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OUTBREAK! But source of virus goes unnamed

If you’re suffering from “abdominal cramping, nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, chills and malaise,” chances are you ate at a “local banquet facility” last week. But which facility is the question.

The Eureka Reporter hints at the bad news, possibly from a press release from Humboldt County Dept. of Health and Human Services, but fails to note whence the virus was served.

Any guesses?

UPDATE: It’s the Baywood Golf and Country Club.

UPDATE 2:  Baywood food illness spreads to 114.

  1. Anonymous
    December 7, 2007 at 1:02 am

    Is the information public knowledge? I thought that if a restaurant gets inspected and there are health code violations, it’s a matter of public knowledge. So if theoretical harm is public information, why is real harm kept private?

    Would any reporters care to weigh in on the public information issue? Dig out your old j-school book and look it up. Remember how it felt when you wanted to be a real journalist?

    We need an alternative weekly to come to our rescue.

  2. Anonymous
    December 7, 2007 at 1:07 am

    Maybe some helpful nurse, doctor, or epidemiologist could explain for the benefit of the journalists here the differences between viruses and germs.

  3. Anonymous
    December 7, 2007 at 1:17 am

    It is entirely useless for a newspaper to try to keep this information from the public. If it’s a banquet facility and the affected dates span four days, presumably hundreds of people or more were impacted, not to mention people who planned to attend events that are being postponed or moved while the facility is temporarily closed.

    So if hundred or thousands of people already know, why not ask the Health Department for the name of the facility? And if they decline, why not say as much in the newspaper article? And why not protest, asking on what grounds the information is being withheld from the public? Yeah reporters, remember that? You represent us.

  4. anonymous
    December 7, 2007 at 5:04 am

    the TS has the full story

  5. Andrew Bird
    December 7, 2007 at 5:33 am

    The ER is still learning to be a newspaper. They’re still too afraid of offending businesses in the community when they get bad press. That is a disservice to the newspaper’s readers.

    The T-S did the right thing. In this case the public’s right to know — especially those who may have dined at Baywood — far outweighs Baywood’s concerns about its reputation.

    Baywood will recover. It’s a classy, well-run establishment that serves excellent food.

  6. December 7, 2007 at 6:54 am

    Being a member of the American Association of University Women (AAUW), I received a phone call this week from the Humboldt County Department of Public Health, asking me if I attended the AAUW luncheon that was held at Baywood last Saturday. I reported to them that I didn’t attend the event. It is a good thing.

    It is an unfortunate situation, but I believe it was handled appropriately. It was nice to receive the phone call from the health department. They were doing their job. I have attended several events at Baywood and the food was always very good. It is unfortunate, but like Jim Hoff said in the TS, wash your hands everyone!

  7. Anonymous
    December 7, 2007 at 6:58 am

    Hey, maybe know I can afford to join Baywood!

  8. Anonymous
    December 7, 2007 at 7:05 am

    Hey, I guess this explains the KIEM promo I heard last night. Man, the faces of KIEM scooped the Reporter. How embarrassing.

  9. Anonymous
    December 7, 2007 at 8:07 am

    The Times-Standard narrowed the affected days to 2. So, in terms of protecting a local business. the ER articles makes em’ sound worse.

  10. anonymous
    December 7, 2007 at 8:15 am

    I saw a story on the local news last night. They said it was originating at the Baywood Country club. I guess the county health services is on top of it.

  11. Anonymous
    December 7, 2007 at 9:01 am

    The management contacted the health dept as soon as they heard about several people being ill, so it was handled quickly. It has been on channel 3 over and over-on the morning as well as evening news the past 2 days.

  12. Anonymous
    December 7, 2007 at 9:11 am

    So why is the Eureka Reporter attempting to keep this information from the public? It’s outrageous.

  13. December 7, 2007 at 9:37 am

    I understand this outbreak at Baywood was carried in on the dirty hands (or lungs) of a guest and didn’t start there but…
    the Reno Gazette-Journal used to public weekly the results of Health Dept inspections along with scores and threats of closure. Seems they were always focused on a particular thing – clean soda guns, food stored on floors and (my personal favorite) rodent droppings. Wouldn’t restaurants be WAY more careful if their dirty (kitchen) laundry were public knowledge. I know plenty of food delivery people that won’t eat in certain restaurants because they’ve seen the kitchen. Wouldn’t we all like to have that information?

  14. Anonymous
    December 7, 2007 at 9:45 am

    Baywood has never been one of those kitchens- they have a great staff and careful system. This is an unusual circumstance being a virus carried on a person with unknown origin, like what happens on some cruise ships, not a bacteria from dirty conditions.

  15. Anonymous
    December 7, 2007 at 9:46 am

    Eureka Reporter has no ties to Baywood and simply did not have the info early on, like many of us. I ate there twice this week and am lucky not to have contracted it.

  16. Andrew Bird
    December 7, 2007 at 9:56 am

    Yeah, it’s possible the ER just rewrote the health department’s press release and didn’t bother to do anymore reporting. Perhaps the editors didn’t believe it to be newsworthy. What an embarrassment for them, though. Every other news outlet in Eureka named Baywood.

    The T-S’ story was very detailed and well-written. This comes on the heels of the T-S scooping the ER over the cop indictments. And it’s a story that has a lot of people talking, it’s the most viewed story on the T-S website. Maybe those cutbacks at the ER are beginning to show. It’s been a bad week over on Fourth Street.

  17. December 7, 2007 at 10:12 am

    I think I could see not mentioning the business, at least at first. The way the stories read, there’s no way of telling if this thing was caused by an employee or a customer. Why drag a business through the dirt when it might not be their fault?

  18. brian
    December 7, 2007 at 10:13 am

    Everything is the E.R.’s fault……what a joke.

  19. brian
    December 7, 2007 at 10:25 am

    The T.S. has an ad in “help wanted” looking for a “Copy Editor” it reads, “top candidates will have a college degree and copy editing/pagination experience” salary $22,800 to $25,000..now that’s a joke, but do you want from a corporation like MediaNews Group.

  20. brian
    December 7, 2007 at 10:33 am

    opps for got the word”what”….my bad.

  21. December 7, 2007 at 10:38 am

    My wife Robin went to an event Tuesday night with her friends and one ended up sick. If the health department was contacted about the ptoblem over the weekend, why did they let Baywood continue to hold events during the week days?

  22. Anonymous
    December 7, 2007 at 10:43 am

    Hey Brian, at least the TS employs copy editors. Have you noticed the copy errors in the competition? The Eye does a better job.

  23. me
    December 7, 2007 at 11:47 am

    Yes, the copy editors at the ER do not do a good job at all in catching errors!

  24. December 7, 2007 at 11:59 am

    Why drag a business through the dirt when it might not be their fault?

    Naming the business to alert the public who may have dined there isn’t dragging the restaurant through the mud. It’s a basic courtesy to readers who may be sick.

  25. anonymous
    December 7, 2007 at 12:18 pm

    Shows what a pro-business / anti-people mentality Fred has. Naming the facility where people got sick is not assigning blame. Not knowing the facility in question could lead to some people not seeking necessary medical treatment for an illness they don’t take seriously until it is worse and they have spread it to others.

  26. anon
    December 7, 2007 at 12:44 pm

    In big bad ol’ Los Angeles, every restaurant has a “report card” from the county, graded A, B, C etc which is ON DISPLAY at the establishment. Wish we did.
    Concur on Baywood, they do a great job and every nonprofit in the county holds events there.

  27. Anonymous
    December 7, 2007 at 1:03 pm

    Fred, if printing the truth makes you dirty, maybe you need a bath.

  28. December 7, 2007 at 1:45 pm

    “Naming the business to alert the public who may have dined there isn’t dragging the restaurant through the mud. It’s a basic courtesy to readers who may be sick.”‘

    Heraldo supports attribution!

    Do readers who are sick of anonymous commentators have the same right, Mr./Ms. H?

  29. Anonymous
    December 7, 2007 at 1:54 pm

    Is the public served by my speaking pseudo-anonymously, or by having me outed?

    The question is a red herring though. Even logged WordPress accounts are not really an authenticated, legitimate form of attribution (meaning, identifying people by their real names). The blogging medium is inherently anonymous by default.

  30. Washed my hands
    December 7, 2007 at 2:02 pm

    I think the issue here is why was the place allowed to keep serving food after so many got ill. This started on Saturday and the health dept. never asked them to close… how many people were served over the next 3 or 4 days?

  31. December 7, 2007 at 2:04 pm

    “Is the public served by my speaking pseudo-anonymously, or by having me outed?”

    How did I know you’d be exempt?

    But my opinion would be, yes. Others may differ.

    What does “pseudo-anonymously” mean, anyway? You mean you aren’t really anonymous?

  32. Andrew Bird
    December 7, 2007 at 2:08 pm

    Fred, you can’t be serious. By naming the business, people who read the story, who may have eaten at Baywood and gotten sick without realizing why, can contact the health department. That will help the health department’s investigation.

    Besides, the public’s right to know about the source of a virus outbreak far, far, far exceeds any damage Baywood might suffer. You can’t disagree with that, can you?

  33. GDubyaBush
    December 7, 2007 at 2:13 pm

    You mean I might not be who I say I am, 1:54?

  34. Anonymous
    December 7, 2007 at 2:19 pm

    Fred, when you suddenly feel ill and vomit and diahrea at the same time and sleep for a whole day… Thats called food poisoning. It’s not a hangover.

  35. tad
    December 7, 2007 at 2:34 pm

    Peace be with you.

    “Is the public served by my speaking pseudo-anonymously, or by having me outed?”

    I personally don’t care if someone is anonymous or not (truth speaking for its self and all that), but it would handy to somehow identify yourself in a thread so I know if I am communicating with the same anonymous or a tag team.

    love eternal
    tad

    AND: Worse GDubyaBush, we might not be who we think we are.

  36. Anonymous
    December 7, 2007 at 3:22 pm

    Yes kevpod, no one is truly anonymous online. Period. That’s what I mean. So, ultimately, you already have your wish. There is no where to hide, even if you’re innocent. And, oh yes, innocent people hide. That’s the nightmare we’ve created for ourselves.

  37. December 7, 2007 at 4:15 pm

    “Anonymous Says:
    December 7, 2007 at 3:22 pm
    Yes kevpod, no one is truly anonymous online. Period. That’s what I mean.”

    Who is “I?” Heraldo? A new shadow figure?

    What is there to hide from – something real or imaginary demons?

    My opinion: it’s easier to take cheap shots – like the stuff Heraldo trades in day in and day out – when you’re hiding behind a ski mask.

  38. anonymous
    December 7, 2007 at 4:19 pm

    If you want the truth, give a man a mask.

  39. Anonymous
    December 7, 2007 at 7:54 pm

    I agree Kevpod. Writing anonymously, Mr. H sometimes lets his zeal get the better of him. But if there was ever a lawsuit over something Mr. H wrote, we’d all learn his identity pretty darn quick.

  40. Anonymous
    December 7, 2007 at 8:10 pm

    The ER is wholly tied to Baywood– everyone knows this and the anon who tried to claim otherwise, well, they work for Arkley.
    Baywood is THE golf course for all Security National and ER employees. Many of the bigwigs and staffers at the ER and SN regularly golf there and all of their employees get a free membership. Baywood and the ER/SN are best buds and there are comps for employees.
    It’s no surprise the ER protected Baywood. It is also flat-on-its-face obvious that the ER whitewashed the story. The lie that they simply didn’t know where this happened is a total crock of shit. “We weren’t doing our jobs so we don’t know where this major local story happened. Sorry, we sucked yesterday.” Riiiiiight. Only the ER would be stupid enough to run with that excuse.
    There was never even a possibility that the ER would name Baywood in the story. The story could have been anything negative, they would have spun it till it was positive or not even published it.

    It is a case of outright lies told to protect a friend of the paper.

    The ER should be sued, their business license taken away, and every last employee should be fired. And then we’ll deal with this Baywood situation…

  41. Anon, anon, anon...
    December 7, 2007 at 8:14 pm

    Hoover, you obviously suffer from extreme brain damage. Seek help.

  42. Buttermilk Bust Broad
    December 7, 2007 at 8:28 pm

    Hoover is brilliant.

  43. Anonymous
    December 7, 2007 at 8:31 pm

    8:10, you’re completely full of Sh–t. It’s laughable. I have the Baywood roster here in my hand and there is not one person I can find from SN in it. Not the bosses, not anyone. You are completely ridiculous!

    Anony.Miss

  44. Ghost of Mabel
    December 7, 2007 at 8:59 pm

    I used to know all those fancy pants fellas who golfed at Baywood. Yes, indeed. Lot’s of them even winked at me.
    I even met some of them at the Vance Hotel.
    Right, Harvey???

  45. Washed my hands
    December 7, 2007 at 9:11 pm

    Robin Arkley Jr. is on the roster (spaghetti board) inside Baywood… along with a very interesting list of Arkley supporters. Go take a look an tell me I am wrong.

  46. Anony.Miss
    December 7, 2007 at 9:31 pm

    Robin, the dad. Not part of SN. Who else do you see?

  47. Anonymous
    December 7, 2007 at 9:34 pm

    Grampa plays golf. I KNEW IT! Persecute him! Persecute him!

  48. Anony.Miss
    December 7, 2007 at 9:37 pm

    That whole paragraph was complete BS. So typical of the fiction, spin, and conspiracy theories so rampant here. No real ties to Baywood. C’mon, stick to the truth. And ER employees get a membership? That’s hysterical.

  49. Rhino
    December 7, 2007 at 10:11 pm

    One does not need to hide behind a ski mask to be a bull shit artist, Kevin. Not that you are an artist. You and Rose just keep heaping it on top of the same old stack. I think you two dung beetles take an excessive amount of pride in attaching your name to it.

  50. Buttermilk Bust Broad
    December 7, 2007 at 10:15 pm

    Hoover is brilliant!

  51. Anonymous
    December 7, 2007 at 10:33 pm

    I’ve seen Judy Pollace playing at Baywood a number of times (even in the middle of the day during the work week). I assume she is a member and that she pays for her membership personally. As for the ER paying for memberships for the rest of the staff, that’s just someone’s imagination running wild.

  52. December 7, 2007 at 10:37 pm

    And now they’re linking me to you, Kevin? That’s rich. And they call me a conspiracy theorist.

  53. Golly
    December 7, 2007 at 10:42 pm

    Buttermilk Bust Broad! You repeat yourself!

  54. Good Golly Miss Rose
    December 7, 2007 at 10:44 pm

    They were being too kind, Rose.

  55. December 7, 2007 at 11:16 pm

    It’s possible that I missed it in all these comments, but it’s worth pointing out a simple fact – as of today, the ER hasn’t written an article about the Baywood problem. It simply reprinted a press release emailed by the health dept. That press release didn’t mention where the outbreak took place, hence omission of Baywood’s name.

    So you can beat up on the ER for what it didn’t write, but as of today you can’t beat up on the paper for what it did write, being that it hasn’t written anything!

  56. Carl
    December 7, 2007 at 11:18 pm

    Hey Anony.Miss are you still clutching that Baywood book? And what page is your name on?
    Oh, and which cube is yours at S.N.?

  57. Carl
    December 7, 2007 at 11:21 pm

    Nice Jack, that really flows…

  58. Nora V.
    December 7, 2007 at 11:28 pm

    Good dog, Carl. You’ll understand some day. Just sit and stay.

    People, give the ER a break. Theyre obviously understaffed and struggling to get the paper out on a daily basis. They like a scoop just as much as the times standard

  59. Carl
    December 7, 2007 at 11:30 pm

    Hey Nora, spend a little less time blogging and more washing your hands…

  60. December 7, 2007 at 11:58 pm

    Carl,
    According to the latest press release from the health dept. there’s a real possibility that this virus will spread, spread and spread. So it’s advisable for everyone to wash their hands repeatedly! Follow the following formula: Blog. Wash. Wash. Blog. Wash. Wash. Blog. Wash. Wash. Blog. Wash. Wash. And keep it going. Cheers – Jack

  61. Anonymous
    December 8, 2007 at 1:02 am

    Jimbo is loose in Cedar Creek! Bad monkey! Bad monkey! RUN FOR YOUR LIFE!

  62. Anony.Miss
    December 8, 2007 at 7:59 am

    Carl, my name is somewhere in the middle. I only have a 2005 book. Judy P is not in mine, but I believe she is a newer member, now that 10:33 mentioned it. Point remains, SN and ER are not represented much at Baywood and there is no “relationship” there. By the way, Baywood is a gorgeous place to golf with a very nice restaurant, and a pool that is great for kids in the summer. It’s owned by the members, kind of like the CO-OP, and they are always looking for new members.

  63. Carl
    December 8, 2007 at 8:41 am

    Yeah kind of like the co-op, oh, except the co-op is like $13/year.

  64. December 8, 2007 at 8:45 am

    I love how Heraldo does not have to do any kind of spin doctoring on this topic. Already in this thread, people have connected dots between RA and his paper, SN, and some kind membership deal the employees get at Baywood.

    Once again H, you must be doing something right.

    -boy

  65. Has-Been
    December 8, 2007 at 8:47 am

    As a former SN/ER employee, I can assure the public that we were in fact offered free memberships to Baywood. I don’t golf so I never took the offer, but many did and still do. Current employees whom I still know (and new employess I have met) assured me yesterday that they still do offer the memberships.
    Those who are trying to lie to everyone else with the no-such-thing-as-complimentary-memberships story are trying to protect the paper, we can all see this plainly.

    What I want to know is why these people think that showing us how ER supporters are willing to lie to protect the reputation of that paper somehow helps.

    (I say SN/ER because the ER is not considered an entity separate from SN. All the same rules for SN apply to the ER, from budgets, personnel rules, benefits, etc. If you work for the ER you are really working for SN; over at the ER Arkley’s signature appears on their checks. This is why the Baywood memberships, which have long been offered to SN folks, we extended to the ER folks when that paper was born. And why the ER people dress like bankers– same strict “Business Dress” code as SN.)

  66. December 8, 2007 at 8:48 am

    OK, I should clarify, I am not saying that Heraldo is a Spin Doctor. My opinion.

    -boy

  67. Anony.Miss
    December 8, 2007 at 8:51 am

    HA HA! Boy- ask someone who works there. You will see the dots do not connect. Complete BS. You’re making yourself look silly.

  68. December 8, 2007 at 9:01 am

    If I must be put in the position to correct another reader, so be it. I was merely pointed out that other readers have made those connections. I have never been to Baywood, nor do I know a single soul who works for SN, or the Reporter for that matter. I read this thread, and made the observation.

    Now about looking silly? Reading is a skill that is characterized by more than recognizing the letters that make up the English alphabet. You must also be able to comprehend the words you are reading. Give it a whirl.

    -boy

  69. Anony.Miss
    December 8, 2007 at 9:05 am

    Thanks for caring. sniff sniff.

  70. Anonymous
    December 8, 2007 at 9:05 am

    Boy, H is doing nothing at all! How can he be “doing” something right when we are the ones doing all the work? Thanks for basically being a good manager– give the boss credit for everyone else’s hard work.

    His post spun it– how can anyone say otherwise? He slammed the ER and stroked the T-S, as always. This is not objectivity, this is spin against the ER. I like that kind of spin, but not when it comes out of the mouth of someone claiming to not be spinning the story.

  71. Anony.Miss
    December 8, 2007 at 9:11 am

    Nyah nyah. I just found out I am right. No free memberships.

  72. Anony.Miss
    December 8, 2007 at 9:20 am

    and Boy, you must be able to not only “comprehend the words” (your comment), but realize that some of them are simply not true.

  73. Carl
    December 8, 2007 at 9:22 am

    wow, maybe we should ask Anony.Miss some more questions, she seems to have the all-knowing source.

  74. Anony.Miss
    December 8, 2007 at 9:26 am

    I just don’t like the lies being told and retold. I don’t mean to be bitchy about it.

  75. December 8, 2007 at 9:26 am

    He slammed the ER and stroked the T-S, as always.

    There’s no mention of the T-S in the post.

  76. Anonymous
    December 8, 2007 at 9:30 am

    geez carl…quite a thing u have 4 anony.miss.

  77. Anony.Miss
    December 8, 2007 at 9:32 am

    Ta ta. It’s a beautiful day and time to do something else.

  78. mresquan
    December 8, 2007 at 9:45 am

    Well according to the TS this morning Peter Lavallee got pretty damn sick eating there.There’s gotta be a conspiracy somewhere.

  79. tad
    December 8, 2007 at 10:09 am

    Peace be with you.

    Heraldo, don’t you think this kind of comment boarders on over the top?

    “Will you please pull her IP and send it to mental health or law enforcement as an at-risk person?”

    Either we accept this behavior or we don’t.

    http://www.eurekareporter.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?ArticleID=31493

    love eternal
    tad

  80. December 8, 2007 at 10:24 am

    Yeah, there were a few over the top comments this morning. I’ll delete it.

  81. Anonymous
    December 8, 2007 at 12:13 pm

    Gosh, the Health Department can’t shut a place down anymore for being filthy. What a surprise that people get food poisoning.

  82. Washed my hands
    December 8, 2007 at 12:25 pm

    How often do you think they shut restaurants down for violations?

  83. Washed my hands
    December 8, 2007 at 12:26 pm

    Or better yet… what sort of violation should require a shut down?

  84. Anony.Miss
    December 8, 2007 at 12:42 pm

    and remember- they think this is a virus, not bacteria caused by old food or improper storage. This is an entirely different thing.

  85. Jane Doe
    December 8, 2007 at 12:51 pm

    Right, Anony.Miss, it is spread by people not washing their hands after using the restroom. It seems highly unlikely that a guest gave this virus to over 100 people at Baywood.

  86. Anony.Miss
    December 8, 2007 at 12:57 pm

    and didn’t I hear they won’t know exactly what is was until March or so?

  87. Anony.Miss
    December 8, 2007 at 12:59 pm

    There was a very sick guest in the restroom at a luncheon on Saturday- several people helped her- coincidence or ??? Ask the over 80s group that was at that event. I wonder if the Health Dept knows about her. I know 4 older women who got sick after that and thought it was from her.

  88. Anonymous
    December 8, 2007 at 3:12 pm

    Is Jim Hoff sick? That’s what I want to know.

  89. Anony.Miss
    December 8, 2007 at 3:22 pm

    Jim Hoff and a relative of his were sick, according to the news, around Sunday, and he said he contacted the manager and they decided to call the Health Dept, since the manager was also ill.

  90. Anonymous
    December 8, 2007 at 3:29 pm

    At Baywood, the elite meet to eat.
    A hundred or more of their elegant corps,
    Emerged with their miseries complete.

  91. Anony.Miss
    December 8, 2007 at 3:40 pm

    Actually, Baywood holds many public and charity events. I would characterize that place as one that most everyone has visited and enjoyed events, not just “the elite”. Who DO you mean when you say that, anyway?

  92. Washed my hands
    December 8, 2007 at 6:03 pm

    I heard most if not all of the staff were sick.

  93. Another Voice
    December 8, 2007 at 6:09 pm

    A number of people have pointed out, and quite correctly, the ER simply published the County Environmental Health Department press release word for word, and made it look like a news story. No reporting (calling someone to get more facts as the TS did) occurred. No conspiracy here, just poor journalism.

    What is so far missing the from this story so far is that a lot more people got sick than was reported (either 114 or 141 depending on which paper you believe). But this represents only the confirmed cases where Environmental Health called and confirmed. The actual number of those directly affected is probably closer to 400-500 (and maybe more) based on the number of meals served which was reported at 900.

    I know lots of people who were at various of those events during those five days, and a high percentage of them became ill, including members of my own family. This so far has been under-reported. It is a bigger deal than anyone wants to admit, particularly County Environmental Health and Baywood, who both look bad in this situation for the same reason…not acting quickly enough,
    That people were getting sick was well known by Sunday, and both the County (who were calling people on Monday who got sick from Saturday) and of course Baywood did not take action. So 216 people were served meals at the Library Gala on Monday night, and Baywood kept serving meals through Wednesday noon I was told. Not a good show.

  94. Washed my hands
    December 8, 2007 at 7:14 pm

    Sadly, this is par for the Dept. of Enviro Health.

    They simply do not believe in enforcement. When have you ever heard of a restaurant being closed?

  95. Anonymous
    December 9, 2007 at 12:42 am

    Restaurant sanitation is a concern of mine.
    Taco Bell about ten years ago did not have soap or paper towels in their rest room.

    I asked the person behind the counter where the food service workers washed their hands. I was told they did it in the same inadequately maintained rest room that I had just seen.

    I cancelled my order and never went back.

    I went further and called the appropriate County government office.

    That may have been an extreme example of a company’s disregard for the safety of their customers. Even so, I pay attention to the condition of the rest rooms in the restaurants I visit now.

    If you care about your health and the health of your neighbors, you might consider doing the same.

  96. Anonymous
    December 9, 2007 at 8:27 am

    Baywood keeps their restrooms stocked and very clean.
    My mother attended two events- one on Saturday and one on Monday night at Baywood. She did not get sick until Tuesday or Wednesday, and she passed on the illness at home to my father , who got it on Friday night. She said one of her friends came to the Saturday event and had to leave the table and she went into the restroom and had to be helped because she was very ill- vomiting, I believe. So, that person did bring something to Baywood as a guest.

    I had meals there Sunday and Wednesday, and did not get ill, but my daughter did who was also there Sunday.

    My personal feeling is that it went from my mother’s friend on Saturday, to some Baywood Staff members as well as guests, and from there it was spread to more guests and staff members. I think the Health Dept will not know the lab results- whether it is the norovirus or not for sure for a couple of months.

  97. Another Voice
    December 9, 2007 at 5:59 pm

    The virus had to start from someplace, and it seems quite plausible the sick person you describe on Saturday is where it all started.

    But it had to be something done by Baywood to keep it going for five days. Maybe the person who cleaned the restroom went on to handle food or dishware, put water in the ice machine, and so on. The person or persons to interview it seems to me would be whomever cleaned the restroom,

    I hope for Baywood’s sake they can convince the Health Department they have a handle on this so they can reopen.

  98. Anonymous
    December 9, 2007 at 6:08 pm

    I agree, 8:27 – the restrooms at Baywood are always tended and clean. I’ve also heard that there was a very sick guest at an event held over the weekend and that the virus likely originated from that person. Given the typical incubation period for a virus, staff members could easily have spread the illness before they knew they were sick. I know nothing about a norovirus, specifically – how it spreads (airborn, contact, etc.). However, these types of things are often passed from person to person before the infected “host” knows they are ill. Let’s not be so quick to condemn. Though, I have to comment, frequent handwashing is always a good idea (especially in food service)!

  99. Anonymous
    December 10, 2007 at 2:03 pm

    a couple things need to be addressed with this issue at baywood. first of all as much as the ts wants to assume it was food borne, this is not a food borne illness- if anything the food could act as a foamite (improbable when you realize how much the cooks are required to wash there hands). secondly there was a sick lady in the restroom reported to have the exact same symptoms- that lady was attended to by multiple people and proceeded to enjoy the event. that being said, anything she touched or the people around her touched would be infected, even worse the shell of the virus is resistant to basic ammonia based cleaning solutions- meaning anything that was in fact cleaned was not sterilized for the specific noro-virus, until after the virus was brought to attention. as to why the health dept did not shut it down after the possibility of an outbreak, baywood received excellent marks on sanitation after a surprise visit from the health dept, and the inspector not knowing the full reach of this rare virus felt that it was not a food related illness, turns out it still isnt. after the initial visit the premises were thoroughly bleached and continue to be. one last thing, its no lie that arkley and many other influential people attend events at baywood, however to go as far as calling them elite in as small a county as humboldt is ridiculous, baywood is not expensive to be a member, and happens to be the best golf course in the county- i dont think its a coincidence or an elitest conspiracy linking the ER or its employees to the lack of info on this outbreak, in fact the

  100. bleachhands
    December 10, 2007 at 2:07 pm

    cont. – The TS was quick with accusations, some of which were unfounded. to end unofficially there have now been accounts of the same symptoms arising in humboldt up to 3 days before the initial event that took place on saturday.

  101. anonymous
    December 10, 2007 at 3:28 pm

    The T-S didn’t accuse anyone and didn’t say that the norovirus originated at Baywood. That would be an idiotic thing to claim. They stated a FACT that people got sick at Baywood which was not unfounded. Obviously there were people who had it BEFORE people got sick at Baywood. Someone had to have caught it SOMEWHERE in order to carry it to Baywood where it was further passed to over a hundred people.

    Stop drinking the bleach.

  102. Anony.Miss
    December 10, 2007 at 8:48 pm

    “arkley and many other influential people attend events at baywood”

    Arkley senior, not junior attends Baywood events.
    Other influential people? Yes, but you are right, most “big city” clubs have more of an elite feel. This is a family club and has members of all types, who can afford the fees. It’s not cheap but it is reasonable compared to out of town clubs, and the course is apparently very nice, according to the golfers I know.

  103. December 10, 2007 at 10:06 pm

    Baywood Country Club is as safe a place to eat as you’re going to find. An outbreak like that could happen anywhere.

  104. anonymous
    December 10, 2007 at 10:09 pm

    Exactly, CPR. And no matter where it happens, people should be informed so that if they ate there and are sick that they should take appropriate precautions to prevent passing it to others.

  105. Another Voice
    December 12, 2007 at 10:25 am

    I know this is old news now, but it bothers me a little that the local papers kind of went out of their way to downplay the magnitude of this. Maybe they were simply trying to protect Baywood (and to some degree Environmental Health) from bad publicity, but the numbers from the articles tell it all.

    Meals served – 900
    Persons contacted – 346
    Confirmed sick – 166

    Statistically then the number sickened was 432.

    Seems more dramatic doesn’t it?

  106. Anonymous
    December 12, 2007 at 11:13 am

    “Where the elite meet to eat” is a phrase I first heard applied to the Eureka Inn in the 1960’s.

    I’m glad I worked it into my little poem about the Baywood Country Club.

    It gave people who are better acquainted with Baywood an opportunity to explain Baywood and its operations to the readers of the Humboldt Herald.

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