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Scientology_bunkerWell, not exactly. But the voice of Bart Simpson donated $10 million to the Church of Scientology, according to the Chronicle. The Church — or cult, if you prefer — has an 8,000 square foot bunker atop a ridge outside Petrolia.

Scientologists began buying land in Humboldt County in the mid-80’s, and construction of the bunker began in 1987.

But Humboldt’s close encounters with Scientologists began decades prior. In 1961, then-District Attorney Leonard Conry “filed charges against Frank Clendon Metcalf, [who was] already in trouble with the City of Eureka for practicing and instructing courses in Scientology,” according to an article in the Humboldt Standard.

Maybe the recent UFO sighting in Arcata was just Tom Cruise flying in to lay some scratch on the county coffers. Apparently the Scientologists have a history of unpaid taxes in Humboldt County.

Scientology_crop_circles It’s too bad the Times-Standard wasn’t equipped with Google Earth back when former reporter James Tressler went searching for “the secret Scientology vault.” He could have zoomed around the 3,000+ acre property from the comfort of his cubicle and found the spooky crop circle-like formations on the road leading to L. Ron Hubbard’s brain. What are those anyway? Cow paths?

(Click photos to enlarge.)

  1. Anonymous
    January 31, 2008 at 6:46 am

    Are we kidding. First we see Ulansey and his crooked nosed Jews nailed in this blog; then the Catholics are accused of being unethical and biased; now it’s the Scientologists who need to be slandered by linking them to flying saucers and tax evasion. Which minority will be slammed next? Methinks Heraldo’s portrait includes a long white cap and gown. We should probably limit his access to matches as well.

    Crap like this is a disservice to us all. How about a protest, 24 hours without a single post. Lets start setting some reasonable boundries.

    Perhaps it is long past time for a new venue for public comment, one where open mindedness and true progressive ideas can be discussed and debated, a place where predudice and bigotry are universally condemned by all.

  2. Carol
    January 31, 2008 at 7:22 am

    I think Tom Cruise is a nut, but that is my opinion. To each his/her own. I love GOOGLE Earth. Great photo. I wondered what the bunkers and the landing fields looked like. My question: Do UFO’s have diffficulty landing in coastal fog?

  3. humboldturtle
    January 31, 2008 at 7:24 am

    6:46, you need to lose a little weight. Try Dianetics, by L. Ron Hubbard.

  4. January 31, 2008 at 8:16 am

    Of course making the choice to not read this blog may in fact be all the anon above needs to do.

  5. Anonymous
    January 31, 2008 at 8:23 am

    It has to be untrue to be slander. Scientology is a whacked out cult that charges big bucks to destroy your mind through brainwashing.

  6. Lucy
    January 31, 2008 at 8:56 am

    If it is ok for people brandishing e-meters to call themselves a religion than it should be ok for me to eat a couple of mushrooms and call it good. That’s my religion, my business.

  7. January 31, 2008 at 9:28 am

    Scientologists link themselves to flying saucers. They don’t need any help from me.

  8. Anony.Miss
    January 31, 2008 at 9:50 am

    Some locals actually were given the chance visit this guarded bunker after it was built, and before it was filled with the copper disks (or whatever they are made of) that supposedly chronicle the earth’s history as we know it. I believe the idea is that when the earth is destroyed, this bunker will give the next earthlings (or aliens) a clue to what we were all about.
    I think it’s creepy!

  9. January 31, 2008 at 9:54 am

    It’s amusing they picked one of the most seismically active areas in the world to build the bunker. Doesn’t seem very smart.

    Sheriff Gary Philp has been inside the bunker, according to one of the above-linked articles.

  10. pez
    January 31, 2008 at 9:55 am

    Maybe the bunker was designed and sited by the same people who designed and sited the defunct nuclear power plant here. :)

    Right smack on a fault line. Wow.

  11. pez
    January 31, 2008 at 9:59 am

    Seriously, the e-meter is a skin galvanometer, a crude lie detector. What is creepy is to be hooked up to one and be grilled about your sins by your “minister.”

    Sort of like Catholic confession on steriods.

  12. Ed
    January 31, 2008 at 10:26 am

    Rumor has it that Mr. Hubbard’s brain is on ice in one of these bunkers. It’s hard to reconcile that with a firm belief in reincarnation though.

  13. Rufus Leaking
    January 31, 2008 at 10:30 am

    re-intarnation = coming back as a hillbilly.

  14. Anonymous
    January 31, 2008 at 10:48 am

    First we see Ulansey and his crooked nosed Jews nailed in this blog; then the Catholics are accused of being unethical and biased; now it’s the Scientologists who need to be slandered by linking them to flying saucers and tax evasion.

    I’ve noticed Mr. H’s bigotry too, but you lost me at defending UFO nuts. And frankly, it’s polite to call them nuts. They’ve been called far worse, far scarier things. I would be scared to have one in my home.

  15. seriously though
    January 31, 2008 at 10:56 am

    What a curious example of our modern times. The Mormons have an equally (shall we say interesting) genesis for their religion, yet one of them is running for President. Sheesh, as if faith base is our only basis for intelligent use of power.

  16. Anonymous
    January 31, 2008 at 11:03 am

    Mormons practice tithing, but I guess we rate our indignation on a scale. How much of a person’s life savings has to be forked over in order to earn everyone’s disgust?

  17. Carol
    January 31, 2008 at 11:23 am

    Most religions practice tithing.

  18. January 31, 2008 at 11:48 am

    selling one’s soul seems strange to me….

  19. "Henchman of Justice"
    January 31, 2008 at 11:54 am

    It does seem odd to put a bunker/sealed chamber in a highly active fault area? It also appears fairly large of a bunker as well. did the religious cult have to obtain a building, grading, planning permit? What about C.E.Q.A.? Or, E.I.R.? Talk about affecting the table waters? And to think people want to say building a home on TPZ hurts the water table too much. How can such a person quantify too much or too little. This bunker, on face value equals how many homes? Maybe, in the future, this bunker of knowledge will rise up out of the ground in the great quake that eliminates most humans?

    I wonder if there is paperwork showing they paid for permits and inspections? Or, again, is religion exempt from certain taxes and laws?

    For laughs, check out this video.

    Jeffrey Lytle
    McKinleyville – 5th District

  20. Anonymous
    January 31, 2008 at 12:25 pm

    Theres frankly not a whole lot of differences between the religion of Scientology and any other religion. Xenu, yes. But all the classic tenets are there. Even the “Minority group” the religion is dedicated to destroying, in this case psychology.

    What makes Scientology dangerous is their known history of government infiltration. But make no mistake, they are a religion, not a cult. And factoring in the growth rate of Scientology, you will see a presidential candidate who is solid with ‘LRH’ pretty soon.

  21. seriously though
    January 31, 2008 at 12:31 pm

    I thought every religion started as a cult.

  22. Anonymous
    January 31, 2008 at 12:42 pm

    True enough. This is not some silly little cult looking to kill itself to get a ride on a comet. It is an organized religion that blackmails ex-members and takes advantage of the weak of mind. At least with the Catholics, if you’re willing to face the social implications, you’re free to leave. These people have a file on you.

    Oh, and as for Petrolia have Earthquakes… The Scientologists have a newer and better archive facility in Arizona, I believe. You can see the ‘crop circes’ much better. You can also look the “Gold Base” on Google Earth, the capitol of Scientology, which is located in Hemet, Ca.

  23. Anonymous
    January 31, 2008 at 12:50 pm

    Heraldo, did you notice the car parked about 100 yards from the gate? What a job that must be.

  24. Anonymous
    January 31, 2008 at 5:57 pm

    “Scientology is a whacked out cult that charges big bucks to destroy your mind through brainwashing.”

    That’s the best one-sentence description I’ve ever heard of Scientology.

  25. Anonymous
    January 31, 2008 at 6:01 pm

    Scientology reminds me of the strange ads you used to see in big city newspapers – “Will do anything for money.”

  26. Anonymous
    January 31, 2008 at 6:07 pm

    The contractor who did this bunker is from Eureka but has his business in Santa Rosa. I am sure all the environmental studies and permits required were completed, and I am betting it wasn’t as difficult at that time.

  27. January 31, 2008 at 6:11 pm

    here is a funny video regarding scientology

  28. January 31, 2008 at 6:12 pm

    anonymous,
    most religions are able to get away with avoiding most laws and regulations as well as not having to pay taxes….

  29. January 31, 2008 at 6:43 pm

    plenty of cult members have made humboldt home:

    here is the one example of a People’s Temple member who was ADVISED to move to EUREKA!!!!

    Date of transcription: 3/7/79

    In connection with the Federal Bureau of Investigation’s investigation into the assassination of U.S. Congressman LEO J. RYAN at Port Kaituma, Guyana, South America, on November 18, 1978, a tape recording was obtained. This tape recording was located in Jonestown, Guyana, South America, and was turned over to U.S. Officials in Guyana and subsequently transported to the United States.

    On March 2, 1979, Special Agent (name deleted) reviewed the tape numbered 1B47-106. This tape was found to contain the following:

    Side one of tape number 106 consisted of a conversation between an unknown female and an unknown male regarding a civil suit. Unknown female advised unknown male to move to Eureka pending settlement of the suit.

    Tim Stoen was a longtime member of the People’s Temple. His child drank the koolaid and died that fateful day. Although local papers now name him as a legal advisor to the cult, he was a prominent member, not just a legal advisor. Somehow, the guy even got a prominent job in the DA’s office here in Humboldt!!!!

    There are also plenty of other people here that i condiser cult members, but i wont name them here.

  30. brian
    January 31, 2008 at 7:23 pm

    Is the land zoned TPZ?

  31. Anonymous
    January 31, 2008 at 7:48 pm

    the “crop circles” you asked about are the sign of the church of spiritua; technology wich is basically the rulers of scientology. it signals aliens where such a storage bunker as this one are located on earth.

  32. January 31, 2008 at 8:38 pm

    Thanks for the explanation. From looking around with Google Earth it looks like they have a lot of bunkers.

  33. Anonymous
    January 31, 2008 at 8:51 pm

    Scientology has a major precept the infiltration of “secret:” members into the highest echelons of government worldwide with the goal of world domination. They are very dangerous and should not be discarded simply as a “whacked out cult”: even thought I find that term clever and appealing.

  34. Carol
    January 31, 2008 at 9:31 pm

    Apparently the Scientologists have a history of unpaid taxes in Humboldt County

    What kind of taxes, Heraldo? Property taxes? Are churches tax-excempt? Is Scientology considered to be a church?

  35. Carol
    January 31, 2008 at 9:33 pm

    tax-exempt

  36. January 31, 2008 at 9:35 pm

    Looks like I forgot to add the link. I’ll see about finding the original article.

  37. Carol
    January 31, 2008 at 9:42 pm

    Maybe they will still pay their taxes.

  38. Anonymous
    January 31, 2008 at 9:44 pm

    “koolaid” is spelled differently than that
    and is a registered trademark.
    It is “Kool-Aid.”
    Have a little respect for the rule of law!

    While you are at it, why not show a little respect for Tim Stoen’s innocent child who died in that Hell on Earth in “Jonestown?” Or if not for him, for the father who grieves for him?

  39. tad
    January 31, 2008 at 10:14 pm

    Peace be with you.

    “Scientology has a major precept the infiltration of “secret:” members into the highest echelons of government worldwide with the goal of world domination.”

    “What are we going to do tomorrow Brain? The same thing we do every night Pinkey – we’re going to try to takeover the world.” Conspiracy nut check! At least my conspiracies have the world’s most powerful capitalists behind it. Have you ever had Scientologists kidnap your children and “brainwash them? Or perhaps come to your house on Saturday to get you to convert? Maybe they announced to the world that you’re going to hell cause you don’t believe they way they do? No!, you haven’t. Your all picking on them and comparing them to Jonestowners simply because they’re different. Fuck yea they’re different. They stand behind what they believe in, and believe in what they stand up for. They never asked anyone of you to become Scientologists. I bet all you really wish I had a bunker just in case.

    love eternal
    tad

  40. January 31, 2008 at 10:39 pm

    “While you are at it, why not show a little respect for Tim Stoen’s innocent child who died in that “hell on earth” in Jonestown?”

    believe me, im not blaming the child for the mass murder that took place that day. it was sad that the People’s Temple members killed the kids, very sad.

    wanna hear something VERY ironic? listen to the recordings at Jonestown……as Jim Jones is killing the kids, he repeats over and over “Tim Stoen made this happen, this is Tim Stoen’s fault”……..he named OUR assistant DA as he killed kids with poison…. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uzEAYv6RT8

    Stoen had been present at the “test runs” where the members drank koolaid that they thought was poison. after drinking it, Jim Jones revealed that it was not poisoned.

  41. January 31, 2008 at 10:42 pm

    the link above is to the “death tape” at Jonestown, in Guyana. im morbidly fascinated by it. the argument that takes place between Jim Jones and the dissenting woman is one of the most interesting piece of dialog that i have ever heard…

  42. January 31, 2008 at 11:14 pm

    I agree with you, theotherme, Stoen is widely credited as the one who came up with the idea for the poison, and the mass suicide (to prove their loyalty), for researching the kind of poison it would take to kill them all, and using his position in the DA’s Office to do that. One of the survivors also recounts Jones announcing that “Tim found us Guyana.” And the “White Nights” suicide rehearsals began in the States, long before Jones moved the “flock” to Guyana.

    Some investigations were beginning to focus on Stoen when he suddenly turned “good guy” and joined his wife in trying to get his son back from Jones, and back from Guyana. The books say that Stoen arranged to send his son to Guyana (after, of course signing the kid away to Jones), and telling his wife that the kid was already gone when he hadn’t yet left the country, thus preventing her from stopping him from sending the kid.

    It’s interesting to note that, though he now claims he fought to bring HIS kid home, he did not fight for any of the other foster kids and wards of the state that “the Temple’s lawyer” had brought into the Temple as a means of making money, the kids who also were sent to Guyana, the innocent kids who died there.

  43. Ed
    January 31, 2008 at 11:52 pm

    These are great examples of why we should never trust decisions that are faith based. Because of the inherent power play when hierarchy is involved.

  44. Ed
    February 1, 2008 at 12:05 am

    Every day we hear about people behaving badly because of their belief systems,blind assumptions they parrot since childhood.

  45. February 1, 2008 at 7:05 am

    mass suicide? listen to the tapes, it was MURDER!!!…plus, after the tape machine was turned off, the adults who did not drink the poison were shot in the back of the head..

  46. Carol
    February 1, 2008 at 7:11 am

    But what does Jim Jones have to do with Scientology?

  47. Anony.Miss
    February 1, 2008 at 7:31 am

    Carol, I think religions and spiritual movements blur together when they feel strange and cult-like, leaving outsiders to wonder if the members are there by an educated and rational choice—- or because of a desperate personal need resulting in domination from some nutcase svengali power figure like Jim Jones.

  48. February 1, 2008 at 7:37 am

    It was murder. No doubt about it. There were armed guards to prevent people from leaving, those who resisted were injected or shot. When you listen to the tape theotherme mentions, you hear the kids and babies crying, then it gets quiet. That is the sound of them being killed.

    There are other deaths linked to the Temple – things that happened well before they left the states.

    And Stoen was in the middle of it all. The Kinsolvings have documented alot of it – Les Kinsolving was one of the original reporters who set out to expose what was going on, and he was shut down. Later it was revealed that Stoen had hatched a plot to kill him. Tom Kinsolving has posted his Dad’s original exposes, including the four that were not published.

  49. Anony.Miss
    February 1, 2008 at 7:42 am

    How did Stoen get beyond this and work on the legal side of the law? Isn’t he still very controversial? I would have a very hard time ever forgetting his involvement in this if I were hiring him. To me, this is a part of his personality and background that says a lot about his general makeup as a person.

  50. Anonymous
    February 1, 2008 at 7:42 am

    Yes, Jones blaming Stoen for the poisonings means Stoen planned it. It couldn’t POSSIBLY be that Jones blamed Stoen was because of Stoen’s BETRAYAL of Jones and the church.

  51. tad
    February 1, 2008 at 9:51 am

    Peace be with you

    Seems a bit bigoted to make such a blanket statement as:

    “I think religions and spiritual movements blur together when they feel strange.”

    Especially if your are trying to compare Scientology to Jonestown.

    You don’t seem to blur the cult of cops with Jonestown, but both of those cults kill while Scientology doesn’t.

    What else do you blur? How many people have you condemned because of others actions?”

    love eternal
    tad

  52. Anony.Miss
    February 1, 2008 at 1:07 pm

    Yes, Tad, you are a blur to me as well. I am not going to waste my time explaining why the key to that sentence was “strange and cult-like”.

  53. "Henchman of Justice"
    February 1, 2008 at 1:24 pm

    Dictionary terminology 101,

    Chirch of Christ, Scientist,: the official name of the Christian Science Church.

    Church: building for religious services; any building, group or organization like a church.

    Religion: a particular system of faith and worship.

    cult: system of religious worship; great admiration for a person, thing, idea, etc.; group showing such admiration; worshipers

    Hopefully, this will help a little bit on understanding the differences between words.

    Jeffrey Lytle
    McKinleyville – 5th District

  54. tad
    February 1, 2008 at 1:27 pm

    Peace be with you

    You mean strange and cult like like cops? I take it your “Yes, Tad, you are a blur to me as well” comment means that you blind discriminate against people that you can “blur” into the evilest possible category. You seen one strange and cult like white imperialist naza fuck you’ve seen all whites. You know it’s kinda fucking blurred.

    love eternal
    tad

  55. Anony.Miss
    February 1, 2008 at 1:34 pm

    YEAH, What-evah, Tad.

  56. Anonymous
    February 1, 2008 at 2:22 pm

    Heraldo, Please delete that last comment by “tad.”

    It was uncharacteristically crude and abusive. Your readers deserve better than to have such cr*p served up to them on your most excellent blog.

  57. February 1, 2008 at 2:40 pm

    7:42,
    you are right, Jones was very angry that stoen had prompted a US congressman to take a trip to Guyana to see Jonestown. when the congressman was leaving Guyana, a few members of the People’s Temple approached him secretly and told him that they wanted to leave. when jones heard of the members wanting to leave, he ordered his men to gun down the congressman and his party. they were all kiled. less than an hour after the congressman was shot, Jones murdered the rest of the People’s Temple congregation.

    so, no, stoen didnt directly poison anyone. but it is hard to deny that stoen was an integral part of the People’s Temple. He went WAY back with Jones. when People’s Temple members ran all of Mendocino County, Stoen was there. i think stoen may even be back in mendo now.

  58. Anony.Miss
    February 1, 2008 at 3:14 pm

    I heard from someone just now that Stoen is at the Mendocino DA’s coastal office, and that he regrets his involvement and trusting Jim Jones, a relationship which obviously brought Stoen and many others eventual grief.

  59. February 1, 2008 at 3:19 pm

    stoen is still a religious nut, hes just got a new cult now….

  60. Anonymous
    February 1, 2008 at 4:44 pm

    Scientology is truth. It is sad watching you all be petty. But we are still willing to help you.

  61. February 1, 2008 at 5:05 pm

    gee…..thanks

  62. Jane Doe
    February 1, 2008 at 5:07 pm

    No thanks, 4:44. I prefer my mind natural over “cleared.”

  63. tad
    February 1, 2008 at 5:29 pm

    Peace be with you 4:44

    Remember Humboldt County is an experimental CalMAP County. When these anti-Scientology types get rounded up with our new “Mobile Drug Unit” and become one of the quarter of our population the uberfurer of our county health department wants forced on Zyprexa, they might take your help.

    love eternal
    tad

  64. Anony.Miss
    February 1, 2008 at 5:44 pm

    I agree with Jane Doe.

  65. Steven
    February 1, 2008 at 6:36 pm

    Wow, I’m glad I started reading this site. I never would have imagined that the Scientologists would be building a bunker out here. Amazing. I don’t claim to know much about Scientologists or Scientology (though a lot of these groups use a lot of the same symbology, and I could probably tell a bit about them if I checked out the symbols that they use).. but I don’t think people typically build bunkers for themselves as a gesture of help. Also, I have to say, the “help” of Scientology seems to only be available to those who can afford it.

    It wouldn’t surprise me if there were a lot of cults out here in this land of the old redwood groves. If HSU hasn’t changed since my time there, it’s a fertile recruiting ground for those types of groups. Incidentally, “Eureka” is a quasi-occultic term for a moment of epiphany or awakening.

  66. jason
    February 1, 2008 at 7:57 pm

    theotherme-

    You did listen to the part where Jones stated that, at 12:33, “Stoen did the thing he wanted to do… to have us destroyed”, didn’t you? Then “we win when we go down. Tim Stoen has nobody else to hate.”

    It sounds to me like Stoen realized the error of his ways and was clearly putting pressure on Jim Jones to NOT fullfill his prophecy. Isn’t this tape, in fact, proof that Stoen is the good guy in the battle? That is, if there is a good guy in this battle…

    I agree that the dialogue is facinating. That woman has strength to stand up to a cult leader. Too bad it was too little too late.

    I saw the History Channel show on the event. Disturbing.

  67. Anonymous
    February 1, 2008 at 8:29 pm

    You animals are disgusting. Look at how brainwashed you all are. Comparing Scientology to a cult and LRH to Jim Jones. Clearly you are as far from the truth as a child digging for China! But this does not surprise me as many of you are so pumped full of anti-psychotic medications that psychologists could simply harvest your sweat to indoctrinate yet another batch of drug addicts. I for one am KSW. I will never submit. And a warning to the entity known as “Heraldo”. You have SP written all over yourself!

  68. Jane Doe
    February 1, 2008 at 8:37 pm

    KSW? SP? Will someone please explain?

  69. jason
    February 1, 2008 at 8:38 pm

    Anon @ 8:29-

    Ha! That was funny. Probably the best joke I have heard (read) all week. You should be a satire writer as you hit the nail on the head with how crazy Scientologists are. Kudos to you and your clever sense of humor.

  70. jason
    February 1, 2008 at 8:42 pm

    SP (courtesy of Wikipedia):
    Suppressive Person, often abbreviated SP, is a term used in Scientology to describe the “antisocial personalities” who, according to Scientology’s founder L. Ron Hubbard, make up about 2.5% of the population. Another 18% are PTS (Potential Trouble Source), as a result of the SPs. A statement on a Church of Scientology website describes this group as including notorious historic figures such as Adolf Hitler and Genghis Khan as well as others who “are less obviously seen.”[1]

    KSW:
    Keeping Scientology Working (HCO POLICY LETTER OF 7 FEBRUARY 1965), also known by the acronym KSW, is an allegedly copyrighted internal memo about Scientology written by L. Ron Hubbard.
    It is one of the most important and often-repeated documents in Scientology. It was mentioned by Tom Cruise in his leaked video of January 2008.[11]
    Violation of any of the ten points of KSW can result in the violator being declared a Suppressive Person[12]

  71. jason
    February 1, 2008 at 8:46 pm

    Anon@8:29-

    And the part where you say we are brainwashed but you are KSW….. Classic!

    OMG… and when you attack the chosen minority to scapegoat and demonize…. that is a really nice play on one of the defining characteristics of a cult. Well done!

    Are you one of the striking writers? If not you should apply for a job at comedy central.

  72. Anonymous
    February 1, 2008 at 8:47 pm

    To “Jason”

    What are you hiding? What are you afraid of? The truth!?

  73. Jane Doe
    February 1, 2008 at 8:53 pm

    I thought he was serious! :O

  74. February 1, 2008 at 8:55 pm

    “You can’t handle the truth!”

  75. Anonymous
    February 1, 2008 at 9:02 pm

    Heraldo = Xenu ???

  76. Anonymous
    February 1, 2008 at 9:02 pm

    Heraldo, would you please post about Scientology every week? This is fun. I love it when non-locals visit to bitch at us.

  77. jason
    February 1, 2008 at 9:35 pm

    To Anon@8:47-

    Great! This gets even better. Like an interactive comedian. Ok, I’ll play.

    “What are you hiding?”
    A gopher in my shorts.

    “What are you afraid of?”
    The boogieman, the intersection at Henderson and Broadway, and…. uhm…. choking on a snickerdoodle.

    “The Truth!?”
    I don’t get it. How do I play along with this one?

  78. jason
    February 1, 2008 at 9:38 pm

    Oh! Heraldo ‘got it’.

    “Son, we live in a world that has walls. And those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Who’s gonna do it? You? ”

    Except instead of the world we are talking spaceships, instead of walls we have crop circles and instead of guns we have Tom Cruise.

    Ha! Your humor has brought joy to my day.

  79. Anonymous
    February 1, 2008 at 9:41 pm

    You’re just a typical Wog.

  80. jason
    February 1, 2008 at 9:43 pm

    Hmm… “SP” stands for suppressive persons, who have antisocial personalities…
    Hmm….
    “antisocial personalities”…
    Was that ‘borrowed’ from psychology?

  81. jason
    February 1, 2008 at 9:46 pm

    Wog, courtesy of Wikipedia:
    “Amongst Scientologists, wog is used as a disparaging word for non-scientologists [1]. Scientology’s founder L. Ron Hubbard defined wog as a “common, everyday garden-variety humanoid…. He ‘is’ a body. [He] doesn’t know he’s there, etc. He isn’t there as a spirit at all. He is not operating as a thetan. The term comes from ‘Worthy Oriental Gentleman’, from the days of the British in Egypt.[sic]”[2]
    L. Ron Hubbard employed the term frequently in his lectures and writings.[3]
    Since wog is not in general use in American English, it is most likely that Hubbard picked it up during his period of service as a US naval officer during World War II (1941-45). An alternative source would be England, where he resided 1953-66.
    In Scientology, wog lacks racist overtones, even in the UK where that meaning is prevalent. From a 2004 Church of Scientology magazine: “I arrived at Saint Hill shy, introverted and somewhat out of valence. I had been working at a wog job, and I knew my priorities had to change….””

    I am posting this just so that people who are not in on the joke understand your humor.

  82. Ed
    February 1, 2008 at 9:57 pm

    wog= muggle

  83. February 1, 2008 at 10:00 pm

    Tom Cruise is no Dumbledore.

  84. Ed
    February 1, 2008 at 10:03 pm

    well Heraldo, your half right

  85. February 1, 2008 at 10:04 pm

    You mean Tom Cruise is no ledore?

  86. Ed
    February 1, 2008 at 10:06 pm

    precisely

  87. Anonymous
    February 1, 2008 at 10:10 pm

    I am forwarding this thread to Gold Base. David Miscavige will not be pleased.

  88. Anonymous
    February 1, 2008 at 10:21 pm

    Who needs a gold base? Heaven is paved with streets of gold!

  89. February 2, 2008 at 12:00 am

    Can you beam me up to ‘gold base’ too? I need a vacation.

    And how are Miscavige’s allergies? Did Ronnie fix those too?
    I hope so, cause then he can kick your ass for so articulatly making fun of scientology.

  90. jason
    February 2, 2008 at 12:18 am

    Can you beam me up to ‘gold base’ too? I need a vacation.

    And how are Miscavige’s allergies? Did Ronnie fix those too?
    I hope so, cause then he can kick your butt for so articulatly making fun of scientology.

  91. jason
    February 2, 2008 at 2:13 am

    “After the Herald report was published, Heber Jentzsch, president of the Church of Scientology International, confirmed that the church’s Los Angeles law firm hired a private-investigative firm to look into the personal life of reporter Joseph Mallia, who wrote the series. The Herald noted numerous other instances over the years where reporters were harassed with “noisy investigations” after writing stories exposing the Church’s misdeeds.[” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narconon

    Maybe I should worry about “noisy investigations” for laughing at Anonymous@8:29’s disrespect to the church.

    Reading about scientologies stalking of critics did make the “warning for the entity known as “Heraldo”” all the more humorous. What a clever satirist you are Anony! I would never have even got that joke if I didn’t read about how crazy scientologist really are. Thanks for the heads up!

  92. jason
    February 2, 2008 at 4:27 am

    “A Suppressive Person or Group becomes fair game. By FAIR GAME is meant, may not be further protected by the codes and disciplines or the rights of a Scientologist.”
    ^ Hubbard, HCOPL 1 Mar 65 “Suppressive Acts – Suppression of Scientology and Scientologists – The Fair Game Law”

    “The policy was further extended in an October 1967 Policy Letter (HCOPL 18 Oct 67 Issue IV, Penalties for Lower Conditions), where Hubbard defined the “penalties” for an individual deemed to be in a “Condition of Enemy”:
    ENEMY — SP Order. Fair game. May be deprived of property or injured by any means by any Scientologist without any discip line of the Scientologist. May be tricked, sued or lied to or destroyed. ”

    Wow, while researching scientology I found that calling someone a SP is declaring that they are a target for retribution. Even up to 2007 the ‘church’ has been targeting journalists, breaking into thier residences and threatening them. In 1976 scientologists planned ‘operation freakout’, which outlined 6 steps to frame a journalist named Cooper for bomb threats agains the arab embassy, the president and then secretary of state henry kissenger. They were also convicted, around the same time, of “operation snow white” which involved up to 5000 members burglarizing, vandalizing and destroying government and private document deemed ‘unfavorable’ to the religion. Hubbard’s wife was convicted over this matter. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:1979_GrandJuryCover_US_v_Hubbard.jpg

  93. Carol
    February 2, 2008 at 8:32 am

    I have 2 more questions. 2.

    1. Who lives on the Scientology property with the bunkers out on the Lost Coast?

    2. Isn’t Vinnie Barbarino (actor John Travolta) a Scientologist?

  94. February 2, 2008 at 9:15 am

    jason,
    i agree with you that Jones was mighty pissed off at Stoen for prompting the investigation at guyana….but Stoen’s intent was to get his kid back, not to shut down the commune……Jones was a paranoid freak, he had always been one. after he had the congressman killed, Stoen was the only one he could blame!

    Stoen can NOT be called a good guy for taking part in the People’s Temple. Just because he jumped ship at the last moment and tried to get his kid back doesnt mean that he was a hero. a hero would never have gotten themselves mixed up with that group in the first place. despicable things happened around ukiah when they ran mendo county.his kid was KILLED!!!what kind of legacy is that?

  95. Anonymous
    February 2, 2008 at 9:23 am

    I didn’t see it, but several people have said that Tom Cruise’s wife looked like a Stepford wife in a recent TV interview, flat affect and disengaged. Is she brainwashed or afraid of retribution?

    Scientology’s tactic of “confession” while attached to a lie detector could give them blackmail material for any members who wish to separate from their “church” and who knows what kinds of mind games they play with people during their “clearing” process?

    Anyone considers joining this “church” should be committed for psychiatric evaluation for their own protection.

  96. Carol
    February 2, 2008 at 9:32 am

    As I understand it, Scientology denounces psychiatry. Tom Cruise criticized actress, Brooke Shields, for taking anti-depression drugs. He also berated the “Today” show host, Matt Lauer, for suggesting that psychiatric treatment might help some patients.

    This was big celebrity news last year.

  97. Jane Doe
    February 2, 2008 at 10:29 am

    Of course, Carol. A church which devotes so much of its resources to mind control and retribution against any criticism can’t allow their members to even consider psychiatry. Psychiatric evaluation could lead to criminal charges against the church.

  98. jason
    February 2, 2008 at 11:36 am

    theotherme:

    I have to agree with you. Too little too late.

  99. Babushka
    February 2, 2008 at 11:51 am

    For whoever asked about whether Scientology is legally a church, back in the ’70’s they gained IRS status as a religion by terrorizing IRS employees and threatening their families and the gutless IRS management gave in . Hubbard preached, regarding enemies of the church, “There’s the cancer; burn it out”. They are a ruthless outfit and have been banned in Germany, but I wouldn’t like to see that here. Anyone considering getting involved with them should do a LOT of research. I never hear about them in Humboldt. Are they active here? They’re all over LA.

  100. Anonymous
    February 2, 2008 at 12:10 pm

    What is Scientology’s view of homeless people and the poor? If they can’t pay for the church’s increasingly expensive levels of participation, what good are they? Maybe Tad can weigh in.

  101. Anonymous
    February 2, 2008 at 12:19 pm

    Scientology’s inner secrets are exposed at a website known as “Operation Clambake.”

    http://www.xenu.net/index.html

    I encourage you to check it out.

  102. Anonymous
    February 2, 2008 at 12:20 pm

    They are also all over San Francisco. Last summer I regularly saw the “Sea Org” members downtown. How do I know they were Sea Org members? Well, they wear military uniforms that you might mistake for actual Army, Navy, Air Force people except they’re not. The uniforms are a cross between the Salvation Army and Boy scouts, lots of gold rope. And they usually walked single file in groups not talking to one another.

  103. Anony.Miss
    February 2, 2008 at 2:01 pm

    Jane’s posting 10:29 is exactly how I feel.

  104. tad
    February 2, 2008 at 2:56 pm

    Peace be with you

    I don’t know much about CoS. BUT, seeing how Phillip Crandal says 30,000 (Thirty Thousand!) of you need his “mental health ‘services”’ and because the homeless are diagnosed by Crandall as 80% wingnut, and because CoS advocates a more humane approach to “fixing” these problems, I don’t think their any worse then Christianity.

    I’m not part of their church, so of course I see things differently.

    love eternal
    tad

  105. tad
    February 2, 2008 at 2:58 pm

    Peace

    Cool, I’m doing that everytime.

    love
    tad

  106. Anonymous
    February 2, 2008 at 5:41 pm

    “I don’t think their any worse then Christianity…”

    Tad?

    TWO wrong words in one short phrase?

    Shirley, you kin due butter then that.

  107. Jane Doe
    February 2, 2008 at 5:44 pm

    You better be careful, Miss. One more agree with Jane Doe and you will be put on the list of usual suspects. :)

  108. Anony.Miss
    February 2, 2008 at 5:55 pm

    When you have disagreed with someone here and there, I think it is important to also note the things you have in common!

    Thanks…

  109. February 3, 2008 at 12:40 am

    “I’d like to start a religion. That’s where the money is.”

    – L. Ron Hubbard to Lloyd Eshbach, in 1949; quoted by Eshbach in OVER MY SHOULDER: REFLECTIONS ON A SCIENCE FICTION ERA, Donald M. Grant Publisher. 1983

  110. Anonymous
    February 4, 2008 at 6:13 pm

    H.RonHubbard and P.T.Barnum, laughing all the way.

  111. Stick Figure
    February 16, 2009 at 2:34 am

    Christianity, Judaism, Scientology…..
    What is the difference?
    They are all fantasy.

  112. Mitch
    February 16, 2009 at 2:14 pm

    Scientology is worse than any religion out there. It is a cult that brings in billions of dollars.

  113. Stick Figure
    February 20, 2009 at 12:46 am

    A cult that brings in billions of dollars…
    Catholics?

  114. mayfly
    December 20, 2009 at 10:40 am

    My brother was recruited to Scientology while living in Arcata. He and his wife, with her three children, moved to a compound in Clearwater, Florida, where they lived in dormitories. The kids were seperated and totally brainwashed. That was 1978. I believe my brother was instrumental in purchasing the Petrolia property. He later fell from grace and has been punished since. At one time he was forced to run on a treadmill 18 hours per day. He told me that he believes he will live to be 300. He is scary.

  115. Ed
    December 20, 2009 at 10:45 am

    I hear treadmills are good to power blenders.

  116. Ed
    December 20, 2009 at 11:05 am

    Let’s see, how many scientologists on punishment detail would it take to power all the grow lights in Arcata? That’s 18 hrs. per day times whatever a treadmill delivers times oh say 300 years. Factor in Hoover’s 1000 grow houses times say an average six lamps and you have your number. Pssst, don’t tell the scientologists, we’ve got em right where we want em.

  117. Cheese Dick
    December 24, 2009 at 11:43 am

    A as not a scientologist, I want think you crazy guys, You ALL OF!!!
    Out peace

  118. Cheese Dick
    December 24, 2009 at 11:44 am

    BTW, is my avatar disturbing anyone but me?

  119. October 18, 2010 at 6:35 pm

    Greg’s dad, Bob Conners, was deputy DA under District Attorney Leonard Conry (see above).

  120. October 18, 2010 at 6:37 pm

    He was not in the Moonie Dept.

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