And other notes from the Board of Supervisors meeting
Humboldt County Supervisors voted Tuesday to extended the deadline for the Code Enforcement Task Force to complete its review and report back to supes.
Several people spoke in favor of the extension, including Supervisors Jill Geist and Johanna Rodoni, and task force member Dan Taranto. The Task Force needs to be “thoroughly steeped in the issues,” before making its final report, Taranto said.
McKinleyville resident and gadfly David Ellsebusch opposed the extension. The County can “save money by terminating its remaining code enforcement officer,” he said, and added that it shouldn’t take long for the committee to come up with findings and recommendations. “Very simple, basic findings have already been discovered.”
Elections certified
The results of the June 3, 2008 Humboldt County elections were certified following remarks by elections official Carolyn Crnich.
A 1200-page report with results by precinct is now online. Crnich patted a thick paper copy to illustrate the amount of paper used in an election, but noted that paper ballots allow recounts and independent audits of election results.
Crnich noted a study in Colorado that found 21% of people who counted ballots by hand disagreed with results produced by a machine. The same study revealed the hand-counters disagreed with each other a whopping 79% of the time.
The elections office automatically recounts a higher percentage of ballots than required by law to ensure confidence in local elections.
Elsebusch agreed that paper ballots work well, but said he encourages people not to vote absentee. There’s too much “opportunity for mischief,” he said, and it “causes people to vote prematurely before all facts are in.”
Crnich confirmed that some voters wanted their absentee ballots back because they’d changed their mind. “Once you put your ballot in the mail box you’ve put it in the ballot box,” she said. Things can change right up to election day, but it’s “not my intention to disenfranchise voters by telling them they can’t vote by mail,” she said. “Many find it a great convenience.”
Grand Jury Report accepted
The 2007-2008 Grand Jury Report got the official stamp of acceptance by Supervisors, but not before getting a verbal spanking by Elsebusch.
Supervisors apparently declined to testify about former County Counsel Tamora Falor, who walked away from her 20-year position with a $280,000 settlement five months before her contract ended. The settlement includes a hush clause and Humboldt County citizens have never learned the reason for the pay-out.
“Your failure and refusal to disclose what the Grand Jury asked you to disclose constitutes a conspiracy,” Elsebusch said. “You stonewalled the Grand Jury” with a “conspiracy of silence,” he said. “Shame on all of you whether you voted for it or not. This is bloody extortion.”
Elsebusch sued the County over the Falor matter in April 2007, but the case was tossed out of court. Elsebusch was represented by Eureka developer Rob Arkley’s Sacramento lawfirm, Trainor Robertson, but never admitted an Arkley connection to the lawsuit.
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July 2, 2008 at 7:24 am
I just love the county seal! What a beautiful place this must have been…
July 2, 2008 at 7:47 am
You should get a load of the beautiful paintings of old growth redwoods in the courthouse lobby. It give the impression the county actually treasures such things.
July 2, 2008 at 7:51 am
Peace be with you
Speaking of paintings, once a few years ago there were three paintings behind the supe, now there are only two. What happened to the third one? The supes play dumb when you ask them about it.
love eternal
tad
July 2, 2008 at 7:53 am
Tamara Falor was replaced by . . . (drum roll . . .) wunnerful Wendy Chaiten, who refuses to discuss ’sensitive personnel issues’ with her superiors, goes mush-mouthed when questions require answers, and isn’t detectably responsible for much besides keeping her job. Should her responsibilities be further reduced?
Thanks for the focused reporting, Heraldo, it’s very helpful. When people can follow the people in the news parade it actually gets interesting.
July 2, 2008 at 9:22 am
The worst part of the news parade is that they never wave. Makes me feel stupid having my arm up.
July 2, 2008 at 9:48 am
Johanna Rodoni seemed very pleased yesterday, I’m curious of what her conversations with the Taskforce sound like. It will be interesting to see how she votes on this issue.
July 2, 2008 at 10:33 am
How convenient that nothing happens till after ‘harvest’.
No wonder the federalies felt compelled to pay a visit.
Does anyone have any doubt that the whole TPZ boondoggle has now gone into the stall mode?
Building inspectors should have access to every inch of the area they serve just like the tax assessors.What is the difference?
July 2, 2008 at 10:39 am
The difference is that tax assessors need to be reigned in too. The rudest, most distrustful person I’ve ever met was a Humboldt County tax assessor. It’s no way to treat average law-abiding citizens.
July 2, 2008 at 10:47 am
Great idea 10:39, and the IRS too. We should be on the honor system as far as our income taxes too, right? People are all honest and can be trusted to do what’s right. In fact, let’s get rid of all the cops and lawyers too. We don’t need them either.
July 2, 2008 at 10:51 am
I was at a community meeting yesterday and someone made this comment “The fact that Humboldt is isolated from the rest of the state allows the powers to be to put into action many behind closed doors plans that are not agreed upon by voters or committees, such as Task Force groups. It’s like the wild west when families and businesses owned towns and the people living in them were left out of the mix.” My respose was “If that is true then we the people need to get busy and keep the gov honest and on task”.
July 2, 2008 at 10:51 am
I think every building inspector should have at least 450 federal agents at their back in convoy, in order to do a better job. Who could disagree with that?
Johanna Rodoni has been an engaged and constructive member of the Task Force.
July 2, 2008 at 10:54 am
July 2, 2008 at 10:58 am
No mention of the Deputy Sheriffs? One of the largest union rallies in Humboldt in recent years… and there’s nothing about it on the progressive blogs? What’s up with that?
These guys are on the front lines protecting public safety. Not only do they risk their lives on a daily basis, they showed a lot of courage when they endorsed Lovelace and Smith in the last election.
Now they need our support.
July 2, 2008 at 11:01 am
Isn’t our government a system of checks and balances? We supposedly have enough employees within the gov to take care of these duties so that laws are upheld within the system and workers don’t run rough shod over the populace, or do we? I’m looking forward to the taskforce report.
July 2, 2008 at 11:58 am
I’ve seen those paintings too and get a little creeped out. The style and composition reminds me of art from the Romantic Period that depict idealized mythical ancient Greek scenes.
The message I get is that the art is a replacement for, and even better than, the real thing.
Or maybe they’re a cynical tribute. Like a mafia funeral, where the killers send the biggest bouquets.
Whatever their intent was, they certainly don’t represent honor, respect, and admiration.
July 2, 2008 at 3:25 pm
Interesting the mention of Deputy Sheriffs union. Were they not a big supporter of Mark Lovelace in the 3rd district. Wonder when the payback is owed on that one.Lovelace, Smith, and Bonnie makes 3, very interesting that that was brought up on this site as a call to progeys.
July 2, 2008 at 3:40 pm
Yes – they sold themselves for a payraise. I am so disappointed I can’t even speak.
July 2, 2008 at 4:05 pm
Are you implying that our sheriffs’ supported Lovelace and Smith for a pay raise, HumRed?
July 2, 2008 at 4:08 pm
I am not HumRed but very blue and the answer to that is that it looks like it.
July 2, 2008 at 4:13 pm
So you think because they supported one candidate over another they probably did it for a pay raise rather than for the same reason the majority of Humboldt voters did, because they thought they would be the better person for the job? Neither you nor Red has a very high opinion of local law enforcement do you? Btw, Mark hasn’t taken his seat yet so can’t vote on it.
July 2, 2008 at 4:37 pm
The problem is not Mark Lovelace.
The problem is that the Democratic Party has never met a public employee union that they haven’t fallen in love with.
Prison guards, firemen, cops, sanitation workers, teachers and on and on.
I am all for unions, the right to organize is very important but unions should not have quite as much power within a political party.
We are rapidly approaching a two tier society, those who work for the government and those who don’t. Those who do have benefits, those who don’t, don’t.
have a peaceful day,
Bill
July 2, 2008 at 5:15 pm
I am all for unions, the right to organize is very important but unions should not have quite as much power within a political party.
Well… the other major political party doesn’t seem to want them, so where do you suggest they go?
We are rapidly approaching a two tier society, those who work for the government and those who don’t. Those who do have benefits, those who don’t, don’t.
You going to blame that on public employee unions and the Democratic Party? If government workers have benefits and their unions are strong, doesn’t that mean that the unions are doing what they’re supposed to be doing?
Unions work. That’s a good thing. We need to strengthen private sector unions to get similar results for those employees.
July 2, 2008 at 6:11 pm
Shane,
If the all the private sector had the benefits of the current public sector employees, the government couldn’t afford the benefits they are paying. The taxes and other shifts of money from the private sector to the public sector are what supports the fat cat public workers. Add to the private sector burden and something has to give. There isn’t enough profit to cover it.
July 2, 2008 at 6:36 pm
There are lots of companies that have just as good or better benefit packages than government workers. It’s a matter of priorities of where the company decides to spend their money. In recent years there has been a documented shift of money from the workers to the owners. It’s time for a reversal of that trend.
July 2, 2008 at 6:47 pm
Yes, GM has great packages, so do the airlines. Oh wait, they’re going broke.
July 2, 2008 at 7:11 pm
The fact remains that the top level bracket income tax cuts have encouraged employers to cut wages and benefits and pocket the money themselves regardless of what happens to GM and the airlines. That will be reversed or our economy will tank and take almost everyone down with it.
July 2, 2008 at 8:41 pm
Jane,
What fucking world do you live on. Yes I’m sure on the web sites you read such a shift is occuring. The fact remains, bullshit you never have a valid statistic to back up any of the progey garbage you spout. All the facts over the last 40 fucking years since JFK say that tax cuts increase the economy. Many factors have caused whats going on now but it sure as fuck was not tax cuts. Look up percentage of total that top 10% income earners pay in taxes.
Course what do I know, BA in Econ., 30 years business experiance, and just for fun a friend who I’ve known for 25 years Dr. Art Laffer. Someone who I believe knows a bit more about Econ. than yourself so I’m believing him.
July 2, 2008 at 8:52 pm
10:33,
what is it you can’t understand about the 4th amendment to the constitution:
Amendment IV
“The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.”
got that? ” no warrants shall issue, except upon probable cause…”
if you want to repeal or alter the 4th amendment – part of the bill of rights for goodness sake – just so that building inspectors can roam around at will, and without probable cause, you’re going to have to go through whole process for a constitutional amendment. lotsa luck with that. in the meantime, most americans actually like the fact that the government isn’t supposed to roam around on your property, or without a proper warrant. that includes the magical no-probable-cause “inspection” warrants that the county bureaucrats have been using, which only require a much lower standard of “a reasonable *perception* that some non-conformity *may* exist.”
if you want to live in a country where government inspectors don’t need warrants to come onto your land and do a search without your permission, try north korea, or perhaps iran. i’m sure you’ll love the “orderliness” of such an arrangement.
July 2, 2008 at 8:58 pm
There is now proof that cutting taxes for the top earners has had a definite impact on not only the wages of their employees but charitable institutions as well. As productivity increased the owners stopped sharing it equitably with the workers because they could keep more and pay less in taxes which they did and that shifted money from the workers to the owners. Those real cuts in wages and benefits have caused people to either stop buying anything but necessities or go deep into debt to maintain their lifestyles and now that they have run out of credit they are losing their houses and not spending money and the economy is in the toilet. You should get a refund on your degree if you can’t see that.
July 2, 2008 at 9:10 pm
I’m underwhelmed by conservatives college degrees. Dubya has a BA from Yale in history and a Masters in Business from Yale. Nuff said.
July 2, 2008 at 9:15 pm
HumRed, you actually cite Laffer, of the infamous “Laffer Curve” as a reason we should take you seriously!?
The “Laffer Curve” was & is nothing but fantasy scenario where lowering taxes supposedly stimulates the economy enough to offset the lower tax rates with increased volume of taxable income.
Well, Bush lowered taxes, at least on the rich. There was some “stimulus” at least for the rich and upper-middle class and their servants, like yourself. But did an increased volume of economic activity result in the same or higher tax revenues despite the lower tax rate, as the “Laffer Curve” predicts? Our huge and growing federal deficit and debt suggests otherwise.
Clinton (and the Republican Congress) raised taxes and the economy didn’t tank, it boomed. They balanced the budget, which improved the value of our currency on the world market (making things like gasoline more affordable). Even started, just slightly, to pay down the actual national debt.
Then came the Bushies with their borrow-and-spend approach, bankrupting the country even as they cut taxes for the wealthiest, always making the same claim as Laffer, that lowering tax rates would stimulate the economy thereby making up the loss of tax revenues from the lower rates with now-higher overall volume of income to be taxed. But once again, it hasn’t happened, our currency has plunged (increasing the cost of things like gasoline) and leaving us the world’s biggest debtor nation, and continuing to take on debt like the Titanic took on water.
The proof is in the pudding and Laffer is laughable.
I guess next you’ll be telling us how great “trickle-down economics” are, right?
July 2, 2008 at 9:18 pm
and he would whip you in a debate
July 2, 2008 at 9:26 pm
Laffer gained prominence because he told people what they wanted to hear.
July 2, 2008 at 9:27 pm
i’d be more willing to consider a raise for our deputy sheriffs if they hadn’t been so willing to go gallivanting around the county with desadier and his krazy kode kops, using the magical no-probable-cause code enforcement “inspection warrants” as a trojan horse to gain improper entry to private properties for pot searches, crossing onto other properties with their made-up “open field doctrine,” and in at least one case shouting at and waving a gun in the face of an unarmed young mother with an infant on her hip and a young child at her side, for no reason other than to get her to “hurry up” and get out of her home in seconds rather than a minute or two, all for the benefit of the code raiders.
if they want higher pay, they need to show better judgement, more respect for the public they “serve,” and a much greater degree of overall professionalism, not to mention the courage to at least face an unarmed mom with two little kids without having to hide behind their gun.
let’s see better behavior from the cops, then we’ll talk about better pay.
better pay right now would imply that they are meeting or exceeding the basic expectations of their jobs. in too many cases they are not.
July 2, 2008 at 9:35 pm
A debate with Laffer would be like a debate with Charles Manson, he’d surely believe he’d won, and so would his warped followers. At any rate, like most gutless conservatives who pander to those who pay their way, Laffer spends his time preaching to the converted, like HumRed and the rest of the trickle-down stooges, since they won’t trouble him with inconvenient facts or opposing viewpoints.
Debates aside, the proof is in the pudding, and the Laffer Curve is in the garbage heap of history, (right alongside) “trickledown economics,” “seperate but equal,” the “domino theory” and the rest of the discredited ultra-conservative worldview.
July 2, 2008 at 9:56 pm
HumRed,
Dr. Laffer is a joke, the Laffer Curve is a complete fraud. The basis of Reaganomics is a complete fraud. We have the proof now. Read the paper.
have a peaceful day,
Bill
July 2, 2008 at 10:09 pm
Let’s see,
Ronald Reagan comes into office, national debt is 1 trillion. Reagan leaves office, national debt is 3 trillion.
George Bush comes into office, national debt is 4 trillion, George Bush will leave office (we hope) with a 10 trillion national debt.
Tax revenues go up because of deficit spending artificially inflating the economy. Sadly the deficits grow FASTER than the increased revenues.
Reagan came closer to bankrupting the U.S. than anyone – until now that is.
Those tax revenues sure have increased uh huh. Please Dr. Laffer go crawl under a rock.
have a peaceful day,
Bill
July 2, 2008 at 10:19 pm
HumRed, Jane is absolutely correct.
As Fed Chairman in 2006, Alan Greenspan testified to congress that in his opinion, despite robust economic growth, there was a growing disparity of wealth that represented a security risk to the country.
The effect of the tax cuts may have stimulated GNP as you say, but at the same time the gini index(measure of inequality) increased.
Saying Bush’s tax cuts helped this country is like a surgeon saying “The operation was a success, but the patient died”
It is a fact that the top earners pay most of the taxes. But its merely crumbs to them. And they don’t want to give a penny that might be used to strengthen the Government’s ability to regulate and oversee their corporate activities, so thay lobby for all manner of special deductions and exemptions that only they take advantage of to drect money to places that benefit them, like conservative non-profit foundations.
And by the way you didn’t comment about Exxon profits or the NY Stock Exchange Chairman Grasso getting a $258 Million severance package. I’m sure the employees of both organizations got nice bonuses all down the line. I’ve worked for Government and private industry and private industry paid much better, had better benefits, and offered more opportunity for advancement. As far as retirement plans, I didn’t pay into social security when working for the Federal Government, so it was a little better.
July 2, 2008 at 10:26 pm
highb are you high? or just a party line lib? or both? party lines are bad for us all, lay off the dope and the partisan bs and you’ll be better off.
July 2, 2008 at 10:32 pm
So, 10:26, do you believe in the tax cuts for the wealthiest, and worship the magical Laffer Curve? If so, how do you dispute the simple facts cited above that show that it has never worked in the real world?
Oh that’s right, you didn’t dispute the facts, you just ignored the facts and resorted to lame personal attacks on the person stating the facts. Real impressive.
July 2, 2008 at 10:43 pm
hey, not a native, i’m actually on your side on this one!
one new development to note is that that neocons like bush have now taken a new approach: while they still pay lip service to the idea of deficit reduction and fiscal restraint, they are quite happy to run up a huge deficit while they are in office, then when a democrat is in office (watch out obama) there will be nothing for a responsible person to spend since he will have left them with incredible debt. then the neocons will suddenly be interested in cutting the deficit again, namely by further cuts to the social safety net.
they call this their “starve the beast” strategy: just bankrupt the government, then cutting social safety net programs and privatizing social security will be easier to push later. meanwhile their cronies in the defense industry, like halliburton and the carlyle group, and also their “faith-based” supporters in the far-right-wing fundamentalist churches with their own “charities” will all get fat government paychecks in the meantime.
o.k., so maybe it’s not that new. but the term “starve the beast” is a pretty recent one that republicans themselves have coined to describe the idea of bankrupting the government to force the dismantling of the social safety net.
July 2, 2008 at 10:50 pm
They stopped talking about drowning government in the bathtub after Katrina. It held too many negative connotations.
A guy from Bush’s faith based office wrote a book a while back that talked about how they didn’t even keep their promises to the churches to support their programs when private contributions dried up due to the tax cuts. No one really believes that trickle down BS, but they have to claim they do or admit they are greedy bastards who don’t care about what is best for this country.
July 2, 2008 at 10:53 pm
I am a libertarian socialist. A left libertarian. A Free Socialist.
And I am an Anti-Republican.
I don’t march to orders from either Republican or Democratic Central. I am closer in spirit obviously to most Democrats but I think the Democratic party as an institution has failed completely as an effective opposition to the murderous and corrupt Bush Regime.
I advocate for multiparty democracy and the end of the “two party system.”
I advocate the complete legalization of marijuana.
have a peaceful day,
Bill
Anonymous Says:
July 2, 2008 at 10:26 pm
highb are you high? or just a party line lib? or both? party lines are bad for us all, lay off the dope and the partisan bs and you’ll be better off.
July 2, 2008 at 11:16 pm
Jane Doe, I learned alot from your posts, thanks. Not being interested in numbers, my field is anthropology and psychology, it’s been difficult for me to be as succinct as you when explaining the disservice done to the American people by cutting taxes to the rich. The more you make the more you pay, or I do anyway. I pay close to a third of my earnings in taxes and I’m not rich, nor can I afford it. Do the rich pay a third of their wealth in taxes? Why not? They can afford to do so, or better yet give more benefits to their employees, either or…
July 2, 2008 at 11:20 pm
Highboldtage, how in the world are we ever going to get the playing field opened up for a multi party system? Is it the money that is used to buy votes, should we limit the amount of money a candidate can use and open up the media to give equal coverage free to all candidates?
July 2, 2008 at 11:24 pm
Jane Doe Says:
July 2, 2008 at 6:36 pm
There are lots of companies that have just as good or better benefit packages than government workers. It’s a matter of priorities of where the company decides to spend their money.
Are we talking in the U.S. or in Humboldt County? If Humboldt County, I disagree with you as the businesses here can’t compete with the salaries and benefits the County “government” pays.
As for other comments re tax cuts for wealthiest people – well Bill Gates is laughing all the way to the bank with GWB’s tax cuts. You have to remember that his father is very wealthy and makes a lot of money each year – tax cut for him. VP Cheney – tax cut for him. And then for GWB – tax cut for him too. Think about how many people got the wealthy tax cut for several years.
Did you get a tax cut? Probably paid a “little more” in taxes than before. Someone in a prior post mentioned Regan and his “tricle down” politics. Never tricled down at all and never does. Regan was smart in California as when he wanted everyone to pay more taxes he had more taxes taken from our paychecks as we were used to paying $100 or so and then the first year of the “more taxes” taken, more than $600 was taken from may paycheck and I still owed a little more than $100. Lots of people that I knew didn’t think anything about that except I figured out that I had just paid over $600 in withheld taxes and paid a “little more” than I had paid in the last year. To me that added up to over $700 and not the $100 I paid for years even though I didn’t earn $700 more a year.
Greenspan was one of the most intelligent people that ever set interest rates and as was stated above knew when we were on the wrong trail. Where are we going now? Gas prices going up – GWB plus most of his cabinet are oil men – do they care? Probably not as they are making a lot of money from our high gas prices. The billions of dollars being spent on the “war” – are we going to bankrupt the country because the “military” we are supposed to be training in Irac won’t take over? How many years does it take them to be “trained”?? Some of our military that have been sent there have been in boot camp for how many weeks and they are supposed to train the military there.
Usually in hard money times for the U.S. a “war” makes money, but this one is taking all the money that should be spent here for a lot of things. Add up all the billions that have been spent and if that much money had been spent here we would all have free health insurance and possibly everyone would have a home too. When this “war” started we heard that their “oil” would pay for the “war” but they keep getting blown up and we don’t seem to be getting any oil from them and maybe no one else is getting oil either. Saddam had millions in cash and who knows how much in bank accounts from the oil as well as his cabinet that also had lots of money stashed from the oil and the military was being paid for by the oil. The country is still very poor and I don’t think anything has really changed except for the leaders so we should give everyone that is wealthy a tax break as the “poor little darlings” just can’t give money to their favorite politician if they are taxed too much.
July 2, 2008 at 11:41 pm
I would guess that Everegreen Pulp and Carlson Wireless pay benefits that equal government’s. And of course the hospitals too. But in general in Humboldt, Government offers better pay for middle level jobs like clerks and technicians. I’d guess Security National pays high level emplyees very well, better than Governement.
July 2, 2008 at 11:52 pm
PG&E, PacBell, City Garbage, State Comp, and many others have great benefit packages and decent wages.
July 3, 2008 at 12:03 am
I generally agree with your point of view, 11:24, but if you can’t spell “Reagan” correctly, it kind of hurts your credibility when you cite facts and figures and so on. The problem is that if you don’t have the details right on something as simple as the guy’s name, and he was the president for 8 years, why would the reader think that you had other, more obscure facts straight? I know, it’s not fair, but that is one of the hazards of being a poor speller. I’m not sure if spellcheck would have helped you on that one, but it might have…
July 3, 2008 at 12:14 am
If that’s all you could come up with, you should stick to picking your zits.
July 3, 2008 at 12:22 am
Real mature, 12:14…Maybe you should take your own advice.
July 3, 2008 at 12:22 am
People frequently mispell words and lack punctuation when blogging. Who has time for that anal retentive crap? That’s part of using the blog system, you just got down what your thinking at the moment. Can you not get past the spelling thing or is that the only way you know how to pick apart this persons response? You missed their point entirely!
July 3, 2008 at 1:06 am
Actually I agreed with their point, acknowledged that I was nit-picking, and just made the point that misspelling Reagan’s name was probably going to cost them credibility with folks that didn’t agree with their point, since these folks are likely to dismiss any factual claims as likely to be inaccurate like the spelling of the name is. What’s the big problem with any of that? It seems to me that you’re putting a lot of effort into nitpicking the nitpicker. Kind of ironic, don’t you think?
July 3, 2008 at 7:21 am
I wonder why the Democratically controlled congress passed all these budgets?
July 3, 2008 at 7:27 am
In your little Bush bashing frenzy, I guess you guys forgot about that. You are also forgetting that at the end of Clinton’s 2nd term we were near a recession and the fact that although the taxes were cut, the enormous burden on business in the form of asinine rules (see ADA lawsuits) constitutes a huge, hidden tax and that the bottom 50% of wages earners pay essentially no taxes at all and the top 5% pay about 60% of the taxes.
July 3, 2008 at 7:27 am
People who have to pick on a silly spelling error when they can’t refute the message aren’t likely to give it any more credence without spelling errors.
July 3, 2008 at 7:30 am
Corporations in the 1950’s paid more than 30 percent of all the taxes collected in the US. Now corporations pay less than 10 percent of the taxes.
That is a huge “hidden tax” on all the rest of us PEOPLE. Corporations are not PEOPLE.
have a peaceful day,
Bill
July 3, 2008 at 4:45 pm
Ya, college degrees mean little, nor does real world experiance. Oh, that fucking laffer, who makes millions of dollars a year as an international consultant, he knows shit.
Fucking colleges USC and Pepperdine, made him head of department Econ. for years, dipshits.
But progey bloggers who in many cases would pay no taxes if we did not tax SSI. Who never created jobs, or wealth, or anything of lasting value, yes we should trust them. Let them make the rules.
I come form a world where the person who does the work, takes the risk, enjoys the profit, sorry I will not appoligize or feel bad. I give back to my community, pay big taxes, and treat my employees as well as I am able. Its what makes sense, not cause I have to, or cause some bullshit group tells me what I have to do with them. These are concepts that most progeys do not understand as they work for others in general and have a limited view of how business really works.
It comes down to who earned the money, and others who did not, wanting to tell them how they know better to spend it. I happen to feel that is bullshit.
Government is a service, its like buying bread and saying because I make more money I should pay more for my loaf.
Fuck that shit.
July 3, 2008 at 6:12 pm
Seig…Heil!
July 3, 2008 at 6:39 pm
what kind of bread? and where are you buying it? cuz bread and cheese….are C A S H ……..but yea if it will make it cheaper for me if you pay more, then by all means. im for it.
July 3, 2008 at 6:52 pm
It is labor that creates wealth. It is labor that creates jobs.
It is labor that creates things of lasting value.
Even Adam Smith and Ricardo understood this. Please.
have a peaceful day,
Bill
July 3, 2008 at 8:10 pm
“A Comparison of Marx’s versus Ricardo’s Labor Theory of Value
There are both similarities and differences between David Ricardo’s and Karl Marx’s perspectives of the labor theory of value. First we will review Ricardo, and then we will contrast it to Marx.
As you recall from earlier discussion, Ricardo stated that prices = wages + profit (rent zero) because wages and profits determined prices while prices determined rent.
Rent was pushed to the margin and was zero for the least fertile parcel of land. For Ricardo, labor embodied in commodities was the primary determinant of prices”
http://economic-theory.blogspot.com/2008/06/comparison-of-marxs-versus-ricardos.html
have a peaceful day,
Bill
July 3, 2008 at 8:20 pm
Yeah, we don’t need individuals who risk their life savings on bold ideas. No use for them. We just need laborers.
July 3, 2008 at 8:31 pm
Let me draw a word picture for you.
There are some peeps on a desert island coz the little ship went astray.
It is raining and the peeps are cold wet and miserable. They all have the bold idea of building a shelter.
Thurston Howell puts his life savings – $100,000 in a pile on the beach. It is “capital.”
The Professor and Mary Anne and Gilligan start cutting vines and gathering dead fall. In two days they have a workable though primitive shelter.
There is still a pile of “capital” on the beach. It is unused though something of value has been created. It has been created by labor.
It’s never too late to learn, Skipper.
have a peaceful day,
Bill