Randy Gans "implores" the Eureka City Council on behalf of Security National.
The Eureka City Council voted 4-1 to approve a Coastal Development Permit for Phase 1 of the Marina Center project at Tuesday’s meeting. Councilman Larry Glass cast the dissenting vote.
The hearing featured another passionate plea from project proponent Randy Gans and a long public comment period mostly in support of the permit.
But a last-minute letter from the State Lands Commission (SLC) put a dent in the party atmosphere. The SLC wrote that the city’s approval may be “without legal authority” due to title and boundary disputes over the Balloon Track property.
Larry Basil, an attorney for proponents Security National, decried the SLC saying it could delay the project for “years if not decades.” Basil said his clients offered to settle 3 1/2 years ago but hasn’t heard back from the SLC.
In contrast, SLC wrote that Security National failed to respond to settlement instructions submitted just two months ago.
The motion to approve the permit was passed with amendments drafted by City Attorney Sheryl Schaffner which require dispute resolution before Phase 1 can begin. If disputes remain unresolved by April 1, 2010 the Council will meet to decide the next step.
Before the public comment period Mayor Virginia Bass again instructed residents to refrain from clapping or making personal comments at the podium.
But Councilman Frank Jager went rogue at the end of the hearing and blasted environmental groups Humboldt Baykeeper, EPIC and the Northcoast Environmental Center as “extortionists” for threatening to sue the city.
Perhaps Jager will apologize at the next Council meeting for his slanderous statement.
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November 4, 2009 at 1:04 am
what’s funny in a sick way is that hardly any speakers actually addressed the subject of the hearing (which was the Coastal Development Permit).
In fact, few of the City Council members seemed to understand what they were voting on. Leonard noted that the enviros didn’t threaten to litigate…Well, that may be due to the fact that the next action for a Coastal Development Permit would be an appeal to the Coastal Commission.
And anyone who can read and use the internet can see that the Coastal Commission opposes the EIR, so would presumably oppose the Coastal Development Permit on the same grounds.
BUT it was clear that just about no one at the hearing had actually gotten informed on anything of substance. Rather, they thought it was a popularity contest. Good luck on that approach with the Coastal Commission!
November 4, 2009 at 6:08 am
What was crystal clear last night, as in the previous meetings, is that Councilman Glass mistakes righteousness with intellect.
H.H. you say “mostly in favor” IF you watched on TV as I did you would have seen the number of people speaking for moving forward was 32…against 3. You want to spin that into “mostly” that’s your blogging privilege.
November 4, 2009 at 6:15 am
How many of those 32 even knows what an EIR looks like or knew what the meeting last night about? None. “just git’ er done…” Chants of the Rob’s “chardonnay activists” who swing by the Arkley Center for a glass of wine, a sweatshirt and some talking points and off to the meeting we go in lockstep!! The sweatshirts should be brown, not blue.
November 4, 2009 at 6:42 am
It’s cute how you marginalize all that take a different view than you. That’s not a new tactic, bullies and sore losers have been using it since the dawn of time.
November 4, 2009 at 6:49 am
Chris Crawford said “git er done”
Linda Atkins didn’t just vote for this travesty she seconded the motion.
The corruption in the City is so obvious they could see all the way at the State Lands Commission.
I doubt the courts or the Coastal commission won’t see it.
All you Arkley cultist hold your breath.
November 4, 2009 at 7:15 am
Gans sells Kool aid by the palette
November 4, 2009 at 7:18 am
slander refers to statements against a person. They are non-profit organizations not people, unless the heraldo is arguing for non-profit personhood!
November 4, 2009 at 7:23 am
Non-profit personhood…that’s an idea Pete and Michelle and all their brown noser kool-aid drinking-cultish followers could really get behind!
November 4, 2009 at 7:28 am
The support seems to be for the Center. Does this represent the community as a whole?
November 4, 2009 at 7:29 am
I see a great deal of support for Marina Center but I see an almost universal support for the CLEAN-UP.
November 4, 2009 at 7:50 am
Frank Jager was right on saying they are extortionists. Settling lawsuits is how they buy copier paper. This time they’re going to be stuck with court costs, theyre going to be working out of Pete’s garage. He has has a garage-right? Well he can always use a computer at the library.
November 4, 2009 at 7:59 am
It’s comforting to see that some of you listen to Rush for some reason or another. He uses the term “drinking koolaid” to describe all the lockstep Obama liberals who act like lemmings and do as He says…much like the murdering cult leader Jim Jones did in
in 1988. Unlike them, the Arkley chardonnay (and FYI Sauvignon Blanc is en vogue now) drinkers can actually think for themselves. WHAT a concept! But thanks again for quoting Rush. I’m sure he would love it.
November 4, 2009 at 8:04 am
Your glee will be short live it’s all bad news for you Arkleyvillians from now on.
November 4, 2009 at 8:10 am
Rush is a druggie.
November 4, 2009 at 8:10 am
Bad news is what…that you are schlepping back to Arcata where you came from?
November 4, 2009 at 8:15 am
The Coastal Commission will break a few hearts very soon
November 4, 2009 at 8:16 am
Linda Atkins didn’t just vote for this travesty she seconded the motion.
The corruption in the City is so obvious they could see all the way at the State Lands Commission.
Or maybe she sees that there are very few people showing up to oppose the project and figures she’s representing her constituents. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t want to see another big box on the Eureka Waterfront. But if I was representing Eureka I’d probably have to conclude that the opposition is marginal.
November 4, 2009 at 8:22 am
Regarding the SLC monkey wrench……..
Remember the previous conversations/comments about “real estate” before on other threads about property disclosures during real estate transactions in the past with Title Companies and uses – the process to amend or insure has it’s moments of inaction and/or fraud while trying to doctor, amend or fix a property’s title back to a “standing state” that conforms with all vested interests. Not sure exactly of what this latest twist is, but this comment below is very telling:
Basil said his clients offered to settle 3 1/2 years ago but hasn’t heard back from the SLC. (Larry Basil, an attorney for proponents Security National) In contrast, SLC wrote that Security National failed to respond to settlement instructions submitted just two months ago.
My response = So, S.N. purchased the property with a known lien, encumbrance or other defect? Was this known at the beginning of this whole process for the Marina Center? If not, the picture painted shows of a conspiracy to ram through a project before certain legal time frames “kick in”. Further, were possible claims being looked at as expiring due to potential contrived prescriptive rights takings based on past Ballon Track “site specific” uses and activities?
Also, it is evident that S.N. KNEW what COULD happen to the Marina Project when this portion of the comment was given:
[Larry Basil, an attorney for proponents Security National, decried the SLC saying it could delay the project for “years if not decades.”]
My response = The other vested interest(s) MAY BE waiting for LEVERAGE to get a better settlement OR are waiting to do some real legal damage if their demands are not agreed to.
“The motion to approve the permit was passed with amendments drafted by City Attorney Sheryl Schaffner which require dispute resolution before Phase 1 can begin. If disputes remain unresolved by April 1, 2010 the Council will meet to decide the next step.”
My response = The city attorney KNOWS this is now a really thin ice situation, thus protection of the jurisdiction was necessary. If no resolution of the matter occurs prior to the April date, then tableing the project for now is the only decision that can be made until all legal claims are “legally verified and authenticated“.
“But Councilman Frank Jager went rogue at the end of the hearing and blasted environmental groups Humboldt Baykeeper, EPIC and the Northcoast Environmental Center as “extortionists” for threatening to sue the city.”
My response = What about the SLC claim? Anyhow, yes, lawsuits suck. However, what sucks worse is knowing from first hand experience that “public agencies, boards, commissions, employees, etc…” do make mistakes; AND, also make MORE than just mistakes that are, at times, bordering along criminal conduct. PROCESSES may or may not be stewarded; may or may not be guided within the proper guidelines; may or may not offer all legal remedies; may or may not involve honest workmanship by the public jurisdiction; may or may not involve honest representation by the public jurisdiction; may or may not DISCLOSE ALL INFORMATION, etc….
Frank, this is why the City of Eureka gets sued from time to time; so, take a little responsibility and exert your “respondet superior” powers that have been bestowed upon you in order that those that work under you and who support you, are also supporting you honestly, truthfully, factually, responsibly and all the other good accolades that go with “putting yor foot down” to ensure that government interactions are “straightforward, direct, to-the-point, not manipulative, deceitful nor acting like a tyrant.
………ah, the enigma of the Ballon Track continues, so, hopefully those in need of some work/jobs will be sympathetic toward “legal claims” over property. Afterall, if these same workers had a claim of their own, how would they feel if their claim became sub-ordinate to the needs of others to make money off of that which the claim is based against. This is not the time for greed, it is the time to get things correct so that moving forward is appropriate and justifiably recognized as being appropriate – just another reason why “respondet superior” is so important (jobs and livlihoods).
Jeffrey Lytle
McKinleyville – 5th District
November 4, 2009 at 8:35 am
Frank Jaeger spoke the truth. It was good to hear a politician speak up.
Linda Atkins has faced the reality. She knows that if the Marina Center was put to a vote, it would pass overwhelmingly.
November 4, 2009 at 8:39 am
Rush is a druggie, Anon? Well that’s the ole “takes one to know one thing” . He has gone through rehab, probably not unlike a few of your buds have…NPI. Or maybe they wish they had the balls to GO through rehab. As for glee, NAKD– the proof is in the Marina City Grand Opening, my man.
November 4, 2009 at 8:58 am
Frank is very disappointing.
Linda added that she was against the project.
November 4, 2009 at 9:11 am
If I had my choice, there would be NO chain stores within a small town’s city limits, kinda like Arcata has done it- they keep most of the chains outside- at Valley West. Eureka is different from Arcata though- it has serious issues. I think there is support for this project from the community. I personally think we have a pathetic mall, but every town apparently wants a mall. Look at what it did to downtown- but it seems inevitable.
I would like to see Pierson’s, Shafer’s etc continue to prosper- I really hope Home Depot doesn’t ruin them, but I admit I do like Home Depot. What I really care about it a better looking Balloon Track Tract (and a healthy clean-up) but also we need to fix Broadway- it is such an ugly, depressing slum and is the gateway to Eureka- that’s all you see when you drive in.
November 4, 2009 at 9:28 am
Frank Jager already fixed Broadway and the west side last time he was on the council. I read it in his campaign literature. Move on.
have a peaceful day,
Bill
November 4, 2009 at 9:48 am
I hate to be the one to back up chain stores, but…
Most folks can’t afford to shop at some expensive ass stores all the time. Many of the working folks in Arcata are struggling to pay off some student loans and credit card debts and such. Thus, dollar tree and whatnot are wildly popular.
Small-town business tends to fuck up when it comes to workers. They fuck up with OSHA, they fuck up with labor laws, they don’t provide any benefits, and they generally have high turnaround. This just isn’t acceptable to folks not dedicated to living in poverty forever, so many hard workers simply leave Arcata.
Stack all that on the fact that Arcata is a college town. A good portion of the workforce are pseudo-educated unexperienced hotshots who get hired on the cheap, screw off, fuck up, and quit.
Chain stores don’t have these problems. Chain stores have established, corporate-mandated work policies. They follow labor codes to the letter. They have hella good insurance so if anything does go wrong, they ain’t crying about it. Besides their being ugly and sucking wealth out, I don’t really see the big problem with chain stores.
Arcata’s wealth seems to be concentrated in landowners/developers, slave money families, good ole boys, and ranking government/education types. The true entrepreneurs in Arcata have a hard time fitting in with the old guard. They have to make a lot of sacrifices just to do business in Arcata. Thus, I think Arcata is not really business-friendly. To do business in Arcata, you have to be dedicated. That, or move operations to Tijuana and become part of the slave money family class.
In Arcata, there is a stark difference between the well off and ultra-poor. I think it will boil over some day and this whole nicey-nice pro mom and pop stuff will fall apart.
But anyway, the Marina Center is kinda dumb. At least the neighborhood surrounding it already sucks, so it is not like they are going to ruin that. I really hope they put a burrito truck and a check cashing spot in. The whole scenario is unfortunate for the local contractors who will be on the one hand buying supplies slightly cheaper but on the other hand getting the shaft since Home Depot hires lowest bidder garbage ass subcontractors to do their advertised special projects.
November 4, 2009 at 9:56 am
Darling Blanche, do you hear yourself? First you go weak in the knees to hear someone use the Kool-Aid phrase (…and sorry, but the old Rushter didn’t coin it)and then you resort to ‘your-MOM-is-a-drug-addict’ retorts to defend the one with talent on loan from oxycodone.
If you can think for yourself, you can prove it by offering up an opinion that doesn’t quote a radio personality, and then figure out a way to argue it without indulging in a debate style made popular on the grade school playground.
Now–what unfounded insult would you like to hurl in my direction. I have a fat ass…does that help?
November 4, 2009 at 10:06 am
New Baku…feel better? Must have touched a nerve.
November 4, 2009 at 10:07 am
Yo mama so fat, erry time I say Kool-Aid her fat ass smashes through the wall like Oh Yea
November 4, 2009 at 10:11 am
All this crying about being local – the contractors working on the new building project at Humboldt State University are not local – they are from Sacramento and commute to Humboldt State on Sundays and leave for the weekend – no local contractors -
A question regarding the ballon tract – how much of the property is in the tidal zone? I have been under the impression that the land is public up to the high tide. Regarding the zoning of the same piece of property – isn’t the ballon tract still zoned for public use? Is this a case of the “cart before the horse”?
November 4, 2009 at 10:17 am
Yes we the people have a common interest in land that is zoned public use.
To take away that common use represents a taking from the people under common law.
have a peaceful day,
Bill
November 4, 2009 at 10:30 am
thanks for the backup New Baku, Blanche touched my nerve too… you don’t have a fat ass btw try monochromatic and pencil skirts make anyone a Twiggy.
I think after looking next door (the neighbor has Rush on his radio while he’s working in his shop) I was thinking the only ones who don’t think of Rush as a druggie are his ardent fans. I don’t have substance abuse problems, nor my family and friends ‘Blanche’. But its nice nice to know who we’re talking to.
Eric you brought up some reasonable points, can’t wait to see how this shakes out. I’m looking forward to Marina Center’s Grand Opening-they know how to throw a party! Maybe we’ll see more of those yummy Curley’s shrimp??
November 4, 2009 at 10:41 am
Also our Native People may have an interest in the land that we newcomers call the “Balloon Tract.” There is some idea that the “balloon tract” may have been the site of one or more ancestral villages, and as such must be protected as a sacred heritage.
have a peaceful day,
Bill
November 4, 2009 at 11:06 am
Why do guys think that beards are attractive?
November 4, 2009 at 11:23 am
If only that were true. Your understanding of CEQA is lacking.
November 4, 2009 at 11:32 am
For this EIR, Roscoe & Associates conducted a cultural resources investigation for the project
site, which identified one, and perhaps two, Wiyot village sites within or near the project site. As
noted in the Draft EIR, much of the past reporting and documentation on these village sites was
spotty and imprecise, and changes in the physical landscape have made it difficult to confirm
whether both villages existed in the immediate project area, and whether they were entirely
within or entirely outside of the project boundary. No evidence of the villages or other prehistoric
indicators were found on the surface of the project site during onsite field assessments, although
such evidence was difficult to discern because the site is highly disturbed. Since the existence and
precise location of these village sites could not be ruled out, discrete areas within the project site
were identified as highly sensitive for prehistoric occupation. The Draft EIR also notes that there
“remains a possibility that previously unknown significant deposits may be encountered during
development especially at depths below approximately 5 to 8 feet.” Thus, while the two village
sites have been documented in the general area, it is entirely uncertain whether those sites or
related archaeological materials occur within the project site. It is also uncertain whether, if
found, the materials would be deemed archaeologically significant.
Not all project activity has the potential to effect archaeological resources, particularly since most
of the site – including the area delineated as culturally sensitive – contains as much as 5 to 8 feet
of fill material overlying the historical, natural ground level. Depending on the specific area, any
ground disturbing activities limited to the first 4 to as much as 7 feet in some areas would have no
likely affect whatever on prehistoric archaeological resources.
November 4, 2009 at 11:33 am
Which explains why they want to cap it and bury the evidence.
have a peaceful day,
Bill
November 4, 2009 at 11:43 am
Like I said before…If the city did not have their(collective) heads squarely up their (collective) asses, the balloon tract would’ve been cleaned up 30 years ago by the rail road! They still can’t figure out that our high crime rate might have something to do with our high homeless rate. Or that families are leaving town in droves because of high crime rate, homeless everywhere you look, no jobs & now no schools.
Only about 1/2 the people out of work around here want jobs anyway, so they should be happy with the dead end, low wage jobs coming to us with this project. 5 years from now, it will be business as usual – more crime, more homeless, no money for the city to improve itself, no jobs, more businesses going under& only the families on welfare left. We can only pray for a tsunami at that point!
November 4, 2009 at 12:13 pm
“Only about 1/2 the people out of work around here want jobs anyway, so they should be happy with the dead end, low wage jobs coming to us with this project.”
Maybe those people would want jobs if they were worth it instead of soul-sucking life-destroying dead-end low-wage cons? Hmm
November 4, 2009 at 12:20 pm
“must have touched a nerve.” Yup–the one in my funny bone. Gets me every time. Do it again, Blanch…oh yeah, right there, baby.
November 4, 2009 at 1:00 pm
Why should he apologize? To the predatory litigious “Baykeeper”? The spawn of the equally predatory ERF? Should he say he is sorry they were founded with go-away money? Sorry they can afford a fancy boat, a nice office in Old Town, lawyers on staff, nice signage in their target areas, fancy graphics and mailers?
Pete Nichols is the one who owes people an apology.
Ah, but maybe you were attempting to make a joke. In that case, ha ha, very funny.
November 4, 2009 at 1:10 pm
Goodness! Rose is spitting!
November 4, 2009 at 1:41 pm
And for his lame toupe.
Still blows my mind that the railroad with all its available cash has somehow gotten off the hook for cleanup of the site.
November 4, 2009 at 1:45 pm
Is the Marina Center opposition really “marginal”?
There was modest opposition to Wal-Mart until they funded a ballot measure that provided the time necessary to understand how big boxes devastate rural economies. 61% proceeded to vote against it.
These facts have only intensified as millions continue losing their jobs and homes. More poverty-wage, part-time, temporary employment will merely drag more people down that path. This gets ZERO press, another reason to steamroll approval.
Once the public-use zoning is lost, Wal-Mart can take it’s revenge…
Funny how our rural self-reliant sensibilities that we teach our children and emphasize at every cub scout meeting doesn’t extend to our community’s development.
November 4, 2009 at 2:15 pm
Right, Wheel, keep out competition and low cost alternatives in an area where wages are already low and lots of people are out of work, Ensure that they pay more for goods and services, and make sure they have to pay so much for materials to fix up their homes that you can then declare those homes as blight when they opt not to fix them.
Like it or not, WalMart puts more money in the pockets of poor people than the federal Government does with all the variations of welfare programs – and the do it simply by saving people money. On things like prescription meds and other necessities. They’re not even proposing to put in a WalMart, the big bugaboo just isn’t there.
This really is a disadvantaged area when we have no selection, no options and no freedom of choice. You may want that. Many of us do not. Having a Home Depot is no different than Pay’N Pak before it, Walmart no different than PayLess, Longs, WalGreens, Costco, Sears, Wards, Penneys, just different merchandise.
And, btw, heraldo/heralda, once upon a time, your little “Baykeeper” and their parent group were proud to tell people how they afforded things, can’t go back and rewrite history and pretend they are anything other than what they are (it’s in print after all) – Jager called it right.
And I suspect this one will not result in a lucrative ‘go-away’ settlement for ERF/EPIC/Baykeeper. Better enjoy the Old Town office and the Boat rides while you can.
November 4, 2009 at 2:43 pm
If the project is so perfectly perfect, it won’t hurt it to have an administrative hearing before the Coastal Commission.
November 4, 2009 at 2:45 pm
Frank Jager is liar and a despicable Arkley tool, Rose is just full of shit.
November 4, 2009 at 2:56 pm
yeah the truth sucks doesnt it?
November 4, 2009 at 3:17 pm
I love the wonderfully naive Mr. Nice comment about the perfect working conditions at WalMart and Home Depot. Both have lost several major lawsuits about that very thing; abuse of employees, not paying for overtime, scheduling problems, lack of promotions, LOWER PAY FOR WOMEN! The problems are legion. Even the Times Standard reports them once in awhile.
As for ‘Jaeger the Grey’, he wasn’t worth a damn on the council before and he isn’t worth a damn now. He is there for one and only one purpose, to vote for Arkley’s big scheme. I have never heard him offer one single constructive thought about any other thing the city is doing. Careful, Frank. Don’t smile or your face will break! He had no more idea of what he was voting for with either the EIR or the LCP than my neighbor’s dog did. Jeff, of course, thought the EIR was “one of the 10 best ever”, showing a true connoissseur’s appreciation for the art. HA! “Don’t sue!”, yells Jeffy. “You might actually expose the fact that I really have no idea what this is all about.”
I suspect that once the State Lands letter came out, Linda knew damn well this would never fly so found no reason to ruffle feathers, not that she’s opposed to doing that when necessary.
When you go by Rob’s house, wave. He has cameras everywhere and would LOVE to see you.
November 4, 2009 at 3:31 pm
We don’t need no stinkin’ jobs. We can grow pot. And smoke pot. And go to the pot. And go to pot. And I’m in a different reality Mr Sims? Wow. Let’s just leave the Balloon Track alone, just like the NCEC site.
November 4, 2009 at 3:37 pm
And what do you need all those cheap shovels for anyway besides growing more pot? Cheaper shovel means more minority workers at lower wages so you can make more money, right? Some dumbshits can’t grasp that a category killer like Home Depot causes local businesses to close, COSTING DECENT JOBS. What a trade-off. We really need those part-time low wage wonders at HD! Ask any Pierson’s employee about his benefits and about his pay. People don’t make a career out of being checkers at HD but people do make careers working at Pierson’s. Now why would that be?
November 4, 2009 at 3:44 pm
I over heard that Arkley thug Randy Gans(with his minion looking on) threaten Pete Nichols. “If you sue I’ll kill you” WTF! This typical Arkley crap. bribe threaten and coerce. If your case is so strong why are you threatening Pete? Pete Nichols is a local hero.
November 4, 2009 at 3:45 pm
What jobs, Phart? What jobs do you envision, other than the short-term construction jobs at the outset?
November 4, 2009 at 4:21 pm
I look forward to visiting the Marina Center when its finally completed. It will happen because it has support from the community. The enviros who decide to sue may get a little pay day as part of the process, and this expense has surely been calculated into the developer’s bottom line. Throw them a bone to chew on while they invent another catastrophe. They follow the money too.
November 4, 2009 at 4:22 pm
Gans says that everyday buddy – That’s just his attitude. That’s what it takes to be Arkley’s right hand man
November 4, 2009 at 4:23 pm
Gans hates Nichols and Pierson with a passion
November 4, 2009 at 5:22 pm
“Gans says that everyday buddy – That’s just his attitude. That’s what it takes to be Arkley’s right hand man” “Gans hates Nichols and Pierson with a passion”
Your probably correct but it still doesn’t make it acceptable or proper civil discourse or behavior. Unless we live in Arkleyville.
November 4, 2009 at 5:38 pm
As much as I disagree with the direction Frank has taken and his recent public statements, I must inform you that Frank is not wearing a toupe. That is his real hair.
November 4, 2009 at 6:27 pm
Okay, people. “Your” is not the same as “you’re”. One means something you own and the other is “you are”. Of course, we Arkleyvillians know that sort of thing.
November 4, 2009 at 6:39 pm
Surprise! Surprise! KMUD news just had State Lands Commission Senior Attorney on who said that neither Security National nor the City of Arkleyville staff contacted the about the Coastal Development Permit. Frank Jager, Arkleyville City Council member, said State Lands Commission is a lame agency for coming at the last minute concerns when they heard about it monday. And ‘boy, is he mad…and they are contortionists”. Looks like Jager is ably taking over Jeffy’s ’suck-up’ role.
NOTE TO PUBLIC: Jeff Leonard will be sitting on Randy Gans lap during the next Arkleyville Council meeting and they will perform the “who’s on first routine” using excuses to pass the Marina Center Project. As a side show, Mike Jones will, once again, re-live his high school glory days. don’t miss out!
November 4, 2009 at 6:44 pm
I heard the KMUD report and was impressed with Frank talking so strongly in favor of Arkleyville while admitting he hasn’t yet spoken to the State Lands Commission.
Arkley’s lawyer appears to have lied to the city council last night, which was apparent from the letter the council received from the SLC. Yet Jager is so confident with Arkley’s line he just repeats it while admitting he hasn’t looked into it.
What a lemming!
November 4, 2009 at 6:50 pm
Mister Jager (or should is it Jager-meister?) is himself lame will be taking lead role as Chief Arkley bitch as the other two are lame, but also lame ducks.
Thank goodness.
November 4, 2009 at 6:55 pm
It’s really impressive that Frank so valiantly defends Arkley while admitting he hasn’t yet looked into the problems at hand.
Frank is suddenly out of the gate. Having sat mostly quiet since elected he’s now found his real passion, and it has nothing to do with fact-finding or curiosity about the issues in question. He’s Arkley’s guy all the way.
November 4, 2009 at 6:59 pm
Won’t frank have a harder time fitting under Rob’s desk?
November 4, 2009 at 8:46 pm
It is a big bad world out there and not all the chickens have come home to roost. Frank has shown up, however, and it is fun to hear old forked tongue speak of what he knows and who he has talked to. What took him so long to show he was really a bird of the feather. We knew it, anyway, Frank.
November 4, 2009 at 10:20 pm
Pete Nichols is no hero, not yet, but he does good work, and several people heard Gans threaten to “kill” him for his honest work along the Bay. Hopefully Pete filed a police report.
Gans and his Arkley crowd are dangerous. Dangerous to our natural environment, dangerous to the health of Humboldt Bay and surrounding environs, and dangerous to the ability of people who live here to have the say they deserve in fending off the imagined boom of box stores and strip malls, gravel mines and retirement ranchettes that Security National — and, by extension, its corporate cronies from across the globe — are planning for our area rich with water and buildable land.
Gans is such a bully that he is inherently, personally dangerous as well. You can just see him working the dirtiest ends of disaster capitalism. The guy is thoroughly off kilter and ought to be run out of the county.
November 4, 2009 at 10:20 pm
How much would it take to buy their way out of “Baykeeper”/EPIC/NEC/ERF’s lawsuit? Is a hundred grand enough, ya think? I mean, they’ve already bilked enough money to buy the boat and pay for the nice office space in Old Town, and all the nice signage and stuff… you can’t need another eight hundred grand, right?
What’s it gonna be?
November 4, 2009 at 10:39 pm
My god Rose are you snorting Lysol or what? It’s like somebody’s poured pyogenes on your brain. Are you really so completely warped that you believe your own Plutonian rants? Get a life and leave the rest of us alone. Weirdo.
http://www.poemhunter.com/poem/plutonian-ode/
November 4, 2009 at 11:01 pm
Rose, you are so gullible. Environmental groups are funded largely by grants, which are funded by wealthy people who want to do good.
And then there are SEPs:
A Supplemental Environmental Project (SEP) is a new environmentally beneficial project that a company agrees to undertake when settling an enforcement action. The SEP must improve, restore, protect, or reduce risks to public health and/or the environment beyond that achieved by compliance with applicable laws. When enforcing environmental laws and regulations, the State has the authority to incorporate a SEP into the settlement agreement with a company that is separate from and in addition to correction of the violation.
November 4, 2009 at 11:07 pm
The Water Board did something similar in McKinleyville –the MCSD was fined for too-high levels of pollutants in the effluent, and they got to use the money to upgrade the wastewater treatment plant.
I wonder if that fixed the problem.
November 5, 2009 at 6:49 am
Hey Gans Neighbor. Here goes your poem:
There once was a neighbor of Gans,
What he said was pretty much sans,
But he kept up his drivel,
With an ocassional snivel,
And poo-poos the Arkley’s new plans.
There. MUCH more coherant than Ginsberg.
OMG!
November 5, 2009 at 7:27 am
Is that suppose to make me laugh?
November 5, 2009 at 8:04 am
I agree Pete should file a police report just to have it on record. Gans is a paid thug. Many people in the community have got your back Pete! Keep up the good work.
November 5, 2009 at 9:43 am
I think Pete should man up.Pop him in the mouth.
November 5, 2009 at 9:59 am
Or sue him for the nuisance value- oh I forget- Baykeeper is already doing that.
November 5, 2009 at 11:43 am
HumRed,
You have just jumped over the line from being an obnoxious asshole to being a cowardly criminal. It takes a real manly man to convey a threat of physical violence from an anonymous internet identity.
I hope that when your real identity is revealed (if it hasn’t been already) that you will suffer all the ignominy and criminal penalties that you richly deserve for your cowardly criminal acts.
have a peaceful day,
Bill
November 5, 2009 at 11:44 am
grape nuts, like glass
November 5, 2009 at 11:56 am
I got the same kind of threat on the T-S forum last year, someone threatened to knock my teeth down my throat over the minimum wage increase petition. Guess what, a week later someone knocked out two of my teeth down on 2nd street.
So Pete Nichols and everyone else should take this seriously.
It didn’t stop me. I am still here.
Go find yourself.
have a peaceful day,
Bil
November 5, 2009 at 2:56 pm
Before Baykeeper we had a do-nothing water board, a do-nothing Harbor Commission (under Hunter), and various lumber and pulp mills ‘watching out’ for the health of our bay. It is a true wonder that it has survived in as good a shape as it has. Your kids and their kids will be thankful that Baykeeper was around to protect what’s left.
Maybe Rob just needs new glasses. He seems to have things way out of scale. The ‘cruise ship’ dock , the LNG plant, the HUGE Home Depot are all cut from the same cloth and none of them is appropriate for a town our size. We could do great things if we worked step by step instead of constantly trying to leap over the moon. Start with an industrial park with room and services. Add pletiful fresh water. Throw in ’short-sea-shipping’ (container barges) to get the shipping costs under control. And you have a formula for good paying jobs that create real wealth in the community. Retail can be nice but it does not add to our economic base. It only redistributes what is already there. In the case of big box corporations, they REMOVE a large percentage of what wealth we do have from the area.
We can do better.
November 5, 2009 at 4:10 pm
Get off the pipe Highboldt, what threat are you talking about. I said if Gans made such a threat, Pete should man up and pop him (Gans) in the mouth. My next comment was that I did not think he had the nuts to do the job. Obviously by his comment the anon got it. Where the hell are you in space. I made no threat to anyone. Only offered my opinion as to the testicular fortitude of an individual.
You are a sick man. You think I would waste time making a stupid treat on the internet, what fucking world do you live on. I would not waste effort even calling you names. I can do nothing worse to you than what you have done to yourself. At the end of the day you are still you, I think you have been punished enough in life already.
November 5, 2009 at 5:08 pm
At the end of the day I at least have the courage to stand up for my ideas with my own name attached.
Maybe it’s time for you to “man up” and accept responsibility for yours?
Nichols has been threatened, you are part of the gang of thugs that has ruled this town for too long, you are happy to join in the fun until you get called out. Politics is a contact sport here in Humboldt.
have a peaceful day,
Bill
November 5, 2009 at 5:59 pm
OK. Fuck off asshole. Man up. You don’t have a clue of what it is to be a man. If there was indeed a threat against Pete, that is just your take, I was not there. Were you. Gang of thugs. If you don’t get off the pipe you will continue to live in la-la land. You would also do not know shit about contact sports as all you do is run your silly ass lip. Nor do you, judging for your stupid rants know shit about politics. Are you registered to vote as Highboldtage or just your momma calls you that dip shit. Actually now that I have gotten that off my chest I feel much better, kind of stupid though for letting you provoke me but what the hell. Enjoy looking in the mirror.
November 5, 2009 at 6:43 pm
Mean drunk.
November 5, 2009 at 8:19 pm
YA, still had 2 clients in my office and staff. Perfect time to be drunk. Your little buddy ran his mouth and got bite. That’s the thing with your group, run your mouths but you have shit for brains. I would like to be clear on this Ed, bugger off.
November 6, 2009 at 8:13 pm
HumRed might gain some sympathy if he wasn’t so obnoxious. His abusive language says it all.
November 6, 2009 at 8:35 pm
Damn why y’all on HumRed’s case, it’s boring without him. Remember when he left for like 6 weeks? This blog fell apart.
November 6, 2009 at 8:42 pm
I forgot. My apologies Hummer.
November 8, 2009 at 3:41 pm
HumRed’s dubious verbiage betrays his lack of self control and, probably, education. Were he truly a man of letters, he could find far more suitable phraseology with which to assail his tormentors, numerous though they may be.
November 9, 2009 at 10:26 am
Never claimed to be a man of letters. ” Dubious verbiage”, is this how a man of letters talks. Maybe someone with a English degree from HSU, not a normal working human being. You see yourself as a tormentor. That would mean that I take much of what you say as real, I don’t take any of it very serious. Obnoxious, not me. I just disagree with much of the propaganda on this site.
November 9, 2009 at 3:17 pm
A-nony-mouse puhlease do not give Baykeeper credit for making the state water board ‘do their job’. It wasn’t BayKeeper that required the removal of tanks, made UP put monitoring wells on the BT and do testing for water quality. It wasn’t Baykeeper that spent gobs of money to hire geologists (it was UP). The process of cleanup doesn’t happen overnight and its difficult to understand why it should take so long-I agree.
BayKeeper has a place like other environmental groups (I’m more fond of Surfrider) but lets keep a realistic perspective.