The Times-Standard updated their website with a giant headline this afternoon with news of a possible Grand Jury convening in the case of police shooting victim Cheri Lyn Moore.
But this sentence is a total crack-up:
District Attorney Paul Gallegos confirmed today that such a move is under consideration, perhaps within a month.
So, he confirmed that maybe it’s possible that a Grand Jury could potentially get the case.
Glad we got that straight.
October 11, 2007 at 5:04 pm
You can read the sentence two ways. One – he will make the decision in a month or Two – the Grand Jury will enpanel in a month. Poor reporting either way.
October 11, 2007 at 5:24 pm
Of course you know H, that by the T-S running that story, it could delay PG even more. This guy is playing with the House’s money. I can’t think of a better cliche’
-boy
October 11, 2007 at 5:25 pm
“Lightn’n Paul”, they call him.
October 11, 2007 at 5:37 pm
Is a criminal grand jury chosen specifically for a case like this? Or is will it be the regular grand jury?
October 11, 2007 at 5:38 pm
It’ll be a specific Grand Jury.
October 11, 2007 at 5:39 pm
Ha! Good one.
October 11, 2007 at 5:39 pm
Any volunteers?
October 11, 2007 at 6:07 pm
And in a related development, loyal Times-Standard subscribers are required to pay the full $39 annual fee for the E-Edition. Why pay for both? Since I just renewed my annual subscription for about $145, I’m asking myself if I am as big a fool as I feel myself to be. Comments? Opinions?
October 11, 2007 at 6:54 pm
Will the jury be appointed or will they call up from the jury pool?
October 11, 2007 at 7:53 pm
This is a world class cop out….literally.
The DA can’t make a finding without offending his base and in the offing, politics trump fundamental fairness. Pure crap.
So these cops and their families get to be ‘collateral damage’ in a firestorm made up of political advantage and the tragedy of flare gun and absent meds.
This is a deliberate miscarriage of justice…an abuse of authority and a monumental sell out to every one, at every point on the ideological landscape. Even his supporters should be furious with this.
In the end, it will have been a pathetic gesture of the worst sort of political expediency.
The cops will walk.
Paul will walk.
No fingerprints.
In the end, there is no set of facts that will move, in any meaningful way, those who do not let realities get in the way of a good cheap shot…..or a political opportunity.
You’re right boy….it is the house’s money
read….your and mine.
For what?
October 11, 2007 at 7:59 pm
off topic BUT,,,
besides laying off 150 employess in the past couple a months what local triillionaire had to just sell one of his companies in Colorado for much needed cash?
enquiring minds,,,
October 11, 2007 at 9:04 pm
This begs the question, does Mr. Gallegos have a base any more? I suppose that it’s possible, just as President Bush still has a few willfully ignorant supporters.
October 11, 2007 at 9:53 pm
No.
October 11, 2007 at 11:10 pm
Of course he has a base CPR! You’re part of it ! And the two biggies heraldo and Eric (although I think Eric has seen the light). Now that he’s F’ing up by the numbers you want to distance yourself from him. Shame on you all.
October 11, 2007 at 11:16 pm
Way to make educated comments, hcn. Gallegos never had CPR’s vote. I’ve been critical of PG’s lame inaction for months.
Perhaps you should run a candidate who can win.
October 11, 2007 at 11:27 pm
You know who doesn’t have a base?
Cheri Moore
she’s just some poor crazy woman who was judged as being a pain in the ass by the cops estimation’s so they killed her.
They could have subdued her peacefully They just didn’t think her life was worth the hassle.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/10/us/10rampage.html?ex=1349668800&en=b49d3e979720534a&ei=5089&partner=rssyahoo&emc=rss
money quote:
As If being a mass murdering psycho had nothing to do with it…
Reminds me of some of our local trolls anonymous or otherwise who are willing to excuse and rationalize.what appears to be obvious misbehavior, just as long as it’s done by a police officer.
October 11, 2007 at 11:48 pm
I am sure there were excellent reasons to justify why the police had no choice but to off Cheri Moore. It is just nice of Mr. Gallegos to give the Department ample time to come up with that explanation.
robash141 brings up a solid point. Yes, the police could have subdued her easily, but then, you don’t get a confirmed kill when the suspect lives to tell the judge her side of the story. The wild west is returning to the North Coast, with one small exception… the good guys are wearing the black hats, and the “bad guys” get the pine box without ever seeing a judge.
October 12, 2007 at 6:36 am
here we go again, blame the cops. where was county mental health in all of this? robash – questions – how long do you let people wave a flare gun around and threaten people?
if the flare gun goes off and kills a bystander – who is at fault?
October 12, 2007 at 6:57 am
The Cheri Moore shooting is a tragedy for all concerned, including the police officers and the management who made the decision to go in to her apartment at that moment in time. Please do not generalize about cops. Most are family people trying to be of service while making a living.
October 12, 2007 at 9:12 am
I’m not generalizing about the cops so much as I’m commenting on the idiotic mindset of some of those people who will knee-jerkedly defend them no matter what.
October 12, 2007 at 9:15 am
If it wasn’t for the Times-Standard, we wouldn’t know what a flare gun could really do to someone. Remember that video they did where they tested a flare gun on a dummy? It was not pretty.
The T-S, on this one, however, is doing bad reporting. “I’m thinking about considering making a decision.” says the D.A.?
Wow. How truly Sub-Standard.
October 12, 2007 at 9:23 am
It is certainly not setting a very good exapmle for the rest of us citizens if law enforcement officers can completely escape the consequences of thier bad decisions. And it appears that spineless Gallegos is going to allow that to happen
October 12, 2007 at 11:06 am
Gallegos is as non-committal as they come. He’s still deciding, or floating the idea first to see how much flack he gets? Throw the bum out.
October 12, 2007 at 11:16 am
Peace be with you.
“here we go again, blame the cops. where was county mental health in all of this?”
I personally have no problem blaming mental health for Cheri’s death. She was off her meds and it was the county mental health who put her on them in the first place. There was another school shooting the other day and yes the shooter was off his meds just like every other school shooter. And, how’s it help when the county is misdiagnosing people because crazy pays.
Hitler killed a lot of people with his brown-shirts, but he genocided 12 million with his psychiatrists. Mental Health is a quarter of our budget and growing. How you feeling?
love eternal
tad
October 12, 2007 at 12:30 pm
I’m all for the Mental heath people who allowed Cheri Moore to be in that position to be fired and have thier pensions ripped.
However, ultimately, they did not pull the trigger
October 12, 2007 at 12:48 pm
Tad is funny. Keep him around for our amusement. Much better than Heraldo’s jokes.
October 12, 2007 at 1:11 pm
robash141 @ 9:12 AM
Conversely one should comment on the idiotic mindset of those people who would knee-jerkedly CONDEMN (in vitriolic mouth-frothing style no less) the cops no matter what.
October 12, 2007 at 2:32 pm
Actually I’m very pro- police.
I’m for the police doing a good job.
If someone is believes that having ill-trained officers prone to panicky overreactions running around blasting away without accountability makes Eureka safer. Then that person is tragically mistaken.
I’ll give credit where it’s due at least Chief Nielsen doesn’t act like it’s a big imposition to talk to the public
October 12, 2007 at 5:17 pm
Robash nicely depicts a majority of Eurekans as being in favor of ill-trained police officers wildly shooting up the town. I’m so certain that he is correct, I urge him to leave Eureka immediately, to save his life from these wildly-shooting police. We will all breathe easier, once we know he is safe, living far, far away.
October 12, 2007 at 6:27 pm
Majority ,Schmajority you don’t even count yourself..Since you don’t even have the sack to register as anything but anonymous.
I believe the majority of Eurekans, (which obviously does not include you) want their police force to conduct themselves with a modicum of professionalism. Something that has been sorely lacking in recent years under the Douglas/Harpham regime.
October 12, 2007 at 6:42 pm
I really hope you’re just kidding. The Times-Standard showed that a flare gun could put a hole in a piece of particle board with a flannel shirt on it, not a SWAT team member with a full face shield and a bullet-proof vest. That was one of the funniest videos I’ve ever seen.
October 12, 2007 at 7:31 pm
Its amazing to see how thuggish these purported defenders of law and order get when their shallow beliefs are challenged.
It makes me suspicious that they really give a rip about public safety , they are just happy to see people of whom they don’t approve getting blasted down. A very lawless attitude actually
Complete neo brown shirt mentality.
October 12, 2007 at 7:47 pm
My last post was a response to a really crass comment by hcn that got deleted by the blog moderator..
October 12, 2007 at 7:51 pm
Some asshole comments really piss me off…
October 12, 2007 at 11:28 pm
H made hcn click his/her heels together and say “There is no place for this comment”?
-boy
October 12, 2007 at 11:51 pm
Perhaps the Times-Standard experiment was not so ridiculous after all, based on my own experiences with the EPD
When My bike was stolen and my tires were slashed The EPD Officers certainly resembled pieces of inert particle board on that occasion
they certainly weren’t interested in making a report.
When some lunatic was flinging glass bottles at my head from a moving car.while I was riding my bike The EPD was totally uninterested. “Take another route home” was the particle board cut-out officers not very helpful advice.
When I and a group of my friends tried to alert the EPD about some children we believed were being abused, it was us who ended up being the ones who were threatened with arrest.
on that occasion, the EPD resembled giant disembodied particle board anuses.
October 13, 2007 at 8:23 am
So it would seem that Robash141 is one of those cop haters!? Or at least an EPD hater. So those particle board coppers should have called out the FBI, issued an Amber Alert, and started house to house searches to locate Robasses bicycle? Maybe then they would at least be OK? Is that how it goes Robass141? It makes me wonder how many bicylcles are stolen each week, month, or year in Eureka? How many of them are left on the porch unlocked when stolen? How many people have the serial number of their bike when/if it’s stolen? Did Robass141 have the serial number of his bike? Maybe Robass141 should switch to a skateboard? Or heaven forbid get a job and buy a car.
I’d really be interested to hear the rest of the story on the incident you claimed in your last paragraph! Let me get this straight, you expect us to believe that you (and your friends) reported suspected child abuse to the EPD cops and they threatened to arrest you for it ? Right.
October 13, 2007 at 9:23 am
HCN types faster than he thinks.
October 13, 2007 at 9:27 am
Heraldo is obviously not the Good Witch of the North. All of that clicking of the heels, and look! Mr./Mrs. hcn is still here. This person should join Yo in starting that Watch Robash141 blog. There is some major league obsession going on here.
As far as the rest of the story, let’s see how much venom you have once you have been at the business end of a cop’s gun.
-boy
October 13, 2007 at 9:44 am
What does “hcn” stand for? Happy, Crappy Nincompoop?
October 13, 2007 at 10:01 am
It does not exactly inspire a world of confidence in the EPD when as a working person who pays taxes to support the police department and when i need their help they seem totally uninterested in doing their jobs .
It irks me even more when I contrast my own experiances with the ham-fisted treatment of Cheri Moore.
I guess trying to find my stupid little bicycle is much too boring didn’t afford them an opportunity to play keystone kommando.
October 13, 2007 at 10:10 am
You have a warped view of peace officers.
October 13, 2007 at 10:14 am
Peace be with you.
The term “cop hater” is a “newspeak” attempt at labeling the anti-fascists as the “bad guys.” I, who had “peace officers” in my family, don’t hate “law enforcement officers.” Just because they usurped and successfully eliminated “peace officers” with their “night rider’s” style of policing the slaves, doesn’t mean they’re hated as people. It is weird how certain people view disappointment as hate. All I can say is I’m glad I wasn’t raised by those shallow people who believe that if they disapproved of their child’s behavior they would forever hate them.
But, this doesn’t mean that I agree with those who view modern policing as a benevolent State necessity. No, I recognize fascist organizations when I see them. Modern policing is trying to rid the United States of those bothersome freedoms and liberties for “those most likely to influence policy” – the rich and powerful. Those of non-policy influence have numerous opportunities to interact with the body armored, gun toting, egotistical, class bigoted, civil rights violating, trigger happy “police in general” (PIGs), and we know what they are. Those of you who sit in their glass houses and throw stones of oppression at those who get repeatedly stopped an asked for their papers are either clueless or fascist supporters.
Anyone who has ever played the board-game “risk” knows when your opponent starts piling hundreds of tokens on Madagascar they are preparing to attack someone, and likewise when governments start piling millions and millions of dollars in Law Enforcement are also preparing to attack someone. Unfortunately that someone is the poor.
love eternal
tad
October 13, 2007 at 10:15 am
I like your new avator, Rob Ash.
October 13, 2007 at 10:28 am
There was also the time when my meth-freak ex neighbor was stealing my electricity (because his had been disconnected natch…) in order run power saws at 3am, on a weeknight, when I had to be at work at 8am the next morning . Needless to say, this did not make me happy. I called the police. When they arrived they were completely irritable and suspicious towards me because the tweek ,of course, would not answer his door. They shined flashlights in my eyes and gave me the old “what you been smokin’ boy” kind of stuff. At least the tweeker shut up . On this occasion ,the EPD did their job, albeit grudgingly.
October 13, 2007 at 10:50 am
So you begrudge EPD for doing its job. Nice. You’ve smoked one too many doobies.
October 13, 2007 at 10:53 am
Tad once again pulls wacky opinions out of the ether, based on, well, nothing. NO ONE attacks from Madagascar. Look at a map. Learn about the world. If you’re stockpiling Madagascar it’s because it’s your last refuge before you die. Get a clue.
Stop spewing your negative energy around here wrapped around peaceful platitudes. The irony is killing me. One of my moles turns black each time I read one of your posts.
October 13, 2007 at 12:04 pm
I’m all for them doing their jobs It’s when they don’t do thier jobs that I become grudgeful of my tax dollars going to support them.
Given their somewhat lackadaisical by the EPD in response to my earlier concerns. don’t believe that holding public target practice on some mentally ill person in order to show off all of their neato super cool Homeland Security commando swag. Is a good use of my tax dollars.
One officer with some good communication skills would have been worth more than all of those ersatz Johnny Rambos put together.
October 13, 2007 at 3:16 pm
Peace be with you? Love eternal? What are you, Tad, a priest?
If you want to wax religious, write an editorial for the Eureka Reporter. This blog is no place for sanctimonious greetings.
October 13, 2007 at 5:32 pm
So you begrudge EPD for doing its job. Nice. You’ve smoked one too many doobies.
I think if you re-read the comment posted by Robash that prompted this comment above, you will see that the cops begrudged having to come out and knock on a door to investigate a complaint. I realize that there is growing number of people visiting this blog only to see what robash has commented, and then to blast him with un-employed, dope smoking cop hater labels. Is this the new pastime here at the Humboldt Herald?
-boy
October 13, 2007 at 6:31 pm
Some folks just can’t accept the fact that a person may have some legitimate criticisms of the EPDs methods. and public relations. They fetishize the police to such an extent they find even the most measured criticism to be deeply threatening to them personally That is why they have to resort to feeble attempts at character assassination.
October 14, 2007 at 10:03 am
Just as an average citizen, I’d like to see more communication between mental health and law enforcement during events like the Moore case. However, I think the unfortunate reality that influences both the police dept and mental health’s ability to function appropriately boils down to money and individuals to provide services. It seems easier said than done, getting these two entities to work together, as we know law enforcement is largely designed to over-power through force (for the most part) and mental health is about conflict resolution w/out harming the individual. So we have two theories of operation that are conflicting, and that is a problem. Again, just as an average citizen of Eureka I’m supportive of law enforcement, I know their jobs are stressful. This profession also has a high level of alcohol abuse, domestic abuse and divorce rates are substantially larger than other professions. I’m not rationalizing any misbehavior among law enforcement, rather I just wanted to remind the cop haters of the pressures law enforcement has……..it’s a very stressful job to be a police officer, particularly in the city of Eureka where so much petty crime and drug use are common. Basically, law enforcement sees and experiences situations that a normal citizen doesn’t have to deal with, like those dirty fuckers down on the water front destroying our cute little down town area.
October 14, 2007 at 11:01 am
Indeed Police work is a stressful job. I certainly won’t deny that That it is important work, often difficult and sometimes dangerous work.
However there are other lines of work that are difficult and dangerous as well but not nearly as romanticized.
I think the EPD should get paid twice as much as they currently receive in pay and benefits. I would be all for that.
They should also advertise around the country for officers I believe that there would be many highly qualified and competent officers who would jump at the chance to come live in our beautiful town (not a “hell hole” like that idiot Harpham says)
With the 100% raise the current ones would have to reapply for their jobs.
That would weed out some of the deadwood.
Frankly, some of these current officers should probably keep their gun play relegated to shooting beer cans off of fence posts.
Officers who are good at doing their job would be getting a well deserved 100% raise
while the others who:
Are prone to panicky overreactions.
Make bad decisions that result in people being killed
Who are unnecessarily antagonistic towards the public
Who got their jobs for no other reason than nepotism
would be searching for work elsewhere.
Good riddance to them .
October 14, 2007 at 11:12 am
In fairness to the EPD I just recently went down to the police station to retrieve a lost item and the people there were much more courteous and helpful than I can remember my previous encounters with them.
So perhaps Chief Nielsen is making some positive changes. Good luck to him. He has an uphill battle.
October 14, 2007 at 12:44 pm
Peace be with you.
I find it slightly ironic that “carson park ranger” calls peace and love religious. I find it humorous that Mr. Ranger complains about my “greetings” on someone else’s blog (notice my lack of posting on your uniquely named “eureka standard” blog). And I find it extremely acute that mr. ranger could not argue my points only my religion.
My priesthood, or lack there of, is NOYB.
Lastly “peace be with you,” and “love eternal” are not questions. I know not how to provide answers to statements that are obvious on their face.
love eternal
tad
October 14, 2007 at 10:34 pm
I find it “slightly ironic” that Tad says, “Peace be with you.”
I find it “humorous” that Tad says that his “priesthood, or lack there of, is NOYB.”
Unfortunately, I don’t find anything about Tad to be “extremely acute.”