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Marks out of Democratic Central Committee

Local politico Richard Marks made good on a threat to quit the Humboldt County Democratic Central Committee when he resigned — again — before leaving Wednesday’s meeting. The committee then voted overwhelmingly to accept his resignation.

The resignation followed an hour of contentious debate surrounding Richard’s appearance on a series of election mailers for candidates in the City of Eureka. The mailers claim the candidates are supported by Democrats, despite the Central Committee’s endorsement of opposing candidates.

City Councilwoman Linda Atkins was nominated to replace Marks, and the Committee will be vote on the nomination at its November meeting.

Supervisor candidate Virginia Bass pulled a similar stunt last spring, blanketing Eureka with propaganda stating she had Democratic support. In reality incumbent Bonnie Neely beat Bass for most votes to win the Democratic endorsement.

Bass and Neely participated in a forum on KEET Wednesday night and when asked about political role models, Bass named her dad (a Republican) and GOP icon Ronald Reagan.

  1. Pitchfork
    October 13, 2010 at 10:32 pm | #1

    Now Robin needs to resign!

  2. 69er
    October 13, 2010 at 10:33 pm | #2

    Looks like the start of another Bass bash to me. Not being able to vote for her I have not entered in any of these bash’s before. I honestly think that both candidates are an asset to the area and would have a hard time deciding which to vote for without some real soul searching. I also have great respect for Ronald Reagan and voted for him each time he ran for office. We need another like him at this time to take care of the terrible state this country is in at this time.

  3. OffTheRez
    October 13, 2010 at 10:34 pm | #3

    The Brady Bunch got to be to much for the Dems!

  4. Osprey
    October 13, 2010 at 10:39 pm | #4

    Man, is Bass a dumb ass or what? Her responses were as shallow as she is. Bonnie stuck to the issues and was right on. Virginia saying Ronald Reagan as her political hero? yikes…funny stuff….deer in the headlights.

    Interesting how her lack of knowledge about the incredible Eureka City budget deficit is so sophomoric…..oh Matthew, wouldn’t it be better if she just stuck with waitressing? Be man enough and run yourself if you want to push your….I mean Rob’s…agenda.

    Oh and the ‘welcome mat’ for big box retail was good too……

  5. Plain Jane
    October 13, 2010 at 10:40 pm | #5

    What was it you liked best about Reagan, 69er? His ability to memorize lines but forget his executive orders or his treason?

  6. Eric Kirk
    October 13, 2010 at 10:41 pm | #6

    The mailers claim the candidates are supported by Democrats, despite the Central Committee’s endorsement of opposing candidates.

    Supported by Democrats, or the Democratic Party? I think the distinction has to be made.

  7. anon
    October 13, 2010 at 10:42 pm | #7

    See ‘ya Richard! Continue to lick Matthew Owens boots and maybe you can get a gig at SN….especially since your ‘union cred’, and the pulp mill, is toast.

  8. Anonymous
    October 13, 2010 at 10:48 pm | #8

    Marks having two elected positions seemed weird anyway.

  9. Plain Jane
    October 13, 2010 at 11:02 pm | #9

    Republicans have a hard time getting elected on the California coast so that’s probably why people with Republican views like Bass switch parties. Bonnie has demonstrated a change of view to go along with the party switch, Bass not so much that you’d notice.

  10. High Finance
    October 13, 2010 at 11:04 pm | #10

    “In reality incumbent Bonnie Neeley beat Bass for most votes to win the nomination”

    Huh ?

    Heraldo, have you been smoking some of that dope? Can you explain that sentence?

  11. Duplicitous Richard
    October 13, 2010 at 11:05 pm | #11

    Yes, it finally got to the point where Richard Marks’ pimping of the Democratic label got to be too much. All part of Matthew Owen’s, Virginia Bass’ and the rest of the “Democratic Infiltration Squad’s” plan to bamboozle as many people, as much of the time as they could. What more can you say about a so-called “Democrat” whose political hero/role model is Ronald Reagan?

    My question is, why did it take Milt Boyd so damn long? Why didn’t he accept Richard’s resignation the first time, before Richard and Matthew Owen had the chance to work up that poisonous and misleading mailer?

    How lame. Richard’s true colors finally got the better of him. Don’t let the door hit ya on the ass on yer way out!

  12. Andrew Bird
    October 13, 2010 at 11:06 pm | #12

    I don’t like Ronald Reagan anymore than most liberals do, but I believe in today’s GOP Reagan would be a moderate to left-leaning Republican.

    Eric, Mike Newman is a lifelong Republican who changed to “decline to state” when he decided to run for City Council. Now he is sending out mailers that say “Democrats are voting for me,” featuring the Dem’s donkey logo. He obviously covets the Democratic vote. But he had an opportunity to register as a Democrat and didn’t.

  13. Plain Jane
    October 13, 2010 at 11:10 pm | #13

    Today Reagan would be reciting the tea party lines.

  14. Not A Native
    October 13, 2010 at 11:11 pm | #14

    With the mill now shuttered for good(we hope), Marks no longer can benefit from keeping up the charade of being a Democrat. So he’s “all in” with the only remaining entity might give him money, the Republican Arkley octopus. When the Marina Center is looking for construction helpers and a maintenance crew, Marks desperately wants to be first in line.

  15. mresquan
    October 13, 2010 at 11:13 pm | #15

    “Bonnie has demonstrated a change of view to go along with the party switch, Bass not so much that you’d notice.”

    During the discussion of the affiliation switch,Virginia stated that she supported same sex marriages.Bonnie should have taken the opportunity to point out that Virginia voted against the same sex marriage resolution that Peter brought to the city council,while Bonnie introduced one to the Board of Supes.

  16. mresquan
    October 13, 2010 at 11:14 pm | #16

    Reagan was slowly turning into an independent and intelligent president until George Bush tried to have him killed.

  17. Andrew Bird
    October 13, 2010 at 11:15 pm | #17

    Jane,

    If you evaluate Reagan by his record as governor and president, I think he would not be far right enough to suit the Glenn Becks and Rush Limbaughs. That’s all I have to say.

  18. Plain Jane
    October 13, 2010 at 11:22 pm | #18

    Opinions differ, I just think he would say and do whatever he was told by his handlers to advance their agenda of tax cuts, cuts in social programs and deregulation, especially of finance and media. Without the Reagan policies, Rush would be a derelict drug addict and Beck in a mental hospital.

  19. mresquan
    October 13, 2010 at 11:24 pm | #19

    Jane,Rush is indeed a derelict drug addict.

  20. Plain Jane
    October 13, 2010 at 11:26 pm | #20

    Half right, Mresquan. He’s a millionaire drug addict.

  21. 69er
    October 13, 2010 at 11:41 pm | #21

    Jane I suppose you think BO is the all mighty. He and his are going down to defeat in November.

  22. Anon
    October 13, 2010 at 11:55 pm | #22

    When Mike Wilson was running I recieved a mailer that said “Democrats are voting for mike Wilson”, my neighbor received one that said “Republicans are voting for Mike Wilson”. How is this any different than the Wilson campaign when, in fact it was true Republicans and Democrats supported Wilson just as they support Brady and the others? Seems like voters should be allowed a little independant thought irrespective of what silly party they signed up for.

  23. Anonymous
    October 14, 2010 at 12:07 am | #23

    The Democratic Central Committee did endorse Wilson. The Republican Central Committee did not endorse anyone, leaving that quite open.

    Do the Humboldt County Republicans endorse anyone? Is there a candidate that wants their endorsement?

  24. Plain Jane
    October 14, 2010 at 12:08 am | #24

    Are you looking forward to total gridlock in such critical times, 69er?

  25. Old WarHorse
    October 14, 2010 at 12:17 am | #25

    “Ronald Reagan’s Reign of Error” by Mark Green and Gail MacColl, published by Pantheon Books copyright 1983 is 125 pages of densely-packed misinformation, all of which was uttered by Ronald Reagan, the Conservatives’ great friend in modern times.

    O.H. Bass got his start as a union meat-cutter, but at some point, he took a turn in a different direction. O.H.’s TownHouse was definitely a non-union establishment. When O.H. was on the Board of Supervisors, his attitude toward County workers was, how do you say it, hostile.

    However, I don’t know Virginia well enough to say if her attitudes mirror her father’s. I know many cases where grown children actually do fall pretty far from the tree. But in Virginia’s case, somebody else will have to enlighten me.

  26. 69er
    October 14, 2010 at 12:23 am | #26

    Not looking forward to it but it is coming.

  27. 06em
    October 14, 2010 at 6:39 am | #27

    I loved how Virginia said her local political hero was her pop who “held office for four years but then realized it wasn’t for him” or words to that effect. So last night was she telegraphing that her plan is to try to beat Bonnie and then quit after a couple years? With her track record of quitting her council member post after two years, maybe that’s the plan. Too bad there’s not a “Mayor of Humboldt County” position she can run for in 2012.

  28. Anonymous
    October 14, 2010 at 6:55 am | #28

    Not their public endorsement, just the money and votes. Oh, and more money. And a plan. And then even more money.

  29. “HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE”
    October 14, 2010 at 7:42 am | #29

    Bass disappoints me when she inks Ronald “a puppet master’s wet dream” Reagan as a socio-political “role model”. Please, say it is a misprint????

    Jeffrey Lytle
    McKinleyville – 5th District

  30. humboldturtle
    October 14, 2010 at 7:43 am | #30

    Special thanks to Linda Atkins!

    Good Luck to Richard, and GO BONNIE!!

    So, Eric, you like Virginia??

  31. humboldturtle
    October 14, 2010 at 7:44 am | #31

    Degrees of separation:

    Richard Marks/Virginia Bass/Eric Kirk

    ??

  32. “HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE”
    October 14, 2010 at 7:48 am | #32

    69er, PJ and others,

    still stuck in political dualopoly. You folks that continue to vote for dems and repubs deserve the b-s your decisions render!

    JL

  33. Plain Jane
    October 14, 2010 at 7:57 am | #33

    On the contrary, Jeff, I would work for and support third party candidates (or independents) if we had instant runoff voting. Until then it’s the lesser of 2 evils and in virtually every case, that’s the Democrats. If you want to be Don Quixote tilting at windmills and losing every time, be my guest.

  34. Carol Conners
    October 14, 2010 at 8:03 am | #34

    Clarification to 12:07 AM: The HCDCC endorsed Jon Brooks during the primary for Assesor and not Wilson.

    It was interesting attending this year’s DOTY. Great place to watch people.

  35. “HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE”
    October 14, 2010 at 8:06 am | #35

    PJ,

    “IF”, you say????

    Typical, no ethics.
    There is no two ways regarding EVILS!
    Face it, you think you gain something, right?
    As I implied, you deserve what you get for your voting record, period. Too bad others are taken down by your inhumane socio-political conducts.

    At least Don Quixote is time dated and stamped in history as acyually meaning something significant – but dumbed down folks could never relate anyhow, so your retort is met with sorrow.

    JL

  36. OffTheRez
    October 14, 2010 at 8:08 am | #36

    At the Republican women club, Vice chair of the local Republican party, Peter Hannaford, announced Newman and Brady as…… “our candidates”.
    Newman’s a religious conservative and Brady is a Teabagger.

  37. High Finance
    October 14, 2010 at 8:19 am | #37

    And you are indeed “off the reservation”.

    Hannaford put it that way because Kuhnel & Glass are far left wing. None of the four candidates are
    Republicans so Hannaford just wants the most moderate people to win.

  38. Plain Jane
    October 14, 2010 at 8:25 am | #38

    Republicans only look moderate when you are peeking up at them from the far right edge like HiFi does.

  39. High Finance
    October 14, 2010 at 8:29 am | #39

    No response to my question at 11.04pm yesterday Heraldo?

    Republicans look moderate when people compare them to most of the posters on Heraldo, Plain Jane.

  40. October 14, 2010 at 8:34 am | #40

    The committee aired their grievances with me and I resigned. In most circles I would be considered a left wing socialist liberal. With this group I am considered conservative. I could say much more, but why fuel the fire? I have softball and basketball to take care of.

  41. Anonymous
    October 14, 2010 at 8:52 am | #41

    you are a left wing socialist liberal Richard. it is puzzling.

  42. something is rotten
    October 14, 2010 at 8:55 am | #42

    somebody upstream asked: “My question is, why did it take Milt Boyd so damn long?”

    Because Milt Boyd is a good old boy with brain rot.

  43. Andrew Bird
    October 14, 2010 at 8:56 am | #43

    Please stop, Richard. Your “I’m the victim” act is getting old. You had put the Central Committee in an intolerable position by publicly endorsing the opponent of every candidate the Committee had endorsed. The Committee had enough and voted to accept your resignation.

  44. Anonymous
    October 14, 2010 at 8:58 am | #44

    Softball and basketball, yes. Oh, a team player…

  45. Ed
    October 14, 2010 at 9:04 am | #45

    Remember when Reagan gave arms to Iran Virginia?

  46. steve
    October 14, 2010 at 9:05 am | #46

    I keep my voting preferences private as Pops advised me.

    That said, Virgina Bass is a very nice and considerate person; I’m not too sure how bright she is nor how thoroughly she plans or thinks complex issues out.

    Say what you like about Bonnie, but I’ve observed she is a critical thinker and power-broker with the greater experience under her belt. From my decades of work within the County very, very few folks actually understand how the County and its given complexities work on any given day. Bonnie is one of those very rare few with a full understanding of County government, procedures, policy, and operations.

  47. Anon
    October 14, 2010 at 9:08 am | #47

    it’s so confusing…the “far left” city council champions the police and fire departments, the Republican neighbors and HumCPR oppose Forster-Gill but support Marina Center…I guess you just have to know the ins and outs of Eureka political alliances to understand WTF is going on here.

    OR you can get the facts and make your own decisions. A good place to start is John Osborn’s piece in the Journal this week on the Eureka power brokers and their campaign contributions to Bass, Sundberg, and the 3 pro-Marina Center Eureka City Council candidates:

    http://www.northcoastjournal.com/news/2010/10/14/interested-parties/

  48. Anonymous
    October 14, 2010 at 9:14 am | #48

    Since when does a “left wing socialist liberal” stump for candidates that are pawns for a rich right wing capitalist developer?

  49. Anonymous
    October 14, 2010 at 9:18 am | #49

    One thing the article missed is that Arkley’s SN spent over $30,000 in TV ads last year alone bashing Bonnie. This did not include radio or 2010.

    Although not technically a contribution to Bass, effectivilly and likely intentionally, it is.

  50. Plain Jane
    October 14, 2010 at 9:23 am | #50

    Remember when Reagan gave arms to Iran Virginia?

    In an arms for hostages deal negotiated before he was elected, Ed. Treason by any definition.

  51. The Monitor
    October 14, 2010 at 9:52 am | #51

    Richard, you are not considered a conservative by the DCC. You flaunted their endorsements and put your name behind those they had rejected. What did you think they were going to do, hug and kiss you? You threw your support in their face, and the mailers were made to look like DCC endorsements. That is a Benedict Arnold move in my book. Did you really think they were going to ignore what you did? Go let Marian, Mike, and Virginia kiss your boo boos.

  52. The Monitor
    October 14, 2010 at 10:01 am | #52

    HiFi, your comments here are far to the right of conservative. You are dragging your party farther into the ditch. Most of the people that post here are proud Democrats and and relish a verbal go around with someone like you. keep posting. We know where we stand on issues and will support that agenda, no matter what names you wish to call us. It is hard for you still living in the Hoover era when the world has changed around you.

  53. Angel
    October 14, 2010 at 10:27 am | #53

    So let me get this straight: if one has a temper tantrum and throws out “I quit” then the person can actually be sent packing? Oh, my.

  54. Reinventing The Wheel
    October 14, 2010 at 11:10 am | #54

    Reagan’s policies killed tens of thousands in Central America; Our “vital interests” precluded the popular land reform movements in El Salvador and Nicaragua where the average age is 15.

    What a terrible paradox.

    In order to exist economically, we must try by might and main to remain stupid.

    Today’s republicans and corporate democrats are doing their best.

  55. High Finance
    October 14, 2010 at 12:46 pm | #55

    Actually Monitor, some Republicans consider me a traitor because I am actually moderate on some non financial issues.

    Perhaps it is your own biases that make you call me “far to the right of conservative”?

    But yes, I am pro business because I am pro jobs.

  56. Plain Jane
    October 14, 2010 at 1:13 pm | #56

    If you were really pro business you would spend some time educating yourself about what really creates jobs and business profit. The “me first and only” attitudes of far too many business owners over the last few decades is what caused this financial crisis and doing more of the same (tax cuts) won’t reverse it. Sure they stockpiled all those tax cuts while off shoring jobs, not giving raises and cutting benefits, but their greed damaged the whole economy because the majority of people who actually provide jobs, consumers, have less money to spend. That negatively affects everyone – working class first, but eventually business owners and investors. As Robert Reich said, they would rather have a larger share of a lousy economy than a smaller share of a robust one. Why would anyone believe that tax cuts will do anything to improve the job situation when they made it worse in the past?

  57. Both Sides of His Mouth
    October 14, 2010 at 2:06 pm | #57

    So where does Richard stand? So, on one hand, he supports the pulp mill when there is a possible job for him. Then, on the other hand, he sides with the opposition to start up of the pulp mill when there is no job for him with the pulp mill announcing its permanent closure. Why do we need harbor commissioners now with no shipping out of Humboldt Bay? Sounds like double talk to me. Here is the quote from the HSU paper the Lumber Jack.

    Richard Marks, the 4th District Harbor Commissioner, worked at the pulp mill since 1980. Marks understands Binder’s point of view. As an employee, Evergreen’s environmental stewardship disappointed him. “Our community was basically environmentally raped by Evergreen pulp.”

  58. October 14, 2010 at 2:19 pm | #58

    HiFinance, check this out.
    From Thom Hartmann’s blog today:

    Alternet has an article today up “Why Germany Has It So Good — and Why America Is Going Down the Drain” by Terrence McNally. While the headlines about strikes, terrorism, and Islamophobia in Europe are making the the news in the US, we hearing nada about how the European Union – 27 member nations with around half a billion people, a third larger than the US – has become the biggest, wealthiest trading bloc in the world, producing nearly a third of the world’s economy — outdoing the US and China combined. Europe is now home to more Fortune 500 companies than either the US, China or Japan. The European Union spend much less than America for universal healthcare rated by the World Health Organization as the best in the world, while the U.S. health care system is ranked at a measly 37th and 40 million Americans have no access to health care other than the ER. Europe leads in tackling global climate change and is twice as energy efficient as the US, creating hundreds of thousands of new jobs in the process. Their ecological “footprint” (the amount of the earth’s capacity that a population consumes) is around half that of the United States for a similar standard of living. Americans work much longer hours than Europeans – “on average we work the equivalent of nine extra 40-hour weeks per year.” According to Thomas Geoghegan who wrote the book, “Were You Born on the Wrong Continent?,” “Germany has created a high-wage, unionized economy without shipping all its jobs abroad or creating a massive trade deficit, or any trade deficit at all. And even as the Germans outsell the United States, they manage to take six weeks of vacation every year. They’re beating us with one hand tied behind their back.” He added, “Since 2003, it’s not China but Germany, that colossus of European socialism, that has either led the world in export sales or at least been tied for first.”

  59. Plain Jane
    October 14, 2010 at 2:52 pm | #59

    Great post, Tom. It seems so simple looking at it from the left but apparently the view is blocked for some reason from the right. Germans have a smaller share of a robust economy while a small percentage of Americans have a larger share of a collapsing one, but delude themselves into believing their way is best against all evidence.

  60. The Monitor
    October 14, 2010 at 3:24 pm | #60

    A high wage, unionized economy, does that sound like home depot or walmart to anyone but HIFI? He wants people here to remain the working poor. Backward thinking is Hooverism. HE will never get it folks. He belongs in the dust bin of times gone by. Even my old dog can learn new tricks.

  61. Plain Jane
    October 14, 2010 at 3:30 pm | #61

    And they can’t understand why our economy collapses when the wealth is concentrated at the top, no matter how many times it happens.

  62. Not A Native
    October 14, 2010 at 3:46 pm | #62

    HiFi firmly believes that the solution to high unemployment is high numbers of low paying jobs. Like “the richest man in Bedford Falls”, HiFi believes that if people receive an equal share of the wealth they produce “What does that get us? A discontented, lazy rabble instead of a thrifty working class.”

    In HiFi’s world, people should be grateful to anyone who tells them to dedicate their labor, loyalty, and obedience in exchange for a mean, subsistence life that gives no chance of achieving financial or material security. Defacto slavery.

  63. Plain Jane
    October 14, 2010 at 4:07 pm | #63

    Slavery subsidized by the taxpayers via social programs.

  64. Mr. Nice
    October 14, 2010 at 4:32 pm | #64

    Minimum/living wage rhetoric don’t put the 20% of people who don’t have enough work into full-time work.

    Living wage is a nice thought but in a real world economy the only time the minimum wage looks right is when there is a minimal surplus of labor. This happens like 2000 and 2005 it did… but it sure ain’t happening now.

    If minimum wage was $15, people would lose jobs. The monopolistic giants would still be able to afford this as a business can operate on slim margins if a 2% margin means $200 million profit. Small business cannot do this especially with the deteriorating margins over the last 3 years.

    Skilled folks can sell their labor for more money, unskilled for less. No reason to have a bidding floor.

    The average wage in Humboldt County averages out to about $14.50/hr. (Based on the average yearly earnings being about $29000 with the average number of work hours/year being 2000). In my not so humble opinion, an injection of lower than average paying jobs would do little to the average pay but would have a tremendous effect on unemployment rate. More laborers who can sell their work = more consumers = faster the economic growth. In theory.

    Maybe I drank the economic kool aid long ago but I don’t see any problem with low paying jobs if cost of living adjusts accordingly which is normally does.

  65. The Monitor
    October 14, 2010 at 4:57 pm | #65

    If you had the low paying job, Mr. Nice, you would have no problem seeing the problem. My guess is you would be running for the exit and picking up the want ads ASAP.

  66. Not A Native
    October 14, 2010 at 5:21 pm | #66

    Look Mr. Nice, your assumptions about who can sell what for how much, and that cost of living reflects wages paid totally ignores the reality that the US is economically becoming comprised of the very wealthy and the very poor.

    Thats a real change from the recent past, and its caused by wealthier people having gotten new freedoms to use their wealth to obtain political power in ways that gets them additional wealth. One of those new freedoms is freedom from taxation. The process has spiraled and become more rapid and a new group of downwardly mobile people has been created as a result.

    All those skills matter very little when the going rate for workers is slave wages. Skills are no sure protection from predation by the economically powerful. Highly skilled working people in India and China receive low wages and have little security compared to what the last generation of skilled US workers experienced. And US workers are being told their pay can’t be larger than what those foreign skilled workers are paid. And its not about sovereign totalitarian foreign governments repressing their citizens. In the US, skilled undocumented workers receive low wages which documented workers are told they must also accept.

  67. Toohey
    October 14, 2010 at 5:27 pm | #67

    It is a good thing you don’t work otherwise with ideas like yours our economy would be in more trouble than it is.

  68. High Finance
    October 14, 2010 at 5:33 pm | #68

    Tom, look at the standard of living in Europe & compare that to ours before you hold Europe as same kind of nirvana. Look at the square footage of the average houses, how many color tv’s, how many cars & what kinds. Compare unemployment percentages. France had a heat wave of 100%, a couple of years ago, and hundreds of old folks died because they couldn’t afford air conditioners.

    But regardless, their so called “tackling global climate change” has nothing to do with any economic success they might have.

    Health care? Compare the quality of healthcare the 86% of our people have to theirs. And the “40 million people without health care here” has been debunked often. First of all, the 40 million don’t have health INSURANCE, but they do have health CARE available. Something like 12 million of those 40 million are illegals, millions more are 20 somethings that choose not to pay for it, millions more are only without health insurance temporarily and millions more were seniors that are eligible for medicare but for some reason don’t have it.

    Anybody who has traveled in the cities of Europe would know how well we have it here in comparison.

  69. High Finance
    October 14, 2010 at 5:37 pm | #69

    Not a Native. I have challenged you & Plain Jane often with a simple question all of you are afraid to answer.

    What would you rather have, no job or a minimum wage or low wage job. Because that is the real choice. Minimum wage jobs are now what a healthy economy depends on, but it is a hell of a lot better than no job.

  70. Mr. Nice
    October 14, 2010 at 5:46 pm | #70

    Doug Elmendorf recently testified that the Bush Tax cuts would cost the economy money in the long run. The CBO has long since crunched the data to show that the top 50% of wage earners pay 95% of taxes. I’m not saying that we should keep playing the same 0 interest, rich-only tax cut, high spending game.

    Earlier this year he testified that our current public debt will increase to $20 trillion by 2020 if government budgets are not scaled back.

    I don’t have a moral argument about this. I would like to see everyone have a nice life.

    NAN, If you mean rich/poor as in the Gini coefficient, then yes the United States has been going down in this for the last 42 years.

    The last generation is over, time moves on. I have no moral basis for opposing wage floors, I would like for everyone to live a good life. My point is that there is nothing inherently wrong with low wage jobs in light of 10% unemployment. I’m not supporting the Marina Center exactly… but folks need something. Anything may just be better than nothing.

  71. Mr. Nice
    October 14, 2010 at 5:48 pm | #71

    What would you rather have, no job or a minimum wage or low wage job. Because that is the real choice. Minimum wage jobs are now what a healthy economy depends on, but it is a hell of a lot better than no job.

    I agree but would add we need less of these public sector jobs everybody seems to have in California as that has been nothing but a money pit. So in some cases no job is better.

  72. Plain Jane
    October 14, 2010 at 5:48 pm | #72

    I wouldn’t take a minimum wage job, HiFi. I’d either retire early or relocate.

    There was a big controversy a number of years ago when Washington State was considering raising their minimum wage. All the small businesses cried that they would have to lay off workers. What happened was just the opposite. All those minimum wage workers had disposable income with the raise and they spent it. Business owners saw their profits increase by 11%. Here’s the link:

    <a href=”link

  73. Plain Jane
    October 14, 2010 at 5:50 pm | #73

    Darn, I did something wrong, trying again

    link

  74. Plain Jane
    October 14, 2010 at 5:53 pm | #74

    Third times the charm, the old fashioned way.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/11/us/11minimum.html

  75. humboldturtle
    October 14, 2010 at 5:57 pm | #75

    The only way anyone survives on minimum wage is with government help of some kind, Medi-Cal and cost-shifting uninsured people included.

  76. Watch at 7:00
    October 14, 2010 at 6:05 pm | #76

    October 14 – 7:00 p.m. – Eureka City Council with Ward 1 – Larry Glass (incumbent) and Marian Brady. Ward 3 – Xandra Manns, Ron Kuhnel and Mike L. Newman. This is a different time. The others are at 7:30 but this one is at 7:00.

  77. Watch at 7:00
    October 14, 2010 at 6:07 pm | #77

    That’s on KEET TV13 or you can listen at KHSU 90.5 FM.

  78. Plain Jane
    October 14, 2010 at 6:08 pm | #78

    HiFi, those big houses, TV’s and cars were bought on credit that people really couldn’t afford, guess you haven’t noticed and we mortgaged our future to China to get them. The US has inferior health care to Europe by every measure, even for those with insurance.

    As to your claim about why so many French died from the heat wave, it had nothing to do with inability to afford air conditioners but that people didn’t have them because, like here, they aren’t usually needed. It was a “perfect storm” of events that was to blame, none of it related to inadequate health care or poverty.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_European_heat_wave

  79. The Monitor
    October 14, 2010 at 6:12 pm | #79

    The economy will never be healthy with minimum wage earners as the key ingredient. That would be an economy similar to the middle ages. It would be the very rich, very few in the merchant class and the bulk at the bottom. It only took about 500 years to work out of that one.

  80. Mr. Nice
    October 14, 2010 at 6:13 pm | #80

    Switzerland, Denmark, and Norway have no statutory minimum wage laws. Their people must be living terribly compared California, yes?

  81. Mr. Nice
    October 14, 2010 at 6:18 pm | #81

    HiFi, those big houses, TV’s and cars were bought on credit that people really couldn’t afford, guess you haven’t noticed and we mortgaged our future to China to get them.

    This is what happens when the Federal funds rate is near 0%. We will never make that mistake again. At least not after this country does that for a few more years and crashes again. After that we’ll have learned our lesson.

  82. Plain Jane
    October 14, 2010 at 6:20 pm | #82

    Denmark
    Collective agreements determine most of the terms and conditions enjoyed by Danish workers. Employment laws have traditionally existed to provide a framework for collective bargaining and to reinforce the application of resulting agreements. There has, however, been a marked swing away from dependence upon social partner arrangements and towards the direct application of statutory requirements in the employment field.

    Finland
    In this highly unionised country, terms and conditions are laid down within both a framework of progressive employment laws and a rolling two-yearly incomes policy agreement. All new laws are subject to extensive consultations with the social partners and collective agreements become generally effective in their sectors if deemed appropriate by a tripartite committee.

    Switzerland
    The Swiss Federation consists of 23 cantons. Switzerland has achieved one of the highest standards of living in the world and the population is generally hard-working and staunchly law-abiding. Employment contracts are subject to the Swiss law of obligation. About half the working population are subject to standard contracts drawn up by either the canton governments or a professional body.

    http://www.fedee.com/natlaw.html

  83. Mitch
    October 14, 2010 at 6:28 pm | #83

    Mr. Nice,

    I’m just speculating, but don’t Switzerland, Denmark, and Norway all have very high welfare state protections for those without current employment? Don’t those protections exceed US minimum wage, when you add in the cash benefits, the housing benefits, and the health care benefits?

  84. Not A Native
    October 14, 2010 at 6:37 pm | #84

    HiFi, Your question is unfairly between only two choices when more are possible. How about taking on the mission of Robin Hood?

    If I ask, would you choose to be unfairly convicted or else give false testimony, what is your answer? If I ask, would you join the vigalanties or be beaten, which is your choice?

    Or to really get to the point. Would your rather endure deprivation while fighting for your freedom or live more comfortably under the rules of a tyrant?

    HiFi, I know you’re no patriot, you’ve already shown that. I’m certain that if offered the choice of a position of privledge under a dictator or incarceration, you’d be right on the job working for that minimum wage.

    My answer to your question: I’d choose to be ‘somebody’ and oppose corruption rather than take the short end quick money and be a bum (credit: “On The Waterfront”).

  85. Mitch
    October 14, 2010 at 6:41 pm | #85

    HiFi’s 5:33 needs a response.

    First, he confuses housing square footage with happiness. See, for example, http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/09/business/09view.html

    Then, he talks about how wonderful 86% of Americans have it when it comes to health care. Not quite. No metric is perfect, but infant mortality is a good start. The CIA says we’re number 46.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_infant_mortality_rate

    Then he talks about the French disaster during the 2003 heat wave. Thing is, the French actually canned a minister and seriously reformed their system. Compare that with our response to Katrina.

    But, then again, it is HiFi.

  86. Plain Jane
    October 14, 2010 at 6:57 pm | #86

    Longevity and general health is also a good indicator. We fall behind CUBA on all 3.

  87. Ed
    October 14, 2010 at 7:41 pm | #87

    In reality, when people don’t make a living wage, they often turn to crime. Get ready.

  88. Anonymous
    October 14, 2010 at 8:14 pm | #88

    wow, must have been a fun meeting!

  89. Joy Writer
    October 14, 2010 at 9:00 pm | #89

    This is an attempt to respond to the question posed earlier about the minimum wage. If an individual’s services were not worth at least as much as the minimum wage, then they should just do us all a favor, and not work. Such an individual would either need more training, or a caretaker. I believe Richard Marks falls into this catagory along with Hi Fi.

  90. Jerks
    October 14, 2010 at 9:01 pm | #90

    8:14pm Nope. Not fun. Gang mentality. Attack minority on committee.

  91. Walt
    October 14, 2010 at 9:03 pm | #91

    Does Hi-Fi really exist? What if he’s just an evil twin of Heraldo, put out there just to stir people up. For that matter how many have met and talked to Rob? Not me.

  92. Joy Writer
    October 14, 2010 at 9:48 pm | #92

    You may be onto something there, Walt. But, have you considered that it may be Heraldo who is an evil twin, and Hi-Fi is the real deal? There could be several possibilities. It may be best to assume nothing.

  93. Anonymous
    October 14, 2010 at 10:02 pm | #93

    no evil twin.

    (Hi-Fi) = Heraldo

    anyone else would have quit a long time ago.

  94. Joy Writer
    October 14, 2010 at 10:19 pm | #94

    How agout this:

    Hi – Fi = Heraldo

  95. October 14, 2010 at 11:00 pm | #95

    Does Hi-Fi really exist? What if he’s just an evil twin of Heraldo, put out there just to stir people up.

    A more plausible explanation is that H has multiple personality disorder. Reads own blog as Hi-Fi.

  96. The Monitor
    October 14, 2010 at 11:21 pm | #96

    Hi Fi exists in his own mind, as a real person, an intellectual, worthy of sparing with, as savior, as the last word, a founding father of the one true way. Thank all those beings for just being in his own mind.

  97. Ron Kuhnel
    October 14, 2010 at 11:44 pm | #97

    Interesting stuff here. I am a little late weighing in but I had that little matter of a Candidate Forum (debate) on KVIE to attend to tonight.

    We have Erik suggesting that a mailer saying “Supported by Democrats, as opposed to
    ‘”The Democratic Party” are technically different things. This is true but it is still duplicitous and is most certainty not campaigning on the issues.

    And then we have High Finance branding me as being “far left wing”.

    So what makes him feel compelled to try to stick any label on me, particularly that one?

    Would it have something to do with my having worked for state government and having served as the Chief Information Officer for the state under George Deukmejian, a Republican Governor?

    Maybe it is those eight years I served as a Planning Commissioner where never once did I cast a vote that could be construed as anti-business.

    I know, it must be that big vegetable garden I grow to feed my family and give the excess to Food for People.

    So come on Hi Fi, as you are neatly tossing out labels, be specific. I am sure everyone, including myself, would like to know what makes me “far left wing”?

  98. “HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE”
    October 15, 2010 at 5:45 am | #98

    PJ,

    the “me first and only attitudes” you claim on mostly businesses is just as inclusive a statement for consumers who may or may not be business employers and employees.

    Greed via over-population is at the top of any such pyramid, whether greed is executed by anyone within that pyramid structure or not – top or bottom. The pyramid schemes don’t work without slavery-type labor nearer to the bottom that is vassally controlled and operated for such dumbed-down minionized workers and stool pigeon support. It really is a survivalist’s worst nightmare – knowing that human culling is in the hands of the wealthiest money grubbing thieves a world can procreate alongside the very elected officials voters seem so willing to select from a dualopoly.

    Whitman or Brown for the popularized dumbed down, while the rest of the innocent and abused become entrenched even more. Terrible job voters, absolutely terrible!

    Question: How many voters have turned their opinions (since you all did very little to zero research – admit it brainwashed) with respect to OBAMA-mania? How about BUSH-omatic?? Or, CLINTON-blow me Monica??? Or, BUSH-lockbox liar???? Or, Reagan-puppet master’s wet dream????? Or Jimmy-got jimmy latex mindset??????

    Yep, as history suggests, America has been in a presidential and congressional tailspin for decades just waiting for this mess to catch up to those who help manifest it – The Voters!

    Sad for the youngest voters who have “been handed” grenade issues and results by previous generations (YOUR SELFISH PARENTS).

    Jeffrey Lytle
    McKinleyville – 5th District

  99. “HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE”
    October 15, 2010 at 6:00 am | #99

    Mr. Nice @ 4:32 pm

    Yep, AND, a business need not make any profit to still make money. How? Um, all expenses, including labor and salaries to employees, ownership and board members too, is treated as a reimburseable expense prior to pooling grafted monies of consumers AND low-ball pay to employees. It is true about how profit is marginalized through minimum percentage mark-ups (30% seems to be the low end figure).

    A point of so many – A TRANSACTION, REBATE, COUPON, PREBATE, SALE OR FIRE SALE OR ANY TYPE OF SALE IS REALLY NOT “A SALE”. NOPE, IT IS FURTHER BRAINWASHING FOR PROFITS THROUGH HIDDEN MARKETING TECHNIQUES THAT DISGUISE VALUATED PROFITS UNTIL AFTER THE SALE – KINDA LIKE HOW A NEW VEHICLE DEPRECIATES IMMEDIATELY AS THE NEW PURCHASE LEAVES THE SALES-LOT.

    Greed educates people to become stupid – exactly what pyramid schemers want – educate greed!

    JL

  100. Good Grief
    October 15, 2010 at 8:28 am | #100

    I didnt and dont agree with Richard’s resignation. He was elected to the position, a small yet quite vocal minority pressured him to leave for supporting candidates that in his opinion represented the change (moderates) he seems to support in city government. I agreed with his reasoning also that the positions Brady and Newman seek are non partisan.

    One thing the far leftys neglected to note is your conversations do not take place in a private bubble-it gets out that Larry Glass “attacked” Richard Marks in a meeting at HCDCC, and then we have to wonder why vote for such Extremism? You lost a few votes Larry.

    This party cleansing to get rid of the outliers to have “everyone” in both Democrat and Republican parties walk in lock step agreement along tightly defined lines…DO NOT ASSOCIATE with impure EXfriends etc…. THIS alone is what gives rise to voter apathy, massive dissatisfaction, distrust of government and a door wide open even more extremes like the Tea Party.

    Its a Revolution against “politics as usual” shut down the other guy even if he has a good idea because we cant let THEM take credit for anything. SHUT THEM out of the process, SILENCE their voices, WE HAVE AN AGENDA and any variation is NOT TO BE TOLERATED!

    In the thick of it, you cant see the forest for the trees. Disgusting.

  101. OffTheRez
    October 15, 2010 at 8:40 am | #101

    Marks is a traitor pure and simple. Good luck, maybe Matt can get you a job with the Republicans.

  102. Mr. Nice
    October 15, 2010 at 8:43 am | #102

    Henchman, yes. Clearing inventory has added value for the business. It helps with the 4 hour work week when slow-selling merchandise does not have to be written off as destroyed.

    The big defenses of minimum wage are New Jersey and Washington’s fast food franchises. Fast food can operate on slim margins and still have profit. Their corn meal and corn syrup products are taxpayer subsidized. How much they pay their employees has a small effect on profits. Since they make $2.00-$5.00 off of every purchase and billions served, they don’t care about paying cashiers $5 / hr or $8 / hr. Government coerced wages ensure everyone gets paid about the same regardless of productivity.

    Collective bargaining does the skilled worker no good. It is a way for employees who provide less value that are envious of good workers to force employers to give them the same rewards. Like Milton Friedman said: Unions don’t cause high wages, high wages cause unions.

  103. Plain Jane
    October 15, 2010 at 8:44 am | #103

    How does “Good Grief” explain Blue Dog Democrats and what is the Republican equivalent? Like Will Rogers said, “I don’t belong to an organized political party. I’m a Democrat.”

  104. Mr. Nice
    October 15, 2010 at 8:49 am | #104

    Y’all do realize Marks supported Democrats and Independents right? He didn’t come fully to our side and run as or throw weight behind a Republican.

  105. Mr. Nice
    October 15, 2010 at 8:50 am | #105

    How does “Good Grief” explain Blue Dog Democrats and what is the Republican equivalent?

    RINOs.

  106. Plain Jane
    October 15, 2010 at 8:50 am | #106

    BS Mr. Nice. Quoting Milton Friedman whose economic philosophy nearly collapsed the entire world’s economy is insane. Unions fought for every improvement labor has achieved in this country and, I would note, that the countries YOU cited as examples against minimum wage are highly unionized, protected by contracts overseen by their governments and prosperous to a degree we today can only dream of.

  107. Mr. Nice
    October 15, 2010 at 9:00 am | #107

    Sure they have government coerced collective bargaining. Nobody is perfect. I said they don’t have minimum wage laws.

    How did Friedman’s philosophy nearly collapse the world economy when it was never put into practice? People at Federal Reserve set the Federal funds rate, not a computer.

  108. Good Grief
    October 15, 2010 at 9:06 am | #108

    Without healthy debate in our own party how are we prepared to work with Republicans who are also elected to do a job in Sacramento, in Washington DC. I see this is destructive politics and leave the DINOS and RINOS out of it for a moment-that was the purpose of my post originally.

    When Republicans held the majority, Dems were shut down shut out–we have repaid the favor and nothing got done oh! Except theres no public option for Healthcare, something that would have started to cut out the bloated costs to consumers.

    Why the hell are we balancing the city budget to the bloody bone in most departments when we should go after the state for money they “Temporarily” took to balance THEIR budget (they never learned to live on what they had to spend).

    Seems whenever I post something you’re all up in arms when instead you could be asking yourself a few simple questions. What is wrong with the picture, how do we get back on track.

  109. Mr. Nice
    October 15, 2010 at 9:09 am | #109

    We would be all up in arms regardless.

  110. Plain Jane
    October 15, 2010 at 9:20 am | #110

    Was “trickle down” tax cuts not Friedman? It’s pretty irrelevant if a computer or people manipulate the money supply since the manipulation is the issue and Friedman wasn’t opposed to manipulation. Was deregulation of finance not Friedman? Without the deregulation and manipulated money supply would the crisis have occurred?

  111. Carol Conners
    October 15, 2010 at 9:21 am | #111

    Mr. Nice?, Someone who has transferred from Republican to Democrat is using Ronald Reagan as her role model and is the DINO that Richard Marks supports. Her defunct restaurant was the meeting place for the local republicans up until it closed. Pete Hannaford, one of Reagan’s publicists, spoke at the local Republican Women’s lunch and stated that she, along with the other pro N contenders, are their (republican’s) candidates. Newman now calls himself decline to state, and was previously a Republican. Last night’s debate on KEET illustrated it – all Newman and Brady could talk about was about developing the polluted wetland called the Ballon Tract under the guise of the Marina Center.
    And now for the smears . . .

  112. Plain Jane
    October 15, 2010 at 9:22 am | #112

    When the government tells employers what they must pay and what benefits they must provide, a law called “minimum wage” is completely irrelevant.

  113. Mitch
    October 15, 2010 at 9:26 am | #113

    Let’s put libertarian principles into action for national defense. Everybody who thinks we need an armed forces and military industry should make voluntary contributions. No further taxes should be spent on the armed forces or the purchase of weapons systems.

    As soon as you accomplish that, Mr. Nice, I’ll bother to pay attention to your economic theories.

  114. Plain Jane
    October 15, 2010 at 9:29 am | #114

    Is there a RINO caucus? Dang, I thought RINO was just what extremists call any Republican who doesn’t vote as ordered by their party leader, Rush.

  115. Mr. Nice
    October 15, 2010 at 9:31 am | #115

    They aren’t my economic theories. My economic theory is to do away with money entirely. Prolly won’t happen. Until then I try to parrot more pragmatic stuff.

    And Friedman’s economic policy was never the Forrest Gumpanomics that caused the housing bubble. The media were the ones who said that.

  116. Mitch
    October 15, 2010 at 9:35 am | #116

    Bullshit, Mr. Nice.

    When Friedman’s theories touch the real world, they are immediately converted to Gumpanomics. It’s an inevitability. It’s pure bait-and-switch.

  117. Mr. Nice
    October 15, 2010 at 9:37 am | #117

    RINOs are Blue Dog Democrats who call themselves Republicans. Celeste Greig coined the term, that buffoon Limbaugh started using it years after the fact.

  118. Plain Jane
    October 15, 2010 at 9:47 am | #118

    You don’t consider deregulating the financial industry an aspect of Friedman economics, Mr? How about the unfunded tax cuts which resulted in stagnating wages for the majority and pushed them into subsidizing their living standards with credit cards and home equity loans? Did enlarging the mortgage supply through deregulation not encourage credit swap default so banks could lower mortgage standards and sell their risks while betting on them to fail? If low interest rates were all that played a part in the housing bubble it would still be inflating and would never pop, which is exactly what the Friedman acolytes claimed.

  119. Plain Jane
    October 15, 2010 at 9:49 am | #119

    Why don’t you provide a list of these RINO’s, Mr?

  120. Mr. Nice
    October 15, 2010 at 10:13 am | #120

    Friedman said that rational people would realize tax cuts without spending cuts would result in higher taxes later. As it should.

  121. Mr. Nice
    October 15, 2010 at 10:14 am | #121

    Here I’ll play the race card for minimum wage purposes

    Bureau of Labor Statistics Table A-2

    Which white people does the minimum wage benefit?

  122. Good Grief
    October 15, 2010 at 10:18 am | #122

    ok its a start…

    The conversation might go something like this:
    Marian: Can we help you develop some other aspects Besides development of the Balloon Track because our city is facing financial ruin, that one project isn’t going to ‘Save Us’.
    Larry: We love that you are proactive, but can you open up to new ideas that dont necessarily come from your close associates so that we can work together.

    Eureka City Council has a few Rules regarding code of conduct, supposed to work together for solutions-OTHER cities do that just fine. It seems to be here behind the curtain we dont think anyone is looking so we pull shit right and left thinking we can get away like this forever. But we can’t.

    One reason to vote for moderates in this election is they will read the Rules and do their best to follow them. A reason to vote for Ron or Larry instead is they know how this stuff works already, many contacts, they may have an agenda you Approve of.

    I’m not so sure. A few things the city council has done lately are flat out illegal. We have choices but if we don’t vote well….

  123. Plain Jane
    October 15, 2010 at 10:21 am | #123

    Too bad he didn’t predict that tax cuts would result in stagnating wages and fewer jobs, Mr.

  124. Mr. Nice
    October 15, 2010 at 10:41 am | #124

    Stagnating wages… let’s look, Plain

    Bureau of Economic Analysis – Table 6.2D

    Trend that has California in such a mess continues. Every industry is shit on except for one sector: Government.

    This trend has been going on since W’s administration and continues. All the public sector employees see nothing wrong. Government job security allows them to gain seniority and their pensions are paid for on the dime taken from the rest of us.

    I don’t think that big spending on government had anything to do with Friedman’s ideas. That was our greedy elected officials doing that.

    Down to the local level these people want pay raises for them and their cronies. At this rate, soon California will be charging full price for state-funded education.

  125. Plain Jane
    October 15, 2010 at 10:57 am | #125

    What do you think that chart shows, Mr? It is only for 2008 and 2009 and shows a decline in wages since the crash.

    Dated 4/9/2008:
    “In 2000, at the end of the previous economic expansion, the median American family made about $61,000, according to the Census Bureau’s inflation-adjusted numbers. In 2007, in what looks to have been the final year of the most recent expansion, the median family, amazingly, seems to have made less — about $60,500.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/09/business/09leonhardt.html

  126. Anonymous
    October 15, 2010 at 10:59 am | #126

    Maybe you guys should start your own economics blog instead of infesting every thread here with this endless discussion.

  127. Plain Jane
    October 15, 2010 at 11:06 am | #127

    Is someone forcing you to read the posts, 10:59? Is there anything stopping anyone from posting about Marks? Complaining about the content of others’ posts because you find them boring is silly.

  128. Mitch
    October 15, 2010 at 11:26 am | #128

    Reality economics

    An economy benefits when a thing is produced and no corresponding loss is involved.

    Unless things are being produced, there won’t be enough people with sufficient income to buy services. If there is heavy income inequality, the wealthy may be able to absorb so much in services that this does not become immediately obvious.

    An economy based on people tattooing one another, doing one another’s hair and nails, and giving one another massages is not sustainable.

    Neither is one that consists of people teaching one another how to do things, or taking care of one another’s medical or mental problems, or investing one another’s money, or printing “news” or stories about one another.

    Neither is one that consists of people selling already produced things to one another, especially if the already produced things were produced outside the economy.

    An economy based on too-rapid extraction of natural resources is not sustainable, and may actually reduce the long-term wealth of a host community.

    Farming and manufacturing can be ways of creating things without creating even greater losses. That assumes that the farmer doesn’t destroy the soil’s productivity and that the manufacturer isn’t destroying the environment.

    When farming and manufacturing are able to create wealth without destroying just as much wealth in the process, they create opportunities for satellite businesses that provide them with services that increase their efficiency. They create the opportunity for people to get services that appeal, like having their hair and nails done, their tattoos tattooed, their brains educated, and their backs massaged.

    The United States economy is in the shitter because people would rather believe magic than the above. The United States economy will emerge from the shitter if and when people come to believe the above.

  129. Anonymous
    October 15, 2010 at 11:39 am | #129

    The person who posted way back (can’t find it right now) about OH BASS not having union workers made me laugh. That’s right, all the other restaurants did. Are you kidding? FO SHO! Ha Ha!

  130. Mr. Nice
    October 15, 2010 at 11:42 am | #130

    Plain Jane, change the start year on the table if you want more than 08-09. Goes back to 98.

    My point was that while most industry (aside from health care) suffered 08-09, government kept increasing as if nothing happened. Take 1998 as a start date and government spending has ballooned 80% while most other industry (again, aside from our fucked up health care system) has increased a normal amount.

    Government employee salaries are 1.63 trillion dollars. As a fraction of GDP, government salaries have increased from 10% to 11% during this same period. We are going to see 20 trillion in debt soon enough.

    I’m just saying cut the cord. Fuck all these politicians. They shouldn’t get our votes. If they were in it for the people, they would take a real pay cut like everyone else has. Instead they make the lower rung public sector workers take a pay cut while they get a pay raise. The retired ones want our tax money to bail out their insolvent pensions. Ain’t that a bitch? I think so.

  131. Reinventing The Wheel
    October 15, 2010 at 11:43 am | #131

    “The Constitution guarantees protections to property, but not the right of suffrage to any corporation…(We must) prohibit the use of corporate funds directly or indirectly for political purposes… and (we must) especially (have) national restraints on unfair money-getting that has tended to create a small class of enormously wealthy and economically powerful men, whose chief object is to hold and increase their power”.

    Former President Theodore Roosevelt, Osawatomie, Kansas, August 31, 1910.

    The return of the Gilded Age has its supports in this blog.

  132. Plain Jane
    October 15, 2010 at 11:50 am | #132

    Yeah, without all those government jobs our unemployment rate would be much lower and the reduction in consumer spending would fix all our problems. Did you happen to check on how much more rich people are making than they did in 2000 and with the lowest tax rates in modern history? How about military spending and corporate welfare?

  133. Mitch
    October 15, 2010 at 11:52 am | #133

    PJ and all,

    The correct categories should not be government versus private sector, but productive vs. unproductive.

    There are productive, unproductive, and counterproductive jobs in both government and the private sector.

  134. Plain Jane
    October 15, 2010 at 12:02 pm | #134

    Excellent point, Mitch.

  135. Mr. Nice
    October 15, 2010 at 12:06 pm | #135

    Mitch,

    Arable Land – United States

    We’re doing okay as far as soil erosion in general. I’ll admit this is mostly due to the NCRS influence and modern no-till agriculture practice.

    Corn continues fucking it up though. Corn-fed cows, corn gluten food, corn syrup, everything is fucking monoculture corn these days. Most farmers don’t employ no-till agriculture practices with corn. Simple answer to this problem: hemp. The other answer is to dissuade people from eating corn-fed meat products washed down with watered-down corn-syrup. Seen the documentary King Corn? Good shit.

  136. Mr. Nice
    October 15, 2010 at 12:07 pm | #136

    Not promoting corporate welfare or military spending. I hate on those too.

  137. Mr. Nice
    October 15, 2010 at 12:18 pm | #137

    This discussion has my phone battery dying. Knew I shoulda got one of those portable solar charger gizmos.

    Now if we delay those global warming things with prop 23 am I gonna pay more for a solar charger thing? I can’t exactly plug this into the dirt, this ain’t ancient Mesoamerica.

    As to productive jobs in public sector, that’s not my point. Point is we were doing fine with the government workers in 2000 so why do we need to spend so much in 2010? It’s not like we got 80% more people. California has grown 10% in that time. Where is all this money going?

  138. High Finance
    October 15, 2010 at 12:37 pm | #138

    Plain Jane, 10-14 5.48pm; Its good for you to have the option to retire. Most min wage employees don’t have that option. I never said I was opposed to raising the min wage.

    Turtle, 10-14 5.57pm and Monitor at 6.12pm. Most min wage people are not “surviving” on their job. Most are kids working their way through school earning some extra income.

    Not a Native 10-14 6.37pm. You have not a clue as to how people like me think because we don’t play the victim card, we are self-sufficient. We work harder than you do, we work smarter than you do & we invest smarter than you do. We make short term sacrifices and keep our eye on the long term.

    Ed 10-14 7.41pm. What a snob you are, what a elitist wannabe. You think all poor people are criminals or about to be criminals. You have insulted all poor people.

  139. High Finance
    October 15, 2010 at 12:45 pm | #139

    Ron Kuhnel; 10-14 11.44pm. I went back to the Democracy Unlimited web site to pull up your answers to their questions to respond to you. Unfortunately they have taken the questionaire down or moved it. Your answers to their question would answer your question.

    If it is still up, maybe somebody can direct me to the web site & I will be glad to point out the errors of your ways.

    And for all of you who claimed that I am really Heraldo? Why insult me that way???????????

  140. Not A Native
    October 15, 2010 at 12:48 pm | #140

    Gee, Mr. Nice are you thinking about the 2000 when PALCO was clearcutting the crap out of the county because of weak Government regulation? And when Louisiana Pacific was putting excessive amounts of pollution into the air and water because the regulatory agencies were overloaded? And when the Hunter ice house had corroded pipes leaking toxic ammonia that inspectors didn’t have time to find and enforce? And when the levees around New Orleans weren’t analysed for adequacy because of other priorities? And when unwatched terrorists were finalizing plans to blow up the WTC because the FBI was busy on other things? And when fixing road and bridge deterioration had to be put on the back burner?

    Is that the 2000 you mean when you wrote “we were doing fine”?

    You know, Mr. Nice, when you fall off a cliff, you “do just fine” until that last inch. Maybe YOU personally were doing just fine in 2000, but the nation wasn’t. But you couldn’t care less.

  141. Mitch
    October 15, 2010 at 12:51 pm | #141

    Never saw NationMaster before. Thanks, Mr. Nice.

  142. Ed
    October 15, 2010 at 1:03 pm | #142

    Tell it to Jean Valjean High.

  143. A-Nony-Mouse
    October 15, 2010 at 1:03 pm | #143

    Meanwhile, HiFi, you put yourself on a pedestal above all the rest of us who don’t work hard, aren’t smart enough, never invest, and certainly don’t make sacrifices. What a pompous ass!

    Marks sat in on Dem meetings and reported directly to his buds in the retro camp. The mailers in question clearly tried to represent the candidates as having Dem endorsements, including his name and a donkey in the corner (Dem logo). This is a clear violation of Dem bylaws which warrants his resignation.

    Larry didn’t attack the man, he attacked his behavior. That’s a different thing. Even the best of us must be accountable for our behavior. If the cartoon “Brady Bunch” is so desperate that they have to try to hide behind the Dems and send out mailers with clear lies, they are in trouble for sure. I have no doubt they will continue to try to spread false rumor and inuendo (like Ron being ‘far left wing), anything to discredit their opponents. Win at all cost is their mantra. Beware!

  144. High Finance
    October 15, 2010 at 1:09 pm | #144

    Mouse, you understood nothing of what I said, as usual. Try taking some time & thinking beyond your prejudices instead of knee jerking.

  145. “HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE”
    October 15, 2010 at 1:47 pm | #145

    Exactly Mr. Nice @ 8:43 am,

    all those excessive profits were used to pay ahead of time the shelf-stocked inventory for so many corporations that

    A)simply firing and not hiring renders the same profit mark-up with less labor and associated labor-caused costs to

    B)yield a greater profit margin…..up until there exists no more product to sell and/or until the profit marginizations are affected to such a degree that

    C)the pyramid schemers power is , in effect, minimized.

    Thus, the crux is the HOW JOBS ARE CREATED AND WHO IS MANIPULATING THE TERMS.

    Jeffrey Lytle
    McKinleyville – 5th District

  146. “HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE”
    October 15, 2010 at 2:03 pm | #146

    O.k.,

    PJ and Mr. Nice and anyone else who wants to discuss cba’s…..

    do explain professional athletes and there associated leagues, fanbase, rip off costs and prices to participate as a fan, making citizens pay for stadiums at taxpayers’ expenses when athletes, owners, all directly link make bank………

    Anyhow PJ, unions were originally for better worker conditions….economic segregation of labor and consumption, due to among many things, comes in forms such as union benfits partly subsidized by union taxes collected; mostly subsidized by non-union taxes collected; partly subsidized by union sales transactions due to consumption; partly subsidized by non-union sales transactions due to consumption, etc…. When economic, social and financial segregation and abuse are committed by those who gain from such conducts whether through representatives or by direct conducts and action, this is the very reason why unions are wrong. Today Cal-OSHA, Federal OSHA, consumer safety standards, blah, blah, blah is much more than a minimum reason to justify why unions ARE NO LONGER EFFECTIVE OR NEEDED when it comes to PROTECTIONS WARRANTED. When it rains it pours, eh?

    Simply save the money from the mobster style pay-offs to government/private fascists and reduce those costs from doing battle

    AND

    pay the laborers and workforce higher wages with those redirected tax/fee funds and experience the results of a more true and pure make-up of prosperity where one appropriately keeps what they earn.

    JL

  147. High Finance
    October 15, 2010 at 2:17 pm | #147

    Jeffrey, in a free market ticket prices will only rise only to the point that fans are still willing to pay.

    “excessive” is the term you apply, but millions of fans differ with you.

  148. “HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE”
    October 15, 2010 at 2:28 pm | #148

    Well Ya HiFi,

    Yet, we don’t live in a truly “free-market” (your answer is logically rejected). So, how many fans are aware of the tax subsidies and how economis directly ties to sports as well?

    Besides, it is a personal vice for which when the money dries-up, don’t not blame the fact that a fans poor spending habits, voting habits and practices is a reason why their in the unemployment line, thats all.

    JL

  149. Mr. Nice
    October 15, 2010 at 2:36 pm | #149

    Being a sports fan ain’t a habit now excuse me while I go twitter about how bad the Phillies will lose tomorrow.

  150. Un-Named
    October 15, 2010 at 2:51 pm | #150

    “pay the laborers and workforce higher wages with those redirected tax/fee funds and experience the results of a more true and pure make-up of prosperity where one appropriately keeps what they earn.”

    what more needs to be said about “taxes”? Wealthy people are already putting their money where their mouth is: they keep it. I’d like to keep more of mine, too. I can do with fewer social perks of the wealthy, for the wealthy…the tax they take from me has no voice in their provisions. The wealthy rely on costs always and only going up for the poor, if by nothing other than transition of liquid money. It’s the foundation of their practice.

    If nobody were taxed, not even the richest people in the world, the wealthy would have to provide the poor with the resources necessary to maintain their formulaic system of personal prosperity. It would apply to every level of the money ladder.

  151. Un-Named
    October 15, 2010 at 3:02 pm | #151

    …also, in the same way Henchman described how there is no such thing as a “sale”, can be said of there being no such thing as a “tax”. There is only the money you receive. An important difference is, while it’s beneficial to promote the word “sale” or “savings” as money that you would otherwise have spent (while still spending money), the word “tax” is disguised as a seperate entity of money that you have to spend…somehow unrelated to your original bottom line (the money you have to spend for spending the money you had to spend anyway…all one lump sum).

    …if that makes sense.

  152. Mitch
    October 15, 2010 at 3:04 pm | #152

    So, according to HiFi, good batters were only worth a few thousand a month until the 70s, and then suddenly became worth much more. Because everyone is always and everywhere being paid precisely what they are worth.

    If you, like HiFi, are happy with tautologies, you too can drink the Kool-aid. BTW, volunteers are worthless.

  153. Mr. Nice
    October 15, 2010 at 3:57 pm | #153

    Mitch, nationmaster is automated. Always check the comments and the source. If their automation goes bad, the stats go off the source. If the stats are off the recent comments will talk shit. Whoever runs nationmaster hasn’t fixed stats since 2003. Used to do updates every day now they do it like once every six months. Shit is going to the way of friendster.

    This one is bad:
    Per Capita Drug Offenses

    Germany doesn’t have 2.5 drug offenses per person. In the comments it shows the stats used to be all different there.

    On the source for drug offenses, the total number got mixed up with per 100,000 and the rest of them got mixed up with total number. Netherlands is 78.56 per 100,000 not 12,000.

    The page I linked matches the source, world bank. That source has some interesting stats like Central government debt.

  154. Plain Jane
    October 15, 2010 at 4:18 pm | #154

    And CEO’s went from being worth 24 times the average worker in 1960, 42 times in 1982, 262 by 2005 and 301 in 2009, with some being paid 1000 times a workers wages. In this same time period unions have been broken, the share of wealth owned by workers has declined, benefits, wages and jobs slashed and personal and government debt massively increased while the richest people enjoy the lowest tax rates in modern history. Is there a problem with this trend?

  155. Mr. Nice
    October 15, 2010 at 4:23 pm | #155

    Now former CEOs go lose at the ballot box.

  156. Mitch
    October 15, 2010 at 4:33 pm | #156

    Meg Whitman sure knows how to throw $120 million into the toilet. Imagine if she’d “invested” $100,000 in being decent to her maid. It might have “earned” her a 120,000% return.

    This is the story of modern day capitalism in a nutshell. It’s almost as if the Galts are incapable of acting with decency even when it’s in their own self-interest.

  157. Anon
    October 15, 2010 at 4:38 pm | #157

    A lot of you have probably forgotten when Bonnie ran the last time against Nancy Fleming and the Republican Women had a big “debate” between them. Bonnie was a Republican then and only recently changed her affiliation. She also has stopped a lot of businesses coming here for jobs but you guys have just forgotten or never knew about it. Hershey’s, a large boat building company, a company that would build housing with steel supports. Probably her “friends” that contributed would not have wanted some of the businesses that could have brought decent wages here but she worked the backrooms and got them stopped.

    Although Bonnie recently changed to a Democrat and so did Virginia you accept Bonnie as a “real Democrat”. Bonnie will be anything you want as long as she can get reelected. Money from other areas?? You forgot about “local” I guess. She gets paid to attend the Coastal Commission Meetings and also gets paid pretty good to just read the packet they send her as well as all expenses to get there and the not cheap hotels they all stay in. As far as “Republicans” always going to OH – what crap you come up with. So far I am a Democrat but vote across party lines as some people are much better than others and it is pretty clear. For you guys that only vote party lines maybe that is why we are in such a mess in this Country, State and County.

    Good for Richard for resigning!

  158. Plain Jane
    October 15, 2010 at 4:40 pm | #158

    I think it’s mental illness, Mitch. What else could explain people who can never have enough no matter how much wealth they amass? It’s sort of the opposite of an anorexic who sees a fat person when they look in the mirror.

  159. Plain Jane
    October 15, 2010 at 4:45 pm | #159

    JEEZUS! That story about Hershey’s has been going around since the 60′s, when Neely was still in school, and it is a myth. She never blocked any of those businesses from locating here and she tried to help the pulp mill start back up. A supervisor isn’t a miracle worker, can’t force companies to locate here and can’t make deals that results in losing money to bribe them to come.

  160. Mr. Nice
    October 15, 2010 at 4:46 pm | #160

    Whitman can’t help firing her Mexican house cleaner or shoving her Korean coworker. It’s like heckling Kramer, she just got a short fuse when it comes to non-white people.

  161. Mr. Nice
    October 15, 2010 at 4:53 pm | #161

    I heard they were going to bring in a Toyota plant that made cars out of chocolate.

  162. Mitch
    October 15, 2010 at 4:57 pm | #162

    PJ,

    Well, if societies can have mental illnesses, it sure seems like a societal mental illness.

    I wasn’t in California when it tried its self-esteem curriculum, and I know it’s been heavily ridiculed. Still, the only explanation I can find for people who are not happy unless they have yet another million is that they have zero self-esteem, and need to do a daily count to find out if they’re worth anything.

    It’s not their fault.

    The entire advertising industry, which is extremely technically sophisticated, exists to convince people that they are incomplete without more stuff. And almost all of the people “in charge” — the bobo class of BosNyWash — have bought in to one degree or another.

    It’s tragic.

  163. High Finance
    October 15, 2010 at 4:59 pm | #163

    Mitch, Jane & Nice. Are any of you aware she paid her maid $23 per hour? For a MAID.

    And Plain Jane spends many a wasted post speechifying how awful CEO’s are making so much money. Now she accuses them of mental illness. Yet not one post on Barbara Streisand, Susan Sarandon, Ted Danson, Kobe Bryant, Tom Brady, Oprah, Katie Couric, Ted Kennedy, John Kerry, Jerry Brown, Dianne Feinstein and on and on and on, who make as much or more.

    Hypocrisy, thy name is Plain Jane.

  164. Mitch
    October 15, 2010 at 5:06 pm | #164

    And are you aware, HiFi, that she required the woman to work overtime without pay? That she required her to use her own car for errands, without reimbursement?

    But really, HiFi, you’ve pretty much summed yourself up. “For a MAID.”

  165. Un-Named
    October 15, 2010 at 5:09 pm | #165

    The government taxes the same dollar about four times per change of hands, in an endless overlapping cycle. The money is assumed pre-spent, so it is taxed upon receipt, taxed for storage, then taxed again when exchanged, and often taxed additionally for the exchange. Often several taxes included simultaneously.

    This is basic stuff, yes…the difference is, the wealthier you are, the more exempt you are from having to declare the where’s and when’s of the money exchanging hands, and how much tax is applied at the time. Again, basic stuff. Yes folks…the corruption is obvious and common knowledge, yet here we are.

  166. Mitch
    October 15, 2010 at 5:11 pm | #166

    And while we’re at it, the rest of us got to pocket AT LEAST $4/hr of Ms. Santillan’s earnings. Because Ms. Santillan was not in the country legally, she cannot claim the money deducted from her wages for Social Security. And the cannot claim the employer share which Whitman would have had to pay the IRS.

  167. Mitch
    October 15, 2010 at 5:15 pm | #167

    “Barbra Streisand, etc…”

    The difference, HiFi, is that people like Streisand get paid directly based on how many people purchase the works they’ve performed. CEOs get compensated depending on how many cronies they’ve put on their compensation committee, and on how outrageous CEO pay is averaged across the nation.

    I’d have no problem with executive compensation if it dropped to zero for companies lagging the S&P 500.

  168. Plain Jane
    October 15, 2010 at 5:20 pm | #168

    And how many jobs they outsource and corners they cut for quick profits regardless of the damage done to future profits, the environment or the country in which they prosper. It’s sociopathic.

  169. High Finance
    October 15, 2010 at 5:47 pm | #169

    Yes Mitch, 5.06pm, I have heard that story. If true it puts Meg in a very bad light indeed. However, you must remember we only have the word of a fired employee for that. Even if true, there could be very reasonable explanation for that.

    So how many MAIDS do you know that are paid $23 per hour??

    NO Mitch !, Barbara is NOT paid “directly”. She is paid by the corporation CEO’s & their “cronies” that hire her to put out records on their labels or come & perform at their centers.

  170. Mitch
    October 15, 2010 at 5:54 pm | #170

    $23/hr is basically a union wage. For someone who works with your children in your mansion in an extremely high-rent area, it just doesn’t seem all that out of line. Personally, I think it should be a starting salary for any job in which someone is asked to clean your toilets.

    And, HiFi, you have heard of royalties, yes? The corporations’ CEOs do not pay Streisand. They take portions of her earnings, so they can make deals to buy AOL and destroy shareholder value.

  171. Mitch
    October 15, 2010 at 5:58 pm | #171

    And, HiFi, there is the story of the dog that did not bark. If Whitman had 1% of the management savvy she is trying to sell to the electorate, she would have found a way to silence her fired employee. (Legally, I’d like to think.)

    The fact that she was demonstrably unable to do that means she is a lousy executive, even if you don’t care what sort of human being she is.

  172. October 15, 2010 at 6:00 pm | #172

    The last HCDCC meeting was a “bullying” session. Most of the people who aired complaints about me were Associate Members and guests. It was done in a “mob” setting and people took shots at me personally. Some just said derogatory comments with no basis of fact. More than one comment was made about my candidates being in line with Meg Whitman even though they are Democrats. Just not the HCDCC type of Democrats. Whatever that is.

    But that is OK. There was an overflow crowd at the meeting, and I do like and respect many of the members. It is not like I was one of the inactive members who just show up and not do the grunt work that people on the committee do to be functional.

    I heard enough at the meeting and I did what I thought was best for the committee and resigned. So why all the hatred on this blog?

  173. Mitch
    October 15, 2010 at 6:01 pm | #173

    Hey, Richard, why are you trying to change the subject? :)

  174. High Finance
    October 15, 2010 at 6:07 pm | #174

    Don’t worry about the poster’s opinions here Richard. 75% of the people out in the real world think you did the right thing.

  175. Plain Jane
    October 15, 2010 at 6:33 pm | #175

    HiFi took a poll at the Ingomar Club, you know, the “real world.”

  176. October 15, 2010 at 6:53 pm | #176

    By the way, HiFi, it’s “Barbra”, not “Barbara”. What else do you get wrong?

    And your list at 4:59? Most of those people actually create something of value that the market can either buy/vote for or reject. Not an option with the overpaid FAIL CEOs.

    Given the huge amounts of money corporations and major league sports teams rake in, I don’t begrudge the people who do the real creative work like actors or musicians, or risk injury (by their own choice, of course) like athletes, the money they make. It’s still a small percentage of the total take.

  177. Eric Kirk
    October 15, 2010 at 7:15 pm | #177

    So, Eric, you like Virginia??

    Certainly. But I’m backing Bonnie.

  178. Eric Kirk
    October 15, 2010 at 7:27 pm | #178

    Mitch, Jane & Nice. Are any of you aware she paid her maid $23 per hour? For a MAID.

    What’s the going rate for a maid in Whitman’s market?

  179. Eric Kirk
    October 15, 2010 at 7:31 pm | #179

    Ron Kuhnel; 10-14 11.44pm. I went back to the Democracy Unlimited web site to pull up your answers to their questions to respond to you. Unfortunately they have taken the questionaire down or moved it. Your answers to their question would answer your question.

    Right here Hifi

    http://www.duhc.org/page/november-2010-candidate-survey

  180. Plain Jane
    October 15, 2010 at 7:33 pm | #180

    She was more than a maid; more like a nanny – personal assistant – maid, sort of a jill-of-all-trades in the Whitman household, “almost family.”

  181. October 15, 2010 at 7:54 pm | #181

    If she was hired through an agency then she got some sub-set of that $23/hr, possibly less than half that amount.

    “Almost family”. Right. Means “We treated her like dirt.”

  182. Anonymous
    October 15, 2010 at 8:37 pm | #182

    Private housekeepers in Humboldt County charge $12-25 an hour.

  183. Plain Jane
    October 15, 2010 at 8:39 pm | #183

    and worth every penny.

  184. “HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE”
    October 15, 2010 at 8:45 pm | #184

    Unamed @ 2: 51 pm & 3:02 pm,

    makes total sense. I call it forced economics – fascist in design which, as you say, creates higher costs.

    JL

  185. “HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE”
    October 15, 2010 at 8:57 pm | #185

    PJ @ 4:18,

    problem is unionization is a pyramid scheme too. Sorry, but it’s true.

    JL

  186. October 16, 2010 at 8:09 am | #186

    I call bullshit on that $23 hr. Prove it. Why would someone who has made millions on cut-throat business practice, pay someone three times what she had to? Hush money? Doubt it.

  187. Mitch
  188. Barry
    October 16, 2010 at 9:08 am | #188

    Plain Jane’s got a housekeeper, is able to retire and relocate when she pleases. Sweet situation. Congratulations. Not so plain afterall…

  189. High Finance
    October 16, 2010 at 9:17 am | #189

    FoxStudio 7.54pm. That is not how employment agencies work for permanent employees. The agency charges a one time fee, normally equal to the first month wages. Only for TEMPORARY workers does the agency charge a fee per hour.

    Annoymous 8.37pm. You cannot be serious. Full time maids in Humboldt county are lucky to get $10 per hour.

  190. Plain Jane
    October 16, 2010 at 9:43 am | #190

    Most maids in Humboldt County aren’t full time because most people can’t afford a full time maid. I personally know people who charge $20 to $30 an hour for one day a week cleaning, they don’t take care of kids, they don’t run errands and they have a waiting list for clients. Demeaning people who clean professionally shows what an elitist snob HiFi is.

  191. Plain Jane
    October 16, 2010 at 9:45 am | #191

    How many people could there possibly be in Humboldt County who even NEED a full time maid?

  192. “HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE”
    October 16, 2010 at 9:46 am | #192

    Actually HiFi,

    we citizens are mostly all maids required to clean-up the messes of our elected officials because it is we the over-populating voters (a majority anyways) who continue to create the mess that only maids are willing to clean up.

    Gotta have true blue maids though, no red.

    JL

  193. “HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE”
    October 16, 2010 at 9:48 am | #193

    People who hire maids are mostly TAWDRY! OOOOOH, I dona wana toucha thata.

    JL

  194. High Finance
    October 16, 2010 at 10:49 am | #194

    Those $20 or $30 per hour maids, Plain Jane, are self employed people who are responsible for their own overhead and travel time. They are also responsible for their own Self Employment taxes. They don’t net anywhere near $20 per hour.

    Of course they charge more.

  195. Not A Native
    October 16, 2010 at 11:27 am | #195

    Well, even Whitman didn’t need a full time housekeeper, or at least she didn’t want to pay $23 and hour for a full time housekeeper. According to her statement, Diaz was paid for 15 hours($345) a week(no benefits), but actually worked longer and ran errands without being compensated. We don’t know if Diaz had other work during that time or how her housekeeping needs were met.

    Essentially, Whitman decided she was paying a “flat rate” for all the household help she needed. Kinda like ‘paying’ a slave room, board, and clothes while receiving all their labor.

  196. 06em
    October 16, 2010 at 11:54 am | #196

    Since this thread is thoroughly off topic and in the ditch anyway:

    Here’s a LTE about Meg Whitman’s maid that the San Jose Mercury News titled How to Stand by Your Nanny

    In response to the letter from Margie Fraiser (Letters, Oct. 10), I will tell you what I would have done differently — what I did. I hired a nanny through the same agency as Meg Whitman. My nanny presented a Social Security card and California driver’s license. Six years later, I learned that my nanny was here illegally. We stood by her. We appeared in court on her behalf and, when she was able to obtain the right to work in the United States legally, we rehired her. That’s how you treat someone who is “like a member of the family.” Whether Meg Whitman learned that her housekeeper was here illegally in 2003 or 2009, couldn’t she have shown some compassion for the woman?

    Shawn Lampron

    Los Altos

    No, Shawn, she couldn’t show compassion because she’s running as a Republican.

  197. High Finance
    October 16, 2010 at 1:08 pm | #197

    How much “compassion” did Osprey show up above O6em?

    Check Oct 13th, 10.39pm.

    Don’t pretend to me that Democrats are more pure, compassionate & nobel than Republicans.

  198. the reasonable anonymous
    October 16, 2010 at 1:20 pm | #198

    Another way to look at it is that she’s a Republican because she lacks compassion.

  199. the reasonable anonymous
    October 16, 2010 at 1:22 pm | #199

    More pure and noble? Unfortunately, probably not. But yes, Democrats do tend to be more compassionate, on average, than Repbulicans, at least in my experience.

  200. Not A Native
    October 16, 2010 at 1:43 pm | #200

    Gee HiFi, merely expressing an opinion in a colloquial way about the statements made in the forum seems to bother you. And you’d better check the meaning of the word compassionate too. It has to do with empathy for another’s suffering. Bass & Co. don’t seem to be experiencing political suffering. In fact, Bass and Co. are inflicting political suffering through their aspersions and innuendos.

    But what really chaps your hide HiFi is that Dems claim the moral high ground and are generally perceived to be the party that cares about people’s personal welfare more than material wealth. So the Reps try to finesse the question by adding the term ‘compassionate’ in front of ‘conservative’, because conservatives are well known to not be compassionate. Just sayin’

    As far as Dems. claiming they’re pure and nobel(sic), they don’t. But its your arrogance that anyone who disagrees with you can’t be more moral than you.

  201. Anonymous
    October 16, 2010 at 1:47 pm | #201

    Just curious Where did that photo of Marks come from? The version I saw at the HCDCC meeting had long hair down over his shoulders.

  202. October 16, 2010 at 6:45 pm | #202

    1:47pm Pulled back in pony tail. I grow my hair long enough to send to locks for love and then cut it all the way down and grow it over. Been doing that for years. The people that know me, know this.

  203. Anonymous
    October 16, 2010 at 8:26 pm | #203

    So how many MAIDS do you know that are paid $23 per hour??

    Pssht.

    Average salary for a maid in 94027: $33,000

    It wasn’t like she was polishing her rims with armor all quicksilver on $23/hr in Atherton, CA. Atherton is 85% white, 10% Asian, 4% Latino. Guess what that means. It has a few black folks living there. Willie Mays, Jerry Rice.

    How many “MAIDs” in Atherton for rich ass CEOs don’t make $23/hr?

    Bullshit. She racist but you boughetto as hell talking shit about cleaning ladies while you living in thug ass Eutweaka instead of Atherton.

  204. Mr. Nice
    October 16, 2010 at 8:36 pm | #204

    I do realize she made $5 more than the average maid but she was prolly a big ass house.

    Zoom on Meg Whitman’s house. Giant as fuck. Clean ass tennis court and shit.

    And Marks is cool y’all shouldn’t hate on him. He will get more votes for his ideas than some committee status.

  205. Mr. Nice
    October 16, 2010 at 8:39 pm | #205

    That link was fucked up

    Meg Whitman’s house

  206. Lets keep it clean
    October 17, 2010 at 12:27 pm | #206

    Richard Marks is not evil. You should not hate someone for bad judgment. He has paid a high price for this with lost credibility.

  207. October 17, 2010 at 4:07 pm | #207

    ERIC KIRK, respectfully speaking, I think your distinction is much ado about little:

    “The mailers claim the candidates are supported by Democrats, despite the Central Committee’s endorsement of opposing candidates.

    Supported by Democrats, or the Democratic Party? I think the distinction has to be made.”

    The Marks’ and Bass’ mailers feign and are woefully deceptive!

    From a previous HUMBOLDT HERALD posting, for example:

    “Marks’ double-dipping has been a curious spectacle for some time. In June, he accused Supervisor Bonnie Neely of being a Democrat in Name Only, while his candidate, Virginia Bass, attended the teabaggin’ Carly Fiorina meeting with an exclusive group of local Republicans.”

    How can a labor organizer support Republicans Bass, Fiorina, and nut-job Tea-Baggers?!

    And did Marks keep his promise of bringing “JOBS! JOBS! JOBS!” to Humboldt County last time he was elected, or was he just mouthing usual conventional code words? Like short-sighted Whitman, betraying the “Unethical Egotism” inherent in her investor-class warfare plank of eliminating the 1.25% – 9.55% State capital gains tax! Just whom do these “Snakes in Suits and Snakes in Dresses” think they are trying to kid, “When Sociopaths Go to Work”!?! [Emeritus Professor Paul Babiak and Dr. Robert D. Hare, Industrial Psychologist, 2007.]

    LET’S KEEP IT CLEAN SAYS:

    “You should not hate someone for bad judgment. He [Marks] has paid a high price for this with lost credibility.”

    You got that right!! So Marks BETRAYED WE THE PEOPLE and his touted ethical standards?! How disappointing!!

    And to think I shook his hand!! — and worked for him twice in the past!!

    If Bass’ political icons are her Republican dad and VOODOO economist Reagan, she clearly exposed her unethical feigning.

    Bass’ feigning and the debates have surely taken a toll on her tortured face understandably. She is clearly unprepared to be a Supervisor of Humboldt County. And on August 30th, Bass actually said on KHSU’s “Through the Eyes of Women” that she “supports a SMALL WALMART in Fortuna”!??! The kind of small WALMART WALMART is planning on pushing through in The City and Oakland.

    Didn’t the voters convincingly reject a WALMART in Humboldt County years ago! Clearly, Bass — whom I found to be, it is true, a quite congenial mayor (except for her recent berating of respectful Councilwoman Linda Atkins relative to the Tyson/Historical Museum criticism and flap)— does not represent the majority of voters of Humboldt County.

    In more ways than one, Bass is reactionary, on the wrong side of socio-economic progress and history, and, one must add, her own generation?! How sad!!

    Well-experienced Supervisor Bonnie Neely, on the other hand, strikes me as an exceedingly competent PhD type of individual, who is articulate, well-informed, and able to focus and concentrate as if she were a PhD graduate.

    Also, ERIC KIRK, (I like Virgina; certainly We all do), but WE THE PEOPLE are glad that you are “backing Bonnie,” as you astutely state!!

    Let’s indeed keep those sociopathic Conservative Corporatist Politicos out of elective office for the prosperity of WE THE PEOPLE!!

  208. High Finance
    October 19, 2010 at 11:53 am | #208

    Power to the people comrades !! Storm the Bastile, overthrow the capitilist pigs, down with the rich!!

    Sorry, couldn’t help myself after reading your rant.

    You’re so early last century.

  209. Not A Native
    October 19, 2010 at 12:26 pm | #209

    HiFi dunno about your twisted conflating of the histories of France and Russia.

    But you should visit a criminal court, watching and listening carefully when the judge asks “Who is representing the people?” and notice who responds. Surprise, it won’t be any of the folks you seem to believe it should be. You may learn something about what being a USA patriot is about(hint: it isn’t about capitalism).

  210. October 19, 2010 at 1:38 pm | #210

    “High Finance says:
    October 19, 2010 at 11:53 am

    “Power to the people comrades !! Storm the Bastile, overthrow the capitilist pigs, down with the rich!!

    Sorry, couldn’t help myself after reading your rant.

    You’re so early last century.”

    I regret to say, your sarcastic clap-trap is not even worthy of comment.

    Please see QUICK NOTES, Friend.

  211. October 19, 2010 at 3:00 pm | #211

    95.
    asb2525 says:
    October 19, 2010 at 2:58 pm

    434.
    asb2525 says:
    October 19, 2010 at 1:43 pm

    SMOKEMASTER, with infinite respect, please allow me to make some observations and offer a recommendation to you.

    1. Forego utilizing ad hominem attacks; instead provide well-reasoned arguments: BECAUSE SUMMARILY DISMISSING and calling well-reasoned analyses “jumbled ramblings” ― WITHOUT providing thoughtful discussion of your own ― is indicative of closed-mindedness.

    2. I am a PARANOID schizophrenic. Therefore, as I said, you should NEVER TAKE ANYTHING I WRITE PERSONALLY. BECAUSE GENERALIZED ANALYSES ARE NOT PERSONAL, STEREOTYPICAL ATTACKS on you, or any other reader.

    3. But now, I do want to offer to you some personal recommendations.

    First, I want to be honest with you, SMOKEMASTER ― I am always honest, Sir.

    When I said:

    You have “A heart full of simple emotions and a head full of equally simple ideas” [Hofstader], I was making an off-the-racket-ball-wall remark ― an intuitive response ― BECAUSE I never read anything you have written, other than the statement:

    “ SMOKEMASTER: I HATE to say it but asb2525 may be worse .“ [Emphasis added.]

    Please let met de-construct the statement-to-response reaction, SMOKEMASTER.

    (a)
    SMOKE = BLACK.
    MASTER = SLAVEHOLDER.

    Therefore, SMOKEMASTER connotes racism.

    (b) Starting the FIRST SENTENCE (or any sentence, for that matter) with “I HATE . . .” is counter to your, my, and the ethical and moral precepts of the liberal Democratic Party and progressive Green Party.

    Indeed, just one of the bumper stickers I obtained at Democratic Party Headquarters and distribute free-of-charge is, “HATE IS NEVER A PART OF FAMILY VALUES!”

    To summarize, Friend, I suggest that you utilize a better connotative tag or nom de plume.

    Also, I accord with ERIC KIRK’S recommendation:

    “Eric Kirk says: [Gallegos/Jackson topic]:
    October 18, 2010 at 11:37 pm

    “[...] you could simply disregard the issue entirely and focus on [the vitally important] other issues of the campaign.” [Brackets added.]

    In this context, WE should focus on substance, not on process.

    Finally, Sir, [I trust I can refrain from calling you “SMOKEMASTER”], I want to repeat what I said earlier, and which I truly mean, BECAUSE I am ALWAYS truthful, Friend:

    I trust that these, and future, words and analyses will be received with the same sincere motivational intentionality with which they are intended.

    Thank you and respectfully yours, Friend.

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