Estelle and Clif on KEET

CLIF Estelle

Smack in the middle of this week’s saturation of candidate forums, second district candidates Estelle Fennell and Clif Clendenen faced off in their first televised debate on KEET Wednesday night on their race to the Board of Supervisors.

The quick version: Estelle effing nailed it in terms of public presentation and comfort level. Her years of radio served her well as she easily discussed a wide variety of county issues with confidence and knowledge.

Not that there weren’t shrieks of horror echoing ’round the Humboldt Herald HQ when she said people have a right to live on their land, “absolutely.” If that’s true, lets throw the General Plan out the window and hand the keys to the assessors office as they distribute parcel numbers willy nilly while the county is chopped into smaller and smaller pieces so people can enjoy their “absolute” rights. At some point down that road you’re no longer living the rural lifestyle.

Perhaps that’s another issue to be solved by our children’s children.

Environmental concerns are right out with the “absolute” approach. Ironically, Estelle ranked environmental health as equally important to property rights and economic issues.

Clif’s position was far more wise: he said people should be able to live on their land “subject to qualifications.” He cited health and safety issues, fire safeness, septic concerns, and the Williamson Act.

Estelle said she is “quite confident” she can work with all sides of the issues “because [she's] been doing it for the last 17 and a half years.” She said she “covered everything,” about the 2nd district during her time as news director of KMUD. “I’m confident I can represent it well,” she said.

Clif and Estelle agree on several issues (Richardson Grove realignment, civilian police review board, inclusion of the Hoopa Tribe in the Humboldt County Assc. of Governments), but they differed on the question: what’s more important when casting a vote — your own conscience or the wishes of constituents? Estelle said her conscience would demand she listen to and represent her constituents. Clif said he would vote his conscience after listening to all sides of the issue. His response is more realistic since it’s impossible to carry out the wishes of all voters, especially in the notoriously diverse 2nd district.

Clif and Estelle are in a difficult — and, in some ways, impossible — situation following the death of incumbent Roger Rodoni. The Times-Standard does a good job of laying out the trouble spots (as does the latest North Coast Journal), including the challenge of running against a well-supported dead man and — by default — his wife, Johanna, who is essentially running for office without participating in the debates.

In her closing statement, Estelle raised an issue that hadn’t come up – the county’s Tooby Ranch settlement. Roger was a strong supporter (or maybe driving force behind) the Tooby Ranch lawsuit, not to mention the other big loser — the Q-tip pepper-spray case.

“Let’s have the county be less lawsuit happy,” Estelle said.

Too bad Johanna can’t be included in a forum on that question.

181 Responses to “Estelle and Clif on KEET”

  1. Anonymous Says:

    it’s now allowed

    Says who? The rule makers. They could merely change the rule or make an exception. They choose not to. This rule ultimately works against Clif and Estelle in terms of public sympathy and support for Johanna in a vacuum of information.

  2. Heraldo Says:

    If the three of them agreed to a forum I’m sure one could be arranged.

  3. Not A Native Says:

    In Mar 2004, Roger received 56.8% of the vote. Sol Steinberg, his closest opponent got 24.8%.

    There is an expression “Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.”
    That works perfectly to Johanna’s benefit now.

    To me, both Estelle and Clif seemed unprepared, amateurish, pandering for votes. That’s not a personal criticism because they actually are amateurs, neither have any experience in public deliberation.

    Estelle almost aleays answered with a lecture(like a news reporter), saying she will make sure everyone’s opinion will be included. Well she hasn’t sat in six hour meetings listening to the lunatic fringe like Rose and Elsebuschs berating the Council. According to her, none of the proposed general plan options are relevant because its all still preliminary. I see, just because she sits in a chair everything goes back to square zero? She sounds like she’s unable to make a decision unless every single person has agreed its OK. Well, political office is about making tough decisions. And that means someone(maybe everyone) will not get what they want.

    Clif stuck out his chin, “I’ll vote my conscience” but he can’t say what his conscience tells him except that he’ll run the county like he runs his small business. Well, he’s just inexperienced in dealing with the many constraints that are peculiar to government as opposed to business. But it’d be great if he would cut his teeth on the Fortuna city council, as a liberal version of Mel Berti. There he could have a real effect on how the Palco mill site will be transformed.

    I’ll predict the June winner will be Roger, not because of sympathy but because the visible alternatives don’t sound so hot and Johanna is hiding behind Roger’s shroud.

  4. Anonymous Says:

    Johanna is hiding behind Roger’s shroud

    Hiding? Really? What candidate forums has Johanna chosen not to attend? Last I checked, the news media was “shrouding” her.

  5. Buck Montaine Says:

    Estelle Fennell would make an excellent county supervisor. She should be elected hands down. Talk to her yourself. She listens.

    Clif inherited his business (unless his mom still owns it) and has to work part time doing carpentry to make the cider works happen at all. Qualified for the office? Sorry, no. Naomi Steinberg and her “prog” friends are backing the wrong candidate.

    Roger was Maxxam’s guy on the board. Johanna would be Sierra Pacific’s gal on the board. I do see some consistency in the idea.

  6. Anonymous Says:

    Johanna was invited to join the debates and declined, as she wrote on Eric’s blog. She has shrouded herself. The TImes-Standard, which hasn’t troubled to cover recent politics in the Second District, was right to say that running as Roger’s shroud with no public comments or positions is a nutso way to run for office. And who will actually serve out the term? Who knows? Who will decide? Er, no thanks, I’ll take the amateurs over the grave robbers.

  7. veryhumbleharold Says:

    Clif and Estelle are totally out of their league compared to Johanna. Just look at Johanna’s resume to see who’s qualified to do the Supervisor job and who are the amateurs trying to rob Roger’s grave by trashing Johanna with such idiocies as “Roger was Maxxam’s guy on the board. Johanna would be Sierra Pacific’s gal on the board. I do see some consistency in the idea.” Buck obviously never knew Roger or he’d never make that statement and doesn’t know Johanna at all. These are independent people unlike Prog activists who think and work as political gangsters.

  8. Nobody But Me Says:

    Let’s be blunt. Rodoni’s ranch was a gift from Pacific Lumber. Rather than be cleared by the FPPC, Rodoni should have been jailed. If that’s not “PL’s guy,” I don’t know what would be.

  9. BEN Says:

    johanna spells her name with a small j? That’s really cool.

  10. Eric Kirk Says:

    Clif and Estelle are totally out of their league compared to Johanna.

    But Johanna is not even a candidate. The governor has made no promise to appoint her for the two year term. And she has made no promise to accept. What is “implied” is irrelevant. You need to know precisely what you are voting for.

  11. Anonymous Says:

    Eric, you’re old fashioned.

  12. Heraldo Says:

    Is there something new fashioned in Johanna running without running?

  13. Anonymous Says:

    The opposite of old fashioned isn’t new fashioned. It’s modern day.

    Eric is complaining about a situation because he hasn’t caught up with modern politics.

  14. Heraldo Says:

    Ah, so Johanna is just a modernist by running without running or clearly stating her intentions. Got it.

  15. Anonymous Says:

    Hey – not a native -

    Can you give me just one date where Rose lectured the board?

    I have either attended or watched every meeting for the last 4 years and never heard her once address any member of the board on any issue.

    Gotta agree both fennel and clendenden looked like dweebs.

  16. Anonymous Says:

    Dude, that’s outright Postmodern, you know, where nothing means anything and we do it anyway, with irony? I gotta say, a Postmodernist representing declining ranchers and bankrupt corporados is ironic indeed. Is it downright iRogic?

  17. Anonymous Says:

    Actually, representing you too. You insult Roger, ignorant of how much he reached out to every voter, even people who hated him.

  18. Anonymous Says:

    He was still the Maxxam guy on the board. Estelle Fennell for Supervisor, YES!

  19. Anonymous Says:

    Let’s talk real substance. Do you claim she’s not an alien? Look at that cranium. If she’s not descended from apes, what then?

  20. Gregg Says:

    FYI, you will be able to listen to all of Cliff Berkowitz’s interview of the candidates via KHUM.com. Right now, Plumley, Vevoda, and Smith are available on-line. Lovelace and Pitino were interviewed this morning and should be posted soon.

  21. Eric Kirk Says:

    Ahh. The Rodoni campaign is an expression of transformative hermaneutics. Okay, I can buy that. But is it an expression of differential topology or homology? I suspect it does not yet represent a true Kuhnian paradigm shift.

  22. Anonymous Says:

    Big words make my brain hurt.

  23. Anonymous Says:

    9:12, Roger didn’t reach out to people who didn’t like him. He resented them, and got even with them, while pal-ing around with cartoon extremists (like a good Postmodernist, now that I think about it).

    Roger lied to folks not like him as casually as he whined about Bonnie Neely. This is why we’re so curious what Johanna’s like. If she’s like him (and that’s all she’s said), forget it.

  24. Not a Native Says:

    OK anon 8:58,

    You caught me, I was taking a little “poetic license”. That’s a fancy word for exaggerating. Lots of people get up in the faces of the BOS and rant. I just don’t know many of them by name, so I used a generic ranter, our own beloved Rose.

  25. Anonymous Says:

    Yeah, that’s why he set up an office in Garberville and sat there and listened to people who came in to gripe every week… because he resented them. He made himself accessible to people he resented. Suuuuure.

    Step outside your circle of hate for once.

  26. Heraldo Says:

    Clendenen supporters threatened according to Eric Kirk. He said:

    Several Fortuna businesses which had put up Clif Clendenen signs were threatened with boycotts from Rodoni supporters and have taken them down. This is a replay of last fall’s Harbor Commissioner campaign. Please go out of your way to support the businesses who are braving these threats.

  27. Anonymous Says:

    Well, that goes without saying. Fortuna the Hateful City.

  28. Chris Crawford Says:

    Other than hearing Estelle on the radio occasionally, this was the first time I saw either candidate in a debate. Neither did a very good job. Estelle seemed to have a hard time making it through her opening statement and Clif looked extremely uncomfortable.

    The reality is that too few people view these debates (more’s the pity). Other than their current staunch supporters, I doubt they swayed many new votes.

  29. Anonymous Says:

    Oh, and I mirror the first comment on Eric’s blog. Strong claims require strong evidence. So far… no evidence at all. Just because we know Fortuna to be filled with hateful bigots, we willingly believe this type of rumor. Still, I’d like to see the evidence.

  30. Anonymous Says:

    H, you’d do us all a big favor by posting an article about the heat. It would save me from looking up Fred’s URL to complain there.

  31. Heraldo Says:

    The heat on the street is a reflection of the election. Heh.

  32. Carol Says:

    There are signs for all 3 candidates in downtown Fortuna.

  33. Heraldo Says:

    What have you heard about the alleged intimidation, Carol?

  34. Carol Says:

    Not a word, except on this thread.

  35. Anonymous Says:

    11:09, did you ever go to Roger’s Garberville office where he “made himself accessible”? There was usually no one there. Know why? Because he didn’t listen to anyone who went there, and people stopped wasting their time. I don’t wish to speak ill of the dead, but this sudden sanctification makes me ill.

  36. Carol Says:

    One business on North Main Street has a Rodoni sign and a Clif sign. We went out to Bridgeville last week for a business meeting, and saw some Clif and Rodoni signs. We went through Redway out towards Whitethorn for Estelle’s campaign event last Saturday and saw mostly Estelle signs with a few Clif signs and only one Rodoni sign. Have not been through Rio Dell, although I know some Estelle supporters there.

  37. Carol Says:

    BTW, we do not have any signs on our office block. In our office, there is at least one supporter for each candidate, so we agreed not to put up any signs. Bumper stickers are left up to the individual. We pretty much agreed to keep politics out of the office, when a former building tenant brought in life-size image of Ahnold during the recall election. Greg handed it back to her and told her to keep politics out of the office, especially since some of us find (found) Ahnold offensive, especially me. Yuck! No life-size Ahnold cut-outs for me! No sir!

  38. Greg Says:

    I have never met a candidate who would approve of intimidating people or tearing down signs. Sometimes zealous supporters go overboard or simple-minded vandals get involved.

    Eventually, people vote for the individual, not for endorsers, not against vandals or bullies, but for the best candidate in their own opinion.

    Our business office has been in Fortuna for ten year or so. We shop here a lot and two of our kids have gone to school here. The culture is friendly, if sometimes narrow-minded and insular in nature.

    Roger was my second choice in this race. Estelle Fennell, however, has always been my first choice. Clif’s campaign blew it with me by trying to anoint one and only one candidate to run against Roger. Not only is that practice anti-democratic, they picked the wrong candidate.

    The best candidate is not Rob or Arnold or Red or Joe’s candidate. It’s not Mel or Bill or Kaitlin or Barbara’s candidate, either. The “kingmakers” in this race need to be the voters.

    Go, Estelle!

  39. Anonymous Says:

    did you ever go to Roger’s Garberville office where he “made himself accessible”?

    Yes I did. Lying about a dead man isn’t cool.

  40. Eric Kirk Says:

    Greg – there was nothing “undemocratic” about the way “the campaign” chose Clif. Clif chose us actually. We were an ad hoc group of Sohum activists who wanted to present a reasonable challenge to Rodoni. We weren’t offering “anointment” to anybody. We were offering only our own support.

    I was out of town when it happened, but at some point the group interviewed different candidates. They had each candidate answer the questions to a survey the group had conducted. The majority of the group liked Clif’s responses better. I wasn’t completely sold on him myself until I met him in December.

    There are a lot of rumors about a “cartel” which somehow tried to undemocratically influence the election. But all we offer is what Estelle’s and Roger’s supporters offer – our support and volunteer time.

    Really, if you prefer Estelle to Clif, that’s perfectly fine. There are reasons to support Estelle. But please don’t conjure up a conspiracy around Clif. It’s really very straightforward.

  41. Eric Kirk Says:

    And if anybody wants the story about the signs and the businesses who took them down, contact Clif’s campaign directly.

  42. Anonymous Says:

    Why Eric, are the names secret? This story is getting fishier and fishier. I don’t believe it.

  43. Anonymous Says:

    I’m sure John Campbell had something to do with it

  44. Eric Kirk Says:

    Why Eric, are the names secret?

    Which names? The names of the people who threatened a boycott? Well, they haven’t sent me their business cards. Is that part of the normal procedure?

  45. Anonymous Says:

    Eric, which names? How about any name of a person or business affected by the claim you made? You know, it’s called PROOF.

  46. Eric Kirk Says:

    I just spoke to Clif who really hadn’t intended to make a big deal of this, at least not until he had more details. I personally believe that it’s something that needs to be fleshed out immediately so that it doesn’t happen again, but he just wants to stay focused on his campaign and perhaps discuss the matter in community fashion at a later time.

    Apologies to the campaign for jumping the gun, but this to me is a very serious matter.

  47. Anonymous Says:

    Case closed.

  48. Heraldo Says:

    Hardly.

  49. Eric Kirk Says:

    Eric, which names? How about any name of a person or business affected by the claim you made? You know, it’s called PROOF.

    That information I did have, but can you guess why I wouldn’t provide it?

  50. Anonymous Says:

    Yes I can guess, but then I would have to question someone’s integrity.

  51. Anonymous Says:

    Bottom line, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Surely these supposed victims would talk to the Times-Standard off-the-record, assuming they can substantiate a good reason for remaining anonymous.

    I mean, threats from Rodoni supporters? If there were threats made, go report ‘em to the police. Come on! Bring the supposed scum out into the light of day if the scum really exists.

  52. Eric Kirk Says:

    Why would the police become involved? There’s nothing illegal about boycotts, nor threats thereof. I just find it despicable to threaten somebody’s livelihood over a campaign sign.

    Anyway, I’ll let Clif handle the matter his way. He knows Fortuna better than I.

  53. Anonymous Says:

    Ohh, so not a threat. You meant a boycott.

    Pshaw, who cares? I boycott businesses whenever they put up a political sign I disagree with. That’s a given if you’re going to align your business with a political campaign.

    Why, exactly, would a business owner be afraid to name names?

  54. Steve Lewis Says:

    How does Clif’s campaign square itself with Bear River tribal members when their most prominent advocate, at least publicly, Eric Kirk along with Hank Sims, is ridiculing their tribal efforts to regain ancestral lands on Eric’s blog?

    I guess they do it by taking campaign money from an outside tribe and thumbing their noses at Bear River Band of Rohnerville Rancheria tribal members who Tribe has their largest community housing in Fortuna.

  55. Steve Lewis Says:

    On Rohnerville Road, close to their former Rohnerville Rancheria site.

  56. Full Circle Says:

    Now that’s funny,

    I remember shortly after Roger died that your ever-pompous correspondent “Not a Native” was gleefully ridiculing the idea that anyone would ever vote for a dead man, and opining confidently that this would never turn out like that Mel Carnahan U.S. Senate race where the widow ended up winning the dead man’s seat after a promise by the governor to appoint her if her late husband was elected posthumously.

    And now this race is headed in exactly that direction, and now that this possibility is part of the conventional wisdom, “Not a Native” has finally hopped on the Rodoni bandwagon, predicting a victory for the Rodoni name and dumping on the other two candidates with usual snide tone and vacuous analysis.

    “Not a Native,” your credibility is fast approaching zero.

  57. Balderdash Says:

    “Not that there weren’t shrieks of horror echoing ’round the Humboldt Herald HQ when she said people have a right to live on their land,’“absolutely.’ If that’s true, lets throw the General Plan out the window and hand the keys to the assessors office as they distribute parcel numbers willy nilly while the county is chopped into smaller and smaller pieces so people can enjoy their ‘absolute’ rights. At some point down that road you’re no longer living the rural lifestyle.
    Perhaps that’s another issue to be solved by our children’s children. Environmental concerns are right out with the ‘absolute’ approach. Ironically, Estelle ranked environmental health as equally important to property rights and economic issues. Clif’s position was far more wise: he said people should be able to live on their land ’subject to qualifications.’ He cited health and safety issues, fire safeness, septic concerns, and the Williamson Act.”

    I think you overreacted – big-time – to the word “absolutely.” I heard her say it, too, but to me it just sounded like it was used loosely, like the word “certainly” or “definitely” is. As in: “would you agree that it is wrong to kill people?” “Yes, definitely” or “Yes, certainly” or “Yes, absolutely.”

    Does the person saying “yes, absolutely” really mean that there is never a case where it is not wrong to kill someone, not even self-defense? No, they would probably be using the phrase “yes, absolutely” in the common usage where it just means “yes, (and I really mean it and want to emphazise the yes).”

    So I think you kind of latched onto that one word and really spun a lot of meaning out of it that wasn’t intended, and I’m guessing it wasn’t interpreted that way by most folks either. By the way, on Eric’s blog he sumarized the two candidates opinions on that issue like this:

    “Estelle says that an owner has the right to build on land (it was a dumb question). Clif agrees. Both agreed that there should be qualifications and restrictions. Clif cites Williamson Act as valid to preserve ag land.”

    http://redwoodreality.blogspot.com/

    And Eric’s openly a Clendenen supporter, but he still didn’t interpret Estelle’s remarks the way you did.

    I guess you missed that part about “both agreed that there should be qualiications and restrictions.”

    By the way, if you actually want to know if Estelle really believes in “absolute” property rights, with no environmental restrictions or regulations whatsoever, you could call her up and ask her. I suspect you already know the answer – that this isn’t her position at all, and that you opportunistically took one word and spun it into a weird scenario in which Estelle wants to end all environmental regulation, zoning, etc. C’mon, you know better than that.

    But if you’d rather just raise the (bogus) questions like Stephen Lewis was doing about Clif’s empolyment practices, without simply getting the facts by at least calling the candidate or their campaign, you’re free to do that. But if so, you deserve the same level of credibility as Mr. Lewis. I doubt you want to keep that kind of company.

  58. Not A Native Says:

    Full Circle, if you kept to one psudonym, YOU might be credible.

    But I’m very complimented that you remember my comments and developed a grudge against me. Thanks for caring so much. I’ll surely be rewarded in heaven.

    People aren’t voting for a dead man, they think they are voting for a live woman.

    If Johanna hadn’t chosen to succeed Roger and a known libertarian/conservative was appointed by Arnold, they’d be voting for that person. If a Democrat were Governor, things would be very different. In that event Johanna would have gotten qualified as a write in, and run on her merits.

    So, I still think I was right in the principle that people don’t vote for dead people.

    I’m predicting Roger’s name will win ONLY if the people who want change in SoHum don’t push the bowl away, get off their butts, and go to the polls and get their friends to go too. They didn’t for the Harbor District race and Carlos lost as a result. So I’m assuming they won’t now.

    But honestly, I don’t understand the politics of the second district. Roger did pretty well in SoHum in 2004, but didn’t get a majority there.

  59. Full Circle Says:

    There’s no grudge, just calling you on your 180 degree change in opinion.

    “But honestly, I don’t understand the politics of the second district.”

    Well, at least we can agree on that!

  60. Anonymous Says:

    What is Steve’s relationship to Bear River? What’s the story behind that plan? It’s a bizarre plan, so what exactly is up with the rancheria?

  61. Not A Native Says:

    I don’t know how relevant it is to the topic of the politics of Humboldt, but the TS published a letter on 4/24 from a homeless person in Eureka, about the poor reception he received.

    http://www.times-standard.com/opinion/ci_9036819

    There was one commenter on the TS blog who seemed to me to characterize Humboldt’s ethos. I was impressed. And the misspellings perfectly illustrate the commenter’s points:

    Eurekoid
    Altenburg, MO Reply »
    #27 Friday Apr 25
    is it just me or does the time standard publish alot of stupid “editorials” that serv to do nothing except create divisions or foster more of a cultural divide in humboldt. It seems like all this newspaper servs as sometimes is a platform for people to talk shit about hippis or rednecks. Aint it time we stoped this type of crap and realize that all of us in humboldt are one people and many of us are hippie rednecks and redneck hippies. As for the homeless issue i think its obvious the county has a problem and hasnt done much to change it. Maybe we should put a sign below the “humboldt county line” sign that informs transcients passing thru to either contribute or move-on. This county is for a ruffer breed of people who can sustain their own existance and know how to work hard. If your looking for handouts try venice beach or santa cruz, berkely. Humboldt is just some rural land and we cannot provide free public services to a growing population of transcients.

  62. Anonymous Says:

    Have a hard time believing a letter writer complaining that the “homeless food” puts him to sleep. Look to diabetes before conspiracy.

  63. Steve Lewis Says:

    It’s always telling when political issues are deflected by trying to kill the messenger. Slandering me doesn’t do anything to take away the question I raised about one of Clif’s main mouthpieces joining Hank Sims in racist mockery of Bear River tribal members’ Heartlands Project. Racist attitudes against Native Americans perhaps that you are not even aware of are the reason why you all are not condemning Clif right off the bat for allowing Eric to represent him.

    We can’t have a Supervisor in the 2nd District who does not respect his own Native American constituents. Bear River’s largest tribal community is in Fortuna, Clif’s home town. He should know better and so should all of you dissing Bear River’s Heartlands Project.

  64. Jane Doe Says:

    Everyone has a right to boycott businesses which support candidates they oppose. It’s like “shopping for a better world.” When you patronize businesses whose politics you disdain you are helping their cause. I won’t shop in any businesses which benefit Arkley because of his political contributions to candidates and issues I don’t support. I don’t, of course, go in and threaten the store owners.

    Why does Steve have to poop in every thread about his Heartlands Project, calling it the Bear Rivert Project when the tribe doesn’t support it? He has maybe a couple of members who buy into his delusion, but no more.

  65. Carol Says:

    Or, one can patronize businesses that support their candidate. I noticed that Garcia’s flower shop in Fortuna has an Estelle sign in their window. I am going to patronize them and buy flowers from them.

    We drove out Highway 36 yesterday to take an afternoon walk along the Van Duzen River. There were some big signs for Estelle in Carlotta, as well some signs for Clif and Roger.

    Our yard sign for Jimmy Smith was photographed for a TV ad last weekend. Look for it if you get local TV. We don’t. The photographer took a picture of the sign with the Eel River estuary and the mountains behind Ferndale. There should be a cow or two.

    I enjoy driving around and seeing the signs. It means that people care about politics and democracy.

  66. "Henchman of Justice" Says:

    Or, do signs just mean that political candidates (not people in general) take care in the hope of their potential political victory. Further, take a look at the signs and try, I mean really try, to decipher WHO is accepting the signs or allowing the signs. I doubt that the givers and takers of signs would be anything less than the truly involved and interested folks who are politically minded. A better indicator of caring about politics and democracy would be, “how many people cumulatively vote?” Until voters get over the 80% range (80% of registered voters voted), I will hold off on aspirations of people in general (not the particularly involved) caring about politics and democracy.

    Afterall, if people truly cared about democracy, Iraq would not be an ongoing failure; gay marriage would never have been an issue; our constitution would not be so attacked and beriddled by political fraud; there would not be a need for more inappropriate taxation, especially for funding education; there would not be a huge national debt and traditional annual trade deficits; there would not be terrible roads and infrastructure; the costs of a home would not be overinflated; Oh, there is so much more because the battle of wants versus needs has increased because of a lack of fiscal monetary discipline by society in controlling it’s spending habits, including elected officials.

    Jeffrey Lytle
    McKinleyville – 5th District

  67. "Henchman of Justice" Says:

    Both candidates’ closing statements could have been better. Cliff’s seemed very stop ‘n’ go.

    Jeffrey Lytle
    McKinleyville – 5th District

  68. Anonymous Says:

    1) Roger lied to folks as casually as whining about Neely? Now thats funny – first is because never heard Roger lie about anything; second because far from whining he would simply tell bon bon NO and she would scream at all the support staff for weeks when she didn’t get her way.

    2) Caught ya distorting again Not a Native – thanks coming clean. BTW, don’t think that posting factual information can qualify anyone as a ranter.

    3) and Greg – Clif’s campaign blew it with you for trying to anoint the one and only person to run against Roger? You would know after the last couple of elections and all the crap with the HCDCC wouldn’t you. Well, at least you may realize how badly you people acted in 2006. Lost my support for the local committee though.

    4) Eric – everyone knows that Clif is bonnies boy – quit trying to spin it differently. She anointed him cause she was tired of being called out by Rodoni. Sent Megen V down to structure things for him. Hell, it is common knowledge (Daniel Minz article) and per at least one supervisor her complicity in this has caused all hell with staff and other supes.

    5) And as for boycotting – do it all the time with businesses. Quit whining eric.

  69. "Henchman of Justice" Says:

    Bonnie Neely would not be endorsing any supervisorial candidate unless she realised her tangled web of structure and power are threatened. Who would have thought that elections are threatening?

    Jeffrey Lytle
    McKinleyville – 5th District

  70. "Henchman of Justice" Says:

    Heraldo, how come my picture changed. I did not initiate the action of replacing. What would you recommend in getting my old picture back?

    Jeffrey Lytle
    McKinleyville – 5th District

  71. Heraldo Says:

    According to Tad, you have to be logged into your WordPress account.

  72. Heraldo Says:

    Bonnie Neely would not be endorsing any supervisorial candidate unless she realised her tangled web of structure and power are threatened.

    Is Bonnie held to a different standard than the other supes?

  73. "Henchman of Justice" Says:

    Thanks H and Tad, must be a new thing.

    As far as Bonnie, it is not so much about standards because the standards should be basic standards for all supes. However, Bonnie is shrewd and cunning and has proven to be overly active in less than appropriate areas while in distress for power and control. If Bonnie is held to a different standard, then it is herself doing the holding.

    Jeffrey Lytle
    McKinleyville – 5th District

  74. Jane Doe Says:

    I have seen lots of properties with campaign signs from opposing candidates. You can’t necessarily tell who a person supports by the campaign signs sometimes. However, when you do know a person’s political stance and read about all the money they give to far right wing ideologies, spending your money in their establishment is helping to finance those ideologies. I won’t even shop at the Eureka Co-Op today because Arkley gets a percentage and rent.

    Bonnie has just as much right to support a candidate as Geist does. Why isn’t anyone complaining about Geist? Because they are hypocritical a-holes.

  75. Eric Kirk Says:

    4) Eric – everyone knows that Clif is bonnies boy – quit trying to spin it differently. She anointed him cause she was tired of being called out by Rodoni. Sent Megen V down to structure things for him. Hell, it is common knowledge (Daniel Minz article) and per at least one supervisor her complicity in this has caused all hell with staff and other supes.

    One thing about Humboldt County is the abundance of imagination. Ever consider writing a political novel? Maybe you’ll be the new Tom Clancy.

  76. Steve Lewis Says:

    Come on, Johanna! 50%+1 or Bust!

    We can do it!

    We can STOP the HIDEOUS INVASION OF PROGS FROM HELL. We can STOP THE OUTER DARKNESSES OF ARCATA and SoHum invading our beloved towns of Fortuna, Carlotta, Rio Dell, Scotia and Hydesville.

    Vote for Johanna in June!

  77. "Henchman of Justice" Says:

    Well, Geist has not had her nose in every little thing in the county for nearly 5 terms. Further, Geist is much more professional than Neely could ever dream of being. Bonnie is an interupter and damn good at it. If Jill was the 5 Star General and Bonnie was the private First Class, Bonnie would act and do as if the roles were reversed.

    In addition (on hypocracy), I do not think it is proper for any incumbent to endorse a possible colleague. This, I feel imho, sets an agenda as to who is favored or pre-selected by elected officials to help run the jurisdiction, rather than letting the people decide for themselves without biased and partial political positioning which encourages the changes in voters’ decisions. Name recognition for the voters becomes transferred from the incumbents in power to the incumbent’s choices to take over the “up for grabs” supervisorial position.

    Voters need to be more intelligient on the Public Relations side of Politics. It is hard to believe that people care about politics and democracy when the % of voter turn-out is too low and all of the unnecessary problems this country is facing are increasing. People, as a whole, do not care about politics or democracy; otherwise, voters would not wince at doing the right thing every single election and non-voters would not wince at actually participating by voting.

    Jeffrey Lytle
    McKinleyville – 5th District

  78. 2nd district native Says:

    Don’t assume that if Roger gets 50% + 1 that Joanna will be selected. Who wrote one of the letters for Joanna as interim to bolster the chance that the Gov. will appoint—-Rob Arkely…..the opportunity for Rob to finally have a supervisor that he would control could be as close as a phone call to the Gov. Who might that be????? None other than the individual Rob strongly supported in the supervisor election against Neely………. Nancy Flemming, who is the city manager of Rio Dell and can establish residency in time. Think about it folks!!!

  79. Anonymous Says:

    Keep dreamin dude. Your posts get funnier with each toke.

  80. Captain Buhne Says:

    “what’s more important when casting a vote — your own conscious or the wishes of constituents? Estelle said her conscious would demand she listen to and represent her constituents. Clif said he would vote his conscious…”

    The word is *conscience*.

  81. Heraldo Says:

    Doh!

  82. Anonymous Says:

    allergies. no biggie.

  83. Carol Says:

    Lost my support for the local committee though

    It is OK. We do not miss you.

  84. Steve Lewis Says:

    Carol, you and Greg and all HCDCC members who think like you do should step down and give the local Democratic Party back to its constituents–all of them. Not just Progressive Democrats. You are alienating a great many Democrats by turning the HCDCC into another Green Prog political organ instead of its traditional responsibility to represent ALL democrats, all the people, in fact, not just elites but working class Democrats, poor Democrats, mainstream Democrats.

    You two are failing miserably to do that and your attitude shows why. Elitist.

  85. Greg Says:

    Stephen, my term is up July 1. Some fine people are running for HCDCC and it will, as always, continue to change. We will continue to support the party, but moving on so others can participate makes sense.

    To me a “progressive” is anyone who believes government can and should work for the public interest. I guess that makes me a progressive. Carol thinks of herself as a “liberal democrat”. I have been called a “liberal libertarian Democrat” and a “moderate”. It’s all just labels–names.

    The Democratic Party is the best hope for democracy, and even the broken representative-democracy we live in today is better than no democracy at all. Your vote counts just as much as mine does. That’s the way it should be, anyway.

    Elitist? No, that is not correct. Maybe a little deaf sometimes, or distracted, or stretched to thin. HCDCC isn’t elitist. Heck, they welcomed me.

    …”traditional responsibility to represent ALL Democrats, not just elites” ? After attending a couple of state conventions, I can assure you it is impossible to represent ALL Democrats. We work by majority rule according to publicly debated and available party rules.

    It is a beautiful day and I am going to mow the back yard. Hope that’s not too elitist. Enjoy your day.

  86. Steve Lewis Says:

    Sorry, Greg, this statement of your partner, Carol, is most definitely elitist and inexcusable in a Democratic Party representative.

    “Lost my support for the local committee though

    It is OK. We do not miss you.”

  87. boymstlikely2 Says:

    As I continue to read this thread, the only Elitist here is Steve Lewis. How does one become an Elitist Whiner?

    -boy

  88. Anonymous Says:

    Aww, can’t we talk about Estelle and Clif?

  89. Love this neighborhood Says:

    So I was at a nice garden party this afternoon and grannies and babies and neighbors were all hanging around the wading pool under the liveoak hoarding shade, eating too much, and kibbitzing and someone asks–what’s a rational decision on the second district election?, and I said “Don’t vote for a dead guy!” and everyone just about fell over laughing and it wasn’t the non-alcoholic punch.

    Who in their right minds would vote for a dead guy or anyone wrapped so heavily in a shroud so we can’t tell who they are?

    So someone else asks, “What’s the biggest issue?” and after much shouting at each other and the kids dumping water balloons on each other until it was boring and more fun to drench us grown-ups, we decided the biggest is the General Plan Update and from there we finally agreed the general plan because half of us at that party have doctors or relatives or other things that take us to Santa Rosa and it’s hell every time we go there and we love living in a rural area where we know our neighbors and can yell at each others’ kids who love us we and are so damn lucky we aren’t crushed by the sprawl Rodoni (late and living) and Hum CPR would love to bring here.

    Then we grannies and young parents and middle aged Auntie Mames (who were planning June weddings, hurrary!) talked about the Two Live Ones and how we all love Estelle but she hasn’t read the plan update and Clif has. We love Estelle, but she lost a lot of votes admitting she hasn’t read the general plan update. It’s too big–we need her to be educated and taking a stand now, so we can make an educated choice on who will best take that forward.

    So, from a small straw poll on a Saturday afternoon, the naked babies, doting grannies, and their loving queer neighbors are for Clif.

    Well, maybe not the naked babies. But the future is about them.

  90. Anonymous Says:

    I bet a LOT of people vote for the dead guy, particularly if they’re nonplussed by the living candidates.

  91. Anonymous Says:

    7:46, Estelle is the one candidate who puts the General Plan update as the county’s #1 priority. (Clif says it’s the “economy”). This is well documented. Please inform your neighbors that, based on mutual priorities, they should vote for Estelle Fennell.

    Thanks.

  92. plop Says:

    Stephen, how does one “miss” an anonymous person in the first place?

  93. Anonymous Says:

    Sorry 9:08, the general plan is some document. The economy is food on my plate. Go Clif!

  94. Heraldo Says:

    Thanks for your insight into a Saturday afternoon picnic in the 2nd District, 7:46. I agree with the result of your straw poll and the reasons behind it.

  95. Anonymous Says:

    I’m shocked, simply shocked at your agreement!

  96. Jane Doe Says:

    It is a bit shocking that a candidate who puts the general plan update as the number one priority hasn’t bothered to read it.

  97. Steve Lewis Says:

    plop, how does one miss anon’s five points is perhaps the question you should be asking yourself. Carol just dismissed his concerns out of hand, as if he didn’t count for anything and that was my point. So add another point you missed. That’s six. Seven, and they put you back in the stable, plop.

  98. fizz Says:

    Carol is funny, telling an anonymous person they weren’t missed!

    Oh, was that you, Steven?

    You weren’t missed, either.

  99. John Doe Says:

    Jane darling, the General Plan update is a work in progress spanning something like seventeen chapters. It’s not done yet, thus it cannot be read yet.

    Spinnin’ for Clif?

    Go, Estelle! Honestly.

  100. Anonymous Says:

    Oooh, here that? The general plan that is in progress must be written in a secret language that no one, not even Estelle, can decode! Read what you write. You’re very funny.

    Funny, Lovelace is a veritable expert about this document that no one can read. Maybe Estelle should get up to speed before she runs for office.

  101. Anonymous Says:

    Arg. Here = hear. At least I didn’t include a Freudian slip.

  102. Anonymous Says:

    And the attacks continue. Clif’s people are running a god-awful campaign, trying to diss on Estelle Fennell. Seems like a good way to disgust people right back into the arms of the Republican/Maxxam ‘necks.

    Funny, the same tactic is at play on the national level. Republicans love it when their opponents fight. It’s their best shot at winning: divide and conquer.

    Until June 3 Clendenen’s supporters should be cheering for Estelle Fennell and vice-versa. They should also be asking (publicly? what a concept) why in the world the voters of the 2nd District would want a Republican party official as county supervisor. Has no one noticed the past seven years?

    The left can be SO self-destructive. Idealism and invective. What a combination.

  103. Heraldo Says:

    Perhaps the residents of the Southern part of the 2nd District should get off their butts and vote if they don’t want to lose the race to a dead man.

    Discussion of the candidates comments as to the General Plan is completely appropriate. It’s not personal but you’re free to take it as an “attack” if you want to.

  104. Anonymous Says:

    Wow, so if I suggest a candidate familiarize herself with the general plan update, that makes me part of Clif’s camp? I don’t live in the district and have never met the three candidates, but apparently I’ve been volunteering in Clif’s camp all along. Well, new surprises every day in my life. I’m so blessed.

  105. Steve Lewis Says:

    Perhaps, Heraldo, if you don’t live in the 2nd District, it is you who should butt out of 2nd District politics. Stick with own turf and leave us alone to make our own decisions thank you very much. We don’t need outside manipulators like you and your gang trying to pave the way for the Prog Invasion from Job-Loss Hell.

  106. mresquan Says:

    Steven,so you’re saying that the 2nd district supervisor shouldn’t vote on anything that doesn’t have to do with the 2nd district and should stay out of business solely involving the other districts?

  107. Heraldo Says:

    Prog Invasion from Job-Loss Hell

    We’ve been down this road before:

    In 2004, the Arcata zip code (95521) was home to 53 manufacturing firms, over one-third of the county’s total. Of those 53 firms, 26 had more than 10 employees, and six had over 50 employees. Among the types of manufacturers represented: fabricated metal, rubber products, glassware, construction machinery, furniture, clothing, appliances, electrical fixtures, musical instruments and many others…

    Now, how many manufacturing firms were in the Eureka (95501) zip code? Twenty-seven — just about exactly half, in a city twice Arcata’s size…

    And don’t even talk to me about Fortuna (nine firms total, about a sixth of Arcata’s) or McKinleyville (eight). Chump change for two Arcata-sized towns

  108. mresquan Says:

    It’s clearly the fault of the Arcata minded progs in Rio Dell that have prevented any advancement of economic vitality there.

  109. Anonymous Says:

    Location alone sinks Rio Dell. To situate a factory in the middle of no where, why, you’d have to build a company town. *cough*

    Unless you attract a major manufacturer to the area, small manufacturing jobs will remain located around Humboldt Bay for the pure convenience and practicality of it. Public transit as it exists today is a joke, and express buses won’t work except perhaps for the likes of HSU and CR. Now more than ever, people need to live near where they work.

  110. Anonymous Says:

    In the spirit of modern politics, why don’t we put our candidates in a blind trust or a lock box until after the elections are over. Then whoever our masters say we have elected can take the oath of office and begin to serve their terms.

  111. Anonymous Says:

    My decades-long admiration for Clif is unchanged by Greg’s haughty dismissal of Clif. In fact, Greg’s condescension toward Clif confirms my decades-long distrust of Greg.

  112. Steve Lewis Says:

    It is true that Progs have actively campaigned against economic progress in the 2nd District. Our Palco Community Corporation received zero support from Progs and it is economic democracy in action all the way through.

    So, hypocrites, when you Arcata/SoHum Progs stop attacking people in the 2nd District, even ones living in Rio Dell, who are trying to help diversify their community economy WITHOUT the help of HSU right next door providing the necessary economic key industry that makes all of Arcata’s economy bloom. When you Progs stop attacking us in our communities and our economic mainstay engine which was Palco, then maybe we too could be crowing now with a vitalized economy. You Progs always forget the huge role HSU provides in Arcata’s prosperity as well as the huge role pot provides in SoHum’s prosperity. Take away the school and the dope, you got Rio Dell and Whitethorn.

  113. Steve Lewis Says:

    And Heraldo, do keep your nose in your own District Supervisor race. You will notice I never post on other District Supervisor topics here because it’s none of my business UNTIL whoever the people in that District elect into office. It’s Their business who represents them, not mine, and not yours in the 2nd District. So butt out until whoever wins our District is in office. Then you have a legitimate claim to be heard. Beforehand you are just acting as a political manipulator of other communities’ affairs. But maybe you like that role since you’ve been doing for who knows how many years..

  114. Heraldo Says:

    Clendenen for Supervisor!

  115. Anonymous Says:

    Please Steve, stop telling us what to do and what not to do. You are not God, contrary to what you might think.

  116. Anonymous Says:

    Mr Lytle, when voter turnout is low, that’s just a sign that We the People trust our neighbors to do the right thing in the voting booth.

  117. Anonymous Says:

    I miss the voting booths that had privacy curtains. I’m too embarrassed to do the right thing out there in front of everyone.

  118. Yo... Says:

    As Fred Said…Vote LOCAL CONTROL…

    LMAO…fucking hypocrites…

  119. Heraldo Says:

    As if voicing your opinion has anything to do with Measure T.

    Mucking foron.

  120. Yo... Says:

    Ya, Muck off Meraldo…

  121. Heraldo Says:

    Fou, foo, Fo.

  122. Yo... Says:

    lol

  123. Yo... Says:

    and, you guys are nothing more than a bunch of fucking hypocrites, THAT i do know…

  124. Yo... Says:

    local control

  125. Yo... Says:

    so, stay the fuck out of that district, as our local loony steve lewis suggests…

  126. Heraldo Says:

    Roar.

  127. Yo... Says:

    ohhh very persuasive

  128. Heraldo Says:

    It was more of an impression.

  129. Yo... Says:

    You need to work on your delivery…

  130. Yo... Says:

    hugs…

  131. Heraldo Says:

    You could use some polishing yourself.

  132. Yo... Says:

    tru dat…

  133. Yo... Says:

    H-dawg has her/his ip tracking out tonite…

  134. Heraldo Says:

    What does that mean?

  135. Steve Lewis Says:

    Better watch the multiple posts, Heraldo. Might trigger Word Press’s spam response..oh, I forgot..that only happens to my multiple posts..

  136. Heraldo Says:

    You wish you were that special. But alas, it happens to others.

  137. Anonymous Says:

    When Steve is faced with confusing technology he apparently is prone to conspiracy theories.

    Dude, stop embarrassing yourself. Look around. Learn how WordPress works. Not the Herald. WordPress, the blogging platform. I’m all for helping the new people, but it’s time for you to go be a kiddie somewhere else.

  138. Greg Says:

    6:01, my earlier comment was about an ad hoc committee’s campaign tactics, not about the candidate.

    Clif is a casual acquaintance and we get along fine. As for politics and government: we need good Democrats, and the one in that race is Estelle Fennell.

    I’m haughty? Well, I can’t see without my glasses and I’m deaf in one ear, so I don’t respond very quickly if I’m in a crowd. I don’t feel haughty. Did you mean “hottie”?

    Have a nice week.

  139. Carol Says:

    You are my hottie, Greg!

  140. Anonymous Says:

    It appears Yo might be slightly under the infulence tonight… reminds me of our friend Tim Flemming

    Let’s keep it straight Boys

  141. Jane Doe Says:

    Dearest John, The general plan update has several options, one or parts of each will undoubtedly be adopted. A supervisorial candidate who says the update is the most important issue who hasn’t bothered to read it and can’t give an opinion on it before the election doesn’t sound very promising. Maybe Lovelace can do a bit of tutoring and get Estelle up to speed. FYI, I don’t have a preference between Clendenen and Fennell and don’t live in the 2nd district.

  142. Eric Kirk Says:

    And the attacks continue. Clif’s people are running a god-awful campaign, trying to diss on Estelle Fennell.

    I’m unaware of any negative comments about Estelle coming from Clif’s campaign. Can you be specific?

  143. Anonymous Says:

    Eric, he thinks every anonymous comment that conflicts with his own is written by whatever person or organization he hates the most that would be so devious as to write such evil, evil thoughts. Have you not noticed this trend on blogs?

  144. Tired of the Crap Says:

    Stephen once again reveals his true idiocy by supporting the very people who have done the most to destroy the Native Americans he calls his. Rodoni and his ilk (Anti-Progs) spent decades voting against any help for the Tribes. Good old boys who believed that “the only good injun is a dead injun” and that all “Indians are all drunks and thieves” . The jails used to have more Tribal members than then the numbers warrented.
    So go Stephen help the Rethuglicans and the Rich fat cats in their same old tired game of blame the victim.

  145. Anonymous Says:

    I heard a radio commercial for Johanna today. If she’s unofficially running, why doesn’t whomever is holding the next candidate forum invite her to participate?

  146. Steve Lewis Says:

    Go Johanna! We don’t want Prog liars and naysayers running our 2nd District. We want someone who isn’t afraid to take an independent stand without leaning on a gang of Arcata-SoHum political manipulators.

    See, Tired of Crap, I’m tired of Prog crap that is against the People and that’s why I and all Democrats who believe in transparency in office, who don’t think it’s a good thing to have hidden Prog advisors micro-managing public servants, so I go where the honest candidate is running-Johanna, who needs no pols telling her what to say, what to do.

  147. Anonymous Says:

    Johanna refused to participate in the debates when the League of Women Voters invited her to. She said so rather huffily on Eric’s blog.

    You might think a live candidate would be eager to talk to voters, but in this case channelling apparently works better. Makes me wonder what else we’re missing?

  148. Anonymous Says:

    I heard she was going to be interviewed on KHUM or something…?

  149. Anonymous Says:

    Write in Johanna!

  150. Anonymous Says:

    Umm, no, you need to vote for Roger and hope Arnold appoints Johanna. Write-in campaigns almost never work. If you’re voting that way, vote for the name already on the ballet, Roger.

  151. Eric Kirk Says:

    Roger’s was on the ballet? Hmmm.

    4:22 – she will be interviewed at 8:30 Thursday morning.

  152. Steve Lewis Says:

    Go Johanna!

    50%+1 here we come!

  153. Anonymous Says:

    Can we atleast get a 50%+1 vote to kick Steven off these forums?

  154. Steve Lewis Says:

    But dissing Steve Lewis does zip to stop Johanna. No wonder you Progs are gonna lose. You attack the messenger and forget the message is already delivered.

  155. Anonymous Says:

    I don’t care about the third Clif/Estelle/Johanna race and I still think Steve is bonkers, one scary guy. Please come up with a rationale to disregard my viewpoint too.

  156. Anonymous Says:

    Please vote for Estelle. She has her own voice – she has no shroud, She is alive and kicking and is welcome in all parts of the Second District. Go Estelle!

  157. Anonymous Says:

    What a strange way to express support for someone. Vote for Estelle, she’s not dead!

    Oh My Dear God, Johanna has already won.

  158. Steve Lewis Says:

    Hopefully so. Go Johanna! Progs are toast in the 2nd District!

  159. Anonymous Says:

    If it is a choice between voting for a dead person and a live person, I will choose the living. The other way is weird, and shows no faith in the future.

  160. Eurekev Says:

    Stevie: stop calling yourself a Democrat. You’re not.

    This isn’t like the simple lapel pin approach that works for nearly half the country (and would work great for you). We tend to think about the issues and develop opinions, not just regurgitate slogans we heard on talk radio. We try to develop coherent discussions, and not just try to scream the same crap louder.

    So, you may have registered a certain way as a voter, but you’re no Democrat, just a wierdo.

  161. dwing d. math Says:

    DTS voters are voting with the Democrats these days. That’s good for Estelle.

    2nd District as of 4/4/08:

    DTS 1591
    DEM 6161
    REP 5221
    GRN 515
    AIP 433

    …plus a few others with even less. There are 15,505 total registered voters in the 2nd.

    20% turnout – 3101 votes, 1551 to win outright.

    35% turnout – 5427 votes, 2714 to win outright.

    50% turnout – 7753 votes, 3877 to win outright.

    What kind of turnout can we expect? With a 50% turnout (a high guess), Estelle and Clif only need to get 3877 votes between them, less than 2000 each, for both to make a November runoff.

    In the event of a very low turnout, Clif and Estelle only need to pull around a thousand votes EACH to keep the late Roger from “winning” and go on to November.

  162. Steve Lewis Says:

    EKAKev, you’re just a name-calling scumbag yourself but I wouldn’t stoop so low as to cast a slur on the ecological function of pond scum. Why not, next time you think you know what the words means, “democrat” and “democracy”, you might actually try looking them up. They both refer to “People”. I am one. I don’t think like you do. I don’t have to. I have other Democratic friends who don’t think like you do or me either. Imagine that.

  163. Anonymous Says:

    Yes, the Democratic Party is a VERY big tent…

  164. Eurekev Says:

    Yeah, whatever Steve. You certainly proved my wrong with your Limbaughesque response.

    At least it jarred you out of your little Johanna chant for a minute.

    I call bullshit on your statement about having friends. Do any of these folks know that you are classifying them as such? Could be libel. Read the various comments directed toward you on this blog alone–I don’t think you’ll find any positive or supportive posts.

    Again, you might have registered as a Democrat, but you’re not one. Sorry. It sounds like you really want to call yourself one, but unfortunately it goes against your very nature.

    Are you trying to call yourself a Democrat for some kind of tribal advantage? Does the party label provide you with some kind of authenticity that you are lacking without it?

    If you can’t own up to being a republican due to shame or some career goal, at least go Independent or Libertarian. It’s just too embarrassing to an actual Democrat to have you doing your lame ass routine, and then claiming to be a Democrat. Loudly.

    It’s a big tent alright, but you can’t fit Limbaugh’s fat ass under it, and it won’t hold the folks attached to his ass either.

  165. Steve Lewis Says:

    Sorry, to disappoint you, EKAKev, but I’ve been a registered Democrat for decades. Before that, Peace and Freedom.

    You see, to Democrats like me, you Progs are fakes, phonies, too-bit frauds, trying to capitalize on the Left’s anti-corporate capitalist stance but without presenting the Left’s traditional alternative, economic democracy in the work place. Now local Progs are so entangled in common politics that they no one and nothing going on in the long range strategy dept., no vision of how to create a sustainable economy. I have such a vision and guess what? Who takes me seriously? Progs? No way, they see me as a threat to them and do everything they can to disrespect the people I represented and worked for, Bear River tribal members and Palco workers.

    So when Progressives catch up to me and start supporting real progress in the work force and local economy, then maybe you’ll understand why I can’t join in the half-assed and very hostile Progressive movement in Humboldt County.
    My Republican friends and I share one thing in common. We both want the best for Humboldt County citizens. Progs don’t want this. They are all about power politics and want to rule first and foremost regardless of lacking any sustainable vision.

  166. horse Says:

    shit

  167. Steve Lewis Says:

    is something that falls from a horse’s ass. But tell us, Mr. Ed, how would beloved Berkeley, that model city of Progressive politics and its University of California ever exist Without San FRancisco, Oakland, and the whole Bay Area’s Industrial development? You think these colleges spring from nothing? You think you can create a community around a college without industrial development to anchor the local economy that is much more than college age students and their needs?

    Progs really do need to go back to school and learn basic economics because you guys do not know what the hell you are doing trying to shut down industrial development and normal population growth housing needs. You don’t need to be a Republican to see the folly of trying to recreate Humboldt Berkelies without an industrialize Bay Area to support these specialized communities catering to students and yuppies.

  168. Anonymous Says:

    Progs don’t want this. They are all about power politics and want to rule first and foremost regardless of lacking any sustainable vision.

    Oh no, he found us out! He doesn’t know about the Greys and Insectoids though!

  169. Eurekev Says:

    Yeah. Whatever. It’s not a surprise to me that no one would follow your lead. Who would? I don’t think there are many followers looking for a ranting clown to follow.

    I repeat for the third time: you may be registered that way, but you’re no Democrat. Your latest post makes it clear you agree.

    I could call myself the Emperor of Saskatchewan, but I’d still really be ol’ Eurekev. The Prog.

  170. Steve Lewis Says:

    And you’d still be a lying sack of shimmering pond scum, Proggie because I am a Democrat and a damn liberal one at that. You don’t know me, face it. You just think that because I don’t support you Progs that I can’t be a Democrat. Got news for ya bud. There are THOUSANDS of us Democrats who do not like you Progs in the least because of the harm you are doing to Humboldt County’s working class people, the traditional core of the Democratic Party. I represent their interests–you Progs don’t. You represent yuppies and pot growers as your primary constituency–not Humboldt’s working class. This is why timber workers have repeatedly thanked me for sticking up for them against enviro and Prog political attacks depriving them of work.

    So while I do not get Prog Democratic support, I do get lot’s of support from good solid Democratic peoples who care about the community as a whole and not special interest groups.

  171. Eurekev Says:

    And you know me? Activate brain, Stevie.

    “This is why timber workers have repeatedly thanked me…..”. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Sure, Steve.

    I have apparently stumbled into someone’s messiah fantasy.

    Well, I’ll be watching for this groundswell of enthusiasm…..you know, the repeated gratitude from the timber workers over and over, and the “lot’s of support from good solid Democratic peoples…”. It shouldn’t be hard to miss once the Steve Revolution gets going.

    You made my day! I’ll be chuckling about this for hours.

  172. kateascot Says:

    Steve if you cared about all of us then you would be a truly caring soul who wouldn’t need to out special interests. There is a need for special interests, not to the degree that we see littering the social and political landscape now, but needed to some extent until proper response is given to them. Greed and snobbery is a special interest I would like to see under the microscope of political and social change. We’ve not been able to live in a true democracy or republic, why?

  173. Steve Lewis Says:

    EKA Kev, one of the reasons I was able to keep going for years writing letters protesting enviros misdirecting local environmental protection concern against loggers was periodically receiving praise and encouragement from loggers. They would phone me up or tell me at meetings how much they appreciated someone articulating their concerns. Without their support, without Bear River tribal members support, I don’t think I would have had the fortitude to battle back all these years against yahoo enviros and now their Prog transformers. A really nasty hateful bunch of people who are extremely quick to slander their opponents. Heraldo’s and Eric’s blogs are full of them.

  174. Steve Lewis Says:

    Kateascot, is there a question in your post for me?

  175. Anonymous Says:

    Heraldo’s and Eric’s blogs are full of them.

    Not uh.

  176. kateascot Says:

    Yeah Steve, why can’t we all have our fair share?

  177. Anonymous Says:

    I believe Steve is a closet prog. Why else would he hang out online with progs all day debating them with latent hostility?

    Time to come out Steve. Stop hiding. We’re ready to welcome you with open arms. No need to hide anymore. I’m OK. You’re OK. That there’s what it is!

  178. Steve Lewis Says:

    Aw, shucks, anon, here I was all ready to burn my Progs for Christ t-shirt and you come along offering amnesty. Oh, it’s so kindhearted it almost hurts to think about it or keep from crying tiny tears of of of why am I laughing my head off? Damn! There it goes again rolling under the couch where my potato farm is growing nicely.

    Hey! I will be here when the Day arrives that Progs discover Steve Lewis was the most radically progressive activist ever to hit Humboldt County. No one has topped Palco Community Corporation for being a model of economic democracy for replacing corporate capitalist elites like “Red” Emmerson, the Fisher family, the Beals, the Hurwitzs, even the Murphys. Progressive is what progressive does and so far, all so-called “Progressives” do is attack working class Humboldt citizens by attempting to shut down their major sources of employment. That’s not progressive–that’s retrogression back to domination of the community by wealthier business owners who get a pass like Clendenen if they play political ball with Progs.

  179. Steve Lewis Says:

    I don’t think there is anyone in Humboldt County who can match my communitarian organizing background. I started back in 1968 when I published the first “Communiversity” proposal that led eventually to my joining forces with the person who inherited The Modern Utopian magazine. We organized Lime Saddle commune that produced Communities Magazine and was the national clearinghouse for all intention community information across the continent and around the world.

    When Lime Saddle broke up several members came here to Humboldt County where we continued to be activists. Granny Green Genes is a Lime Saddle graduate. Here I co-organized the Salmon Creek/Seeley Creek Land Trust with Rick Klein, organized The Bridge, G’ville’s longest lasting and most successful community activist meeting hall and library, and was the first environmental activist to breach Pacific Lumber Company actually managing to be hired as a liaison between PL and EPIC arranging three meetings between the two where our good protectors of the environment trashed three opportunities to save thousands of old growth trees.

    I watched this go down between 1990 when I was a Redwood Summer organizer all the way up to today when enviros again refused to offer any help to Bear River’s Heartlands Project. This has confirmed what I had discovered through the years–EPIC and all the rest of enviros were in it for public recognition, fame and glory as “Defenders of the Forest Against the Terrible Corporate Monster”. They didn’t care about actually doing what it took to save trees–they wanted to grandstand with “No Compromise” like spoiled and stupid children who never learned everything in life is a matter of compromise.

    Thus and therefore and hence, my antagonism all these years because that hypocrisy by enviros never did stop. Mark Lovelace and Ken Miller are the public examples today, each riding publicity and politics instead of doing what is right to protect the environment, e.g. Ken’s trying to sabotage the Bear River’s Heartland’s Project in 1997, a Plan which would have saved all the old growth trees on PL lands forever.

    Mark and Ken are Progressive activists. I am a communitarian activist. I organize cooperative projects to help disenfranchised members of the community, Palco workers and Native Americans. Ken and Mark organize stealth campaigns to gain political control over the community. Who is the real progressive here bringing hope and progress to the community and who are the throw-backs to Tammy Hall secret political manipulation? Do you know who “Heraldo” is for example?

    Progs are history until they recognize real progress towards economic democracy.

  180. kateascot Says:

    WOW GUYS!!!! Why both of you are awesome! And to think we haven’t elected you god yet! But oh, one little problem…poverty still exists, as a matter of fact it is growing at an alarming rate and neither of your positions on social issues has been able to fix that, until you do oh mighty ones, you’ve failed to be the best answers to our community issues.

  181. Eurekev Says:

    Steve: since you are just a community activist trying to make things better, did you listen to Johanna this morning on KHUM?

    It was brutal. She seemed uninterested and uninteresting, her answers were flat and short……if you really want what’s best for your district, you should insist that she participate in a couple of debates so people can see how smart she is, and try to determine her views on important issues. I think voters would be shocked, so I doubt we’ll get that opportunity.

    Two examples: when asked where she and Roger differed politically (might be good to know, if you’re voting for her and not him), she couldn’t come up with anything. Wow…..they had exactly the same political beliefs, never a difference. And then she confused the TPZ issue with the Code Enforcement issue and explained how the Code Enforcement caused so many bad feelings that the Board enacted a 45-day moratorium on code enforcement. Huh? Those are the two biggest issues in the County……is it too much to ask that a Supe candidate know the basics on them?

    Yeah, great candidate. A real commitment to excellence.

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