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Neely – Bass debate tonight

The League of Women Voters (LWV) will moderate a debate between 4th District Supervisorial candidates Bonnie Neely and Virginia Bass tonight from 7:00 – 8:30 at the Wharfinger.

Lee Ulansey.

The debate will be co-sponsored by the Humboldt Coalition for Property Rights (HumCPR), a group that strongly supports Bass — and she them. The group’s talking points on the General Plan Update (GPU) regularly fall out of her mouth despite her shocking admission in May that she hadn’t thought much about the Update.  HumCPR chairman Lee Ulansey is a big donor to the Bass campaign.

Bass attempted to appoint Ulansey to the Eureka Planning Commission last year, and will likely appoint him to the County Planning Commission if elected.

The LWV and HumCPR will also sponsor a debate between 5th District Supervisor candidates on Tuesday in McKinleyville at Azalea Hall.  In this race, too, HumCPR has already chosen its favored candidate, Ryan Sundberg, over Patrick Cleary.

The latest HumCPR newsletter includes answers from local candidates to CPR questions. In addition to editorial comments inserted into some candidates’ answers, Ulansey huffs and puffs at responses by both Neely and Cleary in his introduction. In typical Chicken Little fashion, he implies Neely and Cleary “won’t even consider your wishes” if elected.  And hey, the sky is falling.

The debates will not be broadcast live but will air on Access Humboldt at a later date.

  1. Wondering
    October 4, 2010 at 7:26 am

    Does anyone know if CPR is a 501c3? What is their legal structure? If they are a 501c3 it is illegal for them to support candidates and their biased comments on their survey would be a violation of their tax status.

  2. Anonymous
    October 4, 2010 at 7:32 am

    LWV stopped moderating debates some time ago. They now only do “forums”. They no longer allow for rebuttals, thus they are no longer debates. Maybe its easier on them, maybe they want to handicap the more prepared candidates. What ever reason, we not longer have debates in Humboldt County.

  3. Decline to State
    October 4, 2010 at 7:34 am

    I’m surprised that Neely would participate in such a heavily loaded debate. A measure of the confidence she has in her qualifications over Bass’s I suppose.

    The only thing that gives this debate any legitimacy at all is that the League of Women Voters will be acting as a sort of firewall between HumCPR and the candidates.

  4. anon
    October 4, 2010 at 7:38 am

    I’m surprised that Neely would participate in such a heavily loaded debate. A measure of the confidence she has in her qualifications over Bass’s I suppose

    I think Bonnie is smart to take it straight to Hum CPR. She a tough nut and will do well. Go Bonnie!

  5. Anonymous
    October 4, 2010 at 7:53 am

    “HumCPR chairman Lee Ulansey is a big donor to the Bass campaign.” “Bass attempted to appoint Ulansey to the Eureka Planning Commission last year.”
    This pissed off Ulansey so much that he went out recruited someone to run against Glass for denying him a seat on the planning commission.

  6. unaligned
    October 4, 2010 at 10:25 am

    I saw an message from Health Humboldt saying:

    “Surprisingly, the League has agreed to co-sponsor these forums with the Humboldt Coalition for Property Rights”

    Surprisingly? The LWV is an unbiased, non partisan group. The last supervisors’ forum was co-sponsored with Healthy Humboldt. Going with CPR this time is even handed and shows true non partisanship.

    What part of unbiased does Healthy Humboldt not understand?

  7. anonymous
    October 4, 2010 at 10:53 am

    Bass must be cramming bigtime today so she doesn’t sound as uninformed as she actually is. Hope her head doesn’t explode.

  8. Anonymous
    October 4, 2010 at 10:57 am

    HumCPR leadership has endorsed candidates before the debates. Healthy Humboldt did not.

  9. Plain Jane
    October 4, 2010 at 11:13 am

    I hope everyone reads Krugman’s column today. It’s all about right wing business and media buying politicians. A remake of Citizen Kane but with a slight revision. Kane (i.e. the right wing elite) isn’t seeking elected office for himself but for his totally owned puppets.

  10. unaligned
    October 4, 2010 at 11:15 am

    “HumCPR leadership has endorsed candidates before the debates. Healthy Humboldt did not.”

    The “leadership” of these organizations are people. People can endorse candidates. 501c3 organizations can not endorse. Anonymous is unclear on the rules of the game.

  11. Anonymous
    October 4, 2010 at 11:21 am

    Those were the rules set out by the LWV. HumCPR chose to ignore them.

  12. unaligned
    October 4, 2010 at 11:40 am

    “Those were the rules set out by the LWV”

    What? You claim the LWV told individuals they could not endorse a candidate? The LWV said they would not co-sponsor a forum with a group if the individuals working for the group endorsed?

    I don’t believe it. Give some concrete evidence or admit you are full of it.

  13. Anonymous
    October 4, 2010 at 12:15 pm

    It was a request of Healthy Humboldt. I can’t imagine that the LWV would risk their unbiased position and not make the same request of HumCPR.

  14. unaligned
    October 4, 2010 at 12:53 pm

    “It was a request of Healthy Humboldt.”

    You mean LWV required that the “leadership” of Healthy Humboldt refrain from endorsing as a condition of co-sponsorship of the forum?

    Are you part of the “leadership” of Healthy Humboldt? You would have to be to know about the “alleged” request. Again, show us the request, or admit that your claim is BS.

    Sorry, I still don’t buy it.

  15. Anonymous
    October 4, 2010 at 1:00 pm

    “You mean LWV required that the “leadership” of Healthy Humboldt refrain from endorsing as a condition of co-sponsorship of the forum?”

    Yup, that is what I heard. Not BS.

  16. Anonynous
    October 4, 2010 at 1:20 pm

    “You mean LWV required that the “leadership” of Healthy Humboldt refrain from endorsing as a condition of co-sponsorship of the forum?”

    Nope. thats an outright lie.

    The leadership of Healthy Humboldt consists of the leadership of NEC and most, if not all of whom have made endorsements. Beyond that Healthy Humboldters like Eliz Connors have also made endorsements. Members of the LWV have made endorsements too.

  17. nadia
    October 4, 2010 at 1:36 pm

    I’m very confused. Lee Ulansey does not live in the City of Eureka, so how could he be appointed to the Eureka Planning Commission? Also, Lee Ulansey does not live in the 4th Supervisorial District. He lives in the Third Supervisorial District. When Bass is elected to the Board of Supervisors (not if), I believe that by ordinance she must appoint someone to the County Planning Commission that lives in the 4th District.

  18. Walt
    October 4, 2010 at 1:52 pm

    Define “lives.” Define “in.”

  19. Anonymous
    October 4, 2010 at 1:58 pm

    “Eliz Connors have also made endorsements”

    Yes, but not until after the HH debates. Check your facts.

  20. Anonynous
    October 4, 2010 at 2:16 pm

    How about Larry Glass, Pete Nichols, Jen Kult, and theres morem all of whom have made endorsements before the debates. What about League members who have also made endorsements?

    Check your facts.

  21. Plain Jane
    October 4, 2010 at 2:26 pm

    I do hope someone will be blogging from the debate for those of us unable to attend. Please?

  22. Anonymous
    October 4, 2010 at 2:27 pm

    If you own a business in Eureka, including income property, you qualify to sit on Eureka’s boards and commissions – even the planning commission.

    Does this surprise you?

  23. Gump
    October 4, 2010 at 2:33 pm

    “If you own a business in Eureka, including income property, you qualify to sit on Eureka’s boards and commissions – even the planning commission.

    Does this surprise you?”

    No. Should it?

  24. Goldie
    October 4, 2010 at 2:41 pm

    What questions do you hope will be asked?

  25. Anonymous
    October 4, 2010 at 2:47 pm

    Should it? Not really, but nadia asked

    “Lee Ulansey does not live in the City of Eureka, so how could he be appointed to the Eureka Planning Commission?” and this explains it.

  26. Anonymous
    October 4, 2010 at 2:50 pm

    “How about Larry Glass, Pete Nichols, Jen Kult, and theres morem all of whom have made endorsements before the debates.”

    Larry Glass, Pete Nichols – not on the HH board.
    Jen Kalt – did not endorse until after the debate.

    Check your facts.

  27. unaligned
    October 4, 2010 at 3:01 pm

    “Yup, that is what I heard. Not BS.”

    Oh, right. Indisputable evidence. Anonymous HEARD it. Not very convincing, from where I sit.

    Give it up Anonymous, the one claiming to be in the know about LWV requests to and Healthy Humboldt.

    No difference if you are part of the “leadership” or just a follower, you have not represented your group very well. What a shame the “leadership” at Healthy Humboldt is so dishonest. It really does hurt your cause.

  28. Anonymous
    October 4, 2010 at 3:02 pm

    Yes, and you are un-aligned. Mmph.

  29. Plain Jane
    October 4, 2010 at 3:03 pm

    Smearing Healthy Humboldt leadership because an anonymous poster makes a claim that you find less than credible doesn’t make a lot of sense, does it, “unaligned?”

  30. unaligned
    October 4, 2010 at 3:11 pm

    “Larry Glass, Pete Nichols – not on the HH board.
    Jen Kalt – did not endorse until after the debate.

    Check your facts.”

    Yeah, lets do that. The web site says:
    “Healthy Humboldt is a project of the NEC’s Sustainable Communities Program and is funded by member support and a grant from the California Endowment.”

    A project of the NEC, part of an NEC program. In other words, the NEC IS the “leadership”.

    Apparently, I am discoursing with a pathological liar. Better things to do.

    For the record, I support well-planned growth and protecting our resource lands. I’m very discouraged at the ineffective “leadership” at the NEC and Healthy Humboldt. Is it no mystery why this group has not gotten the strong support enjoyed by CPR.

  31. Anonynous
    October 4, 2010 at 3:12 pm

    HH is a “project” of NEC. They receive their mail at NEC, get their funding there and receive phone calls there. NEC and HH are essentially synonymous. NEC’s board is clearly the controling entity. NEC’s board has made endorsements.

    You know, never mind I have lost interest in the whole endorsement discussion. It’s dumb.

  32. unaligned
    October 4, 2010 at 3:20 pm

    ps.

    Plain Jane, I strongly suspect that Anonymous IS part of the “leadership” at Healthy Humboldt. The e-mail that I quoted was from this group. I was baiting and the dummy took my bait.

  33. Anonymous
    October 4, 2010 at 3:26 pm

    Despite all the ongoing conflicts that abound here, I know for a fact many Humboldters live in harmony with their neighbors.

  34. Ragtime
    October 4, 2010 at 3:31 pm

    My apologies for not identifying myself.

    I am “Ragtime.”

    I repeat:

    Despite all the ongoing conflicts that abound here, I know for a fact many Humboldters live in harmony with their neighbors.

  35. Anonymous
    October 4, 2010 at 3:43 pm

    I am not part of the “leadership”. But I heard some grumbles. And they seem to still hold water.

    Seems you are not so “unaligned”, eh?

  36. Anonymous
    October 4, 2010 at 3:46 pm

    “Is it no mystery why this group has not gotten the strong support enjoyed by CPR.”

    If by support you mean hundreds of thousands of dollars from developers and real estate speculators, then no mystery.

  37. Anonynous
    October 4, 2010 at 4:00 pm

    “If by support you mean hundreds of thousands of dollars from developers and real estate speculators, then no mystery.”

    Nope I think he means their four thousand members that cross all party and demographic lines. Did you see their latest newsletter. Articles by members Peter Childs and Rondal Snodgrass I suppose those are the kind of developers you are speaking of. I think I’d like to live in a Childs designed development.

  38. Sam
    October 4, 2010 at 4:04 pm

    Did the supervisors ever really take that young girl’s tuition funds?

  39. Not A Native
    October 4, 2010 at 4:12 pm

    I second PJ’s recommendtion to read Paul Krugman’s op-ed here.

    What Krugman implies is that if the Bush tax cuts for the very wealthy are allowed to continue, that money will not go into restructuring the US economy with the goal of creating new middle class opportunities. Instead, the money will be used to to buy supporters, media influence, and politicans who will preserve the current trend of increasing economic distance between the very wealthy and everyone else.

  40. Mitch
    October 4, 2010 at 4:26 pm

    So is it too much to ask that someone ask the candidates whether their houses are in the district in which they are running? Or does that lack relevance?

  41. none of the above
    October 4, 2010 at 4:32 pm

    Speaking of relevance, PJ and NAN, how would Krugman’s forecast play out in our local political races? I’m curious about your ideas.

  42. Anonymous
    October 4, 2010 at 4:36 pm

    Greed doesn’t stop all by itself. It must be stopped.

  43. Plain Jane
    October 4, 2010 at 4:50 pm

    None of the above, the relevance is the tactics used are the same on the national and local levels. Big money (for our local area) is buying politicians for personal financial gain and increasing their political power to gain even more, just like the really big money is doing nationally and our media, while not so blatant as Fox, is complicit in their refusal to report stories that upset big local money.

  44. Plain Jane
    October 4, 2010 at 4:55 pm

    “Nope I think he means their four thousand members that cross all party and demographic lines.”

    There is no membership roster, no dues are paid, no meetings are held. How do you know how many members they have or what their politics are?

  45. Not A Native
    October 4, 2010 at 5:03 pm

    noneoftheabove, Krugman is warning voters that the information, facts, and opinions they obtain from multiple independent sources may have been commissioned by a handful of ultrawealthy families for the primary purpose of obtaining business advantages.

    Locally, I’d guess Krugman would say the same thing is happening, but on a much smaller scale.

    “Perhaps the most important thing to realize is that when billionaires put their might behind “grass roots” right-wing action, it’s not just about ideology: it’s also about business. What the Koch brothers have bought with their huge political outlays is, above all, freedom to pollute. What Mr. Murdoch is acquiring with his expanded political role is the kind of influence that lets his media empire make its own rules.”

  46. Anonymous
    October 4, 2010 at 5:32 pm

    Nice try asshole.

  47. none of the above
    October 4, 2010 at 5:33 pm

    Thanks PJ and NAN.

    The 8/20/10 New Yorker article, called Covert Operations, describes the Koch brothers’ crusade to hamper environmental regulations and change public opinion through numerous think tanks and foundation that sponsor bogus science. And we, being a nation of non-critical thinkers, preferring sports to academics, are easily brainwashed. And divided. And so we will fall.

  48. High Finance
    October 4, 2010 at 5:34 pm

    I went to a candidates forum today for the city council races the Rotary put on today. Mike Newman, Marian Brady, Xandra Manns, Ron Kuhnel & Larry Glass were there. (excuse any spelling errors)

    Some reflections. All five are smart, well spoken and care about what is best for Eureka. Kuhnel & Glass didn’t bother to show up until just about to speak. This was rude. The other three showed up before noon & visited with the people at the lunch and were much more friendly.

    Kuhnel, when asked about measure N, fudged & hedged all over the place & gave no answer. All the other four answered. Glass appeared to say that now the cleanup issue is resolved that he was in favor of Measure N!

    Xandra Manns seemed to have no energy or focus. She was definitely overmatched by the other four. I had thought before that she was just a kook & that is not true, she’s no dummy.

    Marian Brady was very impressive, she was comfortable, well spoken & made jokes. Larry Glass seemed very informed & while I disagree with his politics & some of his comments rubbed the audience badly, he came across as very honest & direct.

    Mike Newman came across as a nice guy, honest & running for his beliefs.

    Brady, Newman & Glass all had lots of business experience a big plus in my book.

    I rated them as follows;
    Brady = A
    Newman, Glass = B
    Kuhnel = C
    Manns = D

  49. Voter
    October 4, 2010 at 5:42 pm

    Give me a break…nice red herring but let’s get back to the main point.

    The League has clear rules, although they may only be for people who follow rules. Not only has Ulansey endorsed and heavily donated to Bass and Sundberg, but most of the ads in last week’s CPR piece are from supporters of Bass and Sundberg. If CPR is a 501c3, I doubt their paper follows 501c3 rules, but again, rules may be only for those who are willing to follow them.

  50. McKinleyvillan
    October 4, 2010 at 5:46 pm

    Hi-Fi, you are right, Larry Glass is very honest and direct, and really cares about people, even people who won’t vote for him. He probably didn’t show up early to Rotary because he works his ass off, running from his store to meeting after meeting. He’s a very hardworking individual, and anytime you want to talk to him, go to the Works and if he isn’t there he’ll be back soon.

  51. High Finance
    October 4, 2010 at 5:54 pm

    Perhaps that is why he didn’t show up until the last minute McKinleyvillan, maybe not.

    There were 125 people in the room & I can gaurantee you that every one of them is registered to vote & 3/4 of them are registered in the city limits. They all influence many other voters. I’ll bet half of them contribute to the campaigns of one or more candidates every election cycle.

  52. Curious
    October 4, 2010 at 6:03 pm

    This morning Bonnie Neely said on the KMUD Monday Morning talk that she had “been endorsed by members of the Humboldt Growers Association.” This group has no website, and hasn’t made any public statement of their vision or platform. Does anyone know who they are and what they are about?

  53. High Finance
    October 4, 2010 at 6:04 pm

    Humboldt Growers is the pot clinic located in Arcata.

  54. Plain Jane
    October 4, 2010 at 6:07 pm

    HiFi’s opinion on candidates is so important. It’s just coincidence that the people he has supported all along won, in his humble opinion. LOL!

  55. Anonymous
    October 4, 2010 at 6:13 pm

    Humboldt Growers Association is an organization of food farmers in Humboldt County. They did interviews with candidates during the primary.

  56. Curious
    October 4, 2010 at 6:16 pm

    Hi-Fi, are you certain that’s correct? I know of the Humboldt Cooperative, the Humboldt Patients Resource Center, and the Humboldt Medical Supply, but no Growers Association is listed in the directory of dispensaries.

  57. Plain Jane
    October 4, 2010 at 6:28 pm

    North Coast Growers? http://www.humfarm.org/

  58. Carol Conners
    October 4, 2010 at 6:32 pm

    Heraldo, please remove the slanderous remark made by anon 5:13.

    Humboldt Growers Association is about Farmer’s Markets.

  59. Carol Conners
    October 4, 2010 at 6:33 pm

    Oh thanks, Jane, I hadn’t refreshed the page, so I didn’t see your link.

  60. StraightUp
    October 4, 2010 at 6:44 pm

    Not the first time HiFi has been wrong. Betcha it won’t be the last.

  61. October 4, 2010 at 6:57 pm

    HiFi seems to think that showing up early was good and in time for the event was bad. Purely coincidental that his favored candidates were the early birds. What do you want to bet that if it had been reversed, the just-in-time arrival would have been the good thing because they were all busy doing, you know, Important Stuff?

  62. October 4, 2010 at 7:06 pm

    FYI — The debate is airing live now on Channel 11.

  63. Decline to State
    October 4, 2010 at 7:31 pm

    Wow! Not even sure Bass can pull off “the most cute candidate.” Bonnie’s looking good and again coming off being the most competent and informed.

    “Decline to State” has made his choice for this race.

    Next.

  64. October 4, 2010 at 7:33 pm

    Bass seems to have admitted that her decisions will be swayed by her donors.

  65. Plain Jane
    October 4, 2010 at 7:36 pm

    Next question after the change in parties should be, “Has either of you changed your district recently and why?”

  66. Plain Jane
    October 4, 2010 at 7:42 pm

    Bass doesn’t think the Balloon Track wetlands are worthy of preserving? Those danged heavy equipment tracks spoiled it.

  67. Plain Jane
    October 4, 2010 at 7:45 pm

    WOW! HiFi was finally right about something! Humboldt Growers Assoc is pot growers.

  68. Decline to State
    October 4, 2010 at 7:45 pm

    Oh god! Did Bass just tear up as a response to a critical question? Did she really say wetlands don’t matter? I’m verklempt.

  69. Plain Jane
    October 4, 2010 at 7:46 pm

    Good to see you’re on the job, Heraldo. Just delete my response as well please?

  70. October 4, 2010 at 7:46 pm

    Someone is playing cat and mouse tonight. Thanks for calling bullshit, Jane.

  71. Mr. Nice
    October 4, 2010 at 7:47 pm

    hifi how can I find this humboldt growers?

  72. High Finance
    October 4, 2010 at 7:49 pm

    6.16pm. I think I am mixing up two similiarly named groups. Humboldt Growers Assoc is a group of Humboldt Farmers who put on the Farmer’s markets locally.

    But there is a company called something like Humboldt Growers Inc., who own a pot clinic in Arcata. I could be off slightly on their name.

    FoxStudio, when you are running for office you go out & meet the voters. Here Kuhnel & Glass were invited to the Rotary lunch (lunch was free to them) and a chance for them to meet 125 voters they don’t normally meet & they have something better to do? 30 days before the election, just a couple of days before the absentee ballots comes out? Excuse me?

  73. Mr. Nice
    October 4, 2010 at 7:49 pm

    nvermind I found it. Thanks for that.

  74. High Finance
    October 4, 2010 at 7:54 pm

    Geez, a lot of posts coming quickly here, even while I was writing my last post. Could be Plain Jane cleared up the confusion.

    North Coast Growers are the Farmer’s Market people. Humboldt Growers are the pot club people.

    And Plain Jane, I am right about 95% of the time. Since we never agree, this makes you right about 5% of the time.

  75. October 4, 2010 at 7:55 pm

    HiFi is a legend in his own mind.

  76. Mr. Nice
    October 4, 2010 at 7:57 pm

    I was playing with you dude.

  77. Plain Jane
    October 4, 2010 at 7:58 pm

    In watching the debate, it was obvious that Bonnie Neely was talking about pot growers when she mentioned Humboldt Growers Assoc. There is also North Coast Growers Assoc. which is the farmers market participants.

  78. Plain Jane
    October 4, 2010 at 7:59 pm

    HiFi’s delusion is legendary.

  79. Plain Jane
    October 4, 2010 at 8:03 pm

    One thing I learned from HiFi. Assuming he has something to do with finance (I suspect a payday loan store) he is a good example of how bankers could have been so dumb and greedy that they almost collapsed the world’s economy.

  80. Mr. Nice
    October 4, 2010 at 8:05 pm

    I’m thinking there is only that 707 Delivery, Empire thing in SoHum, the “college” teaching about gratitude but that don’t really count, Cooperative, that PRC one, the Indian food spot, and that one where they make you fill out all kinna shit saying you got migraines and then try and sell you bammer. There used to be that spot by the coffee shop where you had to go through steel doors and shit to get to the weed which was stupid. And the Hummingbird which was alright if you like Warlock and Williams Wonder and hella other strains that begin with W all day. The Laytown spot was tight but now it is a sex toy store. That place Jason whatever his name was had going was cool but he left and went to Red Bluff or some shit.

    Bonnie Neely is gonna lose though even to a Democrat defector probably. 4th District folks ain’t got no better candidates.

  81. Plain Jane
    October 4, 2010 at 8:06 pm

    YAY BONNIE! No big box on the bay.

  82. Mr. Nice
    October 4, 2010 at 8:07 pm

    In watching the debate, it was obvious that Bonnie Neely was talking about pot growers when she mentioned Humboldt Growers Assoc.

    Is she starting it? I’m excited, she has good taste in dank. Allegedly.

  83. October 4, 2010 at 8:08 pm

    Bass says blogs are a pox on society. But she said a great source of news is to walk around and talk to people.

  84. Mr. Nice
    October 4, 2010 at 8:17 pm

    When Humboldt got some twitterers on that #virgbass tip then see a pox on society.

  85. Plain Jane
    October 4, 2010 at 8:23 pm

    And reads the Times-Standard.

  86. Anonynous
    October 4, 2010 at 8:23 pm

    Not perfect for either candidate. Both scored a couple minor hits but thats it. Unfortunately that seems to be the way these things go. The League could improve their format a bit. In the end a small edge and minor victory for Bass.

  87. Decline to State
    October 4, 2010 at 8:34 pm

    Wow! I’m amazed at the obvious differences between these two candidates. Bonnie seems so prepared and informed and Virginia seems so to be so reliant on makeup and blinking.

    My faith in humanity is once again shaken.

  88. October 4, 2010 at 8:38 pm

    Virginia said in her closing statement that voters deserve a supervisor that has good ideas. Yet she consistently fails to offer any. When asked how to protect fish, for example, she says she would ask the fisherman. Bonnie, on the other hand, went down a list of things that are being done and that need to be done.

    Virginia also bad mouthed bureaucratic boards. Maybe no one told her what she is running for.

  89. Plain Jane
    October 4, 2010 at 9:01 pm

    I missed the end and am admittedly biased, but Bonnie was straightforward and informed while Virginia seemed to claim inexperience on many issues. Her dig over Forster-Gill donating to Bonnie was obvious projection of her own subservience to her own developer donors.

  90. Anonynous
    October 4, 2010 at 9:07 pm

    I love where Bonnie says she’s not for developers and not taking developer money…Except $10,000 from the SoCal coastal developer, $5,500 from Foerster Gill, and $10,000 Shedwick Properties. Iguess that means she won’t take any more from them now that she’s so totally far behind and they won’t pay her off anymore.

  91. Goldie
    October 4, 2010 at 9:17 pm

    Virgina said twice that she does not see the Supervisors position as one that creates jobs but rather one that ‘creates a culture where the private sector wants to come.’ There is no lending in the private sector, ask the pulp mill. Banks are not lending.
    And she looks down upon federal and state funding and grants, again looking to the private sector to step in.
    Good bye state construction jobs.

  92. Plain Jane
    October 4, 2010 at 9:18 pm

    I must have missed that 9:07. When did she say that?

  93. October 4, 2010 at 9:22 pm

    I love where Bonnie says she’s not for developers and not taking developer money

    That’s not what she said. What she did say is that she is not the developers’ candidate in the race and that developers don’t get to own the Supervisor’s chambers.

    Bass said repeatedly that Bonnie’s positions are bought by her donors. Obviously the same would hold true for Bass who repeats her donor’s talking points while admitting she hasn’t thought much about the issues.

  94. Reality Check
    October 4, 2010 at 9:23 pm

    I love that Virginia keeps making it an issue, when she has accepted donations from over 20 local developers! Keep saying it Virginia-keep the issue alive so that everyone knows that Virginia Bass-Palin has been bought by developers-not by one, but by 20! Cheers Virginia, your glassy eyes told the tale and I raise my glass to your ignorance!

  95. Larry Glass
    October 4, 2010 at 9:31 pm

    High Finance
    Just for the record. The League of Women Voters invited me to the forum and told me to be there at 12:30 I got there at 12:20 they stopped me in the foyer and wanted a explanation of Eurekas bizarre ward system which I gave them. No disrespect intended.
    Thanks for your compliments and the B.

  96. Reality Check
    October 4, 2010 at 9:37 pm

    Since you are on Larry-please tell us that you are not supporting N and that was a mistake.

  97. Goldie
    October 4, 2010 at 9:45 pm

    I was at the debate tonight and I came away with such clarity that Virginia wants nothing more than to bankrupt the people of this community. We can not afford to lose more jobs to the learning curve of someone who gets their information by ‘walking around and talking to people.’
    Virginia Bass has said time and again that she looks down on federal and state funding, ignoring the jobs and improvement they bring to the community. She says she wants to create not jobs but a ‘culture in which the private sector wants to come.’ Opportunities for investment does not always mean jobs or a healthy community.
    She stated that as a mayor she found that creating jobs was more complex than she had imagined. Wait until she is County Supervisor.. we are going to see complexity for sure.
    Her vision of keeping this county healthy in upcoming difficult times by only catering to the private sector is going to fail in a way that is most painful to its hard working citizens.
    Bonnie with her know how and her ability to bring money into the community is needed now more than ever.

  98. October 4, 2010 at 9:49 pm

    Virginia also said she was a Reagan Republican back in the day. Sounds like she believes catering exclusively to the private sector will bring us that tried and failed trickle down effect.

  99. Anonynous
    October 4, 2010 at 9:50 pm

    Is the assertion here that 50 or more individual, different donors spanning dozens of types of local business contributing $500 or $1,000 to Bass have the same meaning as the $10,000 payoffs that Neely received from a very few and from out of the area to boot. Can anyone possibly believe that voters are so stupid as to not see the difference? Stick to that absurd argument will ya, it’ll make the whole process easier.

  100. October 4, 2010 at 9:52 pm

    Virginia’s arguments were indeed absurd, and she’s sticking to them.

  101. Goldie
    October 4, 2010 at 9:53 pm

    The difference is Bonnie goes by the laws and Virgina waves them aside with her hand.

  102. Plain Jane
    October 4, 2010 at 9:56 pm

    What do the out of the area developers expect to get for their money, 9:50? Are you judging them based on what local developers expect to get for their money? Wouldn’t it be great if donors didn’t get anything for their contributions but good government? But that’s the LAST thing they want.

  103. tenth street dreamer
    October 4, 2010 at 10:17 pm

    HiFI, there is something wrong with your rating system. It smells of the blind rating the blind.
    Kuhnel B+ -clear answers with good understanding of issues.
    Newman C -no meat to his answers.
    Brady D -a one horse candidate, Let get that Marina Center built now, never mind the legal process.
    Glass A -understanding in depth what the issues are, strong supporter of neighborhoods, knows how the budget works and that Redevelopment will only buy Jefferson school not fund its operation.
    Mann C+ -came across with more understanding of issues than either Newman or Brady.

  104. Reality Check
    October 4, 2010 at 10:36 pm

    Anonymous is starting to recognize that he is supporting the bought off candidate!
    And my favorite response of the night-
    Where do you stand on Prop 23?
    Virginia-I have to admit (for at least the second time in the evening) that I’m not familiar with prop 23. I get confused like most voters-I just got my sample ballot and I was like, what like P,what like N, like 42, omg I was so lost! I’m gonna call my bffs, Ron, Cher-Cher,Mars, the developer football team that elected me Homecoming Queen, and when I talk to all these people, I will try to remember what 23 means. MJ, right? Michael Jordan?

  105. Truth in information
    October 4, 2010 at 10:51 pm

    I was at the Rotary council debate and saw a number of people nodding in agreement with Kuhnel and Glass. It really wasn’t their crowd and I was a bit surprised. They presented some pretty solid arguments. Thanks to Rotary for hosting the debate. It gave me direction.

  106. Voter
    October 4, 2010 at 11:48 pm

    Virginia is a card-carrying member of “Humboldters Against State Law”–a futile cause if there ever was one. Eurekans can’t fight the Coastal Commission any more thatn billionaires in Orange County.

    Also would like to point out that there is no such thing as “industrial wetland.” You cna jump up and down and say “tire ruts” til the cows come home, and wetlands are are still wetlands to a biologist.

  107. Neal Latt
    October 5, 2010 at 12:33 am

    Yep, Balloon Track wetlands = tire ruts, according to Randy Gans. Who had Schmidbauer put their log deck over the top of them, a self-fulfilling prophecy if I ever heard one!

    Too bad Hank Sims is running away on his formerly excellent long-form coverage of what’s really going on at the Balloon Track. That place is begging for a cover story like only he used to write.

  108. wazthere
    October 5, 2010 at 7:57 am

    Bonnie was using all the “code words”, like bay front, marine dependent, etc. I found it very troubling that she feels that private investment is not the way to go but to rely on government spending. God is she out of touch!

  109. High Finance
    October 5, 2010 at 9:14 am

    Tenth Street Dreamer, you weren’t there. You have nothing except your prejudices to grade their performances at the forum yesterday.

    Larry, explanation accepted. The League runs the forum but it is the Rotary’s luncheon. Somebody should have told you it starts at Noon & your lunch was free. Did I understand your answer on Measure N, that you no longer have a problem with it?

  110. Reality Check
    October 5, 2010 at 10:33 am

    Where is private investment happening? Is this really the answer to all of our economic woes?

  111. Goldie
    October 5, 2010 at 11:02 am

    We have woes but we also have treasure. Our forests, our bay, our creative and hard working population.
    Private sector, like Palco, like Walmart, like Skilled Healthcare work for their own gain not the health of the community.

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