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Protest to honor robber killed by EPD

Redwood Curtain Cop Watch will hold a protest outside the Humboldt County Courthouse on the one-year anniversary of the police shooting of Zachary Cooke on Friday, January 4 at noon.

Cooke was shot in an abandoned house in Eureka after a string of robberies that included pepper spraying victims before stealing their money.

The penalty for robbing people and assaulting them with pepper spray is not death, though it inspires more sympathy for his victims than the perpetrator. That said, the behavior of Officer Terry Liles who shot Cooke some 16 times while he lay under a sleeping bag is worrisome. Liles had already raised hackles for his shooting of 16 year-old Christopher Burgess in October 2006 and Eureka resident Cheri Lyn Moore in April 2006.

An email announcing the protest says Redwood Curtain Cop Watch seeks to draw attention to the “seemingly endless murder spree by local police.” The shooting of Cooke and “every killing by Eureka Police are suspect,” the email reads.

To their credit, RCCW didn’t plan a protest on the anniversary of the police shooting of suspected child molester Jonni Honda, which occurred three weeks before Cooke was killed.

RCCW is calling for cops to be drug tested following such shootings, which we agree is a legitimate request.

  1. Anonymous
    January 2, 2008 at 11:20 am

    We? Heraldo and who else?

  2. Rose
    January 2, 2008 at 11:35 am

    You’ve got to be kidding.

  3. tad
    January 2, 2008 at 11:35 am

    Peace be with you.

    “Who else?” Why everyone who is concerned for the safety of our community.

    Police chiefs have to stop their “cops can do no wrong” bullshit. These are crimes and the officers involved are not (or at least should not be) above the law. One can only blanketly absolve these officers if evidence supports that defense.

    Lyles emptied his clip into Cooke then reloaded and fired some more, but the cop standing right next to Lyles didn’t fire his gun once. Too many questionable murders and too few public investigations.

    Drug test cops! We have a meth problem and the cops show symptoms of meth use.

    love eternal
    tad

  4. Say What?
    January 2, 2008 at 11:45 am

    The only drug Liles probably would have tested positive for is excessive testosterone.

  5. neomoderate
    January 2, 2008 at 12:01 pm

    “Lyles emptied his clip into Cooke then reloaded and fired some more, but the cop standing right next to Lyles didn’t fire his gun once.”

    I don’t envy the cops’ job – If I were a cop, no loser’s life would be worth my risking my life even once. I mean, how many times does a cop give some tweaker a chance to shoot at him before he comes out on the losing end? It’s just a no-win situation to be in.

    However, if in fact that quote is true it’s pretty darn scary and Lyles should be issued a nerf billyclub.

  6. January 2, 2008 at 12:03 pm

    probably? is that the same probably as the chief used when he said that another victim to EPD(cotton) was probably on speed?

  7. Lucky Chucky
    January 2, 2008 at 12:30 pm

    You didn’t say “alleged” robber. Bold move, or oversight?

  8. Anonymous
    January 2, 2008 at 1:04 pm

    Thanks Tad for the clarification. I didn’t know Heraldo obtained your approval prior to posting his articles.

  9. January 2, 2008 at 2:02 pm

    What would the drug testing accomplish?

  10. anon
    January 2, 2008 at 2:03 pm

    Tad has the problems with which side proves what under the law– at least where officers are concerned, he seems to forget all about the presumption of innocence. The defense doesn’t have to prove anything, it’s not a question of absolving the officers (or any other accused persons) unless and until there are facts supporting a charge of wrongdoing, which facts are tested at an open tribunal, at which the person or persons charged has the right to confront the accusers and present evidence. And if the evidence presented does not, even in the absence of a defense, meet the reasonable doubt standard, then the presumption of innocence is not overcome and the accused must be found not guilty. It is not incumbent, in the first instance, for the officer to “absolve” himself or herself.

  11. January 2, 2008 at 2:10 pm

    What would the drug testing accomplish?

    Wouldn’t you want to know if a cop involved in a shooting was intoxicated? Maybe Liles was simply over zealous during the Cooke shooting, or maybe he’s got a post-war, trauma related condition. Or maybe he was on meth. There’s no need for assumptions.

  12. January 2, 2008 at 2:34 pm

    Maybe Liles was simply over zealous during the Cooke shooting

    16 shots. I like the post war trauma angle better.

    The defense doesn’t have to prove anything, it’s not a question of absolving the officers

    Doesn’t Law enforcement have shooting review boards for every time an officer fires his weapon during a situation? Or have I been watching TV shows too much? I mean, 16 shots should have made the board recommend this guy be placed behind a desk. Of course he may already be off the streets, and I am just not aware of that.

    I would hate to think I work in a town where the cops wash their own dirty laundry, without some input from the DA or state.

    Very scary stuff.

    -boy

  13. January 2, 2008 at 2:46 pm

    Why would someone want to “honor” Cooke?

    I’m just glad I didn’t decide to visit my local neighborhood market on the night that he terrorized the place. That was one scary, violent, fucked up individual.

  14. Anonymous
    January 2, 2008 at 2:48 pm

    Under the stress of the perception of imminent death, it is not unusual for a person to think he or she has shot his or her gun once or twice, only to find out he or she has shot eight or more shots. When our existence is threatened, the adrenaline floods our body and brain, the results are primal, and only an armchair quarterback would expect the threatened person to react in a mild and restrained manner.

  15. January 2, 2008 at 2:54 pm

    Why would someone want to “honor” Cooke?

    I’m just glad I didn’t decide to visit my local neighborhood market on the night that he terrorized the place. That was one scary, violent, fucked up individual.

    I agree. My sympathies lie with the poor folks from Roger’s Market and the other spots he hit.

  16. tad
    January 2, 2008 at 3:08 pm

    Peace be with you.

    “until there are facts supporting a charge of wrongdoing”

    Obviously you mean facts like a dead person. Oh yea I forgot your the one who believes that killing people is a constitutionally guaranteed activity for law enforcers. Welcome to the new arerika. The truth is if you kill someone you have broken the law. No ands, ifs, or buts. If YOU can PROVE it was self-defense then you will be absolved. The same laws that apply to YOU apply to COPS.

    As I said before if you have ANY rule, law, or court case that defends your position of “police are above the law” please produce it, otherwise one must assume you are spreading misinformation for the police department.

    love eternal
    tad

  17. robash141
    January 2, 2008 at 3:14 pm

    This just seems pretty stupid
    another example of why Kim Starr or whoever is organizing the Copwatch demonstration is the most inept activist around..
    They truly are the best PR people the police
    have at this point..

  18. tad
    January 2, 2008 at 3:14 pm

    Peace be with you.

    I meant welcome to the ne Amerika. And hoover your still an ass.

    love eternal
    tad

  19. Not A Native
    January 2, 2008 at 3:16 pm

    Anon 2:03. I think you are interpreting Tad a little too literally.

    Police should and do have rules that regulate their special privilege to use force as part of their work. Ideally police arrest people on suspicion of a law violation without using force, but practically, force is sometimes needed. All shootings or serious injuries are investigated to verify that the rules for using force were appropriately followed. That’s not a trial or public tribunal subject to criminal procedures, its just enforcing the rules that police have to live by.

    Now, the question is how and by whom these investigations into use of force are done. Thats a matter for public elected officials to determine, since the police work under their authority.

    In the current circumstance there is some feelings among the populace that the Eureka police aren’t properly interpreting their own rules. The Eureka police chief has acknowledged his department has a problem of community perception.

    I’d like to think that the police management would make their investigations as transparent as possible and balance their real need to protect themselves from injury while minimizing injury caused to arrested suspects. They need to do better in that area to retain public confidence.

    There’s also an idea that police are warriors in a battle against evil and that gives them ethical virtue. And because their work involves intervening in personal crises, they are credited with moral virtue. All that said, the police have a very difficult job, but their perceived virtues shouldn’t be a justification for what they do. Like all organizations, they are subject to having poor performing employees that require discipline.

    Contrary to some popular beliefs fishing, logging, mining, roofing and truck driving, and farming are more lethal than police work, besides not paying as well. The pay differential for police is due to their moral/ethical status and I’m content that its justified.

  20. tad
    January 2, 2008 at 3:21 pm

    Peace be with you.

    Six deaths and your blaming Kim Starr? Has everyone gone mad? The cop gunned down a boy at point blank range and it took the EPD three days to find the supposed “knife.” The same cop shot a persoon under a sleeping bag, while other cops at the scene reframed from shooting. The victim was not involved in a crime when Lyles shot him. The same cop burst into Cheri Moore’s home. He’s a killer cop!

    Cops are not commisioned to kill people in lew of a court trial!

    love eternal
    tad

  21. Anonymous
    January 2, 2008 at 3:34 pm

    No Tad, everyone has not gone mad, just you. Just you, Tad.

  22. January 2, 2008 at 3:34 pm

    Sorry Tad, killing a person is simply a homicide. Whether its “illegal”(criminal or tort) depends on the facts. For example, capital punishment is homicide but not “illegal”(in some States).

  23. Anonymous
    January 2, 2008 at 3:35 pm

    (I love that Tad hates Hoover. I wouldn’t know anything about Tad or had any context for his rantings… had I not read his full-length rants in the Eye first. Don’t blame the newspaper for making you look bad. You do that all on your own, in your own words.)

  24. Rose
    January 2, 2008 at 3:36 pm

    No, Tad, you should be blaming the meth that is involved in one way or another in every one of the stories.

    You’re seriously promoting a vigil for an armed robber, heraldo”

    Omholt and Cooke robbed Roger’s Market — located in the 700 block of School Road in McKinleyville — (Mandi Denise Jackson, 30, of Eureka,) Jackson testified.

    On the night of the robbery, Jackson said Omholt was driving, Cooke sat in the front passenger’s seat and Jackson sat behind Cooke.

    During a pursuit involving Maus after the robbery, Jackson testified that she saw Omholt pass something over to Cooke before telling him, “in a stern voice,” to shoot the officer.

    Cooke leaned to his right, Jackson testified, and put a gun out the window, but the gun didn’t go off…

    And you’re really not kidding?

  25. January 2, 2008 at 3:40 pm

    Wouldn’t you want to know if a cop involved in a shooting was intoxicated? Maybe Liles was simply over zealous during the Cooke shooting, or maybe he’s got a post-war, trauma related condition. Or maybe he was on meth. There’s no need for assumptions.

    Yeah, but in every case? Whether there’s indication of it or not?

  26. Rose
    January 2, 2008 at 3:40 pm

    I agree. My sympathies lie with the poor folks from Roger’s Market and the other spots he hit. On that we agree, heraldo.

  27. Rose
    January 2, 2008 at 3:52 pm

    Just for the record, tad – Omholt, Cooke and Waymond Hiat Kelly, 24, had been linked to a spree of armed robberies in Eureka, Arcata and McKinleyville that date back to October, archives indicate. I’d get you more details but the dang Eureka Reporter links/archives/search aren’t working.

  28. tad
    January 2, 2008 at 4:03 pm

    Peace be with you Rose.

    I fail to see meth as a factor in “every one of the stories.” Cheri Moore had no drugs in her system; Chris Burgas was running away from the cops; Jonni Honda was out the door on his hands and knees; Zachry Cooke was under a blanket when Lyles burst through his door guns a blazing; Martin Cotton was beat to death and we were promised by Garr “pop-em-to -death” Nielsen he would be full of meth. Meth had nothing directly to do with any of these killings. You could argue that they were “bad” people and deserved to die, but only if you lived in a country that has no law.

    The cops all showed little self control, disregard of life and extremely violence tendencies – all signs of long term meth use.

    Killing someone except by order of a court of law is ILLEGAL. Yes, the DA can CHOOSE not to prosecute because he feels your AFFERMATIVE DEFENSE will prevail in court, but that is not the case in many of these killings and because it’s not the case it brings suspicion upon all EPD killings.

    We have a responsibility to create a safe place for ALL to live. If the ones who WE hired to do that turn into a bunch of vigilante killers then WE need to have investigations into why our courts have been circumvented. Its the COURTS who sentence one to death not Lyles. Who made Pop-‘em Judge, jury and executioner.

    love eternal
    tad

    AND: Hoover shut up. OK, yes you pulled my essays out of the post office garbage can and printed it in your tabloid. All my resulting success is yours to take credit for. Now leave me alone.

  29. Rose
    January 2, 2008 at 4:13 pm

    Only in your world, Tad, do you hold vigils to honor armed robbers. Bizzarro world.

  30. Not A Native
    January 2, 2008 at 4:15 pm

    So Rose, What’s your point? No sympathy for someone you feel “deserves” to be killed?

    And you have decided that on your own, based solely on clips from the paper and trial testimony? Well in one respect you and Tad are in perfect agreement. You don’t respect the legal system and would substitute your own personal judgements for it. While the legal system is far from perfect, its a damn sight better than some vigilante without an open prodedure or process deciding someone is a “bad” person and should be killed on sight.

  31. tad
    January 2, 2008 at 4:18 pm

    Peace be with you Rose.

    Heraldo said “honor” nobody else did.

    The following is the exact invite I recieved:

    “Please come to the Eureka Courthouse at Noon on Friday, January 4, 2007, in memoriam to Zachary and in protest of his unnecessary and unjustifiable death.”

    love eternal
    tad

  32. Anonymous
    January 2, 2008 at 4:27 pm

    Poor Tad things that everyone who casts a critical eye on his rants must be Hoover. You have Nick-syndrome.

  33. January 2, 2008 at 4:33 pm

    You’re seriously promoting a vigil for an armed robber, heraldo”

    I’m seriously not, rose. Blogging about something is not promoting it. Otherwise I’d be promoting Home Depot and Arkleyville. If I was promoting it I wouldn’t have called him a “robber” which I have no doubt he was.

  34. January 2, 2008 at 4:45 pm

    Yeah, but in every case? Whether there’s indication of it or not?

    Perhaps not. But certainly in some.

  35. mresquan
    January 2, 2008 at 5:03 pm

    The kid some fucked up shit,the police perhaps overreacted when killing him.I’d support some sort of observance of all incidents involving police misconduct over something geared to be sympathetic towards Cooke.Regardless,Terry Liles shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near a weapon.

  36. January 2, 2008 at 5:04 pm

    Well, on the other hand, how often does an officer actually kill somebody? It just seems like for the legit killing the experience is traumatic enough without immediately being put into the position of being a suspect.

  37. January 2, 2008 at 5:09 pm

    Well, instead of seeing it as “being put into the position of being a suspect” it could be seen as routine. Unfortunately you lose the opportunity if it’s not done immediately.

  38. mresquan
    January 2, 2008 at 5:20 pm

    I meant,the kid did some fucked up shit.

  39. quark
    January 2, 2008 at 5:35 pm

    Since the two most violent and out of control cops on the Eureka Police Department have both been promoted since Garr Nielsen has been Chief, we can only assume that Garr is a clueless moron or that Liles and Sanchez are blackmailing someone.

  40. Rose
    January 2, 2008 at 6:09 pm

    Or – if everything was hearts and flowers, quark, Cooke could have offered the officer tea before surrendering peacefully. But then, if he was that kind of person, he would have been bringing flowers to the clerk at Roger’s Market, not robbing her. What a wonderful world it would be

    Your cognizance of who is violent and out of control needs work.

  41. quark
    January 2, 2008 at 6:17 pm

    Zachary was shot in his sleep. He didn’t have time to brew tea. It doesn’t take a lot of courage to empty two clips into a pile of blankets.

    Just remember, Liles reloaded and then shot again. It was premeditated. Zachary knew they were going to kill him. That is why he was afraid to surrender.

    No one condones violence that Zachary may have committed. But people who are suspected of violent crimes are taken into custody every day all over the country by competent law enforcement without the suspect, police, or bystanders getting injured. Shootings are a RARITY. Except in Eureka. It is time to fix this.

  42. Anonymous
    January 2, 2008 at 6:38 pm

    Tad, don’t call Cooke a “boy.”
    If you really want to generate sympathy for a criminal preditor, call him a “baby.”

    As in, “The ruthless nazi-like policeman, Liles, sweat dripping from his forehead and blood dripping from his fangs, trembling with the desire to take another life, saw the baby beneath the blanket. Eyes bulging in anticipation of yet another murder of an innocent, the officer’s gun in his hand and his brain in tune with Beelzebub, his beloved diety, he thanked Satan for giving him his chance to attend the Academy. Now, straight ahead, lay his chance. Bang! Bang, Bang, Bang! And yet again, Bang! The baby now lay dead.

    How long, oh Lord, must the Good Citizens and the Residents of our Fair City endure such EEEville?

    When, oh, when will we rise up and have a good, old fashioned City Hall burning? Or better yet, why don’t we wipe Eureka off the face of the earth?

    Surely that would ameliorate the situation and please Tad, our spiritual Leader.

    All Hail, Tad, peace be upon Him.

  43. Anonymous
    January 2, 2008 at 6:47 pm

    Lieu, Tad, Lieu!

  44. tad
    January 2, 2008 at 6:51 pm

    Peace be with you all.

    First, two wrongs don’t make a right.

    Second, how would we know if it was “routine” unless an independant group with the powers to investigate

    Third, there is no way Hoover walked away from this blog.

    And last, I was calling 16 year old Chris Burgess a boy – and I shouldn’t have.

    love eternal
    tad

  45. humboldturtle
    January 2, 2008 at 6:53 pm

    Well, I guess this means the holidays are over.

  46. Anonymous
    January 2, 2008 at 7:02 pm

    Why doesn’t somebody like Heraldo list the bad things this Cooke individual did? Just so we all know what kind of person he was.

    And did he write any children’s books?

  47. quark
    January 2, 2008 at 7:09 pm

    The crimes that Zachary Cooke alledgedly committed were serious and their impact on some very real victims should not be discounted, but they would not call for the death penalty. Zachary Cooke was shot gangland style without a trial, and without a chance to surrender.

  48. Redacted
    January 2, 2008 at 7:39 pm

    Amazing how many people will worship vicious murderers who wear badges. They must think that in a police state, if they kiss enough rectum they won’t be the next one killed. And they’re probably right…for the time being. This country is looking more and more like Germany in the 1930s, and once the criminals who’ve taken over our government take off their gloves, more than a few lick-spittle toadies will get exterminated along with the rest.

  49. Anonymous
    January 2, 2008 at 7:41 pm

    Typical cop-hating pinhead.

  50. January 2, 2008 at 7:48 pm

    Point number 1, all police officers involved in in-custody deaths, including shootings, are required and escorted by an investigator from the “CIRT” team to the hospital for a blood draw. This isn’t new and has been done for a number of years. Point number 2, Tad, the knife in the Burgess shooting was found immediately after the shooting and not three days later as you would have everyone believe. How do I know this, because I was one of the investigating detectives who by the grace of God escaped Humboldt County. Maybe you should check you facts before you spout off.

  51. tad
    January 2, 2008 at 8:16 pm

    Peace be with you.

    Have told me who you are? I only have the close watch of the papers to know when the knife was exposed. Thanks. Do you mind if I get in touch?

    love eternal
    tad

  52. quark
    January 2, 2008 at 8:26 pm

    “How do I know this, because I was one of the investigating detectives who by the grace of God escaped Humboldt County.”

    Then you maybe can tell us what is wrong with the Eureka Police Department? Please.

  53. Jesus
    January 2, 2008 at 8:34 pm

    Why ask him? Ask me. I know everything.

  54. Yo...
    January 2, 2008 at 8:38 pm

    Tad,

    Peas be with you…

    You spout things (three days before the knife was found) and then quiveringly offer “do you mind if I get in touch” when corrected…

    I agree with robash (I know, will wonders never cease) this is the worst thing that Kim Starr and her socalled Copwatch could hope to do as far as trying to arouse public sympathy…

    Zachary Cooke was “asleep”???

    uhhh yeah….sure

  55. January 2, 2008 at 9:09 pm

    “It doesn’t take a lot of courage to empty two clips into a pile of blankets.”

    Most people would be frightened of a “pile of blankets” if they had knowledge that a violent thug like Zachary Cooke lie underneath it.

  56. Anonymous
    January 2, 2008 at 9:26 pm

    CPR is capable of rational thought!

  57. Anonymous
    January 2, 2008 at 9:27 pm

    Tad thinks it took three days to find the knife because it took three days for the Times-Standard to decide to print a photograph of the knife in the paper, at full size. Tad confuses reportage with reality.

  58. Lucky Chucky
    January 2, 2008 at 9:52 pm

    Cooke was not asleep under that “pile of blankets”. Some here are conveniently failing to mention that he fired off at least one round from the shotgun that he had BEFORE the officer(s) returned fire, in self-defense, and thus ended the threat.

    Piece be with you.

  59. Deana K.
    January 2, 2008 at 10:12 pm

    It has not been established by anyone that the shotgun was fired at all, let alone at an officer.

    Terry Liles admitted that he fired into the pile of blankets, reloaded and fired some more. That is without dispute.

  60. mresquan
    January 2, 2008 at 10:27 pm

    There is dispute as to whether the first shot was fired by Cooke or another officer in another room.

  61. Anonymous
    January 2, 2008 at 10:49 pm

    I agree with Deana K. We must punish the blanket-haters among us.

  62. quark
    January 2, 2008 at 11:12 pm

    “Point number 1, all police officers involved in in-custody deaths, including shootings, are required and escorted by an investigator from the “CIRT” team to the hospital for a blood draw. This isn’t new and has been done for a number of years.”

    So what were the results of Terry Liles’ tests after the Burgess and the Cooke shootings? Oh and what were Rocky Harpham’s results after the Cheri Moore killing? And how about the drug test results from the eight or ten cops that beat Martin Cotton to death? We the people would like to know, and thanks for letting us know about this drug testing protocol. We hope you are not lying about this.

    We would also like to know if Terry Liles has EVER been suspended at ANY time for ANYTHING. Or is that a secret too?

  63. Rose
    January 2, 2008 at 11:13 pm

    Remember this – Cooke shooting ‘justified,’ DA says
    The Eureka Police Department announced early Wednesday that the Humboldt County District Attorney will file no charges in the Jan. 4 shooting death of 18-year-old Zachary Cruz Cooke.

    A news release issued by the EPD stated DA Paul Gallegos “affirmed” the department’s conclusion that officers “acted lawfully and in self-defense and the use of deadly force was reasonable and justified.”

    Cooke was killed by police during an arrest attempt after a string of Eureka-area robberies and shootings in which he was believed to have been involved…

  64. Anonymous
    January 3, 2008 at 12:00 am

    Quark sounds like a made-up name.

  65. quark
    January 3, 2008 at 6:38 am

    “Quark sounds like a made-up name.”

    What was your first clue? That it didn’t start with “A?”

  66. robash141
    January 3, 2008 at 7:00 am

    It kind of odd that Kim Starr and Copwatch/People project didn’t hold a Protest event to honor Johnni Honda..
    Maybe they intended to but were slamming the bong too hard that day and couldn’t get it together that day

  67. Stanley
    January 3, 2008 at 7:53 am

    Maybe it’s because all of John Honda’s friends were all cops? Honda was allegedly a meth using sexual deviate. We don’t know for sure. But we do know he was a cop wannabe. Because all his friends were cops he got a few extra days of life that was not given to Cheri Moore or Chris Burgess or Zachary Cooke.

  68. tad
    January 3, 2008 at 8:52 am

    Peace be with you.

    Good morning.

    King65 may or may not be an investigator. I don’t know yet, but if he is he should be willing to be questioned about his findings, especially Lyles meth and steroid use. I have other reasons to believe it took EPD three days to find “a” knife. Unfortunately people’s lives and wellbeing are at stake here. Like the witnesses at Martin’s execution witness at Chris’s fear the death squads will target them if they come forward. But I am not the only one who knows that EPD was searching for something for three days and then quit at the same time as the paper printed the knife photo. It has also been pointed out to me, by someone who should know, that the photo was not of the knife that Chris had on the day in question. You can buy into any crap you want, but I am still unconvinced.

    It is way too time consuming to debunk all the lies manufactured here. Obviously the glass-house, stone-throwers think they know what the prevailing sentiments are among the poor are. All I can do is lead the horse to water, the rest is up to you. Follow the blind if you wish, but don’t be surprised when you both end up in a ditch. But remember there are more people researching these cases then just your honor-code, law-enforcement, critical incident response team.

    love eternal
    tad

  69. mresquan
    January 3, 2008 at 8:56 am

    I listened to this go down on a scanner,and there was no mention of any knife being involved until about 15 minutes after the killing.I’d think that would be something reported immediately since him wielding it was the reported sole reason for killing Burgess.As for when it was actually found,I don’t know.

  70. quark
    January 3, 2008 at 9:17 am

    Garr Nielsen needs to come forward TODAY and affirm that his officers get drug tested after violent incidents, and he needs to state how long this protocol has existed. This is material evidence to several criminal trials and civil lawsuits.

    If Nielsen affirms this, then the drug test results are discoverable in a court of law. If Nielson does not, then “nash65” is a liar, a troll and a misinformation whore.

    You be the judge.

  71. quark
    January 3, 2008 at 9:45 am

    I mistyped “nash65” I meant “king65”

    And also, it is possible that “king65” is telling the truth but Garr might lie. I should have said that, and if that is the case I will owe “king65” an apology.

  72. Rose
    January 3, 2008 at 10:53 am

    Nielsen doesn’t have to do anything to please YOU, an anonymous person posting his demands and snipes on a blog.

  73. Anonymous
    January 3, 2008 at 1:57 pm

    Things I learned here today:

    1) Johnny Honda was a friend to the cops. (I never heard that before anywhere, even on these blogs. Why not? Is Tad the only person in the whole wide world who knows The Truth about these things?)

    2) The Knife in the newspaper was not the Real Knife! (Why is this the first time I’ve read about this? Could it be because Tad just made it up?)

  74. Dream
    January 3, 2008 at 3:09 pm

    Summary Execution of any persons,at odds with the law,is not acceptable.All means were not used to try and bring Zachary in alive.Indeed they made sure Not to try and do it right.So heres the crux of it all,so long as the rogue officer carries a gun and badge he represents This community,he is an extension of every person who resides here.He Is YOU, and each of Yes YOU too are responsible.Dig me?Until we as a community say NO MORE!Then set into place measures to stop future abuse of police power,then only then can we say we are trying to wield our police force in a proper manner.Oh I guess I forgot to mention that I believe the Police are the representatives of the laws and morals of ourselves.So every day that goes by and we have not corrected these things, so every day should we all burn in hell for our shortcomings that are knowingly taking human life.

  75. tad
    January 3, 2008 at 3:21 pm

    Peace be with you.

    I didn’t know Honda was friends with the cops. Whoever posted that was not me. I will however entertain that idea if someone can give me a lead on that.

    I was told the knife was missing while they were still looking for it. It is perhaps the reason Lyles keeps fucking in Chris’s mom’s life. Lyles had beat Chris a year before he murdered him. The family knows about the knife, but with Lyles personal vendetta they don’t dare come forward.

    Remember OJ got to skate on the murder charges, but the truth came out in the civil suit.

    I think we need a police review board, to be able to rule out evidence tampering.

    love eternal
    tad

  76. Anonymous
    January 3, 2008 at 3:28 pm

    Great, so Heraldo will pump up Verbana and her CopWatch ego-fest of counter-productivity, but then slams the door in the face of the mainstream police review movement. How sad for our community to suffer under these ego-activists who are more interested in grandstanding than in standing up to corrupt politicians.

  77. redacted
    January 3, 2008 at 3:40 pm

    That’s MISTER pinhead to you, you nauseating lick-spittle toady.
    BTW, I don’t hate cops…unless they’re corrupt vicious killers hopped up on steroids (or meth, or a “natural” high from beating up victims).

  78. January 3, 2008 at 5:43 pm

    Tad, my name is Curt Honeycutt, I worked for EPD for almost 12 years and was a detective for the last three and a half years before I left, I have no problem with you or anyone else who visits this site knowing who I am. The knife you speak of was recovered that very day and that very moment after the shooting. The knife photographed was identified by the person who not only purchased it for him but by the probations officers he brandished it at as well as the officer. Officer Liles is not a drug user or a steroid user and needs no further comment.

    To “Quark Says,” Under the Humboldt County Officer Involved Fatal Indident Investigation Guidlines, their is a section clearly labled “Intoxicant Testing” and is followed by the CIRT investigators. Department policy also speaks to this testing. What’s wrong with EPD? There is nothing wrong for EPD. Remember, everything you hear is not always true, nor should it be taken at face value. I won’t speak for Chief Nielson, but if I’m not wrong, department policy should be available for public review.

    To “Mresquan Says,” as far as the radio traffic you heard/listened to on the day Burgess was shot, I too heard it and listened to it many times, and trust me the knife is mentioned.

    I would love to provide you with all the facts and answers to your quetions, but I no longer work for EPD, nor do I find it my responsibility. Remember, in all of the shootings you speak of and comment about, PVG had all the facts and ruled that the shootings were justified, and for good reason. The Cheri Moore incident is another beast in itself and you probably can guess where I stand on the issue.

    And Tad, I hope peace is with all of us.

  79. January 3, 2008 at 6:08 pm

    are detectives supposed to take “stances” on issues?
    i thought that they are hired to gather evidence for trial……….arent they sworn to secrecy? hard to believe that our public officers would be allowed to talk about evidence on a blogsite…..

  80. January 3, 2008 at 6:34 pm

    “The other me,” what, my opinion is no more worthy than yours just because I’m a police officer. The information I provided was made public many months ago, by me and others in press releases, also, if you forgot there is no active investigation and no more evidence to be collectd, the case was closed by PVG himself many months ago. And yes, cops take stances too, do you have a problem with that.

    As far as this “secrecy” thing goes, which everyone always bitches about, would you have us “the police” keep everything from you. When wrong information is given, I believe it is important to correct, don’t you.

  81. Rose
    January 3, 2008 at 7:13 pm

    Thank you, Curt.

  82. nobody
    January 3, 2008 at 7:13 pm

    Zachary Cooke’s family and friends are the one’s organizing this memorial…..because someone they loved was murdered……have some respect….there are a lot of people who have committed “crime”….probably some loved ones of yours…

  83. January 3, 2008 at 7:34 pm

    curt,
    i appreciate all the info i can get about any public institution. i was just wondering what the laws were regarding talking about evidence…..

    as for your opinion, i would guess that you have more info than the average person does about these cases. on that basis alone, i value your take on the situations.

    as far as cops taking stances, im all for it…as long as it is based on evidence..

  84. Yo...
    January 3, 2008 at 8:37 pm

    Didnt the results of the D.A.’s investigation turn up the fact that the shotgun had in fact been fired?

    It also sounds like what copwatch is asking for – drug testing IS, in fact being done….

  85. Anonymous
    January 3, 2008 at 8:42 pm

    I’ll go further and say I appreciate police officers who offer to share thoughts based on their education and personal experiences in law enforcement.

    Curt, here is your chance to explain how difficult it is to shoot the weapon out of a suspect’s hand. If Roy Rogers could do it in hundreds of movies, why can’t the officers of the Eureka Police Department do it here?

    Just kidding.

    Seriously, thanks for writing thoughtfully from your perspective about these troubling events and issues.

  86. Yo...
    January 3, 2008 at 8:46 pm

    nobody, you say to “have some respect”…

    I dont think there is anyone here who doesnt think this is not a tragic end to a life, but to try and lay this at the feet of police when Zachary shot at officers, and engaged in violent felonies is also disrespectful.

    Was it “having some respect” committing armed robberies where the vicitims were truly innocent?

    No, young Mr. Cooke chose his own unfortunate path.
    I respect the family and friends wanting to memorialize their friend and family member, but I do not consider the Copwatch crowd protest to be part of this; if friends and family are doing this along side of copwatch, then you are allowing yourselves to be manipulated by them.

  87. Rose
    January 3, 2008 at 8:56 pm

    I think all of us have respect for a family wishing to hold a memorial. That hasn’t been mentioned as what was going on at all until just now.

  88. robash141
    January 3, 2008 at 9:48 pm

    Hell has Officially Frozen over
    I agree with both Yo and Rose.

    To most people Zachary Cooke was a violent young thug who had an unfortunate tenancy to get into gun battles with the Police. It’s no surprise that he would end up shot dead.

    His friends and family obviously know a different side of him If they want to come together and have a memorial to remember their friend that’s fine.

    However they shouldn’t kid themselves that there was anything noble or romantic about the way this guy went out. just a bad bad scene..

    if Redwood Curtain Copwatch thinks they are going to make any political hay off Zacary Cooke they are being stupid

  89. Rose
    January 3, 2008 at 10:29 pm

    Let’s go ice skatin’ robash. ‘Cause I agree with everything you just said.

  90. Stanley
    January 3, 2008 at 10:58 pm

    http://co.humboldt.ca.us/distatty/pdf/FinalHondasshootingLtr.pdf

    At approximately 0205 hours, negotiators from the CNT made contact with Honda via telephone.

    The decision was made to utilize Detective Hubbard to speak with Honda because of their past

    relationship. Honda and Detective Hubbard engaged in a lengthy conversation for approximately

    two or three hours. During this conversation Honda inferred he had a gun and made statements to

    the effect that, while he did not want to die, he was not going to jail. Detective Hubbard

    attempted to convince Honda to surrender peacefully.8 While negotiators continued to have

    periodic contact with Honda throughout the night, the SWAT team and assisting officers remained on the perimeter
    positions covering Honda’s motel room.

    Detective Hubbard’s conversation with Honda was not recorded.8 While negotiators continued to have

    periodic contact with Honda throughout the night, the SWAT team and assisting officers remained on the perimeter
    positions covering Honda’s motel room.

    Detective Hubbard’s conversation with Honda was not recorded.

  91. Anonymous
    January 3, 2008 at 11:07 pm

    It’s copy and paste night at Heraldo’s Bar and Grill. No need to bring your own opinions.

  92. Anonymous
    January 3, 2008 at 11:31 pm

    Not true!

    I can’t make the copy and paste feature work no matter how I try!

  93. Anonymous
    January 3, 2008 at 11:32 pm

    Here, Tad, is some good advice.

    Spell the officer’s name correctly if you want to appear knowledgeable about the situation.

    “Liles” not “Lyles.”

  94. Anonymous
    January 3, 2008 at 11:38 pm

    If the sun shines tomorrow on the Courthouse at noon, we will know God favors the demonstrators there. If it blows a gale, we will know the opposite. By such signs and portents do we mortals guess the Will of the Almighty.

    (I’m just practicing for our new life under Reverend President Huckabee.)

  95. January 4, 2008 at 1:00 am

    “Let’s go ice skatin’ robash.”

    How about bowling? Lefty vs. righty bowling teams — Harbor Lanes has a full bar. Does anyone know how to keep score?

  96. Anonymous
    January 4, 2008 at 1:21 am

    Machines keep score for us. No need to use our brains.

  97. quark
    January 4, 2008 at 5:54 am

    This is from Heraldo 2006:

    http://humboldt-herald.blogspot.com/2006_06_01_archive.html

    So I was a little shocked to see the editorial by Officer Curtis Honeycutt, who accused residents and “protestors” of lacking outrage over the April 30th homicide of 24 year-old Eureka resident Trevvor Davenport.

    After years of police crackdowns on local protestors, it rings hollow to read a police officer’s lament that citizens are not protesting this particular homicide. Certainly, the death of that young man is a tragedy. But Officer Honeycutt appears to have ulterior motives in this editorial. Namely, to accuse residents who are upset over the police shooting of Cherri Moore of politicizing her death.

    Is Officer Honeycutt suggesting that if there was a public demonstration over the death of Trevvor Davenport that he would drape his arms over the shoulders of the protestors and join in the mourning?

    Of course not. He is simply echoing the cries of the Dikeman camp that accuses Paul Gallegos of using the police shooting of Cheri Moore for political gain. Oddly, it is Dikeman and his police officer campaign managers who repeatedly use the Cheri Moore killing as political fodder.

    Officer Honeycutt says Cheri Moore “chose her outcome” of being shot in her home nine times by police. Residents of this community beg to differ.

    This blogger’s outrage over the hasty killing of Moore began upon reading the following quote printed the day her death, when a member of the SWAT team who apparently had an itchy trigger finger said over the walkie-talkie, “just advise when HNT (or hostage negotiations team) is not an option, and then we can resolve it.”

    That resolution was the end of Cheri Moore’s life, and the beginning of a tasteless politicization of her memory by the very people who caused her death.

  98. Anonymous
    January 4, 2008 at 9:40 am

    quark, in a post that surprised me, reminded me of just who this Curt Honeycutt is. I remembered the name while reading his post above but I couldn’t remember where I had seen it before. Now I do.

    Honeycutt is the police officer who wrote that unbelievably cruel comment blaming Cheri Lynn Moore for her own death. In that same opinion piece, Honeycutt excoriated the citizens of Eureka because he did not approve of the way they chose to mourn the death of Trevvor Davenport.

    Of all the things done by police in the aftermath of the Moore shooting, none showed more evidence of hostility toward Eureka’s people than what Curt Honeycutt wrote.

    If I believed that more than a few other Eureka Police officers shared his venomous attitudes toward the mentally ill and to Eureka’s citizens, I would be demonstrating at the courthouse, too.

    It is precisely because I have found Eureka Police officers to be respectful, decent, and humane in my personal dealings with them over the course of over 30 years living here that I have supported them during all these recent controversies. I have seen them exercise great restraint and kindness to people in the throes of acute mental distress, for example.

    quark, answer this question for me, please.

    Do you have any evidence that Honeycutt does represent anyone other than himself? Is he, in other words, speaking for what others in the police department believe? Or is he representing only his own unique view?

  99. quark
    January 4, 2008 at 9:46 am

    The answer is that I don’t know. I am a person who has lost a friend to the Eureka Police Department and I will not forget my friend. My personal experience with the Eureka Police Department has not been bad either.

    My only knowledge of Honeycutt is what he has posted here and what I have found in research.

    My analysis is that Honeycutts reappearance here has much more to do with the Cheri Moore indictments than a little demonstration in support of Zachary Cookes friends and family.

  100. Anonymous
    January 4, 2008 at 10:08 am

    quark, I appreciate your being honest about what you know and don’t know about Mr. Honeycutt.

    I’m sorry you lost a friend. A violent end makes the loss almost unbearable.

    I’d like to ask another favor. As you look into this situation, would you see if you find any other editorials by Eureka Police officers commenting on the Moore shooting or other shootings. If any other officers did write opinion pieces, it might give us a better picture of just how representative Mr. Honeycutt’s writings are.

    For my part, I don’t remember any such editorials, except for the one Honeycutt wrote.

    You notice he said above that he escaped Humboldt County by the grace of God. That makes me wonder if he left the EPD voluntarily. Maybe his departure wasn’t voluntary? Maybe writing the editorial hastened his departure?

  101. quark
    January 4, 2008 at 10:15 am

    There was a very obnoxious letter written to the Eureka Reporter by Murl Harpham that got a scathing answer from Dr. Wendy Ring. I don’t have the source handy but lots of people should remember it.

  102. Rose
    January 4, 2008 at 10:18 am

    The reason you’re losing police officers (voluntarily, 10:08) is because they are not willing to risk their lives for a community that turns so rabidly irrational and hateful.

  103. Anonymous
    January 4, 2008 at 10:36 am

    This is 10:08, Rose.

    I have stood up publicly to defend the Eureka Police Department and its officers when only a handful of Eurekans could summon the nerve to stand up and speak on their behalf.

    So don’t imply that my honest questions are motivated by hatred. Making such a statement about me says more about your own character than it does about mine. Look into your own heart before you attack others.

    Instead of aiming your barbs at me, why not help me find answers to the questions I asked?

    By the way, you misunderstood what I wrote. I did not ask why anyone other than Curt Honeycutt left the EPD.

  104. Anonymous
    January 4, 2008 at 10:39 am

    quark, I do remember that exchange of letters, but I’m foggy on the details now.

    Heraldo, the link to Officer Honeycutt’s opinion piece about Trevvor Davenport and Cheri Moore is broken. Could you find a new way to link us to it?

    Maybe a link to the exchange between Murl Harpham and Wendy Ring could be found, too?

  105. quark
    January 4, 2008 at 10:44 am
  106. tad
    January 4, 2008 at 10:46 am

    Peace be with you Honeycutt,

    I was pretty sure you were King65, but the way people are bailing from the EPD I wasn’t sure. I have some questions.

    1. When did you leave the EPD?
    2. Were you asked to resign?
    3. In the Cheri Moore murder, why was Mengal allowed to “secure [his] weapon in [his] car?”
    4. Was Mengal asked to resign?
    5. Were you the “lead” investigator in the Chris Burgess murder?
    6. Was the knife found in the Burgess case ever dusted for finger prints?
    7. Was Lyles informed that Chris may have had a weapon prior to going into the raven?
    8. Was it EPD policy at the time for Lyles to “go-it-alone” in the face of an armed fugitive?
    9. Did any other witness besides embarrassed PO’s Schaening, Fennell, and McClaughlin, or off duty sheriff Jon “mojo man” Syliva see a knife in Chris’s hand after he left the Dolbeer lane address?
    10. We know your were an investigator in the Moore murder, the Burgess murder, were you an CIRT investigator in the Honda, Cooke, or Cotton killings?
    AND: Who shot Cheri Moore in the back of the head?

    I will always have doubts when the EPD investigates EPD to prove the EPD did no wrong. I know how EPD officers lie as to probable cause for terry stops. I know how EPD lie to get convictions. And I am pretty sure I know EPD lies to cover up murders.
    Besides there is no “good kill.”

    love eternal
    tad

  107. Rose
    January 4, 2008 at 10:47 am

    Wasn’t aimed at you 10:08 – was merely in response to your suggestion that he left unwillingly. He is not the only one who has left and is leaving.

  108. quark
    January 4, 2008 at 10:56 am

    EPD Capt. Murl Harpham, who just came off a stint as the city’s interim chief of police, says there have never been police calls to Skjonsby’s other rental unit.

    Harpham has worked for the EPD since the late ’50s. He said that in his experience, small claims court lawsuits against negligent home owners or landlords aren’t all that common — but threatening a lawsuit is.

    Harpham remembers one longtime methamphetamine user who inherited millions, bought a home in one of the best Eureka neighborhoods — houses in the $900,000 range — and proceeded to make her palatial digs into a drug den. “People were five minutes in, five minutes out,” he says. “And the neighbors got very upset. So I got them all together and said ‘Here are your options.’ Then I talked to the owner and told her what might happen if she didn’t clean up her act. Well, she didn’t. So I met with the neighbors again and told them how to file small claims. These people don’t need $5,000. They just want their damn neighborhood back.

    “I personally served her the papers. The next day I got a call from her attorney, a guy I know real well. He said, we need to meet. Can we settle this? So we went to his office and met and he basically says, what do we need to do?”

    According to Harpham, the woman agreed to shape up — she took her business elsewhere, anyway. “The problem stopped,” he says. “We don’t get any more calls up there.”

    http://www.northcoastjournal.com/041207/cover0412.html

  109. Rose
    January 4, 2008 at 4:49 pm

    So the “memorial” was on the Courthouse lawn. Yeah, it sounds like a simple family “memorial.” Just wanting to quietly grieve in private.

  110. Anonymous
    January 4, 2008 at 6:30 pm

    I’ve been posting here and I meant at least to drive past the Courthouse at noon, but I missed my opportunity.

    Did anyone else attend or see what happened?

  111. Anonymous
    January 4, 2008 at 8:17 pm

    Well, my electricity is still on, so my computer is still computerizing. I guess everybody else’s juice is off, or there’d be more posts here.

    Did anybody see the 6 o’clock news? Did they cover the courthouse story?

  112. gmf
    January 4, 2008 at 10:03 pm

    Seems like the penalty for shooting a gun at the police could be getting shot, robbery suspect or whatever.

    Seems pretty reasonable to me. Sad that it had to occur, but I don’t have a problem with it.

  113. gmf
    January 4, 2008 at 10:34 pm

    I drove by around one o’clock and saw about 12 unattractive losers getting wet. It brought a smile to my face. Opps, that maay offend some of you freaks. How am I going to sleep tonight?

    Reading this thread has been entertaining. Bottom line, Cooke was a wanted person, wanted for robbery and more. Cooke fired his shotgun one time, whether or not he fired at the officer, had an accidental shooting, or was trying to commit suicide it doesn’t really matter. Shoot at a cop, brandish a gun at a cop AND SHOOT IT OFF and there is a very good chance the cops going to shoot back. It’s not murder, it’s not execution, it’s self defense and a fact of life. So the copper shot a lot of rounds off. So what, all of them didn’t connect, maybe he was a “tad” bit scared (as a reasonalbe person would be under the same ccircumstances).

    Sorry this is not too “PC” but his family should be embarrased one of their family was a criminal. I do concede that Cook had a crappy life and a real freak for a daddy. Cooke’s daddy is a notorious child molester (Convicted).

    I read the cop watch website. They are soo tainted and onesided. They leave out the basic facts. It you beiieved what they wrote you’d have to believe the cops just walk up to people and shoot them just because. The cops have all kinds of contacts or run ins with criminals and crazies every day. Very few are shot or injured by the cops.

    Tad and Mresqueen must be queer for each other ! That’s OK, remember was Bill Clinton said “don’t ask don’t tell”. You’re secret’s safe with me.

    Peace be with you hypocrites and freaks.

  114. Anonymous
    January 4, 2008 at 10:56 pm

    Thanks, asshole. That’s the way to gain support for your position. Call your opponents queer. Idiot.

  115. Anonymous
    January 4, 2008 at 11:40 pm

    KIEM-TV News at 11 tonight did not cover the noon events at the Courthouse.

    If the Times-Standard doesn’t run an article tomorrow praising the protesters and castigating the cops, it will be a shock. It will also be a welcome change. The T-S has been casting EPD and its officers as villains since the new editor came aboard. Let’s hope any articles about these matters in the future are objective.

  116. Anonymous
    January 5, 2008 at 8:12 am

    Thanks, asshole. That’s the way to gain support for your position. Call your opponents idiots. Simpleton.

  117. mresquan
    January 5, 2008 at 8:49 am

    Huh?

  118. January 5, 2008 at 9:00 am

    If two anonymous fight on a blog thread, do we see it?

  119. tad
    January 5, 2008 at 9:02 am

    Peace be with you gmf.

    I believe “queer” is an adjective, not an adverb. One can not be “queer” for something, though something can be “queer.”

    “How am I going to sleep tonight?”

    I know how you are going to sleep tonight – your going to get wasted on booze or pills and pass out like you do every night. Come on dude, just ‘cause you lie to yourself convincingly, don’t believe for one second that the rest of us can’t see through your bullshit like it is a freshly washed window.

    love eternal
    tad

  120. Anonymous
    January 5, 2008 at 9:27 am

    Tad is mean to people.

  121. Anonymous
    January 5, 2008 at 11:11 am

    Anonymous 8:12 am is pretty clever for a mron.

  122. Anonymous
    January 5, 2008 at 11:14 am

    Thanks, asshole. That’s the way to gain support for your position. Call your opponents mrons. Jackss.

  123. Tripps
    January 5, 2008 at 11:21 am

    Stop visiting those prn sites before you come here. Stcky keys ar a sure sin that you hve been thre.

  124. Anonymous
    January 5, 2008 at 11:58 am

    What’s wrong with popcorn?

  125. gmf
    January 5, 2008 at 12:26 pm

    what’s wrong with Tad ?

  126. Anonymous
    January 5, 2008 at 1:32 pm

    …dropped on his head as a baby.

  127. Michael
    January 6, 2008 at 7:06 am

    Anonymous Says:
    January 3, 2008 at 11:38 pm

    “If the sun shines tomorrow on the Courthouse at noon, we will know God favors the demonstrators there.”

    The sun came out precisely at noon and shone brightly on the courthouse lawn for 10 minutes. Just thought you might want to know.

    Peace to you.

  128. January 6, 2008 at 11:51 am

    Wow, I lose my internet connection due to the storm and suddenly I’m behind the eight ball.

    My editoral on the Trevvor Davenport case, which is still unsolved and deserves attention, was in no way to down play the death of Cheiri Moore, nor are my comments a down play on the death of Mr. Cooke; however, don’t take my comment or feelings as an indication that what the officers in these incidents did was wrong, big suprise huh. Believe it or not, any loss of life is tragic, cops are human too, and for those of you who believe otherwise is okay and does not bother me.

    No, I did not get forced out of EPD or leave becasue I did anything wrong, that’s funny though. If you really want to know, I left because it was no longer the Humboldt Co. I had once come to love. As many hours as I worked and as hard as I tried things only seemed to keep getting worse, plus I need to think about where I wanted to be when I retired, retirement medical is gold and the City of Eureka will never pay it. Plus, there are many other pretty places in the California to work.

    Tad, you have so many questions. I would love to answer them but to do so on this web site would not be appropriate. I wish to foucus my attention on my new home and community and only got involved in this post because I’m tired of all the specutaltion and wrong info being provided. And if you really want to know, I left EPD in April of 2006 as have many of my friends and fellow co-workers, makes you wonder doesn’t it……

    Rose, keep up the good work, you are a breath of fresh air. If people really want to know why officers are leaving, they need to re-read your 10:18 post.

    To Anonymous 10:08 and Quark, you are two peas in a pod. Maybe the two of you should strap on some badges and give it a try. CR has a great police academy and CA needs cops. And when you face a real life and death situation with only seconds to make a decision, only then will you understand what we do, and only then will I respect your opinion when it comes to these matters surrounding officer involved shootings, any one can Monday day quarterback. Do you know how many police officers gave their lives in the last month, I’ll tell you; a detective in Sac, shot in the neck by a 16 yr old gang banger, and a deputy in Tulare Co., shot seven times by a coward in an orchard. How about the CHP officer who was run over by a child molester in El Dorado Co., I can go on but I hope I made my point.

    Not matter what you believe, you should be proud of the members of EPD, because what ever your opinion of them, when you pick up the phone and are in need of help they will come. Would you?

    And yes, I’m sure I’ll be berated over my comments, but hey, I have thick skin; however, you have no right to belittle or question my dedictation I had for the citizens of Eureka when I worked for EPD.

    To all, happy New Year.

  129. Anonymous
    January 6, 2008 at 3:02 pm

    This is 10:08, but hey, what do you care about what I write? The fact that I am one of EPD’s most vocal supporters seems to mean nothing to you.

    Maybe it would help you to know that I wrote a number of other anonymous posts before 10:08, most, I believe quite supportive of the police.

    Maybe if you re-read what I wrote, you would understand that I have been a solid supporter of the EPD from the beginning. But if a person asks one or two questions, you get defensive and question my support of all law enforcement.

    People shouldn’t have to have their worth as a human being questioned if they dare to ask a few sensible questions about the actions of their police department.

    When you get so defensive that you can’t bear to have anybody ask any questions about what you do, it makes a body wonder whether you are being honest about what you do say.

    By the way, did you ever apologize for what you wrote in that cruel editorial comment? You wrote that Ms. Moore had chosen to be shot to death in her own apartment. Did you ever publicly acknowledge that a person who suffers from mental illness might not be able to make any rational choices, much less the choice to end her own life?

    What I wanted to know is whether your attitude of blaming Ms. Moore for her own death and blaming all Eurekans for what you incorrectly perceived as indifference to the death of Trevvor Davenport was shared by other officers of the Eureka Police Department. Back when I first read your editorial comment, I felt your strong negative attitudes were NOT REPRESENTATIVE of the officers of the Eureka Police Department. Those officers have always been effective because they treat people with the dignity they deserve as human beings. Obviously I am not saying your former fellow officers smile and make nice when someone is pointing a gun at them. (And by the way, two of my close family are fulltime officers in law enforcement, which reflects my family’s longtime support for law enforcement.)

    What I am saying is that I think people reading your writings will form a judgment that EPD officers are angry and bitter toward the people they serve. I don’t believe that’s true. I believe you are especially angry and bitter, and that’s why you are not representative of the other (current) officers of the EPD.

    Having said all that, I also understand how difficult it is to sort out one anonymous poster from another. But take it from me, I have written many of the anonymous posts above that have defended the Eureka Police Department and even complimented you personally for sharing your perspectives with us here.

    I do wish you well.

  130. robash141
    January 6, 2008 at 3:48 pm

    I apprecieate former Detective Hunnycutt coming here to share his perspective.
    While I certainly won’t question his dedication to his work
    I remember his op-ed about the Trevorr Davenoport cases I felt that it reinforced an unfortunate sterotype that many people have regarding the EPD.
    Trevorr Davenport was related to a number of well-off and politically well connected Humboldt county citizens.

    Cheri Moore was a poor person with mental illness living on the margins of society with no money or connections.

    While that certainly doesn’t make young Mr Davenport’s death any less tragic or outrageous. or mean that his family is any less entitled to our sympathy

    Your op-ed gave us a rather telling glimpse of the how The EPD and Humboldt officialdum veiws people’s relative worth based on thier money and political connections.

    The rich family gets promised the “country club treatment” by the EPD while the poor metally ill person gets summarily blasted down like an dog.

  131. robash141
    January 6, 2008 at 3:50 pm

    Sorry former detective Honeycutt for the mispelling of your name.

  132. Anonymous
    January 6, 2008 at 4:44 pm

    I am the guy known as Anonymous poster 10:08 and I strongly disagree with “robash141.”

    I have seen the Eureka Police Department respond to situations where a mentally ill person in distress, or in some cases, a drunk person, has been acting up in public. I have seen the police officer or officers use friendly persuasion to successfully engage the person’s cooperation. I have seen the EPD use that approach consistently during the many years I have lived in Eureka. I admire the EPD largely because of this humane way of keeping order in our city.

    I have never seen an officer of the Eureka Police Department act brutally toward a member of the public.

    The only time I have seen any physical action toward a citizen is when the citizen has given the officer no other choice.

    I also have seen no correlation between people’s financial or political clout and the treatment they receive from the officers of the Eureka Police Department.

    When I speak up on behalf of the Eureka Police Department, it is based on what I have witnessed with my own eyes. It is not based on what some self-serving editor or agitator says or writes.

  133. Noel Adamson
    January 6, 2008 at 5:15 pm

    Here is a link to a photo of the memorial demonstration;

    I don’t think anyone has expressed sympathy for Zachary Cooke’s alleged (and apparent) aggressive activities but questions remain unanswered regarding the nature of his demise and suspicion is unavoidable given the number of deaths in this period of time in which Terry Liles seem to play an inordinately prominent roll. Suspicion regarding vendetta or vigilante based policing has also been bolstered by the vicious nature of the hard core supporters of police infallibility in the “news” papers here.

    To the extent that you can believe anyone on a blog is who they say they are, Detective Honeycutt’s posts have been a refreshing change to the usual pro police infallibility trolls I encounter at the Times Standard (I know…) though he voices some of the same views including that Humboldt County was less crime ridden and less violent in the past and that the danger involved in their job makes them immune to accountability.

  134. robash141
    January 6, 2008 at 6:15 pm

    As I said before I appriciate former Detective Honeycutt coming here to share his perspective.
    I respect Police officers as working people who have a difficult stressfull and sometimes dangerous job.
    I respect them when they do thier jobs well
    I would venture to say that Most police officers are good people I don’t think they get paid nearly enough money for what they are asked to do.

    That being said I also don’t see the police as paladins in some manichean struggle between good and evil. I think that is just romantic flibertigibberish that people pick up from watching too many crappy cop shows on TV.

    That’s why I don’t buy into this appearantly elitist moral double standard that The EPD and it’s more knee jerk defenders are pushing.

    If it was a tow truck driver an electrician or a Nursing Home worker who screwed up on the job and negligently caused an uneccessary death
    Many of these folks who are so vociferously defending the EPD would damn sure want that truck driver , electrician or CNA to be vigourously prosecuted ..they would damn sure want them punished to the full extent ,

    Why should police get held to lower standards than these other working people who might screw up on the job and negligently caused someones death
    The police are working people whose job is to enforce the law If they break the law instead, they should have to face the consequences just like anyone else.

  135. Rose
    January 6, 2008 at 7:17 pm

    The thing is robash, that is why there is now an immediate investigation – IMMEDIATE – of the situation and the officers involved in ANY altercation. The same thing took place in Moore, Burgess, and Honda, and any others you can name. There was additional investigation in the Moore case – remember the Coroner’s Inquest? Hank Sims had a pretty good recounting of all the steps and levels.

    Nobody is holding them to a lower standard, and no one want to hold them to a lower standard. But they should be treated fairly and with respect.

    I could add that they have a right to expect that they will not be used as political footballs by a DA, but that’d just inflame the discussion, and I really ate to do that. Still, anywhere else officers know they will be treated fairly by the DA, here they do not.

    How many investigations must they undergo? Is it a do-over until they are hanged on the courthouse steps?

  136. Anonymous
    January 6, 2008 at 7:59 pm

    I think it is totally political football. The DA is been fumbling and he wants to be more popular in the public’s eye.

  137. robash141
    January 6, 2008 at 8:17 pm

    They were investigated by thier friends and colleagues within the police department . I would hardly call these impartial investigations.

    If I was accused of a crime and had my 12 best fishin’ buddies on the jury I’d feel pretty good about my chances regardless of my guilt or innocence

    Same goes with the coroners inquest. Jager former EPD himself vouched for the officers even before the inquest and implied pretty stongly that he didin’t really expect or intend to find anything controversial. Lo and behold ,he did not find anything.

    Threre is a lot of questions about the Moore incident yet to be answered.

    I’m all for Douglas and Zanotti recieving a fair trial.

    They ,at least, deserve a chance to clear thier name in public.
    I expect that they will be well defended and
    If they are as blameless and spotless as you say, then it will come out in court.

  138. Anonymous
    January 6, 2008 at 10:53 pm

    Lots of things I could say, Robash. This is “10:08” again. I just want to point out a couple of things.

    First point, Police officers are not fishing buddies. They are people who have committed themselves to serve the public by enforcing the laws that we, the people, make through our legislative process. The way you describe them shows you have no respect for them and it makes me wonder how much respect you have for our system of self-governance.

    A second note. You do not seem to understand that during a trial, the accused are not required to clear their name or defend their actions. Our system of government operates on the presumption that the accused are “innocent until proven guilty” and that their guilt must be proven beyond a reasonable doubt by the prosecution.

    If the foundations of your understanding about our American form of government are shaky, your conclusions are likely to be shaky as well.

  139. tad
    January 7, 2008 at 9:13 am

    Peace be with you 10:08

    Yes the EPD are not fishing buddies. Worse they are a paramilitary unit with a “code of honor,” that requires secrecy.

    Not to second note, your right they “are not required to clear their name or defend their actions.” So when they are asked “did you kill Cheri Moore?” they can answer “no” and the prosecution must prove they killed her. BUT: if the defense says “yes we killed her” then the DEFENSE MUST PROVE why it was self-defense! If not then they are going to go down. Your understanding of how the American form of government works is shaky also, but the comment that “conclusions are likely to be shaky as well” fit well with you too.

    The differences between what a cop faces in court and what the general public face are apples and oranges. The police have better appointed counsel then anyone else gets. The police have jurors who “believe cops can do no wrong.” And cops send the whole department on duty, at tax payer’s expense, in uniform, with guns on their sides to court appearances to sway juries.

    love eternal
    tad

  140. Rose
    January 7, 2008 at 9:46 am

    And Tad knows this be-c-a-u-s-e? He’s had a job in law enforcement? He knows the street’s version of the big bad cops? He’s had a job where everyone gets along, thinks alike, and would jettison all their priniciples to defend the others? I don’t think even the SoHum trimmers would find conditions like that. (One job where there is a reason to defend each other at all costs)

  141. tad
    January 7, 2008 at 10:16 am

    Peace be with you Rose.

    Please If you want to know something about me ask, don’t project. I know first hand because I used and affirmative defense before. It was Humboldt case T0304959. Also I “work” for a lawyer and in lieu of pay I get pro-bono legal representation in homeless cases which win using an affirmative defense. I have access to legal decisions and know how to research them. I have been dealing with homeless people and their issues for a very long time, and one of the main issues, if not the main issue is cops and how they operate different with poor people, people of color, mentally ill, and homeless.

    Yes I only work in jobes that everyone gets along, but no, I wouldn’t work in jobes where people abandoned their principles.

    love eternal
    tad

  142. Anonymous
    January 7, 2008 at 9:50 pm

    How can we believe tad works in the legal profession when he can’t even spell the word “job” correctly?

    I’m just saying…

  143. robash141
    January 7, 2008 at 11:27 pm

    Some nerve Mr Nobody , giving me some cut and paste lecture on the “esscence of Americanism while simultaneously pushing a thorughly Un -American elitist double standard.

    The Constution says that All Americans have equal rights and protections under the law. It doesn’t say any thing about Police have special rights or exemptions from the laws all of the rest of us have to follow.

    Don’t even get me started on the “legislative Process”
    save for “We, the people” are obligated to follow thew laws written by vested intersts, wealthy pressure groups and opportunistic politicians.
    Not all laws are equally good but Cops should have to fobey the law just like everyone else.

    People like Mr. Nobody don’t respect the police so much as you fetishize them

    Make them into some shiny paladin on a white horse who can do no wrong.

    I think that kind of mindset is dangerously stupid and a sure invitation for elitism corruption and authoritarianism

    I think it;s from watching too many crappy cop action movies and TV shows

    I respect the Police when they do a good job.
    He makes a rather sweeping genralizization that all police officers are “dedicated public servants” I beg to Differ many of them are good but others should do everyone a favor keep thier gunplay confined to shooting beer cans off of fence posts

    If We take Mr. Nobody at his word then they all should have no problem with the notion of public accountabbilty.
    Somebody has to answer for the Cheri Moore debacle.

    If the EPD is so good and spotless then why are they so nutted up about the possibility of a trial.

    hey want everything thrown out on technicalities.

    They wish to make to make a mockery of the process
    They
    of course Doulglas and Zanotti should have a fair trial and they shold be preummed innoscent until proven otherwise

    However they are accused of some pretty serious crimes that can’t be swept under the rug
    I’t too late for that.

    At least Mr Nobody can take heart in the fact that they They won’t be represented by some overworked underpaid public defender so they are assured of a much fairer trial than a lot of the dudes they put in the can.
    lastly
    My real-life experiance as a citizen who has occasional contact with the non-TV EPD through the years was that they were often
    uneccessarily assholish and/or apathetic.

    Maybe, depite the fact that I’m a working ,tax-paying productive citizen whose most seroius brush with the law has been a traffic ticket
    Perhaps I just don’t look enough like the President of the Rotary Club for the EPD to be interested in my problems.
    Just like no one on the EPD seemed give much of a shit about Cheri Moores problems

  144. Anonymous
    January 8, 2008 at 12:18 am

    You, Robash, are so invested in your own hyper-emotionality that I can almost see spittle running down your chin as you rant.

    It is your own fault that you are so upset. You are not reading what I write. You are imagining things. I don’t plan to attempt a point-by-point refutation of an emotional meltdown like the one you posted at 11:27 p.m.

  145. Anonymous
    January 8, 2008 at 2:59 pm

    Just a note in passing. It seems the Eureka Reporter covered the story of the protest at the Courthouse and the Times-Standard ignored it.

  146. tad
    January 8, 2008 at 4:22 pm

    Peace be with you 9:50.

    It’s not so much I don’t know how to spell “Jobe” it’s that you mispronounce it when you speak. So much so that I find it reduces confusion if I spell it phonetically. Ask your preacher how to pronounce that word. When you start saying jobe I’ll start writing job.

    love eternal
    tad

  147. robash141
    January 8, 2008 at 5:48 pm

    Funny how should mention my spittle.. It’s folks like you who seem to get unreasonably slobbery when you see a man in Uniform.

  148. robash141
    January 8, 2008 at 6:07 pm

    In fairness to the EPD the last time I went to the station to take care of some business. everyone there was very polite and helpful. Perhaps things are improving under the new leadership of Chief Nielson.

  149. Rose
    January 8, 2008 at 7:09 pm

    Tad, why don’t you put the url link in for your blog, so that your name becomes a live link? I thought you had one…. am I wrong?

  150. Anonymous
    January 10, 2008 at 1:54 pm

    If I begin by being respectful to others, they almost always respond by being respectful to me.

  151. Anonymous
    January 12, 2008 at 4:11 pm

    Many people believe Americans can’t focus their attention on a news story for longer than two weeks, no matter how important that story may be.

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