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Show me the Home Depot

[Guest post by Kathy Srabian.]

Home Depot was feeling good in 2005. CEO Bob Nardelli was seeing unlimited growth for the nationwide chain.

In 2006 Eureka hears that Home Depot wants to sit in the proposed “Marina Center” development. The dust raises as locals begin to argue. It gets so thick that no one notices Home Depot has probably lost interest.

Times changed and Mr. Nardelli — with his vision of unlimited growth — was replaced by a new CEO in January of 2007. The new chief, Frank Blake, issued the following statement:

“By building fewer stores, in the best locations, and making sure our existing stores are profitable, our company will be in a much stronger competitive position.”

The Associated Press reported that “Home Depot said it will no longer pursue opening the roughly 50 U.S. stores in its new store pipeline, in some cases for more than 10 years.”

The Home Depot that said they were coming to Eureka is not the Home Depot of today.

  • 2007 Home Depot waves goodbye to CEO Nardelli, who ran the company during the proposal to locate in Eureka.
  • 2007 Home Depot sells their wholesale construction supply business.
  • 2008 Home Depot says it’s closing 15 underperforming stores and scuttling earlier plans to open 50 others.
  • 2009 Home Depot cuts 7,000 jobs, closes 34 Expo Design Centers, 5 Yardbird Store, and 7 bath remodeling businesses.
  • 2008-2009 Home Depot closes 54 stores nationwide.
  • 2010 Home Depot closes 3 stores; announces 1,000 layoffs

The “Marina Center” has become synonymous with “Home Depot.” But do you really think Home Depot is coming here? Convince me with something other than a 2006 North Coast Journal or a pastel picture from the Marina Center website.

UPDATE: Hank Sims weighs in on the Home Depot question and says this week’s Journal will include an interview with Security National’s Randy Gans who says Home Depot is still on board for the Marina Center.

  1. Anon
    April 6, 2010 at 12:15 am

    This actually may be news to the folks at The Humbolt Mirror. Good bye, Jeff and Virginia.

  2. the reasonable anonymous
    April 6, 2010 at 12:54 am

    Huh?

  3. Anonymous
    April 6, 2010 at 5:41 am

    so now you will support the marina center?

  4. Yup
    April 6, 2010 at 6:34 am

    Home Depot stock at a 52 week high. Not many Corporations are the same as 3 years ago but they will not stagnate or stop building if they did it would be called Humboldt Depot where nothing new is approved or sadly even considered before the vocal minority starts playing chicken little.

  5. April 6, 2010 at 6:49 am

    so now you will support the marina center?.

    Yep. Sounds to me the opponents main issue for resistance might be a non- issue now.

  6. Cooper
    April 6, 2010 at 6:56 am

    Add to that, the developer may not have the financial resources to actually build what he is proposing.

  7. Anonymous
    April 6, 2010 at 7:02 am

    Bait-and-switch is a time-honored development tactic. Sell your need based on an occupancy the public finds acceptable, then rent to whoever will pay up.

    Pelican Bay, home to California’s nastiest criminals, was sold to the public as a minimum-security facility. Eureka’s Halvorsen Park was originally the Halvorsen Hilton; he got city money involved, then defaulted. Nice park. Quite the prison. Re-elect Bonnie Neely.

  8. April 6, 2010 at 7:02 am

    Tawdry consumer products where consumers look alike – so funny and styleless!

    At least buy something local and different than elsewhere for “a change”, right? Or, do local yokals all look like those days in missionary school – similar cuts of clothing and living supplies to that of the same order but different chapter of gathering somewhere else in the country.

    Must be weird and funny for two people to be near each other to realize they just spent their hard earned money on some Home Depot happy face/smiley shirt never thinking that in the very same day, the two happy/smiley shirt buyers would be standing next to each other in a subway sandwich line, lol.

    Jeffrey Lytle
    McKinleyville – 5th District

  9. Spongy Morel
    April 6, 2010 at 7:19 am

    I believe Anonymous @ 7:02’s assessment is correct. The Arkley business plan is centered around a big-box anchor store but I don’t think they’re necessarily tied to Home Depot. Any old big-box will do.

  10. anymouse
    April 6, 2010 at 7:23 am

    WAL-MART!

  11. April 6, 2010 at 7:27 am

    I agree they probably don’t care which big box anchors the project, but the Marina Center website has a page dedicated to Home Depot.

  12. Cooper
    April 6, 2010 at 7:33 am

    Wal-Mart would still be a tough sell. Ten years ago Eureka voters rejected Wal-Mart on the Balloon Track by a 2-1 margin.

  13. April 6, 2010 at 7:38 am

    It wouldn’t be up to the voters this time.

  14. A Non A Me
    April 6, 2010 at 8:03 am

    Oh, God! If Home Depot is not a big enough scare, let us all now claim that Wal-Mart is going to be the next big devil. If someone says it at least 10 times, it must be true.
    Don’t tell Bonnie, because she may not get all that Pierson money if Home Depot is not the rally point.

  15. Humboldt Politico
    April 6, 2010 at 8:04 am

    When the entire Marina Center project started, ground breaking was scheduled to have begun by now.

    The only thing driving the project now is Arkley’s ego. The financing is no longer available, the big box anchor has moved in another direction, and litigation will tie it up for the rest of the decade.

    Ego and arrogance.

  16. April 6, 2010 at 8:04 am

    The only reason it was up to the vote before, is Wal-Mart tried to force it’s will.

  17. A Non A Me
    April 6, 2010 at 8:10 am

    So, Heraldo, the voters should decide on which projects? How about a building permit for a house? No, just a business you don’t want?
    Should every private project become a political campaign?
    Silly and stupid are words that come to mind.

  18. April 6, 2010 at 8:14 am

    More like A Non A Brain this morning.

    It was a simple statement. Voters will not have a say on any big box on the Balloon Track as proposed by Security National.

  19. Cooper
    April 6, 2010 at 8:24 am

    The only reason it was up to the vote before, is Wal-Mart tried to force it’s will.

    So is Arkley.

  20. d'herbois
    April 6, 2010 at 8:24 am

    how about make the marina devekopment a living exhibit featuring knucklescraping asshats giving their exhausted, ludicrous arguments?
    -ie, how good clear cutting is for the a forest’s health, hippies and not the nuclear plant and other pollution ruined local fishing, make government more like businesses(bhopal, a.i.g. and the chronic wall street banking scandals), the military never lies or screws-up (especially with the privatization drive), and you can always trust your priests to mind the welfare of your children,businesses always know better than the government (hey, just look at the chinese economic miracle!)…

  21. April 6, 2010 at 8:28 am

    Ah, but that was in land zoning. Arkley is going through the political, and legal process. People will not have a vote on the process, unless SN chooses to. I’m not sure if gov, can put it to the vote? People still have a say on the process.

  22. Bolithio
    April 6, 2010 at 8:31 am

    What store gets built in the MC is speculative right now anyways, considering its still an old trail yard. By the time they are actually ready to break ground on anything, it could be what 2, 3, 5 years? 50? If we look at how unpredictable business has been as of late, any press release from anyone is subject to potential radical change in a 5 year period. So don’t get your hope up mr pierson.

  23. A Non A Me
    April 6, 2010 at 8:33 am

    Arkley is forcing his will, just like anyone who owns property who wants to build something on it. What is the difference if Joe Blow wants to build a repair shop on a lot or if Arkley wants to build the Marina Center. It is just the size of the project.
    So dim wit Heraldo, is it just that it is Arkley?
    Oh, stupid me, we don’t have the same rules for everyone!
    Another “Animal Farm” quote, “some animals are more equal than other animals”.

  24. Bolithio
    April 6, 2010 at 8:37 am

    “”Ego and arrogance.””

    hmm. Ego for sure. That drives us all. But id say its more tenacity than arrogance. Good thing too. But i guess the more people try to prevent this from happening the more likely the balloon track will remain exactly how it is. useless. yay!

  25. April 6, 2010 at 8:38 am

    Clear as mud you are, A Non A Me.

    Arkley is forcing his will, just like anyone who owns property who wants to build something on it.

    What is that? The HumCPR fight song?

  26. A Non A Me
    April 6, 2010 at 8:41 am

    Well now, I am not sure of your point. Who should be able to build on their land and who should not?

  27. drdetroilet
    April 6, 2010 at 8:41 am

    Nardilla or whatever his name did a piss poor job at HD and walked away with the typical golden parachute. Hey HIGH FIANhole guy , tell me again why these tured are worth a shit. Give me the reins of a Co like that and I’d have atleast a 50% chance to turn a profit. Just walk the floor as a customer once every week or so and it dosen’t take a rocket scientist to figure whats fucked up. These CEOs talk about all they prussure the face, yah right,knowing you have that Goldend shute sure must stree the hell out of you and will probably effect their golf game. So where dose this turd end up? Chrysler corp or whats left of it after its been raided and dumped like some drunk whore after the Hedge fund fucks get every last bit of blood out of it. F/u CEOs.

  28. April 6, 2010 at 8:44 am

    Who should be able to build on their land and who should not?

    That’s not a real question. There is that sticky issue of zoning, but as stated up thread, it won’t be put to the voters this time.

  29. A Non A Me
    April 6, 2010 at 8:51 am

    Correct,
    If you step back and look at the land, the Marina Center is a good use for this site. The focus became Home Deopt which changes the issue from the greater project to just this hot button. If Home Depot is gone, the project may not pencil. Unfortunately in this market, almost no project will pencil, but when doing real estate planning, you must plan for the long term future and have your project ready when the market is right.

  30. Humboldt Politico
    April 6, 2010 at 8:52 am

    Actually, it will be put to a vote – The November Council Elections.

  31. A Non A Me
    April 6, 2010 at 8:55 am

    Direct vote, not changing political winds. When thinking like yours becomes widespread, then all elections will be focused on one hot button issue, which is not good for the community.

  32. High Finance
    April 6, 2010 at 8:59 am

    So what bogeyman will the left play now? IF Home Depot decides to back out (and that news story does not say that it will), will the left show their true hypocritical stripes & continue to oppose the Marina Center?

    Since Bonnie’s only real objection to it is her thirst for revenge against Arkley, what will she be able to say now?

  33. April 6, 2010 at 9:01 am

    Hahahahahahaha! Thirst for revenge? Poor Arkley! Now he’s the victim of revenge, not the purveyor of it.

  34. Spongy Morel
    April 6, 2010 at 9:09 am

    Ah, but I thought it was being put to the voters. I was under the impression that that’s what the Bass and Leonard campaigns were about.

  35. Cheesedick
    April 6, 2010 at 9:22 am

    The Marina Center should be a huge Bayfront Marijuana Coffeeshop. A huge draw for global stoners.
    …and the bums can pick up the roaches…

  36. April 6, 2010 at 9:25 am

    Maintaining the current zoning of ‘public use” could be enforced by a vote of the people, if needed. It would take an initiative effort no doubt, but it could be done.

    have a peaceful day,
    Bill

  37. Plain Jane
    April 6, 2010 at 9:27 am

    The change in zoning is up to the city council, not the Board of Supervisors, so electing Bass or Leonard (or Neely) is irrelevant to the Marina Center zone change.

  38. Humboldt Politico
    April 6, 2010 at 9:27 am

    Actually, if the Council is restructured to 3 to 2 against instead of the current 3 to 2 for, the project will die.

    Remember, both Jeff and Mike are termed out.

  39. the reasonable anonymous
    April 6, 2010 at 9:28 am

    Are you sure about that, P.J.? If that’s true, it certainly changes the picture quite a bit.

  40. A Non A Me
    April 6, 2010 at 9:32 am

    PJ is correct, this project is in the City and the City will make the decisions, but Bonnie is on the CC which is the King of Killer for projects.

  41. Plain Jane
    April 6, 2010 at 9:32 am

    I’m pretty sure, Reasonable. It is within the city limits, not in the county. And I agree, it does change the picture. It was the City Council which denied the zoning change for Walmart so Walmart forced a vote.

  42. Plain Jane
    April 6, 2010 at 9:34 am

    And A Non A Me is absolutely correct. They want Neely off the CCC, as if she is the most environmentally conscientious person there. LOL!

  43. 707
    April 6, 2010 at 9:38 am

    Bonnie is not the most environmentally conscientious voting member of the CCC. In fact, she might be one of the most conservative.

  44. Plain Jane
    April 6, 2010 at 9:42 am

    It’s ironic that Neely’s challengers are funded (and assisted) by local developers because of her position as Chair of CCC who at the same time are screaming because she received a non-local developer donation due to her seat on the CCC. Or is that just plain old hypocrisy?

  45. Plain Jane
    April 6, 2010 at 9:42 am

    Right, 707. Like I said “as if.”

  46. mresquan
    April 6, 2010 at 9:50 am

    It would be hilarious to see Virginia beat Bonnie,ditching her influence on city council,and then to see Jerry Brown put Lovelace,Clif,Pat Higgins,or Cleary on the CCC.
    I still think it is a bizarre decision for the Arkley crowd to be backing Virginia for the board of supes seat.Even given the idea that Arkley has plenty more property throughout the county that could use her vote if needed,her votes will likely be on the losing side,given the makeup of the board of supes.

  47. Humboldt Politico
    April 6, 2010 at 9:51 am

    And remember, if Virginia and Bonnie go to a runoff in November, Virginia can’t run for Mayor again.

  48. Bolithio
    April 6, 2010 at 9:53 am

    It is ridiculous to assume that whoever would ‘replace’ Bonnie on the CCC would be any better for them.

  49. Country Mouse
    April 6, 2010 at 9:57 am

    “If Home Depot is gone, the project may not pencil. Unfortunately in this market, almost no project will pencil . . .”

    Another straw man argument from the Marina Center proponents: “If there’s no Big Box, any project will fail.”

    Not only is that total bullshit, the City of Truckee, which is astonishingly like Eureka in its size and history, is proving us wrong. Check out what they did with their Balloon Track (also in the center of their town):

    http://www.truckeerailyard.com/

    If only Jeff Leonard hadn’t killed Eureka’s Master Plan for its Balloon Track, back in 2005! Read about it:

    http://www.northcoastjournal.com/110404/cover1104.html

  50. Plain Jane
    April 6, 2010 at 9:58 am

    So you think its for revenge, Bolithio?

  51. Mr. Nice
    April 6, 2010 at 10:13 am

    They should just open up onna them iGrow Hydro big-box stores like they got down the block from OAK. Y’all been in that place? It’s hella easy to get to, just act like you are going to the Coliseum and hang a right. That shit is like the Best Buy of growth regulators. That’s what Eureka needs, some big ass weed growing store. What the fuck do y’all think half the people going to Home Depot are gonna build? Every time I’m in a hardware store around here people are all buying mesh wire, clips, scissors, drip line, 50 gallon pots… they ain’t growing peas, they’re growing ps.

  52. Bolithio
    April 6, 2010 at 10:16 am

    God I dont know. But I bet both sides of this are equally spiteful of each other though.

  53. the reasonable anonymous
    April 6, 2010 at 10:18 am

    Just what we need, a hydroponics / indoor grow Big Box coming on line just as the economics of indoor growing are (thankfully) heading the way of wagon-wheel shops. Yeah, that’ll work.

  54. the reasonable anonymous
    April 6, 2010 at 10:19 am

    “both sides of this are equally spiteful of each other though”

    Yup, sure looks that way.

  55. Not A Native
    April 6, 2010 at 10:23 am

    Look, the idea that a developer here “forced their will” is just nutty Cap’s hyperbole. Its equally nutty to repeat it.

    Wal Mart and SN both used legal and public processes to pursue their goals. Maybe they aggressively “exerted political influence”, “used fear tactics”, “threatened to economically ‘destroy’ their opponents” or “spread disinformation”, but they didn’t use force.

    Has anyone seen company security workers preventing people from voting, attending meetings or publicizing their opinions. Packing a public meeting with supporters isn’t using force, its a lobbying tactic.

  56. Plain Jane
    April 6, 2010 at 10:28 am

    I used the word “forced” because Walmart used paid signature gatherers to put the rezoning on the ballot after it was denied by city council. They couldn’t “force” their will on the city, but they did “force” the city to waste a lot of money on a special election.

  57. the reasonable anonymous
    April 6, 2010 at 10:49 am

    So now we’re arguing about what the definition of “forced” is?

  58. April 6, 2010 at 10:51 am

    Thanks for the link to the Truckee railyard plan. Compare that city’s phase 1 with what’s proposed for Eureka:

    Phase 1A proposes to include an extension of commercial and residential uses of compatible scale and character to Commercial Row. This will include some retail and restaurant space, live/work spaces, workforce housing, and a boutique hotel.

    Truckee residents support the plan, unlike the divisive controversy we have here.

  59. A Non A Me
    April 6, 2010 at 10:52 am

    You will learn the true definition of “forced” when Bonnie unleashes her campaign funded by the probably $200,000 she will raise in Sacramento. Hold on to your hats.

  60. Country Mouse
    April 6, 2010 at 10:55 am

    Sounds like you’re both scared, and jealous!

  61. Country Mouse
    April 6, 2010 at 10:57 am

    Hey, where’s Barb Leonard? Did Jeff’s campaign workers finally tie her up and throw her in the basement?

  62. April 6, 2010 at 11:00 am

    Pass the tissues. Poor Virginia’s giant bilboards in Myrtletown will be drowned out by the force the Neelyator!

  63. Bolithio
    April 6, 2010 at 11:07 am

    “”compatible scale and character””

    God I hope the fate of the balloon track and vicinity is not of the same character as it is now. I think objectively, just about anything short of a school is compatible with the currently useless area. Looking at the coop, superstores seem to fit the pre-existing “scale”. Also, anything, will step up the “character” of the balloon track. Geese, even graded dirt at this point would be refreshing.

  64. Consumer
    April 6, 2010 at 11:10 am

    Anon 7:02 – those projects were promoted by Bonnie. If we can just get her re-elected we can have more prisons etc.

  65. Mr. Nice
    April 6, 2010 at 11:26 am

    God I hope the fate of the balloon track and vicinity is not of the same character as it is now. I think objectively, just about anything short of a school is compatible with the currently useless area. Looking at the coop, superstores seem to fit the pre-existing “scale”. Also, anything, will step up the “character” of the balloon track. Geese, even graded dirt at this point would be refreshing.

    I like the current character, it has some of the best graffiti in Eureka. Folks throw up new shit all the time too. It would be a step up to have a bigass wall for people to graf on though like Home Depots in other cities. Could even get the spray paint right in the store. Prolly will sell etch too. What would be the shit is if they left all the traincars there too.

  66. Plain Jane
    April 6, 2010 at 11:28 am

    Gosh, the last time I checked Pelican Bay was in Del Norte County. Is Bonnie on their BOS too?????

  67. Plain Jane
    April 6, 2010 at 11:34 am

    Eugene, Oregon, turned their old depot into a fine restaurant which incorporated old rail cars into its design. In fact, their Old Town with its parks along the waterfront would be a great model to follow.

    http://local.yahoo.com/info-22011120-oregon-electric-station-eugene

  68. Anonymous
    April 6, 2010 at 1:39 pm

    The difference for Truckee is that the City purchased the rail yard and owned it and then asked for public comment on what people would like to see there. I seem to remember the project was financed by their Redevelopment Agency. A couple of years ago there was an article about all the old rail yards and what is being done with them but they had been purchased by the City they were located in.

    When property is privately owned I don’t they need to ask what people would like to see there.

  69. Anonymous
    April 6, 2010 at 1:48 pm

    1:39, it’s called zoning, and determines what use or uses is allowed on a property. This is because, if we let anyone build anything they want, we might end up with inappropriately placed neighbors. Who wants a factory, for example, next door to their house?

    The people who own a piece of land (e.g. Rob Arkley) may build whatever is allowed already, or they can petition for a change in the zoning (that’s where you and me, the public, get a say). If we weren’t a representative democracy, but say a monarchy, the appeal would go to the local land baron, then if needed to the King. Unfortunately for local land barons (see above), we are not a monarchy.

  70. Anonymous
    April 6, 2010 at 3:11 pm

    When you ask for a rezone, you are asking the public.

  71. Plain Jane
    April 6, 2010 at 3:50 pm

    “When property is privately owned I don’t they need to ask what people would like to see there.”

    So if someone buys land next door in your residential neighborhood to raise pigs, that’s fine with you?

  72. A Non A Me
    April 6, 2010 at 3:56 pm

    It would be fine if you were in an ag zone, and you can not raise pigs in a residential zone, so this is not even a reasonable example.

  73. April 6, 2010 at 4:08 pm

    Another thing about this Home Depot biz is the company announced it would focus on smaller stores under 100,000 sq ft. The Marina Center EIR said its big box plan is 132,000 sq ft.

  74. Anonymous
    April 6, 2010 at 4:12 pm

    I thought that big boxes couldn’t make it up here because of Richardson Grove.

  75. April 6, 2010 at 4:15 pm

    The Marina Center EIR assumes the Richardson Grove project is complete.

  76. Anonymous
    April 6, 2010 at 4:16 pm

    I suppose, but you know what happens when you assume.

  77. Truth Speaker
    April 6, 2010 at 4:22 pm

    Jane, you arguing both sides. Previously, you’ve told me that Arkely bought the land, so he is in charge of the environmental clean-up whatever the costs may be. Now you are arguing that we, the public, should have an influence as to what he wants to do with his site. So it’s his site to clean-up, and then we decide what he gets to do with it. Outside of the ridiculous example of a pig farm (or anything else that poses a risk to public health), how can you justify giving the owner property rights for clean-up but not for the businesses he brings in? What is the justification for allowing the public to determine what private businesses do outside of the environmental concerns?

  78. April 6, 2010 at 4:24 pm

    The BT is zoned for public use.

  79. A-Nony-Mouse
    April 6, 2010 at 4:33 pm

    A Non A Me doesn’t get it. The REASON you can’t raise pigs in a residential zone is BECAUSE it is ZONED RESIDENTIAL. Very few people in a Residential Zone want pigs living next door (there’s room for BAD jokes here). The reason Arkley can’t build his Big Box heaven on the Balloon Track yet is that it is still zoned (mostly ) PUBLIC.

    My dream for the Track is for a reasonably large light industrial area (real jobs!) that could be tied into Short Sea Shipping (coastal barges) at the Schneider dock right down the road. Include as much wetland restoration as possible and a small scale retail/restaurant area (a neighborhood?) up on the Old Town end, hopefully to tie in with existiing business. The famous EIR even listed a similar alternative as feasable.

    You know, it doesn’t matter who owns the Track. If the owner is willing to work WITH the public to develop an economically feasable plan that the community will accept, he is so far ahead of the game, it’s silly. If, instead, he has NO regard for the public and is intent on cramming his ill-conceived out-of-scale monster down the public’s throat, he is going to get resistance that could possibly jeopardize the whole deal. RA is the doing the latter and that’s just DUMB!

  80. Truth Speaker
    April 6, 2010 at 4:47 pm

    I know little to nothing about zoning. I looked up public use and this is what I found.

    What is a Public Use?
    The use of land, water or building by a municipality, public body or board, commission, authority, county, state or the federal government or agency thereof for a public service purpose. Public Uses are permitted in any zoning district upon approval by the county.

    I don’t understand how uncle rob, a private businessman, can own land zoned for public use. can someone explain to me what it means to be zoned for public use while owned by a private citizen?

  81. April 6, 2010 at 4:52 pm

    Not A Native Says:
    April 6, 2010 at 10:23 am

    Look, the idea that a developer here “forced their will” is just nutty Cap’s hyperbole. Its equally nutty to repeat it.

    Go back to reading comp., or learn how to read/glance through things better.

    I said Wal-Mart forced its will. They thought going to a vote, would allow them to do an end run around the city counsel.

  82. Plain Jane
    April 6, 2010 at 4:57 pm

    It was designated public years ago so the city could control what was located there. Arkley knew the zoning before he bought it.

  83. Plain Jane
    April 6, 2010 at 4:59 pm

    And it may have been that they were hoping the railroad would return.

  84. April 6, 2010 at 5:00 pm

    It was zoned partly public because of the effort to put a new jail on there. Ownership doesn’t equal zoning, or vice versa.

  85. April 6, 2010 at 5:01 pm

    From Caltrans Richardson Grove Project Page:

    This project will adjust the roadway alignment to accommodate STAA truck travel through Richardson Grove. Improvement of goods movement will help local businesses stay competitive in the marketplace.

    Stay competitive? How would bringing big boxes in help local based businesses? Wouldn’t this promote over-competition? Is this project for the local marketplace, or for something much Big(Box)er?

    Current Schedule

    * Final Environmental Document/Project Approval and Environmental Clearance – Spring 2010
    o Please note: If you have sent us comments or questions with your mailing address or email address, you will be notified when the final environmental document is available.
    * Project to Construction – Winter/Spring 2011

    The RIP is not going to happen, it has already been pushed back over a year, and I would bet that Caltrans will be forced to push it back even further due to legal and environmental issues.

    It’s not going to happen. And this issue with the Balloon Tract could be solved by cleaning it up and putting in a community center, rec center, or even more needed…a shelter.

    Don’t they usually build schools and parks on toxic dumps anyway?

  86. Country Mouse
    April 6, 2010 at 5:08 pm

    A-Nony-Mouse’s idea for the Balloon Track of being a dedicated light industrial area for short sea shipping out of the Schneider dock is the best one I have heard in a long time.

  87. Truth Speaker
    April 6, 2010 at 5:08 pm

    so arkley has to get the approval of the city council before construction? is that basically what the public use zoning means?

    5:01- you really expect a private businessman to spend millions out of his own pocket for enviro clean-up and then build a rec center or a shelter that will bring him no revenue and will bring the city nothing in taxes.

  88. April 6, 2010 at 5:10 pm

    Truth Speaker Says:

    5:01- you really expect a private businessman to spend millions out of his own pocket for enviro clean-up and then build a rec center or a shelter that will bring him no revenue and will bring the city nothing in taxes.

    Nope. There’s no money in altruism.

  89. Anonymous
    April 6, 2010 at 5:20 pm

    The minor realignment IS going to happen Jeff. Fix the road, save lives.

    The condition of the road at RG is not affecting the ability of big boxes to get their product here; i.e. Target, Costco, Kmart.

  90. Country Mouse
    April 6, 2010 at 5:22 pm

    “so arkley has to get the approval of the city council before construction? is that basically what the public use zoning means?”

    Yes, that is correct: if Mr. Arkley wants to build a development out of the current public zoning, he must appeal to the city council for a zoning change. But this is universal municipal code, absolutely part of his understanding when he bought the place.

    The project cleanup, I believe, is tailored to the cleanup, meaning that you shouldn’t expect in the future to see kids there playing in sandboxes at day care centers.

  91. Country Mouse
    April 6, 2010 at 5:23 pm

    “The project cleanup, I believe, is tailored to the cleanup,”

    I meant to say: “The project development, I believe, is tailored to the cleanup,”

  92. April 6, 2010 at 5:28 pm

    # Anonymous Says:
    April 6, 2010 at 5:20 pm

    The condition of the road at RG is not affecting the ability of big boxes to get their product here; i.e. Target, Costco, Kmart.

    Really? Then we don’t need the project, according to Caltrans.

    From Caltrans Richardson Grove Project Page:

    This project will adjust the roadway alignment to accommodate STAA truck travel through Richardson Grove. Improvement of goods movement will help local businesses stay competitive in the marketplace.

    # Heraldo Says:
    April 6, 2010 at 4:08 pm

    Another thing about this Home Depot biz is the company announced it would focus on smaller stores under 100,000 sq ft. The Marina Center EIR said its big box plan is 132,000 sq ft.

    # Anonymous Says:
    April 6, 2010 at 4:12 pm

    I thought that big boxes couldn’t make it up here because of Richardson Grove.

    # Heraldo Says:
    April 6, 2010 at 4:15 pm

    The Marina Center EIR assumes the Richardson Grove project is complete.

    And it never will be…

  93. Anonymous
    April 6, 2010 at 5:38 pm

    Jeff conveniently ignores the fact that the realignment of highway 101 is not solely for the supposed benefit of big box stores.

    Jeff conveniently ignores the fact than many (and it seems most) local businesses are in favor of the road realignment at RC.

    Jeff conveniently ignores the safety factor – this realignment will save lives.

    Jeff likes to talk in circles, picking and choosing his talking points to suit his argument.

    Fix the road. Save lives.

  94. April 6, 2010 at 5:38 pm

    Richardson Grove has been a done deal for a couple years now- construction just hasn’t started. Check out a map of the Trans Texas Corridor and the future NAFTA toll road system. 101 is going to be a toll road and is slated for transponders to collect the tolls, meaning you slaves will be forced to put a tracking box in your cars to pay a mileage tax while having govt keep records of your travels.
    Public money builds the roads, “debt” causes the state governments to turn the roads over to offshore toll companies that maintain the roads in exchange for 100 year leases. A look at the TTC map shows a tool road to Arcata-

    This won’t happen next week, but it will regardless of what any slave has to say about it, and you WILL put a tracking device in your car and be tolled by the mile- even driving on your own land. Don’t bitch when you vote for your green bullshit and find out that YOU, not a “wealthy” person will be paying the taxes.

  95. Anonymous
    April 6, 2010 at 6:35 pm

    what’s wrong with big box? cheap groceries,cheap clothing,inexpensive rubbermaid containers,and a shitload of poor people living humboldt county!all those asshole owned mom and pop stores need to go away already!i hope the arkleys burn you out!!!

  96. Anonymous
    April 6, 2010 at 6:41 pm

    Big boxes in Humboldt County – K-Mart, Costco, Safeway, Target, ACE Hardware, Kohls and possibly some companies like RiteAid, etc. Can’t think of all of them right now but there are probably others.

    Lots of people think of K-Mart as their “local store” as well as the other “big boxes” that are actually here. They still can’t bring in goods without using a smaller truck and if there is a store in Crescent City to be supplied in the same trip might have to reload to another truck which costs more. I have seen some trucks come in from Oregon that appear to be a mite too long to get here but somehow they did.

    Oregon runs triple trailer gas trucks and that is why their gas is a lot cheaper along with some chemicals that they don’t have to put in.

  97. Country Mouse
    April 6, 2010 at 6:53 pm

    Yeah, let’s turn Humboldt County into a commercial big box wasteland as quickly as we can, all in the name of cheaper tube socks for the poor! This is your idea of true economic justice?

  98. Walter
    April 6, 2010 at 7:01 pm

    Home Depot coming to Eureka? HAHAHAHAHA………. no.

  99. Country Mouse
    April 6, 2010 at 7:58 pm

    So let me get this straight:

    Winco and Canned Foods Outlet don’t offer cheap enough groceries. The tube socks at Super K-Mart are too expensive.

    Ergo: BEureka desperately needs a Wal-Mart, and you’re anti-poor if you disagree!

  100. Anonymous
    April 6, 2010 at 10:04 pm

    Black F the Texas corridor has been shut down by Fred Grant/ Stewards of the Range. The real issues get real fight by real American advocates. RG is a done deal and not an attack on the Humboldt way of life. It will not be a toll road no matter how hard you try to beat the silly drum.

  101. April 7, 2010 at 5:14 am

    If changing the name of a project means it’s over, I guess it must be true. Cintra, who had a presidential bid, and a seat in building 7 on 9/11 is quite alive and well, tolling Texans and putting transponders in cars, just like what is planned for here.
    I suggest you look at the map and see the planned transponder toll road for the 101 to Arcata. I never said it was an attack on the “Humboldt” way of life- whatever that is supposed to mean, I just said the PTB have this area slated for transponders and this is going to happen.
    Many states are turning over paid roads to offshore toll companies which force transponders in cars. There has even been talk of turning over some of the bridges in SF to this scheme, what voice would anyone around here have against an offshore corporation wanting your travel data along with a fee paid per mile?

    btw- That Humboldt way of life thing made me chuckle again! harr harr

  102. Pitchfork
    April 7, 2010 at 8:26 am

    5:38 Drive slowly through the majestic trees and save lives!

  103. Anonymous
    April 7, 2010 at 8:56 am

    Winco just like Costco is not always cheap. Don’t know if it would lower prices with bigger trucks though. Costco seems to have mostly the same prices in different areas but some stores like Santa Rosa vary quite a bit and even have different products than Eureka. Probably because Santa Rosa is larger but then there are several Costcos in the area also.

  104. Anonymous
    April 7, 2010 at 8:58 am

    Hi Pitchfork,

    I myself do drive slowly and carefully through that stretch of road; unfortunately, many others do not and I have witnessed numerous accidents over the years.

    Ask So Hum native Ernie Branscomb about this dangerous stretch of road. He is a volutneer fireman down in the Garberville area and has witnessed first hand many, many terrible accidents in and through the Grove.

  105. April 7, 2010 at 9:37 am

    Hey 10:51!

    Live/work spaces, how conceptual and visionary. In this “art-friendly” community? Not any time soon. It’s too bad, the magic wand hasn’t been waved over the Building Department to change zoning to assist artists in this community. But, then again, we support the arts, don’t we. Bah. But organizations well galdly take our art pieces for their fundraisers, without compensation. How nice.

  106. April 7, 2010 at 11:07 pm

    No accidents in Richardson Grove State Park for the last 5 years. Zero…

  107. April 8, 2010 at 7:25 am

    Only due to luck.

  108. The Monitor
    April 8, 2010 at 10:24 am

    One wonders what planet Randy Gans lives on. Where ever it is, it is lighted by a dark star. The real world has gone through a major economic shift and businesses like SN are in hard times, funding sources have dried up and companies like HD have changed where they do business. Our little cul-de-sac doesn’t look profitable anymore. Sorry Randy, you have hooked your wagon to the wrong star. The only thing happening now on the balloon tract is legal maneuvering to get out without loosing face.

  109. April 11, 2010 at 3:23 pm

    Skill Cap.

    Slow down for the grove. Respect the trees and remember why we live here in paradise.

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