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Outdoor vs. Indoor

Is your sun-grown marijuana more politically groovy than the high-value indoor grown via PG&E?  The question may be defining a new split among Humboldt County’s sub-culture.

A new local blog called Bay of Rezanov explores the two sides of this growing concern in a post called Debunking the Myth of Outdoor.

While almost no one in the community is thrilled by the direction taken by local marijuana agribusiness, a false distinction has been raised in the past few years in certain segments of our community in favor of the virtues of outdoor cultivation versus indoor cultivation. By and large, the indoor operations have rightfully gained a reputation as diesel spewing, rental wreckin’ monstrosities. The recent full page North Coast Journal ad opposing indoor growing on the grounds of its enormous carbon footprint was completely on point. No one wants another Hacker Creek.

One of the results of the pervasive exposure of indoor scene’s downside has been the instillation of a heavenly glow around those who continue to farm outdoors. The informal group known as “Put ‘em in the Sun” is the visible part of this shift in the county’s culture, one that I heartily endorse. But this has led to a curious sentiment in the county’s general population: outdoor good, indoor bad.

But this attitude is simply not based on the facts. The only distinction between the two cultivation methods is that the vagaries of indoor cultivation have become clearly visible in the county’s population centers on a day-to-day basis, not hidden in the rural hinterlands. When a house burns down, we all draw collective breath and wonder about the soundness of the wiring in that stinky house(s) down the street. While on the surface outdoor cultivation seems to be a better system with a smaller footprint, this is only because the damage was conveniently tucked where it couldn’t be seen and we could all pretend that marijuana agribusiness couldn’t be just as explotative and damaging as cut-and-run logging.

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  1. Anonymous
    January 17, 2010 at 12:46 am

    Growers arguing over which cultivation method is loftier is kind of like animal abusers debating the merits of stomping vs. drowning kittens.

  2. hahaok
    January 17, 2010 at 3:04 am

    Who cares about the carbon footprint of a pot grow? Morons, that’s who.

    The real question of indoor vs outdoor is not new, it’s been around since the first indoor grow. Good outdoor is always the best. Lousy outdoor is lousy and good indoor is better than lousy outdoor. But anyone who smokes good Humboldt knows outdoor when they feel it. The best marijuana to smoke is good Humboldt outdoor, end of story. Who cares about some production bullshit.

  3. January 17, 2010 at 5:21 am

    Smug alert!

  4. Anonymous
    January 17, 2010 at 5:27 am

    Who cares about all the homes ruined and neighborhoods becoming slums? Homes are for shelter. I just drove through another sad neighborhood this weekend. It is sickening how many years it would take to bring that neighborhood back, even if if all stopped right now, but it won’t.

    Pot growers on the whole are jerks, no matter where they grow it. You can’t rationalize what you do, but you try, by saying you are helping this economy. Yep, you’re own economy! You avoid paying your fair share of taxes, you contribute to the decline of neighborhoods and the safety of those who might stumble across the property you are using, and you are heavy and dirty energy users.

    Grow up.

  5. Anonymous
    January 17, 2010 at 5:27 am

    YOUR own economy.

  6. tad
    January 17, 2010 at 7:32 am

    Peace be with you

    The read the “full story” button don’t work.

    love eternal
    tad

  7. Kym
    January 17, 2010 at 8:15 am

    Darn it, I was planning on writing this same introduction today. I particularly liked Randy’s comment, “Legalization is coming and with it the opportunity to remake Humboldt into the Napa of marijuana is on its way”

  8. truth
    January 17, 2010 at 8:24 am

    They there is three side to every story ,your side , my side and the truth. I’m not a smoker but most people I know many who are and just like non smokers,some have respect for others,some don’t.Saying most people are this or that is inaccurate.When you got everyone from grannies to tweekers,and every other group doing something it seems wrong to think they are all the same .

  9. Footprint?says
    January 17, 2010 at 8:30 am

    I think people in California and esp .N.California are the only one’s in the U.S concerned about carbon footprints. People in Hot areas are using 700-1000 dollars a month to run their a.c.in their house .then they go outside , start the car, and let the A.C. cool the car for about 15 min. then they go sit in traffic for 2 hr.s to get 30 miles. Come winter the same goes for heaters.

  10. Anonymous
    January 17, 2010 at 8:32 am

    anonymous 5:27 a.m. you are right on the mark. With the exception that I would use a different word than “jerk” to describe the growers.

    “the Napa of marijuana”, you’re using too much of your own stuff to have thoughts like that!

  11. January 17, 2010 at 8:33 am

    Oh no…the habitual haters don’t like me. Now Where’s my box of tissues and my cup of PMS tea?

    Please, feel free to put up signs in your local businesses saying “no pot money wanted” so that we’ll know not to pollute your pristine cash registers with our filthy dope money. Let’s see how long your business lasts with your overpriced products and your lousy customer service last. Then we can finally thin the herd out a bit.

    No really, I dare you.

  12. businessman
    January 17, 2010 at 8:35 am

    The local pot industry won’t last 6 months after legalization. You’ll see pot growing moved to Virginia, N.C. and other tobacco states.

    We’ve survived several mini economic crashes around here. This one will bring unexpected benefits such as the reopening of our hills to hikers and vacationers.

  13. Get em Randy
    January 17, 2010 at 8:37 am

    You are right , the customer service in Humboldt is the worst Ive ever seen. People don’t even try to hide their distain for their job.

  14. Anonymous
    January 17, 2010 at 8:47 am

    Yeah Randy. Your pot money is needed to pay for all the destruction you have done to Humboldt. It will never make up for it.

  15. Facts?
    January 17, 2010 at 8:52 am

    If you believe in a creator then you believe it created plants,right? The creator also gave us senses and a brain to determine what plants are good for us and which ones are poison or taste bad and aren’t for human consumption.I trust that if mankind finds relief in something and finds it’s positive attributes outweigh its negative ones then I don’t need to convince him or her that they are wrong.Trial and error is how man created medicine and found which foods are ok and which will kill us.Many people got sick or died in this process and all your modern medicines were synthesized from plants.Don’t fear the plants, give thanks for them.

  16. January 17, 2010 at 8:53 am

    Thanks, Tad. The link is fixed

  17. reply to annon
    January 17, 2010 at 8:54 am

    According to your figures old Randy makes and spends more than the value of a house annually so your conclusion is wrong.

  18. reply to businessman
    January 17, 2010 at 8:58 am

    Last I checked there is no plans to legalize federally so whatever happens will be confined to Cali and it isnt going to be commercial is is going to be a 25 sq.foot area.

  19. Anonymous
    January 17, 2010 at 9:01 am

    Issue isn’t about pot, how much fun it is, or about the medicinal value. It’s about destruction and vandalism, and wrecking nice neighborhoods, plus that issue with violence.

  20. reply to businessman
    January 17, 2010 at 9:04 am

    The way the I read it the law would encourage sale by the public from their 25sq.foot garden and a per ounce tax of 50(?) dollars will be taxed.That will/would be done by selling tax stamps which protect the seller.All this talk of lrg.scale legalization is not what is planned.

  21. To annon 9:01
    January 17, 2010 at 9:06 am

    The topic, is whatever the people talking decide it is about.

  22. January 17, 2010 at 9:14 am

    Yep, just because I wrote that I like weed, I’m personally responsible for all the destruction. In fact, right now I’m hoping that the neighbor’s grow room catches on fire so I have somewhere to roast my vegan hot dogs. A perfect leap in logic that ignores the fact that I see all of you hypocrites in line at the bank giggling over your stacks of cash. My point still stands – if you all hate it, don’t take the money. It would be very simple to start a grass roots organization to boycott pot money. Yet in the 40 year history of cultivation in Humboldt, I’ve yet to see one single person do it, including the people who hate marijuana agribusiness. C’mon guys, get some cojones, stand up for America, apple pie, and mom. Let your wallets do the talking!

    As for the pervasive cry that mary jane don’t pay no taxes, consider the following:
    – sales tax
    – property tax
    – income tax (yes they do, if they’re smart!)
    – the Humboldt tax (also known as the obscene mark up that local business put on their products – everything in Humboldt is at least 10% more expensive)

    But enough. You kiddies have fun setting around in your underwear arguing about this all day. I’m going hiking.

    In other words, growers live under the same insane web of taxation that you do. Anything to the contrary stinks as bad as the Eureka sewage treatment plant.

  23. Anonymous
    January 17, 2010 at 9:18 am

    Income and sales tax are huge. I stand by my comment that pot, although fun, has done more to damage this community than improve it. I’ve been watching a long time. And yes, I do enjoy pot.

  24. January 17, 2010 at 9:41 am

    Humboldt will dry up and vanish is things go the legal way. Poor service for tourists have given the area a black mark it will never roll out from under, when you give someone on vacation a hard time they not only don’t come back- they tell others not to go.
    This area produces nothing- even the “farmer markets” are valley trucked in veggies, Humdums sell as their own to stupid college kids and neo-hippies.
    People would have no reason to come here if pot was legal- they could just get whatever they want at home and don’t need to get pissed on by people with a “frum here complex”.
    The funny thing is nobody outside of the Humboldt Web even knows about this place, a quick google earth will show the post industrial wreckage that scars the landscape and they find a nice place to visit where their rental car won’t get broken into, or be offered a dirty “hotel” bed to sleep in.
    If this area and people were forced to compete in the “real world” economy, they will suffer great shame and humiliation trying to pass their chinese junk off as made in humboldt.
    I guess pot and government schools took the work motivation away from the area and left behind rude, dumb, humdums that can’t live without crates of chinese junk they can call their own.
    Does anyone know how the “humboldt uniform” started- ya know, the toyota truck, carharts, and stickers all on the back glass with 707 and other bullshit? When you go to washington dc they you don’t see 202 stickers on cars- why do humdums feel the need to act out like this? Is it weed or are they just seeking an image, or was their this “super grower” they all idolize and try to dress like?

  25. use your brain
    January 17, 2010 at 9:49 am

    heraldo, I think that picture of the few acres of greenhouses is a simpson tree nursery?

    As far as Humboldt becoming the next Napa, come on people, that is just a joke. Napa has the perfect climate for growing grapes, and the proximity to a major metro area. Humboldt has the clandestine atmosphere and counter culture scene which allow our market to flourish. If legalized their will be no reason for the big corporate growers to stay here. The climate ain’t perfect boys and girls. Dry flat lands of the valley will be much more conducive to big business farming. The post timber, fishing and pot era in Humboldt will leave a very deserted poor county. Maybe we can get a big prison and a few home depots and walmarts to make up for the lack of economic activity. That should solve the problem.

    I agree go outside, do it clean, don’t use unnecessary chemicals, waist water, cut trees or mountain tops, clean up the miles of poly pipe in the hills.

  26. Olmanriver
    January 17, 2010 at 9:57 am

    We simply cannot allow growers to suck up all the water from several counties, foul the earth with pesticides and commercial fertilizers and fail to protect worker safety in the name of greed and supplying people with their chosen intoxicant!!!
    Oh wait, I thought we were talking about wine making…wrong thread…outta here…

  27. longwind
    January 17, 2010 at 10:31 am

    3 cheers, Randy.

    God knows it’s not worth arguing about, but here’s some actual logic: the Napa-Humboldt thing isn’t about industrial growing, it’s about snob boutiqueing. If any of us could stand to be subservient for $200 a day per lovely couple in a beautiful spot where pretty people could get their authentic fatty rolled by an authentic-looking hippie in nature, with activities nearby and nature all around, some clever entrepreneurs could do all right in the coming legalization apocalypse. Our brand is only negative here where *we’re* negative. Duh, dudes.

    I basically vibe with where Randy’s coming from, except to say that indoors violate nature in creating closed mono-ecosystems which don’t actually stand up against nature very well. So incursions of mystery mites and weird diseases grow out of wack without natural balances, and growers then use horrible toxins to purge life from their grows. Then customers with compromised immune systems smoke the stuff. Barf.

    No such thing as organic indoor. Natural is relative but real. Dick Cheney smokes indoor. Save a hippie, smoke a Humboldt fattie.

  28. Kym
    January 17, 2010 at 10:33 am

    This piece in the Daily Caller (a conservative Washington DC based news outlet) is entitled Marijuana crop could bring cash to Calif. It makes some good points.

    http://dailycaller.com/2010/01/14/marijuana-crop-could-bring-cash-to-californias-next-napa/

  29. useyourbraim
    January 17, 2010 at 10:33 am

    i just made my morin coffee from my waist water. i cant agree more with rands position about the $. put that sign up big boy , no weed $ wanted! you will be a martar of so sort. i dont see all these sad neighborhoods, but ill give you this much. the idiots who were runnin a dope house across the street from the elementary school, deserved to be busted. those type give ALL mj cultavation a bad name. you dont have to wreck a house,or leave a mess to grow. the people who do are either ignorant, arrogant,or stupid. and if there is a word that describes this type in one word , i think its GREED. AND i think napa wine growers opitmise this. i may be wrong, but they want how much for their product, but cant pay or treat their workers desently. i hope those wall st bankers drown in their 200$ a bottle ripple

  30. Scott
    January 17, 2010 at 10:33 am

    Back on topic…both indoor and outdoor can be done right and very wrong. The real difference is do you want to use coal/diesel or sun to grow? I would much rather get 4-5 lbs off each plant growing in the sun naturally and organically than paying the power companies to grow year round in smaller batches. Nature will always win.

  31. Inchoate Beatitude
    January 17, 2010 at 10:39 am

    Who grows weed? More and more people everyday. In fact, it is a very cool thing to do. What do we see out off the 101? More and more dipshits in unnecessarily huge trucks with rims, fuel boxes, and tilted volcom hats? And, more importantly, countless little tributaries running dry in the EARLY summer which in turn make swimming in the Eel so much fun! – especially for coho. Yay!!!

    Throw in thousands of creek diversions, open up countless skid trails by people who could care less about erosion control, add up the tons of diesel and it makes for pretty ‘sour’ cumulative effect. Sorry.

  32. January 17, 2010 at 10:58 am

    Have to agree with Inchoate Beatitude on his/her point. I don’t think it’s so much indoor vs. outdoor, it’s industrial-sized vs. individual-sized. Industrial-sized growing scenes, whether they’re indoor or outdoor, require more of everything – most importantly, water – along with all sorts of vile chemical crap. What it really comes down to is GREED: how much is enough? Among the “old hippies,” it was just enough to pay off their land, build a modest home, and maybe help put their kids through college. Now, it’s about having hundreds of acres, huge mansions in the hills, $50,000 rigs by the time you’re old enough to drink, and a potstitute girlfriend you can afford to keep in Botox for by the time she’s 23.

  33. January 17, 2010 at 10:59 am

    Oops. Strike the “for” in the last sentence.

  34. January 17, 2010 at 11:02 am

    Wow impressive. Finally, a blog post from you about pot. Never thought I would see the day lol

  35. Big Al
    January 17, 2010 at 11:15 am

    if pot is legalized will then industrial hemp become legal along with it?
    if yes, then the central valley would be the logical place to grow “hemp”.
    you can only grow “Humboldt” in Humboldt…

  36. Big Al
    January 17, 2010 at 11:16 am

    my opinion is outdoor is better

  37. is it just me?`
    January 17, 2010 at 12:19 pm

    black flag doesn’t like it here in our county– dear stygian pennant– the directions out are as follows:

    Face the Pacific Ocean,*”turn left real sudden like”, and start motortating your constantly whining ass until you find the imaginary land you describe in your angry screeds.

    (*thanks to DD Lewis & Michael Mann for the phrase)

    My conclusion as to he-who-hangs-limp-in-the-wind:

    What an IDIOT!

  38. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    January 17, 2010 at 12:25 pm

    Good article Randy,

    Isn’t life interesting with all the non-monolithic standards of living issues that human beings CREATE differences over because of mundane individual beliefs in certain instances, while deferring to non-mundane group beliefs in other instances. Secrecies are no good for anyone, especially society as a whole!

    Apparantly, understanding respect needs some assistance. Unfortunately for many, the assistance will be punishment because of their greed and selfishnesses, just like in many other aspects of life.

    Jeffrey Lytle
    McKinleyville – 5th District

  39. 421
    January 17, 2010 at 12:43 pm

    As for the pervasive cry that mary jane don’t pay no taxes, consider the following:
    – sales tax
    – property tax

    i wish you guys were all charging and paying sales tax. if it is truly a billion dollar industry in Humboldt, where’s the 85 million in sales tax for humboldt?

  40. is it just me?`
    January 17, 2010 at 12:51 pm

    Christina– the best analysis of the “problem” with the pot industry around here– the same problem we have with any human endeavor.

  41. RTorque
    January 17, 2010 at 12:58 pm

    the inherent problem with a black market with something as widely used as pot, is the inability to regulate it

    lots and lots of people are going to do things like pot that uptight moralists dont like even if the uptight, hyperactive moralists (they should try some. they’d be more laid back) manage to make it illegal

    as it is now, experts in law enforcement have one perspective of who’s causing the real harm. growers deep in the scene have another. of course this sort of thing is never really accurately characterized by any party with a vested interest in it

    at least when it’s legal, we can have a more objective sense of who’s doing what and what harm is really being caused

    as far as the quality of the weed…
    just like i will willingly take a tylonol or vitamin that’s been constructed in a sterile factory, i’m content that a conscientious indoor grower can produce a good product without the essence of natural competition or sunlight. subjectively, i like the IDEA of outdoor pot, but objectively from a science perspective, i have no problem with indoor

    and really, whether you yourself choose to imbibe, you have to see the real harm is caused by the cloak of invisibility that prohibition causes

  42. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    January 17, 2010 at 1:06 pm

    “and really, whether you yourself choose to imbibe, you have to see the real harm is caused by the cloak of invisibility that prohibition causes”

    WHAM!!!

    Jeffrey Lytle
    McKinleyville – 5th District

  43. Economics 101
    January 17, 2010 at 2:32 pm

    Who else is gonna buy the 50 dollar bland meals from wildflower the 2ooo couch at living styles or the 3000 bed or pay the 400 a week it cost to shop 2 the coop or wildberries? Plus the 2000 rents and 3 dollar gas etc.? It seems 50 thousand a year is the min.to live here and be broke.It is only people like me who are spending family money like me ( and it is going fast),growers and a very few with high paying jobs that can afford to live here or and place on the cali coast.In addition to having a full time job ,I have spent over 700,000 dollars of my family money in the last 10 yeas to make it here.I have never grown because I had the luck to have a family with money but most people don’t have that option.I came here to go to school and I chose here because of the culture and cheap medicine.I know alot of students come here and bring alot of family money because of the weed,.

  44. Economics 101
    January 17, 2010 at 2:32 pm

    that was Any place,sorry

  45. Big jon
    January 17, 2010 at 2:53 pm

    On a different but related note. Does Man kind need to be controlled? Watchya think?

  46. RTorque
    January 17, 2010 at 3:47 pm

    humans are animals just like any other mammal. in our worst moments, we all have the potential to resort to predatory or fruitless hierarchical behavior that causes harm to the innocent

    government regulation or control of mj growers is how the innocent – we the people affected by toxic mj grows – gather our power into a collective called “government” that allows us to decide for ourselves whether or not we want the by-products of a careless grow

    government regulation is how we the people are able to insure that the mj we enjoy is not tainted

    government regulation is how we the people make sure our workers are not exploited

    government regulation is how we the people make sure those who benefit from the prosperity enabled by our government do their fair share to pay for our government and other commons (roads, fire fighters, sewage treatment and other public health measures, etc)

    remember, the idea of american democracy is that the government is, in fact, us

  47. Anony.Miss
    January 17, 2010 at 3:53 pm

    I look forward to the possibility of trying legalization. What is happening now isn’t working. Slums and crime, lack of tax base, stench and polarization. Hope we can at least give it a try and see if it improves things.

  48. Mr. Nice
    January 17, 2010 at 4:33 pm

    Weed should be grown in automated greenhouses with conveyor belts like those Dutch guys do tomatoes in So. Cal. They also run the biggest hydroponic warehouse ever. Y’all know who I’m talking about, you probably ate their tomatoes sometime this week. Pesticide free and whatnot.

    Any of these stupid inefficient methods suck compared to how it could be done. One well-run greenhouse could take out five hundred of these wack ass spider mite factories.

  49. The Monitor
    January 17, 2010 at 6:02 pm

    Can you imagine, Humboldt C. the Napa Valley of home grown. It would be interesting to observe vacationers out on a Saturday afternoon for a tasting at the local growers. Cars lined up to get in the parking lots and belly up. Somehow there would be fewer cars leaving unless they had a designated driver. The cars on 101 would probably be moving slower and the fast food places would be doing a land office business.

  50. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    January 17, 2010 at 6:19 pm

    Big Jon asks a very valid question.

    The answer may have been at one time NO; but, in today’s reality (with over-population and the battle for limited resources) it is the responsibility of ALL human beings to anticipate or prepare for the future as best as we can having consideration and respect for the future. Unfortunately, because ALL human beings can’t be trusted to maintain a level of respect for an orderly society which allows for a “positive evolving”(whatever that may be or need be necessary on an individual level), it becomes the “overall will of the people in this country” to dictate through constitutional processes and enforcements what shall be and what shall not be (generally speaking of course) – which is fair IF the processes are stewarded legally, which is a big if.

    Unlike so many issues, when people can separate their “personal/group moralities and beliefs” away from the individual responsibility to take care of one’s own burdens and responsibilities, it becomes fairly easy to “get along accordingly” – which is what society should be striving for, hopefully. Yet, for so many elected and appointed officials, protectionisms of the very chaos choregraphed to play the citezens against each other becomes necessary for them AND their jobs to be substantiated, although deceivingly at best.

    Kudos to those few current and past elected and appointed officals who are and were 100 % TRUE BLUE.

    Jeffrey Lytle
    McKinleyville – 5th District

  51. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    January 17, 2010 at 6:25 pm

    I agree with Anony.Miss too,

    it is kinda like riding a bike as a beginner – so, let us just try legalization and adjust as we become more adept to it’s “open and transparent production, distribution and consumption”.

    Jeffrey Lytle
    McKinleyville – 5th District

  52. Cant stop it
    January 17, 2010 at 7:54 pm

    As I see it, even in places where you will get killed or life for a plant or small amount.Like Bali or Thailand the cannabis trade flourishes. I don’t think the risk of probation or a few months in jail is gonna stop anyone.The only thing that may happen is if it were fully legal it would take the cash out of the hands of many and put it in the hands of corporations.

  53. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    January 17, 2010 at 10:36 pm

    Assuming that corporations are providing all the supply.

    As far as tobacco, the big corporations may have the Marlboro Man and Winston tobacco market cornered; but, a day late and a dollar short to the mj trade.

    All corps MAY be able to offer is a vending machine of mj cigs for the most desperate of folks (especially those in the largest cities) who, for whatever reasons, can’t grow it themselves or don’t know where to find any “Homegrown HQ”. (Sometime, check out the organic roasted coffee bean section in a store and take notice of the varieties.) This is what corps CAN’T OFFER unless they too become a consumer. So, in a way, local grown produce has cornered a market. Now, I can see corps trying to “cut-in” on the mj market as a consuming retailer where any excess homegrown that is not consumed locally can be bought up by these corps to supply their varieties in their vending machines (if they offer to pay the going rates) – essentially, any of a variety of things CAN happen. This issue is like alcohol – It is about the “General Welfare and Safety of the Public”. Safer is better; legal is safest.

    Jeffrey Lytle
    McKinleyville – 5th District

  54. Anonymous
    January 18, 2010 at 7:23 am

    If you start smoking dope 5th dst you just might make some sense for a change.

  55. Ekovox
    January 18, 2010 at 8:00 am

    Just a pleasent reminder. Anheuser-Busch controls nearly 49% of the domestic beer market. Swill is what they specialize in. Lost Coast Brewery is doing just fine manufacturing microbrews. People will choose their poison. Marlboro Greens vs. Humboldt Heritage. Anheuser-Busch Natural Ice or Mad River Brewing Company Jamaica Red Ale. Smart marketing will decide whether Humboldt becomes the Napa of the marijuana world. It won’t be the producers of the product. It will all fall to the men and women in blue suits. If it’s sold as medicine, Glaxo-Smith-Kline will kick your ass unless you want to corner your trade to farmer’s markets and specialty shops.
    Don’t expect it to find it’s way into Rite-Aid.

    If it’s sold as a mind expanding/numbing recreational device, your best bet is to not become Jim Beam Global Spirits and Wines, Inc., but to become Four Roses Single Barrel Bourbon.

  56. Anonymous
    January 18, 2010 at 8:09 am

    No kidding 5th dst.

    It’s like “I’m going to ‘the store’ to buy some eggs!”

    wtf?

  57. January 18, 2010 at 9:06 am

    Check out Kushboldt’s article on Operation Green Sweep. See how they nabbed 682 plants in 16 raids.
    Hmmm, let’s see, 682 divided by 16 equals roughly 42 plants per raid. Wow.

    Guess those odds explain a lot about the situation in Humboldt, eh?

    What an awesome and concise use of the taxpayer’s $$$.
    A 70 year old granny armed with a cane could find more pot than these cops.

  58. Anonymous
    January 18, 2010 at 9:36 am

    Hey Randy, illegal is illegal, be it 1 plant or 42 plants. Don’t be an apologist for crime. Medicinal users get 100 plants. When illegal growers abuse the law, they risk harming patients.

  59. January 18, 2010 at 10:49 am

    Anon, you totally miss the point.

  60. Anonymous
    January 18, 2010 at 12:03 pm

    No Randy, you miss the point. Shutting down criminal operations is never a waste of taxpayer money.

  61. RTorque
    January 18, 2010 at 12:18 pm

    Is anyone saying that we shouldn’t legalize just because there would be corporate participation in the mj trade?

  62. RTorque
    January 18, 2010 at 12:20 pm

    Waste of taxpayers money…

    It’s called prioritizing and maximizing return, 12:03 PM.

    These aren’t difficult concepts.

  63. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    January 18, 2010 at 12:20 pm

    Shutting down criminal operations is never a waste of taxpayer money.

    Wow, a long laundry list of types – no wonder there is no tax money – it is all spent on criminal activities, for what and against what is a different discussion, especially when the regulator is the criminal violator by his or her own standards.

    So, if and when legalization occurs, what will be the next level of criticism? Hopefully, whatever that criticism is will be dealt with on an individual level where self-responsibility, or lack thereof, is applied to the situation at hand.

    All too often, the actions of a few get used as an example of the whole.

    Jeffrey Lytle
    McKinleyville – 5th District

  64. Anonymous
    January 18, 2010 at 12:26 pm

    5th dst. You’re still doing it.

    Speak plainly.

    Okay?

    Remember that legalese is yet one more way the establishment seeks to disenfranchise all the rest of us.

    We’re all sure you’re smart. What we’re not so sure about is your ability to communicate to regular folk.

  65. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    January 18, 2010 at 12:46 pm

    12:26 pm,

    who is “we’re all”?

    Anyhow, I am no better, smarter, cuter, funnier, etc… than anyone else, just willing and able-bodied to communicate when I am available like so many other folks – extended conversations and clarifications too.

    Jeffrey Lytle
    McKinleyville – 5th District

  66. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    January 18, 2010 at 1:58 pm

    I just saw this and thought a copy and paste of this article would be informative, especially when consideration is given to what goes into the tobacco product.

    Jeffrey Lytle
    McKinleyville – 5th District

  67. peewee
    January 18, 2010 at 4:44 pm

    anon I disagree. Just because our society deems it illegal doesn’t mean it makes any sense for it to be so, not is it worth the time money and manpower it takes to chase it.
    Just because it’s “criminal” doesn’t mean it should be. Laws aren’t always right.

    Meanwhile I see people driving and on their cell phones every time I am in my car. Since that is potentially life threatening I would be more interested in spending my taxpayer money there.
    Victimless crimes are always a waste of taxpayers money.

  68. Joe Schmo
    January 18, 2010 at 5:09 pm

    All the problems that marijuana growing has caused in our community can be solved with regulation.

    Also people need to realize that most indoor pot growers are just growing for themselves and maybe a little profit (thanks to prohibition I can get $3000 for a pound of dried plant!). A 600w light with a few fans is not consuming a ton of energy and usually can only get you 5-10 plants.

    Regulate marijuana and it will be much like alcohol in that currently only a small group of alcohol drinkers will actually brew their own beer.

  69. Mr. Nice
    January 18, 2010 at 6:02 pm

    I think if weed is legalized we will still see indoor grows, people will just be more careful. You don’t hear about many house fires or severe water damage from orchid growers. Reason being that small hobby growers do things like read books and plan their garden well. This is different from the yahoos whose only plan is to buy some fans and thouies off craigslist and get their boy to rewire their rental.

    It never ceases to amaze me how many people go full throttle into pot growing where cannabis will be the first plant that they have ever grown and harvested a significant amount of plant matter from. Especially indoor growing… these folks have no clue. In a legalized situation, morons would be priced out.

  70. 421
    January 18, 2010 at 6:48 pm

    “Just because it’s “criminal” doesn’t mean it should be. Laws aren’t always right.”

    – Bernie Madoff

  71. Not A Native
    January 19, 2010 at 1:22 pm

    The post was taken down, the POTaliban narco criminals made another attack on freedom of expression.

  72. Mr. Nice
    January 19, 2010 at 2:32 pm

    Dude took it down himself.

  73. Not A Native
    January 19, 2010 at 3:03 pm

    Yeah, he took it down. So that must mean its all OK, huh? No, it was taken down out of fear and disgust of the hateful comments. He was silenced with threats and intimidation by the POTaliban.

  74. January 19, 2010 at 3:16 pm

    No, I wasn’t intimidated at all in fact. It was more that I was slightly disgusted for letting myself get caught up in some snarky Heraldo exchange. Like my friend always tells me:
    “Arguing on the internet is like winning the Special Olympics. Whoever wins, you’re all still retarded.”

    I’ve got better things to talk about than pot anyway.
    Like how the old school families in this county have systematically tried to cover up and whitewash their intimate involvement in Native American slavery in Humboldt County.

    Much more fun and important than weed!

  75. Mr. Nice
    January 19, 2010 at 3:40 pm

    Eh, how you gonna blame folks for tryna cover that up? That’s their prerogative.

    I said this before on Ernie’s blog: at least these people know who their ancestors are. If I knew my ancestors were straight killing folks and putting those who surrendered to work, I might embrace that, but I can understand wanting to cover it up. I know my ancestors forged documentation and lied about their relationships in order to live here and that’s somewhat of source of pride for me. That type of stealth activity did sort of mess up the whole tracing the genealogy thing, but whatevs. I guess I am missing the point.

    Yea yea, slave money. We all know all those old school white families made money cracking that whip… Why do you think they get called crackers, for being salty?

    I’m more interested in dank. You had a point about all that drip line and pvc pipe like wtf, I stumble all over that in King Range. It’s not in use either, it is all circa 1980s vintage piping all half smashed and whatnot.

    Special Olympics? Are you prejudiced against mentally challenged folks? On what grounds? Make you feel better about your own shortcomings? I’ll gladly troll on… errr.. debate over that topic.

    There we go, back to normal.

  76. Anony.Miss
    January 19, 2010 at 10:25 pm

    Okay, Randy, I’m going to be nice to you here. You just offended a lot of people with your “retarded” comment. It makes the rest of what you say very suspect. You have no knowledge of the value of the Special Olympics and no knowledge of what is considered very UN PC. You show a basic disrespect for those who have learning differences and guaranteed, this disrespect extends to others who aren’t in your narrow corridor. Amazing comment, really. I thought some of your other comments were completely off base; now I am getting a complete picture.

  77. just another hippie
    January 20, 2010 at 7:29 pm

    Sorry, Heraldo – if you fixed the link it’s still not working on my computer.

    It’s hard to see what the argument against outdoor is without the full story. I can tell you the argument against indoor from a carbon perspective. a grow house using 3000 watts worth of lighting and running fans consumes 5 times more electricity and emits 5 times more carbon than the ‘average’ humboldt county home (at 12 kWh / day). even for the ‘average’ american home that uses air conditioning and four flat screen tvs and all that whiz-bang is about 30 kWh / day, leaving the grows at still over twice that much electricity – and that’s with three lights, roughly what’s allowable by 215 legislation depending on your spacial creativity. i get the impression most growers don’t restrict themselves by the 215 limits.

    now for another tack, enough sun hits the day in one hour to meet the entire global energy demands for one year.

    this is an especially big deal when you consider growing populations and growing energy demands from ‘third world’ countries. even if humboldt county works drastically to reduce our collective energy usage, we’re still expecting modest growth of 1% per year, meaning we need to use LESS energy per person than we currently are just to stay neutral with emissions over time.

    you’d think in a coastal community with a sensitive rain dependent redwood forest heritage, we’d be extra sensitive and concerned about the global warming debate. given that, the whole marijuana grow situation has always seemed more than a bit ironic to me – especially the ‘off-grid’ grows that rely on diesel generators.

    oh, and if the growers really ARE reporting income (which i seriously, seriously doubt) than they can get 30% knocked off that tax liability with a sweet solar electric system! hey hey hey!

  78. just another hippie
    January 20, 2010 at 7:30 pm

    ah jeez – enough sun hits the EARTH in one hour.

    time to stop taking bong rips before trying to wax intellectual, i guess.

  79. January 20, 2010 at 7:36 pm

    As noted in the comments above, the post was removed. Hence, linkage fail.

  80. January 21, 2010 at 12:00 pm

    re: “Legalization is coming and with it the opportunity to remake Humboldt into the Napa of marijuana is on its way”

    Here’s an editorial I wrote last May:

    “Protect the Humboldt brand”

    Richard Salzman/For the Times-Standard
    Posted: 05/15/2009

    Governor Schwarzenegger said he is open to hearing the debate on legalizing marijuana for adults, and Assemblyman Tom Ammiano has a bill (AB 390) pending before the California Legislature to do just that.
    There will certainly be much debate here in Humboldt around this issue, particularly on its effects on our local economy. If and when legalization comes, the best-case economic scenario for local growers and our local economy may be a model similar to that of the wine industry, where there is a market for small-scale operations to compete with larger commercial growers, based on vintage and variety.

    Knowing that such a market is even a possibility should motivate our elected officials to act now to protect the Humboldt name or brand, in the way that the name Champagne is protected, and not to let the name fall into the public domain or to take on a generic meaning. In Europe and elsewhere, for a product to be called Champagne, the wine must come from that region of France — and this distinction is protected by international laws and treaties going back as far the 1891. There is also the “Protected Designation of Origin” (PDO), as defined in European Union law and recognized in other countries, to protect the names of regional foods. That law from 1992 ensures that only products genuinely originating in a region are allowed in commerce as such.

    A more recent example, but without the legal teeth, is Napa’s “Declaration on Place,” which
    is essentially an agreement among winegrowers internationally, similar in scope to the PDO.
    I hope our county supervisors and state and federal representatives will explore our options to protect the Humboldt name — as others are already planning to profit, by having trademarked variation on the name Humboldt, and we should limit its use to products actually produced in Humboldt County.

    Richard Salzman
    Sunny Brae

    http://www.times-standard.com/othervoices/ci_12376676

  81. 2 hearldo-big news
    January 21, 2010 at 1:33 pm
  82. 2 hearldo-big news
    January 21, 2010 at 1:47 pm

    As it reads, ALL county and city ordinances are void.I hope people can move on from this issue and worry about getting help for the tweakers and watching the 360 pedophiles in Humboldt county.

  83. Anony.Miss
    January 21, 2010 at 1:50 pm

    What makes people think they would grow it all here? Seems once it’s legalized it will be all over the state in regions that chose to prioritize it over other crops.

  84. 2 hearldo-big news
    January 21, 2010 at 1:52 pm

    Anon ,it already is grown in all counties ,demand is just so huge it far outweighs the supply.

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