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It got ugly in blogsville today. One reader summed it up thusly:

I do not get it. What on earth does crab season, crabbers, or crab sandwiches have to do with cops, EPD, or cop haters? I think an innocuous discussion instigated by Heraldo about the best place to get coffee in town would just open up a jungle of free association amongst some commentors that would lead inevitably to donuts. Christ!

  1. Anonymous
    December 17, 2006 at 11:26 pm

    When I first read the title of that post I thought, “WTF?? Isn’t it a little early for baseball?” Then I read the post and comments and now I get it. It’s the beginning of a brand new season for crabby trolls with one-track minds. Then again, it always seems to be open season on Heraldo with these trolls, no matter what he writes.

  2. Heraldo
    December 17, 2006 at 11:29 pm

    My favorite place for coffee is Has Beans, by the way.

  3. rose patroll
    December 17, 2006 at 11:40 pm

    Has Beans ? ? ? Heraldo you cop hater ! What are you insinuating, Ken Miller, that the EPD are a bunch of “has beens” ? What’s that supposed to mean ? Do you know something we don’t ? Is there a terrorist plot to kill Eureka cops ? You and Gags ought to be arrested !

  4. Anonymous
    December 18, 2006 at 5:19 am

    My goodness Rose. Take a pill or something. If you accidently bite yourself, rabies shots can’t be too far behind. Sounds like you need to be confined in a safe place for awhile. I’m sure you are screaming at your computer while you are composing these informational bits of wisdom.

  5. Anonymous
    December 18, 2006 at 8:09 am

    You encourage stuff like 10:40pm and 4;19am ?

    Has Beans is good, JitterBean is better.

  6. Anonymous
    December 18, 2006 at 9:23 am

    Was officer liles using chris burgess to distribute methamphetamine to kids at juvenile hall????
    Perhaps he iced burgess so he wouldn’t talk.

    EPD cops are like these military recruiters… DIRTY.

    http://www.azstarnet.com/dailystar/160717

    Seven recruiters were on the take, secretly accepting bribes to transport cocaine, even as most spent their days visiting local high schools.
    They had help from several more recruiters at an Army National Guard office, where one recruiter was said to be selling cocaine from the trunk of his recruiting vehicle.

  7. Anonymous
    December 18, 2006 at 9:38 am

    I have to admit that the various charges against anonymous bloggers have sometimes stung me. I do believe there is a chickenshit quality to it. It never occured to me before this morning that Heraldo and Buhne and many other bloggers are themselves anonymous. That diminishes the sting some and gives me all the assurance I need to continue to comment anonymously.

    Heraldo and I stand on opposite sides on nearly every topic imaginable. The notable exception is his willingness to speak out strongly in his opposition to our local billionaire. I truly respect him for that. That said, I will not relent in my efforts to shine a light on his hatred of our police officers. What my comments inspire others to say is anybody’s guess but some have tended toward the bizarre and hate-filled lately. I think that’s pathetic.

  8. Anonymous
    December 18, 2006 at 9:56 am

    some very good points 8:38

  9. Anonymous
    December 18, 2006 at 10:10 am

    Cao’n Zach’s in McKinleyville will have crab today, with any luck.

  10. Heraldo
    December 18, 2006 at 11:35 am

    I will not relent in my efforts to shine a light on his hatred of our police officers.

    Where have I ever written that I “hate” cops? Clearly, I don’t blindly worship them, but maybe there is no in-between for some people.

  11. Topic Police
    December 18, 2006 at 11:39 am

    Rose said…
    Cao’n Zach’s in McKinleyville will have crab today, with any luck.

    Rose, you’re under arrest for being off-topic! This thread is about cop haters. Every thread is about cop haters, no matter what Heraldo writes.

  12. Anonymous
    December 18, 2006 at 12:02 pm

    You’re blithely talking about boiling crabs alive, mrsb814. That is cruel. They are living beings who suffer being boiled alive.

    Merry Christmas!

    P.S. Are you a cop hater, by any chance?

  13. Anonymous
    December 18, 2006 at 12:22 pm

    http://buhnetribune.blogspot.com/2006/12/blind-item_14.html

    Anyone sick of Nick Bravo/Ryan Fenster and Charles Douglas? Here is your chance to weigh in your opinion.

  14. mrsb814
    December 18, 2006 at 12:38 pm

    Make sure your water is at a rolling boil to cook crabs-it is much quicker/more humane.

  15. mrsb814
    December 18, 2006 at 1:34 pm

    P.S. Someone just asked me about crab butter… To some its the best part! The Fireman Chef (a San Francisco gourmet) suggests putting it on sourdough bread to serve along with cioppino. I use mine in the marinade for BBQ crabs that is posted above but its delicious on soft or toasted sourdough too.

    The crab butter itself is a good sign of mature, healthy crabs-the more the better!

  16. Anonymous
    December 18, 2006 at 1:37 pm

    Heraldo, I liked you up until the Has Beans comment. Every time I drive by their taking a left on second, I roll up my window and lock my doors. Hell, I try not to look anyone in the eye who’s on that corner. Just a bunch of filthy riff raff, waiting to surge toward any unlucky proud Republican who’s car happenes to stall right their. I wrote a letter to mayor Bass urging her to remove the stopsign in front of Has Beans as it is just plain uncomfortable to be at a stop by you people. God forbid any young woman traveling alone happens by their, as she will probably be raped by some dope tranced hippy, unable to control his carnal lust.

  17. Anonymous
    December 18, 2006 at 1:43 pm

    Oh forgodsakes! The mayor isn’t in charge of stop signs idiot.

    Your misspelling of ‘their’ gives you away again-unlucky and proud Republicans do go together in the same sentence however.

  18. Anonymous
    December 18, 2006 at 3:11 pm

    How can anyone not like Has-Beans?

  19. Anonymous
    December 18, 2006 at 3:23 pm

    12:43 gives Republicans a bad name.

  20. Anonymous
    December 18, 2006 at 3:36 pm

    That chickenhawk George W. Bush is what gives Republicans a bad name.

  21. Anonymous
    December 18, 2006 at 5:44 pm

    12:37 gives Republicans a ‘worser’ name…

  22. Anonymous
    December 18, 2006 at 10:15 pm

    “dope tranced hippy, unable to control his carnal lust.”

    That would be me I guess.

  23. Anonymous
    December 18, 2006 at 10:15 pm

    “dope tranced hippy, unable to control his carnal lust.”

    That would be me I guess.

  24. Anonymous
    December 18, 2006 at 10:16 pm
  25. Anonymous
    December 19, 2006 at 1:23 pm

    pigs are pork, not crab

  26. Anonymous
    December 19, 2006 at 2:54 pm

    9:16 Cooking crabs this way is a little tricky-backing a live crab before cooking is completely Barbaric and I hope you don’t end up cutting off your fingers!

    The assertions of Baykeeper that crabs are contaminated in any way is farfetched and I would like to view their source material for finding any detectable levels of any toxins…any takers?

    Scaring the public about another food source when we just went through it with spinach, green onions and good knows what else-avoid these problems and buy local, wash foods before eating.

    Its true that crabs can come in sandy and should be rinsed off after cooking-it also helps cool the crab so you can get started cracking and eating faster! But there is nothing to fear from crab butter, it is delicious on bread and tastes very much like butter-why waste something that even smells so good?

    Cook your crabs whole for 12 minutes for jumbo crab, less time for smaller ones. Dredge in melted butter, or add marinara sauce and serve with crusty bread, top a salad with some or put on bread with cheese and a tomato slice for a broiled sandwhich. Or look above for the best BBQ crab recipe there is.

    I never get tired of crab!

  27. Anonymous
    December 19, 2006 at 5:15 pm

    You are a crab Mary.

  28. mrsb814
    December 19, 2006 at 5:23 pm

    Thank you! If you are what you eat, then you are absolutely correct!

  29. Anonymous
    December 19, 2006 at 5:30 pm

    First crab last night – with garlic bread and salad! The best!

  30. Eric V. Kirk
    December 19, 2006 at 7:39 pm

    Has Beens is absolutely the best cup of coffee I’ve tried in Eureka. And sorry, that includes Jitterbeans, Coffee and Chocolates, Ramone’s and Los Bagels – all of which are also top of the line.

    Mrs. B – I’m sure your crab recipe is wonderful, but for me the taste of Dungeness when the water has been cold is so rich in and of itself, with lemon-butter, it just doesn’t seem right to do too much to it. My wife and east coast family and friends all think I’m nuts, but I’ll take dungeness crab over Maine lobster.

  31. mrsb814
    December 20, 2006 at 9:32 am

    Eric-You are so right. My plethora of crab recipes comes from having so much of it over the season!

    We are having just a salad and garlic butter with our crab tonight. Next week for ‘Middlemas’ we’ll have the BBQ crab because I have so many requests for it. I make ‘cioppino’ very simply by opening a jar of Basil/Garlic sauce from Thomas Pagano. My family also loves a seafood chowder recipe that includes crab and bay shrimp along with clams (and sherry).

  32. crab spirits
    December 20, 2006 at 12:10 pm

    You boiled us alive, mrsb814 and Eric! You tortured us to death! Now we’re crawling around inside your guts and swimming in your bloodstream. Better give us plenty of sherry to placate us. Because every single cell of your toxic bodies is made from crabs that were boiled alive and suffering animals that were violently murdered.

  33. mrsb814
    December 20, 2006 at 2:01 pm

    There is less dioxin in crab than a glass of milk. Hah!

  34. Anonymous
  35. Anonymous
    December 20, 2006 at 2:09 pm

    When an animal is killed by a hunter, it usually dies relatively quickly. I am sure it’s not painless or pleasant. But it’s better than the alternative. Animals in the wild don’t die in their beds surrounded by relatives. They don’t usually drop dead of a heart attack and they don’t get taken to the vet to be put down humanely by injection. Most get sick or injured or old and their vitality wanes until they are weak and starving. At this point they die from their infected wounds or starvation or they are eaten alive by predators. Predators don’t try to make a clean shot. They take down the animal and often eviscerate it while it’s still alive to get at the tender parts. Or maybe the animal just gets splattered on the grill of a pickup. In any case, hunting is no worse than, and I believe it is more humane than, nature.

    Secondly, the game animal has a real life while it’s alive. It’s free to roam, eat, play and do whatever else it wants. What was life like for the cow, chicken or pig you purchased at the meat counter? Have you ever seen how animals live on a feed lot?

    My family has been raised on high-quality food that we have taken ourselves. And I have spent many years in the forest, enough time to see the way things live and die. I have no reservations at all about taking part in nature as a natural human being should. If you don’t feel that way, don’t do it. But don’t condemn others for their beliefs.

    Michael Alcorn
    From Letters, Eureka Reporter 12/18

  36. Anonymous
    December 20, 2006 at 3:58 pm

    In any case, hunting is no worse than, and I believe it is more humane than, nature.

    Those are very good points. Nature is very cruel, and the torture of feed-lot animals is crueler still. But we are human beings, supposedly, and we have the capacity to rise above Nature, to be something more than just another bloody predator. That people choose to be predators when they don’t have to be is very sad. Predators not just of animals, but of people too. Predators which slaughter other people by the hundreds of thousands and rape, torture and terrorize entire nations.

    And just as those demonic military predators make excuses for their war crimes, so do the hunter predators make exuses for their gratuitous violence. They don’t kill wild animals to save them from a more painful natural death. If killing wild animals did not save them from a more painful death, hunters would still kill them. They kill them for fun, and for pride, to prove they’re “real men” or “tough women”, and some for food too.

    Nature has cruel and horrifying aspects, to be sure. But it’s a shame some people like to be a part of that, instead of rising above it and trying to be something more than just another species of predatory animal.

    And in the horrific cruelties of industrialized meat production, we so-called “human beings” are morally even lower than animals.

  37. Anonymous
    December 20, 2006 at 4:55 pm

    Hunters and fishermen/women are food producers period. Whether it is just for their own family or themselves and others they are putting food on the table.

    If you are a vegetarian-sorry, but you are killing live organisms as well. All life is precious but to honor our food as the native Americans before us did, we do not take this food production lightly.

    No, instead we thank God for giving us sustenance, we thank the animal/fish/fowl for providing us with fuel and we thank others at our table for sharing it with us. Food is sacred. Killing for killings’ sake doesn’t belong in the same sentence, nor does it belong anywhere near talk of wars:just or unjust. People killed in wars do not end up as a food source.

    To get back to crab fishermen-they are very careful of treating the caught crabs gently as they go to market so they will get there whole and lively. Dead crabs are never traded over the docks and there is no cruelty involved. Crab traps are equipped with a cotton ‘thread’ that breaks down in the ocean allowing crab escape if the traps are lost/not picked up in a reasonable time.

    Water at a rolling boil kills crabs within a couple seconds which must be preferrable to having their backs ripped off alive (by some idiot reading a Baykeeper brochure).

    Mike Alcorn is an honorable hunter and a decent writer too!

  38. Eric V. Kirk
    December 20, 2006 at 9:45 pm

    I do not oppose hunting per se, although if everyone did it the wildlife would be wiped out in a very short time. I’ve read estimates that in the absence of farms, with the world left to hunting and gathering, it could sustain 20 million tops. As long as strict rules are enforced and followed, I’m fine with it while the populations of game are maintained.

    I don’t agree with hunting the top of the food chain, including cougars, bears, and wolves. It’s made for disaster in the past, and I don’t believe we have the capacity to measure the impact in order to set a proper limit.

    And I oppose hound hunting, and traps.

    All that aside, knock yourselves out.

  39. Carol Ann
    December 21, 2006 at 9:01 am

    Mary, your BBQ crab recipe sounds delicious. The BBQ doesn’t dry the crab out too much?

    Eric, I agree that dungess crab is sweeter and tastier than lobster. And that is from someone who waqs raised in New England.

  40. mrsb814
    December 21, 2006 at 9:47 am

    I usually have the crab (which has been marinating in gallon ziploc bags in the refrigerator) warming to room temp before putting over the coals for just a minute on a side-depending on the coals themselves. You will love it!

    Send me an email?

  41. Anonymous
    December 21, 2006 at 1:17 pm

    Copied from Rose’s blog:

    Anonymous said…
    Sorry, but what does BAY keeper have to do with commercial crabbing? The crabs you are buying off the dock and in the stores come from offshore (In the Ocean). Only sport geeks catch crabs in the bay and there aren’t many but the regs allow a smaller size crab to be taken.

    What would be the point spending money on printing up brochures with this crap about backing a live crab-you people are twisted! Sick.

    12/21/2006 12:14 PM

  42. Anonymous
    December 22, 2006 at 8:41 am

    “If you are a vegetarian-sorry, but you are killing live organisms as well.”

    There is no comparison between killing plants and killing animals. Animals have an individuated consciousness and clearly suffer pain and fear and sadness. Plants are rooted in the earth and I really doubt they have an individuated consciousness and feel the kind of suffering that animals do — if they suffer at all.

    “All life is precious but to honor our food as the native Americans before us did, we do not take this food production lightly.”

    You certainly take the suffering of murdered animals lightly.

    “No, instead we thank God for giving us sustenance, we thank the animal/fish/fowl for providing us with fuel”

    If I “thank” a person I murder, does that make the murder any less of a crime?

    Do you think the “animal/fish/fowl” cares if you “thank” it for being murdered by you? Animals, fish and fowl do not want to be murdered. That’s why they try to get away from people who murder them, you might have noticed.

    They don’t just walk up to you and say: “Hey! Here I am! Go ahead and murder me! And gosh, thanks for thanking me for letting you murder me! That makes it all better!”

    And who says “God” gave you that “sustenance”? Are you saying “God” sanctions your murder of animals? Reminds me of serial killers who hear voices in their heads telling them to kill people.

    “Food is sacred. Killing for killings’ sake doesn’t belong in the same sentence, nor does it belong anywhere near talk of wars:just or unjust. People killed in wars do not end up as a food source.”

    That is irrelevant. The point made was that soldiers and hunters are both predators. They are both indifferent to the suffering of the beings they murder. We live in a violent society that glorifies evil predatory behavior.

    In recent years it has been shown that people who torture animals are likely to harm people too. In the same way, we can see that a society that casually accepts practices like hunting and the cruel mass-murder of animals in factory production is also a society that doesn’t take seriously the mass-murder of other people, as long as they’re in another country. It’s all part of the same callous, bestial psychology.

    America, as a whole society, clearly doesn’t take U.S. military war crimes seriously. If it did it would put a stop to it immediately. The American people have the power to stop it, but they don’t. They just don’t care enough to do anything effective about it.

    And it is because we live in a degraded society, where evil things are accepted as “normal.”

  43. Anonymous
    December 22, 2006 at 10:35 am

    Go suck a lemon-that’s a vegetable right?

    If you are calling carnivores evil maybe you should get out there and picket the Co-op for selling meat. What an A-hole, so full of yourself. Did your parents raise you to believe you’re really that superior?

  44. Anonymous
    December 22, 2006 at 10:59 am

    In recent years it has been shown that people who torture animals are likely to harm people too. In the same way, we can see that a society that casually accepts practices like hunting and the cruel mass-murder of animals in factory production is also a society that doesn’t take seriously the mass-murder of other people, as long as they’re in another country. It’s all part of the same callous, bestial psychology.

    Your thoughts although not completely invalid-do not belong with discussions of crabbing as it isn’t the Crab Fishermen who torture animals. (Read Baykeeper’s Crab Cooking Guidelines and if you get upset go visit them in their office in downtown Eureka and let them know personally).

    Crab Fishermen actually treat their catch very well as these crabs are someone’s dinner and must be delivered Live-don’t just cut/paste Rose’s blog. Read it.

  45. Anonymous
    December 22, 2006 at 1:40 pm

    Go suck a lemon-that’s a vegetable right?

    Saying stupid things is such a perfect substitute for rational argument, isn’t it.

    What an A-hole, so full of yourself. Did your parents raise you to believe you’re really that superior?

    YOU are the asshole. You’re reading things into the 7:41 comment that aren’t there. Seeing your own reflection and thinking it’s someone else.

  46. Anonymous
    December 26, 2006 at 3:32 pm

    The Eureka Police Department must be dealt with by the public, before the EPD deals with the public (if you know what I mean). F*** the police state!

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