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KHSU Gen. Manager forced out

Humboldt State University said this week that KHSU General Manager Elizabeth Hans McCrone resigned her position to broaden her horizons.  She disagrees.  Below is her side of the story.

Dear KHSU Community,

Let me start by correcting the recent press release sent out by the university characterizing me as departing KHSU to “pursue other endeavors.”  I did not leave to pursue other endeavors. I was forced to resign.

A week ago Monday at a regularly scheduled meeting with Rob Gunsalus, the vice-president of University Advancement, Mr. Gunsalus told me that he and I had “a different vision” for KHSU and that he would be seeking new management for the station. During that meeting and in a subsequent phone conversation he told me this had nothing to do with my job performance or any “job failure” on my part. In fact, he claimed I had done “good work for the station and the university.” He also said that he had no “animosity” toward me. He said that my dismissal was about a “new leadership direction” for KHSU. He was not specific about what that meant. He was specific about wanting me to resign, rather than to be fired.

I’ll spare you the details of our negotiations over the next week, which happened in large part while I was attempting to attend a family wedding in South Carolina. I will tell you that I was given very little time, that there are very few options for management employees in these circumstances and that I chose what I felt would be best for my husband and myself and our financial future – and that was to officially resign and take early retirement from HSU.

My last official day on the job is July 30th. As I leave I do so with serious concerns about the future of KHSU for the following reasons:

Last March a listener who was upset about the content aired during Democracy Now’s broadcast of the “Winter Soldiers” testimonies in Silver Spring, Maryland contacted me and university president Rollin Richmond to protest. Mr. Gunsalus became active in the discussion and sided with the listener’s position that KHSU was wrong to be airing what he felt were one-sided and “biased” perspectives on the war in Iraq. I did my best to explain to all involved that whether or not you agree with the programming, it is important in the interests of free speech and a free and democratic society to allow these perspectives to be heard. I said we would be happy to give the listener air time to react to the program and to share his opinions on
Democracy Now or any other issue he wished to speak about.

Mr. Gunsalus became adamant about engaging me on the merits of carrying Democracy Now on KHSU. He claimed Democracy Now was “pedal to the metal” advocacy and had no place on a publicly-funded college radio station. He said he had listened to an episode of “Winter Soldiers” on Democracy Now and stated that it “made my blood boil.”  He said he and President Richmond were “this close” to pulling Democracy Now off the air.

Shortly after this exchange I sent a memo and series of station reports about Democracy Now to Mr. Gunsalus and President Richmond. The memo was, as I stated “an effort to help us all deal with and understand listener reactions to Democracy Now and what role it plays on KHSU.”  With the memo I included financial data from pledge drives since Democracy Now had been added to the program schedule, amounts of dollars pledged on each show pitched during the drive, statistics on audience research during 9-10 a.m.
when Democracy Now airs, data from our streaming statistics and listener responses when asked “why do you support KHSU and what are some of your favorite programs?”  I concluded by saying that based on the reports “I believe this program performs well for the station and university and has broad support throughout the community.”

I did not receive a response from the president’s office, but when Mr. Gunsalus and I discussed the reports later he said that even if listeners liked Democracy Now and supported it financially, it might be “the right thing for the university to do” to pull the show. When I asked what objective criteria he would use to make that decision, he said it would be done “subjectively.”

Similarly, I am concerned about the fates of Thursday Night Talk and Eco News. On several occasions over the last two years, I have had conversations with both Mr. Gunsalus and President Richmond about allegations that the programs are biased to the progressive left, advocacy in nature and inappropriate for a campus radio station.  While at times I have agreed that the guests and perspectives on these shows come too often from one point of view and could be more journalistic in nature, and I have tried to work with the volunteer hosts and producers to achieve this, I have never questioned the value of the programs to our listeners or the dedication and hard work of the people who create them. I do not believe the university administration sees it the same way. Several months ago Mr. Gunsalus told me he wanted to replace the Thursday Night Talk hosts with someone who would do less “advocacy” and provide more “balance” to the show.  I tried to persuade him that it would be better to add another talk show rather than to cancel a long-standing program already in place and he agreed – but he promised to “revisit” the issue of Thursday Night Talk soon.

Lastly, I am concerned about the station structurally and financially for the following reasons:

In April during meeting with Mr. Gunsalus, he insisted that I sign a document transferring $100,000 of KHSU reserve funds, which come from membership contributions and underwriting revenue, into an Advancement Foundation account under a quasi-endowment agreement. I was hesitant to sign over the funds because of KHSU’s current budget situation (see below) and the rate at which the station has been forced to deficit spend to meet expenses. I was also hesitant because quasi-endowments, as defined by the Advancement Foundation are “funds that the institution’s governing board may choose to treat as endowment, but the board is not subject to any legal prohibitions against spending the principal.” While I am hopeful that the monies will be invested wisely and that interest earnings will benefit the station into the future, I worry about KHSU’s access to the funds should they be needed. I also remain perplexed and uneasy about the insistence by Mr. Gunsalus that I transfer the funds.

Some of you may know that KHSU’s state budget has been cut severely by the university this year ($25,000) and will continue to be cut by the same amount for at least the next four years. If this does happen, KHSU’s state subsidy will be essentially eliminated, which could very well cripple the station operationally. And, as I have tried to explain many times, any reductions the station receives from the university or other sources negatively affects the annual Community Service Grant from the Corporation for Public Broadcasting. The lower the state subsidy from the university, the lower the annual CPB grant, which further impacts KHSU’s overall budget.

As of July 1, 2008 Mr. Gunsalus changed the way in which the station receives and processes donations from the community. Instead of going through KHSU which has historically been the case, gifts now go through a centralized campus “gift processing center.” I am concerned that this procedure will interfere with the station’s ability to quickly know about and be responsive to our donors, a practice which the station has always handled well and been proud of.  And just two weeks or so ago, University Advancement took KHSU’s donor data base away from our Member Services office so that donor records no longer reside with radio station development personnel. These structural changes, while complicated to explain, have caused internal disruptions to KHSU’s staffing, gift accounting, receipting and donor acknowledgment processes. In short, it’s a mess.

I’m very sorry I will no longer be able to assist KHSU in an official capacity about these or any other issues of concern to the station. In my resignation email to Mr. Gunsalus I said the following:

“It has been a great privilege to work with the dedicated staff and volunteers at this beloved public radio station for the past six-plus years.  As a team we have achieved enormous success on behalf of the university and the listening community we serve. I had wished to accomplish much more for the station, campus and community … I am deeply saddened that cannot happen.”

Please know that I will always remain committed to the mission of public radio. I will miss my work at the station and with all of you very much.


  1. plannax
    July 18, 2008 at 3:51 pm

    Hmmm…. Shades of Pacifica 2000 strike… Can’t wait to hear a live-remote of Mad Dr. Matt and You Saving Grace locking arms and singing “We Shall Not Be Moved.”

  2. tad
    July 18, 2008 at 4:10 pm

    Peace be with you

    Amy Goodman is too radical for HSU? Rollin Richmond’s “reefer madness,” part two. Everything has gotten spooky at that place every since they finished that BS squared building.

    love eternal

  3. Tom Sebourn
    July 18, 2008 at 4:12 pm

    Wow! Biased programming from the progressive left not fitting for a college radio station? Democracy Now too controversial? I never thought commercial radio would become the main outlet for the progressive left but as long as the advertisers are happy, commercial radio can be as biased as it wants to be without much government interference. I guess we have Ronald Regan to thank for this. In August 1987 the Fairness Doctrine was disolved by the FCC. This gave us Rush Limbaugh and later, progressive talk radio.

  4. Anonymous
    July 18, 2008 at 4:25 pm

    Good thing this happened during summer break. Students would be hosting sit-ins.

  5. Anonymous
    July 18, 2008 at 4:26 pm

    The truth is KHSU is one of the absolute worst college radio stations ever. Boring, boring, boring. Doesn’t anyone at that station understand what younger people like to listen to? Classical music? NOT.

  6. Anonymous
    July 18, 2008 at 4:30 pm

    Stop giving to KHSU. We have alternatives. Let the new administration strangle KHSU. It will make our truly independent stations all the better and stronger for it.

    KMUD, KHUM and yes, even JPR will serve us even better. JPR has a kickass talk program in the morning, and could stand to cover more Humboldt issues more often. Stations, who have a clue, throw support to their supporters. Let’s stand up for the good stations who truly serve the interests of our county.

  7. anon
    July 18, 2008 at 4:47 pm

    If a public information request were to be filed with HSU seeking to know how many employees had been forced out, fired, or who had resigned over the past 5 or 6 years,
    including such luminaries as Professor Stone Brusca,
    and if that request could identify those lost employees and the qualifications they had, it would astonish. A staggering amount of talent has been steadily flowing AWAY from HSU.

  8. gulo gordo
    July 18, 2008 at 4:55 pm

    Context: KHSU management recently cut a portion of an EcoNews Report broadcast because it was – get this – critical of the Bush Administration.

    That’s what Eliz. H-C means when she says “the guests and perspectives … come too often from one point of view and could be more journalistic in nature.”

    I listen to the station all the time, but if HSU wants to turn the station into one that never annoys its potential (rich Republican) donors, then we’d be better off just shutting KHSU down. Give their equipment to KMUD (who actually do local news, much more competently than Channel 3), let Oregon’s JPR handle the NPR broadcasting for the region, and the HSU kids can run pirate hip-hop radio.

  9. Anonymous
    July 18, 2008 at 4:58 pm

    As if we need another neocon media voice.

  10. Jane Doe
    July 18, 2008 at 4:59 pm

    The current administration of HSU has been abominable. Since when does an NPR station expect to please all the people all the time with the stories they run? It sounds to me like Gunsalas wants his political bias to be the guide as to what is appropriate. If he had specific complaints about inaccuracies in DN broadcasts that would be another story, but just objecting because the stories they run, while completely factual, upset someone who doesn’t want the stories told is something else entirely. This type of censorship at an NPR / college radio station is what is inappropriate and absolutely unacceptable.

  11. Anonymous
    July 18, 2008 at 5:02 pm

    Why are people who disrespect the heart and soul of the university and the community leading the campus? Why do the faculty, staff and students quietly accept it? Why do the media continue to give these people a free ride? Brusca should was a wake-up call if there ever was one. But let’s be good little reporters and pretend everything is peachy because HSU is a big employer. Uh huh.

  12. Anonymous
    July 18, 2008 at 5:03 pm

    Reinstate McCrone and throw Richmond and his like-minded administration out.

  13. Anonymous
    July 18, 2008 at 5:10 pm

    But let’s be good little reporters

    Don’t worry. They’ll write their little stories. Maybe the Journal will have a cover story. It will all be forgotten next week. These things happen, they say, it’s normal. All normal. Nothing to see here. Move along.

  14. Anonymous
    July 18, 2008 at 5:21 pm

    A staggering amount of talent has been steadily flowing AWAY from HSU.

    You don’t know the half of it.

  15. Jane Doe
    July 18, 2008 at 5:30 pm

    Richmond has been a disaster. Faculty is extremely unhappy with his refusal to respond to their concerns over increasing administrative positions and putting up new bulidings while cutting faculty. He seems to be more concerned about building a personal fiefdom than in education. There have also been serious questions, and a related settled lawsuit (David Wells was fired for raising the issue received several hundred thousand dollars and a guaranteed 3 years employment), over his misappropriation of earmarked donations. He should be the one resigning.

  16. Anonymous
    July 18, 2008 at 5:34 pm

    Amy Goodman proved herself a true patriot by broadcasting one of the few non-neo-con points of view during the build-up to the War in Iraq. It’s only natural that neo-cons want to punish her now.

    To borrow a phrase from an earlier era, she is guilty of “premature opposition to the War in Iraq.” She should have waited until after Bush was reelected in 2004 to criticize him. If she had only kept her finger moist and high in the air, like the Mainstream Media did, she would have blended right into the journalistic herd. Er, crowd.

  17. Aha Moment
    July 18, 2008 at 5:48 pm

    This letter would normally be construed as burning bridges, ruining any chance of McCrone’s moving to another public radio station.

    It could only be written by a person who plans to remain living on the north coast without thought of returning to university life. Therein lies the most telling thing… Richmond’s popularity is so low that it’s to McCrone’s favor to tell the truth, go public and not retire quietly into the night.

  18. Daddy Warbucks
    July 18, 2008 at 6:27 pm

    transferring $100,000 of KHSU reserve funds […] the board is not subject to any legal prohibitions against spending the principal.”

    Holy shit! If I donate money to KHSU I expect it to stay with KHSU, not be used for who knows what somewhere else!

  19. Ecumenik
    July 18, 2008 at 7:43 pm

    I have always had a problem with KHSU’s insistence on broadcasting the national propaganda, day in, day out. the NPR shows are total pravda. KHSU is showing its true colors.

  20. Anonymous
    July 18, 2008 at 8:08 pm

    Apparently the pro-war propaganda wasn’t thick enough.

  21. July 18, 2008 at 8:10 pm

    You have to hear KMUD’s interview with an HSU spokesperson recorded today before Elizabeth’s letter went out. What a schmuck! Hang your head, HSU. This is embarrassing.

  22. Anonymous
    July 18, 2008 at 8:11 pm

    Well the admin has one point to make which is valid: Thursday Night Talk has hit a new low with David “Flim Flam” Cobb at the helm, as if Rob Amerman wasn’t bad enough. It was Jamie Flower who made that show special, and judging by the lack of call-ins now, TNT is no longer special, just another mouthpiece for Cobb’s pet moneymakers.

  23. Anonymous
    July 18, 2008 at 8:25 pm

    You have to hear KMUD’s interview

    Anyone have a recording? Let’s see/hear the transcript. If a public official lies, is it a crime?

  24. July 18, 2008 at 8:28 pm

    You have to hear it to get the full ooze.

  25. Anonymous
    July 18, 2008 at 8:36 pm

    President Rollin Richmond hails from Iowa.
    V.P. Rob Gunsalus hails from Texas.
    Betsy McCrone is pretty much a local.

    We aren’t stupid and we don’t like this. I’m canelling my contribution Monday.

  26. Anonymous
    July 18, 2008 at 8:36 pm

    Which show/time?

  27. Anonymous
    July 18, 2008 at 8:40 pm

    Bizarre. And frankly, there was plenty of boring air time to fill with Michael Savage if they want “balance”. What is the point in removing programming?

  28. down the drain
    July 18, 2008 at 8:41 pm

    there goes khsu…glug glug, gurgle gurgle…

  29. July 18, 2008 at 8:43 pm

    Which show/time?

    KMUD Local News, 6:00 pm edition for July 18.

  30. Anonymous
    July 18, 2008 at 8:44 pm

    It’s funny, because wasn’t Alistaire McCrone (The last HSU President for 20 some odd years) a diehard Republican? Maybe he was a Libertarian. For Richmond supposedly melding better with the university, he sure makes the last guy look good, even with the budget cuts.

  31. Anonymous
    July 18, 2008 at 9:25 pm

    This partial transcript comes from KMUD Local News, 6:00 pm edition for Friday, July 18, 2008. I listened to it twice, but there could still be transcription errors, so listen to the archived version for any questions.

    [audio src="http://www.asis.com/kmud/parchive/mp3/kmud_080718_180000newspm.mp3" /]

    The report about KHSU begins at 6:30 minutes in the MP3 file. This portion of the transcript begins at 7:30 minutes. HSU spokesperson Paul Mann is indicated to have been interviewed prior to McCrone’s e-mail announcement being sent out.

    PAUL MANN: “I have the same information that you do that was in the announcement. I don’t have anything beyond that. Can you be more specific? I’m not sure what it is you’re asking. The announcement’s pretty straight forward. This is a routine leadership change.”

    KMUD: “Okay. The announcement says that she’s resigning to go onto other endeavors, but rumor has it that it was a forced resignation. Is there any truth to that?

    MANN: “I can’t comment on rumors because that’s what they are, rumors.”

    KMUD: “Well, is there any truth to the belief that there was a forced resignation involved.”

    MANN:”Is there any truth to the belief… I… I just have to say again that the announcement speaks for itself. … Elizabeth Hans McCrone informed Vice President Gunsalus yesterday afternoon at about 1:30 that she had decided to resign.”

    KMUD: “Was Democracy Now or Thursday Night Talk involved in the decision at all?”

    MANN: “Not to my knowledge, no ma’am.”

    KMUD: “It says she’s going on to pursue other endeavors. Do you know what those endeavors might be?”

    MANN: “No, I haven’t spoken with Elizabeth. She’s on vacation, so you’d have to ask her.”

    KMUD: “KMUD News was able to have a conversation with Elizabeth Hans McCrone to hear her thoughts on the resignation and her future plans.”

    MCCRONE: “I think what I’m the most disturbed about, Cynthia, is that if I have not been dismissed for performance-based reasons which is what my supervisor Rob Gunsalus stated to me when he did dismiss me on July 7th and, and the station has such good numbers in terms of our audience research, and this no offense to KMUD. Thank God for KMUD and what a wonderful radio station you are. KHSU’s sister station, but KHSU is the most listened to radio station in Humboldt County, both public and commercial stations, among both public and commercial stations. If we have these high audience research numbers, our fundraising statistics, our underwriting statistics are up, why has the general manager of this station been suddenly dismissed? That is the question I think the community needs to be asking the HSU administration.”

    KMUD: “And do you think Democracy Now and airing that played a key role in the decision?”

    MCCRONE: “I don’t know. I don’t know. I, all I can tell you is my concerns for Democracy Now, for programs like Thursday Night Talk and Eco News that have been on the station. Democracy Now has been there since 2004. The other programs have been there much longer. All I can tell you is that the current administration has, oh what is the word, has really questioned whether a campus radio station should be airing what they said were advocacy programs. They are questioning whether a university should be airing these long-standing programs that have lots of community support and lots of listenership, based it would seem to me on the political content of the programs which is disturbing from a First Amendment perspective, and it’s disturbing from a community of listeners who wants to hear them.”

    KMUD: “Well what are you going to do now, Elizabeth?”

    MCCRONE: (laugh) That’s a great question. I said in my e-mail one of the ways that I’m able to manage this sudden change in my life is that I’ll be taking early retirement, and, uh, so I have some financial resources down the line to cope, so I think for a while I’ll just see about not doing anything at all and thinking about what’s to come in the future. I’m very young to retire. I’m 54, I’ll be 54-and-a-half by the time it all comes through. So there’s a lot of life left in me and a lot of things I would love to accomplish professionally, but at this point I don’t really know.

    KMUD: “KHSU General Manager Elizabeth Hans McCrone.”

  32. Kevin Hoover
    July 18, 2008 at 9:26 pm

    Heraldo, whoever that is, is taking her or his usual lazy and unprincipled approach to this issue.

    Those of you who are opining based on Heraldo’s representations are not doing so with sufficient information.

    Kevin Hoover
    Arcata Eye

  33. Anonymous
    July 18, 2008 at 9:42 pm

    While I find Amy Goodman’s and David Cobb’s voices annoying and their shows somewhat skewed and bombastic, I am grateful that KHSU allows these and other voices to be heard. It fits the context of a liberal college town in Northern California. If there is a need for more ‘diversity’ (which I don’t doubt) then let more voices on, don’t make the station bland. If Democracy Now is discontinued due to content then I will not be sending KHSU any more money any time soon.

  34. Anonymous
    July 18, 2008 at 9:55 pm

    What a lying schmuck!

    It reads more like HSU is carefully choosing its words. Wasn’t he a White House correspondent? Looks like his time in Washington was well spent. Quick study.

  35. Jane Doe
    July 18, 2008 at 10:24 pm

    Amy Goodman showed her courage and should have gained universal respect many years ago when she and a fellow journalist stepped out between the Timorese people and Indonesian soldiers to try to prevent a slaughter, were thrown to the ground and beaten with rifle butts and the other journalist’s skull was fractured, but she considered herself lucky because almost 300 Timorese were shot to death before her eyes. There aren’t many people who are worthy enough to criticize her.

  36. Anonymous
    July 18, 2008 at 10:39 pm

    Except HSU. HSU is good enough to criticize her. Our rightwing media hasn’t led us astray so far. Look at the peace and prosperity we enjoy today! Go HSU! Keep us safe from information!

  37. July 18, 2008 at 10:51 pm

    There’s nothing wrong with wanting some equal time for the other side, balance, you know. That’s a fair thing. There is a problem with ‘advocacy programs’ that take advantage of (free) taxpayer funded airwaves to peddle their propaganda. It’s a nice game while it lasts, you shouldn’t expect it to go on forever. Everyone else has to pay to push their message. Giving “Baykeeper” (and Cobb) a forum to push their political agenda under the guise of ‘education’ is only fair if there’s equal time.

    If they can put together a program that can survive in the real world of broadcasting – one that gets the ratings and brings in the money, more power to them. But using (free) public airwaves, radio or TV, is a bastardization of the intent of public access.

    Get out your guns and arrows, let ’em fly. Elizabeth did try to inject some balance, at least some of the time. That makes her a rarity.

  38. Anonymous
    July 18, 2008 at 11:00 pm

    There is a problem with ‘advocacy programs’ that take advantage of (free) taxpayer funded airwaves to peddle their propaganda.

    Not according to the FCC, not since the 1980s. Richmond has Rose defending him. Uh oh.

  39. July 18, 2008 at 11:06 pm

    This is not about the Fairness Doctrine – my opinion, a University is a place of learning. It is important to keep an open mind, and present all sides of a debate – it strengthens that educational process. You don’t want a bunch of drones. You want informed people with well exercised critical thinking skills. That’s what a learning institution’s highest calling is.

  40. Jane Doe
    July 18, 2008 at 11:16 pm

    Does the truth have bias?

  41. Anonymous
    July 18, 2008 at 11:40 pm

    Rose, KHSU is balanced. The counterweight to Democracy Now is NPR. NPR beat the drum for war just as much as the rest of the mainstream media.

    If universities are no longer venues for dissenting voices to be heard, all hope is lost for our democracy. Shame on HSU. Has Richmond no shame?

  42. Anonymous
    July 18, 2008 at 11:41 pm

    Some issues are not “debates” with multiple sides. There is no moral merit to torture, racism, slavery, etc. Much of DN reporting is exposing these issues. The so-called “other side” is simply a smoke screen to allow these atrocities to persist for the sake of monetary and political gain. The “presenting all sides” canard is a way of raising the rationale for these activities to the same level as the moral argument against them. It is also a way of raising unfounded claims (such as the climate has not warmed, intellegent design is science, etc.) to the same level as ideas that are supported by vast amounts of data and analysis.

  43. Anonymous
    July 18, 2008 at 11:43 pm

    It is important to keep an open mind, and present all sides of a debate – it strengthens that educational process

    I agree Rose, so stop defending the notion of removing Democracy Now. Your position is to eliminate a liberal voice from KHSU, leaving it only with a mainstream media voice. One voice is not “all sides of a debate.” It is one side.

    Add a rightwing show to the lineup, fine. But to eliminate Democracy Now? That’s absurd. That goes against the grain of what a university is about. It’s sickening.

  44. Anonymous
    July 18, 2008 at 11:43 pm

    Kevin Hoover has plenty of the later, and little of the former. His days on KMUD Mondays are numbered.

  45. Jane Doe
    July 18, 2008 at 11:48 pm

    NPR is a privately-supported non-profit membership organization. It gets less than one percent of its program budget from federal funding and that from competitive grants. There has been a deliberate effort to mislead people into thinking that NPR is supported with tax dollars.

    And its not like the non-progressive view point doesn’t have the lion’s share of the air waves supported by corporate TAX DEDUCTIBLE DONATIONS via advertisements.

  46. Jane Doe
    July 18, 2008 at 11:50 pm

    Well said 11:41.

  47. Anonymous
    July 18, 2008 at 11:51 pm

    “presenting all sides”

    Why is this argument always used to silence progressive voices? Why is a university silencing anyone?

  48. Jane Doe
    July 18, 2008 at 11:55 pm

    The “other” side from DN is silence. They just don’t want these issues and events discussed. They aren’t good for the bottom line or the New World Order agenda. They want every news source beholden to them so they can control content and cut funding if stories are done which don’t fit the picture they are trying to paint. This is the type of censorship that the secret fascists employ.

  49. Anonymous
    July 18, 2008 at 11:57 pm

    HSU spokesperson Paul Mann is indicated to have been interviewed prior to McCrone’s e-mail announcement being sent out.

    There’s a confusing double use of the word announcement. The first announcement is a HSU press release. The second announcement is McCrone’s e-mail.

  50. July 18, 2008 at 11:58 pm

    Democracy Now, when it became wealthy enough – meaning successful enough – to buy ads in Time Magazine, ceased to need the Public Funding Incubator.

    At a certain point – and it appears to have long since reached that point, it should have to stand on its own in the marketplace. Right next to Rush Limbaugh, if they can command the ratings. In the real world. Get real franchises, Survive the way everyone else has to.

    The public funding system was put in place to ensure that minority views and voices were kept in the debate. When they couldn’t afford to make it own their own – but the incubator isn’t supposed to cook them forever.

  51. July 19, 2008 at 12:01 am

    And btw – Nobody silences “progressive” voices. In fact, right now, the taxpayers are paying for them. I’m betting they still can’t stand on their own. Think Air America.

    But KGO is a model that demonstrates what Air America could have been. IF they knew how the real world operates, and could compete in the real world. KGO shows you it can be done.

  52. Jane Doe
    July 19, 2008 at 12:01 am

    What part of 1% don’t you understand Rose?

  53. Jane Doe
    July 19, 2008 at 12:02 am

    1% publicly financed support, 99% from voluntary donations.

  54. Jane Doe
    July 19, 2008 at 12:03 am

    And as the surveys from KHSU demonstrated, this community likes Democracy Now and their voluntary donations increased when they started carrying it.
    This is blatant censorship of progressive views.

  55. Jane Doe
    July 19, 2008 at 12:04 am

    I don’t know why I waste time trying to explain anything to Rose. Her head is perpetually spinning from her circular logic and she can’t think critically.

  56. Jane Doe
    July 19, 2008 at 12:17 am

    Now that I think about it, radio stations that carry the likes of Hannity, Limbaugh, Savage, Boortz shouldn’t be supported with tax deductible donations disguised as advertisements. If corporations want to give them money, they should have to pay taxes on it so we aren’t helping to foot the bill for biased, hateful and dishonest radio broadcasts where the other side isn’t allowed equal time.

  57. Anonymous
    July 19, 2008 at 1:02 am

    Nobody silences “progressive” voices.

    Maybe you missed the topic of this thread.

  58. Anonymous
    July 19, 2008 at 2:01 am

    Wasn’t he a White House correspondent?

    “Assigned to the White House” for Aviation Week & Space Technology magazine. ““I consider him one of the most outstanding journalists in Washington in the field of military and intelligence affairs.” –Helen Thomas.

    Well, he fits right in at HSU.

    God Bless the Internet archive.

  59. Anonymous
    July 19, 2008 at 2:02 am

    Oh, and hired by Jane Rogers who also has moved on to new endeavors.

  60. Anonymous
    July 19, 2008 at 3:10 am

    Remember that thing with Plumley and Richmond and their effort to get the TNT host changed for the 3rd District debate?

    They’re accusing KHSU of having a political bias, but wasn’t it worse when the President of the university intervened on behalf of his favored candidate?


  61. Anonymous
    July 19, 2008 at 6:48 am

    Remember that thing

    No, I don’t remember that thing. Link to your memories.

  62. Moviedad
    July 19, 2008 at 7:37 am

    I can’t believe “Rose” has the nerve to criticize Democracy Now. Maybe this collaborator with the neo-con traitors, needs her/his blinders kept firmly in place. for that I would suggest NPR. this outlet for propaganda , whether it is publicly funded or not, it is being broadcast on a publicly funded station. Amy Goodman stayed in the Firehouse studio blocks from ground zero during the 911 atrocity. I suppose the fact that there is more than enough evidence to hold hearings on what Bush/Cheney knew about the event. Oh, yeah, I can already hear the collaborators yelling, “911 conspirators, 911 conspirators!” how long will the “Bill O’Rielly” tactic of yelling like a spoiled child work?
    I don’t want to get into all the issues with the tragedy, nor do I wish to engage the “Jews for Hitler” mentality of the traitors. but Amy Goodman, and Juan Gonzales are two of the bravest Americans we have ever known.

  63. July 19, 2008 at 7:59 am

    Remember that thing with Plumley and Richmond and their effort to get the TNT host changed for the 3rd District debate?

    Yes, I remember (but I don’t think it made the net). Richmond pulled strings so Plumley wouldn’t have to debate in a forum moderated by political science prof. Dan Faulk.

  64. Anonymous
    July 19, 2008 at 9:51 am

    Dan Faulk? At least he’s capable of keeping his personal moneygrubbing crapola off the airwaves, unlike, say, David Cobb.

  65. Tangled Web
    July 19, 2008 at 10:11 am

    Here is a fantasy from an alternate reality where you cannot take people at face value.

    1. You disfavor some popular programs.

    2. You disfavor the manager of those popular programs.

    3. You order the manager to quash those popular programs.

    4. Manager quashes those popular programs.

    5. Your customers are outraged and blame the manager. Your business’ reputation is in tatters.

    6. You throw the manager under the proverbial bus several months later to restore order. The popular disfavored programs remain dead. Two birds. One stone.

    It’s a good thing we don’t inhabit that bizarro universe.

  66. Anonymous
    July 19, 2008 at 11:14 am

    And why did Jamie Flower get forced out of Thursday night talk? Without shows like Thursday night talk, EcoNews, and the 10+ hours of classical music every week, it’s all available on the internet. Why should I donate to a local radio station with no local news, and management that is censoring shows?

    If you have not listened to the Democracy Now shows under scrutiny, you should. When I heard the one of the soldier’s press conference and the shame and psychological suffering that he has endured from things he was forced to do in Iraq, I thought, “Every American should hear this.”

  67. Jane Doe
    July 19, 2008 at 11:28 am

    If everyone heard it things might change. The neocons don’t want people hearing about the brutality of regime’s the US supports, the voices of the oppressed being aired, the winter soldiers filling in the blanks of Abu Ghraib, the lies told and retold or wondering why the mainstream isn’t reporting on these very serious matters. They can’t refute the truth so they will silence it. They want the people lulled into an alternate reality with sound bytes and slogans rather than indepth information about what is really going on and what is behind it. An educated and informed populace is necessary for democracy to thrive and that’s the last thing they want.

  68. Jane Doe
    July 19, 2008 at 11:32 am

    F.H. Knelman, Ph.D on “soft fascism”

    “The U.S. does not have to use the instruments of fascism – mass arrests, death camps etc. to obtain the blind obedience of its citizens. The power of national pride, to the point of constantly claiming their preeminence, creates a social cohesion at the mercy of government. The mainstream media is an important accomplice in the government’s arsenal of propaganda. The most powerful tool of America’s soft fascism is a large core of brain-washed population supported, of course, by an accommodating religion. With the alliance of Big Business they need no overt acts of mass violence to practice their soft fascism. Also aiding them is a weak opposition represented by the Democrats. They, of course, are waiting for the mid-term House and Senate elections but even then their policies remain clouded in uncertainty. Above all, Pax Americana has the military power to impose its will on the entire world and has set out on a path to accomplish this.”

  69. Anonymous
    July 19, 2008 at 12:11 pm

    I sent Amy and D.N! this story. I know it’s wishful thinking but wouldn’t it be great to see these adminis-traitors caught in a national spotlight for the brutes that they are.

  70. July 19, 2008 at 1:00 pm

    And the flip side of the soldier Goodman interviewed NEVER gets his or her voice heard there does it?

    But they are out there – and they are putting their point of view on the net, where it can’t get censored by the Amy’s (the counter to your O’Reilly).

    People like this: U.S. TORTURE AND ATROCITIES who put up posts like this one Iraqi kids think a US soldier is the devil

    Be careful, Jane, that exposure to the other point of view might make your head explode.

  71. Anonymous
    July 19, 2008 at 1:34 pm

    I sent Amy and D.N! this story.

    Ahh, so a liberal college’s dislike for dissenting viewpoints becomes national news. Good job Rollin. Mission accomplished. I’m sure that will help enrollment.

  72. tad
    July 19, 2008 at 1:41 pm

    Peace be with you Rose

    I don’t get your point. O’Reilly is “your O’Reilly.” And there is no information on the link you left. Ok, so the children of Iraq thinks a US soldier is the devil, how is that the opposite of Democracy Now?

    love eternal

  73. Anonymous
    July 19, 2008 at 1:57 pm

    The mere idea that a university is not a venue for dissenting voices to be heard… it’s unthinkable in America. The man should resign. How he obtained a position of leadership at a non-religious non-rightwing “college” is baffling.

  74. Jane Doe
    July 19, 2008 at 2:07 pm

    What is the opposing view to Democracy Now? Is ignoriing the stories by the mainstream media because they can’t refute them an opposing view? Are the extreme right wing fanatics Limbaugh, Hannity, Savage and Boortz with their lies and hyperbole an opposing view? How many opposing views does it take to counter one program voicing an ignored story of irrefutable fact? The purpose for non-commercial broadcasting is to provide listeners with views not filtered by the corporate / political sieve. Allowing the right wing to control or silence progressive voices (far from the only voices) on PBS and NPR defeats the purpose and certainly isn’t justified by the very minimal support from taxpayers. Who do you most trust to decide what is worthy of public broadcasting, youself and your neighbors who support KHSU and want Democracy Now or right wing bureaucratic hacks and corporations?

  75. Anonymous
    July 19, 2008 at 2:32 pm

    How about the half-hour Free Speech Radio News which KMUD runs from 630-700 every night? It’s high-quality and doesn’t take money from the Ford Foundation (unlike DN). There’s also the INN show which runs on the Free Speech TV website. Please don’t feed us another false dichotomy about “DN or NPR” as if we have no other choices. That’s like saying we’re stuck with either the lame Amerman or the lamer Cobb as the host for Thursday Night Talk, when there are in fact much better local radio hosts who are up for the job and actually capable of keeping their personal bullshit away from the show. Dan Faulk and Jamie Flower were excellent examples of how to do it right.

  76. Anonymous
    July 19, 2008 at 3:29 pm

    What is the opposing view to Democracy Now?

    True. Most stories DN covers are not being covered by mainstream / corporate / state media. I find the university’s position very disturbing.

  77. July 19, 2008 at 3:32 pm

    Yes, Tad, spend a few minutes going through US Torture and Atrocities site, look for the Tickle Torture, one of my favorites.

    Democracy Now is a pretty fair counter to Rush Limbaugh, Jane, so go ahead and run ‘en both.

    But there is a BIG difference in the universe they exist in. Limbaugh and the rest of “right wing talk radio” exists because people listen, because the rating justify their spot on the dial.

    Maybe enough people listen to Amy Goodman that she could compete.

    On a local level, Kevin Hoover (and Hank before him, on Humboldt Review) did it right – he brought on guests from both sides, and he wasn’t gunning for his guests. (Unlike Jamie Flower). Mike Dronkers at KHUM also does it right. It makes for a more informative and interesting program. I believe Eric Kirk makes an effort to include both sides.

  78. Anonymous
    July 19, 2008 at 3:48 pm

    Democracy Now is a pretty fair counter to Rush Limbaugh, Jane, so go ahead and run ‘en both.

    Rush already airs in Humboldt on another station. In fact, the airwaves are already filled with rightwing voices. Having one liberal radio program is hardly a problem, most especially for a university. It’s shameful. Shame on Richmond.

  79. Anonymous
    July 19, 2008 at 3:53 pm

    So why not change the host instead of kill the program? You keep ignoring the points Rose. Everything about this scandal is over the top, incomprehensible for a public university.

  80. Anon
    July 19, 2008 at 3:57 pm

    > Anonymous Said:
    > July 18, 2008 at 8:36 pm

    > President Rollin Richmond hails from Iowa.
    > V.P. Rob Gunsalus hails from Texas.
    > Betsy McCrone is pretty much a local.

    > We aren’t stupid and we don’t like this. I’m canelling my contribution
    > Monday.

    I could be wrong, but I think this is Gunzalus’ first secular university job

    Good luck reaching anybody to cancel your contribution — I think all that’s been taken away from them and moved to the university.

  81. Anonymous
    July 19, 2008 at 3:57 pm

    And all this for *one* listener complaint. ONE!!!

    UNBELIEVABLE! What planet are these pinhead suits from? They do not understand California. They do not understand anything. They are destroying OUR radio station. Yes. It’s more ours than it is some schmuck who is here for a few years and then retires somewhere else on our state pension. We have to live in the aftermath of their destruction.

  82. anon
    July 19, 2008 at 4:17 pm

    theres more to this story too


  83. Anonymous
    July 19, 2008 at 4:32 pm

    You keep saying that 4:17. Posting a link is stupid without any explanation. At best, you’re a smearing punk. Really, you should be above such things.

    Duh, look, there’s more to this story too.

  84. Anonymous
    July 19, 2008 at 4:34 pm

    4:17, the CSU system has its own separate auditor. That you linked to an unrelated state auditor indicates you’re making shit up.


  85. anon
    July 19, 2008 at 4:40 pm

    4:34 pm


    Russ Hayden, CCFM
    Manager of Investigations

    look it up

  86. July 19, 2008 at 4:43 pm

    In fact, the airwaves are already filled with rightwing voices.

    Locally, that would be sister-stations KINS and KWSW. And if the private sector airwaves are filled with rightwing voices, it is because they are listened to, and draw ratings. Plain and simple.

    What I found when I started listening to it (which was after KGOE dropped KGO/Ronn Owens et al), what I found was discussion of the issues, with callers from all walks and idealogies. It’s not about censoring, in fact those who disagree are often moved to the head of the caller line-up, and welcomed to make their argument.

    You all might be surprised to know that they are pretty hard on Bush alot of the time.

  87. Anonymous
    July 19, 2008 at 4:45 pm

    Look what up? You cited the name of someone who presumably works there. So what? You make me laugh.

    OK. I can play your game. J. Edgar Hoover. FBI. Look it up. He’s come back from the grave and is investigating you. I have no evidence, but I recited his name. That proves it.

  88. anon
    July 19, 2008 at 4:47 pm


    The Bureau of State Audits administers California’s Whistleblower Hotline (800-952-5665). The hotline enables state employees and the public to report improper acts committed by state agencies, departments, or employees, as defined by law.

    What do we investigate?

    * Illegal acts, such as theft, fraud, or conflicts of interest by state employees.
    * Misuse or abuse of state property, including state vehicles, buildings, or equipment; or state time by state employees.
    * Gross misconduct, incompetence, or inefficiency by state employees.

  89. Anonymous
    July 19, 2008 at 4:49 pm

    He’s probably the same guy who claimed the FBI was pulling 215 patient records and a whole lot of other horse shit on the blogs and Craigslist. He gets a kick out of fooling people when there is a controversy. Sort of like the loonies who call 911 claiming a fire or crime just to watch what happens.

  90. Anonymous
    July 19, 2008 at 4:50 pm

    Ooh, more copy and paste from the auditor’s web site. You’ve really convinced me now. He knows how to use a mouse.

  91. Anonymous
    July 19, 2008 at 4:52 pm

    4:47 put up or shut up. Make a claim or go home. Vague unsubstantiated insinuations are for for punk kids. This is no way to “get back” at someone you presumably didn’t see eye-to-eye with. How sad. Coworker hijinks.

  92. Anonymous
    July 19, 2008 at 4:53 pm

    it is because they are listened to, and draw ratings. Plain and simple.

    The same is true for KHSU, plain and simple. Why get rid of a station’s most popular programs, especially when your station is supported by listener contributions? It sounds like a great way to sink the station in a very short time.

  93. Anonymous
    July 19, 2008 at 4:59 pm

    Thursday Night Talk is not a “popular” program, it hasn’t been ever since they dumped Jamie Flower and Dan Faulk in favor of these freaks. I’ve heard Amerman and Cobb go through entire shows with not a single incident of a caller actually speaking. While this could be because David Cobb is madly in love with the sound of his own voice, the more likely explanation is that NO ONE IS CALLING.

  94. Anonymous
    July 19, 2008 at 5:07 pm

    Uh oh, I am NO ONE. I didn’t know I didn’t exist. Thank you 4:59 for clarifying my status in this universe.

  95. Jane Doe
    July 19, 2008 at 5:08 pm

    Listeners aren’t who pay the money for right wing radio. It is their corporate advertisers who have a lot of control over which voice is heard. Corporations want the voices of the right wing extremists heard and want to silence reasonable discussion from the left, unlike public radio where the listeners pay. Limbaugh doesn’t counter Amy Goodman and neither do Hannity, Boortz or Savage. They ignore the stories Democracy Now runs because they can’t counter them. Claiming the right isn’t given a chance to counter Amy is ludicrous on it’s face and no reasonable person would make that claim. The fact is that KHSU has a large viewing audience which is willing to fund 99% of programming. Why can’t we have the programming we have stated we want?

  96. Anonymous
    July 19, 2008 at 5:10 pm

    Well, obviously the solution is to kill the program instead of change its host. It’s how we deal with conflict. Take our ball and go home. How adult. And this guy is president?

  97. Anonymous
    July 19, 2008 at 5:17 pm

    We all get ahead of ourselves. Even if they wanted to, they couldn’t kill the programs now. There would be a wholesale listener defection to whatever radio station that fills the gaping hole that would be left by those programs.

    Kill those programs and you simply have a mainstream media station airing NPR. Bor-ring.

  98. Jane Doe
    July 19, 2008 at 5:27 pm

    We also shouldn’t forget that Gunsalas forced Ms. Hans McCrone to sign over $100,000 in KHSU reserve funds, excess donations above and beyond the cost of running the station. Where it will go is anyone’s guess but shows that donations have more than covered expenses. Democracy Now is one of the best researched and honest programs available anywhere. We shouldn’t be surprised that they are trying to kill it.

  99. Anonymous
    July 19, 2008 at 5:52 pm

    Good point Jane. We shouldn’t forget HSU’s history with financial scandals. That $100,000 move should be explained to KHSU members.

  100. Jane Doe
    July 19, 2008 at 6:02 pm

    I do hope that everyone knows that even if Democracy Now is removed from local programming, you can listen or even watch at your convenience:


    I am adding my KHSU donations to my Democracy Now donations since I don’t want to help fund a radio station that censors the voices I want to hear. If all DN fans did so, it would help them amplify the voice that we think people need to hear.

  101. Not A Native
    July 19, 2008 at 6:28 pm

    I’d say instead of abandoning KHSU, this is a time to rally in support of the programming you want. I see Elizabeth’s email as a timely early warning.

    Taking your ball and going home may soothe your angry child but organizing fund drives earmarked to programming, circulating petitions, writing letters, and possibly holding demonstrations will get attention of the adult world.

    Otherwise it appears to be a personality driven pissing contest over who has authority over HSU staffing.

    Of course, supporting another local station is also a possibility. As I recall, when the Bayside FM station was up for sale, no local entity arose to acquire it, despite the owner’s efforts. JPR came in among some grumbling and there it is.

  102. Jane Doe
    July 19, 2008 at 6:35 pm

    “As of July 1, 2008 Mr. Gunsalus changed the way in which the station receives and processes donations from the community. Instead of going through KHSU which has historically been the case, gifts now go through a centralized campus “gift processing center.”

    Not another dime.

  103. July 19, 2008 at 6:46 pm

    Well, Jane, you’re starting to get it right – Listeners aren’t who pay the money for right wing radio. It is their corporate advertisers who have a lot of control over which voice is heard.

    Make that advertisers including Ohhh, CORPORATE advertisers… ooohh… ignore the fact that throughout the nation in every market of every size, there are small advertisers who buy ads on the shows that people listen to. Because they want to reach those people. It has nothing to do with the message that is being talked about. It is purely about listener numbers.

    It is a vastly different universe. But surely you can pull your head out – of – oh never mind. Make it a conspiracy if you want to. It’s the evil corporations trying to brainwash the populace. Squash all dissent. Silence all voices, even the internet, oh my god, there’s just no choices left anymore. All of the media is dominated by evil right-wingers.

  104. July 19, 2008 at 6:48 pm

    Actually, it IS a little more than JUST listener numbers, it is also the nature of that segment – as in, do they have disposable income and can they afford to buy the products that are being advertised. See that’s why KINS does so well. They have a lot of listeners with higher net worth, and thus more disposable income, and therefore, the advertiser whose ads run on that station gets a better return for his or her money…

  105. Jane Doe
    July 19, 2008 at 6:55 pm

    I’m impressed Rose. You finally got it almost right. They are even trying to censor the internet. The alternative progressive media gets it right issue after issue, year after year while the mainstream media spews the corporate / government line but the inaccurate message is what most people hear. You have to seek out the alternative message while the source most people receive on their TVs and radios and even many major newspapers is all right wing all the time. That’s purely coincidence of course. They are just giving the people the news they want to hear, right? Do yourself a favor and watch the free online documentary “Orwell Rolls in His Grave.”

  106. thorn
    July 19, 2008 at 7:20 pm

    not a native,

    i agree with most of your suggestions in terms of not giving up on khsu, but instead rallying to support the programs we value.

    but i’m not so sure about “organizing fund drives earmarked to programming.”

    it looks like the university has decided that it’s going to take all the donations, and even the station’s reserve fund, and then folks like richmond and gunsalas will decide how much to give back. this isn’t a good sign, as far as maintaining the station’s independence in programming decisions.

    just because you “earmark” your check for democracy now, doesn’t mean that hsu won’t go ahead and bank your contribution while also cancelling those shows.

    i’d recommend *temporarily withholding* donations.- perhaps some friends of khsu could open a “friends of free speech” bank account for that very purpose – and doing all of the other steps you named to help hsu to resist the pressure they got from that one out of state listener who didn’t want to hear what an actual soldier in iraq had to say, in the “winter soldier 2” hearings, about what was really going on in the occupation, beyond the happy spin from the “leaders” hunkered down in their plush bunkers in the “green zone.”

    with a “friends of free speech” account opened, and people actively raising funds for it in place of their regular khsu donations, the effort to save important programs like democracy now will have some additional leverage – namely the funds that accumulate in that account that would go to hsu periodically, but only if they maintain democracy now.

  107. Jane Doe
    July 19, 2008 at 7:22 pm

    Great ideas Thorn, but I don’t think the current leadership cares whether KHSU survives or not.

  108. thorn
    July 19, 2008 at 7:31 pm

    i’m especially concerned about a possible decision to stop airing “democracy now.” od course i don’t agree with everything that every guest says on that program, but that’s not the point. the point is that democracy now brings in points of view that are underrepresented in the main stream media, including npr’s vanilla newscasts.

    i sued to really enjoy thursday night talk, and if jamie flower, or someone similarly competent, was still hosting it, i’d be calling for people to speak out in defense of that program also. unfortunately, tnt has really gone down hill with david cobb as the host. jamie flower did a much better job of involving audience callers, even those who did not agree with the guest or with jamie’s own views.

    jamie did not “dumb it down” by trying too hard to control the conversation to meet his own ideological point of view, as cobb invariably does. perhaps a new host would do better, but now it’s likely to be someone who will hew to the don’t-rock-the-boat center in service of gunsalas and richmond.

    we need someone who isn’t afraid to have guests and callers express all points of view, without trying to either “play it safe” like richmond and gonsalas would like, or else spend the hour peddling their own rather predictable left orthodoxy like cobb does (nor a “right” othodoxy either, there’s plenty of that brand of nonsense on the radio already).

    it turns out that talk show hosts who strive to create an animated but civil dialogue, thoughtful argument and a real exchange of ideas, are also more interesting to most people (because most people are not ideological “true believers” on either side, and many are actually interested in hearing all sides and trying to work out which parts of each they believe, without being spoon-fed it by someone as predicatably one-sided as david cobb, or rush limbaugh for that matter).

  109. July 19, 2008 at 7:37 pm

    It is funny, Jane. most of the censorship I see online comes from “leftwingers” and if you don’t think that, given a chance, that they would (will) shut down the Rush Limbaugh’s, the Sean Hannity’s, the Michael Medved’s, Neal Boortz’s, you’re crazy.

    There’s room for all sides – and the internet is not going to be censored. Blogs, for example, are proof of that.

    Unless there’s a power failure, then you’ll be back to smoke signals and working with your neighbor instead of cursing him.

  110. Anonymous
    July 19, 2008 at 7:49 pm

    Rose, Jane is referring to ongoing efforts to control the building blocks of the Internet, not the crap that goes on with blogs, etc. It’s Big Brother x 10.

  111. thorn
    July 19, 2008 at 7:57 pm


    i think the hsu powers that be DO want khsu to survive, but they’d like to see it transformed into something a lot more like jefferson public radio – a nice, safe college-directed public radio station that won’t upset any wealthy alumni or conservative politicians.

    so it might be better to withhold funds and if they do continue down that route, and we’re not able to keep khsu mostly independent from the grasping hands of hsu’s administration, maybe it’s time to think about replacing it with a “100% listener-supported” station. kmud provides one model that may be worth emulating, at least in part.

    folks might also want to learn a little bit about the experience of wpkn in bridgeport, ct. this used to be the college radio station of the university of bridgeport, until that cash-strapped institution was bought up, lock, stock and barrel, by the “professors’ world peace academy,” a moonie front group. wpkn had already been getting a larger and larger share of their funds from the community as the university cut back year after year, while the station’s volunteer staff and supporters kept building a stronger and stronger community that cared about the station (much like khsu in recent years).

    so when the university of bridgeport was bankrupt and looking to sell out to reverend moon, wpkn went independent, 100% listener-supported, and democratically run by volunteer programmers, with various community advisory groups helping to shoulder the burden of leadership and development.

    i think it’s been nearly 20 years now, and wpkn is going stronger than ever, with a number of excellent locally-produced news and information programs, including the award-winning “between the lines” program which is now syndicated to other independent stations, and of course plenty of unique, eclectic, and downright quirky music programs.

    in a place like humboldt, with all the energy, creativity, imagination, dedication and enthusiasm of our people, khsu could be all this and more. but not with the “don’t rock the boats” crew in the hsu administration calling the shots.

    so, i’d vote for a trial seperation (seperating hsu from our khsu pledge dollars to see if that might help them see the value of the listener-supporters who care about programs at hsu) and if that doesn’t work, maybe an all-out divorce is the best thing for all parties.

    if they won’t give up the equipment or the frequency, then perhaps we need to see if there are any other frequencies available that might be used for a truly independent, volunteer-programmer-driven, democratically run, 100% listener-supported station in northern humboldt. or maybe kmud could get some additional “fm translator” frequencies up in the north part of the county, and expand their focus to humboldt-wide.

    there are a lot of possibilities, but rolling over for richmond and his blandification program is not one most of khsu’s supporters are going to go for.

  112. Anonymous
    July 19, 2008 at 8:10 pm

    JPR has a kickass morning call-in show. Balanced as they say, but on relevant topics not being discussed much in mainstream media. It’s the old school method of approaching progressive issues. Conservatives probably hate it because they persistently lose when facts are introduced into the discussion. It’s a real no-spin zone.

    But *if* KHSU is considering killing its weekly talk show, it will never be in the mindset to compete with JPR. More talk, not less.

  113. Jane Doe
    July 19, 2008 at 8:11 pm

    I wonder if Rose watched the free Orwell Rolls in His Grave or if she has ever watched, listened, or read any of the news from Democracy Now. Go to their online site and pick something out that is untruthful or biased that the opposing view hasn’t been heard. And find that same story in the mainstream media to see their take on it. Let’s discuss specifics.

  114. Jane Doe
    July 19, 2008 at 8:18 pm

    Am I the only one who is shocked that someone with a computer and internet access doesn’t know about the fight to preserve net neutrality?

  115. thorn
    July 19, 2008 at 8:20 pm

    more talk, but less cobb-blah-blah.

  116. Anonymous
    July 19, 2008 at 8:27 pm

    I agree completely with Thorn on this one. It’s been a long time coming for the Eureka area to finally figure out that KMUD simply can’t cover our Humboldt Bay area with the same depth they give to SoHum. This isn’t to knock KMUD, but to simply give it the highest form of flattery: imitation. We need our own community-run radio station for our area; KHSU is and always will be a statist institution with very limited forms of community input, much less democratic oversight with unelected bureaucrats like Richmond ever-ready to swing the axe.

  117. thorn
    July 19, 2008 at 8:29 pm


    most people now have internet access, but i’d wager you that less than 20% know what the term “net neutrality” means, much less anything to do with the fight to preserve it. on a positive note, that’s probably up from 2% just a few years ago.

  118. Jane Doe
    July 19, 2008 at 8:37 pm

    Wouldn’t you expect people with enough interest to blog on politics and the media to know about it, Thorn?

  119. Anonymous
    July 19, 2008 at 8:47 pm

    Before the next pledge drive, we should insist the president promise to retain these programs. No promise, no money.

  120. Anonymous
    July 19, 2008 at 8:48 pm

    Oh yeah, and he should also promise that our money will stay at KHSU and not be used for any other purpose. Without such a promise, I’m not giving a penny.

  121. Anonymous
    July 19, 2008 at 8:54 pm

    Richmond’s promises aren’t worth spit. Time to give up the ghost and start diverting our resources to another, more worthy project. A “Free Speech Fund” is a great idea to generate seed money for a new station. It’s just a pity we’ll have to outbid scumbag stockbrokers like Pat Cleary to obtain a new station space on the dial.

  122. Jane Doe
    July 19, 2008 at 9:06 pm

    Maybe a free speech fund could be used to fund talk shows dealing with items not covered factually or under-reported in the mainstream media, local and not on a local station like KHUM or KGOE? Brought to you by the Humboldt County Free Speech Fund, people like you who want the unfiltered truth.

  123. Anonymous
    July 19, 2008 at 9:29 pm

    Yeah, raise money from well-meaning people just to line the pockets of Clear Channel (KGOE) or some fatcat stockbroker (KHUM) for some crumbs of air time revocable at any time? Nice try Mike, but we’re not buying that turkey, so go suck up to Cliff some more and leave the rest of us to plan our future free of interference from people like you.

  124. July 19, 2008 at 9:30 pm

    New to net neutrality? Check out this great video (and also this one) to understand this very important issue.

  125. thorn
    July 19, 2008 at 9:32 pm

    jane @ 9:06 p.m., that sounds like another good alternative, either as (1) an ongoing endeavor, or (2) as a temporary measure until either khsu can be redeemed, or else an independent station can be set up to fill the void that could be created by the blandification of khsu.

    but the way you worded that 9:06 post, jane, is a little unclear in terms of whether you are saying that those programs could be sponsored (as in advertising/underwriting) on KHUM and KGOE or not. could you clarify what you meant, please?

    about the issue of net neutrality, and the sad fact that some of the who folks bother to log on and comment on a political forum may still not know about net neutrality or the threat to it and the efforts to save it – well, i’m no longer surprised by the things that many people don’t know, even though it seems like it would be hard for any reasonably intelligent person to miss these things.

    mostly i chalk it up to their lack of paying attention, or else paying attention to relatively worthless info sources, like faux news, fluffy morning tv news shows, etc. one thing is for sure, if they listened to democracy now every day, they wouldn’t be ignorant about an important issue like net neutrality.

    but then of course some folks like an ignorant and misdirected public, they’re easier to mislead and manipulate for political and commercial gain. hence the antipathy to programs like democracy now, that bring important but under-reported issues like net neutrality into the light.

    remember, sunlight may be the best disinfectant, but from the point of view of the germs, it’s deadly. so much nicer to fester in the dark alonside the slimey likes of limbaugh, o’reilly, hannity, medved, and the rest of the bottom-feeders.

  126. Anonymous
    July 19, 2008 at 9:45 pm

    DN ain’t perfect either. Have they told you about Obama’s plan to set up a million-stong domestic enforcement army culled from the 16-19 year old set? Shades of Hitler Youth, anyone?

  127. Anonymous
    July 19, 2008 at 9:46 pm

    KHSU emulating JPR? That’s a funny thought.

  128. Jane Doe
    July 19, 2008 at 9:51 pm

    Sponsoring or underwriting a show, maybe sharing the cost with other nonprofits or even businesses if any are interested in a show like that. Maybe even have an with open forum period or day where community members could call in and give their spiel on their chosen under or inaccurately reported issue from any political viewpoint and it could be discussed.

  129. Jane Doe
    July 19, 2008 at 9:52 pm

    Do you have a source for that claim, 9:45?

  130. thorn
    July 19, 2008 at 9:58 pm

    got any supporting source for that hefty claim, 9:45?

    feel free to post a link so that we can judge for ourselves.

    whatever you’re referring to, i know one thing: if someone was to make that kind of claim on democracy now, whether it was made about some plan from obama, or some plan from mccain, or whomever – amy goodman would be telling us exactly what the source for the story was, as well as how we could find out more about it. it’s called being a real journalist, and whether or not you like her own politics (which she makes no claim of objectivitly about) amy goodman’s one of the best journalists around and the democracy now team of producers regularly breaks stories, accurately and in-depth, days or even weeks ahead of the mainstream media (in those cases where the msm does eventually get around to it). no wonder so many right-wingers hate her and middle of the roaders are uncomfortable with her. she’s not trying to make people feel comfortable, she’s trying to get the real story.

  131. Anonymous
    July 19, 2008 at 10:04 pm

    9:45 is merely trying to derail the conversation with an age old tactic: makin’ shit up.

  132. Red Hummer
    July 19, 2008 at 10:15 pm

    Democracy Now! is available on KMUD at 12 noon and as a download and podcast. I think KMUD already has a translator up north, and could do a lot with the money currently going to KHSU.

  133. Jane Doe
    July 19, 2008 at 10:18 pm

    I found the video that talks about “increasing our national security forces.” The flap is about a paragraph that Obama spoke that wasn’t included in the published transcripts of his speech which are handed out before the speech. The full text, minus the added paragraph, is here:


    The missing paragraph is “”We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.”

    This missing paragraph comes between:

    “We’ll send more college graduates to teach and mentor our young people. We’ll call on Americans to join an Energy Corps to conduct renewable energy and environmental cleanup projects in their neighborhoods. We’ll enlist veterans to help other vets find jobs and support, and to be there for our military families. And we’ll also grow our Foreign Service, open consulates that have been shuttered, and double the size of the Peace Corps by 2011 to renew our diplomacy.”


    “And we’ll use technology to connect people to service. We’ll expand USA Freedom Corps to create an online network where Americans can browse opportunities to volunteer. You’ll be able to search by category, time commitment, and skill sets; you’ll be able to rate service opportunities, build service networks, and create your own service pages to track your hours and activities. This will empower more Americans to craft their own service agenda, and make their own change from the bottom up. ”

    The “national security force” he is talking about is “Just as we must value and encourage military service across our society, we must honor and expand other opportunities to serve. Because the future of our nation depends on the soldier at Fort Carson, but it also depends on the teacher in East LA, the nurse in Appalachia, the after-school worker in New Orleans, the Peace Corps volunteer in Africa, and the Foreign Service officer in Indonesia. Americans have shown that they want to step up. But we’re not keeping pace with the demand of those who want to serve, or leveraging that commitment to meet national challenges. FDR not only enlisted Americans to create employment, he targeted that service to build our infrastructure and conserve our environment. JFK not only called on a new generation, he made their service a bridge to the developing world, and a bright light of American values in the darkest days of the Cold War. “

  134. Jane Doe
    July 19, 2008 at 10:21 pm

    It’s a great speech, I highly recommend it. This is typical of the right wing spin machine. Why do they always think our national security depends only on force?

  135. July 19, 2008 at 10:23 pm

    They never mean national security when they say national security.

  136. Jane Doe
    July 19, 2008 at 10:28 pm

    I guess that explains why Democracy Now didn’t mention Obama setting up a million strong teenaged Hitler youth program. Any other complaints?

  137. Jane Doe
    July 19, 2008 at 10:34 pm

    Something I find very odd is the rightwing’s apparent inability to do any research on the claims that they disseminate. Do you think 9:45 looked up Obama’s speech to get the context or just took the word of whichever frightwing spewer they listened to. It took a minute to find it, 25 minutes to listen to the whole speech and a couple of minutes to find and copy / paste the accurate information. Do they think we aren’t going to check?

  138. Jane Doe
    July 19, 2008 at 10:37 pm

    Oh, and you can listen to the speech here along with the faux flap


    Their readers must be dumber than dirt.

  139. tad
    July 19, 2008 at 10:55 pm

    Peace be with you

    On Tuesday Amy said, “He (Obama) had called the free trade agreement, in the debates with Hillary Clinton and with John Edwards, ‘a mistake.’ He called it ‘an enormous problem,’ but now, with Fortune, said, ‘Sometimes during campaigns rhetoric gets overheated and amplified. My core position has never changed. I’ve always been a proponent of free trade,’ which you (Naomi Klein) say actually is true.” It seems they are not talking in favor of Obama, but actually pointing out his “Chicago school” ties to neo-liberalism.

    love eternal

  140. Jane Doe
    July 19, 2008 at 11:00 pm

    Do you think there is a difference between the free trade agreement and real free trade?

  141. Anonymous
    July 20, 2008 at 12:54 am

    Obama’s ‘civilian national security force’
    Posted: July 15, 2008
    1:00 am Eastern

    Joseph Farrah WND © 2008

    With all the reporters covering the major presidential candidates, it amazes me no one ever seems to ask the right questions.

    For several days now, WND has been hounding Barack Obama’s campaign about a statement he made July 2 in Colorado Springs – a statement that blew my mind, one that has had me scratching my head ever since.

    In talking about his plans to double the size of the Peace Corps and nearly quadruple the size of AmeriCorps and the size of the nation’s military services, he made this rather shocking (and chilling) pledge: “We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives we’ve set. We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.”

    Now, since I’ve never heard anyone inside or out of government use the phrase “civilian national security force” before, I was more than a little curious about what he has in mind.

    Is it possible I am the only journalist in America who sought clarification on this campaign promise?

    What does it mean?

    If we’re going to create some kind of national police force as big, powerful and well-funded as our combined U.S. military forces, isn’t this rather a big deal?

    I thought Democrats generally believed the U.S. spent too much on the military. How is it possible their candidate is seeking to create some kind of massive but secret national police force that will be even bigger than the Army, Navy, Marines and Air Force put together?

    Now, maybe he was misquoted by the Congressional Quarterly and the Chicago Tribune. I guess it’s possible. If so, you would think he would want to set the record straight. Maybe he misspoke. That has certainly happened before. Again, why wouldn’t the rest of my colleagues show some curiosity about such a major and, frankly, bone-chilling proposition?

    Are we talking about creating a police state here?

    The U.S. Army alone has nearly 500,000 troops. That doesn’t count reserves or National Guard. In 2007, the U.S. Defense budget was $439 billion.

    Is Obama serious about creating some kind of domestic security force bigger and more expensive than that?

    If not, why did he say it? What did he mean?

    So far, despite our attempts to find out, the Obama campaign is not talking.

    At this point all I can do is enlist your help – and the help of every other journalist who still thinks the American people have a right to know the specifics about a presidential candidate’s biggest and boldest initiatives before the election. I also want to ask radio talk-show hosts across America to start asking this same question. I have a feeling if others join our quest, we might yet get clarification on this proposal from Obama.

    Who will Obama appoint to administer this new “civilian national security force”? Where will the money come from? Where in the Constitution does he see justification for the federal government creating such a domestic army?

    The questions are endless.

    But before we can hope to get to the specifics, we need much more in the way of generalizations from Obama.

    Certainly there have been initiatives like this elsewhere – Cuba, the Soviet Union, China, Venezuela, North Korea. But has anything like this ever been proposed in a free country?

    I have a feeling there would be more questions from the press if I myself had proposed the creation of something as preposterous as a “civilian national security force” than there has been about this proposal by the presidential candidate currently leading in most of the polls. I’m quite sure I would be hung out to dry as some kind of Nazi thug. Meanwhile, Obama makes this wild suggestion and it is met with a collective yawn from the watchdogs.

    Help me out here. What am I missing?

    Can I get a hand?

  142. Anonymous
    July 20, 2008 at 12:55 am

    Planned volunteer-informant corps elicits ‘1984’ fears

    Washington Times 07/16/02: Ellen Sorokin

    As part of the country’s war against terrorism, the Bush administration by next month wants to recruit a million letter carriers, utility workers and others whose jobs allow them access to private homes into a contingent of organized government informants.

    The Terrorism Information and Prevention System (Operation TIPS), a national reporting pilot program, is scheduled to start next month in 10 cities, with 1 million informants � or nearly 4 percent of Americans � initially participating in the program.

    The program will allow volunteers, whose routines make them well-positioned to recognize suspect activities, to report the same to the Justice Department, which is running the project. The Justice Department will enter the information into a database, which will then be broadly available within the department, and to state and local agencies and local police forces. At local and state levels, the program will be coordinated by the Federal Emergency Management Agency.

    Operation TIPS is one part of President Bush’s new volunteer Citizen Corps program that urges Americans to keep their neighborhoods safe. The program is described on the government Web site http://www.citizencorps.gov.

    “This broad network of volunteer efforts will harness the power of the American people by relying on their individual skills and interests to prepare local communities to effectively prevent and respond to the threats of terrorism, crime, or any kind of disaster,” the program’s description on the Web site states.

    The program has already alarmed several civil liberties groups, including the American Civil Liberties Union and the Rutherford Institute, which say the administration should not allow TIPS to become “an end run around the Constitution.”

    Critics say that having Americans act as “domestic informants” is reminiscent of the infamous Stasi, the new-disbanded communist East German secret police service that snooped on dissidents and ordinary East German citizens for more than 40 years, compiling a huge catalogue of notes.

    Rachel King, an ACLU legislative counsel, said yesterday the organization is concerned that law enforcement will use the volunteers, especially those whose occupations allow them to enter homes and monitor residents � to search people’s residences, without a warrant. She said that the organization is also worried that the program will adversely affect the fight against terrorism by wasting resources on useless tips and that the program will encourage vigilantism and racial profiling.

    “The administration apparently wants to implement a program that will turn local cable or gas or electrical technicians into government-sanctioned peeping Toms,” Miss King said.

    John Whitehead, executive director of the Rutherford Institute, agreed.

    “This is George Orwell’s ‘1984.’ It’s an absolutely horrible and very dangerous idea,” he said. “It’s making Americans into government snoops. President Bush wants the average American to do what the FBI should be doing. In the end, though, nothing is going to prevent terrorists from crashing planes into buildings.”

    A Justice Department official in charge of answering questions about Operation TIPS was out of the office yesterday and not available for comment.

  143. tractor detritus
    July 20, 2008 at 2:01 am

    KHSU only broadcasts the inside thoughts of all of you beautiful and crack-brained lunatics on this blog. If you would only tie yourselves up with 80 or 90 polish sauages and then eat them, then I think you’d have perspective on the flatulence you are all spewing. WOnderful but toxic…simultaeously…not so good.

    KHSU is like the Titanic.. start to sing and dance and rotate on a bratwurst of despair…i love you ALL so much I could puke…flap!!!!! to your dunderheads!!!!! FLAP!!

    It’s all too beautiful…

  144. Jane Doe
    July 20, 2008 at 7:01 am

    12:54/12:55, This is Moonie Times insanity. Listen to the speech. WTF is wrong with you people?

  145. Jane Doe
    July 20, 2008 at 7:15 am

    How dumb does one have to be to read that Obama wants to increase the numbers of social infrastructure jobs (nurses, teachers, environmental, energy, Americorps, peace corps, etc) which he called “a civilian national security force” and then (in the same article) read the ludicrous claim by the writer that this is some type of civilian military without laughing?

  146. Anonymous
    July 20, 2008 at 8:39 am

    Is ABC News too radical for you too?

    ABC News: The Blotter
    FBI Proposes Building Network of U.S. Informants

    July 25, 2007 1:01 PM

    Justin Rood Reports:

    Fbiproposesbu_mn_2 The FBI is taking cues from the CIA to recruit thousands of covert informants in the United States as part of a sprawling effort to boost its intelligence capabilities.

    According to a recent unclassified report to Congress, the FBI expects its informants to provide secrets about possible terrorists and foreign spies, although some may also be expected to aid with criminal investigations, in the tradition of law enforcement confidential informants. The FBI did not respond to requests for comment on this story.

    The FBI said the push was driven by a 2004 directive from President Bush ordering the bureau to improve its counterterrorism efforts by boosting its human intelligence capabilities.

    The aggressive push for more secret informants appears to be part of a new effort to grow its intelligence and counterterrorism efforts. Other recent proposals include expanding its collection and analysis of data on U.S. persons, retaining years’ worth of Americans’ phone records and even increasing so-called “black bag” secret entry operations.

    To handle the increase in so-called human sources, the FBI also plans to overhaul its database system, so it can manage records and verify the accuracy of information from “more than 15,000” informants, according to the document. While many of the recruited informants will apparently be U.S. residents, some informants may be overseas, recruited by FBI agents in foreign offices, the report indicates.

    The total cost of the effort tops $22 million, according to the document.

    Click Here for Full Blotter Coverage.

    The bureau has arranged to use elements of CIA training to teach FBI agents about “Source Targeting and Development,” the report states. The courses will train FBI special agents on the “comprehensive tradecraft” needed to identify, recruit and manage these “confidential human sources.” According to January testimony by FBI Deputy Director John S. Pistole, the CIA has been working with the bureau on the course.

    The bureau apparently mulled whether to adopt entire training courses from the CIA or from the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA), which like the CIA recruits spies overseas. But the FBI ultimately determined “the courses offered by those agencies would not meet the needs of the FBI’s unique law enforcement.” The FBI report said it would also give agents “legal and policy” training, noting that its domestic intelligence efforts are “constitutionally sensitive.”

    “It’s probably a good sign they are not adopting CIA recruitment techniques wholesale,” said Steven Aftergood of the Federation of American Scientists, an expert on classified programs. U.S. intelligence officers abroad can use bribery, extortion, and other patently illegal acts to corral sources into working for them, Aftergood noted. “You’re not supposed to do that in the United States,” he said.

  147. Jane Doe
    July 20, 2008 at 9:11 am

    Sorry 8:39, I didn’t read the TIPS article, wrongly assuming that it was about this Obama faux flap. Made an ass out of myself (again). TIPS was a program idea that was discarded soon after its announcement. Law enforcement in the US has always relied on citizen complaints and informants to help them and this is just a training program to help the FBI work those informants more effectively. While i am concerned over the growing police state, this is one of the more innocuous and so long as they don’t start throwing people into concentration camps on the word of a disgruntled neighbor “informant” don’t really see that this is much of a change. I would much prefer they use informants and do followup investigations, charge if there are crimes and go through the legal system than have them blackmailing me, opening my mail, tapping my phone, accessing my internet records and otherwise spying on me when I think I have privacy.

  148. tractor detritus
    July 20, 2008 at 9:37 am

    KHSU will now be the equivalent of Lawrence Welk on KEET, featuring the songs of Patti Page, Tennesee Ernie Ford, the Lettermen and the Greatest Hits of the Guess Who 24-7. It’s going to be so great! Just mellowness and inanity all the time! Killing us softly with pablum…dig it now or be banished to your inner arctic zone of madness. I’s warm in there.

    Love you all so much that I’m ready to blast off…flap…I mean it. Please, all of you, get some therapy before it’s too late.

  149. kateascot
    July 20, 2008 at 9:37 am

    Does TIPS remind anyone of the kind of tactics used in the “old” USSR?

  150. Anonymous
    July 20, 2008 at 9:46 am

    It sure reminds me of the tactics in Kevin Hoover’s Arcata.

  151. kateascot
    July 20, 2008 at 10:01 am

    No doubt! Hoover is beyond explanation. His rumor rag has turned Arcata into a city that is what Gene Pitney sang about in “A town without pity”.

  152. Anonymous
    July 20, 2008 at 10:13 am

    Ahh Kate and her Hoover-hate. You confuse news reporting with the opinion page. Please, enlighten us with specific examples of slanted news reporting. Hoover gives columns and columns of space to crackpots who take potshots at him, but they always fail to cite any concrete examples except things culled from the opinion pages. Typical hateful nuttery.

    Kate, don’t be a hater.

  153. Anonymous
    July 20, 2008 at 10:19 am

    Hoover gives columns and columns of space to crackpots who take potshots at him

    That’s becuse the haters make him look good. These nutters write volumes of hate about him without actually saying anything and the guy prints it! Kinda disproves whatever point they were trying to make.

    What’s wrong Kate, say something inappropriate at a public meeting and he quoted you? That’s the MO for the haters. They hate how they appear when their actual words are seen in newsprint.

  154. kateascot
    July 20, 2008 at 10:21 am

    10:13, As I’ve stated before I do not find any type of abusive or exploitive reporting at all useful. Mr. Hoover’s characterizations of people with negative connotations is juvenile and does not unite the community. If you will read one issue with what I’ve said as your guide then you will see what I’m talking about (unless you prefer to remain blind). FYI: It is not polite to tell people what to be or not to be. I hate noone, I do hate the things that some people do and reserve the right to do so.

  155. Anonymous
    July 20, 2008 at 10:24 am

    It’s the classic trap. You bring the rope and he’ll pull up a chair for himself and the entire town to watch you tighten the noose around your own neck.

    Word to the wise: When Hoover offers you space to vent your hate against him, it’s because you’re batshit wonkers and don’t realize it.

  156. Anonymous
    July 20, 2008 at 10:25 am

    Mr. Hoover’s characterizations of people with negative connotations is juvenile and does not unite the community.

    Doesn’t exist in the reporting and your failure to cite a single specific example reveals your lie.

  157. kateascot
    July 20, 2008 at 10:25 am

    Precisely my point 10:19; Mr. Hoover delights in hate-mongering……not my idea of good and fair reporting…

  158. Jane Doe
    July 20, 2008 at 10:30 am

    This might explain some of the anti-Hoover rhetoric:


    Add to that his anti-grow house stance:


    and you pretty much the whole ball of slime.

  159. kateascot
    July 20, 2008 at 10:31 am

    You can say I’m lieing because I do not do what you suggest I do to prove myself, I do not NEED to prove anything to you as I’ve given you the means to prove it to yourself if you so choose. You seem to be protecting him for some reason other than the newspaper, do you LOVE this guy? Are you him? Whatever….I really don’t care…

  160. Anonymous
    July 20, 2008 at 10:32 am

    Precisely my point 10:19; Mr. Hoover delights in hate-mongering……not my idea of good and fair reporting…

    OK Kate, you are not being reasonable. 10:19 pointed out that Hoover gives virtually unlimited column space for critics to say whatever they want in his newspaper, and you classify that as “not my idea of being god and fair reporting.” Of course not, he’s letting critics speak in their own words is technically not reporting. It’s 100 times better and fairer.

    That you persistently ignore reality makes it difficult to converse with you.

    I bet Hoover would love to give you space for an opinion piece. Ask him and them come back here and print his reply.

  161. July 20, 2008 at 10:36 am

    One of the benefits of being anonymous is you can pretend to be more than one person.

  162. Anonymous
    July 20, 2008 at 10:37 am

    Two weeks ago Hoover gave sprawling space to a medical marijuana proponent to rant about Hoover’s news coverage. It was funny because the guy didn’t cite specific examples and seemed to confuse the opinion page with news reporting. Oh, and seemed unaware that Hoover supports medical marijuana. I wonder if Kate knows this guy.

  163. tad
    July 20, 2008 at 10:38 am

    Peace be with you Kate

    Do you realize you’re probably arguing with Hoover himself? There is only one person in the whole world who is sleazy enough to defend Hoover, and that’s Hoover.

    Good luck with your argument.

    love eternal

  164. Anonymous
    July 20, 2008 at 10:38 am

    Not me Heraldo. I’m one person having a conversation with the him/her known as Kate. That I write and post when I think of it doesn’t mean I’m trying to hide how many people I am. I’m not writing different names in the NAME field like other people do. Please, stop the dispersions.

  165. kateascot
    July 20, 2008 at 10:40 am

    Obviously, if you understand what I am saying, I will not allow Hoover to have anything that I say be reported in his slime rag. It’s a filthy paper and I’ll have nothing to do with it! And again; it is his slant on what is said that I object to, his remarks, his exploiting people and situations to create a paper that inflames and twists the minds of the readers. I will not point out specifics instead I challenge you to read the paper with an open mind of possibility and see if what i say rings true at all….

  166. Anonymous
    July 20, 2008 at 10:43 am

    I will not allow Hoover to have anything that I say be reported in his slime rag.

    That says it all. You’ll sit back and spew hate for him, malign him about being unfair, but when he offers you the opportunity for your viewpoint to be heard in your own words, you brush it off. OK, I’m done. Not much to say after that revelation.

    And Heraldo, I’ve told you before, I don’t write a name in the NAME field because it vastly increases the chances of your spam filter snagging my messages. I tried it. It’s a crappy filter. Get a better spam filter, or turn it off and merely delete actual spam messages.

  167. thorn
    July 20, 2008 at 10:43 am

    let’s get back to the issue of khsu:

    does anyone know who is “in charge” of khsu now that elizabeth hans-mccrone has been purged. someone must be the “interim” station manager.

    we should all write letters to whoever is put in that unenviable position, making it clear that canceling democracy now will end our support of the station. cc to richmond and gunsalas. also, letters directly to richmond and gunsalas to protest hans-mccrone being forced out.

    by the way, doing this over the phone while hans-mccrone was out of town was a particularly unprofessional and gutless and/or heartless way to go about it. reminds me of junior high kids dumping their boyfriend or girlfriend over the phone. disrespectful *and* immature.

    thanks, elizabeth, for all your hard work on behalf of khsu.

  168. kateascot
    July 20, 2008 at 10:44 am

    Thanks Tad. Yes I do realize this could be Hoover, if so then I mean what I say and having met the man on a personal basis I can say more but refuse to be a member his mud slinging club.

  169. July 20, 2008 at 10:50 am

    It’s not Hoover, just one person with gender issues.

  170. Jane Doe
    July 20, 2008 at 10:51 am

    Hans McCrone last day is 7/30. Haven’t heard anything about who will be replacing her either permanently or temporarily.

  171. kateascot
    July 20, 2008 at 10:52 am

    Beware of the relationship Arcata has with HSU, too much hand holding going on….

  172. July 20, 2008 at 10:53 am

    Follow the link at the top:

    “Katie Whiteside, KHSU Program Director, and Pam Long, the station’s Director of Development, will share Ms. Hans McCrone’s responsibilities until a successor is named.”

  173. Anon
    July 20, 2008 at 10:54 am

    Thorn, the release from HSU sez: “Katie Whiteside, KHSU Program Director, and Pam Long, the station’s Director of Development, will share Ms. Hans McCrone’s responsibilities until a successor is named.”

  174. thorn
    July 20, 2008 at 11:05 am

    oops, that’s what i get for not reading the links.

    thanks, heraldo and anon 10:54.


    (1) letters in tomorow’s mail to ms. white and ms. long, expressing our support for democracy now and other programs each of us may support, cc these letters to richmond and gunsalas

    (2) letters directly to richmond and gunsalas to protest them forcing elizabeth to resign, and expressing concern that her removal may be related to her defense of democracy now. if you feel as i do, i would recommend that you make it clear in these letters to richmond and gunsalas that you are considering withholding your pledges to khsu until it is clear whether ms mccrone’s departure is part of an overall attempt water down khsu’s news programming.

  175. thorn
    July 20, 2008 at 11:06 am

    make that “ms. whiteside.”

  176. tad
    July 20, 2008 at 11:33 am

    Peace be with you

    Though HSU has always been working to move Humboldt county to the right politically, “Rolex” Richmond has significantly increased the effort and design of transforming this historically liberal strong hold into a conservative area. Since his arrival Rolex, has managed to infiltrate every political body, NGO, and non-profit in the area.

    Richmond, born in Apartheid Kenya. A graduate of the Rockefeller Institute for Medical Research (known since 1965 as Rockefeller University), Rockefeller university was originally a funding conduit for eugenics research to create “perfect human nature.” Has been the provost or dean of several Universities all of which had “racial problems” among left leaning, minority teachers, which were unanimously “solved” by the termination of the minority teachers. Here’s one for the “in the know” conspiracy theorists – Richmond is a member of the cosmos club.!? He has a PHD in “genetics.” He even specialized in fruit flies and malithyon, the “proof” that behavior can be changed chemically.

    You could roll back a lot of extremely right wing “paradigm shifts” by concentrating protest efforts against the “engineers” like Richmond. People who believe in hierarchies fall apart when you disrupt their “chain” of command. Kind of like rubbing out an ant trail, all the ants get confused and nothing gets accomplished. Why do you think he does his “Spanish gate” type bullshit in the summer? He knows you don’t know what he is doing, and he waits until the students are gone so they don’t know what he is doing.

    love eternal

  177. Anonymous
    July 20, 2008 at 12:08 pm

    Hoover has inserted disgusting personal attacks against a number of progressives in Arcata, usually the ones who manage to flagrantly disobey the orders of Democrat Central Command. Usually there’s one or two City Council candidates who especially attract his venom because they’re calling out the corruption in Arcata City Hall or standing up against the police state Hoover is encouraging.

    If Paul Pitino runs again, he is sure to attact this kind of treatment, just as Meserve did in 2006, Allen did in 2004, Anderson did in 2002, Filbert did in 2000 and on and on. There’s a whole list of Hoover’s victims who will tell you all about the Eye’s abusive treatment.

  178. July 20, 2008 at 12:20 pm

    The local content that KHSU offers, and which Rollin and others seem to find objectionable is important stuff. I do have to say that at least a few times, I’ve seen the advocacy cross bounds I’m not comfortable with — namely as Kevin Hoover described in his column on the Econews program on Flouride.

    I was able to bring this up with Pete Nichols and have a decent conversation with him about it. That’s the great thing about living in the community we live in.

    The strong-arm approach that the University administration has taken here is really out of touch with how to do things here in Humboldt. It’s alarming, to say the least.

    After Democracy Now aired programs that were really slanted and sympathetic toward Hugo Chavez I became pretty disgusted with the program, and have taken to calling it fascism-now and communism-now. I don’t care for Democracy Now, but plenty of others do, so it seems right that if folks make pledges to KHSU, they should get to hear the programming they ask for.

  179. Anon
    July 20, 2008 at 12:36 pm

    Not much talk about the $ end of things. This “retirement” unloads $100,000 plus from the khsu budget which Mcrone says is “forced to deficit spend to meet expenses.”

    thorn: not sure about her “hard work.” Word from several volunteers and some staff people is that this was move was overdue partly because a 30 hour week was typical. Also seems that if hsu admin had any intention of making anything clear they would have done it right from the start.

  180. tad
    July 20, 2008 at 1:04 pm

    Peace be with you

    “After Democracy Now aired programs that were really slanted and sympathetic toward Hugo Chavez I became pretty disgusted with the program, and have taken to calling it fascism-now and communism-now.”

    Hugo Chavez is the DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED President of Venezuela! He has never threatened any of his neighbors. He has no record of human rights abuses. He was even overthrown by a US backed coop, in 2002. It lasted for three days, millions of Venezuelans came out and demonstrated, and Chavez was President again. He is hated, because he rolled back planned privatizations, started taxing and auditing Multinational Corporations, and removing other neo-liberal policies in Venezuela. His government helps other governments turn back their neo-liberal, Pinochet (an avowed fascist) type policies. Plus Venezuela has a shit load of oil.

    I don’t trust your judgment any more.

    love eternal

  181. July 20, 2008 at 1:17 pm

    Hugo Chavez is exactly what you are all crying about – someone who shut down the media in his own country – and you give him a pass, Tad? If you sanction that you have no grounds to stand on trashing the people at HSU for making programming decisions.

    And, on a local note, a few years back, one of the other local radio stations switched from “right wing” to “left wing” talk and you didn’t hear any screeching from the “right” did you? It’s the right of the station managers, whether any of us like it or not – and they’ll live or die by their decision, and they’ll change it if they find it isn’t working.

  182. July 20, 2008 at 1:24 pm

    He has never threatened any of his neighbors.

    Not true. He threatened war with Colombia just a couple of months ago, in fact.

  183. My Name
    July 20, 2008 at 2:04 pm

    Ahem… Back to KHSU
    Katie Whiteside and Pam Long will quite likely be unable to go up against the Univ., for fear of their own jobs and due to the sheer workload now being hoisted upon them. If anything is to happen to “save” KHSU, it will have to happen from the community side of things.
    In addition, the KHSU Community Advisory Group was not informed of anything prior to the public announcements and are quite unlikely to have any say in the changes afoot.
    This leaves the staff and CAG as little more than private citizens.
    This situation is much bigger than just the removing of the GM – despite her personal work ethic reputation, Elizabeth Hans-McCrone believes in free speech.

  184. My Name
    July 20, 2008 at 3:49 pm

    I meant “for” their jobs, but perhaps “of” their jobs, too.

  185. tad
    July 20, 2008 at 4:03 pm

    Peace be with you

    If Colombia carried out special ops on Venezuela soil. That is more a “trespassers will be shot ” then “we’re going to bomb you into democracy.”

    love eternal

  186. July 20, 2008 at 4:11 pm

    If Colombia carried out special ops on Venezuela soil.

    No, if they carried them out on Bolivian soil.

  187. July 20, 2008 at 4:12 pm

    Or Ecuadorian, rather.

  188. Anonymous
    July 20, 2008 at 6:53 pm

    personal work ethic

    The same could be said of any administrator. McCrone differs in that she works directly with rank ‘n’ file staff and isn’t sequestered in her own separate suite of offices away from the daily doins’.

  189. Jane Doe
    July 20, 2008 at 7:04 pm

    The Venezuela / Ecuadorian side of it was Colombia crossed the Ecuadorian border and killed 17 FARC members. Ecuador and Venezuela both moved troops to their borders. “This is something very serious. This could be the start of a war in South America,” Chavez said. He warned Colombian President Alvaro Uribe: “If it occurs to you to do this in Venezuela, President Uribe, I’ll send some Sukhois”—Russian warplanes recently bought by Venezuela.

    I suppose you COULD characterize that as threatening war, but it did have the qualifier IF Columbia does that to Venezuela he would attack them.

  190. anon
    July 20, 2008 at 8:05 pm

    Anonymous 6:53 “The same could be said of any administrator.”

    I hope you don’t mean you consider it typical to have people on staff that make less than half as much working WAY too many 50 hour weeks under an administrator that time and again doesn’t average 40 hours.

    This is what’s been going on at khsu for years.

  191. Jane Doe
    July 20, 2008 at 8:13 pm

    Are you saying that is why she was forced to resign, anon? If so, why all the games over “pedal to the metal advocacy” programming?

  192. Jane Doe
    July 20, 2008 at 8:14 pm

    This is starting to remind me of the AG firings. I wonder if she was told she would be smeared if she went public. :P

  193. Anonymous
    July 20, 2008 at 8:29 pm

    Funny how Kevin Hoover automatically takes the side of the administration against Elizabeth. I guess that’s because McCrone wouldn’t hand over the news department wholesale to the Arcata Eye to spread its Stillman/Wheetley propaganda from.

    I for one will miss Elizabeth’s abiding interests in objectivity and fairness, qualities in short supply with the rest of the Arcata-based media.

    She can only be regarded as in good company if Amy Goodman’s head joins her on the chopping block, along with Greg from Econews. That’d pretty much sum up all the worthwhile things to hear on KHSU.

  194. anon
    July 20, 2008 at 8:38 pm

    Jane Doe Says: Are you saying that is why she was forced to resign, anon?

    It probably wasn’t any one thing. I’ve been told that when Gunsalas took over it was the 1st time there was any real oversight. Doesn’t seem that the programming opinions by administration are games.

  195. Jane Doe
    July 20, 2008 at 8:45 pm

    I keep getting the impression that some people think the view that is promoted throughout the mainstream media must also be presented in public broadcasts which are trying to give the other side. Using fluoride as an example, the vast majority of dentists, toothpaste advertisements, etc. all say that fluoride is beneficial without giving any of the opposing view. Does a public broadcast really need to give the other side in order for it to be balanced? The same is true of the news coverage of the war. We were inundated with stories of our valiant troops bringing freedom to Afghanis and Iraqis while the likes of Democracy Now were telling the other side of the story, dead and tortured Iraqis, massive corruption in war contracts, etc. The corporate / government view is over-represented in the mainstream media. It isn’t fair to insist that the alternative media increase the imbalance by repeating the corporate lines.

  196. July 20, 2008 at 10:10 pm

    No, Jane, what is fair is for the alternative media to pay their own way for a change, stop coasting on the public dime. If the public wants to hear “Democracy Now,” (or as Aaron correctly identifies it fascism-now and communism-now) then the ratings will show it, and the advertisers will line up to buy ad space on that show.

    And, Jane, have you considered the fact that our troops (us) did bring freedom to the Arghanis and Iraqis? Did you miss the people risking their lives to vote in the first election where Saddam wouldn’t have a 99% win? Have you missed that women can go to school again in Afghanistan? Oh, you did? Why? Because THOSE stories aren’t covered by “Democracy Now?” Could that be it? Are you so brainwashed that you can’t even comprehend that there is another side to the story?


  197. kateascot
    July 20, 2008 at 10:25 pm

    Democracy Now does report on women in Afghanistan and don’t be so quick to say “mission accomplished in Iraq” Bush said that in 2002 and we’re still there…fighting and dieing……Democracy Now does not “coast on the public dime”, we contribute to public radio and TV because we like (I do anyway) non-commercial radio and TV and the shows that they promote. Commercialized media is always questionable to me….

  198. Anon
    July 20, 2008 at 10:57 pm

    Rose Says: “Did you miss the people risking their lives to vote in the first election where Saddam wouldn’t have a 99% win? Have you missed that women can go to school again in Afghanistan? (snip) Because THOSE stories aren’t covered by “Democracy Now?”

    ▪ Democracy Now, January 31, 2005 “Robert Fisk on Iraq Elections”
    ▪ Democracy Now, April 01, 2005 “Taliban Country: Afghanistan 3 1/2 Years After the U.S. Invasion” Amy Goodman: “We are joined in studio by the co-Director of the Afghan Women”s Mission, Sonali Kolhatkar.”

  199. kateascot
    July 20, 2008 at 11:07 pm

    Rose when was the last time you listened to Democracy Now?

  200. Jane Doe
    July 20, 2008 at 11:39 pm

    Your functional illiteracy is shocking Rose. Several times it has been stated that NPR receives 99% of its funding from viewers and that Democracy Now increased the donations that KHSU receives. Their donations exceeded costs to the point that they had a $100,000 reserve.

    As further evidence of your inablity to read, you somehow got the impression that I didn’t know that there were positive things that happened. Everyone knows about them because that is the ONLY side of the war that the mainstream covered for the first few years of the war. The other side, the negatives like how many innocent Iraqis were killed and tortured and how much corruption (theft of tax dollars) was occurring, were only covered by the alternate media, the Democracy Now type shows which is why you didn’t know about them.

    That someone as ignorant as you knew that Afghani women were allowed to go to school and Iraqi’s vote is proof that the positive side was well covered. It is unnecessary for the alternate media to show that side because we see it virtually everywhere else and THAT was precisely the point of my post above. By the way, the alternate media was doing stories about the oppression of women in the Middle East long before the war started when the mainstream media (and our government) was ignoring it for fear of offending our oil pushers. I’m sure you know that there are still millions of Middle Eastern women who lack any rights and people who will never be allowed to vote because they can never achieve citizenship in countries like Saudi Arabia, Dubai and UIE but we don’t care because they aren’t threatening to sell their oil for currencies other than the dollar.

  201. July 20, 2008 at 11:43 pm

    I for one canceled my membership with KHSU. JPR has replaced what was once my mainstay.

  202. Jane Doe
    July 20, 2008 at 11:48 pm

    Also, Democracy Now! receives no corporate, government or Corporation for Public Broadcasting grants or funding, stating that the independence of their programming would be undermined or otherwise compromised.

    Funding for Democracy Now! is primarily derived from listeners, viewers, and foundations. In 2004, Ford Foundation awarded a grant of US$150,000 “to produce, broadcast and distribute a series of radio, television and Internet reports on the media reform movement in the United States.” From 2001, approximately US$350,000 in grant money was awarded by the Lannan Foundation of the family of former ITT board member J. Peter Lannan.

  203. thorn
    July 20, 2008 at 11:51 pm


    your wish that khsu and other public radio stations should be 100% self-supporting is already well into the process of coming true – the portion of public radio stations’ incomes that come from government subsidies has been steadily dropping for a number of years, and the proportion coming from listener-supporters has been filling in the gap. i’m not sure what the exact figures are for khsu this year, but as i recall the amount provided by khsu members is well more than half and rising every year. so even if nothing were to change, in a few more years, khsu would have been 100% listener-supported. and actually i think that would be far better from a free-speech point of view. as long as someone in government or at the state university system (same thing) holds the purse strings, then censorship is always going to be an issue.

    at the moment we have the perverse situation that the overwhelming amount of funds for operating the station are coming from the public, yet the university is taking this highly interventionist approach to programming decisions, substituting their judgement for the program director (who they have now forced to resign), the community advisory board (who they ignored in this decision) and the volunteer programmers (who have no real say in the leadership of the station). so, we the listeners give the great majority of the money, including for important capital improvements like the new backup generator, but richmond and gunsalas are going to make programming decisions because one out-of-state complainer can’t bear to hear a soldier speak about his experiences in a segment of democracy now?

    so, in a way i do agree with you, if for somewhat different reasons, that we need stations that are not financially supported by the government (and therefore subject to the censorship, whether it is for one ideological view or the other, or just to bland it down to a safe but meaningless middle ground where a story about the shape of the earth will give equal time to all sides – the earth is spherical, the earth is flat, the earth is football shaped – and call that a balanced, objective report).

    so maybe it IS time for khsu, or some new alternative station, to go 100% listener-supported like bridgeport ct’s wpkn did when the moonies bought the university of bridgeport, or perhaps some combination of listener-supporters and local underwriters, like the kmud model.

    if rollins and gunsalas can’t keep their hands off democracy now, perhaps the single-most highly-regarded news program among khsu’s listeners and supporters, then maybe all those listeners and supporters should divert their pledge funds to a “humboldt free speech fund” in order to look at other ways of keeping democracy now on the air in northern humboldt county and up crescent city way, where kmud does not have a signal. in the short term, it may even mean temporarily “buying time” on commercial stations until a we can find space on the radio dial for a more permanent home for truly community-supported radio in these areas.

    Meanwhile, rollins and gunsalas can have their nice little safe jpr-clone npr talking-head/d.c. pundit marathon, with plenty of classical music and inoffensive canned npr content. of course we already have npr on jpr, so the rollins/gunsalas vision of blandification is a one-way ticket to redundancy and therefore obsolescence.

    but at least if we find an alternative to support (whether it’s a “free speech fund,” a new independent station or maybe an expansion of kmud’s focus to more fully include the northern part of the county) we won’t be supporting the blandification with our pledge dollars, while rollins and gunsalas shift the station’s much needed financial reserves into some kind of slush fund for other uses.

  204. Jane Doe
    July 20, 2008 at 11:53 pm

    Democracy Now! and its staff have received dozens of journalism awards, including the Pinnacle Award for American Women in Radio & Television; the George Polk Award for its 1998 radio documentary Drilling and Killing: Chevron and Nigeria’s Oil Dictatorship, on the Chevron Corporation and the deaths of two Nigerian villagers protesting an oil spill; and Goodman with Allan Nairn won Robert F. Kennedy Memorial’s First Prize in International Radio for their 1993 report, Massacre: The Story of East Timor which involved first-hand coverage of genocide in East Timor where Amy Goodman was severely beaten and nearly killed when she stepped between the protesting Timorese and the Indonesian troops in an attempt to prevent the slaughter of the protesters, almost 300 of whom were killed.

    You aren’t worthy to speaking her name, much less a word of criticism Rose.

  205. Jane Doe
    July 20, 2008 at 11:57 pm

    Same here Mike. I already increased my monthly donation to Democracy Now by the amount I am no longer giving to KHSU.

  206. thorn
    July 21, 2008 at 12:07 am

    “moonies” for those unfamiliar with this particular phenomenon, are the lemming-like followers of “reverend” moon, the self-appointed second coming of christ (he literally had himself crowned the son of god) who heads the unification church and owns the right-wing washington times (an imaginative little rag that makes little pretense of having any journalistic scruples, printing anonymous political rumors as if they were fact and transcribing republican press releases more or less verbatim – essentially it’s the national enquirer/weekly world news of politics).

    hmmm, i wonder if richmond’s been invited to join the moonies’ “professors’ world peace academy” yet? i have a feeling he’d fit right in there.

  207. Jane Doe
    July 21, 2008 at 12:09 am

    Rose said above that the only voice she wants broadcast is the voice that corporations are willing to support with their advertising dollars and she isn’t capable of understanding why that isn’t a good idea. Sad, very very sad.

  208. Jane Doe
    July 21, 2008 at 12:13 am

    You should read Robert Parry’s work on Moon, Thorn. His corruption goes way beyond his hit pieces at the Moonie Times. consortiumnews.org

    GASP another award winning journalist who dared to break away from the corporate controlled media (after he broke many of the Iran-Contra stories for them) whose outlet is supported entirely by voluntary contributions from the readers of his site and excellent books.

  209. Anon
    July 21, 2008 at 12:18 am

    thorn says 1 – “as i recall the amount provided by khsu members is well more than half and rising” 2 – “the university is taking this highly interventionist approach to programming decisions, substituting their judgement for the program director (who they have now forced to resign)”

    1 – the income statement on the station website says that over half comes from members plus businesses (not just members)

    2 – no big programming decisions have been made by the university (yet) and the program director and manager are two different people

  210. thorn
    July 21, 2008 at 12:22 am

    which brings me to this question for rose, and other folks who are always so upset about the government support received by public radio stations that may give even an hour a day to programs like democracy now:

    so, how do you feel about rev. moon having tax-exempt status while he operates a relentless republican propaganda machine like the washington times? and for that matter, how do you feel about the bush administration shoveling millions of “faith-based” taxpayer dollars into unification church groups, depite the church’s sordid history of cult-like brainwashing and exploiting young people in poverty conditions while rev. moon got wealty & built a tax free financial empire?

    i agree that public radio would be better off unsubsidized, but i think the same could be said for the right-wing religious machine, including but by no means limited to rev. moon, getting taxpayer dollars for “charity” work while their leaders sit on billions in assets and conduct political work under the cover of religious tax exemptions.

  211. Jane Doe
    July 21, 2008 at 12:26 am

    They are STILL voluntary donations, not taxes Anon.

  212. thorn
    July 21, 2008 at 12:35 am

    jpr refuses to carry democracy now on any of their numerous clone stations.

    so, if your concern is for programs that provide alternative viewpoints that are not often heard in the mainstream media, giving your money to jpr doesn’t make a whole lot of sense.

    i do respect the effort they put into their in-house morning talk show “jefferson exchange,” though sometimes it is so droningly boring that i can’t bear it. but most of their content is just completely canned and totally risk-averse npr and pri programs. it’s kind of sad when the most hard-hitting reporting on your local npr station is from the bbc.

    so jpr is no replacement for a blandified khsu. it’s a vision of what a blandified khsu will most likely sound like. so if you like jpr, mike, i suppose you’ll like khsu more when it sounds more like jpr. to me that’s not an improvement.

  213. thorn
    July 21, 2008 at 12:48 am

    anon 12:18,

    (1) you are correct, i should have said that the majority of funds came not from the government, but from “members and other community supporters,” not just “members.” but the point remains unchanged: the majority of support for the station does not come from government subsidies, the amount of which have been falling year after year. which, again, is just as well from my point of view, as described above.

    (2) correction: no big programming decisions have been *announced* yet. we won’t know if the decisions have already been made, but we unless we think elizabeth is lying about her conversations with gunsalas (and i don’t) we do know which way gunsalas seems to be headed, at least on democracy now. and as long as a decision to cancel democracy now has not yet been announced, then letters in support of it, and making it clear that our next round of pledges will depend on it remaining on the air are tactics that may well succeed in forestalling such an unwise decision by richmond and gunsalas. once a decision has been announced, it will be much harder for them to back down. so the best time for action is now: an ounce of prevention, and all that. the best time to convince someone not to shoot themselves in the foot is before they pull the trigger. etc.

  214. July 21, 2008 at 7:06 am

    Hi Rose,

    The Iraqi Constitution guarantees the Iraqi people the right to adequate health care. That’s the kind of “improvement” that we could use here.

    On the downside, Iraqi women were able to attend universities, teach in schools and walk around with their faces uncovered under Saddam. Under the religious Islamic regime that is sure to follow our departure these rights for women will no longer apply.

    have a peaceful day,

  215. July 21, 2008 at 7:51 am

    Maybe the HSU honcho was just looking ahead and figured once Obama wins, Goodman won’t HAVE a show. Because all of the ills of the world are going to be fixed doncha know. There won’t be any need for her sour rendition of America’s ills anymore. For once she will be able to be proud of her country. Democracy Now’s mission will be over.

  216. Anonymous
    July 21, 2008 at 8:04 am

    Anyone else suffer through another rant from Kevin Hoover on KMUD just now? He was practically foaming at the mouth about those “damned blogs” exposing the shady business up at KHSU. Guess you want to be the only one to control the flow of information, eh Kevin? Well too bad, and performances like this only demonstrate how ill suited you are to run KHSU News. Thank goodness we have the blogs so we don’t just have to rely on the biased propagandistic bullshit which passes for the “news” in the Arcata Eye.

  217. Jane Doe
    July 21, 2008 at 8:08 am

    None of that matters Bill. The important thing is that Iraqis voted and had those purple thumbs to show in order to get their food ration cards. The fact that the roster of candidates was no more democratically chosen than Saddam was matters not. If the US said they were acceptable to the Iraqi people and allowed them on the ballot, what difference does it make? Saddam should have been more subtle with his election fraud and disenfranchised voters who weren’t likely to vote for him by claiming their name was the same as an ex-felon’s or claiming they no longer lived in the district where they were registered. And if all else failed, he could have asked the Baathist majority high court to twist the meaning of law and appoint him. He needed to be removed because he wasn’t who we wanted any more and he was selling oil for Euros which the Iraqi people would surely have opposed had they known about it. Those hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqis would certainly agree with Rose that it was all worth it no matter what their grieving families think.

    What type of government lies to their citizens to justify a pre-emptive war? I don’t think our founders would approve. What type of person would?

  218. Jane Doe
    July 21, 2008 at 8:11 am

    Amy Goodman has high ideals and expects this country to be what it claims to be, the shining example to the world. Democracy Now! was around long before Dubya and will remain so long as its supporters see the need, the likes of Rose and Gunsalas notwithstanding.

  219. Jane Doe
    July 21, 2008 at 8:17 am

    I wasn’t listening 8:04. What exactly did he have to say about it?

  220. tad
    July 21, 2008 at 8:50 am

    Peace be with you

    “Anyone else suffer through another rant from Kevin Hoover on KMUD just now?”

    No. We have volume controls on our radios.

    love eternal

  221. Anonymous
    July 21, 2008 at 8:59 am

    He was practically foaming at the mouth

    I can’t wait for the podcast so we can compare your nuttery with reality.

  222. Miss Manner's Husband
    July 21, 2008 at 9:03 am

    Don’t blame Rollins and Gonsalus, they are deploying “best practices” as defined by main stream corporate reports, analysis, and seminars. Yet the physical isolation and self sufficiency of the Redwood Nation has dampened the impact of modern corporate influence and has us slightly out of sync with most of the country (e.g. election results, no Walmart). Not a bad thing, just more resistant than usually to management prepackaged somewhere else. Hopefully this public response will provide Rollins and Gonsalus some insight although bullies rarely give up unless forced.

  223. July 21, 2008 at 9:03 am

    once Obama wins, Goodman won’t HAVE a show. Because all of the ills of the world are going to be fixed doncha know.

    Suggesting Goodman panders to democrats shows you really don’t know what you’re talking about.

  224. Jane Doe
    July 21, 2008 at 9:12 am

    She has obviously never read, listened or watched a show, H. She stated clearly that she doesn’t believe any view should be broadcast unless it is corporate approved and supported by advertisements. We consumers of alternative news just don’t know what’s best for us. Afterall, everyone knows what’s good for corporations is good for us, right?

    There’s a name for people who think we should all just shut up and toe / tow the corporate / government line….Can you guess what it is?

  225. July 21, 2008 at 9:19 am

    I didn’t say she panders to Democrats, Heraldo. I said that she won’t have any ills to report. Right now it is all “the Bush administration did this, did that” – the Bush administration will be no more. It could be the “Obama administration” and it will all be flowers and butterflies. I don’t think she can do it.

    It has nothing whatsoever to do with any corporations, Jane>

  226. tad
    July 21, 2008 at 9:22 am

    Peace be with you

    Actually DN has been kinda harsh on Obama lately. He has no plan to end Iraq, he is pro nuclear power, he is pro free trade (even taught at the Chicago school), and he has no answers to the current economic mess.

    love eternal

  227. Anonymous
    July 21, 2008 at 9:28 am

    When will the Times-Standard write on this issue? When they got scooped on Friday did they decide to wait until they could interview administrators on Monday? Is it really worth waiting until Tuesday to print “no comment”?

  228. Jane Doe
    July 21, 2008 at 9:31 am

    You can’t even keep your own arguments straight, Rose. Must be that circular logic you are afflicted with.

    On 7/20/2008 at 10:10 pm you said and I QUOTE:

    “If the public wants to hear Democracy Now (or as Aaron correctly identifies it fascism-now and communism-now) then the ratings will show it, and the advertisers will line up to buy ad space on that show.”

    No intelligent person who has actually listened to DN or read anything Amy Goodman has ever written would make a claim that she or DN are supporters of fascism or communism. Giving the facts about Venezuela doesn’t make them supporters of Chavez any more than giving the facts about Dubya make them his supporters. You demonstrate your ignorance here daily but your redeeming grace is that you make it so easy for us to point out the fallacies in your ideology. Thanks.

  229. July 21, 2008 at 9:39 am

    Funny. I think Aaron Antrim is extraordinarily intelligent, Jane.

    It’s whether she’s giving you facts that is questionable. Or is it spin? Or is it a very one-sided set of facts? I’d say the latter, and more power to her. I am not advocating censorship, only that she be required to compete in the real world marketplace along with the other voices from all sides. Not be subsidized by public dollars. She’s big enough now isn’t she? Has enough listeners now, doesn’t she? Is interesting enough to hold her own now isn’t she?

  230. Anonymous
    July 21, 2008 at 9:44 am

    Aaron Antrim was a supporter of “lock ’em up” Lovelace, automatically throwing his intelligence into question, especially as a self-professed “liberal” supporting this authority-loving goon. I call these people eco-fascists, which Aaron should appreciate since he loves throwing that term around whether it applies or not.

  231. Anonymous
    July 21, 2008 at 9:46 am

    Again you demonstrate your inability to read Rose.

    As I posted above, Democracy Now gets ZERO funding from government, corporations or advertisers. ALL of their funding is from voluntary contributions given by people who want to support them directly. Their support is so great they don’t need any subsidies. So why aren’t you cheering rather than continuing to lie about them getting public funds? Are you a pathological liar or functionally illiterate?

  232. tad
    July 21, 2008 at 9:49 am

    Peace be with you Rose

    Democracy Now will never be as big as “commercial” shows, exactly because it’s not “commercial.” Many viewers support DN, and many others support stations that carry DN. But to believe that because DN has many viewers it can compete with warner, or general electric, is wrong. The fact that there is such a difference of versions of global events, shows that there is a need to have independent alternative views. I read the NY Times and I watch Democracy Now and there is a lot of news the times only readers are missing.

    love eternal

  233. Jane Doe
    July 21, 2008 at 9:49 am

    Again you demonstrate your inability to read and comprehend Rose. As stated above several times, Democracy Now gets ZERO PUBLIC FUNDING. ALL of their funding comes from voluntary contributions. ALL OF IT! They accept no government fund, corporate funding or advertisements as to maintain their integrity and independence. Your continued insistence on repeating the lie that they get public funding in spite of the facts shows you are either functionally illiterate or a pathological liar. Which is it?

  234. Jane Doe
    July 21, 2008 at 9:50 am

    Oops, I thought my first post was lost in cyberworld because I forgot to fill in the name field. Sorry.

  235. thorn
    July 21, 2008 at 10:02 am

    rose, democracy now had plenty of material during the clinton years, did you forget that? did you, for example, hear amy goodman’s interview of bill clinton when he called in duriing the bush / gore election in 2000? even the normally media-savvy clinton was sputtering with rage when forced to respond to hard-hitting questions.

    republicans don’t have any monopoly on corruption and disastrous pulic policies. the current crop of the neo-cons is just especially blatant about it.

  236. Jane Doe
    July 21, 2008 at 10:02 am

    As to the DN coverage of Chavez and Venezuela, obviously the corporate line has been widely disseminated since even you know what it is. That you don’t have a clue what the DN coverage was about is obvious. I challenged you yesterday to find any DN story and demonstrate that it was inaccurate or that the other side wasn’t the predominant view in the media negating the need for DN to give that view as well. Did you even try or do you just prefer to throw out smears based on your ignorance of Democracy Now and their news coverage?

  237. Not A Native
    July 21, 2008 at 10:05 am

    Well, when I suggested that earmarked fund raising would be a good way to influence programming decisions, I had in mind a bank account setup similar to public donations to accident victims or people with illnesses. But this would be different because the destinaton of the funds would be conditioned on the decisions of KHSU management.

    And the “donors” would to identify themselves, if they want the option of getting their money returned if DN is cancelled. Within the context here of anonymous bloggers, its difficult for me to imagine it happening because it would be reality not virtual.

    Of course it would require a lot of time by some individual to administer. Whoever did it would have some special “authority” to define the conditions of how the funds would be disbursed and might need to be paid for thier time to help ensure their duties are done. Gee, that sounds like having a manager, just like other collaborative efforts. And there’s an opportunity for collected funds to be mishandled or embezzled. So, while collective efforts are a powerful method to achieve goals, they require some delegation and risk.

    Democracy Now isn’t the only “alternative” or “non mainstream” view news programming available to KHSU. It was selected for airing by KHSU programmers(probably in consultation with their citizen’s committee). Do listeners here feel that KHSU’s airing of DN suffices to meet their wants? I guess I’m asking, how much control over KHSU programming do people feel they need to have?

    I’ll be interested to see if KHSU listeners feel strongly about this situation to take action now. Or if its just grumbling and whining, reflecting an underlying attitude of apathy, resignation, and victimhood from the biblical “powers that be”. If that’s the case and DN is discontinued, then I’ll have to agree that Rose’s criticism of the “progressive” faction has some merit.

  238. Anonymous
    July 21, 2008 at 10:06 am

    Aaron Antrim was a supporter of “lock ‘em up” Lovelace

    Outraged by a web monkey. You are desperate.

  239. Jane Doe
    July 21, 2008 at 10:12 am

    I have already stopped my donations to KHSU and increased my funding to DN by a corresponding amount. The current HSU adminstration has proven it doesn’t give a damn about the concerns of faculty, students and now the community. This was merely the last proverbial straw. My support for KHSU and HSU may resume under a different administration but not the Richmond administration.

  240. Anonymous
    July 21, 2008 at 10:19 am

    I have already stopped my donations to KHSU

    I think most of us give only once a year or every 6 months. How often are those pledge drives? Jane, had KHSU tapped your wallet in realtime?

    I was never a member, but now I’m inclined to throw my support somewhere. I’ll be donating to JPR during its next pledge drive. They have an awesome morning call-in show.

  241. Jane Doe
    July 21, 2008 at 10:23 am

    They have their yearly donation drives but many people give automatically, as i did, on an automatic monthly basis. That is my preferred method of giving to all charities and adds up to more by the end of the year than I could afford to give in a lump sum.

  242. Anonymous
    July 21, 2008 at 10:23 am

    This was merely the last proverbial straw.

    It’s surprising it took you this long to see the light. Same goes for our news media that gave Richmond a honeymoon pass for years and years.

    I don’t expect him to resign/retire until after he’s finished reshaping HSU in his own image. What departments will be closing? What departments will be strengthened? Is someone out-of-touch with the community the right person to be overseeing the reformating of OUR university?

  243. Anonymous
    July 21, 2008 at 10:33 am

    I don’t expect him to resign/retire until after he’s finished reshaping HSU in his own image.

    Then it becomes some new president’s turn to be the breath-of-fresh-air media darling hero for five years until people see past the media hype and realize precisely what they are smelling. By and large, our local journalists have failed us, snoozing as the university is turned into… something else. The same thing happened in the ’70s when it turned its back on science and became a liberal arts college. Outsiders here for short stints should not be making changes that will last 100 years. Or, I should say, last a couple decades until more disastrous changes are needed to “fix” the previous disastrous changes.

  244. Jane Doe
    July 21, 2008 at 10:34 am

    WOW! Doing good sometimes brings unexpected rewards. I got a bonus for increasing my donation to Democracy Now. They are sending me a signed, hard cover copy of Exception to the Rulers which I have been meaning to read. :)

  245. July 21, 2008 at 10:37 am

    Perhaps we should think about exercising more local control over Humboldt State University. Although it is a state institution it’s economic and cultural impact on Humboldt County is huge and the people of Humboldt should have some say in it’s operations.

    have a peaceful day,

  246. Anonymous
    July 21, 2008 at 10:56 am

    exercising more local control over Humboldt State University.

    Good luck. Once you step on state property, it’s like you’ve crossed the border into a different country. If you couldn’t stop a direct community impact like the gates eyesore, you can’t stop something nebulous like which majors are offered.

  247. kateascot
    July 21, 2008 at 11:17 am

    Rose you said that you think that DN! should be “required” to compete in “the real world marketplace”……does anyone else have a problem with that statement? Who determines what is real? By your standards or mine? That statement alone is enough for me to understand you to be very closed minded and full of arrogance….sorry Rose but come on….your views are NOT based on reality! It is your type of logic that makes people in the world hate Americans.

  248. Jane Doe
    July 21, 2008 at 11:24 am

    Rose has made it quite clear that the only voices she thinks should be heard are those funded by advertisements (corporations). Views that people are willing to fund directly have no place in Rose’s world where all media is the hand puppet of business or government. That the corporate agenda may not be in the best interest of citizens doesn’t equate in the “good little German” mindset that Rose and her ilk either can’t or don’t want to escape. She wants the rest of us to be as ill informed and closed minded as she is. When all are blind, the one-eyed man is king.

  249. kateascot
    July 21, 2008 at 11:37 am

    Well Jane that makes sense….if the people are willing to fund a media program then they become dangerous to the regime….after all we Americans have what is supposed to be a people driven government (heavy emphasis on supposed). With corporations advertising and thereby funding programs that they will reap dividends from we will only get information that benefits them with a bit of “alternative views” to spice things up and give an appearance of “fair” reporting….

  250. anon
    July 21, 2008 at 12:27 pm

    khsu website – http://www.khsu.org/cag

    “Community Advisory Group meetings are open to the public and the agenda includes time for listeners in attendance to voice their comments, concerns, or suggestions for the station.

    Next Meeting – Wednesday July 30, 2008, Student Business and Services Building, Room 405”

    They might want to bring a couple extra chairs next week.

  251. Anonymous
    July 21, 2008 at 12:42 pm

    I think that Ms. McCrone and all of the rest of you forget that she is an “at will” employee that can be terminated for any or no reason at any time. She can be terminated at the whim of her employer or because he/she just feels like doing things different. It doesn’t matter if she is doing a stellar job or a bad one.

    I have heard some of you say the same when it comes to government employees, what is different with the HSU?

  252. Jane Doe
    July 21, 2008 at 12:50 pm

    Here we go. That is the same rationale we heard over the not loyal enough AG’s (those who wouldn’t file bogus charges against Democrats) firings who were threatened with smears if they spoke out about why they were fired. That scandal isn’t over yet and neither is the KHSU scandal.

    Censoring political speech at a university is unconscionable. Firing someone for arguing in favor of free speech that the community supports is despicable. We may not have the power to keep them from censoring KHSU but we certainly have the right to air our complaints and withhold our funding.

  253. July 21, 2008 at 1:12 pm

    HSU flat out LIED about this whole instance. kudos for McCrone for busting out a letter of her side.

    HSU flat out LIED, and now when I send my donations to KHSU, they think they can put it in a slushfund? PPFFT, there has to be some legalities here…anyone remember the VP at HSU that was stealing monies and got caught back in 2001?


  254. July 21, 2008 at 1:45 pm

    NO, Jane. Don’t misconstrue it.

    As for Elizabeth – just pretend it is Gallegos who has taken over the station and he wants to clean house – you guys have always been JUST fine with that. Be consistent.

  255. Jane Doe
    July 21, 2008 at 1:56 pm

    I am going to have to do some research. I didn’t know Richmond or Gunsalas were elected to their positions or that McCrone was involved in smearing them publicly and trying to undermine their authority. Did she steal e-mails off someone’s computer and pass them around?

    I knew you would find a way to bring Gallegos into this. You are incapable of logical thought processes, discrimination or perspective. Apples are the same as oranges and there is no difference between bananas and watermelons, all views are equal regardless of accuracy, everything equals everything else in Roseworld.

  256. Anonymous
    July 21, 2008 at 2:05 pm

    Jane: who was dismissed by Gallegos that you are referring to who stole emails and passed them around and from whose computer? What are you referring to?

  257. Jane Doe
  258. Jane Doe
    July 21, 2008 at 2:25 pm

    Rose knows what I was referring to. She knows more about it than anyone other than the person in the DA’s office who stole the e-mails.

  259. Jane Doe
    July 21, 2008 at 2:31 pm

    Did the police question you as to how you acquired those e-mails when they were investigating the burglary of the DA’s office, Rose? Did you lie about having them or where you got them?

  260. July 21, 2008 at 2:41 pm

    Yes, Jane, I most certainly did.

    As to where they came from – it is my belief that it was one of Stoen’s stunts. He liked trying stuff in the press and I think that he believed that those emails made him look reasonable, and not guilty of corruption – because he says in the emails that there was no way the suit could fly and that he would give Ken Miller the bad news. Read up on his history, you will see that he pulled even more outrageous crap than that in the past. The thermostat” incident is probably another of his little, “Oh, Jim has been shot, killed, and risen again” kind of stunts.

  261. Not A Native
    July 21, 2008 at 2:43 pm

    C’mon Rose.

    You need to educate yourself about the “educational” FM channels. The lower 20 channels on the FM band were set aside for “educational” use back in 1945, during the previous “progressive era” heralded by FDR.

    Their use was intended to be different from commercial broadcasts. The stations had different obligations, specifically they were charged to have some informative purpose(as opposed to entertainment or commerce).

    Later, it was interpreted that any “non-profit” entity could qualify so community and religious groups could get licenses.

    By design, the users of these frequencies don’t compete with commercial broadcasters, and they aren’t supposed to be funded through selling commercial messages. Ever notice you don’t hear commercials on these stations? I guess you don’t because you never listen/watch to them, finding FOXNews and O’reilly sufficient for your needs.

  262. Jane Doe
    July 21, 2008 at 2:55 pm

    Did you find them in your trash can Rose? Did they blow in with the wind? Did Stoen or someone else give them to you? The claim that Stoen did it is ludicrous and no one, not even, you believes it.

    I doubt she even understands the infotainment at Faux News, Nan, even though she is exactly the type they target their message to. Engaging Rose in a discussion is sort of like seeing a wreck. The shock of her ignorance and circular logic is appalling but you just have to know how bad it really is. :P

  263. July 21, 2008 at 3:12 pm

    It doesn’t fit with Richard’s conspiracy theory, Jane, but I got copies long after the story was covered in the paper. I referenced them in a letter to the editor pointing out what the reporters had either missed or ignored, that they show Ken Miller in the DA’s Office helping write the suit, and they show Stoen saying the case wouldn’t fly, that he would have to give Ken the bad news, and then coming back a couple of days later saying that he had found a way to make it fly.

    Or so he thought.

    Turns out all the people who tried to tell Miller, Gallegos and Stoen that there was no case were 100% right.

    Dontcha love it?

  264. July 21, 2008 at 3:14 pm

    And, NAN, you’re wrong too, I get all my news from Jon Stewart and YouTube like everyone else. :)

  265. Jane Doe
    July 21, 2008 at 3:26 pm

    Even Jon Stewart does a better job of covering the news than Fox. If Rose really watched it she would be more informed than she appears to be but she wouldn’t get it any more than she gets the majority of the comments on blogs.

  266. Anonymous
    July 21, 2008 at 3:47 pm


    You seem to either be confused or are missing the point completely. If Elizabeth was an at will employee than she could rightfully be terminated because the University wanted nothing at all than to have their station go in a different direction. Yes, they are a state facility, but Elizabeth is not a union employee with any protection. Yes, you can all agree that you dislike the decision to terminate her, but it still was legally acceptable. Elizabeth, as an at will employee, has no different or greater protections than most other employees that are also at will in the private or public sector.

    Now, Rose has a good point too. All she said was that you need to be consistent. If other at will employees can be terminated for no reason on the county government level, state level or federal level, than you seem to be inconsistent with your complaining here.

    So, then you take what is reasonable criticism and start attacking the person who questioned your inconsistency.

    Frankly, I don’t think that there are many left in Humboldt that even buy that “stolen email- burglary” hype other than you. It really was ridiculous then as it is now. Especially since the police could find absolutely no indication that any place was burglarized or that anyone except for Stoen printed and distributed them.

    So, can you answer the question why as an at will employee, Elizabeth should not be subject to termination at will of her employer? Or why as an at will employee, she should have greater protection than others similarly situated as at will employees (either private or governmental.)

  267. Jane Doe
    July 21, 2008 at 3:58 pm

    No one said they were breaking the letter of the law 3:47. They are, however, violating the trust of the donors who were happy with the programming and some of us won’t be contributing any longer and will encourage others to stop also.

    No one said there was a breaking and entry burglary of the DA’s office. That they were never able to prove who stole the e-mails doesn’t mean they weren’t stolen.

  268. Not A Native
    July 21, 2008 at 4:04 pm

    Anon 3:47

    Jane can write for herself but I didn’t read she challenged the HSU administration’s perogatives to dismiss Hans McCrone.

    She challenged their motivation and suspected it was done to censor political speech. Essentially, she condemned HSU upper management for not practicing its declared mission of promoting intellectual inquiry.

  269. Jane Doe
    July 21, 2008 at 4:10 pm

    At will employees, like AG’s can be fired for cause or for no cause but there are some things they can’t be fired for and some of those are for refusing to abuse their positions (as in the case of AG’s) because of their gender, race, age or for whistleblowing, I may be missing some. Firing an untrustworthy person from a confidential position would be for cause but most employers won’t say why someone was fired. Unless there is reason to believe it is being done for an illegal reason like refusal to break the law or whistleblowing, they can be fired at will. That HSU lied about the circumstances behind Hans McCrone’s gives a less than savory flavor to it all, don’t you think?

  270. Jane Doe
    July 21, 2008 at 4:10 pm

    behind Hans McCrone’s *resignation

  271. Anonymous
    July 21, 2008 at 4:18 pm

    Just out of curiosity, you said the AG’s were fired because they refused to abuse their position. What would qualify as abusing their position: going after a perceived enemy for political reasons when there isn’t the evidence? Not going after a perceived friend for political reasons when there is the evidence? I am just trying to figure out what you think is ok and what you think is not ok.

  272. Jane Doe
    July 21, 2008 at 4:19 pm

    If Democracy Now had originated in response to the Bush administration and was focused solely on what’s wrong with the US, you might have a point Rose. However, Democracy Now’s mission is to bring to our attention matters from around the world that aren’t being portrayed in the mainstream media or that is being skewed in a dishonest way, like the war coverage. You do agree that the mainstream media skewed their coverage of the war and the justification for it? With every post you show that you have never read or listened to Democracy Now but are just spewing talking points you have heard that bear no relation to reality. I repeat my challenge that you read an article and come back with your evidence that it is inaccurate. Here:

    Today’s edition headlines

  273. Jane Doe
    July 21, 2008 at 4:24 pm

    Don’t you read the news 4:18? This has even been covered extensively in the mainstream press, at least the newpapers. I don’t watch any television news. A quick check of Fox shows that even they covered it, at least online. I didn’t check to see their slant.

  274. July 21, 2008 at 4:25 pm

    Don’t most employers “lie” about the reasons for termination? In order to leave the person their dignity, avoid denigrating them, put a nice face on it and, any more, if there are negative reasons for a termination, even those cannot be discussed. So many people have left high positions in the media – Keith Easthouse, Glenn Franco Simmons, Charles Winkler, just to name a few on the print side, countless others at all of the radio stations and TV stations around here. Even lower level people like Andrew Bird, who’s no longer with the TS…

    Man, why make a federal case out of it?

  275. Jane Doe
    July 21, 2008 at 4:27 pm

    I have to take that back. All of the stories at Fox on this are AP off the wire stories. But they do tell the sordid tale.

  276. July 21, 2008 at 4:29 pm

    It’s like saying “you look nice in that dress, Jane” even when you don’t. “Jane is leaving to spend more time with her family.” sounds so much better than we fired her ass for insubordination. Or because we didn’t like the way the dress looked. Again, what’s the big, big, big hugendous deal? You want your MTV?

  277. July 21, 2008 at 4:33 pm


  278. Jane Doe
    July 21, 2008 at 4:36 pm

    She didn’t leave voluntarily and they lied about why she left. That fact that it doesn’t concern you should concern you. The fact that they are oTpposed to a stellar news program like Democracy Now concerns me more than who is at the helm of KHSU.

    Here is the story that provoked the complaint and subsequestly led to the discussion of whether Democracy Now should be aired on KHSU. You read it and tell me what is where it is inaccurate or the other side wasn’t already all over the mainstream media and cable night after night after night.


  279. Aiding&Abetting
    July 21, 2008 at 4:37 pm

    Scott Burns, deputy director of the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy was in Humboldt County Tuesday. After going on grow house raids in Eureka with the Humboldt County Drug Task Force, Burns came to Arcata to meet with City and Humboldt State University officials. Arcata Eye Editor Kevin Hoover interviewed Burns at the Arcata Police Department, with the discussion ranging from grow houses and dispensaries to the conflicts between federal, state and local laws regarding medical marijuana, plus the Bush Administration’s drug policies. A transcript of the interview will appear in next week’s Eye, and the recorded interview will air on KHSU 90.5 FM Friday, July 25 during the KHSU Home Page.

  280. Jane Doe
    July 21, 2008 at 4:38 pm

    Can you believe it, Heraldo? I am laughing incredulously at this whole discussion with Rose and Anonymous. surreal

  281. Anonymous
    July 21, 2008 at 4:39 pm

    That Democracy Now report is patriotic. If we ask soldiers to put their lives on the line for us, we shouldn’t be trying to silence them when they have something to say back to us.

    Shame on HSU. Truth is patriotic.

  282. Anonymous
    July 21, 2008 at 4:39 pm

    Yup, Kevin Hoover excels at kissing up to police state, drug warrior goons from the Bush administration, such that even our daily newspapers weren’t quite slanted enough in favor of Big Brother to score this interview. What a moment of pride for the L’Eye.

  283. July 21, 2008 at 4:40 pm

    What do employers lying about the reason for termination have to do with Simmons, Easthouse and Winkler? Well ok, the Winkler thing was a farce.

  284. Jane Doe
    July 21, 2008 at 4:48 pm

    Who wants to guess how many stories Fox has on winter soldiers, including off-the-wire?

  285. Anonymous
    July 21, 2008 at 4:49 pm

    So was Easthouse, formerly of the North Coast Journal (back when they had a pretense of objectivity). He was an excellent journalist…a little bit too ethical for his publisher, evidently, when he exposed the Arcata Eyes involvement in a pay-to-play scandal involving the late Roger Rodoni, the corrupt Bob Ornelas and Kevin Hoover’s penchant for unethical behavior.

    Keith Easthouse ended up leaving Humboldt County with a truck trailer to his name to look for work after Judy Hodgson blackballed him around town. A really sad story, actually, and not the only one involving the fake liberal media around here.

  286. Not A Native
    July 21, 2008 at 4:51 pm

    Rose, you’re seeing the issue as the decision to fire a staff member. Thats just not correct.

    The concerns being expressed here are not about the firing/resignation of Hans McCrone, they’re about how programming decisions are being made at KHSU.

    The harm that people are concerned about is the choice of programming. They are rightfully concerned that the conditions of the firing indicate that the management of KHSU isn’t committed to faithfully discharging their legal obligations to their listeners.

  287. Jane Doe
    July 21, 2008 at 4:53 pm

    Funny, I found a Fox news editorial at NBC about winter soldiers by James Carafano of the Heritage Foundation from 7/18/2008 and this is all he had to say about them,

    “It’s ironic to watch the veterans against the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan trying to mimic the Vietnam era “Winter Soldier” project by allegedly documenting widespread atrocities by U.S. military forces.

    The Vietnam project produced sensational, but highly dubious, results. America’s Army was never the “barbarian horde” that young John Kerry famously claimed it was. Likewise, virtually every one of today’s men and women in uniform serve honorably, as well. Most Americans believe in their soldiers, so a new “Winter Soldier” project will only further distance the movement from mainstream politics.”

  288. anon
    July 21, 2008 at 5:00 pm

    She was not insubordinate to my knowledge. She didn’t play ball, didn’t make programming changes like they wanted, maybe didn’t perform as well as they wanted…whatever. The Admin. is messing with the station, financial fallout is already happening, memberships cancelled, etc. They wanted Dem Now off the air and now are backtracking.

    It all adds up to a badly wounded “public” radio station. Hopefully, it can recover but how?

  289. "The Protester"
    July 21, 2008 at 5:01 pm

    As you all seem to be true believers in biased media, I guess my comments make little difference but I was the “protester” against the three days of hate speech.

    Elizabeth Hans McCrone lied in her email and I have the original discussion to back it up.

    But since her lies serve most of your interests and narrow world view I don’t assume any of you care.

    Democracy Now is really poor journalism. Its just the other side of Bill O’Reily. Would we let KHSU play Bill O’Reily because he would bring in more donations. Is that what Public Radio is about? Or should it be about serving the greater good.

    If its about donations then lets just auction off public radio air time to the highest bidder.

    Many of you only seem to think freedom and liberty are good things when they serve your world view while I believe they should apply to all.

    Must be nice to live in such simplicity.

  290. Jane Doe
    July 21, 2008 at 5:02 pm

    Apparently Mr. Carafano thinks Americans only believe in their soldiers if the soldiers are saying what we want to hear.

    Is the Democracy Now story objectionable and if so, why? Should the mainstream have covered this story? With all the positive coverage for the war, should Democracy Now, out of a sense of fairness, have given the positive war stories equal time or had they already had more than their share?

  291. Jane Doe
    July 21, 2008 at 5:05 pm

    Get specific Protester. Answer my questions above. They were intended for Rose but she never responds to what is asked. How about you? Be prepared to back up your claims with links to sources.

  292. July 21, 2008 at 5:05 pm

    I’ve never heard Amy Goodman tell her guests to “shut up” like Bill O’Reily. To the contrary, I’ve heard several heated debates form opposing sides. Saying DN! is the other side of Orally is just false.

  293. Anonymous
    July 21, 2008 at 5:05 pm

    and I have the original discussion to back it up.

    You just seem to have misplaced it or you would have published it by now. Darn, it’s so easy to lose electronic documents, huh?

  294. Seemless
    July 21, 2008 at 5:06 pm

    “As you all seem to be…”
    Many of you only seem….”

  295. non
    July 21, 2008 at 5:08 pm

    “The Protester” Says: “Elizabeth Hans McCrone lied in her email and I have the original discussion to back it up.”

    What was that lie specifically?

  296. Jane Doe
    July 21, 2008 at 5:08 pm


  297. Jane Doe
    July 21, 2008 at 5:11 pm

    Democracy Now has full transcripts of all their shows, unedited. What you see in an interview is what was actually said, unlikely O’Really’s cut and switch edits.

  298. Quan
    July 21, 2008 at 5:13 pm

    He has nothing to back it up. If you say you have the money, you have to show us the money.


  299. "The Protester"
    July 21, 2008 at 5:14 pm

    I took great offense that I was accused of not believing in Free Speech.

    I just thought 3 days (It was not just one day, it was 3 consecutive days of nasty, hate speech and slander against those that serve and die with not one bit of evidence or investigation) of such extremely poor and biased journalism was uncalled for and the public station that chooses to air the programming should be held accountable.

    I have no interest in making this personal and I certainly never wanted anyone to leave. When I met Elizabeth I liked her and have no reason not to now.

    I found this extreme incident an excellent example to discuss what is “Public Radio” for? Do you run shows (no matter how biased) because you receive more donations for them? I wonder if they run Fundamentalist Religious shows in the bible belt on public radio that assume creationism and the bible’s writings are fact? I could care less if it were a private station but we are talking about serving the public good not what “world view” brings in more contributions.

    The only chance I was given to “reply” was to “call the listener hotline”.

    I have nothing to hide. I stand by freedom and accountability. Special interests are nothing more then that. Left, right, up, down. I don’t care. It’s all self interest and ego.

    Very few care about the greater good or are willing to open their mind enough to try and grasp the reality of things.

  300. Quan
    July 21, 2008 at 5:15 pm

    The Protester, show us the money. If you have the conversation, produce it. Otherwise, spin your web somewhere else.

  301. Anonymous
    July 21, 2008 at 5:16 pm

    It was 3 consecutive days of honoring those whom we’ve asked to serve in the military. Revealing and discussing the reality of the situation is not disrespectful. It honors their sacrifice. Ask ANY military family.

  302. Irony
    July 21, 2008 at 5:17 pm

    “those that serve and die with not one bit of evidence or investigation”

    Apt grammatical error.

  303. "The Protester"
    July 21, 2008 at 5:18 pm


    I just saw all your posts over the last few minutes.

    Is that the best you can do?
    Where it the discussion on good journalism and honest discussion over special interest rhetoric.

    If you don’t see DN for what it is then there is no point. You are no better then the right wingers you spend so much time writing about.

    Blog on folks.

  304. RoseColoredGlasses
    July 21, 2008 at 5:21 pm

    “If you don’t see DN for what it is then there is no point.”

  305. Jane Doe
    July 21, 2008 at 5:26 pm

    Which of those winter soldier’s voices wasn’t worthy of being heard, Protester? There were 4 days of testimony and less than 3 hours of broadcasting of their stories on Democracy Now. How many hours of inaccurate and downright deceitful happy war reporting have we had to endure?

    That you were insulted by her saying you didn’t support free speech doesn’t mean that she lied. You are deceiving yourself about your belief in free speech. You support free speech you agree with and oppose that which you don’t as you have made quite clear. Calling speech you disagree with “hate speech” doesn’t justify it’s censorship.

  306. "The Protester"
    July 21, 2008 at 5:27 pm

    Like I said:

    Where is the discussion on good journalism and honest public discussion over special interest rhetoric?

    Even now you only see what you want.

  307. Jane Doe
    July 21, 2008 at 5:29 pm

    Hell, I saw more than 3 hours just on Jessica whatsher name BEFORE the scandal about it all being set up and fake. Patrick Tilghman, same thing. Of course we all know now how accurate that all was.

  308. Jane Doe
    July 21, 2008 at 5:30 pm

    I asked you specific questions on the winter soldiers story way back up there and you have still not attempted to answer.

  309. July 21, 2008 at 5:32 pm

    The REALLY funny thing is – when I first saw the topic of this post, I figured Elizabeth was let go for exactly the opposite reason you all assume. Because she is known to have tried to be fair. to allow both sides – even got rid of Jamie Flower, or so I was told. I thought she was doing a pretty damn good job.

    The whole thing is incredibly humorous.

    Also, Keith Easthouse is still here. And I’ve never heard anyone at the Journal badmouth him in any way shape or form. They defend him actually.

  310. "The Protester"
    July 21, 2008 at 5:32 pm

    Jane seems to only have the capacity to see things in black and white.

    Two wrongs do not make a right.

    Both biased sides are wrong is the point. I don’t support either but I especially don’t support our public radio being hijacked by special interests to push whatever agenda they choose, left or right.

    Jane feels we need more biased media to counter other biased media I feel we need to move toward real media.

    We shall agree to disagree.

  311. Jane Doe
    July 21, 2008 at 5:34 pm

    Back up at 5:02 Protester. I can’t get copy paste to work here.

  312. Not A Native
    July 21, 2008 at 5:35 pm

    Gee prostester,

    you want YOUR opinion(and presumably contributions) to influence the programming. But you see no problem stymieing someone else’s opinion(and presumably contributions) to influence programming. I’d call that somewhat tyranical.

    Unless that show was staged or the people speaking were paid to lie or they misrepresented their military service, I’d say their impressions of their Iraq experiences are legitimate subjects for the media. Theirs aren’t the only opinions but their opinions are theirs to offer up.

    Choosing whose opinion to air is a journalistic decision and a journalist’s credibility depends on those choices. One purpose of public radio is to promote journalistic choices that aren’t possible or likely within commercial broadcasting. So, if you’re shocked by an unexpected opinion or viewpoint, thats part of what public radio is intended to offer IMHO.

  313. Jane Doe
    July 21, 2008 at 5:35 pm

    You still haven’t given a single example of bias in that story Protester. What was biased about reporting what soldiers said about their experiences? Again, which voices would you have censored to fit 4 days of testimony into 1 hour? Where is it inaccurate? SPECIFICS.

  314. Jane Doe
    July 21, 2008 at 5:37 pm

    That the whole winter soldier testimony was ignored by the mainstream media has been shown and since no one has found any evidence to the contrary, is that a point we can agree on?

  315. July 21, 2008 at 5:37 pm

    It seemed Keith Easthouse was in Redding for a while working for the Record Searchlight. I heard he’s back in Humboldt but must not be working for the media. Or if he is it isn’t obvious.

  316. tad
    July 21, 2008 at 5:42 pm

    Peace be with you

    I watched the week that DN had the winter soldiers on. I found those brave soldiers creditable and sincere. March 14, March 17, March 18, March 19. You can read all the transcripts there.

    love eternal

  317. Anonymous
    July 21, 2008 at 5:46 pm

    Why do you entertain Protester when he makes wild claims he can’t back up? Don’t say you have evidence if you can’t produce it when your fantasy is called out.

  318. Jane Doe
    July 21, 2008 at 5:50 pm

    Protester is serving the same purpose as Rose, in this case allowing us to demonstrate the bankruptcy of their beliefs about the media, censorship and the oft repeated lies about public broadcasting. You don’t think I would waste my time trying to actually change their minds, do you? :P

  319. "The Protester"
    July 21, 2008 at 5:50 pm

    Good point.

    My ideas about freedom and honest journalism are stupid.

    I will leave you to your deep discussions, obviously your world view is the only truth.

    Evidence of misrepresentation and libel would mean nothing if it did not support your view.

    All the best,

    Stupid Protester

  320. Jane Doe
    July 21, 2008 at 5:55 pm

    He isn’t even a resolute protester, just cuts and runs and I haven’t even gotten out the fire hoses yet. :P

  321. non
    July 21, 2008 at 6:04 pm

    “The Protester” Says: “Evidence of misrepresentation and libel would mean nothing if it did not support your view.”

    It’s really quite simple. If what you say is real, just say what it is.

  322. July 21, 2008 at 6:07 pm

    “It’s like saying ‘you look nice in that dress, Jane’ even when you don’t.”

    Rose is dead wrong here. She compares an official statement from HSU with everyday pleasantries.

  323. July 21, 2008 at 6:08 pm

    Y’all seem to be ignoring the possibility that KHSU is being responsive to the listening audience. MAYBE they’ve been getting complaints about being too skewed to the left. MAYBE the listeners would like to see some balance. It’s certainly a possibility.

    Y’all seem to be so concerned about censorship, but so ready to practice censorship in getting rid of voices you don’t like.

  324. Jane Doe
    July 21, 2008 at 6:10 pm

    She’s made a full circle and starting on the 2nd lap and all without even acknowledging challenges to cite specifics. Too funny!

  325. Not A Native
    July 21, 2008 at 6:12 pm

    Maybe the sun orbits the earth. Maybe the King James Bible is the inerrant word of God. Maybe Rose is a genius masquerading as an idiot.

  326. Jane Doe
    July 21, 2008 at 6:17 pm

    Which voices exactly are we wanting to get rid of? I must not have gotten the memo. The last one just said that Rose, et al wanted Democracy Now to STFU until they had corporate sponsorship.

  327. July 21, 2008 at 6:18 pm

    “Y’all seem to be ignoring the possibility that KHSU is being responsive to the listening audience.”

    Rose appears to have been spending time in Texas. Beyond that, she seems to be unaware that Democracy Now attracts more donations than any other program on KHSU. I thought that she wanted these programs to pay for themselves.

  328. Jane Doe
    July 21, 2008 at 6:21 pm

    She is completely lacking perspective CPR. She demonstrates that on a daily basis.

  329. "The Protester"
    July 21, 2008 at 6:24 pm

    It’s not cutting and running.

    There is no discussion here. You just shout your narrow minded views and shut everyone else out or insult them…..

    Sounds like a few other media outlets I know.

    I was silly enough to think perhaps you might want to engage in real discussion but that was poor judgement on my part.

    Keep shouting its easier then thinking.

  330. Anonymous
    July 21, 2008 at 6:29 pm


    I think you’re misapplying what the complaints about KHSU were concerning. I’ve made repeated complaints to KHSU about the sheer stupidity on display every week on Thursday Night Talk, which has gone into the toilet since they dumped Jamie Flower in favor of political hack Rob Amerman and total scam artist David Cobb. It’s not about politics, it’s about good taste and decency, which Amerman and Cobb lack entirely. I like Democracy Now (even if I don’t always agree with them), but that doesn’t mean I like Cobb’s bullshit. There are far more talented people, and REAL LOCAL PEOPLE to boot (not Texas dirtbags) who would do a wonderful job with the show. What about Dave Silverbrand, their old news director?

  331. Jane Doe
    July 21, 2008 at 6:30 pm

    And yet you, like Rose, still haven’t responded to the challenge to give specifics or answer any of the relevant and pointed questions regarding the winter soldier series that you found so offensive. What exactly offended you? Did you think it was inaccurate? What was biased about a series of soldier’s giving first hand accounts of their experiences in Iraq? Did the mainstream media give it any coverage? What about the opposing view? Have there been positive war stories in the mainstream news? It is you who is refusing to have a discussion, not the opposing side. It is starting to sound like all you want to hear is “you are right, we are wrong” and any thing other than that is refusal to discuss.

  332. Jane Doe
    July 21, 2008 at 6:33 pm

    By the way, your posts and everyone else’s are here. How in the hell can someone “shout or shut out” other views on a blog? That you aren’t capable of logically defending your ideas is apparent.

  333. Not A Native
    July 21, 2008 at 6:36 pm


    No one is shouting That would be ALL CAPS. You’ve made several claims here and haven’t given any cause to be believed. That’s exactly the problem you have with the Winter Soldier show. But it seems your unsubstantiated claims are “truth” while the soldier’s personal anecdotes are patently unacceptable for broadcast.

    At least we know the names of the soldiers and can verify some of the objective parts of their statements. What do you offer that has even that degree of credibility and verifyability(sic)?

  334. Anonymous
    July 21, 2008 at 6:58 pm

    Trying to convince Rose of the war crimes in Iraq and the mistreatment of our soldiers (and theirs) is a waste of all of our time. Ostriches don’t want to learn, they just want to hide their heads in the sands of ignorance. Let her be ignorant, and let’s get back to the real issue here, KHSU.

    On that subject, I want to second Thorn’s suggestion of a free speech fund to provide seed money for a new station. I hope someone can come up with a meeting spot soon, rather than let corrupt HSU administrators make the next move.

  335. Anonymous
    July 21, 2008 at 6:59 pm

    He sure sounds like a coward taking pot shots with made-up stories and/or delusions. If he had a shred of evidence, I think we would all welcome seeing it. Classic troll.

  336. Jane Doe
    July 21, 2008 at 7:21 pm

    My comments aren’t posting at This Guy’s a Genius.

  337. July 21, 2008 at 8:06 pm

    They’re up now.

    Quickest way to let alert me to comment problems is via email.

  338. kateascot
    July 21, 2008 at 9:45 pm

    I researched a bit of history and discovered that KHSU is the first state college radio station. They used to be an academic dept. but in 1999 changed to be part of the Office of Community relations. So now I’m wondering if the station is being used to show the world that HSU is not liberal and the “High Times” image is not true any longer.

  339. Anonymous
    July 21, 2008 at 10:26 pm

    KHSU used to be the student radio station, then the same yuppie establishment making Arcata such a chilly place these days took it over in the late 80s and kicked the kids out in favor of classical music and NPR. The students are relegated to KRFH, which has no signal to speak of, and only a presence on a website with no promo budget and a few piped in spots like the weight room and the cafeteria.

    The administration fucking up KHSU is nothing new folks. It’s just the fake liberals who are next to feel the pain by losing their pet shows. But they wouldn’t stand up for the students in the first place, so screw ’em, they get what they deserve for their short-sightedness.

  340. bobo the doggerel
    July 21, 2008 at 10:30 pm


    You are a high-minded good man. Even though I’ve heard you threatened KHSU, told them you’d contact all thie big underwriters to get them to cancel their contracts because the station airs Dem. Now and programs like Winter Soldier.

    Is that fair, to threaten a public station financially, to basically to hold them hostage because you don’t agree with the programming? I guess it’s fine because you are smarter than the rest of us serfs. A tip of the old highball to you!

    Love and happiness….

  341. kateascot
    July 21, 2008 at 10:56 pm

    Yeah it’s been hard watching what HSU has done to their students and twice as hard to see what has become of Arcata because of the yuppie mentality who wanted to blend in with the establishment and “change it from within”…yeah that was a bad trip!
    So much promise at HSU, but there’s not enough people with the guts to stand up to the corruption. Students are transitory so it will take the community to put the pressure on the Admin. to be above board and cease and desist.

    I know that all dogs have their day and I’m anxious to see them have theirs along with Arcata.

  342. Anonymous
    July 22, 2008 at 6:07 am

    Corruption or just a conflict in politics?

  343. Jane Doe
    July 22, 2008 at 6:54 am

    We have to feel sorry for people like Protester. He is like a child who when he doesn’t want to hear something he covers his ears and yells I CAN’T HEAR YOU as if that will change anything. Unfortunately, he doesn’t want anyone else to hear it either. There are people like that. Of course, he could be one of those people who love war so much they worry negative stories might dampen the war fever and end the war, but he doesn’t seem to have the intellect to even be a war profiteer so I suspect he is of the childish variety.

  344. Post Toasted
    July 22, 2008 at 10:14 am

    This post, KHSU Gen. Manager forced out, no longer shows on the home page.
    The link appears in the ‘Today’s Most Read’ sidebar.

    WordPress at ‘fault’?

  345. Anonymous
    July 22, 2008 at 10:38 am

    The Texans took our timber along with the well-deserved good will that Pacific Lumber had earned over the years (it was a hostile takover). They had to cut a lot of timber fast, to pay off their hostile-takeover loans. If unsustainable cutting meant the jobs would soon disappear, too bad for Humboldt County.

    Now similar “true believers” in corporate power want to take our independent or (semi-independent) local institutions. Community radio is a great place to start. If that means that Humboldt County becomes indistinguishable from the suburbs of Houston, too bad for Humboldt County.

  346. July 22, 2008 at 10:53 am

    This post, KHSU Gen. Manager forced out, no longer shows on the home page.
    The link appears in the ‘Today’s Most Read’ sidebar.

    WordPress at ‘fault’?

    It’s still on the front page, but will get pushed off as more posts are added.

  347. Easily Distracted
    July 22, 2008 at 10:57 am

    “The Protester” said “I have nothing to hide. I stand by freedom and accountability.”

    Nobody else found it utterly hilarious that someone posting under a pseudonym would claim to have nothing to hide and an appreciation for accountability?

  348. Anonymous
    July 22, 2008 at 11:16 am

    Or hilarious that he makes wild claims with zero supporting evidence.

  349. Anonymous
    July 22, 2008 at 11:47 am

    I am so disappointed reading all of this.

    Most of you folks are close minded and refuse to moderate at all and discuss things rationally. I guess that is the pitful of posting without using your real names.

    This blog and the posts connected to it show really how fucked up and hateful this community has become. It is a crying shame and an embarrassment.

  350. Anonymous
    July 22, 2008 at 11:49 am

    typo – that should be “pitfall.”

  351. Anonymous
    July 22, 2008 at 11:55 am

    It is a crying shame and an embarrassment.

    Yes, the soiling of KHSU and its programs and the departure of its general manager is a shame. We agree.

  352. Jane Doe
    July 22, 2008 at 12:13 pm

    I tried repeatedly to get the anti-Democracy Now people (Rose and Protester) to discuss the issue, asked pointed questions as a basis for discussion but they refused to even acknowledge the questions much less respond to them. It is sad that people stir up so much shit in a community and refuse to have a reasonable discussion all the while complaining that no one would discuss it with them. It is bizarre but expected from people ruled by circular logic.

  353. thorn
    July 22, 2008 at 12:16 pm

    yes of course, why didn’t i see it before: objecting to the possibility that HSU’s administration will muzzle free speech by canceling democracy now and forcing ms. hans mccrone to resign for defending it – yes, that is obviously just SO fucked up, and SO hateful. thanks for setting us straight.


  354. Anonymous
    July 22, 2008 at 12:19 pm

    Again, you fail to see the forest for the trees. If folks don’t fall in line and do the duck step with you, then they are the anti-christ. As I said, shameful.

  355. thorn
    July 22, 2008 at 12:19 pm


    a lot of times its more like “pretzel logic.”

  356. Jane Doe
    July 22, 2008 at 12:21 pm

    Doesn’t matter what its called, it still takes them in illogical circles and back to where they started. :P

  357. Anonymous
    July 22, 2008 at 12:22 pm

    KMUD (88.3FM) is a much better station anyway.

  358. Anonymous
    July 22, 2008 at 12:23 pm

    Don’t forget that Rose Welsh was a founder of the North Coast Journal.

  359. Jane Doe
    July 22, 2008 at 12:26 pm

    Do you think the anonymous complaining today about the shameful lack of discussion is Protester? Sure sounds like him.

  360. Anonymous
    July 22, 2008 at 12:50 pm

    This is just another example of mismanagement currently occuring on the HSU campus – good for Elizabeth for speaking out. There is so much waste and poor decisions happening in regards to new and renovated buildings – perfectly good furniture being replaced because it’s the wrong shade (oops, it’s oak – management wants maple instead); the wants and needs of faculty for their classrooms, labs, and offices being totally ignored because the new “interior architect” knows better; fancy landscaping (and grass and SoCal-style plants!) going in where it will be torn out in a few years. The gates were nothing compared to what’s going on now. Our tax dollars are being wasted on cosmetics while quality faculty leave, class sizes increase, and the library goes without new books for a 5th year.

  361. Oooops
    July 22, 2008 at 12:51 pm

    It’s still on the front page, but will get pushed off as more posts are added.


  362. Pratfall
    July 22, 2008 at 12:55 pm

    “I guess that is the pitful of posting without using your real names.”

    The loony doth protest too much, methinks.

  363. Anonymous
    July 22, 2008 at 1:34 pm

    Perhaps you should all go back to school and read that liberalism is supposed to be tolerant, embracing the many and not the few. No folks, I am not “protester,” I am just sickened by your lack of respect and tolerance for those that have different opinions than yours. You guys really think that your are always right and those that disagree with you are always wrong? Me thinkest that you censor those who disagree with you and are acting childish and hypocritical. Hope that changes, but am not anticipating that it will.

    And Thorn, you and I agree on many issues. Not Jane however. She is too inflexible and opinionated. Must suck being so stuck on yourself that you can’t have a disagreement with others without resorting to name-calling. Back to work folks – see you tonight.

  364. Jane Doe
    July 22, 2008 at 1:44 pm

    1:34, why don’t you attempt to respond to my repeated questions above. Your claim that no one will discuss sounds just like Protester who was ignoring all attempts at discussion and repeating his same charges, just like you are doing.

    What is unfair about Democracy Now’s coverage of any story? One hour a day of Democracy Now presenting the other side of the stories that the multiple and 24 hour a day mainstream and cable news programs cover seems to be pretty reasonable. What in particular was unfair about presenting the stories of the winter soldiers. If you think 3 hours of their stories were too much, whose would you have cut? Do you think 3 hours of their stories overwhelmed the years of 24 / 7 positive stories about the war on all of the networks and cable news? Do you think the mainstream should have covered their testimony? Or do you think we shouldn’t get anything but the corporate / government news like Rose?

    I am betting you don’t bother to actually respond, will just post more claims that no one will discuss the issue.

  365. Anonymous
    July 22, 2008 at 1:58 pm

    why don’t you attempt to respond to my repeated questions above.

    It’s classic PR deflection. Stay on message, even if that means ignoring what everyone in the room is saying to you. He’s plastic.

  366. Identical Cousins
    July 22, 2008 at 2:12 pm

    Do you think the anonymous complaining today about the shameful lack of discussion is Protester? Sure sounds like him.

    Protester: “Must be nice to live in such simplicity.”
    Anonymous complaining:
    ” Must suck being so stuck on yourself…”

    Protester: “As you all seem to be…”
    Anonymous complaining:
    “Perhaps you should all go back to school…”

    Protester: “Blog on folks.”
    Anonymous complaining: “Back to work folks…”

  367. Anonymous
    July 22, 2008 at 2:16 pm

    I actually think that KHUM is doing a great job blending commercial with community. I see them as a community radio station. Look what they did during the fires and Feds stories. They were the ones that had the most up to the minute info. KMUD was just dismal repeating STALE info. KHSU was pretty much silent.

    I don’t know how KHUM would do upholding anti-censorship values since they are commercial, But KMUD and KHSU have failed our community on that level.

  368. Anonymous
    July 22, 2008 at 5:10 pm

    2:12 – omg I am lol.

    Evidently you are a conspiracy theorist.

    “back to work folk” was followed by see you tonight. That meant not for you to go back to work, but that I had to and would check back later.

    2:12 – it is ok, you will be just find WHEN YOU QUIT SEEING SPOOKS AROUND EVERY CORNER.

    Sorry I am not the other guy (protester), but there is really nothing that I can do to change my identity. Live long and prosper brother.

  369. Anonymous
    July 22, 2008 at 5:14 pm

    KHUM totally sucks, don’t even get me started. If they were so dedicated to the “community” they’d set aside a half hour every day for a local news show, just like KMUD does. But greedy stockbroker scum like Pat Cleary don’t give a shit what the community really needs so long as they keep the profit margin sky high. Pathetic for Mike Dronkers (or Jon Matthews, or whoever their blog troll for the day is) to be posting their propaganda here.

  370. Anonymous
    July 22, 2008 at 5:27 pm

    there is really nothing that I can do to change my identity.

    You can register an account as wordpress.com and post consistently under an identity. It doesn’t guarantee you’re not a lying troll, but it’s a start.

  371. Anonymous
    July 22, 2008 at 5:49 pm

    Anonymous complaining about the anonymity of another anonymous. Talk about lame. Let’s stick to the subject, little boys.

  372. Anonymous
    July 22, 2008 at 5:56 pm

    Talk about lame

    True if you had the facts straight. I’m 5:27 and I wasn’t complaining. I don’t give a rat’s ass whether he registers an account. I was merely correcting his false statement about his options.

  373. July 22, 2008 at 6:13 pm

    Yeah it’s been hard watching what HSU has done to their students… says Kate.

    Yeah. It’s really awful. They’ve been trying to educate them so that they don’t have to come crawling into kate’s non-existent taxpayer funded containment camp.

    Education is a gift our society gives to every single person, kate. Nobody does anything to you. You get out of it what you put into it, and what you can get out of it is a good career. And nobody demands anything back from you for it.

    It is the ultimate pay-it-forward deal.

    It’s just a shame you can’t grok that.

  374. July 22, 2008 at 6:16 pm

    Education is not a gift, it is a right of everyone. We need to get back to the idea of a free, full PUBLIC education for anyone who wants one. K-12 and college and university too.

    The idea of young people graduating from college tens of thousands of dollars in debt is ABSURD. Let’s fix this ASAP and then move on to harder problems.

    have a peaceful day,

  375. July 22, 2008 at 6:26 pm

    A right? Not exactly. If you think back, in the old days the townspeople would hire a schoolteacher – all grades would be taught in a one-room schoolhouse. As towns grew, and the practice turned into a bureaucracy, still the populace chose to provide that gift to all children. Paid for by all people, whether they have kids or not.

    That’s the means by which your ‘right’ exists, Bill. In theory, taxpayer funded education could be revoked. It is a gift. Given freely by society, up to 12th grade. And subsidized to some degree after that.

  376. tad
    July 22, 2008 at 6:52 pm

    Peace be with you Rose

    “Grok;” I like that! That’s one of my favorite books. Schools won’t be revoked. Be on time, assignments completed, pencle sharp, and ready to work, are all they teach you in schools, and all they want you to learn. It takes 12 years to program “good citizens” as Reagan put it. It is a minimal cost of doing busyness.

    Home school until you are ready to pass the GED, enroll in college and go as long as you can for free. Then quit and start really learning something.

    love eternal

  377. Anonymous
    July 22, 2008 at 7:12 pm


    How does it further the “education” of students to take all the radio station time away from them on the “real” station, KHSU, just to give them a mickey mouse pretend station that nobody hears and nobody cares about? I’m not clear on where that fits in with providing young people real world experience.

  378. July 22, 2008 at 7:16 pm

    Program? Tad? That’s spin, sir.

    The trouble with homeschooling is – well, there are several problems. 1. Kids – people – are motivated by others in ways they cannot be motivated by parents who are a known quantity. You rob your kids of that wealth of personality and knowledge and mentoring. 2. There’s more to school than just the curriculum. There’s learning to be around and work with others, how to deal with different personalities, and again, there’s the motivation and inspiration that comes from a shared experience, that’s invaluable. 3. College is a big pond, and if you jump into it from a thimble, you’re in for even more of a shock than those who come from a small pond. It works well for alot of people, but only if they find ways to overcome those drawbacks.

  379. tad
    July 22, 2008 at 7:28 pm

    Peace be with you Rose

    I am pretty sure you were raised in a different era then we have today, but still you listed “work with others” as one of the “subjects” school is supposed to teach you. I know you will not read this, but here is THE TYRANNY OF COMPULSORY SCHOOLING by John Taylor Gatto.

    I meet products of our “free school” system everyday, were in big trouble. I have personally know both schooled and home-schooled adults, and there is no comparison. No matter how bad a parent is as a teacher they’re better then the dumbing down of the public school system.

    love eternal

  380. July 22, 2008 at 7:33 pm

    It’s too complicated to address here in little soundbites, Tad.

  381. Anonymous
    July 22, 2008 at 10:41 pm

    Rose, I didn’t see you linking any audio files in this thread.

  382. Anonymous
    July 23, 2008 at 12:30 am

    The Eureka Reporter has a doom and gloom scenario today. It makes it sure sound like selling the station is a real possibility. I believe I’d have to close my life membership in the alumni association a bit prematurely. Who are these guys running/ruining our school?

  383. Anonymous
    July 23, 2008 at 1:35 am

    Is the TS reporting on this? I haven’t seen anything.

  384. Anon
    July 23, 2008 at 1:47 am

    I don’t think so. In the reporter article the former staff member is identified as “an administrator from 2001-2007” which is not correct.

  385. Anonymous
    July 23, 2008 at 1:50 am

    What is correct?

  386. Anon
    July 23, 2008 at 2:06 am

    Sorry, I should have been more specific. Dates are correct, but his position was on-air and technical, not administration.

  387. Anonymous
    July 23, 2008 at 7:45 am

    So what do we have to do to get the TS to take this news seriously? Will it run letters to the editor that decry news that hasn’t appeared in its pages? Is there a potential motive for the paper to bury this news?

  388. Stranger Things
    July 23, 2008 at 10:08 am

    “Grok;” I like that! That’s one of my favorite books.

    “Grok” is one of your favourite books? Who wrote that one?


    Starship Stormtroopers by Michael Moorcock
    There are still a few things which bring a naive sense of shocked astonishment to me whenever I experience them — a church service in which the rituals of Dark Age superstition are performed without any apparent sense of incongruity in the participants — a fat Soviet bureaucrat pontificating about bourgeois decadence — a radical singing the praises of Robert Heinlein. If I were sitting in a tube train and all the people opposite me were reading Mein Kampf with obvious enjoyment and approval it probably wouldn’t disturb me much more than if they were reading Heinlein, Tolkein or Richard Adams. All this visionary fiction seems to me to have a great deal in common. Utopian fiction has been predominantly reactionary in one form or another (as well as being predominantly dull) since it began. Most of it warns the world of ‘decadence’ in its contemporaries and the alternatives are usually authoritarian and sweeping — not to say simple-minded. A look at the books on sale to Cienfuegos customers shows the same old list of Lovecraft and Rand, Heinlein and Niven, beloved of so many people who would be horrified to be accused of subscribing to the Daily Telegraph or belonging to the Monday Club and yet are reading with every sign of satisfaction views by writers who would make Telegraph editorials look like the work of Bakunin and Monday Club members sound like spokesmen for the Paris Commune.”

  389. Stranger Things
    July 23, 2008 at 10:52 am

    “Grok;” I like that! That’s one of my favorite books.

    Grok this:

    Starship Stormtroopers by Michael Moorcock
    “There are still a few things which bring a naive sense of shocked astonishment to me whenever I experience them — a church service in which the rituals of Dark Age superstition are performed without any apparent sense of incongruity in the participants — a fat Soviet bureaucrat pontificating about bourgeois decadence — a radical singing the praises of Robert Heinlein. If I were sitting in a tube train and all the people opposite me were reading Mein Kampf with obvious enjoyment and approval it probably wouldn’t disturb me much more than if they were reading Heinlein, Tolkein or Richard Adams. All this visionary fiction seems to me to have a great deal in common. Utopian fiction has been predominantly reactionary in one form or another (as well as being predominantly dull) since it began. Most of it warns the world of ‘decadence’ in its contemporaries and the alternatives are usually authoritarian and sweeping — not to say simple-minded. A look at the books on sale to Cienfuegos customers shows the same old list of Lovecraft and Rand, Heinlein and Niven, beloved of so many people who would be horrified to be accused of subscribing to the Daily Telegraph or belonging to the Monday Club and yet are reading with every sign of satisfaction views by writers who would make Telegraph editorials look like the work of Bakunin and Monday Club members sound like spokesmen for the Paris Commune.

    The heroes of Heinlein and Ayn Rand are forever competent, forever right: they are oracles and protectors, magic parents (so long as we obey their rules). They are prepared to accept the responsibilities we would rather not bear. They are ‘leaders’. Traditional sf is hero fiction on a huge scale, but it is only when it poses as a fiction of ideas that it becomes completely pernicious. At its most spectacular it gives us Charlie Manson and Scientology (invented by the sf writer Ron Hubbard and an authoritarian system to rival the Pope’s). To enjoy it is one thing. To claim it as ‘radical’ is quite another. It is rather unimaginative; it is usually badly written; its characters are ciphers; its propaganda is simple-minded and conservative — good old-fashioned opium which might be specifically designed for dealing with the potential revolutionary.

  390. Anonymous
    July 23, 2008 at 11:14 am

    Thank you for that tangent. Now let’s return to figuring out why the TS acts as if it can single-handedly perform a media blackout. None of its competitors drank that Kool-Aid.

  391. My Name
    July 23, 2008 at 11:52 am

    A related story to the recent KHSU / HSU tensions-

    In a matter of days the California Public Radio stations are convening their summer meeting; one of the principal issues is introduction of what is something like a Magna Carta for university-owned stations, worked out by some of the best stations and universities in America.

    Click to access University%20Tenets%20of%20Public%20Radio%20Station%20Ownership%20&%20Operation%20USA%2004%202008.pdf

  392. Anonymous
    July 23, 2008 at 12:08 pm

    Wow, right there in that document, first sentence even bolded:

    The integrity of station membership data base should not be compromised. The station is bound by law to prohibit other entities from using its membership data base. Sometimes a university may have a “dual” relationship with a contributor. If this is the case, the university should not use the station’s call letters
    to assist with mail solicitations for other university departments or projects.”

  393. thorn
    July 23, 2008 at 12:13 pm

    from the ER article:

    “As for ‘fully committed,’ a June 26 memo from Gunsalus to departing Station Manager Elizabeth Hans McCrone announced a ‘final decision’ to cut HSU’s financial support of the station roughly $20,000 to $160,000 next year.”

    ‘You can expect additional budget reductions in future years of approximately $20,000 per year,’ he wrote.”

    so it seems that the gunsalas / richmond plan, even before the “forced resignation” is for the station to be completely cut off from university funding in 8 years.

    now that alone i don’t have a problem with. as i stated above, i feel that 100% listener-supported would be the best eventual outcome.

    but then the obvious question is: do gunsalas and richmond really expect to maintain programmatic, management, and editorial control over a station that the university provides little or no funding for?

    they can’t have it both ways – if they expect the listener-supporters to foot the whole bill, then they can’t reasonably expect that hsu administrators can continue to make hiring and firing decisions, and decisions about what programs to run or cancel (like democracy now).

    and if they are planning on withdrawing all hsu funding from khsu and having it be completely self-supporting, then the LAST thing they should be doing is taking over it’s donor base and membership services. khsu’s internal ability to raise funds and conduct its own affairs should be *increased* not decreased, if the university is backing off on its funding.

    all in all, it sounds more like a short-term money & power grab on the part of the hsu administration, and them either not really caring how this will impact negatively on the station’s viability, or maybe even an intent to run the station down and eventually liquidate it, while simultaneously milking the listeners for as much as possible in the meantime.

    meanwhile, since only a little more than 25% of the current funding for khsu comes from the university, why are they even the ones making hiring / firing decisions in the first place!? there’s certainly no case that i know of in the private for-profit world, or even in the non-profit world, where an entity with a 24% stake in an enterprise gets to run that enterprise.

    we, the listeners and supporters of khsu, need to very seriously consider withholding our pledges and placing them into some sort of alternative account until it is clear what the administration is really doing.

    we also need to make our voices heard at the meetings of khsu’s community advisory group, on the air on the call-in shows on khsu and kmud, as well as in letters-to-the-editors of our local papers, and letters directly to gunsalas and richmond.

    and in the long-term, we need to consider some options for an independent station, possibly like kmud’s listeners-and-local-underwriters model, or maybe wpkn’s (bridgeport, ct) 100% listener-supported, volunteer-programmer-run model.

    maybe if there is enough of an outcry over the situation at khsu, the administration will realize that they aren’t going to be able to carry out the program of creeping blandification and corporatization that they seem to be headed toward right now.

    if they instead move toward increasing the role that listener-supporters play in governing the station (not just the increasing role they want us to play in bankrolling a station that is increasingly micromanaged by gunsalas and richmond) then perhaps we won’t need to go the route of withdrawing our support from khsu and using it to fund an alternative.

    but in addition to speaking out publicly, we need to create some leverage in the meantime, by creating an alternative fund to put our financial support into, the disbursement of which would be contingent on khsu’s programming, management, membership/donor base, and editorial independence being increased, not decreased.

    so, folks, write your letters, make your calls, and set aside your khsu donations for the time being.

    if you have a pledge envelope on your pile of bills-to-pay right now, then i suggest you send it in without a check, and with a note stating that you are withholding your support until the administration pledges to retain democracy now (or whatever programs you are most concerned about), returns khsu’s reserve fund, returns control of the khsu donor base and fundraising/membership system to the station, and begins seriously working to increase the say that listener-supporters and volunteer programmers have over the governance of the station, and decrease control by hsu’s administration, commensurate with the dwindling funding they are providing.

    and let’s start coming up with names of folks who are well-known enough and well-respected enough in our community to take the lead on creating a “humboldt radio free speech fund.”

    any nominees?

  394. Dex
    November 6, 2009 at 6:50 pm

    MCCRONE’s husband was on the CIA payroll for years. And she was part of a movement that drove away programmers from KHSU during the 90’s. Good riddance, I say.

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