The major marijuana bust-a-thon of June 2008 is reportedly over. Federal agents will be leaving Humboldt County as of today.
FBI agent Joseph Schadler said federal indictments may come down in a couple of months.
SoHum resident Charlie Custer gave KMUD news his take on “Operation Southern Sweep” (fast forward to last 5 minutes).
Custer said the raids centered on heavily cut-over timberland on the Humboldt-Mendocino border known as “Buddhaville.” The land is formerly owned by Barnum Timber and is zoned for timber production. It’s now owned by 2 Limited Liability Corporations (LLCs), Lost Paradise, LLC and another still forming in Mendocino County. It’s the “same sort of corporate subdivisions as Villica, LLC,” Custer said.
Residents of the land own shares in the corporation. The shares seem to be the basis of conspiracy allegations by the feds.
Custer said the land was illegally subdivided. State and federal pressure has forced counties to bring “shaded parcels” into compliance with zoning regulations. Many greenhouses and trailers were built without any county input, he said.
“What we see in Buddhaville is a great experiment in extending corporate impunity to shareholders, and the experiment has failed,” said Custer. “When the federal blitzkrieg passes, county blizzards of forms and inspecters will fall on the great and the small, shareholders, homesteaders and caretakers alike.”
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June 27, 2008 at 8:14 am
“Feds go home”
Is that a headline, or a chant?
June 27, 2008 at 8:26 am
an incantation?
words have power, you know.
June 27, 2008 at 8:27 am
so it wasnt about pot? it was about code enforcement?
are they just changing their story now because the pot raid was such a joke? remember, we were supposed to believe that a MAJOR pot operation was happening there……..
June 27, 2008 at 8:32 am
Looks like just another way of getting around the fact these counties couldn’t or wouldn’t do their jobs. I wonder what all those people that bitched about the way code enforcement was implemented thinks today.
June 27, 2008 at 8:34 am
All the Federales say, they could’ve had him any day
They only let him slip away, out of kindness I suppose…
But Willie is still coming to Humboldt, right?
June 27, 2008 at 8:37 am
Gulu nailed it. But H left out Charlie’s double-barrel verbiage: “Like it or not, we have lot’s to learn from the troubles of Lost Paradise.”
June 27, 2008 at 8:42 am
Don’t be stupid Theo. It was about Josh Hedlund. He is our friend. Pull your head out of your ass. I guess we forgot to send you the memo. It has been spelled out to you fifty ways from yesterday and you can’t connect the dots. You are even too slow for us. You are fired.
June 27, 2008 at 9:22 am
You are fired.
hahahahaha. touche’ – only if it were that easy!
June 27, 2008 at 9:30 am
Copernicus Jones:
You predicted the coming raid in NCJblogs June 4 or 6th after LA Times article.
I noticed if no one else did. Kudos
June 27, 2008 at 9:49 am
So all you pot head loosers can get back to your everyday smoking, growing and cultivating way of life.
I hope your kids dont end up like you. Just tell them the good ole “do as I say, not as I do”… That just may work. Joke.
June 27, 2008 at 9:51 am
So all you pot head loosers can get back to your everyday smoking, growing and cultivating way of life. It will happen though. Someday.
I hope your kids dont end up like you. Just tell them the good ole “do as I say, not as I do”… That just may work. Joke. (That means it won’t work, and they will end up like you)
June 27, 2008 at 10:33 am
Pay attention Theo. Your change-of-story allegation stems from a SoHum resident’s opinion, not a statement from the feds. Keep your moral indignation in check.
June 27, 2008 at 10:35 am
whew, us meth dudes r peace loving compared to you violent pot people….glad I took this route over that one…medical meth forever……..
June 27, 2008 at 10:45 am
At least it knows how to spell special. All these kids playing games here is wrecking any chance at real dialogue.
June 27, 2008 at 10:53 am
If only there was a code enforcement violation involved with the twin towers in N.Y. We could have had a longer and more in depth investigation of 9/11. Remember, 9/11 changed everything. 21 months were spent investigating that and this was worth a 2 year investigation. WOW!
As for being a corporation, I thought Pacific Lumber proved that corporations had the right to lie when petitioning the government. It would seem that the people of the corporation are protected by a limited liability and a corporation itself can’t be jailed. This is some wierd stuff.
June 27, 2008 at 11:02 am
Seems to me the timber owners who cleaned out their stock then sold at such high prices caused the whole situation with their greed. Preaching how “trees are America’s renewal resource” they cut ‘em down then sold out to pot farmers.
Big local names. Having it both ways. What a surprise.
June 27, 2008 at 11:22 am
Thank you Feds – please stay and clean up more.
Gee Heraldo, what you aren’t counting on is that the feds can get your information from wordpress and not only find out who you are, but how you got the info.
lmao! You dumbass!
June 27, 2008 at 11:23 am
Feds go home…fires burn on.
June 27, 2008 at 12:01 pm
I’m glad they busted this corporate grow! It’s nice to know they weren’t targeting the 215 folks. By the way, not all people with a 215 sit on their ass collecting welfare. Most I know work fulltime and have a degree or two and lead a productive life. At any rate life will go on as normal in HUmboldt now. Horray for that! Now we can work together on putting these damn fires out!!!
June 27, 2008 at 12:04 pm
a corporate grow? EVERY person busted had a 215 permit!!! they found not ONE pound of weed!!! how does an organized pot distribution ring have NO pot?
the raid was a failure. they had faulty intelligence from a narc who steered them wrong.
the feds even lied about the amount of plants that they found!!!
June 27, 2008 at 12:06 pm
2 years of investigation and 450 agents and they couldnt get ONE arrest or ONE pound of weed!!!!!
this will go down in history as the biggest waste of money since the iraq war…
June 27, 2008 at 12:06 pm
supposedly.. and I say this based on *rumor* is that this is a 3 year funded operation. This is the first circle to go down, they will role on others, in the area with smaller ops or similar, and that cycle will repeat and more raids will result. NO ONE wants fed time, and thats the real deal here and why people turn on others, this aint county time were talking.
June 27, 2008 at 12:08 pm
…oh and anon 11:22 — none of these posts are truely anonymous… unless your at the library… they track the ip addys and mac addys that every device has…so I am sure Heraldo understands what she has done, posted rumor…thats no crime, its still free speech…unless bush gets his third term, but thats a whole other post…
June 27, 2008 at 12:12 pm
jones,
no one in the circle went down. no arrests were made.
gardens are raided every year, that is expected in the business. these guys at buddahville know the routine, theyve been around for awhile. im sure most will replant by monday.
June 27, 2008 at 12:20 pm
Thank Jah it’s Friday was revealing, according to callers the one called Buddha is not very Buddha like, not “kind” and totally out of touch with the Dharma. Reportedly he is a major jerk and commercial grower/greed monger. Looks like some good people were sold a bill of goods with their LLC shares and tricked into a kind of “indentured servitude” (as one caller put it. Fe fi fo fum I smell the blood of Josh Hedlund.
June 27, 2008 at 12:21 pm
Eureka reporter article says “on his drive to SF *** said more plants,generators,processed pot & growhouses were found” We even found brownies”
No pot eh?
June 27, 2008 at 12:24 pm
beo,
2 callers called in the disagree with the buddah statements. one said that agents outnumbered plants 10 to 1…….the other said that EVERY garden was within 215 guidelines…..
June 27, 2008 at 12:26 pm
ive seen no reports of ANY processed pot being found. they reported the plants and the cash right away, why not the pot? are they stealing it? did they really find any?
June 27, 2008 at 12:26 pm
“one said that agents outnumbered plants 10 to 1…….the other said that EVERY garden was within 215 guidelines…..”
How does that cantradict what was said about Buddha?
June 27, 2008 at 12:28 pm
The Fed spokesperson said they seized processed pot read it again.
June 27, 2008 at 12:30 pm
did the feds seize land also? or just enough lights and other grow equipment to fund there next run?
June 27, 2008 at 12:58 pm
beo,
2 callers on KMUD this morning reported that buddahville was all 215 growers and very few plants were there…3 callers reported that buddahville was full of growers who were not “kind” people or that the buddahville residents scared the locals away from their favorite swimming holes or that buddahville had built roads, greenhouses and homes without permits.
so, callers represented both sides of the issue….
June 27, 2008 at 12:59 pm
meth,
they seized the land for 4 days……hard to say what will happen in the long run….
June 27, 2008 at 1:22 pm
What was represented on KMUD was not the simplistic either or scenario you are so set on Theo. It is more like a combination of different types of people: big greedy growers manipulating small time, idealistic, 215 homesteader types. Where have we seen that before?
June 27, 2008 at 1:27 pm
beo,
what big, greedy growers were busted? no arrests were made. only 10,000 plants were found in FOUR days of searches that included island mountain, salmon creek, phillipsville, redway, arcata, mckinleyville, whitethorn, whale gulch and shelter cove.
they only found 10,000 plants in ALL of those places, and you think that the feds got to some big growers? i still dont even buy the premise that 10,000 plants were found. ill beleive it when i see it.
June 27, 2008 at 1:28 pm
Copernicus Jones, 3 year investigation would mean they are going to spend 15 months longer and more money on this than 9/11. Bush said 9/11 changed everything. What has this changed.
June 27, 2008 at 1:29 pm
? I forgot the ? in the last post.
June 27, 2008 at 1:37 pm
I am not saying any “big greedy growers” were busted, Theo, but that the KMUD show was food for thought. Unlike you, I do not make assertions about the truth when I do not have the facts. Do you understand?
June 27, 2008 at 1:47 pm
beo,
im not making any assertions, im asking questions……
like, what was the size of the largest garden raided? where was it, and where did the plants go?
June 27, 2008 at 1:49 pm
Good, Theo. I’d like to know as well.
June 27, 2008 at 1:57 pm
Erick V. Kirk from SoHum Parlance: “My understanding is that the land wasn’t sold at all, but rather shares in a corporation which owns the land were sold in lieu of an actual deeded transfer of ownership.”
Sounds like the same scam Josh Hedlund ran with Vilica and Schmook. Those shares can be devalued by those who control the LLC.
June 27, 2008 at 2:09 pm
ill make assertions and in general make in ass of myself , for all of you other common folk. cool?
June 27, 2008 at 2:10 pm
The Feds already have my info, Sherlock. It’s called AT&T.
June 27, 2008 at 2:11 pm
Maybe the large growers believed the Feds were on their way here since they were in Mendo and just moved their grows to another location. If they were indoor grows that might have been not too hard to gather up.
June 27, 2008 at 2:28 pm
To think that any of us are anonyomus on the internet or on the phone is absurd. Look at the FISA law. We used to have a 4th amendment to our Constitution that said.
“ The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Now if you are a terror SUSPECT, this does not apply to you.
June 27, 2008 at 2:33 pm
It doesn’t even apply if you use email. AT&T houses a secret room for the NSA to record all internet traffic. Big brother is most certainly watching (or, at least, making copies).
June 27, 2008 at 2:59 pm
so since the gov is watching Im wondering how safe it is to be REAL I mean what constitutes free speech and what constitutes, lets say a search warrant?…should I flush my crystal? by the way no one has told how to get to the Enchanted and Majestical Sounding “CRYSTAL PALACE” ….
June 27, 2008 at 3:11 pm
mc: the gov will be using the money from the raids to construct many underground/crystal palaces and from there plan the next 9/11 hoax type thing after which they will unleash the secret gov cannabis strains on us and bring about a NEW WORLD ORDER. got it? (I know cause I’m with the GOV)
June 27, 2008 at 3:14 pm
Beowulf, sounds like your mind’s in the same gutter as mine.
June 27, 2008 at 3:17 pm
Josh Hedlund fucked us. He is going to pay. He led us on wild goose chase and now he IS GOING DOWN!! No more delays in his sentencing. In 20 years he won’t even remember what his kids looked like. A puckered sphincter will be butt (hehe) a memory.
June 27, 2008 at 3:20 pm
Encrypted anonymous internet can be had easily. Phone calls can be encrypted on both ends. Hard disks can be fully encrypted including operating system software. Your spelling and writing style may give you away if you are public with your use of this technology. Technology to break military grade ciphers is not available. Why else do you suppose billions of dollars worth of effort is not enough to locate certain terrorists?
This is why the feds target “home grown” pot farmers. They keep all of their records unencrypted, their finances public, and their communications wide open. IRS cops are in the photos seizing computers from the target locations in Humboldt. Do you think those drives are encrypted? Foreign criminal organizations employ secrecy measures at high levels and are therefore impossible to gather intelligence on without a mole. No case can be built without evidence.
June 27, 2008 at 3:22 pm
^ What he said ^
June 27, 2008 at 3:50 pm
Bust some harmless pot growers, and leave the meth labs untouched. Way to prioritize. There are dozens of meth labs along the Klamath River and in the Klamath and Siskiyou National Forests. These provide much of the methamphetamine plaguing Arcata, Eureka, Ashland, Medford, and Grants Pass, OR; much of it is cooked by Mexican Nationals. Law enforcement even knows about it and does nothing, targeting harmless pot growers instead. Meth is devastating our communities.
Here’s one of many sources on this:
http://fisheries.ifcnr.com/article.cfm?NewsID=424
Two intriguing new elements are being suggested as suspects behind the deaths of 33,000 salmon and steelhead trout in the Klamath River last September. One is the discovery of an illegal crytal-meth (methamphetamine) cooking equipment dump on the Ohpah Creek, a tributary of the Klamath. The other is a possible warming of the Klamath waters due to a diversion of cooler water from the Trinity River away from the Klamath and into the Sacramento river. The California Department of Game and Fish blamed the Bush Administration for releasing too much water last Spring for farming and not leaving enough for the fish. The DGF own actions in the fish kill controversy only increased the credibility of the two new theories. The DGF did not test for toxic substances in the river?s waters until seven days after the die-off. Nor did they take water temperature measurements. A few degrees of too much water warmth can be critical to the fish.
The methamphetamine dump was located one mile north of the origination point of the die-off. Among the toxic substances used in producing the illegal drug are toluene, ether, drain cleaner (sulphuric acid), car batteries (lithium), lye or sodium hydroxide, hydrochloric acid, white gas, laundry soap, and diesel fuel. Law enforcement officials know of five meth labs in the area but suspect the number could be as high as 50.
June 27, 2008 at 4:03 pm
Holy Crap! Tweaker fish! That would explaine why I have had such a hard time catching fish on the Klamath. I thought i was using the wrong bait.
June 27, 2008 at 4:06 pm
beowulf, so are you saying im saying 9-11 is a hoax?? Im not on the tom boat man, really Im not….Im just not getting your vibe man….maybe we should jack a round in our veins and chat, mate…..wait, you the fed dude???
June 27, 2008 at 4:08 pm
new world order?? A REINCARNATION OF THE ORIGINAL BAND!! right on i knew theyd get back together, I saw that they thinking of reuniting!!!!
June 27, 2008 at 4:12 pm
Is their any evidence out there, besides all this hype, that hedlund is connected, or ever was conected to these properties, or to tipping the feds off to these properties.
June 27, 2008 at 4:26 pm
the meth addiction ensures a sure supply of low income workers (slaves) for people who hire “temp workers.” Since all meth addicts will soon have a criminal record, they will do a little stretch in the pen (thus supporting some prison guards) and then when he gets out he will be a “convict” and he will be unable to find any employment beyond janitor.
ON the upside, the meth will make these people good workers – actually better workers- then their less medicated bretheren. Because when they are on meth they can work long hours doing repetitive and physically challenging work without complaint. As long as they can “manage” their addiction, which of course is “their own responsibility.”
Then the cops come in and seize every thing they own one day (the police will sell the shit to augment their budgets) and the cycle starts again.
What part of this don’t we understand?
have a peaceful day,
Bill
June 27, 2008 at 4:30 pm
4:12: No, just a very suspicious set of circumstances. You have to admit these properties appear to be structured into LLCs exactly the same way Vilica and Schmook were. Also the Feds have said that the investigation started in 2006 when Hedlund was initially busted; and it is well know that Joshee-poo is cooperating with the Feds (he ratted out his partner Kite on their 300+ light diesel grow/environmental disaster) and he would do just about anything to get his sentence reduced further. And his sentencing keeps getting delayed even though he has been arrested twice while out on O.R. or bail but miraculously is still not in custody. So no, it ain’t 100% but maybe 90% that he is involved in the Lost Paradise LLC bust. Just connect the dots and judge for yourself.
June 27, 2008 at 4:32 pm
OMG Meth Labs! What kind of people would put that poison in their bodies?
June 27, 2008 at 4:38 pm
Eric V. Kirk said…
“Yes, I understand. You don’t own the land.
There’ve been other situations like this, and when clients come in for advice, we routinely advise them not to “buy” in. “Something happens to the title and you have no recourse. You have shares to an empty corporate shell.
Any land deal which doesn’t involve an escrow, with the execution and recording of a deed, and title insurance, is probably a very bad deal. Your free legal advice for the week.”
Good advice. In other words this type of “deal,” originally brought to Humboldt by Josh Hedlund, is a fraudulent scam by design.
June 27, 2008 at 4:40 pm
People put meth in their bodies so that they can work 60 hour weeks doing labor intensive and repetitive jobs. That’s one reason. Some people get way strung out on it.
Some people (soldiers) put meth in their bodies because they are ordered to do so.
Let’s get real, please.
Have a peaceful day,
Bill
June 27, 2008 at 4:55 pm
How much cash did Ed Mendes, the seller, receive from Buddha?
June 27, 2008 at 5:30 pm
That doesn’t sound real to me Bill. I know lots of people who work 60 hours a week who don’t take poison to do it.
June 27, 2008 at 7:32 pm
Ask any pilot in the military how much meth they use. Ask truck drivers, and how about hospital residents and college kids? Then investigate prison guards (who have the best shit) about how much money they make off keeping inmates strung out…considering meth was brought to us by the government after they bought Hitlers chemists I’d say they have a large stake in the growth of the drug in the US…
June 27, 2008 at 9:16 pm
bewolf, what is the definative evidence that he rated out Kite, besides the fact that it was 10 days after arrest, not that I doubt your theory, just curious as to the source of the evidence.
thanks
June 27, 2008 at 9:42 pm
Well anonymous, not to be a jerk, but could read through the “Vilica Mess” and “Desperately seeking Hedlund” threads, your question was addressed there at length. The short answer is that there is no definitive proof, just a great deal of circumstantial evidence. On the one hand I was not in the room when Josh ratted out Kite; on the other hand although I was born at night, it wasn’t last night.
June 28, 2008 at 1:21 am
Check out the press release on Josh henlund pleading guilty in February to running an Oakland Warehouse. Gave the right to search 7000 acres…. This is definitely all directly related.
June 28, 2008 at 5:47 am
oh boy, who needs the history of meth, and no it was not invented by the evil nazis, they just made the refinery process more pure….just like their race…the japanese invented meth in 1919 to help their soldiers……now cheese goes way back..
June 28, 2008 at 5:50 am
the meth of today is garbage!!!all the good chemicles are banned very hard to get organic products…….haha…seriously, P2P which for yars was one main cursoralso red phosphorous , which now the only wy to get it is by diamond match heads….I could go on on….now its drayno, tolulene, lye…etc….YUCK!!
June 28, 2008 at 5:52 am
if my aunt had balls she’d be my uncle…..
June 28, 2008 at 6:45 am
People choose to use meth, it isn’t forced on them. Just another of your lame excuses excusing people from any responsibility for their own lives.
June 28, 2008 at 7:11 am
The million children per year in the US who are pushed into amphetamine addiction by their OWN DOCTORS do not CHOOSE to use meth. They are FORCED TO.
They are being prepared for their life as a burger flippin SLAVE for the ruling elite.
have a peaceful day,.
Bill
June 28, 2008 at 7:38 am
You are referring to hyperactive children being put on Ritalin, Bill? Surely you aren’t claiming that all meth addicts were given Ritalin as children or that all children who are presribed Ritalin go on to become meth addicts? Ritalin is abused, as is virtually every drug that has any desired effects, and not just by those who have a prescription.
ADHD is why some kids can’t be educated and spend their lives flipping burgers. Ritalin is to treat ADHD, it doesn’t cause it.
June 28, 2008 at 7:41 am
What causes ADHD then, if it really exists? Please tell me. Tell me also how Ritalin or Adderal or any of the other meth substitutes “treat” ADHD.
Tell me how some one can use meth ONE TIME (so the claim goes) and be instantly addicted but a child can be given amphetamine for years and then at age 18 becomes a non-addict.
Tell me the doctors are not responsible for their actions. Please.
have a peaceful day,
Bill
June 28, 2008 at 7:51 am
Children have different physiology than adults, Bill. You give a kid caffeine and it relaxes them, same with Ritalin. It is at adolescence as their physiology changes that it becomes difficult to treat. Ritalin is abused by some of the patients (and their customers) to get high, just like kids who buy meth who were never prescribed Ritalin.
They don’t know what causes ADHD but genetics is the most likely suspect so far.
June 28, 2008 at 8:03 am
You are speaking of the so-called “Paradoxical Effect.” That is the imaginary notion that drugs used on children have the opposite effect of drugs used on adults.
Where is the scientific proof of the “parodoxical effect?” Or are you just going to tell us some yarn about giving a kid a cup of coffee to calm them down?
have a peaceful day,
Bill
June 28, 2008 at 8:07 am
Is it just me or is it realy plain that highboldtage and tad are smoking from the same pipe. Everytime I check there is more dipshits.
One thing for sure unless u’all are blind, this was a scouting trip. If what they found justifies it you have not seen the last of these folks.
Kateascot is fucking whack, she is a homeless groupy spouting the same stupid bullshit about meth, pilots and prison guards. Servitute of the masses. Its real easy, work hard, spend less than you make, invest the rest in saving to build up equity and improve your life. The trick is excepting responsiblity for what you do and the hard work part. Helps if instead of sitting around whining and high you spend time on your kids and try to provide education/trade so they can move up the ladder, thus contributing to the general well being of all the rest. Imagine that, being a plus, not a drain.
If everybody rows, instead of dragging their feet in the water life becomes much better for all.
June 28, 2008 at 8:11 am
A CEO making a hundred million dollars a year is a drain on the economy. These people are social vampires, sucking the life out of our economy. That’s what the problem is.
What does the hundred million dollar CEO “work hard” on? Tell me.
have a peaceful day,
Bill
June 28, 2008 at 8:13 am
I know people who used Ritalin for ADHD as children Bill. I knew them as children and I know them as adults. None of them are meth addicts. None of them are homeless. They have good jobs and are productive members of society, raising families without drugs. I know what they were like before they were prescribed Ritalin and can only guess where they would be today without it. They probably would have spiraled into hopelessness, drug addiction and homelessness due to their inability to learn.
You want to blame others for all the damage people do to themselves. It’s time to look in a mirror.
June 28, 2008 at 8:19 am
Expecting a drug to cure all your problems is unrealistic. Parents who don’t seek out other behavior modification techniques and who leave Ritalin administration to their children are also less likely to be successful. It isn’t coincidence that alcohol and drug usage during pregnancy is also suspect in some cases of ADHD.
June 28, 2008 at 8:20 am
He works hard convincing the board (and shareholders) he is worth it, Bill.
June 28, 2008 at 8:21 am
man……you pot dudes….just so ..much tension….you guys need a rail….to release that built up fed tension….
June 28, 2008 at 8:22 am
I blame doctors for the methamphetamine horrors that we face. They give this shit to over a million kids a year. We have a meth epidemic. Occam’s Razor.
Obviously there are good doctors and great doctors who are not involved. My point is that the medical profession as a whole has been corrupted and needs to change.
Big Pharma, big business and the police state are complicit also. Big pharma wants profits, big business wants slave labor, and the police state profits from seized property and private prisons.
have a peaceful day,
Bill
June 28, 2008 at 8:23 am
DUDE, I LOOKED IN THE FREAKIN MIRROR AND aaahhhhhhhhahahahahahahahahahahahaa……i LOOK LIKE IM 85..MUST BE THE IN-ORGANIC PRODUCTS BEING USED TO MANUFACTURE THIS NEW STUFF….DID I MENTION IM 79..
June 28, 2008 at 8:23 am
Keep blaming others Bill. It’s working out so well for you.
June 28, 2008 at 8:34 am
The “Feds” are always with us. We all live near BLM land, National Parks, and all our homes and property can be seen on GOOGLE Earth. Our phones and computers are monitored.
June 28, 2008 at 8:37 am
Where did the name “Buddaville” come from? Are the people being investigated Buddhists?
June 28, 2008 at 8:40 am
I believe it’s based on an individual called “Buddah.”
June 28, 2008 at 8:40 am
Thank God that this 21st Century Republican Party, though brutally fascistic and murderously imperialistic, is also hopelessly incompetent and corrupt. It is their saving grace.
Now will all of you DECENT CLOTH COAT REPUBLICANS of good will (we know that there are lots of you from the history books) PLEASE TAKE YOUR PARTY BACK from the abyss?
We will all be happier.
have a peaceful day,
Bill
June 28, 2008 at 8:50 am
Thanks, Heraldo. I have another question: Is this somehow related to all the TPZ hysteria that we witnessed earlier this year? Have many of these new-found private property acitivsts that screamed and protested, “It is my land, and I can do whatever I want on my land”, been illegally subdividing TPZ land in order to grow pot?
June 28, 2008 at 8:56 am
Not according to the feds. Someone from KMUD asked Joe Schadler about it and he said that’s the first he’d heard about the issue of illegal subdivisions.
But SoHum resident Charlie Custer seems to think it’s involved somehow, and even if it’s not a part of the fed investigation there will be blowback on TPZ landowners.
June 28, 2008 at 9:03 am
I heard Charlie Custer speak about it. It will be interesting watching this unfold.
Meanwhile, did the feds burn all the weed? It is really smoky outside (Just Kidding:)
June 28, 2008 at 9:05 am
Since there’s no chance in hell they’ll give it back they will likely sell it.
June 28, 2008 at 9:08 am
I think I heard a report that they bury it and let it compost. BTW, who would they sell it to? Trade it in Afghanistan for poppies? (Sarcasm)
June 28, 2008 at 9:12 am
Thanks for the emoticons and ’splainin’, Auntie.
June 28, 2008 at 9:18 am
I’m sure they have their contacts.
June 28, 2008 at 9:18 am
You are welcome, Humboldturtle. Personally, I believe that marijuana should legalized and grown out inside in the sun, not indoors. It is ridiculous that it is illegal to grow a pretty flower that helps people feel better. What is next? Valerian? Mint? Comfrey?
June 28, 2008 at 9:21 am
Charley told me he asked Terri to ask Schadler that question precisely to see if the county and federal attacks on the ownership system was coordinated. Apparently it wasn’t. The structure is controversial in lots of ways, as Eric and others are explaining.
One thing he didn’t get into is that Vilica llc is an ‘illegal’ subdivision despite the fact that Josh Hedlund–whatever else he’s up to–spent tens of thousands of dollars over five years to bring his parcels into compliance with county regs. Hedlund said yesterday to the Code Enforcement Task Force meeting that he got his Certificate of Compliance *that day*, shortly before he goes to prison, after applying for it for the last five years.
The county decides what is and isn’t legal, when it feels like it. This issue, leading to ’shaded parcels’ subject to random harassment, is such a (politically incorrect)-baby that Charley just borrowed the county’s language to introduce a very complicated subject. I figure he wanted to put this huge raid in the news context that we know about already: llc grower subdivisions, county resistance or indifference to different degrees in different places, with TPZ in the center of things because the county really is starting to get serious about resisting the breakup of large timber holdings. It’s increasing because of pot right now, whatever evil developers may do in End Times to come.
There’s an awful lot there to boil down, and if we had reporters they’d report on it.
June 28, 2008 at 9:24 am
This is the reason why Canada will stay in Afghanistan until the job is done.
Canadian troops fighting Taliban militants in Afghanistan have stumbled across an unexpected and potent enemy — almost impenetrable forests of marijuana plants 10 feet tall.
If anyone can get through ten feet of weed it’s the Canadian Military. All Canadians should be proud.
We tried burning them with white phosphorous — it didn’t work. We tried burning them with diesel — it didn’t work. The plants are so full of water right now … that we simply couldn’t burn them,” he said.
Even successful incineration had its drawbacks.
“A couple of brown plants on the edges of some of those [forests] did catch on fire. But a section of soldiers that was downwind from that had some ill effects and decided that was probably not the right course of action,” Hiller said dryly.
“That shit started burnin’ but then we forgot what the hell we were doing and had a barbecue… Man that was some good potato salad.”
http://www.scruffydan.com/blog/?author=1
June 28, 2008 at 9:25 am
I am sure they do have their contacts, Heraldo.
Meanwhile, there is a glut of heroin in the U.S. And certainly, Meth is disgusting in what it does to people. I understand that their has been some “bad-shit” around Humboldt County lately resulting in deaths. In our neighborhood their was a young man that killed himself last month while freaking-out on drugs. And this news was not reported in the newspapers.
June 28, 2008 at 9:51 am
I’ve ben listening to all the buzz about what is going on as a result of the feds in Humboldt as i can and one thing is for sure we are a curious and opinionated bunch, but i guess the thing that stands out in my mind is the mean spiritedness of some posters. I love living in Humboldt. I raised my children here and my grandchildren are born here and I work in the communities doing my best to find answers to the most pressing problems in our society and the biggest obstacle I’ve found to bringing peace to our neighborhoods have been the people who are hateful and unwilling to face their own responsibilities while telling those who are in pain and suffering that they have brought it all upon themselves! Pointing out others faults is a way of avoiding personal responsibility, having said that someone will say well Kate you just did that, and I say step back and take a deep breath.
Drugs are not our biggest problem because they are simply symptoms of a worse poison, broken hearts.
People cheating and stealing have always happened and will because people are lost without a strong moral compass. Our leadership are crooks of the highest degree. Get stuff, consume, buy, buy, buy, money and power are our gods instead of the love of people.
I choose to be a homeless advocate because these are people who have no representation and according to our constitution what this country has done to poor Americans is not only illegal but WRONG.
June 28, 2008 at 11:38 am
The Ritalin/Adderol and meth question is nowhere near as clear-cut as either Bill or those arguing against him are making it out to be.
First of all, a point of clarification: the “paradoxical” effect is not that *all* children have the opposite reaction to drugs like Ritalin and Adderol from that of adults. But some apparently do. So do some adults. (And anyone who thinks that all children react to caffeine by becoming more calm must not have children of their own… my experience is that most kids get real wound up after a few cans of Mountain Dew or whatever, just like most adults do.)
The fact is that people can react in quite a range of different ways to the same substance. For example, there is no question that marijuana makes some people feel nervous and “paranoid” (although of course the legality and social stigma issues can contribute to that as well), but marijuana also helps many people with anxiety issues achieve calmness. Different strokes for different folks.
I have had some close, extended experience with very seriously hyperactive kids who were put on one of these meth-like substances, and I have seen it have a very beneficial calming effect on some of these kids, who seriously couldn’t concentrate on anything for more than 30 seconds before they were put on Ritalin or Adderol.
But I also believe that probably 90+% of these prescriptions are not at all necessary or appropriate – they are just a result of putting high-energy, high-spirited kids into extremely regimented situations like your average public school, where if they can’t “sit still and be quiet” during 6 hours of mind-numbingly boring busy-work and hurry-up-and-wait-in-line type activities they are labeled as having an “attention deficit disorder” and are medicated. This is, in my opinion, a very serious form of societal neglect toward these kids, and may have very serious physical and mental health consequences for these kids as they move into adulthood, including possible addiction to methamphetamine, or at least lifelong dependence on the pharmaceutical equivalents.
I also know of at least one case where a parent “coached” their child to act hyperactive for months, so that they would be prescribed Ritalin (paid for by MediCal) and the parent could then use it for their own recreational / addictive purposes, and perhaps sell some to friends. I’m afraid there may be quite a bit of this going on.
But that doesn’t mean that these drugs should never be used for the children who benefit from them. It also doesn’t mean that there is some kind of grand conspiracy of doctors and pharma companies and the government to get these kids addicted.
More like the combined effects of unrealistic expectations of “attention span” for children and the failure of many schools to accomodate different learning styles and different kids, which then leads schools and parents to seek a medical solution to what is really an intitutional/social problem.
Doctors do have their share of the blame for being way too quick to medicate the “problem” away because it is so much cheaper (in the short term) than changing the learning environment and/or trying other counseling/psychotherapy approaches to try to help the kids with the less extreme cases of “hyperactivity” or “attention deficit disorder” learn to focus and cope in a modern world that tends to require a good deal of focusing.
One last point: Going back even a hundred years or so, we certainly still had these high-energy kids, but most of them had a place to run around in the fields or the woods after their school day. They had chores, could putter around the family farm with a parent, could climb trees, go hunting or fishing, etc.
So now take the same high-energy kids and put them into a situation where they have to “sit still & pay attention” all day in school, before-and-after-school programs, and then come home to a condo or aparetment or house on a very small lot – somewhere where they have to be accompanied by adult just to go outside – and their main afterschool activites are in front of a TV or a computer screen, and you’re going to have some pretty “fidgety” kids on your hands.
Thomm Hartmann has an excellent book on the subject of kids being medicated for societal reasons (title?), in which he points out that some of the same things that cause these kids “problems” in our modern society, such as orienting to new stimuli quickly (which we call being “distracted”) were, in our evolutionary past, a very important survival trait to help avoid predators and also to successfully hunt and gather. So these traits are deep in our genetic makeup, and society is changing much faster than we are evolving genetically.
So we’re “stuck” in the situation where a certain number of kids are going to keep having these traits – to greater or lesser degrees – that are quite valuable traits in many situations, but not in your average highly-regimented classroom. On the other hand, some kids do seem to have these issues to such an extent that it would cause them serious problems in almost all settings.
So I have very serious reservations about drugs like Ritalin and Adderol being way over-prescribed to kids (same with anti-depressants in both kids and adults), but there certainly are some cases where it really does improve their quality of life. But it should be a LAST RESORT, not the first response just because it is cheaper in the long-term.
First, we should try to accomodate these kids into educational and social settings where they can cope without pharmaceutical help, and only the most serious cases should be considered for prescribing these drugs. And even there, the object should be to use as low a dose as is helpful, and try to wean them off it after a period of time, if possible.
So, Bill, I think you are overstating the case when you seem to claim that it’s all some evil plot by the pharmaceutical companies and the doctors and the government. All three groups have some measure of responsibility for profiting from the over-prescribing of these drugs, attempting to save a few bucks, and pandering to the demands of schools and parents for kids who are “easier to deal with.”
But ultimately it comes down to all of us, collectively, deciding that we shouldn’t try to make all kids fit the mold of a docile, easily-regimented child who can concentrate on busywork tasks and rote learning for 6 or 8 hours, then come home to a closed, indoor living environment and still be calm and “easy to get along with” for their parents, siblings, and so on.
We have met the enemy, and they are us.
June 28, 2008 at 11:43 am
Should have read: “…not the first response just because it is cheaper in the *short term*. “
June 28, 2008 at 11:46 am
I largely agree with your well reasoned post.
I am for drug freedom. While I do believe that pharma drugs are mostly worthless, often addictive, always expensive, and way overprescribed by a corrupted medical profession, I do believe that a person should be able to take a drug that they find useful, and if people do find these drugs useful I am all for them.
I would characterize the situation with Big Pharma, big business and the police state as an intersection of interests rather than a grand conspiracy. Hand in (iron) glove so to (un)speak.
have a peaceful day,
Bill
June 28, 2008 at 12:08 pm
it’s interesting that pharmaceutical companies and their advertisers have access to psychological experts that create in the minds of the public a desire for and sense of need for their products…thickens the plot a bit…
June 28, 2008 at 12:16 pm
Peace be with you J.P.
I read your last post and agree with most of what you wrote. A couple of things bothered me about what you didn’t say. Like, just because they helped some children, are they safe, especially for developing minds and bodies. Kinda safe is not the same thing as safe.
Like Bill, I believe if you want to snort battery acid its OK, just keep it and its problems to yourself. I don’t feel this way about little children however. I believe community members, as well as parents, should make every effort to prevent small children from ingesting chemicals that are detrimental to their physical, mental, and spiritual development.
Not only is “speed” (Ritalin) being given to our children, but long term use of speed in children has created a market for antipsychotics to supposedly correct the resulting behavior.
Plus, no one I have found has addressed the possibility that Ritalin is really the “gateway” drug for meth. I just know that it has been my practice for many years now to ask tweekers when I find them if they were Ritalin children. You probably wouldn’t be surprised knowing I am convenced that Ritalin leads to meth.
Some things societies just shouldn’t have and social control “behavioral” drugs are right below nuclear weapons, and right above fascist police/laws.
love eternal
tad
June 28, 2008 at 12:21 pm
Wouldn’t it be wise to reduce the advertising available to pharmaceuticals and alcohol as we have for tobacco? Accepting the fact that it will be with us for a long time but minimizing it’s influence.
June 28, 2008 at 12:24 pm
JP I plead guilty to firmly and forthrightly stating my case. I plead innocent to over-stating it.
have a peaceful day,
Bill
June 28, 2008 at 12:24 pm
then of course the next step would be to step up the educational information process so the whole story gets out..
June 28, 2008 at 12:27 pm
Yes Kate, some years ago when we started to allow Big Pharma to advertise via mass media our health and economic situations started going south. We should prohibit pharmaceutical advertising again.
Don’t give me any of that “corporate free speech” bs either. Corporations have NO rights under the Constitution. Read it.
have a peaceful day,
Bill
June 28, 2008 at 12:37 pm
Read the 14th Amendment and SCOTUS interpretations of it, Bill.
June 28, 2008 at 12:44 pm
Tad,
You make a good point about the fact that just because the Ritalin seems to “help” some of the more extreme cases of “hyperactivity” in the short-term, it may not be healthy and safe in the long-term. There is a major problem with drugs that have only been tested on adults, and only over short periods of time (and all the valid questions about how good those pharma-funded tests submitted to pharma-connected FDA foks) being prescribed for children, starting sometimes at very young ages and continuing for years, all through the period that their brains (and minds) are developing. That is why, at most, these should be a last resort and only used in the most serious cases, and only when other approaches, for example herbal remedies, have failed.
And, yes, I agree that the massive over-prescription of those meth-like substances, and then rather abrupt withdrawl of these substances in early adulthood, must have at least some impact on the development of meth dependence in some adults who recieved these meth-like drugs such as Ritalin or Adderol as kids and adolescents.
June 28, 2008 at 12:45 pm
Supreme Courts come and go, and rulings change. Aren’t you folks hoping for a re-run of Roe v. Wade? Or is that off the table?
There is no mention of corporations in either the Constitution or the Bill of Rights.
have a peaceful day,
Bill
June 28, 2008 at 12:49 pm
There are meth addicts who never took Ritalin and people who used Ritalin who didn’t become meth addicts. Those who became addicts who took Ritalin may have become addicts if they had never taken it. There is no cause and effect shown.
June 28, 2008 at 12:58 pm
Bill said: “I would characterize the situation with Big Pharma, big business and the police state as an intersection of interests rather than a grand conspiracy.”
You just hit the nail right on the head!
For this issue, though, you also need to add in the intersection of interests (or perceived interests, anyway) of parents, school administrators, teachers, child psychologists, insurance companies, and employers (who don’t want parents constantly leaving work to go tend to a “problem child” at school).
It’s not like there aren’t any conspiracies in the world, but in my opinion, most of them could more accurately be described as an “intersection of interests” where no one has to organize all the players to follow the same playbook, because they are already positioned to do so for their own reasons.
Just for the record, the part I found a bit “overstated” was this:
highboldtage Says: June 28, 2008 at 7:11 am
“The million children per year in the US who are pushed into amphetamine addiction by their OWN DOCTORS do not CHOOSE to use meth. They are FORCED TO. They are being prepared for their life as a burger flippin SLAVE for the ruling elite.”
Perhaps it was not your intention, but I thought that kind of sounded like you were saying that the doctors were the ones pushing the Ritalin (no mention of teachers, school administrators, parents, child psychologists, etc.) and were purposefull doing so as part of a plan to create an underclass of burger-flippers. I guess I was reading too much into it, but I think you can probably see why I came away with that perception.
By the way, I loved the post about the brave Canadien troops heroically battling the ten-foot-high pot plants in Afghanistan. That’s nice work if you can get it, eh?
June 28, 2008 at 1:07 pm
12:49 said “there is no cause and effect shown”
I doubt there’s a cause and effect in all cases – as you correctly note, there are folks who never used Ritalin who become meth users, and folks who used Ritalin for a decade and didn’t become meth users.
But, anecdotally, there also seems to be a lot of folks who used Ritalin for a decade, and then became meth users. This doesn’t prove cause and effect, but it would seem to hint that there might be one, and it is certainly worth ding the research to try to find out definitively how much of an effect their might be. Has anyone yet done the study that would expose the cause and effect relationship if it were there? I don’t know the answer to that…do you?
June 28, 2008 at 1:10 pm
No, JP I don’t think that doctors are part of a conscious conspiracy to produce a meth medicated slave labor caste.
I do say this: That there is an awareness at the highest levels of big business here in the US (and globally) that workers on meth are more “productive.”
I do say this: That Big Pharma wants to maximize its profits even at the expense of the health of children.
I do say this: That the average doctor in the US receives over $10,000 per year in gifts from Big Pharma.
So my point is that though doctors are not conscious agents of a conspiracy, they are more complicit than those others you mention because the doctors are gaining a cash consideration in return for writing prescriptions.
Of course some (ethical) doctors have nothing to do with this nonsense, but they seem to be rare.
have a peaceful day,
Bill
June 28, 2008 at 1:12 pm
people have the rights of the constitution, not corporations who are not an individual
June 28, 2008 at 2:24 pm
Peace be with you
Bill said
I think this statement can be either true of false depending on how you define “part of a conscious conspiracy.” If the Pharmaceutical Corporations have a “conscious conspiracy,” then doctors prescribing their drugs are in fact “part” of that “conscious conspiracy.” I don’t personally believe the majority of doctors are conscious of this “conscious conspiracy.” I do believe however, all those taking money to manipulate to the truth are conscious of the conspiracy. Pharma is the biggest lobbying organization in the country, and should be outlawed from giving gifts, honorariums, jobs, or financial support to legislatures, prescribers, and policy makers.
As far as a plan “to create an underclass of burger-flippers” goes, I find this credible by both an extremely long track record of this type of outcome, and a critical look at society as we know it today.
I feel that Bill, J.P., Kateascot, and me all agree that the way pills are being handed out today is dangerous, harmful and wrong. It really doesn’t matter as to why any of us view this “doping of America” wrong, because it is the costly social, and individual results that ultimately must be stopped.
I personally believe that the results, the players, and the history all add up to an intentional doping of the poor to create workers with shortened life spans. And just for thought I might add that the most common reported side effect of all anti-psychotics is sexual dysfunction (i.e. chemical sterilization). Four main purposes of Auschwitz were 1. controlling behavior, 2. preventing reproduction, 3. labor that has no money for themselves, and 4. killing off the “undesirable.” Zyprexa accomplishes all that, plus the added bonus of “plausible deniability.”
love eternal
tad
June 28, 2008 at 8:42 pm
Thanks, Feds, for the fires. Feds <3 HAARP. I knew those satellites were for something. Strange lightning, chemtrails, DOR, smeared clouds, infectious haze, fires that confuse and deconstruct and destroy. Thanks. Thanks a lot. What did the forest ever do to you?
June 28, 2008 at 8:48 pm
Most “legal” Pharm Drugs are synthetics based on real street drugs….they werent..i think if pot gets legalized it will actually just get the big companies involved that can afford to spend big bucks and squeeze out the little guy and just oversupply the market making it hard to sell pot..oh wait that sounds like it kinda is now with 20 to 50 lighters being the norm..
June 28, 2008 at 8:54 pm
I think this blog has been invaded by the homeless conspiracy brigade.
June 28, 2008 at 9:33 pm
Conspiracies are hard for people to accept, first of all they have to know the humiliation of being tricked by people they trust and if they make it past that then they know they must do something about it, that takes courage and a willingness to make some changes in their lives to accomodate this truth. It’s a hard…it’s a hard
June 28, 2008 at 11:19 pm
Not that many people know this (only me, tad, kate and a few others are privy to this info so keep it on the down low) but the United States Federal Government is actualy behind the California wildfires. Ya see it works like this…
The feds have huge satilite plasma generators that they used to zap CA and spark the wildfires. They did this because they’re controlled by the corporations that produce fire fighting equipment, and are also in bed with Dow Chemical who makes all the fire retardent. The corporations and the goverment teamed up, started the fires (Haliburton made the plasma satilites) and now they’re profiting off fighting the fires. What’s more, Sysco Foods has an exclusive contract on the millions of dollars worth of food, drinks and meal preperation supplies that are needed to feed firefighters in the camps, so they’re in on it too.
Then, when the smoke has cleared and the fire has burned away all the tree cover masking all the meth labs in CA, the feds are gonna go after the meth cooks and make them a deal that if they split the profits with the feds and agree to buy exclusively from Dow, then Dow will front them chemicals and equipment for the labs so the cooks can make tons of meth for all us worker bee drones.
The way this all connects to the herb is because herb makes people lazy and resistent towards the Babylon System and not wanna work for The Man doing 9-5 jobs for slave pay (wait, do slaves get paid?).
So, by getting everyone hooked on meth, the corporations and business can work everyone super long hours without having to let them take breaks, or sleep, thereby boosting production and profits.
It’s all part of the Master Conspiracy Plan cooked up by The Babylon System which is controlled by The Man, aka Josh Hedlund.
It’s really pretty simple actualy.
I gotta go now, cuz meth and cheese is coming over so we can shoot up and he can help me remove the transmitter in my genitals.
June 28, 2008 at 11:54 pm
I think medical MJ is ok. But only for the few it helps. The law is a joke. California has become a source nation for MJ in the US. We need to reform the law like other states where it takes care of the ill and not protect the drug dealer! It has become a source of violent crime in our communities. Look at the violent crime rate in the counties that are the most pro MJ!
June 29, 2008 at 12:06 am
That’s what he tells everyone PP. He’s just trying to get your pants down.
June 29, 2008 at 1:43 am
Welcome to Buddhaville: A case study in what happens when local criminal profiteers gain the sympathies of naive, well-meaning civil-libertarians.
While standing up for constitutional rights and the hard-won legalization of medical marijuana, don’t become one of Buddha’s Fools!
When neighbors don’t have the authority and/or the fire-power to “police their own” as proposed on KMUD (6/26/08), thank goodness there exists a well-organized, un-intimidated and (somewhat) neutral agency that can step in to do the job for us!
While there are certainly historical occasions when police/FBI/DEA/IRS, etc have over-stepped the boundaries of citizens’ civil rights,
there are times when these same agencies can prove helpful in restoring a certain element of law and order within communities that find themselves in over their heads at the hands of self-styled black market mega-profiteers.
For all of those who have, over the years, found themselves confronted with neighbors and community “members” who challenge the boundaries of common courtesy, respect, good sense and safety, not to mention land stewardship, the arrival of the feds this week might have actually come as a long-awaited relief.
While my sympathies are certainly with those “small fry” folks/families who found themselves swept up in Operation Southern Sweep, there is a certain amount of responsibility for one’s own actions that needs to be taken: If you were growing marijuana for profit of any kind, you were not acting in accordance with the law. It doesn’t matter if you have a 215, you were breaking the law as it was voted on democratically by the citizens of this state. If you feel that that law needs to be changed, then, by all means, work towards that goal (keeping in mind that with full legalization, profit margins will become even slimmer than they are currently). If one CHOOSES to break the law in the pursuit of financial speculation, one has chosen to take that risk in the process. There are many people who weigh the risks and some decide to accept those risks and some decide against it. The main point is that if you chose to take a risk, you can’t then argue with the outcome when it isn’t to your liking. It makes you look like a sore loser (or, worse, it reflects poorly upon your good sense).
This same thing can be said regarding the situation of those who “bought in” to the Lost River/Lost Paradise, LLC. property: Did you research what kind of scene you were buying into? I personally know people who initially jumped at the opportunity to get a piece of this prime real estate and then decided against doing business with those people who were in charge. These decisions were based on many things BUT, most notably, on an understanding of the reputation and history of those people. I personally would not buy into a legally questionable land scheme that involved marijuana cultivation (even under 215 “protection”) with people who had already been busted by the feds in the relatively recent past (Which is a whole other part of the equation in question at this point.) If you are someone who bought into this situation and didn’t have the local insider info, once again, my sympathies are with you, but that’s what research is for.
Thus, when I heard on the local news Friday morning that the Feds described the main target of their operations as a “Home Grown Cartel”, I knew exactly what they meant. Not only that, I’m reasonably confident that those in question not only agree with this characterization of themselves, but are now wearing it proudly like a badge of honor.
This is the kind of element we are talking about here: People who actively, repeatedly and flagrantly break the law in pursuit of excessive profit and the strengthening of their “outlaw” identities. Their actions are not designed to highlight social justice issues (such as Cannabis legalization for medical use), it is profit and power.
How unfortunate that generic community mistrust of organized law enforcement and, in this case, misguided human rights concern, has led many well-intentioned social activists into unwittingly defending those people who have little concern for those issues themselves.
So, once again, welcome to Buddhaville!
June 29, 2008 at 4:42 am
linkhttp://humboldtherald.wordpress.com/2008/06/27/feds-go-home/#comment-41705link
Came across this on NY Times
June 29, 2008 at 4:45 am
humm it dosen’t work.. But if you copy-n-paste it in your browser you’ll see a video of a douch bag in Arcata letting the nytimes in his growroom
June 29, 2008 at 6:15 am
No, you posted a link to your comment.
June 29, 2008 at 7:27 am
Duuuuhhhhh!!! how silly of me. Hadn’t had my Latte yet.
June 29, 2008 at 7:32 am
I tried again I cant post the link But if you go to NY Times web sight, click on Video on the Nav. bar and search The Marijuana State. Shows u up close and Identifiable who the Dude was… I Hope the IRS catches up with him
June 29, 2008 at 8:48 am
Here’s the link to the video on the NY Times website.
June 29, 2008 at 8:52 am
Thanks I’m barley computer literate..
June 29, 2008 at 8:54 am
You’ll get it down with a little practice. Go here for some basic html instruction.
June 29, 2008 at 9:04 am
I don’t know if I want to find out… Right know I’m not to sure how you guys do it.. I think your Magical…
June 29, 2008 at 9:11 am
It’s all in the wrist.
June 29, 2008 at 9:25 am
Vere Tay, thanks for the post, this line of reasoning sounds familiar…..con artists and profiteers manipulating social activism for their self interests…..it’s the hazards of sticking your neck out that keep many people from standing up and being accountable….
June 29, 2008 at 9:44 am
PP; I must have made your “people to fuck with list” and I guess I should take that as a compliment for at least having gotten your attention, but……since you brought it up I want to take the opportunity of asking a question about the events of Friday June 20….that day had an unprecedented amount of chemtrails (not contrails) in the bright blue sky. Weather reports were not forecasting a storm system on the way yet that night we had thunder and lightening storms that started more than 200 fires….don’t tell me that scientists are not trying to control the weather, Tesla invented a weather machine that the gov stole from him. If you don’t believe me do the research and see that reality is sometimes stranger than fiction…..”In a time of universal deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act” George Orwell
June 29, 2008 at 9:47 am
Check out Prison Planet Kate. They have forums there full of people like you who believe every crazy conspiracy theory that comes along. You’ll fit in there much better and have even wilder stories to share on the local blogs.
June 29, 2008 at 9:51 am
So what you are saying is anything that you don’t know for yourself is a crazy conspiracy theory? do you believe that global warming is happening?
June 29, 2008 at 9:57 am
From what I have experienced, people who refuse to consider possibilities remain in the dark ages of reasoning long after others who take interest have moved into the renaissance….
June 29, 2008 at 10:06 am
I know global warming is occurring and that man’s activities are a major contributor. What does that have to do with chem trails and thunder storms? I was outside all day last Friday and watching the sky particularly closely and didn’t notice any unusual con trails. I prefer to focus on reality Kate. Your claims of chem trails and the government causing the storm are based on nothing but your own paranoid wishful thinking. It isn’t your fault. The government probably spiked your water.
June 29, 2008 at 10:10 am
Amazing! Perhaps you are not familiar with Chemtrails and wouldn’t know one if you saw one, most people think that they are the contrails of jets in flight, but if you watch them you will see a difference, contrails disappear, chemtrais become clouds. Keep looking at the sky, you’ll see.
June 29, 2008 at 10:16 am
…another thing about chemtrails, they make a criss-cross pattern in the sky and produce wispy clouds that later turn into a hazy cloud cover….oo oo oo oo
June 29, 2008 at 10:18 am
Kate, con trails behavior depends on the weather, the wind, humidity, etc. Your guesses from the ground as to whether a jet left behind a con trail or a chemical trail have no validity.
What rational reason would there be for the government to release chemicals to cause a thunder storm?
June 29, 2008 at 10:25 am
From what I understand the jet stream is used to spread the chemtrails in a way that produces clouds, I don’t know that they planned on starting fires, I only know because scientists say it is so that weather modifications are of great interest to Russia and the US and there is evidence in the sky that it is so. Google chemtrails and follow the path and draw your own conclusions.
June 29, 2008 at 10:38 am
I have read the whacked out bs about chem trails, Kate.
It’s all ridiculous and only pushed by people like Art Bell and his fellow con men who make their living duping the paranoid and gulible like you. Here’s a clue for you. Just because it comes up on google doesn’t make it true.
June 29, 2008 at 10:57 am
Sure you have, and you heard from the Naval officers who have sworn affidavits as to what they know, and NOAH testimony? How about the investigations in Medford and the Tesla machine information didn’t help you see the possibility? Next time you see a criss cross pattern of chemtrails in the bright blue sky and it rains soon afterward, think of me.
June 29, 2008 at 11:34 am
I heat tinfoil hats held together with duct tape is the only defense against chem train poisoning.
June 29, 2008 at 12:17 pm
hope it works when titan explodes
June 29, 2008 at 12:58 pm
Kate, the “evidence” you cite is basically:
(1) You saw contrails (which you and other have decided to call chemtrails when they have a certain appearance).
(2) The weather forecast didn’t say thunderstorms.
(3) There were thunderstorms.
Weather forecasts are frequently less-than-perfect in their accuracy. Weather systems are quite chaotic and notoriously hard to predict. Thunderstorms happen, sometimes without much warning. This is normal in the world of meteorology
So your “evidence” adds up to nothing more than you believe what you believe, and you fit the scanty facts into your pre-existing beliefs in a way that appears to confirm those beliefs.
Try using some critical thinking skills before you make the outlandish claims. Then you won’t waste so much time trying to defend the indefensible claims.
I feel sorry for those who think that listening to “Coast-to-Coast A.M.” and reading websites like “Prison Planet” constitutes doing research. They are condemning themselves to a life of paranoia and mistrust, and at the same time are wasting a lot of outrage on things that aren’t real, when there are so many real problems that this world faces.
June 29, 2008 at 1:13 pm
Hey Ver Tay,
” I personally know people who initially jumped at the opportunity to get a piece of this prime real estate and then decided against doing business with those people who were in charge. These decisions were based on many things BUT, most notably, on an understanding of the reputation and history of those people. I personally would not buy into a legally questionable land scheme that involved marijuana cultivation (even under 215 “protection” with people who had already been busted by the feds in the relatively recent past (Which is a whole other part of the equation in question at this point.) ”
Is this confirmation Of joshee-poo Hedlund’s involvement in Lost River LLC?
June 29, 2008 at 1:16 pm
As I’ve stated before in these posts with you but for one reason or the other you either do not remember or refuse to acknowledge, I will not enable you to believe anything against your will, I speak it as I see it from my own experience in life, you don’t have to believe as I do and I will treat you as a free American to the bitter end as much as is within my ability to do so. Whether you are a good or a bad person is none of my business at this point so i will not insult you as you have insulted me, I’m not trying to change your mind and resist your attempts to manipulate me to your way of thinking which I find obnoxious and unhealthy. i gain nothing by trying to lead you in the wrong direction because i have chosen to love people not cause them pain. If you need further evidence because you are mixed up on the subject don’t get mad at me about it, I never promised you a rose garden.
June 29, 2008 at 1:41 pm
Well said, Skeptic
June 29, 2008 at 1:49 pm
There was one arrest last week. Who got arrested? What was that all about?
June 29, 2008 at 2:32 pm
In other words, don’t try to engage me with your obnoxious logic and unhealthy insistence on verifiable facts, I’d rather just believe in what I want to believe in and make outlandish claims devoid of any real evidence?
I mean if that’s what you’re saying, then O.K. but what’s the point of trying to have any kind of discussion when one party doesn’t want to discuss facts and logic as it relates to their claims? You can say that you heard that the moon is made of green cheese, I can say where is your evidence, and you can say quit being obnoxious…but where does that get us?
June 29, 2008 at 2:35 pm
Extraordinary claims call for exraordinary evidence. But at least SOME real evidence would be a start. Unless you’re just into the “faith-based” science like the Bushies.
June 29, 2008 at 2:36 pm
Skeptical O., its just not possible to have a discussion using scientific principles with someone of “majical” thinking. Faith and belief aren’t amenable to evidence, repeatability, or verification. People who insist on having their own personal “facts” are fundamentally closeminded.
Society encompasses many systems of belief. People may believe the sun travels around the earth. But if they do they’ll never be able to create(or even conceptualize) satellites and space ships, among other things. And they will live constrained and limited lives, unable to adapt to and benefit from new knowledge.
At the same time, people may believe everything has a known and rational explanation. But if they do, they’ll never feel awe or be amazed by coincidences or act on insights from their imaginations.
June 29, 2008 at 2:52 pm
The Chem Trails were actually and verifiably being used to clear land for a Woodstockian, accessible by trail only, Homeless encampment, where there will be absolutely no violence, due to the absence of shopping malls, where according to Bill, are more plagued by violence than the average homeless camp.
Kate and Bill shall reign over this endeavor, with their trust sgt at arms, Tadly O’Plastic Bag, and peace shall rule the day, until somebody shanks somebody else for their shopping cart, and EPD is sued because of their uncaring lack of presence.
June 29, 2008 at 3:35 pm
In response to Beowulf’s question:
I have no idea whether Lost Paradise has anything to do with the Vilica issue. In fact, while I appreciated Mr. Custer’s off the record presentation and found it very informative, I also don’t agree that this issue was fueled by “code enforcement” disputes at it’s core. It was fueled by long-term flagrant criminal activity and law enforcements’ attempt to curb certain behaviors that overstep the boundaries of common sense and good taste.
When I stated that I knew people who decided against participating in Lost Paradise, LLC., I’m referring to local folks who considered becoming shareholders in the property venture and then came to the ultimate conclusion that it would not be in their long-term interest to do business in “Buddhaville”.
Ask any local Gen X-er in the community about Buddha. They’ve know him for years. He’s quite a character -almost to the point of being a caricature. His nickname says it all. In fact, it’s one of the more notably hilarious and facetious local aliases. While sometimes his antics have proved amusing, incredulous and entertainingly baffling, they are frequently a nuisance, but can also lean towards the egregious, dubious, shady and even slightly menacing.
Some of the “pleasures” of being a neighbor include: Listening to automatic gunfire at all hours of the night, worrying about environmental fall-out from “up-river” diesel spills, worrying local dogs will be intentionally run down on the roads, and the constant threat of law enforcement attraction to smaller, mom & pop grow scenes…
Savvy locals only had to hear several things this past week to get a general picture of what the story was with the visitation by the Feds (and breathe a sigh of relief if they had been worried about their own small grow scenes being hit):
Federal agents+Lost River+Buddha = NO SHIT SHERLOCK!
(and, as one person commented, “they’re lucky the ATF wasn’t there!” -recall my comment about automatic gunfire…)
Once again, my sympathies extend to those unfortunate rubes who got caught up in the mayhem. I hope they find the resources they need to get through this trying time. But these are exactly the kinds of things that happen in Buddhaville and its extended energetic environs.
If people feel offended that their community was “invaded” by flack-jacket wearing, gun-toting, warrant-waving federal agents, they’re blaming the messenger. People should ask themselves some very strong questions about the kind of community they live in that allows the kind of behavior that attracts this kind of law enforcement action.
It says a lot about what we’ve come to tolerate and what we’ve become.
Furthermore, regarding the frustration directed at the Feds for carrying out their operations during a fire crisis: How about re-directing that anger at the people who run the kind of scenes that warrant it necessary for Federal agents to continue an action in the middle of a crisis situation?
June 29, 2008 at 3:48 pm
what I said Skeptical Observer is you know where the information is, you can look it up just as I can, I see that it is possible because with my own two eyes I saw the chemtrails, noted what I’d seen and according to the evidence others have given me in written reports deduced that there would be rain and mother what rain there was! I haven’t the energy to spoon feed you or other skeptics who insult my intentions, like I said next time you see chemtrails criss crossed in the sky and it rains perhaps then you will remember that you insulted me and open your mind to possibilities beyond your limited scope……
June 29, 2008 at 3:53 pm
kate – why don’t you go down to Channel 3 and ask to see the tape of Jim Bernard’s weather forecast about the thunderstorms.
Start with that little piece of reality. And then MAYBE you will begin to get a grip on what is and isn’t real.
June 29, 2008 at 4:02 pm
Beowolf, Ver Tey and Others….
I have some questions in regards to these “LLC” developments that have been mentioned in the blogs..
1. How did the creations of these specific LLC subdivisions come about? Are there any minority shareholders? Straw Men?
2. What is the nature of the property rights interests in these subdivisions?
3. Are there any ’silent parties’ to these LLC psudo-subdivisions who weren’t living on these lands? – ie: developers, residual timber interests – a combination of both – or?
I’m wondering if there is a movement by the large landholding interests (who often wear two hats as timber/developers) to allow for these ’sharecropping’ settlements as an excuse to eventually subdivide and (later) create massive housing and suburban developments on their extensive landholdings – without violating any TPZ laws…?
June 29, 2008 at 4:02 pm
I don’t watch tv news but checked the internet for a trip to Redding
June 29, 2008 at 4:13 pm
DAMN, she knew she heard it somewhere. I was expecting thunder storms all day because of experience with the weather here. It exceeded my expectations considerably, but there was nothing paranormal about it. Or maybe it was the ALIENS!
June 29, 2008 at 4:24 pm
Well, kate you need to watch the LOCAL TV news weather reports. Jim Bernard is really good. I THINK he also has a forecast in the TS, but I may be mistaken.
June 29, 2008 at 4:59 pm
Sara:
You ask some great questions and I’m not knowledgeable enough to answer them.
My personal opinion on the whole illegal subdivision issue is pretty extreme. I think it sucks. While I believe that responsible homesteading and land stewardship is much more highly desirable than irresponsible timber management for profit, I think that illegal subdivision is gateway to a development hell that the north coast has managed to avoid.
The open and wild spaces, not to mention arable land, need to be preserved in perpetuity for the commons. Once people stake a claim to land (land-grabbing, as it is sometimes called), it is very difficult to bring it back into the public trust. This goes for more wild rugged lands as well as for more urban things like schools, libraries, public parks etc. In many cities there is an enormous problem with public land being sold off to developers who than make huge profits turning the properties into luxury condos, etc. The cities/school districts then realize that they have been had when the properties that were sold for pennies on the dollar are now worth millions of dollars more than they were originally appraised at. This is even more of a problem when suddenly, more school space is required to serve the community’s children and the districts realize they don’t have the resources to purchase/rebuild that school space that was “lost”.
I’m not the first to say it, but in its truest intention, zoning can exist to protect people and the public trust from irresponsible private development. We don’t need to do away with the current laws, we need to enforce current laws and maybe do some re-adjustment to be in sync with contemporary and future needs.
Just a little side note: This is the same issue as the Tooby Ranch disputes that many may be familiar with. This land, that should have remained undivided, was subdivided illegally. Because people built structures and developed the land before this illegal subdivision could be challenged by the county, the county ended up having less sway in being able to negate the subdivision. The rights of private ownership have taken precedence over the possible common good of keeping this piece complete.
In our country, private property rights of held very dear and sacred, even at the cost of the public and future good. While there are positive aspects to these private property rights, there can also be negative aspects when it comes to getting people (or companies) to adhere to environmental standards.
June 29, 2008 at 5:18 pm
and if I might add; relieve the suffering of the poor…
June 29, 2008 at 5:53 pm
So, to recap, you saw the “chemtrails” and your pre-existing belief told you it would rain and then, lo and behold, it DID rain. Therefore you concluded that the “chemtrails” CAUSED the rain.
Well, a dog barked this morning, and I thought my phone would ring, and then the phone DID ring. Therefore the dog MUST have caused the phone to ring.
You would have loved the Dark Ages, when everyone used your kind of logic to make sense of the world.
June 29, 2008 at 6:06 pm
Sara Winnemuuca: I believe these LLC subdivisions are the grotesque spawn of Josh Hedlund’s twisted and greedy mind; there purpose is to enrich the few (Josh and his coconspirators) at the expense of the many who had little to no legal rights to the “real property” they were “sold.” Those who were “sold” land at outrageous terms were in effect indentured servants or sharecroppers to our very own local landed gentry. Those small time and unsuspecting regular folks are now suffering the consequences: potentially being charged as part of a criminal conspiracy and losing their land. What a shame, a new low in North Coast history.
June 29, 2008 at 6:14 pm
WOW! WHERE CAN I GeT YOUR METH!!!!!!!!!!YOU GUYS AND THE CHEMTRAIL THING AND THE OTHER THING AND THE THING…..WHEWW…..I WANT SOME OF THAT………
June 30, 2008 at 7:34 am
Thanks, Rose, for stepping into this post. I was getting scared there for a minute.
How are these illegal properties even sold? You would think a title company would pick up the fact that they were subdivided illegally, or do the buyer/sellers even go through a title company? It appears to be a scam.
Another question: Who is this Buddha fellow?
June 30, 2008 at 7:53 am
The corporations and llc’s are diverse, with different operating models. Sometimes you see actual subdivision, often you don’t. Instead you may have condo-style covenants among shareholders, say. As people have pointed out, the payback for this watered-down ownership is lower up-front cost to shareholders in a time (until now) of bloated land costs. These systems did help people get on the land to build their dream homesteads.
As for code enforcement being at the root of the trouble, I don’t think that’s quite the point. This whole subject is– to use a truly disgusting metaphor that I beg people to help me replace with a less disgusting one–delving into this subject is like sipping from a spitoon: once you start you can’t stop, because it’s all connected.
It’s all connected to decades of Planning Department dysfunction, autonomy on the ground in backwoods areas, and Supervisorial indifference to county departments run as fiefs by people unqualified to lord over ants. Decisions were made in the grand Humboldt style, on the basis of personal relationships rather than stated policy, if even that rationally. Is it starting to make sense yet?
June 30, 2008 at 7:58 am
I think GOOGLE Earth has shown everyone what’s up.
June 30, 2008 at 9:41 am
can we get a link to the google earth images, or cordinates do we can find the image.
June 30, 2008 at 10:31 am
Buddha is a person who has achieved the spiritual state of bodhi.
June 30, 2008 at 11:00 am
….oh skeptical observer….possibilities do exist….
June 30, 2008 at 11:16 am
There are possibilities that Kate will put down the pipe (or syringe) and get a job. Not likely, but still a possibility.
June 30, 2008 at 11:41 am
Forgive me my nonsense as I also forgive the nonsense of those who think they talk sense. Robert Frost
June 30, 2008 at 12:14 pm
Kate,
Possibilities are one thing. Sure, “anything is possible” as they say.
Probability is quite another matter. Most of us like a bit more real evidence before we buy into theories, not just “I saw A, I predicted B, then I saw B, so A caused B.”
I don’t hate you or anything, Kate, and perhaps I’ve been too harsh in my critiques. I certainly admire your concern for the less fortunate, including the homeless, particularly as I was in that situation myself for quite some time and I have some idea how hard it is to pull oneself out of that situation.
But I do feel that you are worrying way too much about things like “chemtrails” as weather control, which I just don’t think are a real phenomenon. But it’s a free country (well in theory anyway!) and if you want to spend your energy on such matters that’s certainly up to you.
But unless you have something a lot more solid to point to in terms of evidence, you’re not likely to convince too many other folks. I’ll try to refrain from making my critiques too personal, though. There’s no reason for that really, it’s just real easy to go that route in this kind of forum where you never see the one you’re debating face to face. I see that same tendency with some of your posts, and Tad’s and Bill’s too, by the way. We can all stand some improvement in terms of civility at times.
Have a pleasant day, Kate.
July 1, 2008 at 1:13 pm
Skeptical Observer 12:14
Thank-you for your gracious apology, ditto.
As for your critiques, they are wasted if you think that I am trying to convince you or anyone else of what I think or believe. I like to have discussion, sometimes I get passionate about things I believe need to happen or things that are cruel and unnecessary, but these thoughts and beliefs are mine, not yours and i accept that. There is nothing wrong with disagreeing with anyone. The problem comes from those who think that their way is the only way, I hope we have gotten beyond that.
About chemtrails, I do not know if they are what I’ve been told they are, I offered my experience as a point of reference for further debate should anyone have information that I (and/or others) could learn from. I love to learn and am an adventurous person, often entering into ideas and places where most fear to go because of ridicule like what I’ve had from you. But, as Robert Cody said, “Have the courage to live, anyone can die”.
Since you have opened the dialog of being truthful about how you think of me let me reciprocate, I think that you have a narrow minded point of view and won’t admit to evidence that is against your point of view and I suspect you rage out of a sense of fear. I find myself wanting to laugh at you and try to respond with humor instead of disrespect. I wish you well………Kate
July 1, 2008 at 1:30 pm
You tried, Skeptical Observer.
July 1, 2008 at 3:32 pm
Real Property is the voice of the evil wizard, Josh Lonetree Hedlund! BEWARE!
June 25, 2009 at 12:09 am
wow! how Charlie Custer has changed his tune about corporate subdivision of TPZ land…now he’s one of Bill Barnum’s cheerleaders.