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Will the “Dairy Cliff” affect Humboldt?

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Humboldt pot growers may soon consider adding a cow or two.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-12-28/first-the-fiscal-cliff-now-the-dairy-cliff.html

…the arrival of 2013 may bring a doubling in the price of milk to as much as $6 to $8 a gallon, up from about $3.75. For this, you can thank Congress, which seems to have lost the ability to carry out its most basic functions, starting with passing legislation.

The source of the dairy cliff can be found in the failure of Congress to agree on a new farm bill, which is normally renewed every five years. Not this year, and the deadline for passing a new law expires Jan. 1.

The upshot is that the rules governing dairy price supports will revert to legislation adopted in 1949, forcing the government to purchase milk at elevated prices. With Washington soaking up milk, market prices would follow.

And a Bloomberg piece from this morning: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-12-31/farm-state-lawmakers-back-plan-to-avoid-dairy-cliff-price-jump.html

  1. Anonymous
    December 31, 2012 at 8:09 am

    Ending corporate welfare is a good thing. Don’t hold any illusions about Mom ‘n’ Pop dairies. The vast majority of milk originates from huge factory farms.

  2. just middle class
    December 31, 2012 at 8:14 am

    The farm bill was extended for one year several days ago, please read the news.

  3. Mitch
    December 31, 2012 at 8:16 am
  4. just middle finance
    December 31, 2012 at 8:20 am

    We don´t need no stinkin facts.

  5. Fact Checker
    December 31, 2012 at 8:40 am

    ¨Barnard — Lawmakers in Washington struck a last-minute deal yesterday to extend agriculture legislation for one year, putting to rest fears that Congressional inaction would lead to a potential doubling of retail milk prices next month….But Doton, like other dairy farmers, would prefer a five-year extension, which is how the bill is typically reauthorized.¨
    By Ben Conarck Valley News Staff Writer Monday, December 31, 2012

    http://www.vnews.com/home/3574916-95/farm-dairy-bill-farmers

  6. Mitch
    December 31, 2012 at 8:44 am

    Fact checker: read the headline of the piece you posted. “Striking a deal” is not the same as passing the legislation.

    And here’s a sentence from the article: “If Congress does not vote on an extension, which includes the supply inventory system, or the full bill by the end of the day today, the law could revert back to a version of the farm bill from the 1940s, a result that politicians and dairy farmers alike say would have a disastrous affect on milk prices.”

  7. Arcata Lame St Director
    December 31, 2012 at 8:44 am

    The cows ate my pot plants.

  8. Fact Checker
    December 31, 2012 at 8:47 am

    My apologies, I don´t speak Washington-speak. Regular folks think striking a deal is, well, a deal.

  9. Just Watchin
    December 31, 2012 at 8:47 am

    The “Factless” checker strikes once again !!

  10. Mitch
    December 31, 2012 at 8:48 am

    ALSD,

    New, from HumCorp: “Quiet Baby” brand milk. HumCorp, no GMOs ever!

    When we do damage, which we don’t, it’s COOL damage.

    Massive respect.

  11. just middle finance
    December 31, 2012 at 8:49 am

    ¨Ending corporate welfare is a good thing.¨
    Unless you are giving Trillion$ to Banksters, cuz it trickes down.

  12. Mitch
    December 31, 2012 at 8:50 am

    In Washington, “striking a deal” appears to mean that the parties to the deal have all received the necessary incentives (the legal ones, of course; breaking the law in the current era is completely unnecessary). It says nothing about whether the various party leaders have been sufficiently readied (in legal ways, of course, see above) to pass the legislation.

  13. Fact Checker
    December 31, 2012 at 8:57 am

    Mitch, searching for more on ¨Quiet Baby¨ but I can´t find anything. Help? (-from the blogger who likes facts more than speculation)

  14. Mitch
    December 31, 2012 at 9:02 am

    Fact Checker,

    “Quiet Baby” doesn’t come out until early 2015, so you have to use advanced Google features to check up on it. I guarantee you, though, that various former tree sitters will have garages just filled with Fisker Karmas thanks to their endorsement deals with RJR Nabisco’s ethical products division.

    WC Throne:
    “I never serve my kids anything but the best!”

  15. A pesky fact
    December 31, 2012 at 9:05 am

    I’ve been following this.

    The one proposal that none of the parties are willing to consider?

    Repealing the 49 law (or relevant sections) that requires the Feds to wreck milk prices.

    Funny how less government is never an option.

  16. Mitch
    December 31, 2012 at 9:18 am

    OK pesky, let’s see if we can find some common ground.

    The legislation that never gets repealed is generally the legislation that takes from large numbers of people in order to give to a few. Those who are able to make large campaign contributions have (at the very least) the ear of legislators in a position to protect them.

    The legislation that would easily be repealed is that which takes from those at the very tippy top to enable the bulk of the population to escape poverty. That’s why politicians like FDR and Barack Obama were forced to jump through ridiculous hoops to provide social welfare programs that, in other countries, can simply pass on their merits. That’s why Social Security is funded by a regressive tax, and is offered to billionaires as well as middle-class retirees. That’s why the health insurance industry continues to exist, despite its utter lack of contribution to health care in this country.

    You can tell how robust your democracy is by the ratio of legislation protecting those at the very top to legislation providing a safety net at the very bottom. Somehow, various European countries have succeeded where we have failed. It may have to do with the reality that those at the very top are all of one race and those at the bottom are perceived (incorrectly) to be mainly of other races.

    With Citizens United, the supreme court majority enshrined the destruction of what remained of our democracy. That’s made political repair extremely unlikely, and the President is going to get most of the blame from the left for not magically making things better.

  17. just middle finance
    December 31, 2012 at 9:28 am

    ¨Funny how less government is never an option.¨

    It is the Conservative platform. Except Trillion Dollar Bailout for Banksters who run their banks into the ground with extremely reckless lending policies while collecting multi-million dollar paychecks. And having Homeland Security watching everyone. Other than that, less government is always our option.

  18. December 31, 2012 at 9:42 am

    There is allot more at stake to this bill than just milk. The farm bill touches almost all rural communities in this country – and effects all americans (assuming you are someone who eats food and enjoys the many convinces of this county) . To me, the farm bill is the epitome of what government is supposed to do. So-called conservatives who believe a country can function in some sort of economic anarchy; and that soil conservation, crop rotation, water usage and monitoring will just magically all fall into place is stark mad. Name one society on earth who did not need a bureaucracy to manage any vast infrastructure. Remember the Dust Bowl? Thats what got this whole thing started in the first place.

  19. December 31, 2012 at 10:43 am

    When every decision is based on what is good for the very select few, instead of what is good for the vast majority; then it’s always going to be a mess. The looting of the treasury has been going on uninterrupted for what, 40 years now?

  20. Anonymous
    December 31, 2012 at 10:44 am

    I’ve heard from family in Kansas that the past 2 years have looked like a new dust bowl forming.

  21. Mitch
    December 31, 2012 at 10:53 am

    Anonymous,

    Tell Republicans in Kansas that it’s just another fraud from leftist scientists, and that God will provide. If they say they can see it with their own eyes, tell them they don’t have enough faith, and that corporate scientists are developing new strains of corn that prefer dust to soil. If they still complain, tell them it’s due to gay marriage, and they need to support Westboro Baptist Church.

  22. Anonymous
    December 31, 2012 at 12:47 pm

    just middle finance :
    ¨Ending corporate welfare is a good thing.¨
    Unless you are giving Trillion$ to Banksters, cuz it trickes down.

    Even if it means the doubling of the price of milk?

  23. December 31, 2012 at 12:56 pm

    Great program from Ken (Mr. Propaganda) Burns on the “Dust Bowl.” Can’t say I agree with his presentation of the motivation behind the policies that created the catastrophe, but he does a great job showing the results of it.

  24. Anonymous
    December 31, 2012 at 1:03 pm

    I read the other day that if we don’t start recycling human waste there is going to be a shortage of phosphorous and consequently massive starvation.

  25. just middle finance
    December 31, 2012 at 1:04 pm

    Do the math. Milk doubles, so my dairy related products bill doubles from say $500 to $1000 a year. My profits in my dairy stocks will go from $5,000 to $10,000 a year. The same goes for my Exxon/Mobile stock, and of course, the most profitable stocks in America, my Pharmaceutical stocks. My nickle and dime costs double and my dollar investments profits double.

  26. just middle finance
    December 31, 2012 at 1:08 pm

    The same goes for the American deficit. Being in the upper income tax bracket, I pay less taxes, the deficit goes up, and Uncle Sam comes to me to borrow money. Then the Middle Class taxpayers repay me. I don´t understand all this fuss about the deficit, you folks have good credit with me. The Working Class will pay their taxes, always.

  27. Mitch
  28. just middle finance
    December 31, 2012 at 1:25 pm

    Relax and read the article. 85 % of the world´s phosphorus is in Morocco. What the smart people will do is start buying phosphorous stock, I recommend United Phosphorous, UNIPHOS on the NSE currently trading at 130.25, up 1.45. Do the math, more nickle and dime costs while receiving more dollar profits.

  29. Update
    December 31, 2012 at 2:47 pm

    ¨A deal to avert some tax hikes and spending cuts appeared “within sight,” President Obama said. But lawmakers said NOTHING will pass before a midnight deadline.¨

  30. Brace Yourself
    December 31, 2012 at 2:52 pm

    ¨Why Your Paycheck is Getting Smaller, No Matter What

    Come 2013, most of the country’s 160 million workers will see smaller paychecks. No one is expecting the payroll tax cut to be extended, even as lawmakers in Washington meet for budget talks to avoid the fiscal cliff.

    Monthly paychecks will have $50 less for those earning $30,000 annually…¨

    http://money.cnn.com/2012/12/30/news/economy/payroll-tax-consumer/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

  31. Just Watchin
    December 31, 2012 at 3:14 pm

    Update :¨A deal to avert some tax hikes and spending cuts appeared “within sight,” President Obama said. But lawmakers said NOTHING will pass before a midnight deadline.¨

    When will Obama get out of campaign mode and act like a leader? He could have held a simple press conference today. Instead, he fills a room and backdrop with “middle class” democrats, and takes jabs at House Republicans, all while everyone in the room roars with laughter and applause. He doesn’t want an agreement…..he wants to go off the cliff and blame Republicans.

  32. I´m Curious
    December 31, 2012 at 3:36 pm

    I find it hard to believe that even Congress want America to go off the cliff. Maybe I´m gullible.

  33. Straight From TheSchoolofHardKnocks
    December 31, 2012 at 7:22 pm

    Quit injesting dairy products before your first heart attack. It only makes sense to quit now.

  34. Anonymous
    December 31, 2012 at 7:26 pm

    Straight From TheSchoolofHardKnocks :Quit injesting dairy products before your first heart attack. It only makes sense to quit now.

    Quit injesting dairy products before your first heart attack. It only makes sense to quit now.

    I agree. Strongly.

  35. just middle finance
    December 31, 2012 at 7:35 pm

    Relax, you don´t want to work yourself into a coranary. I gat a couple stock tips for you:

    Atrion Corporation (Nasdaq:ATRI : 195.99, 3.4)

    Yesterday ATRI closed at $197.07, compared with a 52-week range of $130.5 to $200.56. The current 52-week high was set on June 28, 2011.

    The company’s products range from ophthalmology and cardiovascular products to fluid delivery devices.

    St. Jude Medical Inc. (NYSE:STJ : 36.14, 0.7)

    Yesterday STJ closed trading at $47.61, compared with a 52-week range of $34.25 to $54.18. St. Jude Medical develops, manufactures and distributes cardiovascular medical devices for the global cardiac rhythm management, cardiology and cardiac surgery.

  36. just middle finance
    December 31, 2012 at 7:41 pm

    Sorry about the typos, I´m multi tasking here. Dump your Dehaier Medical Systems Ltd. stock, (Nasdaq:DHRM) loss of 23.64 percent!

  37. update
    December 31, 2012 at 7:56 pm

    Tentative ‘fiscal cliff’ deal reached in Senate

  38. Update
    December 31, 2012 at 8:53 pm

    ¨Fiscal Cliff Deal Reached: White House, Hill Leaders Agree To Delay Sequester By Two Months
    …The agreement also extends the farm bill for one year.¨

    Allegedly, one year, not five as usual. That means in 11 months, 29 days, American farmers will be waiting for Washington to act, again.

  39. Sigh
    December 31, 2012 at 8:57 pm

    ¨Notably, the fiscal package does nothing to address the debt ceiling, which the government just hit Monday.¨

  40. big butt
    December 31, 2012 at 9:24 pm

    Maybe this will make it through moderation

    from skinny be-atch

    “We are the only species on the planet that drinks milk as adults. We are also the only species on the planet that drinks the milk of another species.”

    ” When a woman gives birth, her body produces milk and she nurses her child. Breast milk can grow an 8-pound newborn into a 24-pound toddler. Sounds pretty fattening, huh? It is. By design, it is intended to allow for the biggest growth spurt of a person’s entire life. Breast milk alone can accommodate for a 300 percent weight gain in a 12 month period. When her child is anywhere from 12 to 24 months old, a mother stops breast feeding. Her milk dries up. The child will never drink breast milk ever again.

    Cows, like all mammals, are much the same. Their bodies produce milk only when they give birth. Contrary to popular belief, they do not need to be milked – ever. Their udders, like women’s breasts, exist even when there is no milk in them. There is one major difference, however. Cows’ milk, by design, grows a 90-pound calf into a 2,000-pound cow over the course of 2 years. It allows calves to double their birth weight in forty-seven days and leaves their four stomachs feeling full. Sounds even more fattening than human milk, right? It is. It should be. Cows are bigger than humans. And the inner workings of their bodies are completely different than ours, which they should be. They are cows. We are humans. Duh.”

  41. Anonymous
    December 31, 2012 at 9:43 pm

    Brace Yourself :
    ¨Why Your Paycheck is Getting Smaller, No Matter What
    Come 2013, most of the country’s 160 million workers will see smaller paychecks. No one is expecting the payroll tax cut to be extended, even as lawmakers in Washington meet for budget talks to avoid the fiscal cliff.
    Monthly paychecks will have $50 less for those earning $30,000 annually…¨
    http://money.cnn.com/2012/12/30/news/economy/payroll-tax-consumer/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

    OMG $50 PER YEAR! WHAT AM I GOING TO DO?

  42. Anonymous
    December 31, 2012 at 9:46 pm

    You people are a perfect example of the greed that is destroying this country.

    You’re so damned worried about your $50 per year that you are perfectly willing to saddle your children & granchildren’s generations with enormus national debt and a bankrupt country.

  43. Anonymous
    January 1, 2013 at 3:05 am

    “Monthly paychecks will have $50 less”

    “OMG $50 PER YEAR”

    $50 less per monthly pay check is $600 a year.

  44. the greed that is destroying this country
    January 1, 2013 at 6:53 am

    $30,000 a year means $2,500 per month or about $1,800 take home monthly. What are the chances that a family living on about $1,800 monthly has $50 extra each month to pay for America´s wars in Iraq and Afghanistan? Let me help you out: Their health care costs are going up, the costs of gasoline and utilities are going up, wages are stagnant, etc. Tell me again how bad and greedy the Working Americans are who are living it up on 30K a year are, please.

  45. Just Watchin
    January 1, 2013 at 6:55 am

    update :Tentative ‘fiscal cliff’ deal reached in Senate

    A “deal” in Washington is not a law.All taxes and no spending cuts?? This thing could very easily fall apart in the House.

  46. Ye ´ol Update
    January 1, 2013 at 7:06 am

    I agree. That is why I did not say ¨law¨. And I threw in ¨allegedly¨ also.
    Something I didn´t put in, that I have been reading this morning, is the Senate voted to approve this last night. The House has yet to vote AND key portions such as the ¨debt ceiling¨ have been postponed for two months so the Lemmings in Washington can take another run at the ¨cliff¨.

  47. Last Best Quote 2012
    January 1, 2013 at 7:09 am

    ¨Asked on the way out what his chief selling point had been, the vice president reportedly replied: “Me.”

  48. G. Gilbert Yule
    January 1, 2013 at 7:24 am

    Milk prices doubling, dust bowl in the Midwest, smaller paychecks, massive coronaries, a shortage of phosphorous and starvation!!! OH MY, FEAR!!!

    Really people, lighten up and Happy New Year.

  49. Anonymous
    January 1, 2013 at 7:46 am

    Why on earth do you bother reading news blogs if you don’t want to hear or talk about the news GG? Bury your head in the sand and keep telling yourself that problems don’t exist, but don’t come here and bitch about the people who refuse to put on the rose colored glasses and join you in your delusions.

  50. Anonymous
    January 1, 2013 at 7:49 am

    Putting a cap on deductions for the rich is the same as a spending cut. Cutting our “spending” on special interest tax breaks is better for the country than cutting programs that keep people fed and sheltered.

  51. I´m lighting up
    January 1, 2013 at 8:02 am

    ¨Under the accord, passed by the Senate early today, households making less than $450,000 per year would be spared an income tax rate increase….Payroll taxes would rise, to 6.2 percent from 4.2 percent last year.¨

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-01-01/senate-budget-pact-would-crimp-not-crush-u-s-growth.html

    Are we going to be ¨spared an income tax increase¨ or are our payroll taxes rising ¨to 6.2 percent from 4.2 percent last year¨?

  52. Anonymous
    January 1, 2013 at 8:05 am

    Payroll taxes aren’t income taxes and the 4.2 rate was TEMPORARY, remember?

  53. It´s not Bombing! It´s Air Support!
    January 1, 2013 at 8:16 am

    ¨Payroll taxes aren’t income taxes¨
    The Doublespeak Award give to public speakers who have perpetuated language that is deceptive, evasive, euphemistic, confusing & self-centered.

    http://www.ncte.org/volunteer/groups/publiclangcom/doublespeakaward

  54. Anonymous
    January 1, 2013 at 8:30 am

    Calling facts doublespeak doesn’t change the facts. Payroll taxes pay for Social Security which, as everyone knows, is going to run out of money even at 6.2 if they don’t raise the cap. Whining about the rate going back to it’s normal rate, which still isn’t enough to keep the system funded, and calling it a tax increase doesn’t give your complaints any credibility. There was a temporary 2% reduction in the rate that expired. That isn’t any more a tax increase than letting the temporary Bush tax cuts expire on incomes over $400 to 450,000.

  55. I´m Laughing
    January 1, 2013 at 8:42 am

    ¨Calling facts doublespeak doesn’t change the facts.¨

    The Pentagon agrees with you. Colonel David H. E. Opfer, USAF Press Officer in Cambodia after a U.S. bombing, he told some reporters, ¨You always write,it´s bombing, bombing, bombing! It´s not bombing, it´s air support.¨

    Yep, you are right. ¨doesn´t change the facts¨.

  56. January 1, 2013 at 11:21 am

    The truly scary part of this is that those so-called “leaders” in congress are no better at calling this, than the contributors to this thread. They may in fact be even worse.

  57. Your Neighbor
    January 1, 2013 at 11:27 am

    Congress ¨even worse¨ than your neighbors? Naw, we´re even worse.

  58. Anonymous
    January 2, 2013 at 7:35 am

    Your Neighbor :
    Congress ¨even worse¨ than your neighbors? Naw, we´re even worse.

    Yes you are. Now cut your lawn, get your car off those blocks or move please.

  59. January 5, 2013 at 10:40 am

    There’s no definition of the word “income” in the IRC (Internal Revenue Code).
    IT’S A VOLUNTARY TAX. Well, other than Excise tax – they are all ‘voluntary.’

    big butt,
    I held that exact same thinking regarding “milk is for calves” throughout most of my life – including raising four children. Early last year I had a tooth that was bothering me, and for some reason I craved Humboldt Buttermilk. At the same time, I got online and ordered the book “Cure Tooth Decay.” On about page 23 or so – there it told of all of the ‘teeth’ benefits of buttermilk, (grass fed cows). Then, alas, a few months later Humboldt Buttermilk disappeared from the shelves. Oh yeah, there’s the 1% Berkeley Buttermilk – paleeeeeze! Now, Humboldt Half and Half is waning. What next, Humboldt Butter?

  60. Just Watchin
    January 5, 2013 at 10:50 am

    Queenie…..first you make the jump from the definition of the word “income” to dental issues, and then blame your rotten teeth on buttermilk disappearing from the grocer’s shelves.

  61. Just Watchin
    January 5, 2013 at 10:52 am

    It´s not Bombing! It´s Air Support! :¨Payroll taxes aren’t income taxes¨The Doublespeak Award give to public speakers who have perpetuated language that is deceptive, evasive, euphemistic, confusing & self-centered.http://www.ncte.org/volunteer/groups/publiclangcom/doublespeakaward

    It depends on what your definition of the word “is” is.

  62. January 5, 2013 at 11:31 am

    Where’s the sock?

  63. Anonymous
    January 5, 2013 at 7:57 pm

    Forest Queen :
    There’s no definition of the word “income” in the IRC (Internal Revenue Code).
    IT’S A VOLUNTARY TAX. Well, other than Excise tax – they are all ‘voluntary.’
    big butt,

    A lot of people have gone to jail or paid fortunes in fines for believing that stupid nonsense.

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