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Waterfront Drive hits the skids

Plans to extend Waterfront Drive, which would service Rob Arkley’s big box project, may have reached the end of the road.

The Coastal Conservancy granted an easement for Parcel 4 this week, which includes a portion of the Palco Marsh (aka Eureka Marsh), to the Audubon Society. According to our source:

After years of languishing under the hold of Dave Tyson and the City of Eureka the Coastal Conservancy [Thursday] granted a conservation easement for Parcel 4 to the Audubon Society. Parcel 4 lies directly behind the Mall and just north of the gas tanks at the foot of Truesdale. The Conservancy has been pissed at the City for 10 years since they (the Conservancy) gave big bucks to the City to fix Palco Marsh. The City has done nothing. The parcel is zoned marine dependent industrial and also figured nicely into the proposed Waterfront Drive extension.

It’s been a bad week for Arkleyville.

The 15-acre parcel adjacent to Humboldt Bay will remain open space.

The photo is from EPIC (Environmental Protection Information Center). Check out their detailed history of the fight to protect the marsh.

  1. Anonymous
    June 7, 2008 at 11:45 am

    Yep, what an easement! It is not zoned for wetland restoration or natural resource enhancement. It will lay fallow and become a hobo wildlife refuge! What an idiotic conservation easement!! Go Coastal Conservancy… Bums and homeless rejoice!

  2. Ribeye
    June 7, 2008 at 12:49 pm

    Unlike what it has been for 20 years?

  3. June 7, 2008 at 1:06 pm

    the article states that the development should have been done by 1995. that’s 23 years that the city has dragged its feet!!! no wonder eureka has been economically depressed for the last 30 years.

    some of the city’s plan for the 15 acres sounded a bit sketchy though. i couldn’t see a mariculture park going in without a big fight.

  4. Kathy Lick
    June 7, 2008 at 2:52 pm

    The members of the Coastal Conservancy better hope that Bully Boy remembers how critical forgiveness is to his newly chosen faith.

  5. Andrew Bird
    June 7, 2008 at 3:19 pm

    No Waterfront Drive = No Marina Center.

  6. average Eurekan
    June 7, 2008 at 5:07 pm

    I’ve heard that SN, as part of their traffic calming plan on Broadway to accomodate new traffic coming to Marina Center, is planning to redirect some traffic off Broadway, onto Harris, up to S and then over to 101 from there. How will that affect the quality of life in Henderson Center and the neighborhoods through which this traffic passes? Why do we need another home improvement store, plunked down smack in the worst of Eureka’s traffic problems, in this already over-retailed county? Read the City of Eureka-commissioned Bay Area Economics report from 1999 that said that adding a home improvement big box to Humboldt would likely do more damage to our local economy than a Wal-Mart.

    Who’s got the link to the BAE report? I’m searching…

  7. June 7, 2008 at 5:21 pm

    Eric Kirk blogged about it a while back. The link doesn’t seem to go to the report but he quotes it.

  8. Anonymous
    June 7, 2008 at 5:26 pm

    How will that affect the quality of life in Henderson Center and the neighborhoods through which this traffic passes?

    Unless you’re pushing for the mythical 101 bypass around Eureka or rallying for improved public transit, I’d say the people who live around Henderson Center chose to live in a blighted, sprawling, traffic congested community (or allowed it to grow around them) and everyone in that community has to suck it up and share the burden. Traffic will only get worse, whether it’s a quick noticeable jump from a big box or a simple trend of population growth and continued sprawl over 3 or 5 or 10 years.

  9. average Eurekan
    June 7, 2008 at 5:32 pm

    Excerpts from BAE (Bay Area Economics) Report:

    “A new big-box home improvement center in Eureka would likely have a greater impact on existing stores in both the City and other parts of the County (than a general merchandise store such as a WalMart).” “Furthermore, the projected increases is sales in this category are not nearly as great as for general merchandise, meaning that more sales would be captured from existing outlets rather than future increases in this category.”

    “Eureka’s position as a destination retail center for Humboldt County is demonstrated by comparing the City’s sales with those of the whole County for the most recent year available. Well over half (57percent) of all retail sales in the County occur within the City, even though the City has only 22 percent of County population.” “Eureka’s per capita sales, at $16,687, are far above the County at $6,350 and the State at $6,795.”

    “Leakage analysis is a technique commonly used to determine whether there is unmet demand for retail goods in an area.” “To conduct a leakage analysis, actual per capita sales within the defined trade area are compared with expected per capita sales…”

    “If the trade area shows that per capita expenditures are below a certain percent of expected per capita expenditures, then it is likely that some proportion of sales are “leaking” to areas outside the trade area. Conversely, if the trade area shows actual retail sales in excess of expected sales, then it is likely that the trade area is capturing sales from other areas due to “injections” of retail sales.”

    “Since Eureka itself clearly has sales above what would be supported by its own population base in every category, no detailed leakage analysis was done for the City alone.”

    “The leakage analysis indicates that actual total retail sales in Humboldt County are only slightly below potential expenditures.”

    “Actual total retail sales in Humboldt County appear to be relatively in balance with predicted expenditures.” “Estimated total retail sales are approximately $988 million annually, compared with potential sales of $1.045 billion for an overall leakage of six percent of retail sales.”

    “While building materials/farm implement stores also show leakage, analysis of confidential individual store data for the City indicates substantial taxable sales at wholesale building materials dealers that may account for these “missing” sales. Contractors and others often make taxable purchases at these kinds of outlets rather than retail stores; in fact, large retail home improvement centers also cater to contractors, sometimes impacting dealers that are considered wholesalers of building materials.”

    “80% of the County’s taxable sales occur in the City.”

    “By 2005, total taxable retail sales in the building materials/farm implements category are projected to increase by $10 million to over $93 million annually. In comparison, the average Home Depot store has annual sales of $40 million. Even if a new store in Eureka only had sales of $30 million, this would amount to approximately one-third of all 2005 sales in this category in the County, and would be about 75 percent of the City’s current sales. A new discount home improvement center would therefore be likely to capture substantial sales from existing outlets in the retail building materials/farm implements category as well as from wholesale dealers and contractors in both Eureka and surrounding areas.”

    “To summarize, a major home improvement center in Eureka would likely capture a greater share of sales from existing outlets in both the City and surrounding areas than a new general merchandise store, and from a broader variety of stores, since there is no other store of this type in the area and sales in this category are not expected to increase as much as in general merchandise. Some of the potentially impacted stores, including hardware stores and paint stores, are smaller outlets located in the older shopping districts of Eureka. Because of the size of a new big-box specializing in home improvement goods relative to the total regional market in this category, it is likely to capture current as well as future sales from existing outlets outside Eureka, thus leading to a net decline in building materials/farm implement sales in the remainder of Humboldt County.”

    “A large retail center such as a new big-box retailer, once developed, will require some level of municipal services in subsequent years. The annual maintenance of additional traffic signals, police and fire department calls to the center, and other services such as landscape maintenance may require additional resources impacting the City’s General Fund. The increased level of activity in each department also effects the administrative component of city government, thus increasing general administrative costs citywide.”

    Stakeholder Interviews

    Henderson Center Merchants Association:

    “Furthermore, the Merchants Association’s representative stated that there are better uses for the Balloon Tract than constructing a big-box store, and that the community should look for other options for this major waterfront location. With respect to a national home improvement discounter moving to Eureka, the Merchants Association representative expects that this would be very harmful to the City’s existing hardware, paint, and home improvement businesses. In addition, lumber wholesalers would also suffer because the area’s contractors would be likely to shift their buying behavior and make the bulk of their purchases from the new discount store, should one be built.”

    “The Merchants Association’s representative also questions the City’s emphasis on sales tax revenue generation at the expense of local merchants…”

    Humboldt Association of Realtors:

    “…the Association is opposed to making zoning changes through ballot initiatives such as measure J. The Association’s representative also said that the organization does not take positions on political issues that are not real estate related…”

    Eureka Chamber of Commerce:

    “The presence of Bayshore Mall and national retail chains… make for a challenging retail environment for Eureka’s owner-operated stores. The Chamber of Commerce representative felt that the presence of an additional general merchandise discounter such as Wal-Mart is likely to have a negative impact on local retail in Eureka, as well as on retailers in Myrtletown, and in nearby cities such as Fortuna and Arcata.”

    “In addition to expressing concern that on net, jobs would be lost, the Chamber’s representative noted that national discounters who come into a City like Eureka seem to have a different agenda from locally owned retailers who are more vested in the community.”

  10. Andrew Bird
    June 7, 2008 at 5:35 pm

    I don’t believe Arkley can sell a Home Depot on the Balloon Track to the residents of Eureka without some sort of traffic relief for Broadway.

    average Eurekan: I don’t follow the Harris/S/101 idea.

  11. June 7, 2008 at 5:39 pm

    Meanwhile, Crescent City’s WalMart will expand to a “super center” following a unanimous vote by the Del Norte County Planning Commission.

    Wacky.

  12. average Eurekan
    June 7, 2008 at 5:43 pm

    To reply to 5:27:

    Henderson Center is NOT a blighted, sprawling, traffic-congested neighborhood, as you allege (apparently you haven’t ventured off Harris or Henderson, my friend). It is a generally quiet, well-kept, traditional, working-class neighborhood, the center of what Hank Sims once knowingly called “Eureka Profundo.” Eminently walkable, it is the living, breathing antithesis of “sprawl” (see McKinleyville).

    And, I might add, we will fight to the death to keep it that way!

  13. Anonymous
    June 7, 2008 at 5:44 pm

    Henderson Center is NOT a blighted, sprawling, traffic-congested neighborhood

    Yes it is.

  14. Oh boy
    June 7, 2008 at 5:46 pm

    Del Norte County’s partisan registration numbers flipped last month. The long-time rulers are still Repubs but the majority is now officially Blue for the first time in memory.

    The cronies get the Super Center and the Dems get the majority. ‘Course, some of them are guards at Pelican Bay, not green urban planners from Arcata.

  15. average Eurekan
    June 7, 2008 at 5:47 pm

    Andrew –

    Broadway to Harris, then up Harris past Winco and Henderson Center, up to the traffic light at S (a four-sided residential intersection). Left at S, S becomes West, all the way past Long’s at Myrtle to rejoin 101 at the top of Eureka.

    I say, BAD IDEA!!!

  16. Maybe I can help
    June 7, 2008 at 5:48 pm

    Henderson Center is zoned Neighborhood Commercial and has been expanded and varianced to the max by local real estate and business interests. The qualities that made Henderson Center so nice have been destroyed by their exploiters over the years.

  17. Steven
    June 7, 2008 at 5:52 pm

    Try this link: Bay Area Economics 1999 Economic Impacts Assessment of New Retail Development in Eureka.

    The economic environment for Home Depot and similar format retail is not very good right now, both locally and nation wide. For a local example, see the recent programmatic EIR for the Fortuna GPU that cites the risk of physical blight to existing retail districts in Humboldt County from the proposed scale of retail development at the Palco site in Fortuna.

    Interesting news about the death of the Waterfront Drive extension proposal. Mel McKinney and other friends of the Eureka Marsh have something to celebrate.

  18. average Eurekan
    June 7, 2008 at 5:56 pm

    You ignore Henderson Center as it exists today: the neighborhood bakeries, banks, pet store, toy store, beauty shops, Deo’s sandwich shop, the pharmacies, drug stores, couple of Mexican restaurants, the Farmers Market, the list goes on. If Andy Griffith were alive today and living in Eureka, he would live in Henderson Center.

    Ask the people who live around it if they like living there. My finding is, the closer you live to the commercial hub of Henderson Center, the more you like it.

  19. Anonymous
    June 7, 2008 at 5:59 pm

    Liking a place doesn’t erase its blight. Around the world, people live, work and play in garbage dumps, too. Literally.

  20. Not A Native
    June 7, 2008 at 6:01 pm

    average Eurekan, I agree with you.

  21. average Eurekan
    June 7, 2008 at 6:04 pm

    Now Henderson Center is a “garbage dump”? 5:59, you are on crack!

    I’m going to eat dinner. See ya at Arts Alive! in our beautiful jewel of a city!

  22. Anonymous
    June 7, 2008 at 6:12 pm

    6:04, you’re the only one who has said Henderson Center is a garbage dump. If you do not understand analogies, you will continue to find life very confusing.

  23. Anonymous
    June 7, 2008 at 6:13 pm

    In Henderson Center, even when traffic is heavy, people stop their vehicles so pedestrians can cross the street. Ipso Facto, it is not a blighted area. Blight comes in when people walk away from their own humanity. That is NOT something that is happening in Henderson Center. I’ve been visiting there since the late 1960’s. It is still as charming as it was then. People make or break a neighborhood, commercial or residential. The People of Henderson Center make it a pleasure to visit.

  24. Anonymous
    June 7, 2008 at 6:13 pm

    People get defensive when you speak the truth. Henderson Center is as dumpy as most of the rest of Eureka. Meth freaks, you name it.

  25. Jane Doe
    June 7, 2008 at 7:47 pm

    I love Henderson Center. Those lovely old Victorians, Craftsman and the wide variety of stucco homes with large, well kept yards with virtually every type of business within walking distance. Maybe Anonymous is mistaking west Eureka with Henderson Center?

  26. Anonymous
    June 7, 2008 at 7:50 pm

    People defend what they love from people who claim to speak the truth but who smear their surroundings with falsehoods. That would be you, 6:13.

  27. J.P.
    June 7, 2008 at 8:01 pm

    Anon 5:26:

    If you seriously think Henderson Center somehow qualifies as “blighted” and “sprawling,” then you must have lived quite a charmed life in some kind of completely idealized village. I mean, c’mon, “blighted?” Puh-leeeze!

    I have a friend who lives just on the outskirts of the commercial district in Henderson Center, and I have spent quite a bit of time there. By and large it is about the most peaceful kind of place you could ask for, while still within a few blocks walking distance of stores, a post office, etc., and also within a very short bike ride or bus ride of downtown Eureka.

    Like several people said earlier, Henderson Center is pretty much the antithesis of sprawl. Yes, there’s too much car traffic, and tough most of that is people going THROUGH Henderson Center, it’s certainly true that many if not most of H.C.’s residents also drive more than they need to. But this is DESPITE the walkable, bikeable, bus-able layout of Henderson, not because it is some kind of auto-dependent far-flung suburb. It’s not.

    If the modest little lots and walkable streets of Henderson Center are still too sprawling for you, then you really are starting to sound like the stereotype of a clueless urban environmentalist, who believes that everyone should live in clustered condos or high-rise apartments, as if THAT was somehow sustainable!

    P.S. redirecting the 101 traffic through Henderson Center is going to go over like a Lead Balloon. And H.C. residents VOTE. I don’t see it happening.

  28. Anonymous
    June 7, 2008 at 8:20 pm

    I don’t recall seeing a single 2-story building in Henderson Center. Is there one? Seems like a sea of single-floor sprawl surrounded by dilapidated neighborhoods.

  29. Jane Doe
    June 7, 2008 at 8:38 pm

    You must be talking about a different Henderson Center.

  30. theo therme
    June 7, 2008 at 8:41 pm

    8:20 is repeating the new mantra of the people with sour grapes over the recent election:

    “humboldt county is a toilet and it deserves the horrible politicians that it just elected.” the other blogs and newpaper comments echo the mantra over and over…..

    sour grapes stink

  31. J.P.
    June 7, 2008 at 8:53 pm

    There are a few (not many) multi-family dwellings and apartments above stores in Henderson Center, but certainly the overwhelming majority are single-family, owner-occupied homes.

    Let’s face it, that’s what most families want. Is that little 1/4 acre lot with a small garden and modest home more than they should be allowed? And the homes in Henderson Center are pretty modest, they are certainly not McMansions out in auto-dependent gated communities in the suburbs, eating up resource lands or something like that.

    I mean really, 8:20, must we all live in multi-family apartments, condos, “cluster” housing or high-rises?

    Just because most of the houses are single-family, owner-occupied, does that really make an area qualify as “sprawl?”

    As far as “blight,” there’s a whole lot more of that in MORE crowded neighborhoods, especially when there are a whole lot of non-owner-occupied rental units that where residents come and go and neither they nor their absentee landlords have much incentive to keep up the properties or contribute to keeping the neighborhood vibrant, safe, and clean.

    Henderson Center isn’t Shangri-La, but it ain’t half bad either.

    Can you name a neighborhood or city that you DO like? What makes it so much better or more sustainable than Henderson Center or Eureka?

    We can definitely stand some improvement in the way we humans live in this modern world, whether you’re talking about Arcata, Henderson Center, McKinleyville or Willow Creek. But if you’re idea of acceptable non-sprawl doesn’t even allow a densely populated area as Henderson Center, just because most homes are single-family owner-occupied, then its hard to see what WOULD pass muster.

    Perhaps you could elaborate on what your requirements would be if you had your way?

  32. Jane Doe
    June 7, 2008 at 8:56 pm

    He isn’t talking about single family, but single story homes, Average. He has Henderson Center confused with another neighborhood because, as we all know, there are mahy gorgeous, up to 3 story homes in Henderson Center. Some of them quite grand.

  33. J.P.
    June 7, 2008 at 9:11 pm

    And to get back on the topic of this thread, I’d just like to state for the record that I think Arkley’s Big Box waterfront proposal would be a complete disaster for the city of Eureka, uglifying and corporatizing what ought to be the city’s most valuable asset – it’s picturesque and practical waterfront. Anything that puts another nail in the coffin of that particular economic vampire is good news as far as I’m concerned!

    Hopefully once the final stake has been driven through the heart of this thing, then we could actually start to talk about what COULD be done with the balloon track.

    By the way, if it’s a public use, there’s no reason the city, with the support of its residents, couldn’t use eminent domain to aquire the property (if Arkley isn’t a willing seller – which he probably won’t be in his anger over the spectacular failure of his Marina Center scheme) with, of course, fair market compensation for the owner.

    Then it would be up to the city, and it’s residents, how to proceed with restoration and/or development of that parcel. Except for sore-loserism on the part of Arkley, there’s no good reason that a win-win plan for the Balloon Track parcel could not be achieved. But if it has to be win-lose, I’m all for Eureka and Humboldt County residents winning, and Arkley losing big, if he decides to take the obstructionist path.

    Anyway, that’s my 2 cents on the Balloon Tract issue.

  34. ThinkingOutLoud2
    June 7, 2008 at 9:36 pm

    9:11, nice take on the Balloon Tract. Would “fair market compensation” be for a cleaned up piece of property? The toxic mess gives Arkley too much wiggle room. Perhaps one dollar for eminent domain then go after the railroad for cleanup costs. That would be a big win-win, Arkley could walk-away without huge legal costs and without having to deal with the environmental disaster of that particular piece of property and the cleanup mandate he purchased along with that property.

    Nah, he could never walk away with out a battle and a chance to bully as many public officials as he possibly can.

    Just thinkin’…

  35. June 7, 2008 at 10:17 pm

    I agree with Average Eurekan and JP that Henderson Center is a very pleasant place.

    My mind is made up about the proposed location of the Home Depot. I’m not as resolute on big boxes in general, but the excerpt of the BAE report posted by Average Eurekan (5:32 above) and the link from Heraldo to the article about the Del Norte approval of an expansion of the WalMart, are interesting.

  36. J.P.
    June 7, 2008 at 10:55 pm

    I’m pretty sure that “fair market value” would end up being determined by a judge, as no doubt Arkley wouldn’t settle for one dollar, probably would not want to even settle for the same amount he bought it for. He’ll try to say that the parcel is worth more today than when he bought it on the open market a few years ago, due to the very superficial so-called “clean-up” work that they did so far (and that lovely fence, of course).

    In the course of determining the fair market value it seems to me that your point about the toxic pollution would come into play for sure. How it would all come out, I’m not about to try to predict. But this does seem like the only real endgame I can envision at this point. I mean Arkley isn’t going to want to clean up the parcel and then turn it into a park for Eureka residents. It would take a REAL philanthropist to do that, and Arkely is more the Trump-type who gets off on putting his name on things and being publicly patted on the back and then trying to parlay his “gifts” into political power by getting his wife elected mayor, or his cronies elected to the Board of Supervisors.

    Well, now that I’m thinking out loud, maybe he WOULD donate it as a park – but only if it’s called “Arkley Park” or something like that! At least phonetically it DOES have a nice ring to it…Arkley Park, Arkley Park, Arkley Park….see what I mean? Unfortunately I doubt it will end that happily, I think we’ll have to pry that parcel out of his grasping fingers, and judges being the way they are, we’ll probably have to kick him down at least some cabbage for it, too.

  37. Not A Native
    June 7, 2008 at 11:31 pm

    I remember that in 2000, Arkley offered to buy the Balloon track and give it to Eureka but was turned down because the city didn’t want to deal with liability for cleanup. Of course the railroad had some liability but no one knew what the cleanup would cost. As it is now, the cost is still not determined but at least Arkley is taking it on the studies. Can’t fault Arkley on this one.

  38. OffTheRez
    June 8, 2008 at 12:15 am

    Not A Native is mistaken, it was the many strings attached to the deal that made it such a bad deal. I recall it even had a provision that Arkley could take it back if he didn’t like what the city was doing with it.
    We can fault Arkley on this, he was warn repeatedly how contaminated this site was, His big bucks consultant even concluded he shouldn’t by the balloon tract, but, revenge is guiding him not logic.
    Poor Rob first Glass get elected to the city council, now fellow CREGer Lovelace is a supervisor. Mel McKinney’s doing the jig on parcel 4. Karma is good.

  39. Anonymous
    June 8, 2008 at 7:08 am

    Humboldt Bay Parkley?

  40. Ed
    June 8, 2008 at 8:14 am

    park n rob?

  41. Ekovox
    June 8, 2008 at 8:42 am

    But alas, Henderson Center is lacking a grocery store of any kind. (Excluding the liquor stores and Handee Market which is really nothing more than candy, soda pop and beer) So, I have to hop in the car, burn precious fossil fuels and venture to the Big Box grocer to buy food. That’s not very neighborly.

  42. Jane Doe
    June 8, 2008 at 8:57 am

    You could ride the bus to Murphy’s which is not an option that the definitely not blighted neighborhood of Ridgewood Heights is lacking, as well as virtually all other businesses other than Greenlot Nursery.

  43. Anonymous
    June 8, 2008 at 8:59 am

    When methheads move in, it’s blighted.

  44. Jane Doe
    June 8, 2008 at 9:00 am

    -not

  45. Jane Doe
    June 8, 2008 at 9:01 am

    There are meth heads in EVERY neighborhood.

  46. Anonymous
    June 8, 2008 at 9:18 am

    Ekovox, there’s a grocery store at Haris and K. You can’t buy a roast or grind a pound of coffee beans there, but you can easily buy a variety of candy bars and they have limited dairy, breads, canned goods and the like. I know this because I live in the urban meth nest being discussed and sometimes have to risk my life by walking over to the store for a pint of sour cream or some aluminum foil.

  47. Anonymous
    June 8, 2008 at 9:23 am

    Haris Harris

  48. average Eurekan
    June 8, 2008 at 9:35 am

    Eko, blame Safeway (as I’m sure you know) for its lack of neighborliness for buying and then killing the Shop n’ Save Market (where Rite Aid is now) in the 90’s.

    I was walking by Robert’s the other day and stopped and looked inside from the sidewalk. It’s huge in there! As I walked away, I was thinking how great it would be to have a general mercantile store/simple grocery there, like a Humboldt County version of the Rainbow General Store in the Mission of SF. Other ideas?

  49. above average former Eurekan
    June 8, 2008 at 10:14 am

    average, it was Food Mart. They used to have chicken-on-a-spit.

    Robert’s would make a great location for a niche food market,

  50. Jane Doe
    June 8, 2008 at 10:17 am

    I remember when it was a Purity store.

  51. average Eurekan
    June 8, 2008 at 10:36 am

    correction noted.

  52. J.P.
    June 8, 2008 at 12:03 pm

    You have to drive from Henderson Center to a grocery store?

    Really?

    You can’t just walk, bike or take a bus? C’mon now, yu have the options, if you don’t bother to use them that still doesn’t make Henderson Center some kind of sprawl.

    All the hand-wringing about how bad Henderson Center supposedly is strikes me as amazingly myopic. Again, I’ll ask those who are complaining about Henderson Center: So, name a city or a neighborhood that DOES meet with your approval…

  53. J.P.
    June 8, 2008 at 12:05 pm

    You can bike from Henderson Center to Winco or Safeway in abotu 10 minutes. Walking there takes about 30 minutes. That’s not exactly a hardship for most folks. If you can’t walk that far, there are several bus options as well.

    It amazes me the things people will complain about.

  54. HumRed
    June 8, 2008 at 12:56 pm

    Now that you know what a great place it is to live, Mark would like you to move there,NOW.

  55. Anonymous
    June 8, 2008 at 1:27 pm

    Part of what I have liked for forty years about Henderson Center is its human scale. Unlike the way I felt when I visited Manhatten (diminished, smaller than usual, atom-like in size compared with the monumental structures around me), Henderson Center makes me feel comfortable, my size undiminished by my surroundings.

  56. Anonymous
    June 8, 2008 at 1:30 pm

    Henderson Center, one apparent non-resident reports, is “lacking a grocery store of any kind.”

    To which I reply, Rite-Aid will do in a pinch. Check it out.

    It’s not an adequate replacement for Food Mart, though. It was a blow to the neighborhood when the forces of Godless Capitalism forced the closure of the Henderson Center Food Mart.

  57. J.P.
    June 8, 2008 at 2:31 pm

    That’s some truly pungent rhetorical bullcrap, HumRed.

    I’m someone who IS concerned about some of the aspects of some of the General Plan update, and also about the recent Code Enforcement debacle. But your claim that Lovelace wants everyone to only live in places like Henderson Center is such a complete exaggeration that it only gives ammunition to those who say there is nothing to be concerned about in the General Plan updates, and that anyone who says otherwise is fear-mongering. Becasue you ARE fearmongering, and most everyone can see through it. If you have specific issues with Lovelace’s positions on land use, let’s hear them. But let’s skip the bullcrap, shall we? There are enough legitimate disputes and concerns to occupy us without wasting time on that kind of massively exaggerated claim.

  58. Anonymous
    June 8, 2008 at 3:42 pm

    Rite-Aid will do in a pinch. Check it out.

    Yeah, I do all of my family’s grocery shopping at Rite-Aid.

    Uhhh, let’s try to stick with reality. No doing doobies while blogging, please. Henderson Center doesn’t have a grocery store. You have to drive out of the area just like all other areas of sprawl.

  59. J.P.
    June 8, 2008 at 4:02 pm

    If you are an able-bodied person, and you choose to drive from Henderson Center to Winco, then you ae simply lazy. That has nothing to do with sprawl.

    By the way, its even farther from most of “downtown” Eureka to any grocery store other than the very-pricey co-op. Does that mean that downtown Eureka is “sprawl?’

    Get a clue.

  60. Anonymous
    June 8, 2008 at 4:10 pm

    Grocery Outlet and Eureka Natural Foods are pretty close to downtown. Costco is just a little further.

  61. Not A Native
    June 8, 2008 at 4:22 pm

    OffTheRez You’re wrong about Arkley’s offer. It was the Eureka city council that wouldn’t even negotiate. Arkley proposed industrial use and a park. You can’t rewrite history because you don’t like Arkley.

    North Coast Journal 6/15/2000

    Just say no — to $3 million

    The plan by Eureka City Councilwoman Cherie Arkley and husband Rob Arkley was to give the city of Eureka $2 million to buy the controversial old railroad yard — a vacant and contaminated 30-acre parcel known as the balloon tract that was the center of controversy last year in Wal-Mart’s failed attempt to locate a store there. In addition, the Arkleys offered another $1 million toward toxic cleanup –few strings attached: Eleven acres were to be used for light industrial use and the rest for parking and a waterfront park, the Arkleys requested.

    Citing an obvious conflict, Cherie Arkley excused herself from discussion of the agenda item last Tuesday and after two hours of public debate, a motion was made by Councilmember Connie Miller to accept the Arkleys’ gift.

    The motion died for lack of a second from Councilmembers Jack McKellar, Maxine Hunter Meeks and the recuperating Jim Gupton, who made a surprise appearance against the advice of his physician.

    “I didn’t vote against it. I just didn’t second it,” McKellar told the Journal later. “I think we should have an itemized list of all the costs before we vote.”

    McKellar said he was being cautious because of two previous city projects. The Adorni Center cost more than originally planned because of toxic cleanup and an industrial parcel on Hilfiker “ended up with four acres” available for development instead of 14 acres as originally estimated.

    Larry Henderson, a private planner who says he has financial backers ready to bid on the balloon tract — albeit at a lesser price — had urged the council not to buy the parcel “as is” and called for all cleanup costs to be identified before entering escrow.

    “He’s crazy,” said Rob Arkley, who owns Security National Partners, a company that buys and leases commercial property throughout the U.S. “It’s like a termite inspection. You don’t do due diligence (investigation of potential liabilities) on commercial property until you’re in escrow, until you have an agreement. You’re wasting your money.”

    Cherie Arkley said she “was flabbergasted” the offer was turned down.

    Miller agreed. “I just couldn’t believe it,” she said.

    Hunter Meeks and Gupton did not return calls.

  62. J.P.
    June 8, 2008 at 4:37 pm

    4:10, Eureka natural Foods is no closer to downtown Eureka than Winco is to Henderson Center, and again, the natural food stores are pretty pricey. Costco is much farther from downtown Eureka than Winco is from Henderson Center, and its a whole lot less “walkable” than just walking down Henderson to Winco from Henderson Center.

    The idea the Henderson Center is an example of car-dependent “sprawl” is ludicrous. Some people are lazy, and most all of us are used to using cars for many trips that could easily be accomplished n a bicycle or on foot (or on a bus if it’s a bit farther). The layout of neighborhoods like Henderson Center is quite friendly to these options, people just have to use them.

    Families with children like to have a little yard for them to run around in, rather than being cooped up in an apartment building. If you think that’s too much to ask, you’re in a very small minority of urban purists. I suggest you re-think what you are calling “sprawl,” as you are, in effect, discrediting the concept by trying to apply it to places like Henderson Center.

  63. J.P.
    June 8, 2008 at 4:49 pm

    In fairness I HAD forgotten about Grocery Outlet, otherwise known as “the Canned Food Store.”

    Still, its just not that hard to walk or bike to Winco from H.C., try it sometime. Walking or biking is much better for your health, too!

  64. Anonymous
    June 8, 2008 at 5:35 pm

    Yeah, so your standards are the “right” ones? Families with children like to have horses and gocart tracks and RVs and swimming pools and volley ball courts. Not having those things is being cooped up, terrible, severe deprivation. Whatever I want is justified because I WANT IT.

    Ever hear of children running around in public parks, school yards, and ball fields?

  65. JP
    June 8, 2008 at 6:45 pm

    Okay, you win. It’s obvious that you’re correct that people having a small two-bedroom house on a 1/4 acre in lot in Henderson Center IS exactly the same as everyone having horses and go-carts and RVs and swimming pools and volleyball courts. There’s no difference AT ALL – if you have the one, obviously you must have the other.

    Therefore Henderson Center IS sprawl, and OF COURSE you can’t walk or bike to the Winco from Henderson Center. So never mind the short distance, the bike lanes or the bus service, it’s simply impossible to make that trip without a car, because of the terrible blight and the endless sprawl of Henderson Center. So all the people who say they do that trip several times a week MUST be lying or hallicinating. It’s IMPOSSIBLE, you know, and of course I realize that now that I’ve been enlightened.

    And now that I’ve been enlightened I can easily see that having a small yard for young children to play in certainly PRECLUDES them from ever playing in a public park, school yard or ballfield, because these two types of play areas are meeting exactly the same needs, and are completely mutually exclusive.

    And what was I thinking – of COURSE no one should have their own single-family, owner-occupied home, we should ALL live in communal housing, have our children use only public play areas (and I suppose they should stay inside at ALL times unless an adult is available to take them to a park or playground) and live in places that are at LEAST as densely populated as downtown Eureka. Better yet, we should shoot for something like Oakland, because that is SUCH a better place to live than the horror of sprawling, blighted Henderson Center.

    My mistake – how COULD I have been so wrong? I mean if we all bend to your will, clearly utopia is right around the corner! (But if only everyone would realize the sprawling, blighted evil that is Henderson Center.)

    Thanks for setting me straight.

  66. June 8, 2008 at 7:58 pm

    If you are an able-bodied person, and you choose to drive from Henderson Center to Winco, then you are simply lazy.

    I hear you and I agree to some extent, but it’s easier much easier to carry two bags of groceries than to bike them, and strolling down Harris is not the world’s most pleasant pasttime.

    Henderson Center needs a grocery store, end o’ story. It’s a great place, but I have to leave the great place to get vegetables. Which makes it less great.

    There’re too many specialty shops and not enough day-to-day shops. Just a grocery store and some kind of hang-out place — a Has Beans or Hot Cup — and the place would be just about perfect. It already has the best Mexican (Ysidro’s) and the best Chinese (Hunan) in town.

    Also, bring back Walt Fraser’s bookstore. While we’re at it.

  67. average Eurekan
    June 8, 2008 at 9:32 pm

    Hank, the last time we ate at Hunan Wok we all swore the meat tasted like shoe leather that had sat in a thin marinade under a McDonald’s heat lamp.

    But that’s only our opinion.

  68. average Eurekan
    June 8, 2008 at 9:48 pm

    Just re-reading the official comments from the Eureka Chamber of Commerce and the Henderson Center Merchants Association in the “Stakeholder Interviews” section of the BAE report excerpts I posted way upthread… You could just about close your eyes and believe they had been written, seven years later, by the folks from CREG.

    Imagine: Warren Hockaday and Richard Salzman, political brothers-at-arms!

  69. Ekovox
    June 8, 2008 at 9:56 pm

    Living in Henderson Center is much akin to what Ferndalians must face. As Hank Sims relates, too many specialty shops and not enough standard fare shops. And even Ferndale has a full on grocery store.

    And if you doubt my residency in Henderson Center, I’m staring at Dollison Street. We have a great hardware store, an incredible supply of thrift stores, several hair salons and the wiccan shop.

    There is a ton of charm in Henderson Center. But, without looking at a census of the neighborhoods, I believe the great majority of residents are retirees or widows. And, of course, Rob Arkley. Well, I guess there went the neighborhood.

    A comparable neighborhood to Henderson Center?
    No, I can’t think of any. And I would kindly ask that you stay the Hell out! We should have the front gate completed by August.

  70. June 8, 2008 at 10:00 pm

    Hank, the last time we ate at Hunan Wok we all swore the meat tasted like shoe leather that had sat in a thin marinade under a McDonald’s heat lamp.

    Maybe so, but I said best in Eureka.

    Know what I mean?

  71. average Eurekan
    June 9, 2008 at 9:03 am

    Hank-

    Try Yen Ching, down on F St between Fifth and Sixth. It blows doors on Hunan Wok.

    P.S. They deliver.

  72. average Eurekan
    June 9, 2008 at 9:20 am

    Eko-

    I personally believe there are more families with kids in HC than you might think. The retirees are the ones who perhaps more disproportionately pound the sidewalks, and are thereby more visible.

    Also, as the retirees and widows pass on, it seems that more young families are taking their places. Both homes that my young family bought in or around HC were puchased from a widow and a retired couple.

  73. Anonymous
    June 9, 2008 at 9:37 am

    Hunans in Henderson Center was my favorite when the Liu’s owned it. My favorite is Liu’s.

  74. Anonymous
    June 9, 2008 at 9:38 am

    I sure miss Smile of Siam

  75. Anonymous
    June 9, 2008 at 10:10 am

    I only eat at Satan’s Stewpot in the Skull and Bones Room of the Ingomar Club.

  76. June 9, 2008 at 11:02 am

    I hear good things about Liu’s.
    I tried Gonsea once. And that is all that needs saying about that.

  77. Anonymous
    June 9, 2008 at 11:11 am

    We wouldn’t eat “Chinese” in Eureka before Liu’s opened. All the restaurants (Chen’s, Shanghia Lo, Canton) were like Chung King but more expensive.

  78. Anonymous
    June 9, 2008 at 11:18 am

    What the matter JP? Got your panties bunched cause someone called you on your BS? Just since YOU call a yard “small” is that’s supposed to make the environmental impact of a particular housing style just go away, poof? “Small” isn’t a description on a EIS becuause it can’t be objectively evaluated for its effects.

    You grew up living in rigid 1950’s ideas about what housing for your socioeconomic group was meant to be and now it’s embedded so deeply in your brain you think its a univeral God given standard, beyond question. Well JP, times have changed and in fact they never were what you thought anyway. If you’d ever lived among people who had strong social skills and didn’t equate communal life with poverty or deprivation, you’d know better. But you haven’t and you don’t.

  79. J.P.
    June 9, 2008 at 11:23 am

    Hank,

    In my opinion, it’s actually much, much easier to carry 2 bags of groceries on a bicycle than to walk with them – if you have paniers (saddlebags) and a rear rack. A pair of good paniers can be purchased for about $100, or about two tanks of gas for a small car.

    As far as Harris being an unpleasant walk, well, you can take Henderson instead, or any of a number of less-traveled parallel streets.

    I agree that a grocery store in Henderson Center would be great, but the fact is that Winco and Safeway are so close by that it would be hard to open a new full-sized supermarket there and successfully compete. with Winco’s very low prices. But there might be a niche for a smaller grocery store. (Maybe you could start one, maybe call it Dandy Mart?)

    Anyway, the point we were debating was whether a place like Henderson Center really qualifies as auto-dependent “sprawl.” Do you have an opinion on that?

  80. Anonymous
    June 9, 2008 at 11:29 am

    If a grocery store isn’t within walking distance, it’s auto-dependent sprawl for families with kids.

  81. Jane doe
    June 9, 2008 at 11:40 am

    There are 2 grocery stores in Henderson Center, Handee Market and Harris & K. They aren’t supermarkets, but they carry all the basics.

  82. June 9, 2008 at 11:41 am

    If a grocery store isn’t within walking distance, it’s auto-dependent sprawl for families with kids.

    I gotta kinda agree with this. Biking for groceries with small kids in tow is not really an option.

    But it’s not fair to call HC “sprawl” since it was built so long ago, back in a time where there were grocery stores in the ‘hood and streetcars to take you downtown.

    Just a storefront grocery, that’s all it would take. But those don’t seem to exist anymore, at least around here.

  83. June 9, 2008 at 11:44 am

    Jane, baby, I’m a frequent figure at both the Handee and Harris & K and I love them both.

    But “all the basics”? Please.

  84. Anonymous
    June 9, 2008 at 11:44 am

    Something being old doesn’t make it less like sprawl. Charm doesn’t unmake sprawl. The Henderson area is filled with single family homes. A sea of single family homes, and now a business district that serves car users.

    Even if you love Henderson Center, that doesn’t unmake sprawl.

  85. June 9, 2008 at 11:48 am

    Well, you can either find us a grocery store or tear the whole place down.

  86. J.P.
    June 9, 2008 at 12:03 pm

    11:18,

    You have completely misjudged my life experiences and my opinion on the desirability of communal living – to a laughable degree. Which is not all that surprising, given that you are simply guessing about my life experiences, based just on what I wrote here.

    To set the record straight, I am wholeheartedly in favor of shared living spaces, and have lived the majority of my adult life in shared living situations. With the right group of people, these situations can be terriffic!

    But that doesn’t mean that people shouldn’t have any choice, or that existing single-family neighbothoods like Henderson Center should be bulldozed or something.

    Yes, even 1/4 acre lots can eat up the landscape and endless development at this density would of course be devastating. But I’m not advocating that. And, of course endless development of communal living spaces would also eat up the landscape, but I’m not going to claim that you are advocating that either, I’m guessing that you’re not.

    The fact is that if population continues to grow without end, any and all lifestyles are ultimately unsustainable in a world with finite resources.

    On the other hand, with a stable, or even somewhat contracted population of humans, we don’t have to keep endlessly building new residential spaces, and families could continue to have a range of choices, from family farms to modest, Henderson Center-sized single-family homes, to densely-packed apartments, to communal housing options like co-housing, actual communes, rural villages, etc. Different strokes for different folks.

    My problem is not with people living communally or living in densely-packed settings. Many people do, probably more will want to do so in the future, given scarce energy resources, etc. If, in the future, most people live in peaceful eco-cities and eco-villages, where their environmental impacts are greatly reduced and their natural connections to one another are enhanced, that would be a great outcome for my grandchildren (and yours). The problem I have is with the idea that everyone MUST live in densely-packed urban settings, that exising neighborhoods like Henderson Center are and will always be inherently unliveable and unsustainable. I don’t buy it.

    Sure, building out the rest of the county as all Henderson-Center-style neighborhoods would be completely unsustainable, and an unmitigated environmental disaster. But building out the rest of the county as densely-packed urban centers would be equally destructive. But neither you or I are advocating for either of those things.

    Population x per-capita impact = overall impact.

    Havng more people live in more clustered settings may reduce some of the per-capita impacts due to more efficient transportation, etc. But that alone is only half the equation. The size of the population is the other key factor. Fail to address population growth and any reductions in per-capita impacts will be swamped by the increase in the population. Similarly, reducing or at least stabilizing population is crucial, but if per-capita resource use keeps increasing (the trend we’re on right not, unfortunately) the benefits of stabilized or reduced population will be swamped by the increasing per-capita resource use.

    We can certainly continue to have the choice of living in our current Henderson Centers if we make better individual lifestyle choices (biking or walking, bussing, etc, instead of driving everywhere) and if we also control population growth so that we’re not building more Henderson Centers (or more downtown Eurekas for that matter) over our increasingly scarce wild lands, forests, and open spaces.

  87. Jane doe
    June 9, 2008 at 12:09 pm

    They carry bread, milk, cereal, eggs, soda, canned and packaged meat, some fresh fruits and vegetables (Harris & K), ice cream, cookies and alcohol. While they don’t carry everything, they can certainly fill in the gaps until your planned big shopping trip.

  88. anonymous
    June 9, 2008 at 12:18 pm

    How about a nice little overpriced Korean grocery store?

  89. June 9, 2008 at 12:22 pm

    Yeah, it’s true.

    But the bread, veg and fruit are total last-resort material.

  90. June 9, 2008 at 12:23 pm

    How about a nice little overpriced Korean grocery store?

    Yes! Perfect!

  91. J.P.
    June 9, 2008 at 12:24 pm

    Familes with kids can and do use the bus system (I did when my daughter was young and too small to walk to the grocery store), and many families can and do walk to Winco from Henderson Center (There are these neat little things called strollers that you can put a young child in when the distance is too far for them to walk).

    Sure, it would be much better to have a supermarket in Henderson Center itself – you’ll get no argument from me there. But if the fact that you have to go as much as one mile (oh, the horror) to get to a full-sized grocery store makes a neighborhood qualify as “sprawl,” then most urban multi-family neighborhoods would have to qualify as “sprawl” as well.

    Basically, I think those who are complaining how hard it is to get anywhere from Henderson Center are the ones who have a weird expectation of how easy life should be. I can easily walk from E Street Henderson Center to Winco in 1/2 hour or less. I can bike there in 10 minutes. Most people in multi-family housing in the “downtown” section of Eureka have to go at least that far.

    I’m still waiting for the urban purists to point out a model of what kind of city, and/or neighborhood they DO approve of, and how they propose to move from our current situation to the one they are advocating. Any takers? Or do you just prefer to lob verbal grenades? If so, that’s fine, but don’t expect to be taken seriously.

  92. Jane Doe
    June 9, 2008 at 12:39 pm

    We used to have a little store like Harris & K (minus the hard alcohol) out in Ridgewood Heights but the guy who bought it from the longtime owners couldn’t make it pay with hired help so he closed it. H.C. has more grocery options than Ridgewood Heights or Lumbar Hills (Fairway MiniMart) but I doubt anyone would call them blighted neighborhoods.

  93. Jane Doe
    June 9, 2008 at 1:11 pm

    And don’t forget about the bakery and the farmer’s market, Hank. I feel sorry for you poor people living in the ghetto of Henderson Center. NOT!

  94. Anonymous
    June 9, 2008 at 1:14 pm

    More density means more services available closer to every person. Businesses have to pay their fixed costs out of margin. Either they make a big margin on small volume or they make a smaller margin on big volume. With more density, the total sales volume in a given area is bigger and a given area can support more businesses(within the economic means of the locals). Thats why many people in denser areas don’t have personal cars but still get their needs met, walking some, busing some, taxiing some.

    A full grocery in Henderson Center would compete with Winco/Safeway with every resident deciding how to trade off their travel time and money against purchase costs. There’s not enough density in HC to support a high volume low margin business like Winco/Safeway. HC needs to be more dense to have a “full service” grocery like those.

  95. Jane Doe
    June 9, 2008 at 1:35 pm

    How is Henderson Center less dense than the area around Safeway at Harris and Harrison?

  96. June 9, 2008 at 1:35 pm

    How about the overpriced Korean grocery, professor?

    Tell me there’s hope for the overpriced Korean grocery!

  97. Anonymous
    June 9, 2008 at 1:38 pm

    More density means more services available closer to every person.

    No. Higher density means more people living within a given area. Vast tracts of single family homes is not high density.

  98. Ribeye
    June 9, 2008 at 1:46 pm

    Don’t forget the Oaxaca restaurant on Henderson next to Velentini’s. Awesome food and great family running the place.

  99. Ribeye
    June 9, 2008 at 1:47 pm

    And Dave’s Place.

  100. Ekovox
    June 9, 2008 at 5:25 pm

    And don’t forget….Shafer’s has candy bars, soda and popcorn. Or, you could wait until St. Bernard’s has a home game and get your meals there. As does the laundromat in the vending machines. You know, all the basics.

    J.P., Face it, so very few people are taking the bus and walking to Winco or Safeway. As you know, the bus service in Eureka is not the most convenient. Try riding at night or on Sunday.

    It will take a bold new generation to not use their cars to go shopping. I plaud you on your efforts. Funny, the Arcata Co-op, Arcata Murphy’s Market and Wildberries always have a very full parking lot. Just saying.

  101. Not A Native
    June 9, 2008 at 5:28 pm

    Jane,

    What’s so hard about private businesses having to make a profit? Winco/Safeway are open now and have customers from a wide area, including HC, because of personal mobility. If they were to close, it would be more likely that some person would take the risk to open a grocery in HC that carries the products they now sell. Do you know why the former HC market closed?

    BTW, right now there’s a market in HC that has veggies and meat and a good size clientele, but no one on this blog has mentioned it or probably even knows about it. Do you know why that is? I have an idea, it has to do with people’s perceptions and choices.

  102. J.P.
    June 9, 2008 at 5:39 pm

    House-sitting for my friend in Henderson Center this week. Today I walked from Henderson Center to Winco and back. Lots of other folks out walking on Henderson, including quite a few moms with young kids, one with a little one in a stroller. One guy in an electric wheelchair. A few older folks, and plenty of teens and tweens.

    And, not including the time spent in Winco, the leisurely, round triip walk took exactly 52 minutes. Oh, what a hardship. Had to laugh as I thought about the folks on this thread who refer to the neighborhood as “sprawling” and “blighted.” What a joke.

  103. Jane Doe
    June 9, 2008 at 6:01 pm

    Huh, Nan? I didn’t say anything about business owners and their profits.

    I don’t know which market you are talking about, Nan, and thought I knew Henderson Center quite well. There used to be 2 large markets in Henderson Center. One is now Rite Aid and the other (used to be Larry’s) is now a rental furniture place (I think). I believe they both closed after Winco opened, but I could be mistaken.

  104. Not A Native
    June 9, 2008 at 6:11 pm

    Jane,

    OK, you have a homework exercise to find the unknown(to commenters here) market in HC. Clue: its on a corner on Harris

  105. Jane Doe
    June 9, 2008 at 6:19 pm

    Are you talking about Burger’s Market? Is that still open? That isn’t really Henderson Center though is it?

  106. June 9, 2008 at 6:28 pm

    The Asian place, he’s talking about.

    But that doesn’t really qualify as Henderson Center.

  107. Not A Native
    June 9, 2008 at 6:50 pm

    Hank, Close Enough.

    My point is that even when an opportunity exists no one here “knows” about it because its not “their” place. Its actually very popular, attracts customers from a wide area, has been there for many years. The owner/operator is friendly and would stock anything people ask for, if it sells.

  108. June 9, 2008 at 6:58 pm

    It’s a cool shop, for sure. The one in HC proper, on E, doesn’t quite match up, though it’s pretty neat too.

    “Kha Something.” Tip of my tongue…

  109. J.P.
    June 9, 2008 at 6:58 pm

    Though not technically in Henderson Center, that asian market IS closer to H.C. than Winco. And their ginger root is WAY better!

  110. June 9, 2008 at 9:10 pm

    If there’s one thing I’d like for us all to take away from this discussion, it’s that we should all try to call Henderson Center “The H.C.” as often as possible.

  111. Anonymous
    June 9, 2008 at 9:35 pm

    If Henderson Center is so horrible a place to live, why is it so popular with local home buyers?

  112. June 9, 2008 at 9:39 pm

    I frequent the “H.C.” quite a bit. Today I went to a sandwich shop and my bank.

    -boy

  113. Ekovox
    June 9, 2008 at 9:52 pm

    “The H.C” Wow, just like that teen drama show on television.

    Oh, by the way, I think the meat and veggies place he REALLY meant to mention was Papa Murphy’s. They have a huge customer base.

    Food Mart, a local grocery chain for decades sold to both Safeway and Ray’s Food Place. They had stores in Fortuna, McKinleyville and The H.C. The family chose to sell to these companies. If I remember right, part of the deal was they couldn’t operate the store in The H.C. After the passing of the two founding brothers, the family decided to sell the businesses. I would imagine they saw the writing on the wall. Changing buying habits, food choices, price and sometimes just the glitz has forced the little supermarkets to fold. All over Eureka, small corner markets have all closed. And yes, the Henderson Center Market, where Papa Murphy’s stands now is gone. It’s part of the changing landscape of American consumerism.

    If you think there will be grocery store opening in Henderson Center anytime soon, think again. It just doesn’t pay and our desire to want a market within walking distance isn’t going to change that. If you think there is a chance, then take the risk and open it yourself and see if it thrives. If the Velluntini family called it quits, then perhaps Safeway and Winco won the competition for the grocery shopper. They were smart to open other smaller, more successful businesses that worked. And, they stayed loyal to The H.C. Whether The H.C is auto dependent or walkable really makes no difference.

  114. Anony.Miss
    June 9, 2008 at 9:57 pm

    “Lumbar” Hills?

    could I correct you, Jane?

    Lundbar.

    Lundblade plus Barnum equals Lundbar subdivision.

  115. Jane Doe
    June 9, 2008 at 10:25 pm

    LOL Miss, my back is hurting tonight :P

  116. Jane Doe
    June 9, 2008 at 10:27 pm

    I was trying to remember what was in Joann’s fabrics before them. Anyone?

  117. Anony.Miss
    June 10, 2008 at 7:51 am

    I don’t remember- but I believe it was another fabric store, maybe locally owned. Before that, I have no memory.

    Henderson Center is a great community- I wish all communities were as lucky. The neighbors can walk to pick up what they need (except groceries- that really is too bad!) which is a great role model for a community. Sunny Brae, parts of McK, Arcata, and Fortuna are close to shopping and it’s certainly convenient for residents. It’s a lovely area and has been as long as I remember. Nice neighborhoods around the shopping area and quite a variety of stores. Henderson Center rocks!

  118. Ekovox
    June 10, 2008 at 8:02 am

    Jane, wasn’t it Home Fabrics prior to being purchased by JoAnn Fabrics. I remember being dragged there by my mother oh so many years ago.

    For fun, click on this Merle Shuster aerial photo of Henderson Center in 1947. Look, right there where Finegan and Nason sits was a Safeway Store. (be sure to click on the photo to enlarge it)

    The Merle Shuster collection online from the HSU Humboldt Collection is truly and eyeopener.

  119. Anonymous
    June 10, 2008 at 8:11 am

    Sprawl in the making. Chilling photo of what was to come.

  120. Anonymous
    June 10, 2008 at 8:12 am

    Love the empty lots where kids once played.

  121. Anonymous
    June 10, 2008 at 8:25 am

    Did you play in an empty lot when you were a kid? I did, a neighborhood-sized lot with a stream and oak trees. It’s single-family homes now. It’s in the valley, but could just as easily be Henderson Center.

  122. Jane Doe
    June 10, 2008 at 8:51 am

    I think you are right, Ekovox; but what was it before Home Fabrics? I don’t think it started out as a fabric store, did it?

  123. June 10, 2008 at 8:52 am

    I heard that it was another grocery way back in the day.

  124. Greg
    June 10, 2008 at 9:11 am

    It was Food Mart before FM moved into the old Purity Store where Rite-Aid is now. There used to be a Safeway in the auto parts store at Henderson and F. The building across from Shafer’s at Henderson and E was a grocery store for many years as well. Use to ride my bike up and down Harris and Henderson quite a bit…way back in the day.

  125. Jane Doe
    June 10, 2008 at 9:25 am

    Thanks Hank and Greg, I thought so. My mom shopped mostly at Purity but I thought I remembered another grocery store there. There were a lot of grocers in that neighborhood in times past. Safeway, Purity, Food Mart, Cannams; but most of the current business locations were homes. I don’t remember the time before Fresh Freeze was on the corner. Great photo.

  126. Ed
    June 10, 2008 at 10:43 am

    In the sixties, I remember riding with my mother to town in the east S.F. bay burbs. Upon seeing an old flatbed piled high with produce crates, scales and awnings perched on the sides, she hung a u-ey to catch it before losing sight. He was an old Italian with an early fifties or late forties dodge and a different grocery delivery route every day and Mom had to get on his list! After that, we had produce straight from the farmer’s market to our door every tues. Many past designs formed out of necessity are forms we should use today. Delivery trucks, walkable neighborhoods, corner groceries, mass transit, and plenty of nearby productive farm and ranch land all will be in our future because of their sheer efficiency.

  127. Anonymous
    June 10, 2008 at 11:15 am

    No, single family homes and driving to shopping centers is our future. You’ve seen precisely that model defended in this thread.

  128. Anonymous
    June 10, 2008 at 11:48 am

    Vacant lots rock.

  129. Ekovox
    June 10, 2008 at 1:20 pm

    Henderson Center 1947. Sorry folks, you can’t go back in time. Infill. It is what says it is.

    Another view Before Saint Bernards High School was built there was the Catholic Convent School

    Many of the houses on E & F were torn down to create what we call now call the Henderson Center shopping district. Do you think that would fly today? I doubt it.

  130. Anonymous
    June 10, 2008 at 1:33 pm

    We don’t need vacant lots if EVERY neighborhood has a park.

  131. Not A Native
    June 10, 2008 at 2:00 pm

    It wasn’t inevitable that post WWII U.S. developed into sprawl. It was choices made by post depression era folks that they wanted, had earned, and were entitled to, ever increasing consumption of material goods which would be available without limit. The technologies and infrastructure developed during WWII made it a possibility and people decided to make it a reality. A successful war effort also changed American’s self image from unsophisticated isolationists to destined world dominators.

    Other choices were mostly made in Europe, for instance, where the the prospect of future war was everpresent and scarcity was at hand. Folks there decided to be more cautious in increasing their consumption, always planning for future hard times.

    In the story of the race between tortoise and hare, tortoise wins because the hare is complacent and arrogant. But the hare has the ability to win, it just needs to have the will. And it isn’t impossible that both can win(or both lose).

  132. Jane Doe
    June 10, 2008 at 2:00 pm

    There were lots of old houses torn down in that period, Ekovox. There were a lot more Victorians then and no one wanted to spend the money to fix them up so they were demolished and new homes or businesses put in their place. Remember the Carson mansion that was torn down where the T-S is now located? That probably wouldn’t happen today either.

  133. Anonymous
    June 10, 2008 at 2:31 pm

    We wouldn’t build stores on Indian burial grounds today either.

  134. Anonymous
    June 10, 2008 at 6:22 pm

    I live in the “greater HC” neighborhood and have for years. I love my location and support the businesses there as much as possible. There have definitely been changes in the area (as in all of Eureka) over the past few years and some businesses have suffered. I especially miss Foodmart, Bay City Grill and Robert’s. Sadly, I hear Henderson Center Pharmacy will soon be leaving as well. My personal dream is for the empty Robert’s building to become a mid-size market with a full deli, much like Wildberries in Arcata.

  135. Walt Frazer
    June 10, 2008 at 9:04 pm

    You all forgot to mention that Safeway bought Foot Mart to close it, and sold it with the proviso that no one could have a food store there for 50 years. That’s why all the locals who can’t drive have to take a cab to Winco. I had a business in Henderson Center, and got to know and like the people there. . .the customers too. There are lots worse places to live. Reminded me of the Rockridge section of Oakland 35 years ago. Safeway’s raid, and King Phillip’s move to put Social Services in where Rite Aid is, really hurt the community, though. It really could use a little Wildberry’s.

  136. Anonymous
    June 10, 2008 at 9:07 pm

    A Wildberries branch in the old Roberts store would be great. Does anyone know them?

  137. Anonymous
    June 10, 2008 at 9:08 pm

    Wildberries vine?

  138. Anonymous
    June 10, 2008 at 9:38 pm

    King Phillip = Phil Crandal, Social Services uber leader.

  139. Anonymous
    June 10, 2008 at 9:41 pm

    Calling Henderson Center “The H. C.” reminds me too much of “TCH.”

    Not only that, but it takes us one step further away from Eureka’s historical roots.

    Does anybody even know who this “Henderson” was?

  140. Anonymous
    June 10, 2008 at 9:43 pm

    A guess – The guy who built the building inhabited by the pharmacy, BofA, etc.

  141. Anonymous
    June 11, 2008 at 11:07 am

    Another other guesses? How about one solid fact?

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