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Anti-choice Protesters Planning 40 Day Harassment of Planned Parenthood

From Six Rivers Planned Parenthood Facebook Page

For the first time ever the national Right to Life’s 40 Days of Life campaign has come to Humboldt County. Anti-choice protesters are planning to imagesvisit our Health Center every day for 40 days – carrying signs, handing out misleading information, video taping & photographing our patients and may even yell hurtful things.  Their presence harasses our staff and intimidates our patients so we’re fighting back by launching a PLEDGE-A-PICKETER campaign!

Join the Pledge-A-Picket campaign by pledging a set amount for each day the Six Rivers Planned Parenthood health center is picketed between February 13 – March 24, 2013 or Make a one-time donation toward the campaign. More info here: http://www.plannedparenthood.org/srpp/pledge-picketer-campaign-40956.htm

Posted by Kathy

  1. HUUFC
    February 13, 2013 at 10:03 pm

    Hey,
    it’s a free country.

  2. Ponder Z
    February 13, 2013 at 10:10 pm

    Hey, Kathy, have you ever looked up the definition of Eugenics? You are a practitioner of the science.

  3. Ponder Z
    February 13, 2013 at 10:10 pm

    being murdered is hurtful.

  4. Kathy Srabian
    February 13, 2013 at 10:22 pm

    I will let them know not to expect your donation.

  5. February 13, 2013 at 11:46 pm

    Wouldn’t it be better to organize counter demonstrations? I’d do it.

  6. February 13, 2013 at 11:55 pm

    So is being gunned down in your own home, pregnant or not, or seeing your children slaughtered before your eyes, or being unlucky enough to live in a building targeted by one of our Drones. True Pro-Lifer’s are against abortion of course. But they are also against capital punishment, and war, and drone strikes. But what you hypocrites are interested in is blocking abortion services for the poor (because you’re too stupid to realize that abortion is a routine procedure practiced by 95% of all OB-GYN Doctors in this country. But the rich have the privilege of privacy. The poor go to Planned Parenthood (and, PP provides other services — the full range of women’s health services. Only about 2-3% of their services are abortions). No, these hypocrites are interested in these babies only for as long as they are in the womb. They want to keep the poor, poor, and producing canon fodder for our wars.

  7. Anonymous
    February 14, 2013 at 3:02 am

    Your right Ellis, unborn life that cannot defend itself should not have a choice. These clinics snuff out life at a rate, the Nazi’s would be proud of. More than the other sources you mention. Nor does war reach or kill most of these babies. Part of your fallacy is you think people like killing of any type. The problem is wishing war will go away will not may it do so. There is enemies out there that will not stop their hate of America. They do not care for the “choice” we have here. They do not care for women, or their care. Go ahead and stop the war to see how far that will get you. Look to Afaganistan, etc and tell me you are willing to have acid thrown in the faces of women, women killed here in America because you do not want war to defend our freedoms. Anytime killing is “routine” should give one pause. The killing by our soldiers is by large is not routine. Every face they touch haunts them. Not so for abortionists, the lives they kill is easily explained away.

  8. February 14, 2013 at 4:28 am

    1) A dead Afghan baby is just as dead as one that is aborted. 2) We haven’t had a war to defend our freedoms since WW2. Every one since has been a war for profit (It’s interesting how Halliburten made out like bandits thanks to the Iraq war, then moved their HQ from the US to Bahrain. Real patriots there). 3) Abortions that do not happen in clinics happen every day in the offices of private OB-GYN Docs. The Iraq war was based on false information (LIES). 4) Monotheistic religions generally do not care for women. It’s just that some (fundamentalist Islam or Christian) are worse than others. Fundy’s of all kinds view women as property to be used or abused and forced to make babies for the war machines, who are then best kept poor so they will surely enlist to go off and kill brown people across the sea. You people are hypocrites from the word go, worshipping the same blood thirsty god, whether you call him Allah or Yahweh. His crimes, the are enumerated in your Bible, and frankly there is no difference between Yahweh or Satan. From my reading of the book (I was a “Born again Xtian” for 15 years) Yahweh is guilty of murder, genocide, and a number of other crimes he himself outlawed. You worship Satan. You are deceived. See my blog for chapter 1 of why I am not a Xtian: http://redwoodcoastviews.blogspot.com/2012/12/why-i-am-not-christian.html

  9. A pesky fact
    February 14, 2013 at 6:15 am

    The proper term is pro-life, not anti-choice.

    Your use of biased hate-speech to dehumanize those trying to pray and save babies indicates the weakness of your position.

  10. Ponder Z
    February 14, 2013 at 6:21 am

    Ellis, if your thinking is correct, anti abortionists would be happy to see the poor, undesirables, and minorities, not be reproducing. Do you see the flaw in your analogy?

  11. A pesky fact
    February 14, 2013 at 6:24 am

    Ellis,

    Just because Obama kills babies abroad doesn’t mean it’s okay for babies to be killed in the redwoods.

    It seems that, when confronted with the wrongness of killing babies, you decided to belittle the people who pointed out to you that babies were being killed.

    That seems like one of those attempts to dismiss the message because you dont like the messenger.

    Okay, so you got someone to take your troll bait, and you got to use your anti-Christian hate speech. But what about the children?

    Even though blacks and Hispanics make up only 30% of the population, they make up 70% of abortions. Why do you hate black/brown children so much as to wipe them about by the millions?

    Why do you agree with Margaret Sanger (who attended KKK rallies) in wanting to wipe out the lesser races? Why?

  12. Bingo
    February 14, 2013 at 6:41 am

    Just Watchin :
    Will the “Pledge-A-Picket” money be used to offset some of the government funding? Or maybe use it to pay a bonus to the pregnant welfare mothers that come in for an abortion.

    Oscar Pistorius should have murdered his girlfriend in Florida right? He was just standing his ground right? No problem. Florida seems to have a surplus of racists, misogynists and just plain nuts.

  13. A pesky fact
    February 14, 2013 at 6:54 am

    The irony of this post immediately following a “no violence against women” post is extreme.

    50%+ of abortions are committed against women. They were alive, then they were dead. Often because a boyfriend threatened the mother, or because the overaged rapist wants to cover up his rape of an underaged girl, or gender selection (read: anti-woman).

    And often it’s a woman hating male doctor getting rich off these things.

    Time to end violence against women. Tine to end abortion. Women deserve better than abortion.

  14. Just Watchin
    February 14, 2013 at 6:54 am

    Bingo :

    Just Watchin :Will the “Pledge-A-Picket” money be used to offset some of the government funding? Or maybe use it to pay a bonus to the pregnant welfare mothers that come in for an abortion.

    Oscar Pistorius should have murdered his girlfriend in Florida right? He was just standing his ground right? No problem. Florida seems to have a surplus of racists, misogynists and just plain nuts.

    It appears that Pistorius shot the girl thinking she was an intruder. Get your facts straight before you point your libtard finger.And why the reference to Florida? You just had a whack job killing cops and innocent citizens in your fruitcake state.

  15. Anonymous
    February 14, 2013 at 7:00 am

    Just Watchin would definitely donate if it paid a bonus to poor women for getting abortions. Most of us will donate to keep women free to make their own choices and take a stand against lies and intimidation.

  16. A pesky fact
    February 14, 2013 at 7:16 am

    Anon,

    I agree. It’s just morally wrong the way PP lies to women, and intimidates women, just to make money and fulfil Margaret Sanger’s racist vision of eliminating the lesser races.

    Women deserve better than abortion.

  17. Anonymous
    February 14, 2013 at 7:25 am

    Sure, Pesky. They deserve access to contraceptive services, nonviolent homes, decent educations and good jobs, all of which reduce the numbers of abortions. Abortion is not a good method of birth control. It is very expensive and hard on women, but not as expensive or as hard on women as giving birth and children they don’t want and can’t support.

  18. Bingo
    February 14, 2013 at 7:28 am

    Just Watchin :.And why the reference to Florida?

    Really? Didn’t you just say here a couple of days ago that you didn’t give a shit about Humboldt? Here’s a clue, I don’t give a shit about Florida either, other than then normal care I have for my fellow human beings. One day the normal people around you will start laughing at you. Until then they will suffer in Florida like they do in any apartheid state. Stand your ground laws are just 21st century lynch laws, legalizing the murder of black people.

  19. Anonymous
    February 14, 2013 at 7:29 am

    Where did you get the impression that post #16 was in any way saying that PP lies or tries to intimidate women? Do you really think they do more abortions on non-white than white women? If you had any facts at your disposal you wouldn’t be so pesky.

  20. Elizabeth Thompson
    February 14, 2013 at 7:46 am

    The money raised through the “Pledge a Picket” campaign could end up being used to help bolster the clinic’s education programs that suffered devastating cuts in funding a while back. So thanks anti-choicers for helping ensure that Humboldt students will all receive accurate age appropriate sex education!

  21. A pesky fact
    February 14, 2013 at 7:51 am

    According to both the CDC and PP, blacks (some 12-13% of the population), obtain some 30-35% of abortion.

    Hispanics (12-13% of population) obtain some 20-25% of abortion.

    Whites (65% of the population) obtain less than 50% of abortions.

    Margaret Sanger, the foundress of planned parenthood (then called the American Eugenics Society) was an open advocate of eliminating the “lesser” races. To this day PP carries out her mission of eliminating blacks.

    Facts are pesky things, aren’t they?

    Why do you support black and Hispanic genocide? That’s racist.

  22. Anonymous
    February 14, 2013 at 7:58 am

    I support the right of black and Hispanic women to make their own choices, just like white women. I don’t think they need people like you trying to make their decisions for them as if they aren’t as capable as you are. That’s racist. Margaret Sanger’s views on anything are irrelevant. She’s been dead for years now.

  23. February 14, 2013 at 7:59 am

    A pesky fact :
    The proper term is pro-life, not anti-choice.
    Your use of biased hate-speech to dehumanize those trying to pray and save babies indicates the weakness of your position.

    No, it is anti choice. You people are a scary dangerous lot.
    Think Dr Tiller.

    I know I will be there at least one day, please dear lord, let one of the anti choice assholes step up that day.

  24. February 14, 2013 at 8:01 am

    A pesky fact :
    The irony of this post immediately following a “no violence against women” post is extreme.
    50%+ of abortions are committed against women. They were alive, then they were dead. Often because a boyfriend threatened the mother, or because the overaged rapist wants to cover up his rape of an underaged girl, or gender selection (read: anti-woman).
    And often it’s a woman hating male doctor getting rich off these things.
    Time to end violence against women. Tine to end abortion. Women deserve better than abortion.

    Blatant false statement
    .

  25. February 14, 2013 at 8:04 am

    A pesky fact :
    Anon,
    I agree. It’s just morally wrong the way PP lies to women, and intimidates women, just to make money and fulfil Margaret Sanger’s racist vision of eliminating the lesser races.
    Women deserve better than abortion.

    Yet another myth/hoax.
    The photo is a fake.

    http://brane-space.blogspot.com/2010/02/recognizing-fake-photos.html

  26. Anonymous
    February 14, 2013 at 8:07 am

    What would those figures look like if they were listed by income level instead of race? It’s poor people who get the most abortions and most are due to lack of family planning services. That so many minorities are poverty stricken is another issue. Planned Parenthood prevents far more unwanted pregnancies than they terminate, prevent and treat STD’s, do PAP smears, etc. Intimidating the users of Planned Parenthood, including teenagers just going in to get birth control advice, is despicable.

  27. February 14, 2013 at 8:11 am

    “Sanger believed that lighter-skinned races were superior to darker-skinned races (which was common at the time0, but would not tolerate bigotry among her staff, nor any refusal to work within interracial projects.[94] Her contemporaries in the African-American community supported her efforts. In 1929, James H. Hubert, a black social worker and leader of New York’s Urban League, asked Sanger to open a clinic in Harlem.[95] Sanger secured funding from the Julius Rosenwald Fund and opened the clinic, staffed with African-American doctors, in 1930. The clinic was directed by a 15-member advisory board consisting of African-American doctors, nurses, clergy, journalists, and social workers. The clinic was publicized in the African-American press and African-American churches, and received the approval of W. E. B. Du Bois, founder of the NAACP.[96] Sanger’s work with minorities earned praise from Martin Luther King, Jr., in his 1966 acceptance speech for the Margaret Sanger award.[97]

    From 1939 to 1942 Sanger was an honorary delegate of the Birth Control Federation of America, which included a supervisory role — alongside Mary Lasker and Clarence Gamble — in the Negro Project, an effort to deliver birth control to poor African Americans.[98] Sanger wanted the Negro Project to include black ministers in leadership roles, but other supervisors did not. To emphasize the benefits of involving black community leaders, she wrote to Gamble “we do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members.” This quote has been mistakenly used by Angela Davis, to support her claims that Sanger wanted to exterminate black people.[99] However, New York University’s Margaret Sanger Papers Project, clarifies that Sanger, in writing that letter, “recognized that elements within the black community might mistakenly associate the Negro Project with racist sterilization campaigns in the Jim Crow South, unless clergy and other community leaders spread the word that the Project had a humanitarian aim.”[100]“

  28. GoToHell
    February 14, 2013 at 8:22 am

    Wow, the disinformation brigade known as the anti-abortion crowd you’re not fucking pro life, you’re anti abortion and anti-health) is in full throat this morning. More god-bothering fuckwits who believe they have right to tell other human beings what they can do with their bodies.

    A blastocyst is not a baby, because if it were you’d have to find another God, you know, the non-existent being you worship who aborts pregnancies at an alarming rate, you do know that, don’t you? Oops, there i go using sense and facts against shit heels lying for jesus and claiming piety in the face of decency, claiming a moral high ground as they dig themselves ever deeper into an abyss of hateful and wilfull ignorance.

  29. A pesky fact
    February 14, 2013 at 8:24 am

    Mark,

    I think you’re very clever. If you trick the lesser races into eliminating themselves, then you’re totally not caught being racist!

    Face it mark. You support genocide. You are in the same camp as the pro-genocide Germans, the pro-slavery Americans, and the pro-KKK southerners.

    Why do you hate brown and black people do much? Why do you support killing disproportionate amounts of black and brown babies?

    Fact: planned parenthoods original name is the American eugenics society.
    Fact: you support the American eugenics society.
    Fact: you’re racist.

  30. GoToHell
    February 14, 2013 at 8:50 am

    Fact: the anti-abortion crowd is a group of people who have no respect for the sanctity of another human being.
    Fact: the anti-abortionists are god-bothering fuckwits who don’t understand basic biology
    Fact: the anti-abortion crowd is a clown car full of hateful dipshits who have no understanding of gestation
    Fact: the anti-abortion crowd is a collection of misinformed and fact-challenged assholes who ignore reason, fact and science in an effort to push a ridiculous religious agenda
    Fact: the anti-abortion crowd wears its ignorance proudly
    Fact: you’re a blithering idiot, but hey, stick with the bullshit at least it keeps you busy and that means you won’t reproduce and that means fewer of the your pig-ignorant progeny fouling our society

  31. Anonymous
    February 14, 2013 at 8:50 am

    Pesky doesn’t know what to do with facts. He should change his name to Pesky Beliefs.

  32. Just Watchin
    February 14, 2013 at 9:07 am

    GoToHell :Fact: the anti-abortion crowd is a group of people who have no respect for the sanctity of another human being.Fact: the anti-abortionists are god-bothering fuckwits who don’t understand basic biologyFact: the anti-abortion crowd is a clown car full of hateful dipshits who have no understanding of gestationFact: the anti-abortion crowd is a collection of misinformed and fact-challenged assholes who ignore reason, fact and science in an effort to push a ridiculous religious agendaFact: the anti-abortion crowd wears its ignorance proudlyFact: you’re a blithering idiot, but hey, stick with the bullshit at least it keeps you busy and that means you won’t reproduce and that means fewer of the your pig-ignorant progeny fouling our society

    Such language!! I hope your mother doesn’t read this blog. If this is how you act around her, she probably wishes she would have had an abortion.

  33. Just Watchin
    February 14, 2013 at 9:12 am

    Bingo :

    Just Watchin :.And why the reference to Florida?

    Really? Didn’t you just say here a couple of days ago that you didn’t give a shit about Humboldt? Here’s a clue, I don’t give a shit about Florida either, other than then normal care I have for my fellow human beings. One day the normal people around you will start laughing at you. Until then they will suffer in Florida like they do in any apartheid state. Stand your ground laws are just 21st century lynch laws, legalizing the murder of black people.

    WOOHOO…… a Trayvon fan!! And Florida is a apartheid state? LMFAO. This is why I come here. You libtards crack me up !!!

  34. anoni-truth-seeker
    February 14, 2013 at 9:12 am

    Actually Pesky…………it’s you that’s racist and believe in class warfare if you think that disrupting PP is contributing to your Anti-Choice efforts. PP’s services (of which 2 – 3% is providing abortions) allow low-income women to get quality health care. Why don’t you take some time and actually look at all the services that they provide. And who they provide them to. Of course, being the Religious Zealot that you are, I doubt that you want facts to obscure your mission. And as for Pro-Life….Ha! Just look at the list of Doctors who have been murdered and all the attempted murders in the name of your “righteous” calling, your mission from God. My favorite Pro-Choice slogan has always been…………”Against Abortion, Don’t Have One.” Pesky Facts should use the moniker “Pesky Facts That Support My Vision Of How Everybody Else Should Act Because I Understand The Bible And You Don’t” Yeh, it’s a long name, but it’s accurate.

  35. Just Watchin
    February 14, 2013 at 9:15 am

    And by the way Bingo, I didn’t say that I didn’t give a shit about Humboldt. I believe I said that I didn’t give a shit what Humboldt businesses paid their employees.

  36. A pesky fact
    February 14, 2013 at 9:50 am

    Anoni– what about all the good things that fascist Germany did?!

    That PP may do other things is irrelevant.

    What is relevant is that among the things they do (chief among then too) is kill colored babies, just as Margaret Sanger wanted.

    Disparate Impact. Can you dig it?

    Why are you making excuses for your racism? Last year some 250,000 blacks died from the leading causes of death. And 500,000 blacks were aborted.

    Twice as many died at the hands of profiteering big money corporate abortion businesses like PP as from all the other major causes combined.

    Were there no abortion, there would be some 15 million more blacks in our society than are currently present. The blatant racist plan to wipe out the lesser races rolls ever forward with the glorious support of people like you.

    Why do you hate black people so much as to support their elimination?

  37. Anonymous
    February 14, 2013 at 9:59 am

    There is no reasoning with a misinformed zealot. He wants to deny all women reproductive choice and disguise it as a concern that there aren’t enough poor people of color. Not trying to invoke Godwin’ s law, but since Pesky already did with his eugenics nonsense, abortion was illegal in Nazi Germany.

  38. Mitch
    February 14, 2013 at 10:18 am

    pesky,

    People who are pro-choice are not forcing anyone to abort unwanted pregnancies. They are allowing people to make their own decisions, which you do not feel they are entitled to make.

    I understand that you view aborted fetuses as having God-given souls from the moment of conception, and I can understand why that makes you passionate about the abortion issue. But please stop making demonstrably false assertions about the motives of Planned Parenthood today.

    If you sincerely believe that fetuses have God-given souls, try to convince women of that. Women who believe that will not desire abortions. Or devote your efforts to providing more alternatives to poor women. Don’t try to force your theology on others by making laws that would allow the Church to control men’s and women’s bodies against the will of the owners of the bodies.

  39. anoni-truth-seeker
    February 14, 2013 at 10:31 am

    Pesky sez, “Can’t make sense right now….got my God Goggles on.”

    Hey gals…….Pesky knows what’s right for you.

  40. Anonymous
    February 14, 2013 at 11:29 am

    Give women information, and if they decide they need to abort a fetus, allow that choice to be between them (including whatever religion-based philosophy they may hold) and their medical care providers. Faith ain’t fact, as any responsible priest will admit.

  41. February 14, 2013 at 11:46 am

    A pesky fact :
    Mark,
    I think you’re very clever. If you trick the lesser races into eliminating themselves, then you’re totally not caught being racist!
    Face it mark. You support genocide. You are in the same camp as the pro-genocide Germans, the pro-slavery Americans, and the pro-KKK southerners.
    Why do you hate brown and black people do much? Why do you support killing disproportionate amounts of black and brown babies?
    Fact: planned parenthoods original name is the American eugenics society.
    Fact: you support the American eugenics society.
    Fact: you’re racist.

    Fact: There is only one race, it’s called human.
    Fact: I am mixed ethnicity. (in your little fucked up world “mixed race”.
    Fact: You are a coward that hides behind an anonymous log in.
    Fact: I am going to be down at Planned Parenthood to make sure those asshats don not start shit.
    Fact: We will be bringing sheets to block their cameras.
    Fact: Please come on out and introduce yourself in person, if you have a set.

  42. February 14, 2013 at 11:52 am

    Another fact Pesky, what you did there is called an AD HOMINEM attack. It is the tool of the weak debater.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

  43. February 14, 2013 at 1:22 pm

    Just look at all the dumb ass “conservatives” being assholes in the name of being anti-something-liberal. hahaha!

    Im pretty sure Ive heard allot of these “pro-life” bloggers above say really anti-life things when its fits their agenda. Get over it. You really care about poor fetuses that would otherwise be born into a world where they would depend on the entitlements you hate so much? I call bullshit on all of the above’s ‘care for life’. Its just a wedge issue.

    Keep making those assault rifles! Its about life and god and the constitution and stuff!

  44. Just Watchin
    February 14, 2013 at 1:36 pm

    bolithio :
    Just look at all the dumb ass “conservatives” being assholes in the name of being anti-something-liberal. hahaha!
    Im pretty sure Ive heard allot of these “pro-life” bloggers above say really anti-life things when its fits their agenda. Get over it. You really care about poor fetuses that would otherwise be born into a world where they would depend on the entitlements you hate so much? I call bullshit on all of the above’s ‘care for life’. Its just a wedge issue.
    Keep making those assault rifles! Its about life and god and the constitution and stuff!

    I think bolithio hit it on the head! Every abortion on a welfare mother saves the taxpayers from having to support another deadbeat for for the rest of their life. Like I said before, we should be giving them a bonus.

  45. February 14, 2013 at 3:17 pm

    Ok, so Margaret Sanger believed some stupid things. That’s a reason to attack PP? So it’s all about race, and PP disproportionally provides abortions to blacks and hispanics. Is that your theory? If so it falls apart when you look at the census figures for Humboldt County, which the Six Rivers Planned Parenthood facility serves. If all PP does is abortions, and if they mainly do them for non-white folks, this clinic in this county would go broke: http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/06/06023.html There aren’t enough “people of color” in the county to support it. Basic business plan. Therefore they must serve more white women then any others. Humboldt even has a 10% higher white population than California as a whole.

    It’s not about race. It’s about income inequality. It’s about the desire of Xtian Republican/Fascists to have an ample supply of babies of all colors to fight their wars in 18 years. It’s about returning to the “good old days” when women were property. It’s about imposing a misogynistic religion on the whole country. A religion no better than Taliban Islam. And they fear Sharia Law? ROFLMFAO!

    Margaret Sanger believed some stupid things. Well, believing that a Jewish Zombie who was his own father (incest?) can make you live forever if you drink his blood and eat his flesh (cannibalism?) and telepathically accept him as your master so that he can remove an evil force from you that is present because an ancestor of yours was a rib woman whom a talking snake told to eat an apple from a magic tree. That’s pretty damn stupid too.

    As origin myths go, I prefer the BSG version. Much more plausible.

  46. February 14, 2013 at 3:29 pm

    These people are a lot like the Occupy Eureka bunch. Demonstrating at an irrelevant place for an cause that doesn’t even make sense on the North Coast. The local branch of PP performs maybe 1 abortion a year. Mostly they provide health care for poor women and HSU students.

    Speaking of atrocities, here is a list of those committed by the “god” that these idiots worship: http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/donald_morgan/atrocity.html (with chapter and verse citations from their unholy book).

  47. Steven
    February 14, 2013 at 3:30 pm

    I road my bike out there around 2:00 today (Thursday). There were two people holding anti-choice signs on one corner and another person across the street telling me to ignore them. A minute later on my way back out, no one was there, only a couple of signs propped up on the sidewalk.

  48. Steven
    February 14, 2013 at 3:45 pm

    Edit: I RODE my bike out there.

  49. Anonymous
    February 14, 2013 at 5:59 pm

    Or maybe we should call her, Steven and some others here “pro death” advocates?

  50. Anonymous
    February 14, 2013 at 6:52 pm

    Great comments Eryrcoedengoch.

  51. Anonymoose
    February 14, 2013 at 10:36 pm

    Ellis Arseneau :
    So is being gunned down in your own home, pregnant or not, or seeing your children slaughtered before your eyes, or being unlucky enough to live in a building targeted by one of our Drones. True Pro-Lifer’s are against abortion of course. But they are also against capital punishment, and war, and drone strikes. But what you hypocrites are interested in is blocking abortion services for the poor (because you’re too stupid to realize that abortion is a routine procedure practiced by 95% of all OB-GYN Doctors in this country. But the rich have the privilege of privacy. The poor go to Planned Parenthood (and, PP provides other services — the full range of women’s health services. Only about 2-3% of their services are abortions). No, these hypocrites are interested in these babies only for as long as they are in the womb. They want to keep the poor, poor, and producing canon fodder for our wars.

    You do not understand the difference between innocent life and non innocent. In addition if al-Qaeda or the nazis put their murderous weapons in the midst of innocents and those innocents are later killed in attacks, it is not us who killed the innocents but the barbarics who hid behind them.

  52. February 15, 2013 at 8:32 am

    Anonymoose :

    Ellis Arseneau :
    So is being gunned down in your own home, pregnant or not, or seeing your children slaughtered before your eyes, or being unlucky enough to live in a building targeted by one of our Drones. True Pro-Lifer’s are against abortion of course. But they are also against capital punishment, and war, and drone strikes. But what you hypocrites are interested in is blocking abortion services for the poor (because you’re too stupid to realize that abortion is a routine procedure practiced by 95% of all OB-GYN Doctors in this country. But the rich have the privilege of privacy. The poor go to Planned Parenthood (and, PP provides other services — the full range of women’s health services. Only about 2-3% of their services are abortions). No, these hypocrites are interested in these babies only for as long as they are in the womb. They want to keep the poor, poor, and producing canon fodder for our wars.

    You do not understand the difference between innocent life and non innocent. In addition if al-Qaeda or the nazis put their murderous weapons in the midst of innocents and those innocents are later killed in attacks, it is not us who killed the innocents but the barbarics who hid behind them.

    Did you say the same thing when Tim McVeigh blew up the Oklahoma Federal Building? Those feds hid behind children there too you know…

  53. Anonymous
    February 15, 2013 at 9:09 am

    The cities of Nagasaki and Hiroshima didn’t have military hiding behind civilians. The bombs were dropped on the cities, not on the military. That their first choice was Kyoto, which had no military significance and neither did Nagasaki or Hiroshima which were virtually untouched by previous bombing raids is evidence that all those people were incinerated and generations irreparably damaged as a demonstration to the world of US power. They didn’t want anyone to be confused over how much damage our bombs could do. Barbaric? You decide.

  54. HUUFC
    February 15, 2013 at 9:37 am

    Not barbaric, I’ve decided.

  55. Kathy
    February 15, 2013 at 9:37 am

    Yes, we are a violent society. In many cases we are have become blind to what violence is. The Rise Up events are planned to open eyes to voilence against women world wide. The media ignores requests from the people for peace. ****Ten years ago today, the world saw what was by some accounts the largest single coordinated protest in history. Roughly ten to fifteen million people (estimates vary widely) assembled and marched in more than six hundred cities: as many as three million flooded the streets of Rome; more than a million massed in London and Barcelona; an estimated 200,000 rallied in San Francisco and New York. From Auckland to Vancouver—and everywhere in between—tens of thousands came out, joining their voices in one simple, global message: No to the Iraq War.

    Read more: http://world.time.com/2013/02/15/viewpoint-why-was-the-biggest-protest-in-world-history-ignored/#ixzz2KzSpVtiA

  56. Just Watchin
    February 15, 2013 at 10:35 am

    Anonymous :The cities of Nagasaki and Hiroshima didn’t have military hiding behind civilians. The bombs were dropped on the cities, not on the military. That their first choice was Kyoto, which had no military significance and neither did Nagasaki or Hiroshima which were virtually untouched by previous bombing raids is evidence that all those people were incinerated and generations irreparably damaged as a demonstration to the world of US power. They didn’t want anyone to be confused over how much damage our bombs could do. Barbaric? You decide.

    The bombing of Tokyo resulted in more casualties than either Nagasaki or Hiroshima. You are right though in saying it was done ” as a demonstration to the world of US power”. The intent, and result, was to get Japan to surrender before anymore US soldiers were killed. You could call any war “barbaric”. Like the saying goes…..”war is hell”.

  57. HUUFC
    February 15, 2013 at 10:41 am

    According to Wikipeda the last year cited 2008, there were 825,564 abortions in the United States. Since 1970 there have been almost 50 million abortions.

    Some were medically necessary but most were for convenience. As the President said, so that his daughters would not be burdened with a baby. If those numbers and the casualness of Mr.Obama statement don’t demonstrate a deep seated problem with the American society I don’t know what does.

  58. Anonymous
    February 15, 2013 at 10:52 am

    The “deep seated problem with American society,” in your opinion, is that too many women don’t have babies they can’t afford to raise and don’t want? Contraception is a better, safer and cheaper alternative to abortion, but forcing women to bear children against their will is slavery.

  59. Anonymous
    February 15, 2013 at 10:55 am

    If, horror of horrors, the US had ended up losing the war, do you doubt Truman and the entire Joint Chiefs of Staff and upper echelon military, including the crew which delivered the bombs, would have been tried and convicted of crimes against humanity for using nuclear weapons against civilian populations to terrorize the rest of the world into submission?

  60. HUUFC
    February 15, 2013 at 11:13 am

    “If, horror of horrors, the US had ended up losing the war, do you doubt Truman and the entire Joint Chiefs of Staff and upper echelon military, including the crew which delivered the bombs, would have been tried and convicted of crimes against humanity for using nuclear weapons against civilian populations to terrorize the rest of the world into submission?”

    What a ridiculous statement, The United States was never going to lose the war with Japan anyways. And as you know we didn’t. It ended the war, ask any sane WWII veteran waiting to be deployed in the invasion of Japan if he supported the decision to use the weapons we had devolved.

  61. HUUFC
    February 15, 2013 at 11:14 am

    #58 re-read my post I did’t say anything you attribute to me.

  62. Just Watchin
    February 15, 2013 at 11:24 am

    Anonymous :If, horror of horrors, the US had ended up losing the war, do you doubt Truman and the entire Joint Chiefs of Staff and upper echelon military, including the crew which delivered the bombs, would have been tried and convicted of crimes against humanity for using nuclear weapons against civilian populations to terrorize the rest of the world into submission?

    You single out nuclear weapons. Bombs are bombs….nuclear were just more efficient. Civilian deaths in war are collateral damage. But if Japan had won, I doubt there would have been trials…..just convictions and executions. Instead, we win and pay to help them rebuild their country. Forget ” crimes against humanity”. Try watching a (vietnamese)”friendly civilian” kill your friend with a grenade strapped to his body, then tell me what is “barbaric”.

  63. February 15, 2013 at 11:36 am

    If those numbers and the casualness of Mr.Obama statement don’t demonstrate a deep seated problem with the American society I don’t know what does.

    Yeh, I would say your comments are demonstrating the problem much more effectively. LOL

    No one believes you care about unborn babies that would otherwise be tapped into the permanent welfare of our society, which you deplore.

    And for the record, My grandfather is a purple heart veteran of WWII, and fought the Japanese as a marine in the South Pacific. He would never agree that we should have nuked those poor people. He is proud of his service, but to this day he does not own a gun or advocate for violence or war. Maybee because unlike other people, he actually saw front line combat and thus doesn’t romanticize with something pundits and bloggers will never understand.

  64. Anonymous
    February 15, 2013 at 11:36 am

    Bombs dropped on civilian-filled cities that are not military targets are not “collateral damage.” Killing civilians to prove to your enemy (and the rest of the world) how ruthless and powerful you are is terrorism.

    If you want to stop abortions then work to increase the availability of contraception and sex education. I doubt there is a single girl with easy access to contraception and adequate sex education would choose abortion as her first choice of birth control. All those fetuses which were aborted wouldn’t have existed to be aborted if those girls had had access to contraception and education. . .

  65. February 15, 2013 at 11:59 am

    I could identify with republicans much more if they would stop the hypocrisy over abortion. Dont kill an amoeba of cells with no conciseness, yet its perfectly ok to kill living souls of all ages to secure our resource and strategic interests around the world. And even our local hero here who is championing a pro-life message while at the same time applauding the nuclear bombing of japan! Hello!

  66. HUUFC
    February 15, 2013 at 12:30 pm

    Hypocrisy? Don’t think so. There are two threads occurring in the discussion that I have commented about, atomic bombs dropped on Japanese cities at the end of WWII and the huge numbers of abortions in the United States. The two are unrelated as is adding “republicans” to the discussion.

    No applauding here, no championing here, no hero here, so stop saying it.

    If you see no problem with almost a million abortions a year in the USA, you must be a liberal. It’s a free country.

  67. Anonymous
    February 15, 2013 at 1:05 pm

    I am a liberal who sees a problem with a million abortions a year. It is a dangerous and expensive method of birth control. The best method is adequate education and availability of birth control options which also, shocking for some I’m sure, prevents abortions.

  68. That Man
    February 15, 2013 at 3:40 pm

    OK i through my 2 cents in,.. I’m pro life yup probably more pro life then any christian can be. I’m so pro life I’m against clear cutting, I’m so pro life I’m against pesticides and herbicides, I’m so pro life I’m against spaying an neutering. that being said I’m so pro life I’m against over population, theirs to many humans on this beautiful little rock, and until we can ride our selves of poverty and under-education which leads the the stupidity of having to go get an abortion and over population; i say give the woman the right to chose…. also I’m so pro life I’m against “Yah-ist”

  69. Mitch
    February 15, 2013 at 4:06 pm

    “give the woman the right to cho[o]se”

    There’s the problem in a nutshell.

    “The woman” has the human right to control her body. You don’t get to give it to her, and others don’t get to take it away. It doesn’t matter what mythology you believe, or if you believe in none.

    Centuries ago, the British recognized that, as a matter of simple justice, even the monarch can’t enter someone’s home without that person’s permission. If we recognize people have an absolute right to control their homes, how can we not recognize the absolute right every person has to control the most intimate circumstances going on within their own body?

  70. February 15, 2013 at 7:19 pm

    It’s a free country.

    OK, Il admit it, Im a liberal, although I fully support clear cutting (assuming its regulated). And perhaps it was misplaced to accuse HUUFC of republicanism. Its just that the GOP is leader of anti-abortion policy in this country.

    If its a free country, why are we having a debate about abortion?

  71. Anonymous
    February 15, 2013 at 9:08 pm

    Gun control.. bad… contolling women’s bodies, well thats ok.

  72. Anonymoose
    February 16, 2013 at 7:38 am

    Its not controlling women’s bodies doofus, it is saving the bodies of the unborn.

  73. February 16, 2013 at 8:19 am

    Again, these anti choice fucktards are dangerous.
    They have murdered doctors and set of bombs.
    They are domestic terrorists.

  74. Mitch
    February 16, 2013 at 8:42 am

    Anonymoose,

    Many people who have thought about ethics and morality have concluded that creatures gain levels of moral standing based on their ability to suffer. This approach fits well with actual human behavior: even those who literally would not hurt a fly tend to have no issue with eating fruit. The difference is that they see the fly able to quickly respond, and must infer, consciously or not, that the fly has its own fly-desires, fly-concerns, and fly-pains.

    As we go to animals with larger brains, we feel greater empathy. This is in part based on the ability of the animals to communicate emotions to us, whether or not we are able to accurately interpret what we see, and so is heavily dependent — unfortunately — on the shape of their faces.

    Most people, faced with the moral choice between necessarily harming either a lab rat or a human will choose to save the human being; that is because we recognize the human being has a more sophisticated ability to suffer — the rat most likely feels pain, but we don’t think of it as having the ability to feel anguish, to develop long-term plans, or to consciously ponder its fate. All of these things require more sophisticated brains than a rat has. Similarly, all of these things require more sophisticated brains than that which exists in a first or second trimester fetus.

    This leaves aside the issue of the soul. If a supernatural being places a soul in every fertilized egg, that supernatural being has devised a charnel house of a world, because up to half of all fertilized eggs die natural deaths by failing to completely implant themselves in the lining of the uterus. (That’s according to the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists.)

    It’s hard to imagine that any supernatural being that is OK with up to half the souls dying within a few days of fertilization would have much problem with first or second trimester abortions. What has happened during the first two trimesters, along with the growth of the rest of the fetus’ body, is the development of the beginnings of a human brain, but not yet the development of a being that can suffer in the way that we imagine human suffering. The equipment simply isn’t yet in place.

    Who suffers? Certainly a woman suffers if she is pregnant and has no desire for a child. Certainly a child suffers who is raised by a parent without the internal and external resources required to care for a child. Certainly all beings suffer on a planet stressed by the explosive growth of the human population.

    I can understand why someone who chooses to believe that every fertilized egg carries a supernatural soul given to it by the entity in charge of the universe would object to people tampering with the plans of that supposedly omnipotent and omniscient entity. I just don’t want such people interfering with the rest of us who think of ourselves as citizens of a country founded on the values of the enlightenment.

  75. Anonymous
    February 16, 2013 at 9:39 am

    Well reasoned and presented, Mitch.

  76. Anonymous
    February 16, 2013 at 9:50 am

    And another 15 to 20% of pregnancies (after the fertilized egg has attached itself to the uterine lining) result in miscarriages, so well over half of all fertilized eggs don’t become live babies. Are there any churches which require funerals for these millions of “souls” that “god” has decided to terminate?

  77. Anonymous
    February 16, 2013 at 10:02 am

    If, as so many religious people claim, unborn babies don’t need funerals because they are sin-free and go straight to heaven, why do they have such a huge problem with abortion? If eternal life in heaven is the prize, why begrudge the unborn, sin-free their free-ride? Does ‘god” discriminate against those therapeutically aborted and favor those he aborted spontaneously?

  78. That Man
    February 16, 2013 at 11:50 am

    the fetus is not human, its just a parasite until it breaths its first breath.

    Ezekiel 37: 5&6- “Thus says the Lord God to these bones: Behold, I will cause breath to enter you, and you shall live. And I shall lay sinews upon you, and will cause flesh to come upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and you shall live; and you shall know that I am the Lord.”

    Job 33:4-“The spirit of God has made me, and the breath of the Almighty gives me life.”

    Genesis 2:7 – the LORD God formed the man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.

    Achievement –
    [using the evil book to dispel beliefs 50pnts]

  79. February 17, 2013 at 1:46 pm

    That Man: Such has been the opinion of theologians for well over 1000 years, until Roe was passed, then suddenly the fetus became a person at conception! The soul enters the body at birth when the child takes it’s first breath. It leaves at death, when the adult exhales their last breath. Until then, it’s a part of the mother, and her will decides, no one else.

    But all they are interested in is imposing their Xtian version of Sharia Law on the whole country, and they will ignore their own “god’s” laws (like Thou shall not kill — Like in Dr. Tiller’s assasination ), to impose their will against that of the majority of Americans who believe in freedom of religion and freedom from religion.

  80. February 17, 2013 at 1:55 pm

    Anonymous: Catholic babies go to Limbo. I guess they dance under a pole for all eternity. I like my religion better: they die, they go back to “Great Link,” spend some time there with the rest of GOD (because WE ALL are GOD – collectively) and then get reassigned to a new host when a new baby is born and takes their first breath. If they’re lucky, they get born into an atheist or pantheist family. If they are unlucky they’re born into a Fundy Xtian nutjob family, and get brainwashed for the first 13 years of their life, after which they might get lucky and enlightened and become either atheist or pantheist, or at least some other Belief System (BS) that doesn’t freak out at the site of a woman’s nipple.

  81. February 17, 2013 at 1:59 pm

    Anonymous :
    And another 15 to 20% of pregnancies (after the fertilized egg has attached itself to the uterine lining) result in miscarriages, so well over half of all fertilized eggs don’t become live babies. Are there any churches which require funerals for these millions of “souls” that “god” has decided to terminate?

    There are States with wacko Christo-Repub Legislatures that want to punish women who abort via miscarriage. It’s like the dark-ages out there.

  82. Just Watchin
    February 17, 2013 at 2:16 pm

    eryrcoedengoch :

    Anonymous :And another 15 to 20% of pregnancies (after the fertilized egg has attached itself to the uterine lining) result in miscarriages, so well over half of all fertilized eggs don’t become live babies. Are there any churches which require funerals for these millions of “souls” that “god” has decided to terminate?

    There are States with wacko Christo-Repub Legislatures that want to punish women who abort via miscarriage. It’s like the dark-ages out there.

    Just curious….if your name is Ellis Arseneau, and you were posting under that name, why are you now hiding behind this name?

  83. That Man
    February 17, 2013 at 2:27 pm

    eryrcoedengoch :
    Anonymous: Catholic babies go to Limbo. I guess they dance under a pole for all eternity. I like my religion better: they die, they go back to “Great Link,” spend some time there with the rest of GOD (because WE ALL are GOD – collectively) and then get reassigned to a new host when a new baby is born and takes their first breath. If they’re lucky, they get born into an atheist or pantheist family. If they are unlucky they’re born into a Fundy Xtian nutjob family, and get brainwashed for the first 13 years of their life, after which they might get lucky and enlightened and become either atheist or pantheist, or at least some other Belief System (BS) that doesn’t freak out at the site of a woman’s nipple.

    i always like the pantheist point of view the whole Gaia/Vishnu philosophy is a good one, in fact i do have that concept in Gaia, however I’m still a polytheist ad theirs nothing BS about it i acknowledge the existence of their insane god, as well as all other gods. i find it rude to deny the existence of one Deity and believe in the existence of mine. who you pray to is not the issue its what your doing is.

    i always say the liberal Christian prays to El Elyon( the Canaan god who is basically the representation of Gaia/Vishnu )
    the conservative prays to Yahweh (the Canaan god of War, Death, Judgment and distinction) all under the guise of the demigods Jesus who is an amalgam of the demigods Mithras, Horus and Dionysus. this makes them a cult worshiping a human claiming divinity. and that in its self i cannot abide by like the emperor of japan claiming hes descendant of Amaterasu (the son) gods don’t mix with humans their ether otherworldly forces living on a separate plain, or nature forces like the sun, the earth, the mountain, the moon, all of everything.

    I’m just a Druidic Shintoist so what do i know?

    i totally agree with the women nipple thing, don’t trust any ones whose uncomfortable with the site of a woman body

  84. Just Watchin
    February 17, 2013 at 2:38 pm

    …..”the site of a woman body”. Do all of you religious nutjobs misspell the word “sight”.

  85. Anonymous
    February 17, 2013 at 4:21 pm

    Gee Just Watchin’, you called me a “dick” when I pointed out one of your (many) misspellings. But, maybe you’re a religious nut job…

  86. Just Watchin
    February 17, 2013 at 4:42 pm

    Atheist as a religious nut job. Let me think about that one….

  87. February 17, 2013 at 7:44 pm

    Just Watchin :
    Just curious….if your name is Ellis Arseneau, and you were posting under that name, why are you now hiding behind this name?

    I honestly don’t know. It’s my Druid name (Welsh for Redwood Eagle – given to me by an Irish Faery Doctor ) and I think it might be because I have a WordPress account with that name. I originally was posting through my Facebook account. I don’t even use that picture any more. I don’t know where the system found that. Maybe one of the geeks around here can explain this anomaly. But it wasn’t intentional, and I’m not hiding anything. Ellis Arseneau is my real name, and you can Google me with it. I’m all over the place. I did for awhile use Sybok Pendderwydd, and long ago Elrond d’Arseneault. But that was before LOTR was made into a movie, and so when the Elrond action figures came out, I just couldn’t any more. I’ve had other monikers over the years. I went by Mithrandir for awhile, and also Keymaster (I was employed as a locksmith then + Ghostbusters was all the rage — yes I’ve been on the internet since before it was the internet. Back when it was GEnie, Compuserve, AOL, Prodigy etc. I’ve had/have many names.

    Back in the early days, no one ever, ever used their real name. I guess I’m still in that habit somewhat. I still use emoticons, and things like ROFLMFAO, and IMNSHO. I also have about 30 email addresses, and am webmaster for mithrilstar.org, reformed-druids.org, and avalonrisen.com and numerous subdomains within.

    See what you did? You provoked a stream of consciousness post that has absolutely nothing to do with this thread. Where’s the moderator? I’d never tolerate this kind of behavior on any group I moderate. [sigh] I remember when they were called sys-ops, but that was long, long ago…………………

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