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Local Blogs, Comments, and Anonymous Snipers

Eric Kirk of SoHum Parlance hosted a good radio show on KMUD tonight on the uses and abuses of blogs. Local bloggers Greg and Carol called in, as well as other regular readers of the blogs.

Eric brought up the “quandary” of allowing anonymous comments. He said some people have requested that he disallow comments from unidentified people, but during the show callers appreciated the “anarchy” and free flow of the comments.

Most local blogs allow the free flow, even if stuff gets stupid now and then. But anyone familiar with blogs might understand why some blogs, like Greg’s List or Rambling Jack’s Laboratory don’t allow anonymous comments. Capt. Buhne has twice suspended comments all together.

Some bloggers, like the Carson Park Ranger, are diligent in keeping the comments on point. His threads are quite productive as a result.

Fred once said a blog without comments is like half a blog. This blogger agrees.

What do you think?

  1. Rose
    February 15, 2007 at 11:26 pm

    Pretty much all comments, but monitored.

  2. Anonymous
    February 15, 2007 at 11:46 pm

    It’s a good poll. Thanks for allowing the input!

  3. Heraldo
    February 16, 2007 at 12:06 am

    On a related note, this is an excellent post/thread from the home blog of one of the ex-Edwards bloggers. Interestingly, not a single commenter is named “anonymous.” The topic is how to communicate with the influx of readers who found the site based on the Edwards-blogger controversy.

  4. Anonymous
    February 16, 2007 at 5:52 am

    2:00 Obviously your mother never cared enough about you to wash your mouth out with soap, or in your case clorox would have been a better choice. If you can present us with a better run blog, by all means get it out there. Until you do you are just a knat on the ass of open and non-commercial communication.

  5. Anonymous
    February 16, 2007 at 8:32 am

    An anonymous blogger leading a discussion about the worth of anonymous commenters. You have finally captured the very essence of liberal ideology Heraldo. Keep up the good work.

  6. Carson Park Ranger
    February 16, 2007 at 8:32 am

    The two or three trolls, and the (likely) few anonymous nebbishes who prolifically post puerile items such as “…your mother is a whore…” (seen above) have nothing of interest to offer.

    This sort of posting is the province of dunces. Why should your readers be subjected to it?

  7. Greg
    February 16, 2007 at 8:32 am

    Diversity, that’s what I say. The lies and innuendos planted on blogs for underhanded political purposes are really not much different that what people gossip about anyway, but I don’t want you anonymous jerks (not all anonymii are jerks, but you jerks ruin it for them) on my blog.

    As a result, we get only get comments from “authors” who have asked or been asked to participate. We also get very few comments. It’s nice. When we want to participate in more of a free-for-all, we show up here or over at Fred’s or Eric’s.

    No doubt someone will hang it on me for showing up at all — you gotta love that and there is room for every shape and size of this art form known as the blog.

  8. Greg
    February 16, 2007 at 8:39 am

    Come to think of it, I am pretty sure we adjusted our blog to accept comments from registered bloggers but with comment moderation “on”. This creates a delay in the comments appearing, if I’m not around my e-mail to approve or reject the comment. The only comments I have rejected (so far, anyway) have been spam.

    Maybe we ought to have a blogger’s convention at a coffee shop or someplace one of these days. Anonymii can wear bags over their heads.

  9. Carol
    February 16, 2007 at 8:44 am

    What bugs me is when someone I know comes up and tells me that they are an anonymous blogger, and I’m suppose to guess who they are. I tell them to just sign with their name or choose a pseudonym.

  10. Anonymous
    February 16, 2007 at 8:48 am

    Anonymous is fine, and in some cases better, but not doing something to keep the schizophrenic exchanges on point is detrimental to the “discussion” as identified. Items tend to very quickly slide down the slippery slope of not being even remotely close to the “item of discussion”. A “nanny hand” perhaps?

  11. Rose
    February 16, 2007 at 10:32 am

    from Anon,R. mous blog
    Comment moderation has been enabled. All comments must be approved by the blog author.
    Just about every left-wing, pro-freedom blog does this. Why do they do this?

    You know, he is right.

  12. Anonymous
    February 16, 2007 at 10:49 am

    AnonR had comment moderation until fairly recently. He’s fairly right wing, ask him/her why it was done over there.

  13. Anonymous
    February 16, 2007 at 10:57 am

    Anon.R.mous is a gutless chickenshit.

  14. Derchoadus
    February 16, 2007 at 11:03 am

    I agree with Carol, just get a pseudonym, so everyone can keep track of who said what.

    I under stand the point of anonimity, some of us have jobs, believe it or not, that could be impacted by what is said. I know “Not in America, we have freedom of speach”, but you would be surprised how untrue that is when the government is involved in your job.

    Or is it just laziness, one click on anon and yer posted.

  15. Anon.R.mous
    February 16, 2007 at 11:37 am

    Anonymous said…

    AnonR had comment moderation until fairly recently. He’s fairly right wing, ask him/her why it was done over there.

    2/16/2007 09:49:00 AM

    Bullshit. I had just removed anon posting, never moderation. That was only because someone keep threating to harm themself on my blog. And I ended that what, 4 months ago? If not longer? I’m sure someone could find out the complete dates and times of the removal and replacement of anon posting on my blog if they wanted too.

    Then again, Charles Douglas’ free speech forum has been down for the last 3 years or so.

  16. Eric V. Kirk
    February 16, 2007 at 1:04 pm

    Maybe we ought to have a blogger’s convention at a coffee shop or someplace one of these days. Anonymii can wear bags over their heads.

    I was thinking the same thing actually.

    What bugs me is when someone I know comes up and tells me that they are an anonymous blogger, and I’m suppose to guess who they are. I tell them to just sign with their name or choose a pseudonym.

    I had an experience a few months ago where I was waiting in line for something and the woman behind me said “I know who you are.” I wondered if I should put my hands up, or run. Anyway, she was somebody who had been a topic of some discussion on my blog last June, and I had completely forgotten about it. Not as easy for her I guess. We had a good discussion, but the initiation of the discussion was a little disturbing.

  17. Anonymous
    February 16, 2007 at 1:19 pm

    Hey Carol…if you don’t like people making anonymous comments to you, stay off of the blogs and keep to your own.

  18. Anonymous
    February 16, 2007 at 1:47 pm

    Eric, you’re too much of a megalomaniac for me to believe you don’t enjoy being recognized by strangers.

  19. Eric V. Kirk
    February 16, 2007 at 5:03 pm

    Oh, way too much. But a slightly angry sounding “I know who you are,” that’s a bit different. Hell, I have no way of knowing whether it’s about the blog, my law practice, or somebody who thinks I slept with her husband.

  20. Anonymous
    February 16, 2007 at 7:23 pm

    Well, Eric! Did you?

  21. saf
    February 16, 2007 at 8:28 pm

    I didn’t vote because I think it is up to the discretion of the blog writer.

  22. Carol
    February 16, 2007 at 9:48 pm

    “Hey Carol…if you don’t like people making anonymous comments to you, stay off of the blogs and keep to your own. “

    Naa-aah! It actually helps build my strength and character.

  23. Anonymous
    February 16, 2007 at 11:30 pm

    Does that mean something is lacking in your strength and character?

    Aren’t Heraldo and “the Carson Park Ranger” anon’s ?

  24. Eric V. Kirk
    February 16, 2007 at 11:48 pm

    They are anonynous in terms of their actual identity, but at least we know we’re conversing with the same person whenever they post.

  25. Anonymous
    February 17, 2007 at 8:02 am

    FINALLY, a liberal takes a stab at explaining why an anonymous blooger is somehow more legitimate than an anonymous commenter. It was bound to happen and Eric was the odds on favorite to break. Heraldo, I’ll give you this, you excercise a degree of restraint that comrade Eric simply can’t muster.

  26. Greg
    February 17, 2007 at 8:53 am

    Have you been waiting very long for a liberal to explain “why an anonymous blooger is somehow more legitimate than an anonymous commenter?”

    Maybe blooging is best done in private.

  27. Anonymous
    February 17, 2007 at 8:56 am

    “Comment moderation has been enabled. All comments must be approved by the blog author.
    Just about every left-wing, pro-freedom blog does this. Why do they do this?”

    Ruse said…
    “You know, he is right.”

    Of course it would never occur to yours and Anon.R.eptile’s conservative little pinheads that left-wing, pro-freedom blogs get more nasty attacks from conservative pinheads like you.

    And you make quite a few anonymous comments yourself, Rose. So does your mentally disturbed friend, Anon.R.mous.

    Conservatives definitely tend to be a lot more nasty, obscene, stupid and violent than liberals. Most liberals and progressives just wouldn’t stoop so low as to make all kinds of retarded and obscene comments on blogs.

  28. Carol
    February 17, 2007 at 8:57 am

    “Does that mean something is lacking in your strength and character?”

    Well, I use to get quite frustrated when I first started blogging. I felt like anons were like pesty hornets. A friend of mine from another blog told me that there were only a few people that actually comment and that it just seems like there are more of them. That was a good perspective. Then there were other bloggers that told me they would use a pseudonym so I could identify them like Mousanony.

    I wouldn’t say I was lacking strength and character. I just had to muster it up to converse in this medium.

    “Aren’t Heraldo and “the Carson Park Ranger” anon’s ? “

    Actually CPR gave Greg his name when Greg first started our blog. No, I do not know the identity of Heraldo, but more often than not we agree with each other. But at least I know I am conversing with the same person.

    But like I said earlier, I have a problem with people I know expecting me to guess who they are when they comment anonymously. I am simply not going to play that stupid game.

  29. Anonymous
    February 17, 2007 at 9:05 am

    “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservative.”

    — John Stuart Mill

  30. Anon.R.mous
    February 17, 2007 at 9:13 am

    Of course it would never occur to yours and Anon.R.eptile’s conservative little pinheads that left-wing, pro-freedom blogs get more nasty attacks from conservative pinheads like you.

    And you make quite a few anonymous comments yourself, Rose. So does your mentally disturbed friend, Anon.R.mous.

    Conservatives definitely tend to be a lot more nasty, obscene, stupid and violent than liberals. Most liberals and progressives just wouldn’t stoop so low as to make all kinds of retarded and obscene comments on blogs.

    Well, if I run such a shitty blog, why do you keep psoting on it?

  31. Anonymous
    February 17, 2007 at 9:23 am

    Someone keeps psoting on your blog? Oh my, that’s terrible!

  32. Anonymous
    February 17, 2007 at 9:38 am

    And you make quite a few anonymous comments yourself, Rose. So does your mentally disturbed friend, Anon.R.mous.

    To help blog owners identify Rose’s and Anon.R.mous’s anonymous comments, here is a little helpful information:

    Rose uses a Macintosh with MacOSX, and a Safari 2.0 browser with a 1024 x 768 monitor.
    Her IP address may be either 75.110.192.# or 75.111.20.#

    Anon.R.mous uses the Microsoft WinXP operating system with a Firefox browser and a 1280 x 1024 monitor.
    His IP address has been 75.111.17.# when no ISP is listed, but it is 67.150.247.# with his Pac-West Telecomm ISP (mdsg-pacwest.com)

  33. Anon.R.mous
    February 17, 2007 at 11:20 am

    OH NOES I AM SENDING OUT A EYE PEE ADDRESS YOU HAXORZ!

    And yes, someone keeps psoting on my blogs! The BASTARD!

  34. Anon.R.mous
    February 17, 2007 at 11:25 am

    At least you didn’t uncover the people from NASA, the NSA and even the Penagon covering and reading my blog.

    Heck I have someone from Fort Smith AK posting things today as well.

  35. Anonymous
    February 17, 2007 at 11:40 am

    Special.

  36. Anonymous
    February 17, 2007 at 11:43 am

    anonrmous you are more annoying than Bravo is.

  37. Anonymous
    February 17, 2007 at 11:52 am

    8:38 am, AnonR.mous is Charles Douglas

  38. Anonymous
    February 17, 2007 at 1:05 pm

    Oh my God, Nick will be devastated!

  39. Carson Park Ranger
    February 17, 2007 at 1:56 pm

    It appears that this poll favors some moderation:

    Comments with a name attached 24.3%

    Monitored to remove offensive material 21.6%

    Only comments that relate to post 10.8

    Look what the thread is reduced to (previous several comments) when anonymous trolls run rampant.

  40. Heraldo
    February 17, 2007 at 2:20 pm

    Thanks for pointing that out. The numbers do indicate readers want some moderation.

    I’ll keep a sponge and bucket closer to the computer.

  41. Anonymous
    February 17, 2007 at 3:10 pm

    42.1%

    All comments, anonymous or otherwise.

  42. Heraldo
    February 17, 2007 at 3:15 pm

    Yes, but other votes for some moderation beat the 42.1%

  43. Anonymous
    February 17, 2007 at 3:33 pm

    “Look what the thread is reduced to…”

    Yes, just look! It has become entertaining! This must be stopped! Heraldo, start deleting!

  44. Carson Pork Ranger
    February 17, 2007 at 3:55 pm

    “The numbers do indicate readers want some moderation.”

    Indeed. I want everything deleted that I don’t find entertaining.

  45. Anonymous
    February 17, 2007 at 3:59 pm

    You can’t trust the numbers, Heraldo. You know that. It’s easy to cheat by simply voting multiple times with different IP addresses. That’s what I did.

  46. Anonymous
    February 17, 2007 at 5:41 pm

    Heraldo, the poll is unscientific. For all we know, the non moderation vote may be above what it would be or the opposite. Who knows.

  47. Heraldo
    February 17, 2007 at 6:07 pm

    It was definitely unscientific. But it allowed some good discussion.

  48. Eric V. Kirk
    February 17, 2007 at 9:22 pm

    I didn’t realize there was a “liberal” view of anonymous blogging. Did it make it onto the DNC platform?

  49. Carson Park Ranger
    February 18, 2007 at 12:20 am

    I’m all for anonymity, and I wouldn’t expose a blogger’s identity, even if I didn’t like him, but as Carol and Derchoadus have pointed out here, a blogonym would be useful, so that “everyone can keep track of who said what.”

  50. Anonymous
    February 18, 2007 at 8:32 am

    Eric, I hope you read legal briefs better than comments because you respond to charges that aren’t made and ignore ones that are.

  51. Greg
    February 18, 2007 at 10:32 am

    Too many people let polls guide their direction already. There is no right or wrong answer, so do what you like. Use your freedom. Make choices. Try different things. Do you like the new picture? Hope so – I can’t figure out how to change it.

  52. robash141
    February 18, 2007 at 12:28 pm

    Unless you attach an Identity to your words then the words themselves are meaningless.

    Anonymous commenting is only good for for heckling, name calling and generalized snarkiness.

    Anyone who purports to have a serious point should identify themselves Otherwise , they fatally undermine whatever argument they
    they belive they might have.

    I reserve the right to mock or dismiss out of hand any anonymous blog troll who says something I don’t like because they are “nobody”

  53. SLP
    February 18, 2007 at 1:08 pm

    “Some bloggers, like the Carson Park Ranger, are diligent in keeping the comments on point. His threads are quite productive as a result.” Only a sucker could believe such a statement. Carson Park Ranger’s comments are often nothing more than sarcastic personal attacks.

  54. Anonymous
    February 18, 2007 at 2:47 pm

    I would have to agree. Carson is the worst of the worst.

  55. Anonymous
    February 18, 2007 at 4:30 pm

    robash141, why haven’t you started using your free blog?

  56. Anonymous
    February 18, 2007 at 8:08 pm

    2/17/2007 08:38:00AM

    Sounds like you have half of a conspiracy to me. Add corporate and law enforcement, and you get a conspiracy theory, wrapped in a trojan horse, propped up on all four legs, set loose to colonize free speech on the local blogospere.

    I post under anonymous because of my Scots-Irish ancestory. We Scots-Irish like to drink, but, we don’t like to pay.

    It’s ok with me if Carson Park Ranger corrects my spelling.

    The word “blogospere” isn’t included in my dictionary.

  57. Carson Park Ranger
    February 19, 2007 at 12:08 am

    Hey, who doesn’t like to drink and not pay?

    Sorry about the pedantry. Spelling isn’t important on blogs, and correcting the spelling of others is ridiculously small-minded.

    Neologisms take time to get into dictinaries. Publishers like to wait ten or fifteen years to see if new words will endure.

    I prefer “blogs” to “blogosphere.” Why modify blogs? Fewer syllables. I prefer “blogonym” to pseudonym, because it’s more precise.

  58. Anonymous
    February 19, 2007 at 3:00 am

    a blogonym would be useful, so that “everyone can keep track of who said what.”

    What if we don’t want everyone to keep track of what we say?

    CPR, one of the best things about being anonymous is that people can’t pre-judge us before reading the comment. Thus the comment stands or falls on its own merits.

    For instance, I tend to like what you and Heraldo and various others write, so I have a prejudice in favor of your comments before I read them. There are other people I dislike, and I can’t help but feel a negative prejudice when I see their names, before I ever read their comments. Everything people say is subjectively colored by my opinion of them, based on all the other things I know they’ve said and done, good and bad.

    This is precisely what I don’t want to happen with my own comments. That’s one reason I prefer to be anonymous. The other reason is that it’s liberating. I can say what I really think with no inhibitions, no fear of retribution.

    In contrast, having a known identity in society is very constraining. The longer people know you the more of a captive you become to their opinions. You want your friends to like you, so you say things you know they want to hear, and you don’t say anything which will offend them. And you don’t want to give your enemies ammunition, so you have to be very careful what you say.

    Everybody knows this, and this is why many people who post with their real names or blogonyms also post anonymously. I’m quite sure the great majority of named bloggers post anonymously when they know they need to.

  59. Anonymous
    February 19, 2007 at 4:19 am

    robash141 said…
    “Unless you attach an Identity to your words then the words themselves are meaningless.”

    Why? I don’t see the connection. Your words there are irrational.

    Suppose someone gave you a book or magazine article with the name of the author removed. Would the words then be meaningless?

    “Anonymous commenting is only good for for heckling, name calling and generalized snarkiness.”

    Obviously false. Everybody can see every day on many blogs that anonymous commenters write some of the absolute best and funniest and most informative comments.

    “Anyone who purports to have a serious point should identify themselves Otherwise , they fatally undermine whatever argument they they belive they might have.”

    Not necessarily. Their argument is undermined or supported primarily by the quality of the comment itself.

    Look at you, for instance. You identify yourself, and yet your argument is fatally undermined by its irrationality.

    “I reserve the right to mock or dismiss out of hand any anonymous blog troll who says something I don’t like because they are “nobody”

    You have the most indiscriminately hostile attitude toward anonymous bloggers of any blogger I’ve seen.

    I could understand your anger and hostility if it was simply toward all those who are unjust, whether they used their names or not. But most anonymous comments I’ve seen are not unjust heckling, name calling and generalized snarkiness, and a great many anonymous comments are among the best. Therefore it’s irrational to be indiscriminately hostile to all anonymous bloggers.

  60. robash141
    February 19, 2007 at 8:43 am

    Anonymous comments are like scrawling on the men’s room stall.

    Some of them might be funny but you can’t take them serious.

  61. Anon.R.mous
    February 19, 2007 at 12:11 pm

    robash141 said…

    Anonymous comments are like scrawling on the men’s room stall.

    Some of them might be funny but you can’t take them serious.

    2/19/2007 07:43:00 AM

    And aren’t you, deep down, a anon yourself?

  62. robash141
    February 19, 2007 at 7:54 pm

    Furthermore , I don’t fell obligated in any way shape or form to be nice or civil to cretinous anonymous posters.

    One can be rude to somebody but it is impossible to be rude to “nobody”

    In my opinion gloves should be taken off for the “nobodys”

  63. Anonymous
    February 20, 2007 at 1:48 pm

    “Some of them might be funny but you can’t take them serious.”

    What if an anonymous comment informed you truthfully that somebody was covertly robbing or cheating you in some way? What if they informed you truthfully that somebody was seriously looking to kill you? What if they informed you of some rising stock you could buy cheap right now and make a lot of money on?

    It would be unfortunate if you didn’t take those anonymous comments seriously.

    “Furthermore , I don’t fell obligated in any way shape or form to be nice or civil to cretinous anonymous posters.”

    Do you feel obligated to be nice or civil to cretinous named posters?

    “One can be rude to somebody but it is impossible to be rude to “nobody”

    True, but an anonymous person isn’t nobody. They are simply an unknown person. So if you’re being rude to them, you are being rude to a real person, but a person you don’t know.

    They may or may not deserve your rudeness, but they’re still a real person.

    “In my opinion gloves should be taken off for the “nobodys”

    I think gloves should be taken off for all malevolent, unjust people, whether they’re anonymous or not.

  64. robash141
    February 20, 2007 at 10:34 pm

    The problem with “the nobodies” is that you have no way of knowing how “truthful” since they choose to evade taking responsibility for thier words one can pretty much assume that everything they write is complete BS.

    If an anoymous poster voluntarily chooses to dehumanize themselves in this manner , why shouldn’t I insult them?

  65. Anonymous
    February 21, 2007 at 5:29 am

    Robash141 is a great guy! The sky is blue! This is Humboldt County!

    Oh wait, I’m anonymous, so that must be complete BS.

    Damn, I’ve dehumanized myself too. I guess you should insult me. Okay, I’m gritting my teeth… go ahead…

  66. robash141
    February 21, 2007 at 7:44 pm

    This is Humboldt County , the sky is grey..

  67. Anonymous
    February 22, 2007 at 5:28 pm

    :)

  68. December 18, 2009 at 1:53 pm

    I see you!

  69. December 18, 2009 at 1:55 pm

    Oh yes, before I forget, I have some great photographic proof that you are what you are!

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