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Poop, pee and how not to respond to reporters

There’s some shit going down with the Occupy Eureka encampment, and US Bank on 5th Street allegedly found some in their doorway, too.

That’s what Eureka Police apparently said in a press release this morning. So KIEM TV news reporters went to the camp at the courthouse to ask protestors about it. Reporter Betsy Lambert seemed to take EPD’s allegation that the poop came from someone at Occupy Eureka at face value, and asked people repeatedly “Did you poop and pee on the bank?”

One man said he didn’t know anything about it but made the point that the banks poop and pee on us (the 99%) every day.

Lambert and her camerawoman then walked through the pathways between tents to ask others “did you poop and pee on the bank?” There they encountered a gentleman who said he had “no comment,” who then apparently grabbed the camera, the camerawoman, or both while saying “get that fucking camera out of my face.”

The funny thing is the camera wasn’t in his face, and in fact you don’t see his face until after the incident occurred. You might recognize his face from an earlier story on the Herald.

KIEM posted the raw footage which starts after the poop and pee questions were already flying and continues through the incident. The camera (or camerawoman) appears to get jostled while Lambert yells “Hey, that is assault!”

Here’s some advice: If you don’t want to be caught on camera, stay away from the person with the camera. And don’t grab them. Duh.

Update below.

UPDATE: Press Release from Occupy Eureka.

OCCUPY EUREKA DEMONSTRATORS ATTACKED BY LOCAL NBC AFFILIATE

Contact: Occupy Eureka, occupyeureka@gmail.com

Eureka, CA: This morning, Friday November 4, 2011, two reporters from KIEM News Channel 3 accosted members of Occupy Eureka on the lawn of the Humboldt County Courthouse. The Occupy Eureka demonstration is one of 1500 world wide that have sprouted up since September 17 in rebellion against corporate control and protesting the fact that 1% of the people have a hugely disproportionate amount of wealth and power over the 99% in our society.

The Channel 3 reporters, Betsy Lambert and Kelly May, aggressively entered the demonstration area, questioning participants about an incident, unrelated to Occupy Eureka. The reporters shoved cameras into peoples’ faces, arguably assaulting the demonstrators, then appeared frustrated when no one present had information about the incident. Ms. Lambert and Ms. May then proceeded to force their way into peoples’ tents, camera first. The reporters then called the Eureka Police, complaining that a man in a tent pushed their camera. Later, Ms. Lambert posted on Facebook that an Occupy Eureka demonstrator had “pushed” her cohort, a claim that was then repeated by the Eureka Police in a press release.

On the scene, Ms. Lambert, known locally for being aggressive and inappropriate in her attempts to create a story, spoke to Eureka police, and attempted to block onlookers from filming. Nonetheless, she was overheard telling officers, “When are you going to evict these people? Twenty-five percent of the population wants them out.” Just two days ago, Ms. May aired a story entitled, “Occupy Eureka: When Will The Arrests Begin?” The biased title seems to promote police action against demonstrators.

The KIEM Channel 3 reporters were aggressive, confrontational and unprofessional. They clearly came with a preconceived motive to discredit Occupy Eureka and distract from the issues raised by the non-violent demonstration which receives popular support locally and nationally. Media bias is a prevalent issue not only for the Occupy Wall Street movement, but also for many movements demanding social justice and opposing corporate dominance and militarization. “We at Occupy Eureka are confident that the community will see through the media bias, and that this incident will reinforce support for this movement.” says participant Sarah Jones.

  1. November 4, 2011 at 7:41 pm

    KMUD had a good report on this tonight, which you can hear in their archives.

    EPD Chief Murl Harpham was interviewed. Why do they let him talk to the media? Why would anyone believe an EPD press release after listening to a Chief that is so admittedly ignorant about current events in his town?

    According to Murl, there is some protest or something going on with the banks tomorrow (Bank Transfer Day) but he just doesn’t know what it is. He said he heard about it from “Move Over dot com.”

  2. Anonymous
    November 4, 2011 at 7:49 pm

    Those poor, sad guys are not good representatives of the movement. Too bad they were shown. They do look like the type not to own a bathroom, but it’s unfair to stereotype, right?

  3. anonymous
    November 4, 2011 at 8:01 pm

    If critics really gave two licks what went on around their own town…they’d know that guy is out there for the people, literally helping them as he can. He’s one of Old Town’s real good guys, true to form.

  4. Anonymous
    November 4, 2011 at 8:01 pm

    As long as Humboldt’s occupy actions are heavy on homeless people in on it for the quasi-legal camping, it won’t be a mainstream movement.

  5. November 4, 2011 at 8:03 pm

    Sharing this:

    https://www.facebook.com/#!/TimesStandard/posts/10150364396849081

    Message from Occupy Humboldt on recent Eureka issues

    To whom it may concern:

    Occupy Humboldt would like to formally declare that we stand in solidarity with all Occupiers around the world, especially Occupy Eureka and Occupy Arcata. Occupy movement is a nonviolent non-exclusionary forum for open dialogue within the community. Any other actions, alleged or otherwise are not aligned with the spirit of this movement.

    We hope to unify our global community, but we would like to distance ourselves from stereotypes of violence. Recently Occupiers in Eureka have been accused of bad habits and destructive behaviors. We love our brothers and sisters, we are a different chapter at a different site and do not support the bad habits and violent behaviors that are happening within our communities. Occupy Humboldt is an inclusive environment and welcomes all.

    While Occupy Humboldt represents the 99 percent, it does not condone in the recent accusations and alleged incidents that occurred at Occupy Eureka. Occupy Humboldt has peacefully dealt with issues and is living as a drug, alcohol and violence free site. We would like to draw a distinction between our peaceful actions and the recent actions that have disgraced our movement.

    We hope to distinguish ourselves and garner more community support as our movement proceeds.

    As a side note, Occupy Humboldt would like to give thanks to the Wiyot Tribe for the land we are currently occupying and a thank you to the Humboldt State University for their cooperation.

  6. anonymous
    November 4, 2011 at 8:13 pm

    damn straight. Shame on you who lose sight of what people are sitting in your own downtown plain as day peacefully protesting..to instead shout about petty daily crimes that never get this kind of attention, let alone glorified context.

    “Report all milk thieves, they are members of the Resistance.”

    Shit talking Loooozzzzerzzzz….

  7. Decline To State
    November 4, 2011 at 8:30 pm

    A movement without leadership or a distinct agenda is destined to fail, no matter how sympathetic we are.

  8. Anonymous
    November 4, 2011 at 8:35 pm

    The sanctimonious letter from Occupy Humboldt makes me want to puke!

  9. Null
    November 4, 2011 at 9:02 pm

    It’s on the Times Standard site it could be a fake. There is no proof of who sent it to them. TS is a right wing rag owned by the 1% and they are getting worried.

    NBC is owned by GE. More 1% bs. We have to pay attention from now on the lies and disinformation and provocations will be getting more intense. Don’t jump to conclusions about your brothers and sisters they want to divide us.

  10. November 4, 2011 at 9:12 pm

    Decline to State: “A movement without leadership or a distinct agenda is destined to fail, no matter how sympathetic we are.”

    STILL CLUELESS…

    “Leadership” and “distinct agenda” assumes there is someone to talk to that will listen – there is NOT.

  11. November 4, 2011 at 9:19 pm

    This just in: a press release from Occupy Eureka.

    OCCUPY EUREKA DEMONSTRATORS ATTACKED BY LOCAL NBC AFFILIATE

    Contact: Occupy Eureka, occupyeureka@gmail.com

    Eureka, CA: This morning, Friday November 4, 2011, two reporters from KIEM News Channel 3 accosted members of Occupy Eureka on the lawn of the Humboldt County Courthouse. The Occupy Eureka demonstration is one of 1500 world wide that have sprouted up since September 17 in rebellion against corporate control and protesting the fact that 1% of the people have a hugely disproportionate amount of wealth and power over the 99% in our society.

    The Channel 3 reporters, Betsy Lambert and Kelly May, aggressively entered the demonstration area, questioning participants about an incident, unrelated to Occupy Eureka. The reporters shoved cameras into peoples’ faces, arguably assaulting the demonstrators, then appeared frustrated when no one present had information about the incident. Ms. Lambert and Ms. May then proceeded to force their way into peoples’ tents, camera first. The reporters then called the Eureka Police, complaining that a man in a tent pushed their camera. Later, Ms. Lambert posted on Facebook that an Occupy Eureka demonstrator had “pushed” her cohort, a claim that was then repeated by the Eureka Police in a press release.

    On the scene, Ms. Lambert, known locally for being aggressive and inappropriate in her attempts to create a story, spoke to Eureka police, and attempted to block onlookers from filming. Nonetheless, she was overheard telling officers, “When are you going to evict these people? Twenty-five of the population wants them out.” Just two days ago, Ms. May aired a story entitled, “Occupy Eureka: When Will The Arrests Begin?” The biased title seems to promote police action against demonstrators.

    The KIEM Channel 3 reporters were aggressive, confrontational and unprofessional. They clearly came with a preconceived motive to discredit Occupy Eureka and distract from the issues raised by the non-violent demonstration which receives popular support locally and nationally. Media bias is a prevalent issue not only for the Occupy Wall Street movement, but also for many movements demanding social justice and opposing corporate dominance and militarization. “We at Occupy Eureka are confident that the community will see through the media bias, and that this incident will reinforce support for this movement.” says participant Sarah Jones.

  12. Anonymous
    November 4, 2011 at 9:52 pm

    two female reporter attack the clowns at the occupy Eureka site! ????

    ha ha haha , what losers

  13. Andrew Bird
    November 4, 2011 at 10:07 pm

    Seriously Occupy Eureka – attacked by Betsy Lambert and Kelly May? I support your goals, but come on.

  14. Anonymous
    November 4, 2011 at 10:14 pm

    KIEM released the raw video, and it completely destroys the claims of an attack that were made in the Occupy Eureka press release. How embarrassing. KIEM is guilty of harboring a bunch of inexperienced TV news reporters, but nothing more.

  15. Null
    November 4, 2011 at 10:17 pm

    Yes…..more.

    reporters with a right wing tory agenda.

  16. Goldie
    November 4, 2011 at 10:21 pm

    Are we ready for reality TV? While Merl is getting his news from Move Over dot Com our local news crew attack the Occupee Eureka grassy null and it seems that someone is making unwanted deposits at the bank to which they are paying much interest.

  17. Pitchfork
    November 4, 2011 at 10:25 pm

    “known locally for being aggressive and inappropriate in her attempts to create a story” that sounds like Kim Starr

  18. Dadoo RonRon
    November 4, 2011 at 10:25 pm

    Whats the name of Merls blog? Mayberry EPD?

  19. Anonymous
    November 4, 2011 at 10:26 pm

    These guys are opportunistic demonstrators. The real deal has a good message and these type ruin it. You know they are the ones using the bank steps as a bathroom.

  20. November 4, 2011 at 10:32 pm

    Wham-bam Lambert busting into tents? she needs to move to a BIGGER market…

  21. Null
    November 4, 2011 at 10:32 pm

    Maybe the county could put a porta pottie out there. Maybe the city could put a porta pottie out there. Maybe the bank could put a porta pottie out there. Maybe the Chamber of Commerce could put a porta potty out there. Maybe some church could put a porta pottie out there.

    Occupy could put it out there too but no one will give them permission.

  22. Anonymous
    November 4, 2011 at 10:33 pm

    I’m having withdrawal symptoms.

  23. Anonymous
    November 4, 2011 at 10:37 pm

    remember to use rubber gloves for your bank transfer tomorrow.

  24. November 4, 2011 at 10:37 pm

    “known locally for being aggressive and inappropriate in her attempts to create a story” that sounds like Kim Starr

    She appears to be the author of the press release.

  25. Ed
    November 4, 2011 at 10:39 pm

    Heraldo, tell the truth. Did you poop and pee on the bank?

  26. November 4, 2011 at 10:49 pm

    Ed, if I say I don’t know anything about it you will accuse me of not answering your question.

  27. Ed
    November 4, 2011 at 10:51 pm

    I knew it.

  28. Anonymous
    November 4, 2011 at 10:51 pm

    Maybe Linda Atkins should keep her mouth shut?

    Maybe she should be recalled?

  29. November 5, 2011 at 2:22 am

    More and more I’m starting to question whether these local OWS folk are for real. None of the protestors in any of the other cities have assaulted the media — they embrace the media (it’s the police who assault people with cameras). Also, in all the other cities OWS folk have their own cameras, and cell phones and computers etc. There doesn’t seem to be a tech presence here like there is everywhere else. Why don’t they want to be on camera? What are they hiding? Who are they really working for? Are they trying to discredit the movement?

  30. Anonymous
    November 5, 2011 at 2:23 am

    I don’t know her to be agggressive or inappropriate, nor even heard about it until now?!

  31. Mary Jane Stewart
    November 5, 2011 at 6:04 am

    Eureka suffers not only from toxic waste from the lumber industry, but also the blood soaked ground of the Indian Island Massacre. Too many are afraid of the powers that be-independent thought may still be a precious commodity

  32. Ponder z
    November 5, 2011 at 6:47 am

    Wow, assault, poop, peee. The unkempt appearance of these punks makes them look guilty on all charges. Someone posted the assault was fake. But the camera was clearly jolted. I could almost smell the filth through the leans. Long term encampment will leave a stench of human waste throughout the whole area. Of course they DID it.

  33. November 5, 2011 at 7:11 am

    Whats the name of Merls blog?

    His name is actually spelled Murl.

  34. Anonymous
    November 5, 2011 at 7:13 am

    “who are they working for?” You’re kidding right?

  35. High Finance
    November 5, 2011 at 7:38 am

    Disgraceful, shameful. Shame on all of you supporting these bums defiling the courthouse lawn and surrounding neighborhood.

    When the hell will the Bd of Supervisors act ?

  36. Anonymous
    November 5, 2011 at 7:43 am

    More and more I’m starting to question whether these local OWS folk are for real. None of the protestors in any of the other cities have assaulted the media

    There’s a reason average everyday people haven’t joined the protests in Arcata and Eureka. The latest news reports give a hint of why. They give off the appearance of people just looking to justify their free camping by co-opting a movement.

  37. November 5, 2011 at 8:27 am

    There’s a reason why Occupy has to deal with homeless and mentally ill folks. It’s because the community has turned a blind eye to these people.

    There are many of us who have advocated for years for the local county and city governments to establish some safe clean camps for homeless people as a solution but we have been stymied at every turn by the local right wingers who control the government.

    Now you have a camp in the middle of a thousand cities.

    Congratulations you got what you wanted.

    have a peaceful day,
    Bill

  38. Mitch
    November 5, 2011 at 8:39 am

    Meanwhile, the Guardian reports a second Iraq vet in intensive care in Oakland after police brutality there.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/nov/04/occupy-oakland-second-veteran-injured

    Sabehgi told the Guardian from hospital he was walking alone along 14th Street in central Oakland – away from the main area of clashes – when he was injured.

    “There was a group of police in front of me,” he told the Guardian from his hospital bed. “They told me to move, but I was like: ‘Move to where?’ There was nowhere to move.

    “Then they lined up in front of me. I was talking to one of them, saying ‘Why are you doing this?’ when one moved forward and hit me in my arm and legs and back with his baton. Then three or four cops tackled me and arrested me.”

    Sabeghi, who left the army in 2007 and now part-owns a small bar-restaurant in El Cerrito, about 10 miles north of Oakland, said he was handcuffed and placed in a police van for three hours before being taken to jail. By the time he got there he was in “unbelievable pain”.

    He said: “My stomach was really hurting, and it got worse to the point where I couldn’t stand up.

    “I was on my hands and knees and crawled over the cell door to call for help.”

    A nurse was called and recommended Sabehgi take a suppository, but he said he “didn’t want to take it”.

    He was allowed to “crawl” to another cell to use the toilet, but said it was clogged.

    “I was vomiting and had diarrhoea,” Sabehgi said. “I just lay there in pain for hours.”

    Sabehgi’s bail was posted in the mid-afternoon, but he said he was unable to leave his cell because of the pain. The cell door was closed, and he remained on the floor until 6pm, when an ambulance was called.

    He was taken to Highland hospital – the same hospital where Olsen was originally taken after being hit in the head by a projectile apparently fired by police.

  39. Rick
    November 5, 2011 at 8:46 am

    I would like to start my own movement, the 83%, a la South Park.
    Yes, I count myself among the 83% of the 99% who actually have to go to work and make money. You see, I have a JOB and can’t hang out at the courthouse all day.

    Stop pretending you have any social morals and just admit you are bums looking for some free food and a place to sleep. While I agree with some of the principals this movement supposedly stands for. It is nothing but wannabe hippies and homeless refuse. MIC CHECK!

  40. Steak n Eggs
    November 5, 2011 at 9:23 am

    Many, including myself, have more in common with the protesters than the big banks (obviously), but the messengers of the 1% turn many people off. It really shouln’t matter what they look like, but it does. Particularily in Humboldt, the masses cannot identify with the same losers that are constantly protesting everything from GMO to Richardson Grove.

    It appears to be the same crowd that is against everything and for nothing except beating their drums at the next protest. The movement’s success/failure is an excersie in sociology. Get the extreme fringe out and away from the cameras and more people will participate.

  41. Mitch
    November 5, 2011 at 9:32 am

    Steak n Eggs,

    That is why events like Bank Transfer Day are so important. If you haven’t already moved your money, please do so. 650,000 people transferred accounts from banks to credit unions last month, as many as opened credit union accounts in all of 2010.

    Also, you might try to get beyond your assumptions about people. While I haven’t been at the protest sites, I have been regularly embarrassed to discover how wrong my assumptions about people often are.

    Whatever you do, don’t think that you are getting accurate information about the Occupy movement from the press, especially TV. I’m sure no conspiracy is involved outside of Fox and its funders, but the press and especially TV are simply hopeless in terms of conveying the reality of what is happening. I don’t understand why, but laziness, a sense of superiority, and herd-think are probably all contributors.

  42. November 5, 2011 at 9:34 am

    Well Steak & Eggs who is stopping you from pitching your tent down there and participating in the General Assembly? You are, as you said, in the 99%. You could voice your opinion and steer the movement in what you think would be a more positive direction.

    have a peaceful day,
    Bill

  43. Mitch
    November 5, 2011 at 9:37 am

    Steak n Eggs just said who, Bill. You can disagree with his answer, but you should at least be able to hear it. It’s the reality for many people.

  44. Mitch
    November 5, 2011 at 9:40 am

    There do need to be parallel groups, independent of the protest sites, that people who are uncomfortable with some of the protesters can affiliate with. That’s not meant to disapprove of any of the protesters, it’s just a choice that organizers need to think about.

    I’m sure there are some in the Tea Party who are uncomfortable with idiot racists spouting off. They, too, would be wise to form parallel groups in which they can feel more comfortable.

    In fact, you might see both parallel groups coming together, at least in my fantasies.

  45. November 5, 2011 at 9:47 am

    No Mitch, what I was saying is that no one is physically or through threat denying Steak and Eggs the opportunity to participate. He is choosing not to be near some people who he finds distasteful.

    That’s his choice. And you just pointed out there is nothing stopping him from starting his own occupy group. He can do his at city hall and like you say maybe one day the two will coalesce.

    have a peaceful day,
    Bill

  46. Milt
    November 5, 2011 at 9:57 am

    Can you believe the shit talkers on this forum? Can you count the resident trolls? Really! How many Archie Bunkers in the house? At least four.

  47. November 5, 2011 at 9:58 am

    Lamert went out looking for trouble and found it, she needs to move on! did you see her posture, hand on hip, did you pee? did you???
    what a “c” word…

    KIEM’s news department sucks right now, she is hiring really lame reporters, look at who is on the news there… really gone down hill since the other tv news departments closed up. just sad.
    better look to public access to form a real news department.

  48. November 5, 2011 at 9:58 am

    I think a lot of non-racist Tea Partiers have already joined the occupy movement. It is not so much a left right thing more like a disgust with corporate fascism movement. I think the younger tea partiers are there in the general assmblies right now making their voices heard. This economic depression does not discriminate between left and right in its victims.

    have a peaceful day,
    Bill

  49. Steak n Eggs
    November 5, 2011 at 10:02 am

    Mitch and Bill…you are both right. All americans need to get past their assumptions about people. However, its tougher than it sounds. Personally, I am ambivalent about the movement. I am not against the 1% rather the policy that allows it. Let the rich get super rich, but without the loop holes, subsidies, and advantages that the 99% don’t have. At a 35% tax rate, we need the rich to get richer. However, alienating the rich and blaming them for our recession is a double-edged sword…that is where they are losing me and many other moderates.

  50. Anonymous
    November 5, 2011 at 10:07 am

    This bunch of troublemakers with nothing else to do are a real problem. They have made many a good cause look like it is supported only by dirty freeloaders. I have attended protests in my life and at times left early because of this element.

  51. November 5, 2011 at 10:12 am

    If you want the local news done professionally, then KMUD is really your only choice.
    Everything else is either faked-local by the networks, or as you’ve seen, presented by conceited psychos trying to make a name for themselves so they can join Fox, or some other phony information site.

  52. Mitch
    November 5, 2011 at 10:18 am

    Steak n Eggs,

    The effective tax rate on the richest is less than 20%. I’ve already posted the IRS table showing this, but you can find it at the IRS if you are interested. Nobody needs for the richest to get richer, at least not if you think that will bring in more taxes. The line from Warren Buffett about his secretary paying higher taxes than he does is 100% true.

    Scientific study after scientific study has shown that, once a nation reaches a per capita GDP well below ours, there is zero correlation between per capita GDP and people’s sense of satisfaction or happiness. Being as well off as your neighbor, on the other hand, low income inequality, correlates with personal satisfaction very well. So does a strong social fabric, where people trust their neighbors and stand ready to help out in difficulty. A fair tax system is an indicator of this strong social fabric, and a contributor to it.

    Our society is in the late stages of a sickness. It went from a chronic disease to an acute one around the time Bush started to occupy the oval office and criminals on the Supreme Court became emboldened to issue decisions that smell so obviously bad they even say “don’t rely on this for precedent.”

    In my opinion, S n E, the top of our society is far more decayed and rotted than you appear to think. A little tinkering around the edges to eliminate tax loopholes wouldn’t hurt, and I expect something like that will be used to co-opt some of this rage, but it won’t be the change that Occupy recognizes must take place if America is to be saved.

  53. Milt
    November 5, 2011 at 10:18 am

    hear hear, moviedad. blogs have become troll pits across the board. The psychology is on their side…keep saying the same bullshit over and over and over again, eventually somebody is going to believe it.

    So, howzabout the 99.9% of the protest that’s happening peacefully? Headline about that, please? Can we see some headlines about the response from local powers that be, not about the petty crimes that happen 365 days a year everywhere?

  54. Mitch
    November 5, 2011 at 10:28 am

    My hope for some time has been that a parallel movement called “Occupy Ourselves” would form. Sure enough, the idea has already been out there, and there’s this decent article at the Christian Science Monitor. I disagree with a lot that’s in it, but it’s at least roughly in the same direction.

    http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/Economist-Mom/2011/1027/Occupy-ourselves

    To me, Bank Transfer Day is a start. That could be followed by Car Pool Day, Drive 55 day, Visit a Shelter or Food Bank with Food Day, and on and on. This mess of a system relies on quiet and uninformed consumers, mistakenly confusing the most vulnerable of us with freeloaders.

    Once we show the courage to inform OURSELVES, and the strength to change our behaviors, the system collapses of its own accord.

    Unfortunately, the necessity that we show courage and strength is exactly why the existing system is so powerful. Those are hard, and they are requirements we place on ourselves, not complaints — completely justified complaints — we have with others.

  55. Anonymous
    November 5, 2011 at 10:30 am

    20% is half what many 1%ers pay .

  56. Anonymous
    November 5, 2011 at 10:30 am

    The raw footage link doesn’t work. Heraldo, can you fix it?

  57. Anonymous
    November 5, 2011 at 10:34 am

    If you think things are weird now, just wait until November 19 when the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence show up at the courthouse to join in.

  58. Mitch
    November 5, 2011 at 10:40 am

    Anonymous 10:30,

    The top 400 filers, not the top 1%. Their tax percentage has been reduced by a third since 1990, and is now below 20%.

    As I’ve said, 99%/1% makes a good bumper sticker but doesn’t really capture the statistics. It’s not the top 1%, it’s the top .01%.

    They have an astonishing amount of the country’s wealth and power, and when the press talks about quintiles or the top 1%, they mislead about the true concentration of wealth and power. It’s very easy to lie with statistics, and much of the blow-dried hair on tv is innumerate. 99/1 is close enough.

  59. Steak n Eggs
    November 5, 2011 at 10:47 am

    Hmmm…I don’t think that you are going to save America by imposing a limit on how much one earns. Redirect wealth by eliminating subsidies to the rich and perhaps increase their taxes a bit. Not all of the 99% are that bad off and willing to support anything too extreme….just ain’t gonna happen. Its gonna have to be something reasonable to get the moderates on board. Otherwise, its the rich vs. drum beaters and we all know who wins that game.

  60. November 5, 2011 at 10:53 am

    Yeah I have to admit my couple of visits down there were pretty discouraging. there a lot of folks at Occupy Eureka seemed to not give a care about how they looked to people outside their little clique. I talked to one fellow who intimated that they were dropping off seriously mentally ill people there .Lots of people there seemed to have multiple substance abuse problems. Reminded me a lot of the old camp on South Jetty

    He said that he chosen to be homeless himself that he couldn’t handle living in the house.He also related That there was a lot of stealing and fractiousness going on within the camp. He seemed to think it was the work of a single thief who was doing it to drive people they didn’t like out of the camp.. This guy was nice enough except that seemed vaguely contemptuous of me when I said that i lived in a house and held down two jobs.. Whatever, I’m not content living in a trash heap.
    Most disturbingly he had a rather blase’ attitude about stealing from surrounding businesses He freely admitted that someone jacked the carafe from Starbucks and that they enjoyed using it He also told me some bullshit that laws against littering where just an artificial construct of uptight property owners fretting about property values..I’m not the top one percent but nihilists like this dude definitely don’t speak for me. I told him I’m against litterbugs even though not a property owner I just don’t want to live in a town that looks like a pig sty.

    I was pretty unimpressed Except for one engaging articulate young woman Named Sarah who seemed involved for the right idealistic reasons and to grasp the larger picture very well .
    However, even she seemed pretty much in denial about the significance of crapping on the sidewalk and how disgusting and offensive it is to most people. She just denied it was one of the demonstrators or that it was a big deal
    I believe Sarah’s firsthand account of of what happened with the camera lady. I think that whole business with the Channel 3 news crew and how it was trumped up I don’t think you need a PHD in journalism to know that video cam bum rushing a Wookie like Jumbo is a good idea..
    Betsy Lambert was trying to instigate an incident .
    I’m very supportive of the Occupy movement as a whole but I’m not supportive of shitting in public or stealing or shoving reporters around or other sundry lawlessness. If they want this occupy movement to succeed demonstrators need to win people over to your side . . Instead you are driving away supportive people with this kind of stuff..
    Hate to say it but might have to back Murl on this one. This crew needs to clean up it’s act or have it forcibly cleaned up for them..

  61. Mitch
    November 5, 2011 at 11:38 am

    I haven’t heard anyone suggest a limit on how much one earns.

    Mostly, I hear suggestions that the progressive tax system that existed pre-Reagan be restored, and the loopholes eliminated.

    A progressive tax system pushes in the direction of income equality in the most pain-free manner available. It is always the highest marginal dollar, and therefore the most discretionary, luxury-oriented dollar, that is taxed most highly.

    The “flat tax” ideas are mostly well-funded, well-polished propaganda that sounds good to people who want to avoid looking at numbers. They almost always shift the society towards greater income inequality and almost always redistribute wealth upwards from the lower-middle class to the very tippy-top.

    As for a limit on how much one earns, I don’t feel such a limit should be imposed. But I do feel that concern over earnings beyond a few million a year are a sign of deep dissatisfaction.

    I think of it as similar to morbid obesity. Yes, if you’re starving, your body wants food. You’ll be unhappy until you get enough to keep yourself in decent shape.

    But if your body is lacking in a signalling system that enough-is-enough, or perhaps if there is some other physical problem, you will become morbidly obese given access to enough food. Our society doesn’t have reality shows at which we thrill to the lifestyles of the morbidly obese — we recognize that these are damaged, sad, hurting people. I think we should feel similarly about the Trumps of the world.

    They need our sympathy. Part of that sympathy is tough-love that says after your first ten million or so, your tax rate should be pretty high.

  62. November 5, 2011 at 11:41 am

    You have ZERO expectation of privacy in public, and this demonstration is in fact IN PUBLIC.
    Shoving reporters is unacceptable, they are there to document the events, and have a RIGHT to cover the news.
    A grown man shoving a woman is TOTALLY unaceptable anywhere anytime for any reason.

  63. Luis Roundhouse
    November 5, 2011 at 11:55 am

    mark sailors, did you take a shit in front of a bank? somebody told me you took a shit in front of a bank. did you, mark sailors, take a shit in front of a bank? the public has a right to know! people are saying you took a shit in front of a bank, for chrissake! why did you do that?

  64. tra
    November 5, 2011 at 12:04 pm

    Matt Owens had an interesting Op-Ed in the Times-Standard today. After regurgitating the familiar criticisms of the local Occupy Eureka protesters (they’re dirty, ignorant attention-seekers and/or moochers, etc.), he actually does a pretty good job articulating some of the concrete policy changes that would help adress some of the injustices that spawned the Occupy Wall Street movement:

    Here are some slogans we can get behind. “If You’re Too Big To Fail — You’re Too Big.” Break up the huge financial corporations that have banking, investment banking and insurance companies under the same roof. Don’t allow proprietary trading (Wall Street buying and selling of financial securities for their own account, i.e. gambling) with taxpayer guarantee. No more, “heads I win, tails you lose” with you and I being responsible for their bad bets.

    “Executive Pay For Performance — Not Failure.” Most of us are frustrated by a corporate system that rewards failure. Think about all the CEOs who ran their companies into the ground, only to be rewarded with $10 million to $100 million golden parachutes (Countrywide, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, Merrill Lynch, Washington Mutual, Bears Sterns, Citigroup, etc., etc.). Tell you what Wall Street, you can hire me to bankrupt your company, pay me a $10 million exit package and my pride will somehow survive.

    ”Tax the Wealthy, Not Tax Breaks.” Warren Buffet recently wrote an Op-Ed (now referred to as the “Buffet Rule”) where he stated how most of the wealthy earn their money through “carry interest” such as dividends/interest, capital gains and net real estate income, which is taxed at a lower 15 percent rate than what you and I pay from our W-2 job income. The wealthy (those making over $1 million) should pay a higher tax rate. They can afford to.

    http://www.times-standard.com/guest_opinion/ci_19263263

    The rest of his Op-Ed was pretty worthless, but he did do a nice job of summing up those three issues.

  65. yep
    November 5, 2011 at 12:19 pm

    I would ad to tra’s list, give the people a true majority rules vote. Do away with the electoral college scam once and for all. No more corporate personhood, in business or government…1 person = 1 vote. Any voice is as valuable as any other.

  66. janelle
    November 5, 2011 at 12:22 pm

    “Once we show the courage to inform OURSELVES, and the strength to change our behaviors, the system collapses of its own accord.”

    “Otherwise, its the rich vs. drum beaters and we all know who wins that game.”

    The most difficult, most courageous change is waking up to the reality that despite everything you’ve seen, read, heard, hoped, and worked for, you have more in common with the drum beaters.

    Of course there are differences. Some drum beaters know first hand what it feels like to be a looser in a society that hates a looser above all else. Some believe that the system will not collapse, it will not even change, of its own accord. And some… I do not know, the possibilities are endless. And so are the commonalities.

    And please, understand that I think all dichotomies are false; there are members of the rich who understand the power they have and use it responsibly. If perchance I have the opportunity to beat a drum it will be to give them courage for they truly are courageous.

  67. Mitch
    November 5, 2011 at 12:26 pm

    Here’s the raw video of the harassment Channel 3 calls newsgathering: http://kiem-tv.com/?q=node%2F2490

    I’d encourage them to broadcast it unedited.

    The woman representing Channel 3 is the least appealing media person I’ve seen in ages, and that is saying A LOT. I hope she gets sued by the people she was harassing.

    Just because we’re the smallest market in America, do we really have to get rude and disgusting incompetents harassing people in hopes of creating their own version of a story? Disgusting. Seriously. I wouldn’t have believed it if it wasn’t on tape, so I guess I have to thank KIEM for not suppressing it.

  68. joeschmo
    November 5, 2011 at 12:28 pm

    Betsy and Kelly = Belly.

  69. janelle
    November 5, 2011 at 12:35 pm

    Mitch (10:28), Thanks for the link.

    For those staying dry today, please enjoy the wonderful creativity at– http://www.csmonitor.com/CSM-Photo-Galleries/In-Pictures/Best-signs-of-Occupy-Wall-Street-protests

  70. Plain Jane
    November 5, 2011 at 12:41 pm

    Re Matt Owen’s op ed: Addressing only the current abuses of oligarchy without destroying it just kicks the can down the road. Revoking the ability of special interests to buy legislators is the only way to destroy it without violence. As increasing numbers of the electorate are enraged over the complete disregard their majority opinions are given in Washington, violence becomes more inevitable. If corporate control further consolidates, which is their clear objective, it will only become more difficult to dislodge them from power. If not now, when?

  71. jr
    November 5, 2011 at 12:44 pm

    All I can say is that is must have been a slow news day at KIEM. Edward R. Murrow must be turning in his grave.

  72. The Big Picture
    November 5, 2011 at 12:46 pm

    Last week, former Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens said the American people would understand the Citizens United ruling better if the presidential debates allowed candidates to purchase longer response-times. (Charlie Rose).

  73. Poopgate
    November 5, 2011 at 12:48 pm

    Scandalous.

  74. Rep
    November 5, 2011 at 12:48 pm

    More than a slow news day. These “reporters” created their own story. The Chamber of Commerce will be giving them an award.

  75. Mitch
    November 5, 2011 at 12:49 pm

    When Michael Moore tries to pull stunts like Channel 3, he’s going up against people who have security guards. His wet dream is getting a security guard to do something stupid. At least his heart is in the right place.

    That person from Channel 3 was walking up to people and shouting in their faces. She was flipping open tent doors and shoving microphones in the faces of people who’d been in the tents and didn’t have any reason to expect a mike in their face. She wasn’t listening to their responses in the slightest, because she had no interest in legitimate responses. It is completely obvious she’d already scripted her story, and needed to get somebody to react.

    The FBI used to have to pay informants and agitators. Now, the mainstream media does that job for free. If the media were objective, that woman would be out of a job, today.

  76. Rep
    November 5, 2011 at 12:50 pm

    They aren’t HSU jounalism graduates are they? Oh my!

  77. Mitch
    November 5, 2011 at 12:54 pm

    Thanks, The Big Picture, for my laugh/cry of the day:

    “Last week, former Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens said the American people would understand the Citizens United ruling better if the presidential debates allowed candidates to purchase longer response-times. (Charlie Rose).”

  78. Mitch
    November 5, 2011 at 12:57 pm

    Rep,

    Generally, the TV stations get the graduates from the blow-dry schools all over the nation. New York and LA get the prettiest or handsomest or (if they care) the best reporters. Then come the middle cities. Then the small cities. The kids at the bottom of the blow-dry school, or the ones with deformities, have to go to the smallest, lowest-population markets. They think it’s beneath them, and hate the places, treating them only as “bottom stairs” which they can climb.

    I don’t know that it’s true in this case. Maybe she went to HSU. If so, she has a good case for demanding her money back.

  79. Plain Jane
    November 5, 2011 at 1:01 pm

    She’s probably already sent that video to Fox as her resume. She’s the most obnoxious reporter I’ve ever seen.

  80. November 5, 2011 at 1:14 pm

    If the raw footage link doesn’t work try it in another web browser. I couldn’t get it to work in Firefox but could in Safari.

  81. Mitch
    November 5, 2011 at 1:21 pm

    The pic at the top of your story is a jpeg, not a clip, Heraldo. People can go to the link at Nov 5 12:26 if they want to see the objective media at work.

  82. High Finance
    November 5, 2011 at 1:52 pm

    Oh dear ! Those poor protestors were harrassed by that mean viscious lady reporter.

    And a big FU to those posters commenting on her looks or weight.

  83. Mitch
    November 5, 2011 at 2:03 pm

    I count one such comment, Hi Fi. But it’s wonderful to see how chivalrous you are. I’ll bet you even think women should make more like 90% of what men do, you knight, you.

  84. Justice Beaver
    November 5, 2011 at 2:03 pm

    So, it’s the female reporters’ fault? Because they work at a Eureka TV station? Because media expert Mitch and fox hater plain jane don’t like them? That makes it OK to push them? Pathetic.

  85. Rick Khamsi
    November 5, 2011 at 2:06 pm

    To be clear: I am not the “Rick” who posted a message on November 5, 2011 at 8:46 am.

  86. Mitch
    November 5, 2011 at 2:08 pm

    Exactly 2:03. You’ve got it exactly. Meet Hi Fi. You’ll bond over logic sessions.

  87. jr
    November 5, 2011 at 2:37 pm

    Dick DeWitt was a good reporter for KVIQ in the late 60s. But I haven’t had a T.V. since 1985 so I cannot comment on the reporters that have graced our airwaves since then.

  88. What Now
    November 5, 2011 at 2:55 pm

    From Heraldo:

    “EPD Chief Murl Harpham was interviewed. Why do they let him talk to the media? Why would anyone believe an EPD press release after listening to a Chief that is so admittedly ignorant about current events in his town?

    “According to Murl, there is some protest or something going on with the banks tomorrow (Bank Transfer Day) but he just doesn’t know what it is. He said he heard about it from “Move Over dot com.”

    Heraldo, Murl was non compis mentis years before there could have been ANY concern about his possibly having age related dementia.
    Any day that murl can make it outof the house with out wetting himself or wearing his undershorts on his head is a VERY good day for Murl.

  89. tra
    November 5, 2011 at 3:20 pm

    That’s just asinine, “What Now.” There are plenty of legitimate reasons to be critical of Murl and his attitude, but senility isn’t one of them.

  90. Zoo Lover
    November 5, 2011 at 3:30 pm

    You are so right Tra, What Now was being a bit harsh.

    But at least they could take Murl’s bullet away from him when he leaves the station.

  91. anonymous
    November 5, 2011 at 3:36 pm

    the link

  92. High Finance
    November 5, 2011 at 3:50 pm

    Mitch, you need to deal with your prejudices against conservatives. My two highest paid employees are women.

    Get your head out of the 1950′s and try to get educated.

  93. Anonymous
    November 5, 2011 at 4:20 pm

    Mitch and Marley, making statements about personal appearance is not related to this story and just shows personal bias, as well as chauvinism, to me.

  94. Mitch
    November 5, 2011 at 4:36 pm

    Hi Fi,

    Weren’t you ever going to respond to Bill about your business? It’s very hard to take your assertions seriously.

  95. Marley Dolts
    November 5, 2011 at 4:37 pm

    what up dude I am sure that this reporter is smart enough to know that she is not the “butt” of my little joke. Therefore her feelings will not be hurt.

    I am sure that you kinw that too. I can sleep tonight free of chauvinist guilt.

  96. tra
    November 5, 2011 at 4:40 pm

    Thanks for posting the footage, 3:36.

    Did an actual “assault” occur? I can’t tell from the footage. The footage suggests that the camera got “jostled” but it doesn’t show how that happened.

    One thing that IS clear is that this was not exactly a banner day for local TV journalism. I’ve seen some pretty amateurish stuff on our local airwaves over the years, but this one really takes the cake.

    Apparently she thinks she’s Geraldo Rivera, Sally Jesse Raphael, Morton Downey, Jr., and Andrew Brietbart, all rolled up in one — and the really funny part is that she probably thinks that’s a good thing!

  97. John Quill
    November 5, 2011 at 4:53 pm

    If she stuck that camera into someone’s tent without permission she could be charged with trespassing or home invasion. That’s someone’s home, legally speaking.

    Not to mention the homeowner is legally allowed to use force to evict the trespasser if the homeowner believes him or herself to be in danger.

    Isn’t that right?

  98. Anonymous
    November 5, 2011 at 5:08 pm

    “Did you poop and pee on the bank?”
    “Did YOU poop and pee on the bank?”

    Put that camera where you can see right into the guy’s tent.
    “Did YOU poop and pee on the bank?”

    See what people do when you ask them extremely rude questions?
    People object. Some object politely. She ignores them. One objects physically. That offends the lady reporter very very much.
    The intrepid lady reporter stomps off in a huff.

    “We are asking questions!” she shouts!
    She starts to say she will arrest them, then realizes she does not have that power. So she repeats her message.
    “We are asking questions!” “You went too far!”
    “We are asking questions!” “You went too far!”

    Wait just a minute. WHO went too far?

  99. Chisel Head
    November 5, 2011 at 5:11 pm

    She commits the media equivalent of agressive panhandling. She could be arrested in Arcata.

  100. Chisel Head
    November 5, 2011 at 5:13 pm

    Give her a mop and a bucket and a good intersection and she’s got a real future.

  101. Anonymous
    November 5, 2011 at 5:17 pm

    “OCCUPY” ASSAULT RAW VIDEO
    Submitted by Kelly May on Fri, 11/04/2011 – 17:16

    I copied the above straight from News Channel 3…….
    Only 4 minutes of RAW VIDEO is shown at the link.

    Heraldo? Shouldn’t there be 17:16 minutes of RAW VIDEO available at News Channel 3?

    Are they holding out 13 minutes of RAW VIDEO?

  102. tra
    November 5, 2011 at 5:20 pm

    She starts to say she will arrest them, then realizes the does not have that power.

    The moment comes at about 2:12 or 2:13 in the video, when it sounds like she’s saying “I am arresting…” then interrupts herself.

    I also liked this exchange at about 3:00:

    Reporter (with a tone of shrill indignation): “You guys want us to do news on you, we’re doing news.”

    Protester (with a tone of resigned disgust): “THIS is not news, I’m sorry, this is NOT news.”

  103. humboldt turtle
    November 5, 2011 at 5:53 pm

    A ratings dream…

  104. humboldt turtle
    November 5, 2011 at 5:57 pm

    …but no, not news. But at least she has a job, right?

  105. High Finance
    November 5, 2011 at 5:58 pm

    From what Channel 3 reported, Charles Douglas of the Humboldt Sentinal was treated similiar to the other reporters.

    But it looks like he is keeping quiet. Why is that Charles ?

    It is time for these bums to be evicted. Arrest Linda Atkins for obstruction of justice and violating the Brown Act. Then go in & arrest these bums on the our Courthouse lawn.

  106. humboldt turtle
    November 5, 2011 at 6:05 pm

    Heck, invite them in. It would be cheaper.

  107. Steak n Eggs
    November 5, 2011 at 6:10 pm

    Hi Fi…let them protest. If this behavior continues perhaps the Oocupy Humboldt division of OWS will self-destruct. But perhaps they get it together and something good comes of it.

    This is a great challenge for the movement to see if they are orgainized enough to self-police themselves and learn from the experience. many of us in the middle enjoy the drama as it unfolds.

  108. tra
    November 5, 2011 at 6:11 pm

    Hi Fi said “Arrest Linda Atkins for obstruction of justice and violating the Brown Act.”

    On what basis?

  109. Hairy Kane Kate
    November 5, 2011 at 6:29 pm

    Hi Fi just go down to the city council and bribe them with a $30,000 check. They will arrest anyone you want. They like you so much they probably won’t even cash it.

  110. High Finance
    November 5, 2011 at 7:00 pm

    What could “come good of it” Steak ? They will remain until they are evicted. The longer we let them abuse us the more we encourage those types for future acts.

    Tra, are you serious ? How do you think Linda Atkins knew about it except in a city council closed door meeting held under the Brown Act. If not, at least it is an obstruction of justice issue.

    Hairy Kane, I don’t need to bribe the current council to do what is right. This council acts on what is best for the people. Tough luck for you.

  111. Red Fred
    November 5, 2011 at 7:06 pm

    Arrest Linda for some bs and we will march on city hall.

  112. tra
    November 5, 2011 at 7:19 pm

    “How do you think Linda Atkins knew about it…?”

    Knew about what? The fact that the police were considering removing the protesters? Was that top secret? I doubt it.

    “If not, at least it is an obstruction of justice.”

    How so? It’s easy to toss those kinds of charges around, especially from behing a veil of anonymity…easy, but not meaningful.

  113. Bolithio
    November 5, 2011 at 7:30 pm

    Just another opinion…

    I think she was looking for conflict and not so much really caring about who shat at the bank. Her attitude clearly demonstrates that she had her mind made up about who the occupy people were, and she clearly had no respect for them. She got what she was looking for through manifest destiny. Not exactly award winning behavior. Thats fine if she doesnt respect them. But as a reporter your job is to remove yourself from your feelings and report from neutral ground.

    Even if one of the occupiers did commit the pooping act, who would ever admit that to someone asking in such a way, on camera!? Obviously no one. Further proof her premise of questioning was bunk.

    Its not media bias though, here. Its just that chick. So far.

  114. humboldt turtle
    November 5, 2011 at 7:44 pm

    Maybe the poop was a plant. The reporter maybe?

  115. Anonymous
    November 5, 2011 at 8:17 pm

    Right. Those guys need a place to go to the bathroom. They all knew what was up.

  116. HiFry
    November 5, 2011 at 10:52 pm

    Why does HiFry say Charles Douglas is keeping quiet? Looks like he has plenty to say on his Twitter.

    Notice he doesn’t condemn Occupy Wall Street at all…instead he calls out Verbena on hijacking a positive movement for her negative ends.

  117. Anonymous
    November 5, 2011 at 11:20 pm

    Sort of random, but someone told me yesterday that “trouble was expected” in downtown Eureka this morning. This would have been information from either law enforcement or someone outside the OWS group, as the person I heard this from is definitely not part of OWS. I wondered, at the time, what they might be talking about but just dismissed it as “talk.” Now, in light of what occurred, I have to wonder. It seems as though this “event” may have been provoked or orchestrated, planned ahead of time.

  118. Pitchfork
    November 5, 2011 at 11:35 pm

    Ask Verbena, aka Kim Starr who’s bank rolling her. It’s not one of the 99%. In the sixties they would have called her an “agent provocateur”

  119. Anonymous
    November 6, 2011 at 2:21 am

    John Quill, so the reporter was trespassing on a person that was in reality trepassing ? Illegal camping?!

    This is a public area that everyone should be able to use but, this group of subjects have taken it over.

    Pitchfork, good question (about Kim Starr). I would like to know the answer.

    In the video, Mr. Red Jacket really shows the quality folks involved in “Occupy Humboldt”.

  120. Plain Jane
    November 6, 2011 at 6:14 am

    The reporter was confrontational and obnoxious. She isn’t a cop so her only reason for intruding with her mic, camera and rude questions was to incite anger. That ONE person reacted with anger does not put the whole movement at fault and neither do idiots like Verbena who is trying to coopt the movement for her own glory because she is ineffective on her own. The Occupy movement doesn’t require people to actually occupy public land. It only requires people to demand that their legislators do the will of the majority and occupy the voting booths to replace the corporate whores with servants of the people.

  121. Mitch
    November 6, 2011 at 6:35 am

    I was impressed by Mr. Red Jacket throughout the video.

    At the beginning, he made the reasonable misunderstanding that the woman with the microphone was “sound biting,” and so he gave her exactly the expected response — “the banks poo and pee on us every day.” That’s exactly what the politicians and Sabbath gasbags do every day, for good money, and the blow-dries lap it up.

    He continued with this, repeating it over and over again, staying on message with a discipline that any political campaign would admire.

    Eventually, it became clear that the woman was on a nastier mission. He followed her, and the moment there was a confrontation, he placed himself between her and the person who apparently jostled the camera, trying to keep the peace. You can see how quickly he acted, because he’s already in frame with his hand acting as a stop against someone by the time the camera operator has put the camera back on scene.

    He then followed the nasty woman as she exited the encampment, trying to reason with her. While that looks at first glance like a waste of time, he could not have known that for sure.

    All in all, extraordinarily impressive.

  122. Plain Jane
    November 6, 2011 at 6:41 am

    I agree, Mitch. The nasty reporter was to blame for the whole confrontation and should be fired for such blatant lack of objectivity.

  123. Mitch
    November 6, 2011 at 6:47 am

    That nasty person was no reporter, PJ. I realize the title is more an insult than a credential in these times, but even so, she doesn’t fit the category so I wouldn’t refer to her with the title.

    She was some nasty person with a microphone being followed by a camera. The camera, microphone. and nasty person were owned by some nasty right wing outfit that I think is involved in broadcasting.

  124. Mitch
    November 6, 2011 at 7:21 am

    This morning, I filed an FCC complaint against the owners of KIEM-TV, Pollack/Belz Broadcasting.

    I went to fcc.gov at the address here: https://esupport.fcc.gov/ccmsforms/form2000.action?form_type=2000E

    and explained that I felt that there employee’s behavior showed bias and appeared to be an attempt to mislead the public in furtherance of the political goals of the stations owners.

    I hope others will file similar complaints. FCC complaints and the withdrawal of advertising dollars are the only things the owners will care about.

  125. Thomas Paine Jr.
    November 6, 2011 at 7:28 am

    To the poster that said Betsy did not have the power to arrest the person that assaulted her, you are incorrect. Anyone can make a citizens arrest. The police carry citizen arrest paperwork with them. I personally have made At least three citizens arrests in Arcata, and probably 10 in my lifetime.

    A citizen’s arrest is a formal arrest by a citizen has no official government authority to make such an arrest as an agent of the government. The California Penal Code gives any citizen the right to make a citizen’s arrest of another citizen in three alternative situations:
    A public offense was committed or attempted in the citizen’s presence.
    The person arrested has committed a felony, although not in the citizen’s presence.
    A felony has been in fact committed and the citizen has reasonable cause for believing the person arrested has committed it.
    Why do we need a statute like this? Why do we need a “citizen’s arrest”? Well, as the crime rate goes up, it becomes more and more important that good citizens come to the aid of one another in distress. Without such a statute, only government agents, such as police, would have the authority to stop a felon in progress. By creating the “citizen’s arrest” statute we give ordinary citizens the authority to hold another citizen without fear of being sued for false imprisonment. Without the statute, the citizen who interfered in criminal activity would risk such a lawsuit.

  126. Thomas Paine Jr.
    November 6, 2011 at 7:33 am

    PS
    This clown was extremely lucky it was not me taking the video or asking the questions or this situation would have gone very badly for the ” occupier” and defiantly made national news.

  127. Plain Jane
    November 6, 2011 at 7:40 am

    Pushing a camera out of your face isn’t assault. Even protesters you disagree with have the right to protest without being harassed by “reporters” trying to incite violence.

  128. Mitch
    November 6, 2011 at 7:42 am

    Pollack/Belz Broadcasting, which owns KIEM Channel 3, is located in Memphis, Tennessee. In addition to KIEM, it owns a broadcast outlet in Louisiana.

    6699 Wild Berry Lane
    Memphis, TN 38119
    Voice: 901-753-0768

    Martin S. Belz,
    William H. Pollack, president
    David L. Pollack, member

    Station DMA Name DMA Rank Affiliation
    KLAX-TV Alexandria, LA 178 ABC
    KIEM-TV Eureka, CA 194 NBC

    Incidentally, I mistakenly indicated we were the bottom of the barrel as far as market size goes. I was wrong — we are 194 of 210. Juneau and North Platte are both smaller markets.

  129. Anonymous
    November 6, 2011 at 7:46 am

    so why don’t you go interview them yourself hotshot?

  130. Mitch
    November 6, 2011 at 7:52 am

    Anonymous 7:46,

    Do you think Pollack/Belz would broadcast an interview that anyone to the left of Attila the Hun would conduct with Occupy?

  131. Red Fred
    November 6, 2011 at 7:52 am

    Well Tom Paine why don’t you get your lard ass down there and interview someone yourself? It will be entertaining seeing your inbred face on television. Another keyboard cowboy.

    The real Tom Paine was a real patriot not some phony boot licker to the aristocracy.

  132. Mitch
    November 6, 2011 at 7:53 am

    It seems so curious that an outfit in Tennessee owns TV stations in little Eureka and Louisiana. I can’t imagine what might connect Eureka and Louisiana, can you?

  133. Anonymous
    November 6, 2011 at 7:59 am

    These kinds of companies own many stations. That us what “they do”, and how they make their money. They can’t own only in their own state, as that would be too few stations for their empire to make a huge profit.

  134. Mitch
    November 6, 2011 at 8:02 am

    Anonymous,

    Only two TV stations are owned by Pollack/Belz.

  135. Anonymous
    November 6, 2011 at 8:13 am

    How do you know the political leanings of the owners?

  136. Anonymous
    November 6, 2011 at 8:22 am

    Mitch and Jane, are you really that dense? Stupid? Ignorant? Or are you just acting out for some attention?

    The police are letting the season, the weather, embrace the Humboldt occupiers. The weather outside is frightful ……………..

    Nothing like a hot cup of coffee while sitting in a warm room on a winters day.

  137. Anonymous
    November 6, 2011 at 8:28 am

    or maybe the police are after criminals.

  138. Red Fred
    November 6, 2011 at 8:29 am

    “All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit. ”

    Thomas Paine

    So Thomas Paine Jr. I guess you agree with your Daddy on this one?

  139. November 6, 2011 at 8:30 am

    If you support “real” local news, then show it by supporting KMUD.
    923-3911

  140. Anonymous
    November 6, 2011 at 8:37 am

    How do they know the political affliliation of the owners? Because anyone who is the boss, makes money, or owns something big is labeled bad and republican here. This is a most biased and cynical group.

  141. Red Fred
    November 6, 2011 at 8:38 am

    “He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself. ”

    Thomas Paine

    Got the picture Junior?

  142. Anonymous
    November 6, 2011 at 8:40 am

    did you poop and pee on the bank?

  143. Plain Jane
    November 6, 2011 at 8:45 am

    @ 8:22/8:37: “They” didn’t say anything about the political affiliation of the owners. Mitch did. People like YOU who attribute every statement made by an individual to everyone who shares some of their views is beyond cynical to idiotic. You are almost as idiotic as people who believe their own fantasies about what people believe despite them telling you in simple words what they actually do believe which is contradictory to your fantasies.

  144. November 6, 2011 at 8:54 am

    “Plain Jane says:
    November 6, 2011 at 7:40 am

    Pushing a camera out of your face isn’t assault. Even protesters you disagree with have the right to protest without being harassed by “reporters” trying to incite violence.”

    California Assault Law

    Penal Code 240 PC

    California law defines an “assault” under Penal Code 240 PC as an unlawful attempt… coupled with a present ability…to commit a violent injury upon another person.1

    Simply put, it means performing an act that is likely to result in the application of force to another person

    California “Assault & Battery” Laws

    Penal Code 242 PC

    A California Penal Code pc 242 battery takes place when you willfully and unlawfully use force or violence upon another.1 You can be convicted of this offense even if you don’t harm or injure the other person, as long as you make some type of unwanted physical contact.

    Now tell me how the person that interfered with Ms. Lambert doing her (constitutionally protected) job on public property DID NOT commit both of these crimes?

  145. November 6, 2011 at 8:54 am

    “Red Fred says:
    November 6, 2011 at 8:29 am

    “All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit. ”

    Thomas Paine

    So Thomas Paine Jr. I guess you agree with your Daddy on this one?

    I do, 100%

  146. NoDoz
    November 6, 2011 at 8:55 am

    Now we know that the citizen of Alexandria Louisiana are getting the same Arkleyskank as we do. Let’s build some bridges with those people, reach out to them. Is there an occupy in Alexandria?

    And to those many who Arkley owes money to: No you can’t have the TV station its owned by some LLCs. Go pound sand.

  147. Mitch
    November 6, 2011 at 8:58 am

    Anonymous,

    I am making a wild guess that the average Tennessee-based TV station owner is more conservative than the average resident of Humboldt County. Color me dense.

  148. November 6, 2011 at 8:59 am

    Red Fred says:
    November 6, 2011 at 7:52 am

    Well Tom Paine why don’t you get your lard ass down there and interview someone yourself? It will be entertaining seeing your inbred face on television. Another keyboard cowboy.

    The real Tom Paine was a real patriot not some phony boot licker to the aristocracy.

    I live in Arcata, and I have been interviewing and photographing the two camps in Arcata. I was there photographing the arrests in Arcata, the move to city hall, and the placement of the “fences”, no smoking signs and straw as well.

    You can see “my inbred” face on TV all the time, at Arcata City Council meetings, or City Council debates during election season.

  149. Mitch
    November 6, 2011 at 9:08 am

    Anonymous doth ask: “Mitch and Jane, are you really that dense? Stupid? Ignorant? Or are you just acting out for some attention?”

    These questions are similar to “did you poop and pee at the bank” in that they are not actually soliciting an answer. See?

    No, I don’t consider myself dense.

    No, I don’t consider myself stupid or ignorant.

    No, I don’t believe I am acting out for some attention.

    And, for the record, I did not poop or pee at the bank.

    I can’t be sure about Jane.

  150. Mitch
    November 6, 2011 at 9:09 am

    Oh, yeah. But THE BANKS POOP AND PEE ON US EVERY DAY.

  151. November 6, 2011 at 9:10 am

    You can also see and read my work at the times standard, and or the Arcata Eye.
    Also on my Blog.

    http://marksailorsarcatanow.wordpress.com/

  152. Plain Jane
    November 6, 2011 at 9:19 am

    I do consider myself stupid, Mitch, every time I waste time responding to trolls. I’m so ashamed.

  153. Mitch
    November 6, 2011 at 9:22 am

    Breaking News *** KIEM *** NewsChannel 3 *** Breaking News

    A local blogger going by the pseudonym Plain Jane confesses to considering herself stupid. Details at 11.

    This has been a breaking news update from the Koch Brothers.

  154. Plain Jane
    November 6, 2011 at 9:25 am

    The reporter was the aggressor, putting mics and cameras in people’s faces against their will. They aren’t public figures and she isn’t paparazzi. Her bias was clear when she kept repeating the question if they pooped on the bank and kept trying to spin their responses into an admission of guilt. That’s the sort of garbage they pull at Fox, not a credible news outlet.

  155. November 6, 2011 at 9:53 am

    The protesters are on public land at a court house, they are a newsworthy story therefore they have ZERO expectation of privacy.
    PERIOD

    Ms. Lambert was doing her job, the protester was wrong, and to anyone that can read clearly in violation of the law.

    He needs to be arrested and prosecuted to teach him the lesson that it is not ok to put your hands on others EVER, christ my 2 year old knows that.

    How much do you want to bet that “perp” had warrants out for his arrest already…?

  156. Anonymous
    November 6, 2011 at 9:53 am

    that reporter’s technique reminded me of Marian Brady last year during one her manic marina center diatribes.

  157. Anonymous
    November 6, 2011 at 10:00 am

    Ha ha ha ha

    Funny, I’ve never been shit on or pissed on by a bank. The sad part here is I was planning on taking my money out of Bank of American, not for the reasons any occuplier might think or approve of. I just don’t like their management core ethics, the service, or the attitude of many of the employees. Haven’t for soem time.

    But now if I switch my money (only $28 K or so) but it would make it appear I was in agreement with the occuied lamo’s. As it is Bof A will have my money for at least another month.

  158. November 6, 2011 at 10:01 am

    he general rule is that you can photograph mostly anything you like as long as it’s in a public place. You do not need to have permission to photograph in public, this include photographing building and parks as well as people that are in public areas.

    If you’re on public property you can even photograph private property, for example standing on the street and photographing someone’s garden. If you are on private property you can photograph until someone ask you to stop (a sign prohibiting photography counts as well) and you must obey such a request.

    There are exceptions to this rule, for example military installations or other subjects that can be classed as national security. However infrastructures such as bridges are not included in such a list. Another exception is, even in a public space, places like dressing rooms, restrooms or people entering their code at the ATM machine — photographing at these places counts as invading a person’s privacy.

    So to summarize, here are some examples of things you can photograph, if you’re in a public space you can photograph adults, children, law enforcement officers, accidents, criminal activities, celebrities, airports and train stations.
    What to do when people question you

    There is a good chance that somewhere along the way in your photography experience, someone is going to confront you. Everything from regular citizens to security personal and law enforcement officers might question your activity and ask you to stop photographing. They might say it’s for security reason and refer to acts like terrorism, this is not a valid reason for them to ask you to stop what you are doing. As long as you’re in a public space you have the right to photograph.

    First of all, act politely and stay as calm as possible. You do not need to explain why you are there or what you are photographing. In most cases you do not need to disclose your identity (depending on your country/state you might need to do so if it’s a law enforcement officer that is requesting).

    You do not need to give them your camera/memory card nor do you need to delete the images. Unless they have a court order or are arresting you (again, depending on your location) they have no right to take your equipment.

    If you are asked to delete photographs or asked to hand over your equipment ask for their identity and who they work for. Also ask what legal reason they cite for doing this to you. If this happens to you, you might want to consider taking legal action or contact your local newspaper.
    How and Where can I use/publish my photographs?

    Okay, so you have the right to photograph mostly anything, but are you allowed to do whatever you want with the photographs you took? The short answer is: No, there are rules and laws surrounding how you publish and distribute your photographs.

    Once again, I cannot stress this enough, the laws are not the same all around the world so make sure you know what the laws says in your area before you do something you will later regret. A wrong decision can end up costing you a lot of money, not to mention your reputation as a respectable photographer.

    In most areas the main difference in your rights is depending on if the photograph is used commercially or not. If your photograph is not commercial, i.e. considered art, you have much more rights to publish and use your photograph. For example, in most countries you are allowed to publish and sell photographs that are considered art without a legal release from the model/person in the photo. This means that you can go around the city photographing people in everyday situations and sell the prints or have a show at a gallery without notifying the people you photograph.

    However if you intend to use the photograph in any commercial situation you will need a model release from the model. An important note is that if you sell the photograph to a commercial agency they are responsible for getting the model release from both the model and you as the photographer. If they publish your photograph without a model release you are not to blame — however all serious agencies requires a model release for every photograph they buy.

    There is one gray spot though, photographers portfolios. They are used to display your work, just like commercials, but in most countries they are considered art and you do not need a model release to publish a photo on your portfolio.

    News photographs, even though they can be used to sell newspapers, do not require a model release to be published and sold.

  159. Plain Jane
    November 6, 2011 at 10:01 am

    She was still an obnoxious bitch with an obvious bias who wasn’t threatened or harmed in any way. Not everyone involved in any movement is mentally stable so pushing aggressively into their midst with hostile questions seems likely to provoke a negative response, possibly deliberately.

  160. Red Fred
    November 6, 2011 at 10:01 am

    Now that I have seen your picture I want to say I am sincerely sorry for implying that you are inbred. Please accept my apology Mark.

    Perhaps you could elucidate for us your political philosophy?

  161. Anonymous
    November 6, 2011 at 10:02 am

    mitch you need to reconsider

  162. November 6, 2011 at 10:05 am

    “Plain Jane says:
    November 6, 2011 at 10:01 am

    She was still an obnoxious bitch with an obvious bias who wasn’t threatened or harmed in any way. Not everyone involved in any movement is mentally stable so pushing aggressively into their midst with hostile questions seems likely to provoke a negative response, possibly deliberately.”

    So now you are admitting that the protester was in fact wrong, criminally so, and should never have put his hands on another person, let alone two women under 5’4″?

  163. Mitch
    November 6, 2011 at 10:07 am

    Mark,

    I understand that you are concerned that people have the right to photograph in public places.

    Do you think it was the photography in a public place that I am concerned with? It’s the behavior that was associated with the photography. If there had been no camera or microphone there, do you believe that the behavior was acceptable?

    For example, if you were picnicking in Redwood Park, and someone had poo’d outside the park toilets that morning, what would be your reaction to a person going around from blanket to blanket, putting herself in people’s faces, and loudly asking “did you poo outside the toilets,” repeating herself over and over?

    What if the person’s clearly stated intent had been to get picnickers evicted from Redwood Park, and she’d loudly and publicly asked the Arcata Police when they were going to stop these picnics?

    Myself, I’d begin to suspect that the person had brought the poo, to help her make her case with or for the police.

    The fact that this particular person is paid by a broadcaster and accompanied by a camera doesn’t seem to me to change the rules of courtesy or public behavior.

  164. Mitch
    November 6, 2011 at 10:11 am

    Anonymous 10:02,

    Possibly the best post of the thread. I’ll take it to heart.

  165. November 6, 2011 at 10:12 am

    The Mirror seems to mistake a pile of feces for red meat. That guy must have a terrible diet.

  166. Plain Jane
    November 6, 2011 at 10:12 am

    Of course the protester was wrong to push the camera away. But she was wrong to put it in his face and behave so disrespectfully before he pushed it away. Do you think she didn’t know she was likely to encounter someone with mental problems? Do mentally healthy people poop on banks? She was deliberately creating news, not reporting it.

  167. Goldie
    November 6, 2011 at 10:13 am

    Could that be projection Jane? Sometimes we see what we don’t like about ourselves in others and call the kettle black.

  168. November 6, 2011 at 10:14 am

    Interview with Ayr (referred to above as “Mr. Red Jacket.”)

  169. uhh...
    November 6, 2011 at 10:15 am

    Mark, you out of touch dipshit. Rail some diatribe about this incident, but you don’t even know who “that guy” is? Where the hell do you live, what the hell do you think you’re talking about? Go introduce yourself to “that guy” and see if you agree with what you just wrote. All talk.

    …all spammin’ yo’ seff up onna message boards, righteous chil’e..

  170. yep.
    November 6, 2011 at 10:22 am

    hats off to Ayr for stepping up and telling it like it happened.

  171. Plain Jane
    November 6, 2011 at 10:29 am

    I don’t think so, Goldie. I may get a little loopy sometimes, but never to the point of pooping on anyone’s property.

  172. Mitch
    November 6, 2011 at 10:42 am

    Breaking News *** KIEM NewsChannel 3 *** Breaking News

    A local blog commenter going by the pseudonym Plain Jane today admitted to getting “a little loopy.” She also refused to deny specific involvement in the recent terrorist biohazard incident at a local bank, saying only that she [rarely] “blacks out and poops on anyone’s property.”

    Anyone with information about the whereabouts of this person is encouraged to contact KIEMxxxx the local police.

    Citizens are encouraged to be cautious and vigilant, as it is not certain where the next terrorist biohazard incident may occur. We are now at threat level Alpha Brown 4. Remember: Your neighborhood watch captain is your friend.

    This breaking news update has been brought to you by the Koch Brothers. Things go better with Koch.

  173. Mitch
    November 6, 2011 at 10:46 am

    PJ,

    I slightly misquoted you in my piece about your being a terrorist. Sorry.

  174. my name's not dave
    November 6, 2011 at 10:49 am

    i’m going to get the scoop from plain jane’s friends, neighbors and family, ask them why they think she likes to create biohazard incidents in public doorways. everybody heard about it on the news…

  175. Goldie
    November 6, 2011 at 10:49 am

    It’s the name calling Jane, and the personal attacks you make on folks. It’s mean spirited and always off topic. It takes away from the just world you long for. It diminishes human spirit. Betsy Lambert has been a very good neighbor in the short time she has been here. She has done all she can to help find loved ones who are missing, support local fund raisers and she reaches out to the community. Her questions on this day were of a low level and perhaps professionally immature. Your comment about her would be more upsetting to her than a pile of shit because she cares and because she is a sensitive person. I would not like to encourage her to withdraw from our community because of unnecessary hurtful remarks.

  176. my name's not dave
    November 6, 2011 at 10:50 am

    (that was bad joke sarcasm, not directed @ pj, derrr)

  177. Mitch
    November 6, 2011 at 10:57 am

    Broadcasting LIVE and up to the minute from Eureka Police Department Headquarters, this is your LOCAL news channel, News Channel 3:

    Rptr: Hi Jim, the hair’s looking great.

    Anchor: Thanks, Joan, your’s too. So what’s the latest?

    Rptr: The police are considering DNA testing on the biohazard, but that’s believed to have a 24 hour turnaround, and not everyone’s DNA is on file, so it might not locate the terrorist. But they’re urging calm.

    Anchor: DNA?

    Rptr: Yes, Jim, I’m told it’s a technique sometimes used in forensic analysis.

    Anchor: Four enzic?

    Rptr: Yes, Jim. The siege of the courthouse is continuing, with citizen’s access to government essentially blocked. My understanding is that EPD is eliminating all vacation time, and bringing back the heroic SWAT team, our men in black, our heroic shooters, our last defence of decency, our…

    Anchor: Uh, Joan, I think the EPD spokesperson is speaking now, we’re going to cut to him.

    EPD Spokesperson: …disease must be wiped from our community. It is a threat to us all. So we thank you for your support, and want you to know that we will bring order to our town.

    Anchor: Sorry to cut away from EPD, but John on NewsScooter 3 has a report.

    John:

    Anchor: John, go ahead. (Gfx: John on Scooter)

    John:

    Anchor: That’s terrifying. I hope the terrorists haven’t got John. And now a word from our sponsor, General Electric.

  178. Mitch
    November 6, 2011 at 11:01 am

    Way to go, Goldie. I’ll take your criticism, too, even though it’s not specifically aimed in my direction. Thanks for being a grownup in the room and intervening.

  179. tra
    November 6, 2011 at 11:03 am

    The fact is that the video does not show anyone assaulting anyone, it just shows that a camera got jostled somehow or other, and it records that the reporter loudly claimed that her cameraman was assaulted. That’s not proof that an assault took place.

    They may have the right to take photos in public, but I’m not sure they have (or should have) the right to stick a camera into someone’s tent, or 6 inches from someone’s face.

    If a reporter and/or cameraperson corners you or blocks your path, and sticks a camera right up in your face while berating you, and to get away from them you have no choice but to push past them, and as a result the camera gets jostled, is that really an “assault”?

    If you try to put your hand up to the lens of a camera that has been thrust uncomfortably close to your face, well within your “personal space,” and in the process the camera gets jostled, is that really an “assault?”

    If so, then it is exceedingly simple to manufacture an “assault.” Just keep jamming your camera up in people’s faces while accusing those people of filthy anti-social behavior, until eventually someone reacts in an unfriendly way.

    It seems to me that the reporter finally got exactly the reaction she was trying to produce. The key word being “produce” as clearly she was not there to report news, she was there trying to manufacture some kind of news-like entertainment product.

    I see a bright future for her somewhere at the low end of the low-IQ reality television industry, where provoking people and then squealing about their reactions is considered to be some kind of entertainment.

  180. Anonymous
    November 6, 2011 at 11:09 am

    I just watched the video of Ayr explaining the confrontation from his point of view.

    His account agrees with what I saw in the Raw Footage released by KIEM TV.

    I don’t agree with his entire political message, but I believe his version of what happened and I respect him.

  181. Goldie
    November 6, 2011 at 11:13 am

    Mitch, Actually this situation is true parody,or perhaps irony or maybe art. We have corporate crime on a scale that is hard to imagine. And here we are stopping the presses to look at a pile of poo. It is a micro little pile of art, a statement if you will, placed artistically for impact. While the banks push people out of their homes, one peasant replies with all he has left.

  182. tra
    November 6, 2011 at 11:18 am

    Let’s try a little thought experiment here:

    Imagine that the reporter on the scene had been Dave Silverbrand instead of this Betsey Lambert. Do you suppose it might have gone a bit differently?

    That’s it, that’s the whole thought experiment.

    Discuss.

  183. Plain Jane
    November 6, 2011 at 11:21 am

    I don’t claim to be a journalist, Goldie. As individuals we are all biased toward what we believe. Journalists should put their personal biases aside to report the facts in an impartial manner.

  184. Dan
    November 6, 2011 at 11:25 am

    Where are the reporters?
    Why not review the tapes from the banks security?
    Or, did we forget- this is about OWS
    movement getting credit for another movement.

    Geez….. simply review the bank’s tapes.

  185. Mitch
    November 6, 2011 at 11:30 am

    And yet, PJ, the truth for me is that I haven’t ever seen or heard of Betsey Lambert before this. For that matter, I doubt I’d recognize Dave Silverbrand if I saw him on the street. I don’t watch Newschannel 3.

    So this was an example of corporate mainstream journalism at its worst, but Betsey Lambert or Dave Silverbrand might, in general, not be nearly as awful as this would suggest.

    I’d hate to be judged by my worst days.

    On the other hand, the entire incident rings so true to me of what I expect from the mainstream media these days, it is still telling.

    Goldie summed it up well — this is true parody. The media is hard on the track of the creamer thief and the poo parolee while ignoring the daily “crime of the century” committed by those on top. Performance art indeed.

  186. Goldie
    November 6, 2011 at 11:30 am

    I never said you were a journalist. And yes, we are biased, all of us. But not all of us are hurtful in our comments. There are many ways to agree and disagree. But life is hard enough for all of us. We do not need to be like birds pecking at someone who has had a difficult moment. I hope you have warm tea. I hope you get a phone call from a delightful friend. I hope you have a most delightful day and you go to your bed tonight happy. And I also hope that Betsy Lambert stays with us and continues to do the best she can to bring us the news of our town. I think she is an asset to our community and will become only more so as time goes on.

  187. Anonymous
    November 6, 2011 at 11:41 am

    http://kiem-tv.com/node/2437

    Shows another side of reporer Kelly May. In this factually accurate and emotionally moving report, Kelly covers the vigil for Reggie Clark, a well-liked local man who was murdered by two white racists as they passed through Eureka.

  188. hey
    November 6, 2011 at 11:41 am

    Here’s Dave Silverbrand working with that same Charles Douglas — wtf is going on around here?

  189. tra
    November 6, 2011 at 11:41 am

    I agree with Mitch at 6:35 that Ayr handled the situation quite well, especially considering the unprofesional attitude and obnoxious behavior of this “reporter.”

  190. Plain Jane
    November 6, 2011 at 11:42 am

    I have difficult moments when I see supposed journalists trying to undermine an important political movement. People say hurtful things to me every day. These are rough and tumble political times so you can either grow some skin or suffer the pain of an insult from an anonymous person on the internet.

  191. Goldie
    November 6, 2011 at 11:48 am

    Jane, I am sorry to hear that hurtful things are said to you. These are hard times. Yes, the pain of the anonymous person on the internet stings and can be a very deep injury. I do wish you comfort.

  192. Plain Jane
    November 6, 2011 at 11:52 am

    I’m strong enough to handle it without whining, Goldie. Insults just bounce off the courage of my convictions.

  193. Mitch
    November 6, 2011 at 11:55 am

    creamer criminal and poo perp, not creamer thief and poo parolee.

    I wish there were a way to edit one’s comments.

  194. November 6, 2011 at 11:55 am

    The Humboldt Herald trash bin is full of stupid, sexist attacks on Jane and void of any other content.

  195. Plain Jane
    November 6, 2011 at 11:58 am

    Apparently the Heroic Heraldo blocks the most egregious. I’ve never requested such a service, but it’s not unwelcome.

  196. Plain Jane
    November 6, 2011 at 11:59 am

    How have I missed the big news of the creamer criminal?

  197. November 6, 2011 at 12:02 pm

    Jane, I’m just doing my part to encourage any glimmer of intelligence that might lie beneath such vicious stupidity.

  198. Plain Jane
    November 6, 2011 at 12:05 pm

    A valuable community service, Heraldo.

  199. Rick
    November 6, 2011 at 12:08 pm

    Yes, the reporter was a bit immature, but I just can’t believe most of the people on here are backing up that crackhead that pushed the reporter. That really speaks volumes about this movement (at least our local branch of it).

    You all claim the reporter is distorting the facts regarding the alleged assault. Take a look in the mirror folks. That reporter never stuck her camera in anyone’s tent. She was filming from outside the tents and the occupants opened up the tent flaps to speak. Yeah, she was being obnoxious, but certainly no more obnoxious than the protesters. Good for the goose, good for the gander.

    I have no problem with people protesting. I will fight for their right to do so. March around and protest all you want, but as soon as you set up a tent, or a cook stove, you should be booted off the property. It is really simple… protesting is legal… camping is not. When I drove by (on my why to work) this morning there was not one single protester out there. Not one person carrying a sign. Everyone was inside their tents apparantly and that my friends is camping, not protesting.

    As I mentioned earlier, I am sympathetic to some of the causes this movement supposedly stands for, but I certainly don’t want the people I have seen out there speaking for me.

  200. Jess Axin
    November 6, 2011 at 12:08 pm

    Plain Jane says:
    November 6, 2011 at 6:14 am

    . That ONE person reacted with anger does not put the whole movement at fault and neither do idiots like Verbena who is trying to coopt the movement for her own glory because she is ineffective on her own.

  201. tra
    November 6, 2011 at 12:10 pm

    Goldie,

    I hope you’re right that this incident is the exception, not the rule as far as Betsey Lambert’s work goes. That being said, I just can’t picture Dave Silverbrand stomping around there like an idiot, shouting, “Who pooped and peed on the bank!? Did YOU poop and pee on the bank!? Did YOU?”

    That it was an obnoxious and embarassing performance is, at least for me, not really in question. I watched the video, I saw and heard how the “reporter” presented herself and how she behaved, and I’ve reached my conclusion: She displayed a shocking level of immaturity, ignorance, hostility, mean-spiritedness and unprofessionalism, all in the course of just a few minutes of video. Quite a performance.

    The only question I have is: How does she think she performed? If Ms. Lambert recognizes that this is a low point for her, then there’s hope for her. On the other hand, if she’s proud of that performance, she’s probably beyond hope.

  202. tra
    November 6, 2011 at 12:20 pm

    Rick said: “I just can’t believe most of the people on here are backing up that crackhead that pushed the reporter.”

    First of all, “…pushed the reporter” is only a claim, not a proven fact. “Crackhead” is also an unproven claim, and of course it’s an irrelevant one as well.

  203. Mitch
    November 6, 2011 at 12:24 pm

    PJ,

    re: Creamer Criminal

    Hank Sims reprinted EPD’s press release (and, to his credit, didn’t try to hide that fact.)

    http://lostcoastoutpost.com/2011/nov/3/epd-busts-starbucks-cream-thief-and-hes-occupier/

  204. Rick
    November 6, 2011 at 12:33 pm

    I am pretty sure he pushed the cameraman. He/she was clearly jostled and I doubt the reporter completely fabricated the claim. Was it an assault? Certainly not much of one, if one at all, but he still ad no right to touch the cameraman or their equipment.

    As far as my “crackhead” comment, It would probably be more accurate to say “tweaker”. Yes, it is an unproven claim, but I have been around long enough to know one when I see one. I am willing to bet good money that gentleman has been arrested for drug possession in the past.To be clear though, this is only my opinion and I have no direct knowledge of this.

    So, unproven, yes. Irrellevent? Hardly!
    I think it is extremely relevant to know if the people that claim to be speaking out for the majority of America are actually drug addicted bums.

  205. Mitch
    November 6, 2011 at 12:36 pm

    Rick,

    As you know, it’s a public space. The occupy people cannot keep anyone out, neither tweaker nor twit. If you agree with occupy about issues, you can speak up yourself.

    What I saw was a person bothering people until she got a suitable reaction. I’m surprised the person was willing to “go” with such a pathetic example, but, whatever….

  206. tra
    November 6, 2011 at 12:44 pm

    Rick,

    Switching from an unfounded claim that someone is a “crackhead” to an unfounded claim that they are a “tweaker” is not an improvement. In both cases, these unfounded, and, yes, irrelevant claims say more about your own prejudices than they do about the person whose reputation you are attempting to smear.

  207. Poopgate
    November 6, 2011 at 12:45 pm

    Thanks for the FCC link Mitch, and the Irony of Reich-Wingers suddenly defending the tactics of Michael Moore!

    There’s always poop to be found in cities with inadequate public facilities, especially in Eureka. For a reporter to purposely antagonize others with such forceful accusations, from behind her media shield, is an outrage. Any reasonable person watching that video should recognize the extreme gray-areas defining any kind of “assault” on this cruel and stupid woman.

    I will be filing my complaint.

    About 10 years ago, the antique store owner near Bank of America was paying a homeless man $5 a day to clean up human feces… it turns out that the homeless man started making the mess himself to stay in “business”.

    Most of the homeless would take any job, if offered.

  208. November 6, 2011 at 12:48 pm

    Rick,

    Since this is a newer kinder Humboldt Herald my brother I will not opine upon your intelligence or attractiveness to either gender.

    However I mus point out that you have several logical contradictions in your post sir.

    In your secondt paragraph you make the point “Yes, it is an unproven claim” and “this is only my opinion and I have no direct knowledge of this.”

    In your conclusion you state: “extremely relevant to know if the people that claim to be speaking out for the majority of America are actually drug addicted bums.”

    Somewhere along the line your opinion became “actually.”

    Along those lines I think it would be extremely important to know whether or not all Republicans are thieves, or just the ones who claim to be speaking for all Americans?

    have a peaceful day,
    Bill

  209. Anonymous
    November 6, 2011 at 1:17 pm

    If I feel like camping am I allowed to set up my tent on the lawn of the Court House anytime. Just curious.

  210. November 6, 2011 at 1:21 pm

    If you are part of a peaceful assembly of citizens for the purpose of redress of grievances. Yes. Absolutely Yes.

    have a peaceful day,
    Bill

  211. mresquan
    November 6, 2011 at 1:50 pm

    Mitch wrote,”So this was an example of corporate mainstream journalism at its worst, ”

    As bad as this was,nothing will top the 3 segment series Ch.3 did a few years back on the greatness of Rob Arkley.

  212. Anonymous
    November 6, 2011 at 1:50 pm

    Can I park my motorhome there if I put a slogan on it?

  213. hey
    November 6, 2011 at 2:05 pm

    Yeah like END THE FED or ARREST THE BANKERS. Anything besides dirty professional protesters pushing camera people around!

  214. Mitch
    November 6, 2011 at 2:13 pm

    Perhaps your slogan could be, “Just so you know, I’m far superior to these people, but I think they have a point.”

  215. Rick
    November 6, 2011 at 3:02 pm

    Anon said, “If I feel like camping am I allowed to set up my tent on the lawn of the Court House anytime. Just curious.”

    Disregard what Highboldtage said, because the answer is definitely NO. As a matter of fact, there are signs on the courthouse lawn specifically prohibiting camping.

    Bill, no contradictions in my post.
    I stated that the guy looks like a drug user to me. My opinion. No hard evidence, just life experience. I also stated that whether or not someone protesting the current American system is a drug addict is relevent information. Absolutely no contradiction in these statements.

    I believe it is relevent because I will be much more willing to take someone’s grievances seriously if I think they are actually trying to help themselves and are not spending their money on meth, alcohol, cigarettes, etc. I am willing to help people, but I want to know they are trying to help themselves first.

    BTW- If the gentleman in the video would like to prove my opinion wrong, I will pay for a hair follicle drug test and if he comes back clean I will give him $100 and an apology.

  216. Plain Jane
    November 6, 2011 at 3:12 pm

    This is an educational article about the real cause of the financial crisis, the big lie and why people who know better are pushing it:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/what-caused-the-financial-crisis-the-big-lie-goes-viral/2011/10/31/gIQAXlSOqM_story_1.html

  217. Rick
    November 6, 2011 at 3:57 pm

    Mitch said, “Rick, As you know, it’s a public space. The occupy people cannot keep anyone out, neither tweaker nor twit. If you agree with occupy about issues, you can speak up yourself.

    That is true Mitch, but what bothers me is it seems that the majority of those posting here are defending the tweakers and the twits.

    I feel I am an average American.
    My wife and I both work. I am college educated. I own a small home in Eureka. I pay taxes. I vote. I feel the government is often corrupt and is overrun with corporate lobbyists. I feel the government seriously dropped the ball on the oversite of the major financial institutions that where directly responsible for the economic crash. I feel our overwhelming national debt needs to be addressed before we become the next Greece. I feel that campaign finance reform is absolutely neccesary.

    So you see, Even though I share some of the ideals of the movement, I still see most of the protesters as a bunch of lazy, self indulgent, bums and wannabe hippies who have no real clue about how the government operates and are just looking for some handouts.

    You, no doubt, disagree with this view, but I am telling you that I am the type of person you need to convince if you actually want to see anything change and right now this is the image you are projecting to folks like me, the real majority of the population.

    BTW- I do speak up about my views all the time. I do it through friendly conversation and intelligent discussion with those I work with and socialize with. I do it with my vote. It do it with my spending choices.

  218. Plain Jane
    November 6, 2011 at 4:05 pm

    You sound as if you’re already convinced but disagree with the method, Rick. Is there something wrong with many different paths to change? Some people protest, some write letters to their representatives and newspapers, some have polite discussions with their friends, some do all of the above. It’s all good.

  219. tra
    November 6, 2011 at 4:15 pm

    Rick, your prejudicial speculation about whether a particular protester might have used illegal drugs is not really relevant to the question of how the “reporter” behaved towards the protester and vice versa.

    What I saw and heard on that video was a rude question repeated over and over again, in a very hostile and accusatory way (“Did you poop or pee on the bank? DID you? Did YOU?”) until the questioner finally found someone who would respond with an equally rude answer, also made in a hostile tone (“get that fucking camera out of my face”). Is this really what passes for journalism these days? And is it more defensible if one of the people being accosted “looks like” somebody’s stereotype of a drug user? I don’t see why it would be.

  220. Step 12
    November 6, 2011 at 4:28 pm

    I will pay for a certain city official to take a breathalyzer every day for a week. If he comes up sober for a week I will give him a hundred bucks and an apology.

  221. tra
    November 6, 2011 at 4:45 pm

    Rick,

    I think you should head down to the courthouse and talk to some of the protesters. I think you’ll find that most are neither “tweakers” nor “twits,” and I bet many of them would be willing to hear you out and to have a civil conversation with you. Of course it will help if you avoid Lambert’s approach of stomping around shouting rude questions/accusations at people. And, similarly, I would avoid beginning the discussion by accusing someone of being a “crackhead” and/or “tweaker” and then demanding evidence of their innocence, that sort of approach is probably not the best way to introduce yourself.

    Even if you can’t bring them around to your way of thinking, you can always just stand there with a sign of your own — in fact Mitch has already offered a slogan that seems to fit your point of view perfectly: “Just so you know, I’m far superior to these people… but they have a point.” If nothing else, I bet you’d get a lot of chuckles from passersby.

  222. Anonymous
    November 6, 2011 at 5:10 pm

    It is the Kim Star-Verbena types that turn everyone off and ruin any chance of having a credible protest. Rick is right on. You all jump to the defense of anyone even if they do a drive by shooting. You are giving the word and meaning of liberal a bad rep. Get real.

  223. Dolce Rita
    November 6, 2011 at 5:12 pm

    prej·u·dice   /ˈprɛdʒədɪs/ Show Spelled [prej-uh-dis] noun, verb, -diced, -dic·ing.noun

    1.an unfavorable opinion or feeling formed beforehand or without knowledge, thought, or reason.

    2.any preconceived opinion or feeling, either favorable or unfavorable.

    3.unreasonable feelings, opinions, or attitudes, especially of a hostile nature, regarding a racial, religious, or national group.

  224. Stumped
    November 6, 2011 at 5:18 pm

    I didn’t see Verbena in that video. Did you?

  225. Mitch
    November 6, 2011 at 5:32 pm

    Rick,

    I’m glad you’re getting at least some serious responses or some partially serious responses.

    I think I understand how you feel. I’m also pretty confident you’re right about being a good stand-in for John Smith, the citizen that movements like Occupy have to convince.

    But the occupy groups are open to all. It seems silly to think that the “movement,” such as it is, is discredited by the people camping on the courthouse lawns. You might find you’d like some of those people very much if you sat down and spoke with them. Assumptions can be wrong.

    What harm are they doing you by their presence? What harm are they doing Eureka by their presence?

    It’s always seemed to me that one of the most awful things about being homeless is that you end up being blamed for the actions of a few people who are most likely mentally ill. You, and 95% of the people in your situation are doing your best to keep clean and keep up an appearance, despite the enormous difficulties involved… you are in a vulnerable position and have to deal with mentally ill persons that others can lock out, and then you get blamed as one of “them” when a mentally ill person (or a mentally sound jackass) does something you have no control over.

    That could be the same situation the occupy people find themselves in, trying to make a point by occupying a public space.

    (By the way, I hope I’m not perceived as “blaming” the mentally ill. The blame lies on all of us, who have not set up systems to assist these folks properly. Perhaps an extra share goes locally to our board of supervisors, that has allowed DHHS to become the disaster area it is.)

    I don’t think I’ve heard many people here defend someone for poo-ing in a bank ATM space. But I am hearing many people who are savvy enough to see that poo at the ATM is not the issue here, and a media that tries to make it the issue is failing completely.

    Occupy has already been successful. The nation is talking about income inequality — that has been one of the elephants at the table that the media has ignored for decades. The bank bailouts that the banksters thought had descended out of public attention are once again being spoken about. I’m grateful. In fact, Occupy has made me more optimistic about the possibility of change than I’ve been in years.

  226. Mitch
    November 6, 2011 at 5:48 pm

    Rick (2),

    When I think about the “movement,” I really don’t think about the people the press is trying to help me to think about, and I certainly don’t focus on some clown poo-ing at an ATM.

    I think, first and foremost, about Iraq war vet Scott Olsen standing motionless, facing the police, and having a non-lethal weapon fired at his face putting him in intensive care. And I think about the people who gathered around him after he was on the ground being scattered by a police flash-bang grenade. And I think about the woman screaming “medic” at the top of her lungs.

    I see them as heroic, asking us all to stand up and take notice of what has happened to our country. And I really become somewhat immersed in a sense of gratitude.

    Then I think about the many, many so-called respectable people who have allowed the country to descend into its current sad state, and I get very angry. It’s that anger, more than anything else, that has kept me from going to an occupy site.

  227. Plain Jane
    November 6, 2011 at 5:54 pm

    Well said, Mitch. I agree. Many of us have been trying to bring growing income inequality and corporate political power into the spotlight for years. It’s now a part of the national dialogue thanks in great part to Occupy movements all over the country despite herculean efforts to convince people that it’s just a bunch of aimless hippies wanting handouts.

  228. Anonymous
    November 6, 2011 at 5:59 pm

    I have been down to the occupy in Eureka a few times and chatted with the folks. It is a diverse bunch, lots of younger people and a few of the old Humboldt activist crew and a couple who I know are chronically homeless. The homeless are certainly safer camped on the courthouse lawn than they would be sleeping under a bush somewhere.

    I think Rick should go down there and talk to them.

    have a peaceful day,
    Bill

  229. Mitch
    November 6, 2011 at 6:01 pm

    And here’s someone else I think about when I think about what’s happened:

    http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_19274125

  230. jr
    November 6, 2011 at 6:05 pm

    What has transpired since late September is truly amazing. I have never seen such a movement become so pervasive so fast. Our government leaders have a real problem that will not go away until the issued raised by those in this movement are addressed. Each day brings new revelations. A big “shout out” needs to go to Kalle Lasn of Adbusters for providing the initial spark that created the Occupy movement.

  231. November 6, 2011 at 6:10 pm

    I am with you jr I count myself blessed to have lived to see this.

    have a peaceful day,
    Bill

  232. Mitch
    November 6, 2011 at 6:16 pm

    jr,

    Just my opinion, but any such shout-out needs to keep careful watch over what I consider to be his anti-semitism and that of his magazine. I hope it does not affect the movement.

  233. jr
    November 6, 2011 at 6:23 pm

    Mitch:
    That is a concern. I read Adbusters regularly, and will be more attuned to such comments. (I think the the movement has progressed well beyond the Albusters stage into a life of its own.)

  234. November 6, 2011 at 6:27 pm

    These young people seem to be working on inclusion and consensus rather than divisiveness.

    have a peaceful day,
    Bill

  235. November 6, 2011 at 7:21 pm

    What amazes me is that anyone will defend a 300 pound man putting his hands on a 5’4 woman.

    WTF people WTF?

  236. guest of mabel
    November 6, 2011 at 7:29 pm

    What amazes me Mark is that you watched that video and saw someones hands on someone else. At what point in the video did that happen?

  237. Anonymous
    November 6, 2011 at 7:31 pm

    “You might find you’d like some of those people very much if you sat down and spoke with them. Assumptions can be wrong.”

    This is funny coming from the guy who thinks the the media coverage was a setup to push a right wing agenda because the owner of the tv station is from Tennessee.

  238. Nielson rating group
    November 6, 2011 at 8:36 pm

    237 posts!!!! Well, Heraldo, this proves that you can get a huge response by putting ‘poop’ and ‘pee’ in the headline. Either one by itself won’t quite get it done. I’m going to pass this info on to Fox tv.

  239. November 6, 2011 at 8:40 pm

    Did you poop and pee on the bank?

  240. jr
    November 6, 2011 at 8:42 pm

    “Who pooped and peed on the bank” is the new rallying cry for Operation Wall Street. What a bunch of crap.

  241. Anonymous
    November 6, 2011 at 8:46 pm

    “Did you poop and pee on the bank?”

    Well, which bank? And when? You can’t pin this on me.

  242. Plain Jane
    November 6, 2011 at 8:48 pm

    “Why do you hate America” just doesn’t work any more, Jr. Is there a auto counter I don’t see or did Nielsen actually count the posts? What a loooooser.

  243. November 6, 2011 at 8:52 pm

    “Who pooped and peed on the bank” is the new rallying cry for Operation Wall Street.

    No, that’s the cry of EPD and channel 3.

  244. jr
    November 6, 2011 at 8:57 pm

    Sorry, I stand corrected. It actually is better than “the spirit of the North Coast”.

  245. Nielson rating group
    November 6, 2011 at 9:11 pm

    Now there are 244 posts!! And yes, actually, since you asked, there is an auto counter, which I am assuming to be accurate. And, no, nobody from Nielson pooped or peed on US Bank in Eureka.

  246. November 6, 2011 at 9:13 pm

    no, nobody from Nielson pooped or peed on US Bank in Eureka.

    That’s not an acceptable answer for Channel 3.

  247. mresquan
    November 6, 2011 at 9:20 pm

    If Channel 3 news was truly concerned about finding out who pooped or peed on the steps,why don’t they just ask the bank to show what should have come up on their Security cameras?

  248. Plain Jane
    November 6, 2011 at 10:07 pm

    That’s a good question, Msresquan. But then she wouldn’t have had an excuse to go on the poop patrol.

  249. Goldie
    November 6, 2011 at 10:12 pm

    If I remember correctly she says on the tape that the police have pictures. That’s gonna be an interesting mug shot.

  250. November 6, 2011 at 10:21 pm

    Maybe Murl will release the photo to see if anyone recognizes it.

  251. mresquan
    November 6, 2011 at 10:35 pm

    Goldie wrote,”If I remember correctly she says on the tape that the police have pictures.”

    So why was she harassing the protestors instead of working on a news report with the police,who if your account is correct,have the security tapes?I truly mean no offense to Ms.Lambert when I write that I think she may want to take some more courses in journalism if she wants her career to expand outside of smaller communities.

  252. Anonymous
    November 6, 2011 at 11:02 pm

    I’m kind of wondering if Mitch and Plain Jane pay taxes ? Like property tax or income tax? And yes I pay both.

  253. Anonymous
    November 6, 2011 at 11:45 pm

    The bums regularly poop and pee in almost all the doorways of downtown and old town. What is so special about the bank.

  254. Anonymous
    November 7, 2011 at 5:20 am

    I’m kinda wondering how 11:02 thinks anyone can live without paying taxes and what that has to do with the topic of this thread.

  255. Mitch
    November 7, 2011 at 6:21 am

    I’m pleased to award the NewsChannel 3 TRIPLE WEASEL to Anonymous 11:02.

    It has nothing to do with the topic of the thread, but it is an always available insult to throw at anyone who might recognize that the banks poop and pee on us. The insulting inference is that anyone who supports the protest must be a freeloader. I think it’s taught at Beck’s Bullshit Bar, but it rarely reaches such magnificent triple weasel form. This judge gives it a 10.

    The 11:02 version was an award-worthy TRIPLE WEASEL: posed by an Anonymous, preceded with “kind of wonder,” and asking a question purely in hopes of getting class warfare juices stirring in the stupidest.

    And yes, I pay both property and income taxes, though I stand in awe of legitimate tax protesters like Brian Willson. I regret that my taxes are used to fight wars on behalf of corporate America, to bail out the wealthiest when the casino calls in their bets, and to subsidize large corporations for doing things like turning food into an oil substitute.

  256. kim's dream
    November 7, 2011 at 7:20 am

    police are reportedly clearing tents from in front of court house

  257. November 7, 2011 at 7:38 am

    I went out for a jog this morning . Went past courthouse all the tents are gone. Just misc.debris now.

  258. November 7, 2011 at 7:52 am

    Channel 3 has the exclusive . Which may have been the point all along.

  259. Poopgate
    November 8, 2011 at 11:02 pm

    Mitch, I’ll provide the results of my FCC complaint to Heraldo, if you will too!

  260. November 29, 2011 at 8:21 pm

    It would seem as though KIEM has removed “Who Pooped and Peed on the Bank?” song parody from YouTube. Can they can do that? It used to be posted here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXAvqftzHBc

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