A Crescent City citizens group challenging an expansion of Wal-Mart into a “superstore” saw their efforts thrown out of court after an appeal was filed a day late.
This is the second time the Crescent Heritage Coalition’s legal efforts were foiled by missed deadlines. The first came when Humboldt County attorney — and current candidate for District Attorney — Paul Hagen failed to request a hearing within 90 days of filing a petition to stop the expansion.
Hagen is no longer representing the group, which moved on to Stockton attorney Brett Jolley.
According to the Triplicate, appeals documents were due to be filed November 9th. But a faux pas occurred when a court services business called One Legal failed to file the papers until November 10, thus ending the lawsuit.
As a result, the Crescent City Wal-Mart will nearly double in size.
Is this where you define complicity as incompetence?
Maybe they should consider suing their attorneys for malpractice?
Hey – go WalMart — most folks would rather drive to Crescent City than to give Bill Pierson a DIME.
Jane — being incompetent is a fact – the lawyers are just stupid – deadlines are everything…
Regardless of who is getting the dime in the end (personally I would rather have HumCo locals benefiting than out of the area share holders) just spend a day and drive to Crescent City and spend a little time, then check out HumCo, then tell me where you would rather live. I know Eureka has some issues with homelessness and meth, but it is way better off then the scene in del norte co. ie: prison, meth prison gaurds, meth, prisoners, meth, prisoners relatives, meth, theft, meth….. Just my opinion.
If “most folks” would rather drive to CC than give Pierson a dime, why can’t I ever find a parking spot at Pierson’s?
Does that mean you won’t be supporting Hagan for DA, Birdie?
Hagen blew it a few years ago with local Dems, too. He and Ken Bareilles and Bill Bragg showed up at the central committee on behalf of Worth Dikeman. Either they had not read the party bylaws or assumed the committee had not read them. The party endorsed Gallegos. I’m not convinced Hagen would be an improvement.
Seriously!
Pierson’s is not just about Bill. It’s a local treasure. We’ve lost too many of those. So many families are supported by that business and from a customer point of view, they have a very good selection and price on many items, plus they have people running all over the store who actually can help you find the exact part, piece, or accessory appropriate for your project. The money stays here locally. AND it’s a fun place to shop, get your coffee and Ramon’s items while you’re there, and browse through DIY books.
Please support our local businesses. We’re so lucky to have them.
has anybody ever found a parking spot at Pierson’s or
for that matter Bill himself? He put in the right people (100 or so) to take care of business.Anony.Miss
is right on. Right or left …who cares..its great selection at great pricing..see you there on saturday.
Well said, Anony.Miss. And their staff actually has expertise in the building trades so can give you advice as to what you need.
I betcha Pierson’s is happy they don’t have to deal with assholes like you Birdie
Jesus, What is wrong with you people. Its about choice. What if there was a Walmart/Home Depot in Humboldt the people working there would not be locals. Get a life.
Walmart uses a predatory business model that forces its suppliers and competitors to race to the bottom. That is unhealthy for the country but I guess you haven’t noticed.
In pre WalMart Del Norte County, sales tax revenue went approximately 80% to the city and 20% to the county. When WalMart opened the tax revenue almost reversed, with 80% to the county and 20% to the city. With the closing of K-Mart and the openeing of Home Depot the situation may have changed but the lesson is there. Big boxes REMOVE money from the community. Even with WalMart, overall revenues are down so everyone loses.
Now, thanks to the incompetance of attorneys (preoccupied with running for office?), Crescent City will see even more of its sales tax revenue lost. Maybe they could dub it the new Pelican Bay WalMart. How appropriate!
On another thread people were pushing the idea of “fair tax” (consumption tax) and your post raises the question: What happens to government funding with that system during a recession (or depression) when there are more in need and fewer shopping?
Eureka fought Wal-Mart and won!
Let’s save us all a heck of a lot of future trouble. Let’s protect local business from the predator model that Wal-Mart and Home Depot have adapted.
Save Richardson Grove!
It truly is the Redwood Curtain!
For me the Redwood Curtain fell down somewhere in the late 80′s when all you people moved here and then wanted it to come up again.
People always come up with something to make themselves more deserving and better than others. “I’ve been here longer” or “I work three jobs..” or to give more weight to their opinion.. “I knew people in the World Trade Towers”
Obviously the lawyer(s) made a deal with the Wal-Mart corporation.
Oh yeah, I forgot. No such thing as reality, in real life.
I don’t think most people have any opinion whatsoever of Bill Pierson and will gladly shop at his store.
As for Crescent Shitty, new jobs!
The lawsuit had no chance anyway.
If the people want Pierson’s instead of Home Depot, they won’t shop Home Depot and it will go out of business when it builds here.
If the people want Home Depot, who is A nony Jane & Plain Mouse to tell them no? This is still a free country, somewhat, and you people are trying to change that as you can.
But the fact is, Home Depot will be very popular. Pierson’s will survive just fine but they will have to lower their prices to compete. We will all win except for Bill Pierson. Eureka will have a net gain because it will attract customers from all over Humboldt & Trinity counties.
HiFi, quite the irony for you to say that this is a free country and if people want a home depot they should get it. What the that make the ones who don’t want it and are trying to prevent it?
Sorry, I meant what does that make the ones who are trying to prevent it (that you say shouldn’t be)– not free and not part of the US?
Oldphart…that’s classic. All the relocated urbanites trying to save us from ourselves.
But we won’t all win because Walmart’s low prices are based on Chinese wage arbitrage. If you believe in free trade then you better start visualizing living and working the way the Chinese do.
And don’t expect your central government to listen to you while Walmart is talking.
SMUG ALERT!!!
Funny thing is Steak, those urbanites you, and that old fart up above think your better than, they are part of us now, like it or not. Don’t worry, you still out number them. Keep on eating Steak n’ Eggs though, and there won’t be much left of you to save.
tom araya That pretty much sums it up. We wont have to worry about our comute to and fro work, we’ll get to sleep on site in our Co dorm. Man ,that would be convenent. I noticed another walmart idea. Lets keep our customers happy, they can live in the parking lots. Thats about the only use i have for that evil corp, parking my rv in their lot, and getting whatever I happen to need some place else!
I used to shop at Piersons until I learned of his politcs. Now I shop there again since I’ve grown up a little.
Could you pass a little of that around for some of the neanderthals on the blog?
If homedepot comes in anyone on a tight budget will be “forced” to go there, buy the imported crap, from the minimum wage employees who couldn’t tell the difference from a 2×4 and fence board, and end up worse of in the end because they end up with the wrong part for the job. Meanwhile Piersons, like them or not at least they have knowledgeable staff, will go under. Just watch the Piersons ads on tv most of their staff has been employed for over 5 years! Take that survey at the depot, good luck getting 6 months. Say what you want about Bill, or his store for that matter, but people are supporting families with those long term jobs.
Didn’t mean to be cryptic. The idea of global free trade (no tariffs etc.) making life better for everyone sounds great and I’d be the first one to believe in it. The problem is that our trading partner is a repressive regime and it’s workers have no rights. We can’t compete with them. As long as we send our labor overseas (by way of outsourcing or buying from walmart,) our labor force must compete at a huge disadvantage. Ultimately our standard of living will be brought down to theirs and the international interests win everything!
This is pretty depressing for me because I used to be one those who believed that if business did well, we would all do better. I believed the trickle down theory. Boy was I wrong. I’m sure you’ve all noticed that Congress and the President are all ears for their donors and could care less about us. Doesn’t matter what party they are or what they said while campaigning. And it especially doesn’t matter how they made you feel while they were campaigning.
And to drive the point home, look at how the Wall Street firms that we bailed out a few months back handed out record bonuses this year. None of that is gonna trickle down.
Only a true believer from the Humboldt Mirror would say something so stupid.
Thankful hugs!
Spot on Tom. Not only will the Chinese style of labor and production become the norm here; but also the overt, visible police/security state. If only the misguided understood what they are bringing about by supporting the “New American Centurions” I am thinking it is already too late to stop it. Never before has the ruling class had such a powerful media. Paintings and statues were pretty weak as propaganda; compared to modern media.
The Raped defending the Rapist. Pretty sick society.
Hey, HiFi, did you see the letter in the TS early this week from the woman who actually called the Ukiah businesses that the earlier My Word said were so successfully ‘competing’ with Home Depot? They told her that they had lost up to 20% of their business and had to lay off employees. They also reported that HD’s service was LOUSY and their products often did not hold up. You say if HD is that bad, it will close. Possibly true but it does have huge corporate backing so how much damage will it do to the little guys before it does close? And then we have the posterchild for Urban Blight, empty giant store shells slowly deteriorating, covered in grafiti, providing a place for bums and drug deals. So what will have really changed? Think it doesn’t happen? Check out the number of vacant big box Store buildings available all over the country. It will stagger you.
WalMart currently has 390 EMPTY storefronts around the country totalling 26,699,678 sqaure feet or space. I couldn’t find specifics about Home Depot but try Googling “emprty big box stores”. It will amaze you!
Yeah, I know. It’s SQUARE feet. Sorry.
Yes, a big box or chain will hang in there a bit after they have caused the ruin of smaller stores and then they leave here or close for national reasons. Our downtown stores had to close (or attempt moving to the mall) after the Bayshore Mall came and their equivalent has had to be replaced by Kohl’s (after Mervyn’s, Penney’s, and Gottschalks went under). Where else to buy basics such as underwear, shoes, clothing, especially men’s but also women’s clothes. And makeup.
I like Home Depot personally. But am not relishing what could happen if it comes. I have seen it all before.
Remember what we had here before the Bayshore Mall?
Downtown & Old Town stores closed by 5.30pm weekdays. Saturdays they were open 10am to 4pm & Sundays they were closed all day. Selection was very limited & prices were high.
For back to school big purchases many of us traveled down to Santa Rosa & spent hundreds of dollars each.
The Bayshore Mall improved all that. Businesses have to compete now. Home Depot will also give us wider selection & more price competition.
And Mouse, that woman did not interview an objective person. I have shopped at Home Depot in the past & I found their prices & service satisfactory.
The point is, you don’t like Home Depot? Don’t shop there. But you don’t have the right to tell other people that they aren’t allowed to shop there.
Yes Hifi, all those evil family owned business are all history, just so you could shop here at a chain stores.
I liked it better when Hifi had to leave town for his fix!
Such is the cost for living in a free country. Our government is not supposed to dictate which businesses are allowed to sell to the people. Government bureaucrats do not get to decide which businesses succeed & which ones fail.
The people decide.
Perhaps you would be more comfortable living in the old USSR ImissDaly’s ?
Free country, I seem to remember the City begging general growth to come here, offering them a huge incentives package, free market my ass!
“Our government is not supposed to dictate which businesses are allowed to sell to the people. Government bureaucrats do not get to decide which businesses succeed & which ones fail.”
Glad to read that hifi has objection to the widening of Richardson Grove due to a philosophical belief,as those opposed to the proposal shouldn’t have government telling them they need to pay up for a project which will mostly benefit businesses,some of which will succeed,and some some will fail.I agree hifi,the businesses most vested in widening the grove should be the ones ponying up the money to pay for it.
So many of these debates about ‘big-box-retail’, use the logic and simple dynamic of two businesses in honest open competition. Thing is, national US corporations don’t play that way. They come in, drain a region of as much capital as they can. And then they move on.
Many of the “Capitalism at any cost” crowd are reminiscent of the tribal African slave traders who sold out their neighbors and relatives for money, position, or other perks.
Claiming freedom of choice is getting to be a tired justification for selling out one’s own people.
The word ‘jobs’ sounds like a good word. But if the job is one that eats away at the general financial health of an area then it is not such a good word. If your job is to cut down all the trees for a company that is known to take all the money away and deplete the pensions and the forest and the towns, than that is a sad job. If your job is to work for a company that puts too much cost on the local financial infrastructure by keeping the people unable to provide for themselves, that is a sad job because it takes more than it brings. Sometimes we have no choice but to take a sad job… Sometimes we have a choice. But I think it is good to be aware of which jobs adds to our community financial health and which jobs erode our well being.
Wallmart is known for depleting the general well being of the area it sits in. It brings sad choices.
Hagen likes to call this his “ONE MISTAKE”, and said afterwards that it was because he never handled this kind of case before, but that begs the question, what would he do if ever had to handle a felony criminal case?
It sounds like the left here is not in favor of letting the people decide! You all are in favor of an oppressive government dictating where you are allowed to shop? What else are you in favor of an all powerful government being able to do?
I am shocked, shocked I tell you!
“I am shocked, shocked I tell you!”
Hifi needs one of theose dog trianing collars, then everytime he has one of his dumb ass neo-con thoughts we could give him a little jolt.
This issue is not black and white.
WalMart is both good and bad.
WalMart is good as it has low prices which force other businesses to compete and in the end saves consumers money on basic goods.
WalMart is bad as it snatches up subsidized government loans and infrastructure grants. I posted a report on the H.H. before showing Walmart’s 1 billion dollars worth of government money. Some might say they just know how to work the system… but um, since they use a billion taxpayer dollars, essentially they are working us over.
The third point I’d like to make is we should be honest with ourselves over why we don’t want WalMart. For me, it’s aesthetics. I will freely admit it. WalMart is a big, ugly, smiley faced Chinese plastic store. When I think WalMart, I think of being in line behind some fun-sized hood rat in sweatpants buying huge bags of generic cereal with six bey-bey kids in tow arguing with the cashier over some 99 cent coupon. Y’all been to the WalMart in Oakland? If you have, you can picture that experience, and that’s what I think of. That’s the type of shit I moved to Humboldt to get away from. Why y’all born and raised types think WalMart is the shit is a mystery. Do y’all really like WalMart in Crescent City? It’s a nasty piece of shit too in my opinion. Same story ‘cept the hoochie mamas wear feed caps. How much do y’all possibly save at that place, $10? Oooh, baller status now, can go buy another couple tins of copenhagen or another dime bag of weed from behind the Eureka Co-Op. Such savings. Building that personal wealth.
I hate to bring this up HF, but what would you call the vote that the city of Eureka already took on the issue of Walmart? I don’t think that anyone was forced to vote against Walmart by “an oppressive government”.
You left out a really big bad thing about Walmart, Mr. Nice. Their cheap prices come with an unseen very high price. Their cost cutting at the wholesale level forces suppliers to cut their own labor costs by either cutting wages and benefits for their workers or offshoring their manufacturing. This puts more people on social programs and fewer people paying for them. It’s a downward spiral that is unsustainable.
highfinance is just like the hindenburg-a flaming gasbag.
i walked the bayshore mall last night for exercise and it struck me that with one or two exceptions, it appears to be row after row of “woolworth-5 and dime” style crap stores.
Why does everyone assume Wal-Mart wants STAA. Their drivers only make day long runs from their distribution center just North of Sac on I-5 so they don’t need sleeper cabs. The sleeper cab with the longer trailer is the issue with STAA and primarilly affects small retailers who depend on route drivers who spend days on the road making deliveries to many small stores along the way.
Box stores are immune to issues like STAA because they have their own distribution networks and are not dependent on third parties for deliveries like small local retailers are.
So while a local retailer may be one stop along a delivery route that runs from Ca. to Wa. over many days, Wal-Mart goes directly to the manufacturer picks up full loads and brings them back to their own distribution hub where the goods are transferred to trucks bound for 1 or 2 stores max. Because this is only a day trip these trucks don’t have the sleeper cabs which means STAA is not an issue, even with the longest of trailers.
Where STAA becomes a problem is when the route driver headed for Eureka cant get through the grove and the local store has to have their goods transfered to smaller trucks at an additional cost.
Restrictions at Richardson Grove give the box stores a cost advantage not the other way around.
Plain Jane has a good pont. We shold be more like Greece and protect our workforce from competiton and force businesses to raise wages and bnefits. Seems to work well there.
Your backhanded insult is noted, 11:34. If Greece had a Walmart and imported all their food and products they would have no problems. Of course, they would have almost no jobs either but that’s beside the point, right?
Point is that push and pull between producers; consumers, employees etc. is normal. Jobs are going to China because of a huge disparity in standard of living. Decades ago it was Japan, before that jobs were being lost in Europe to the US.
It is like economic osmosis trying to levelize disparities. The solution is not to throw up barriers but rather to educate, innovate, conserve and become much more careful in terms of both how we consume and produce things.
The Wal-Marts of the world are the symptom of our preference for quantity over quality not the cause.
Spoken like a true neocon, 12:16. Have you dried off from all that trickle down yet?
Y’all don’t understand Greece. They have the same type of government budget sense as California. That is, spend, spend, spend… and later… oh shit, wtf. Same type of real estate genius too.
Y’all ever been to Greece? Prolly not.
The price of goods in Greece is fine. Essential products like flour, rice, cereal, vegetables, bread, spices, etc. are inexpensive in Greece. You can make falafel and whatnot for pennies. Visiting Greece is cheap as hell if you know how to cook a few items of Greek food.
Finished, packaged, processed, frozen, shrink-wrapped excuses for food are way more expensive in Greece. If you live off of ground beef patties and pizza rolls or whatever, you’re better off fattening up in the U.S. If you visit Greece and try to eat the same type of pigshit you are used to from Winco (or WalMart), it’s gonna cost you big bucks.
Yes, this means a big mac is more expensive than a tabouli salad in Greece. BFD, they’re Greek.
Priceless; Jane doesn’t have a response, let the namecalling and insults begin.
I’ve never been to Greece, Mr. Nice. From what I’ve read, govt. subsidies for domestic products which keeps their prices down is part of their budget problem. They were hit by the same economic tsunami that hit the rest of the world which hit them harder than others due to their already excessive debt.
Of course, we don’t know if Anonymous 12:58 is the one who started the insulting or if he is just ignoring the fact that Anonymous 11:34 did. That’s the great thing about being just one of many Anonymi. (sp?) You can insult and then whine about being insulted when you get hit back.
Grece oveconsumes social benefits like we overconsume junk food. The problem is the same however, we consume more than we make.
Too bad we can’t cut back on consumption of war for corporate profit. That would be a good place to start.
Mr Nice, if Wal Mart offends your delicate sensibilities – DON’T SHOP THERE.
Red Hummer, you missed the point. First, that vote was taken what- 15 years ago? But the 60% of the people that voted are using the power of the government to tell the 40% where they are allowed to shop. Would you support a vote where 60% of the people forced the other 40% to buy American made cars only?
st’d just, snobs like you shouldn’t go to the mall. I suggest you shop where ever you like and let everybody else do the same.
Good point except for the corporate part which is a vast oversimplification in that humans have never needed corporations to find a reason to fight. War is always a waste, but I wont hold my breath.
I’m not oversimplifying anything. Not all wars are for corporate profit, of course. That there have been wars, overt and covert, for corporate profit is undeniable. They all cost money regardless of their justification.
Point taken. I just get sick of everything being blamed on corporations. It is a steriotype and a cop out. People are the problem and however they are organized they will find a way to screw things up. As soon as you get more than a dozen or so people together be it a tribe, a government, a group, a religion, a political party or a corporation, group think will eventually lead them to do something stupid.
“If citizen-snobs don’t want a pig farm in their community, they shouldn’t buy their pork from it”.
Back on Earth, citizens have the right to know the economic and environmental impacts of all large developments on our community. It’s only in the last decade that economists have begun calculating the public subsidies required by a blind faith in big boxes and sprawl. Subsidies ignored for decades as we bled-out our industrial tax-base. (We were fairly warned of the inevitable fate of this failed development model when fuel reached $5.00 a gallon in 2008).
Well said, Reinventing the Wheel.
Alright, I found some reviews of the WalMart I used to spend with.
Reading all that mess, I’m realizing it is because my experience is probably with the worst WalMart on the planet.
Damn… and alla people reviewing that spot write exactly like I do. This shit is tight as hell.
“–sometimes I don’t recycle my cat food cans because they are hella smelly and my recycling bin is not lidded”
(like wtf did that haffa do with WalMart?)
“Unless you’re desperately in need of summathat Vitamin D milk and a discount ‘Winnie the Pooh’ Adult XXXL sweatshirt, I suggest you go elsewhere.”
“This place is GHET O..None customer service skills what so ever. The line is always a mile long because of lethargic ass cashiers.”
Unfortunately knowledge is the first thing to go when group think takes over. Conversations turn into confrontations, facts become less important than conformity and blind faith is the safest bet. Question everything, especially the things you hold most dear. Fight ideology, seek to understand alternative points of view and lead by positive example.
Oh wait, this is the best one:
“I swear you can’t even get in the freaking store without being harrassed in the parking lot by someone from the right with a sneaker in his hand, saying ” I got Jordons” Then you go down two more stall then someone from the left says ” I got DVD”S, Jeans, CD’s! then you keep on moving and then you asked for spare change from the back, and then someone drives by saying I got Ipod’s and laptops!
I mean come on WTF, why should a person go into wal-mart supercenter when they can just hang out in the parking lot waiting for a illegal hookup!”
Hahaha… Jordans.
Now, Eureka is not quite as um… unique as the East Bay. Still, I think folks will be tryna slang shoplifted shoes and beg for change and whatnot in the WalMart parking lot here. Aesthetics being my concern, last shit we need is some spot for all the Eureka hustlers to congregate.
There are all those folks in Tweak Town who hustle on the west side. Y’all know what I mean. You know they’ll be all up in the WalMart parking lot hustlin. Errytime I’m in Tweakreeka I get hit up for some bullshit anyway like these people think I am the one who is going to buy their swiped iPod for $20 because I look like the type of person who would do something like that. Like they’d really be able to pay me $5 to go into the pawn shop to sell their stolen ass shit either.
Maybe everyone will be all civilized and not Oaklandish. Kinna doubt it. Eutweakers haven’t proven otherwise to me so far. Isn’t this supposed to go right in the same area you can find $40 hoes? Uhm… I dunno. We’ll see.
But for real, there will probably be hoes in the parking lot.
Have you seen “The People of Walmart,” Mr. Nice?
To be fair, I was in a Walmart once and didn’t see any people like those in the photos.
WalMart gave about $250 million to local charities last year. ~$450 million in total charitable gifts. Cheap prices for low income families. Convenient hours for working families. Jobs for no skill to management retail positions. Competition for local monopolies. Almost sounds like you people have it out for the regular working schmuck.
No. Those will be in the Garden Department!
The point to remember is that corporate chain stores do not work for OUR community. They work for the corporation, where ever it is located. The money they take in here leaves the area. Very little of it recirculates through the economy. Chains do not buy supplies or paper or accounting services locally. It all goes to the front office somewhere else. That’s the biggest reason to minimize corporate chains in our economy. Sure, we have some and, yes, they do a lot of damage to local business. Most of us shop there at least occasionally because the alternatives have been forced to close. Why do you think the citizens of Crescent City tried to fight the immense expansion of their WalMart? It’s because it will have a profound effect on the few remaining local businesses. Do you really want to live in a town where that’s the ONLY retail alternative? If so, there are vast stretches of identical tract homes (cheap!) south of Stockton, puntuated by chain shopping malls and big box stores, that would LOVE to have you.
Oh yes, they have a HUGE foreclosure rate down there. No jobs!!!
so your saying the people shouldn’t be able to chose with their patronage which store survives?
That has already been discussed up thread, Unanonymous.
Don’t you read a thread before you start posting?
Refer to Reinventing the Wheel @ 1:47 p.m.
so has the point of alleged economic blight and moving of profits out of local economy. You reading the posts either?
The same people advocating for this WalMart probably won’t even go.
Keep an eye on your neighborhood Blockbuster. The chain is closing 500 stores. Now that’s community commitment!!
tough times, how many locally owned businesses closed their doors last year?
I think Hi Fi needs to revisit his High School civics class lessons and reread the US and California constitutions. They allocate government the power to regulate commerce.
And Hi Fi, put down the Ayn Rand and Robert Welch Jr.. Their ideas didn’t establish US governance, no matter how much you now think they did.
It is funny to me that nobody on this blog remembers Bistrin’s or Daly’s department stores before there was a Mervyns or Sears or J C Penny store in this county. Everyone accused those local businesses of price gouging because of lack of competition from national chains. Oh, the pendelum swings.
By the way, that would be a lesson in economics. That is the way business works. Like or not. If you were in business, would you take less profit? Right.
Not a Native might have slept through his classes.
The US Constitution only allows the fed to regulate INTERSTATE commerce.
And please cite the sections of the Calif constitution that allows the complete total regulation of all businesses by city governments.
Yes Oldphart, everybody accused Bistrin’s & Daly’s of price gouging. Well, everybody except the Bistrin & Daly families who grew very rich indeed.
Anybody see how many trees Bill Pierson has donated to our local communities? Nice article about it in the T-S. 42,000 Trees. That came right out of his personal profit. I’d say that is a businessman that is dedicated to his community more than to his personal investment counselor. HiFi, Kiss my ASS. He has been doing this since he became a businessman in 1982 or before. HiFi what have you done for our community? Bill Pierson is a true businessman, HiFi you are a joke. Just partially shut-the-F**K up. Don’t want to muzzle anyone, including you, just get real. Besides, you make progressives look very good.
That is called “promotion” – or the same as advertizing. You can write off either on your taxes.
Oldphart, you got fired from Piersons so you have an agenda. 42,000 trees is not a writeoff it is a commitment to our community. The amount is way over what can be written off. Get a grip.
You obviously do not own a business. 20% off is a promotion to get folks into the store, giving away trees for Arbor Day when you have just stocked up the nursery is a promotion. He writes it off on his taxes. Part of being in business. You must work for government where this stuff doesn’t matter. No mind, never matter.
And I quit Pierson’s more than 25 years ago because I could get a better job. And, oddly enough, that was with U.S. Fish & Wildlife. Quit that after a couple of years because they only counted fish, no restoration work is done there.
Working for the government is a lot like this blog. Lots of talk, plenty of ideas and nothing is accomplished.
Thinking Out Loud, shouldn’t. You expose your ignorance & bitterness every time you do.
The give away of cheap trees is a nice promotional gimmick. It’s cheaper than advertising & makes Pierson look green & noble to boot.
I guess your right Old you have made 7+% of the posts on this thread so far and not one thing has changed. You were far more productive when you were counting fish!
if the amount of charitable giving is a real sign of a good business, WalMart wins.
And what have you produced lately, Lefty? Given any time to the community? Done any wonderful thing for the community lately we should know about? And if some charitable giving counts with you, then what about the casinos? They give a ton more than Pierson. And still nothing has changed.
Allowing homeless and displaced workers and small business owners sleep in their parking lot is charitable. To the company.
Putting Medi-Cal(what’s left of it) and food stamp information in employee break rooms is charitable. To the company.
Keeping workers at minimum wage, and hours just below full time to avoid providing benefits such as health care and vacation time is charitable. To the company.
It all depends on who benefits from the “charity”, right?
Wal-Mart wouldn’t be forced to tout their “generosity” if their practices lacked scrutiny.
It’s all about public image for Wal-Mart. If Wal-Mart “wins” as you say unanonymous, so does Shell, Chevron, and all the other rapists that put out “feel good” spin ads to conceal their treachery.
With Wal-Mart jobs.
Part-time positions without benefits.
These Big Boxes have bred the skill right out of the worker.
Is Wal-Mart not the biggest retail Monopoly in the US? Ever hear of over-competition?
Workers are schmucks?
It would be interesting & informative to compare the wages of the Pierson’s employees at various levels vs the Home Depot employees at those same levels.
You would be surprised.
Big boxes pay their employees as much or more as all those small stores in Old Town & Downtown pay their employees.
I don’t think we would be surprised at all. At Piersons, you would find knowledgeable long term employees with benefits. I would bet with higher wages.
Are you a bettin’ man Mr. Akley?
Oops, Sorry, I mean High Finance.
Want to make a wager?
Big Boxes have a higher turnover rate than local businesses. That means the pimply kid with the temporary name badge at Home Depot is less likely to know what a plumbing compression fitting is or how it’s used. I bet you don’t know what a compression fitting is either, High. You probably never have gotten your hands dirty your whole wealthy miserable life. But if you wanted to know, you could ask a long-term employee, and get valuable information.
Those BIG Box stores are so huge that the pimply kid would probably have trouble describing where the plumbing department is, let alone what a compression fitting is, or how it’s used. I’m sure the kid knows where the break room is. And the time clock. I am able to find great help at Pierson’s, as well as Thomas Home Center and all of the Aces. Help that is worth the extra nickle over Home Depot’s price. You can’t put a price on knowledge. And smaller mom and pops give it away, for free!
Any of you ever visit a Home Depot? A Lowes?
Looking for help in a sea of ignorance as far as experience and indifference as far as customer service?
Good luck on that wager. I have a hand full of Aces with Piersons, Thomas high.
You got a hand full of shit!
The difference between you & I, Ignorant Mous, is that I recognize your right to shop at Piersons if you wish.
All I ask of you is to respect my right to shop at Home Depot if I wish.
Then move to the city, or commute for your nickle savings. That’s what cities are for, morons like yourself and Arkley. Then you could have a shopping cart, car trunk, and garage, all full of shit!
I sure remember the downtown being criticized and called the “bad guy” for their prices and return policies. Fact is, those kinds of stores have to pay more than the chains for their merchandise (no mass-purchase deals for the little guy). I can’t believe the same crowd is now protecting the small businessperson they skewered before.
Its not the same crowd. These are the people who moved away from all that. No change will be allowed. This must remain the way it was when I moved here. Most of them never heard of Dalys or Bistrins.
It’s virtually impossible to find high quality clothes in Humboldt County now. Daly’s, Bistrin’s, McGaraghan’s, or more recently The Three of Us couldn’t compete with the low quality clothes made in the third world. Rather than pay decent wages for domestically manufactured high quality products, we buy junk that is cheaper to replace than repair. We have become a country of quantity over quality, designed obsolescence, overflowing landfills, and diminishing resources. It’s unsustainable and will eventually end. The only question is if it will end soon enough for man to have time to develop a sustainable lifestyle.
You seem awfully intolerant & closed minded for a liberal ignorant mous.
You are right Plain Jane, the rich & well off have a harder time finding high quality, high price clothes.
On the other hand, the poor are far easier able to afford decent clothes.
The issue is not a simple black and white issue.
Remember how the mega store anchors going broke worked out or what happened to the community after your mall turned into a welfare office? Oh, right, none of that has happened yet.
There were some overpriced stores… so what? Maybe us folks who’ve seen what happens with these mega box store land deals have some insight to share with y’all.
Speaking of large companies, what do you think of the raking-over-the-coals Toyota has gotten over their recalls? Is their treatment worse than American auto maker recalls? Are the American auto makers behind this raking to get rid of their stiffest competition?
Wait! Daly’s, Bistrin’s, McGaraghan’s, or more recently The Three of Us… compete with the low quality clothes made in the third world ???
Come again?
Poor quality products are not a good deal no matter how little money you have. If you can buy an item once a year that costs 25% more than a product you have to buy twice a year because it is of poor quality, which is the better deal for people with little money? Clothing that doesn’t survive laundering isn’t a good deal even if it costs half the price. With loss of manufacturing we also lose reasonably priced repairmen. Remember all the fix-it shops for appliances and TV’s we used to have? And AGAIN, all this junk is using resources, energy (more the further away it is made) and overflowing our landfills.
Couldn’t compete…lower prices and mall atmosphere preferred over quality, higher prices, traditional atmosphere.
You have to be more specific than that, Rose.
I think it is more than their recall, Miss. Weren’t there some e-mails that raised questions about their ethics? I recall a lot of outrage over Pintos, Corvairs, and Chevy pickups having life threatening issues in years past.
No, seriously, Jane, where are you coming up with that?
Sounds like she means the mall clothes come from sweatshops overseas and the old downtown businesses carried clothing from American manufacturers.
Do you think they closed because they were able to compete with sweatshop clothes, Rose? The local clothing stores had to compete with Penney’s, Sears and Montgomery Wards as well as smaller chains like Lerner’s, Arden’s, ModeODay, and more I can’t remember right now on quality and prices and they did quite well.
Seriously, if you can’t articulate a question any better than that, why bother?
The downtown did well for many years (Anita’s was there too) until the trend toward phone/catalog shopping hit, out-of-town shopping became more popular, and then the mall came, and later of course came internet shopping.
I was told Daly’s closed because when the mall opened they did not want to go there. They were offered an anchor position and had hired a semi-retired executive from Macy’s. He told them to get in the mall or they wouldn’t survive. They said, “we own our building, why would we pay rent?”
Dale’s had other stores in a few other towns and they had to close all of them. Downtown stores that tried to make it at the mall suffered from very high rents and went under eventually.
If Daly’s had moved to the mall with high rent, they would have gone under even faster. It’s sad. They were a like local version of Macy’s, full service, great quality. Even Gottschalk’s couldn’t make it at the mall.
Fuck the Mall! Dioxin polluted, falling apart, and practically abandoned, a look into the future of the Balloon Tract!
Now let’s hear what Arkley, oops, I mean “High Finance” has to say about that.