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Read it and retch, smokers

crush-buttSmoking bans in Eureka draw cries of “you’re targeting the homeless!” from those who can’t imagine a stroll on the boardwalk without blowing toxins in the faces of passersby.

Our yellow-fingered friends have more to complain about now that increased tobacco regulation is soon to become law.

The bill passed by the Senate Thursday “could order a reduction in nicotine levels and the elimination of other harmful ingredients,” according to the New York Times.  “Companies will also have to submit lists of all their product ingredients and disclose research about their health effects. And all new tobacco products will have to get marketing approval from the F.D.A. Most flavorings used to lure first-time smokers would be outlawed.”

It’ll be a challenge to list the thousands of nasty chemicals in cigarettes on the packaging.  One can imagine it causing a price increase.

The move may save countless children from getting hooked on the deadly habit.  But will the inevitable cries of persecution by die-hard puffers overshadow the benefit to the next generation?

  1. June 12, 2009 at 6:42 am

    Not just persecution, but one more step towards tyranny.

  2. humboldturtle
    June 12, 2009 at 6:59 am

    Fred, does this suck? Or does it blow?

  3. June 12, 2009 at 7:14 am

    I’m shocked at how muppets cheer on a nanny state….

    We’ll join the ranks of England with people going through your trash and inspecting your home for the proper light bulbs.

    What killed more people in the last century than anything else? Government did, it’s the enemy of mankind- and only kills or steals through violence or threats of violence.

  4. humboldturtle
    June 12, 2009 at 7:24 am

    Anti, should my health insurance dollars pay to tear out your diseased lung?

    Also, leave muppets out of this. Elmo thinks a nanny state is a place full of nice ladies who will take good care of him and the other muppets. He’s not cheering for lower tar and nicotine, he’s cheering for the nice ladies.

  5. June 12, 2009 at 7:24 am

    …We’ll join the ranks of England with people going through your trash.

    San Francisco has approved an ordinance that will fine people for putting trash or recyclables in the wrong receptacles so we’re arguably pretty much there.

  6. humboldturtle
    June 12, 2009 at 7:28 am

    Can’t blame them, Fred. They were tired of listening to Oscar the Grouch:

    “AAArrgh. Who keeps putting these clean bottles in my garbage can? Me want a smoke!”

  7. June 12, 2009 at 7:50 am

    Those fines in SF are levied by a garbage man, not a cop- when did this occupied country toss out rule of law in exchange for corporate fines?

    In England garbage men can pull cars over and have them towed to impound yards if they think garbage is being hidden in the car to be dumped.

    This isn’t law, but what our Founders fought a war against. Tyranny is at home here, with DHS set up by an “ex” Stasi operative- none of these monsters were removed with the change in the new boss ( see the movie the obama deception ).

    The queen of england owns part of the federal reserve system, every red cent of the taxes you pay go to pay interest on debt to offshore banks who rule our lives through fractional lending.

    Fuck Tibet- free America!

  8. Babushka
    June 12, 2009 at 7:57 am

    Boy, the nuts are out in force today. I lost patience with tobacco users years ago.

  9. High Finance
    June 12, 2009 at 8:16 am

    It is frightening how many people believe in Big Nanny government. Complaining about other people smoking cigarettes OUTDOORS ?

    For pete’s sake, get a life you buttinskies !

    And the height of irony is, the same people that want to outlaw cigarette smoking want to legalize pot smoking ?

  10. Andrew Bird
    June 12, 2009 at 8:19 am

    Let’s see, who are the winners with this bill? Tobacco consumers? Check. Tobacco companies? Check. Children? Check. The nation as a whole? Check.

    Who are the losers?

    As for SF’s crackdown on scofflaw recyclers: For our own survival we must move toward becoming a zero-waste society. Landfills are among the most toxic places found on earth. They are a significant source of greenhouse gases. There are only two types of landfills: those that leak and those that are going to leak.

  11. anon
    June 12, 2009 at 8:27 am

    AS today’s WSJ points out in, of all things, an article about Safeway’s insurance plan, 70% of health costs are behavior based. So, legalize pot, just like tobacco and alcohol, and make sure smokers (all of them) and drinkers and people who are morbidly obese, and never exercise, etc etc whatever, pay higher insurance rates than those who take care of themselves. Don’t drink and drive, don’t blow your smoke in people’s faces.

  12. lumpy
    June 12, 2009 at 8:57 am

    Any news from that Land Use meeting?

  13. June 12, 2009 at 9:08 am

    Andrew writes, “Let’s see, who are the winners with this bill?”.

    I’m finding Andrew more frightening every time I hear from him.

    First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out – because I was not a communist;
    Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out – because I was not a socialist;
    Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out – because I was not a trade unionist;
    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out – because I was not a Jew;
    Then they came for me – and there was no one left to speak out for me.

  14. June 12, 2009 at 9:20 am

    “Any news from that Land Use meeting?”.

    I believe Eric posted on it at Sohum Parlance.

  15. mresquan
    June 12, 2009 at 9:30 am

    “It’ll be a challenge to list the thousands of nasty chemicals in cigarettes on the packaging. One can imagine it causing a price increase.”

    Or it will lead to worse chemicals getting into cigarettes via the use and influence of reductionist science allowing those chemicals to pass the testing enforced by the shoddy,and often just flat out wrong F.D.A…..which indeed would lead to price increases….and potentially a worse product.

    Okay,not that I got that out of the way,I’ll add that there is already enough info out there to be able to persuade people to not smoke.So why invest more time and money into more laws and regulations which likely won’t help anyone regardless,when we can take that time and money,or not the money,and do a better job of educating people about why they shouldn’t smoke,using the proven facts of it’s harmful effects that we already know about?

  16. Anonymous
    June 12, 2009 at 9:46 am

    I think I will go out for a smoke and ponder all of this.

  17. Anonymous
    June 12, 2009 at 10:13 am

    The tobacco bigwigs should be brought up on charges for crimes against humanity. They are a truly evil.

  18. Red Hummer
    June 12, 2009 at 10:15 am

    Anon 8:27 makes sense. This is not about civil rights. You have every right to kill yourself. Just don’t make everyone pay for your slow motion suicide when your cancer kicks in and you don’t have coverage, but expect medicare to pay for your radiation, kemo, etc. How does the anti tax crowd reconcile tax money that goes to providing health care for indigent smokers with their freedom of choice?

  19. Anonymous
    June 12, 2009 at 10:36 am

    I don’t use tobacco, I don’t like tobacco, I’ve had family members die from overuse of tobacco over a stretch of many years.

    With that said, it’s pretty sad to see Heraldo’s continuing record as a shameless suck up to Larry Glass and each and every one of his boneheaded ideas. This smoking law is nothing more than an invasive waste of scarce public safety resources at a time when Eureka faces laying off police officers…not to mention the budget being used as the latest excuse standing in the way of implementing independent police review.

  20. June 12, 2009 at 10:45 am

    It was Glass’s idea to pass new federal tobacco regulations? Wow!

    Second hand smoke is invasive, pervasive and toxic. It causes health problems and worse for non-smokers.

    Tobacco companies have made enormous profits from lying about the effects of smoking and peddling its deadly wares to children.

    It’s long past time to clamp down on the tobacco industry.

  21. Anonymous
    June 12, 2009 at 11:05 am

    ooh – the evil tobacco industry.

    I think its long past time to clamp down on lousy legislators that pass fluff shit like this instead of doing important things like balancing the budget.

  22. June 12, 2009 at 11:28 am

    It appears that Larry’s arm stretches all the way to D.C.

  23. Anonymous
    June 12, 2009 at 11:29 am

    We all know this EUREKA law is all about persecuting the pot-smokers down on the boardwalk. Heraldo should certainly sympathize with that.

  24. Anonymous
    June 12, 2009 at 11:53 am

    If you buy a weed-killer nowadays, you have to read seven or eight pages of warnings and instructions in English and Spanish! All that verbiage is taped to the bottle like a miniature book.

    If all those instructions and warnings can fit onto a little bottle of dandelion-killer, I am confident that the geniuses of the Tobacco Belt can also fit the government-mandated messages on their cigarette packages.

    Heck, if worse comes to worse, they can just increase the size of the cigarette packs!

  25. Anonymous
    June 12, 2009 at 12:25 pm

    why don’t they make a law saying tobacco producers have to grow regular old organic tobacco and not add harmful toxins. then, second hand smoke would still exist but at least it wouldn’t be nearly as toxic as it is now. it’s the same old story: punishing the consumer at the personal level and not making manufacturers produce a clean, natural product.

  26. Joltin Joe
    June 12, 2009 at 2:15 pm

    “yellow fingered friends”

    That’s funny. But they’d better not try to take away my cigars.

  27. Joe
    June 12, 2009 at 3:20 pm

    I’m glad tobacco is finally going to be regulated more. Maybe organic tobacco will become more popular after the FDA makes them release all the chemicals they use in the big cigarette companies.

  28. June 12, 2009 at 4:07 pm

    Although I distrust government bureaucracy, in the case of nicotine regulation this is long overdue. It’s a horrific substance with no positive value for society or people whatsoever. Nicotine addiction, whether smoking or chewing, drains taxpayer money in health care costs and kills people.

    There is no reason other than crazed addiction to be against something like this. And mind you, I just stopped smoking for the, oh I don’t know, 15th time recently. It’s a life-long demon on your back once you start. Our children should never have to come into contact with this shit, ever.

    Would you want your children playing in toxic waste pools, or how about drinking a cup of radioactive goo? Of not, the shit’s poison.

  29. June 12, 2009 at 7:08 pm

    strikes again !

  30. FedorGOAT
    June 12, 2009 at 8:51 pm

    Cigarettes make me sick. Just having to walk through clouds of noxious fumes in public is enough to send me wretching.

    I enjoy standing in the middle of smokers and busting forth the raunchiest dose of flatuance I can muster. They then have the gaul to look at me like I’m the crude one.

  31. eco-doomist
    June 12, 2009 at 9:32 pm

    First they came for my cigarettes, and I didn’t speak out – because I had another pack stashed in the glove box.

  32. eco-doomist
    June 12, 2009 at 9:43 pm

    Live free,(cough!) or die.

  33. Rebublicrat
    June 13, 2009 at 8:38 am

    “It was Glass’s idea to pass new federal tobacco regulations?”

    That makes sense. We strolled by his business on the way back from hearing live music on the bay, and had to walk through the smoke gauntlet out on the sidewalk. Ugh.

  34. anon
    June 13, 2009 at 10:13 am

    You all do realize that once upon a time tobacco was extolled as having all the sovereign virtues now attributed to that other sacred herb, marijuana.
    You can smoke pot, but I can’t smoke my herb? You can bang your drum on the plaza, but don’t care for my accordion/kazoo/bagpipes/french horn?
    Progressives are funny folk.

  35. Anonymous
    June 13, 2009 at 10:40 am

    Anyone remember the ads that showed an actor in a white coat saying something like, ” 7 out of 10 doctors smoke Camels?”

  36. Anonymous
    June 13, 2009 at 3:57 pm

    When was the term “Nanny State” developed?
    Who invented the term? What ulterior motive had he, she or they for inventing it?

    What do they have against Nannies, who are by all accounts a nurturing, caring sort of people?

  37. Anonymous
    June 13, 2009 at 3:58 pm

    If cigarettes are outlawed, how are high school students going to express their rebelliousness?

  38. The Monitor
    June 13, 2009 at 4:58 pm

    The Indians used it for ceremony, shared it with the English who loved it, as did the rest of Europe. They over indulged, somewhat like the Indians over indulging in the Whiskey we gave them. People are weak when it comes to addictive substances. That is why governments put laws into effect that control their use. The health care system then tries to make them well again after years of abuse. So who pays the bill? All of us, unless we tax the hell out of the addictive culprits. That money then goes to treat them or make them comfortable as they die. So they get to pay for their own health care, one puff at a time.

  39. June 13, 2009 at 9:09 pm

    HFCS (High Fructose Corn Syrup) and other artificial chemical sweeteners are far more detrimental to the health of the population as a whole than tobacco. If we apply the same “sin tax” philosophy to sweeteners as we do to tobacco, then we should start taxing sweeteners to discourage their consumption.

    If 30,000 people a day in Eureka consume 1 can of soda per day, and we tax a can of soda 10 cents a can, that is $3,000 per day tax revenue. X 365 days looks like a cool million $ to me…..and fewer obese kids.

    have a peaceful day,

  40. Tom Sebourn
    June 14, 2009 at 11:44 pm

    Anon 12:25, it is about the best tobacco you have ever tasted. Without all of the extra chemicals, 100 percent natural organic tobacco is not even the same thing as a Marlboro. They sell them in the stores and they are expensive, like a good cigar. They meaning a brand of loose tobacco or cigarettes already rolled. Won’t mention the brand, there could be kids reading. There is only one that I know of sold locally. Smoking sucks, it is expensive and it kills you, but if you can’t kick it, kick the extra chemicals.

  41. Walt
    June 15, 2009 at 5:43 am

    Swell. Cool, organic cigarettes. I’m not a fan of tobacco, especially since I had to be a caregiver for my mother, killed by Reynolds American, Inc. Smoking is still perceived as cool because they pay for movies to show our favorite stars smoking. It kills people, but they make money and share the money with Congress and Hollywood. Yummy product, Tom.

  42. Mr. Nice
    June 15, 2009 at 10:19 am

    Y’all are missing several points.

    1. (I’ll say it again and again) All of these local anti-smoking ordinances are a clever way to ticket homeless people in areas where they can’t be ticketed for loitering like the plaza, boardwalk, etc.

    2. Phillip Morris supports the FDA regulating tobacco. This goody-goody legislation is nothing but a backdoor effort to extend their monopoly by making it impossible for small-scale companies to compete. You best believe that P.M. lobbied like hell for this legislation to see the light of day and y’all reps. are puffing on the bait cig, match, and smoker. This includes y’all’s favorite stinky ashtray loosey master, Obama.

    3. This legislation centers around banning “flavors” in tobacco which squarely targets Phillip Morris’ biggest competitor, R.J. Reynolds. As well, it targets Blunt Wraps and those new Zig-Zag flavored weed wraps which nobody ever smokes tobacco out of anyway.

    4. This legislation unfairly targets electric cigarettes which commonly contain nothing but flavoring and nicotine if desired. That is, these do not contain actual tobacco, but will be regulated by the FDA (you can thank Phillip Morris for that).

    To all you folks who think your Democrat busybody legislative, executive, and judicial branches are trying to help people out, think again. This is doing nothing but lining the pockets of big tobacco just as the feel-good bills to loan federal money to tobacco farmers did nothing but to ruin the family tobacco farmer.

    And anti-tobacco laws do nothing to save on health care costs because smokers die years before they ever see Medicare/Medicaid benefits.

  43. unanonymous
    June 15, 2009 at 11:30 am

    we should ban excessive exposure to the sun as well…..and breathing heavy (co2 emissions)….but wouldn’t that stop exercising. ….. i’m dizzy.

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