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Marina Center virtual tour

Okay, kids.  Grab the popcorn and get a load of Eureka’s idyllic future.  It’s a silent tour, unfortunately, but at least you can watch at work (unless you warm a desk chair at the City of Eureka).

Notice the lack of cars — even on Broadway.  But there’s plenty of room to shop, shop, shop! Looks like kicking the CalTrans guy off the Planning Commission must have solved any pesky traffic issues in the Draft Environmental Impact Report.

The proposed Home Depot isn’t depicted by name, but is designated as “anchor retail.”  Just in case they bail — if they haven’t already.

  1. News Deprived
    September 29, 2009 at 12:31 am

    what happened to all the housing? I thought it was supposed to be mixed use development. In case Arkley hasn’t noticed, businesses with no customers nearby is so 1980s.

  2. godknot
    September 29, 2009 at 12:45 am

    The little bit of wetlands is a nice touch; but it all seems out of scale and out of character in relation to downtown. I reminds me of one of the big shopping centers around Sacramento: and where IS the housing? And who is going to rent all that office space? I think this project needs to be a city by itself. In Santa Clara County.

  3. Tom Araya
    September 29, 2009 at 2:55 am

    The housing is all upstairs- the live/work fad. That’s my guess anyway.
    Where I live, there’s a lot of this and the ‘live’ often gets made into even more office space after it’s sold.

    This project is about ten years too late. Most companies that I have worked for who build lofts have auctioned everything off and left town. And this is the worst time in a generation for commercial real estate. I have no opinion about the marina center but it’s definitely a guaranteed failed investment.

  4. High Finance
    September 29, 2009 at 4:15 am

    You’re right, this is the worst time for commercial real estate.

    However, they don’t make plans to build & occupy houses & stores today. This is for businesses five years down the road & the recession will long be over.

    This will be great for Eureka.

  5. Spongy Morel
    September 29, 2009 at 6:04 am

    I see they improved the view from the footpath by tidying up Schmidbauer Lumber and removing the barge loading facility at the Sierra Pacific docks as well.

    I’m amazed at how much time and PR money is being thrown at this project.

  6. September 29, 2009 at 6:55 am

    We don’t need commercial we need industrial. There are enough places trying to sell us stuff we don’t need, where are the plans to put up space where people can grow a business where something is actually made. I am so sick of this shit.

  7. A-Nony-Mouse
    September 29, 2009 at 7:25 am

    OGR hit it right on the head!

  8. Ed
    September 29, 2009 at 7:28 am

    Where’s Godzilla when you need him?

  9. 421
    September 29, 2009 at 7:29 am

    interesting comment about the cars. according to most on this blog, the project will fail so there won’t be any, right? maybe you were talking about the lack of cars in the wetland area? i think the car removal is part of the restoration. i know you guys like to have it both ways: you think the project will have too much traffic and not enough business? how does that make sense?

  10. Anon
    September 29, 2009 at 8:05 am

    Looks like a cheap strip mall

  11. lumpy
    September 29, 2009 at 8:37 am

    I am with Old Glory Radio on this. What are we going to do a whole street of Sunglass Huts?

  12. derchoadus
    September 29, 2009 at 8:54 am

    Hey man, I saw a Pizza place also! This looks exactly like the ‘Downtown’ of any east bay city. Every store front a chain. Can the architecture be any worse?

  13. Earl
    September 29, 2009 at 8:57 am

    Looks nice. It brings Eureka into the 21st century. I can’t believe that anyone would be opposed to this….

  14. September 29, 2009 at 8:58 am

    Even a conservative can be right once in a while and Old Glory is correct. What is needed here in Humboldt and Eureka especially are manufacturing jobs that pay a living wage.

    We can build modern factories that are environmentally responsible and manufacture locally some of the things we need. We can do it, really we can.

    We don’t need no more stinking retail jobs or tourist business service jobs that pay squat.

    As for the Balloon Track it is public use lets build a medical school and improve the health of Humboldt County and turn out some 21st century doctors and nurses.

    have a peaceful day
    Bill

  15. September 29, 2009 at 8:59 am

    Anyone who vacations the area makes sure to tell their friends to skip Humboldt County unless you want your car broken into. People who own homes in Eureka remind people not to buy a home in Eureka unless you want Larry Glass and the Council breaking into their home.

    That would be a great name for a punk band…..Larry Glass & The Council- their first album can be titles mandatory Trash Collection, their second can be Tax Levy Inside The Home.

  16. September 29, 2009 at 9:12 am

    The description blurb on YouTube claims the project will create 1000 jobs!

    I can’t help but think about the M. Moore documentary Roger and Me. The part of the film where the city of Flint, Michigan built that Waterfront Park project. Sadly it failed.

    Could we be heading down that same path?

  17. average Eurekan
    September 29, 2009 at 9:24 am

    Count on Jeff Leonard to be frantically putting lipstick on this pig tomorrow night. So, he misses the council meeting where he could vote for a request to have a forum on the interim cleanup plan. Now, he’s trying to sponsor an informal one.

    That’s the schizophrenic Jeff we know and … well, know.

  18. September 29, 2009 at 9:30 am

    OK… that project in Flint was Water Street Pavilion.

    A similar concept. Sort of…

  19. Ed
    September 29, 2009 at 9:34 am

    Remember, just don’t eat the ducks.

  20. Anonymous
    September 29, 2009 at 9:53 am

    Black Flag.

    I dont like most things that Larry stands for
    but I also dont think he is dishonest, a crook
    or a thief.

  21. vic-one
    September 29, 2009 at 10:16 am

    Just what California needs….more grey and beige boring modern buildings

  22. September 29, 2009 at 10:23 am

    Fine job on the virtual tour! This looks like the best pot dispensary ever.

  23. FedUp
    September 29, 2009 at 10:43 am

    What a pipe dream! I think Arkley and his minions are smoking Humboldt’s Finest.

    There aren’t enough business/retail dollars in this area to support the businesses/stores we have. If HD hasn’t already bailed on this project, it’s only a matter of time.

    Not only that, it’s boring. I guess this is just a mock up, but it’s still boring.

    Some decent apartments would be nice, but would anyone be able to afford them?

    Even if Arkley is planning for the future…how much of a future can this area have with no industry? I agree, we need real, good manufacturing jobs. We used to have them – it was called timber.

    When I was growing up in Humboldt County, trees were America’s renewable resource. Now we just import them from other countries who don’t give a crap how many they cut or how they cut them. What a great solution! (Sorry, I digress…)

  24. September 29, 2009 at 10:58 am

    Resource stripping is not the same thing as manufacturing.

    It is true that manufacturing requires raw materials that are grown or mined or harvested in some way.

    have a peaceful day,
    Bill

  25. huufc
    September 29, 2009 at 11:30 am

    The tour looks great.

    I am amazed that some people will put their money and time into a project that will improve Eureka-given the constant negative attacks on the prople and the project.

    The marina project will take a useless dump and turn it into a place we all can go and shop.

    The politicians in town should be celebrating and encouraging this project.

  26. Mike Buettner
    September 29, 2009 at 11:46 am

    Definitely needs a new architect.

  27. not2dumb
    September 29, 2009 at 12:08 pm

    FYI Average Eurekan,

    I think you should read the newspaper more carefully. Sounds to me like Jeff, instead of whining, posturing and screaming “outrage” over his position as a councilperson being disrespected, simply picked up the phone and asked the NCRWQCB if they would be part of a public forum to publicly explain the process and where we are.

    Nothing schizophrenic about it. It’s what Jeff does. While all the political posturing goes on, he simply finds a way to actually make the process more transparent. Jeff is all about educating the public not blogging a bunch of disingenuous crap.

    The Marina District Project is not the subject to be discussed. The SIRAP plan will be discussed so the public can stay informed.

    Stay home and with your head up your ass. I am sure the view from there is really illuminating.

  28. Zeno
    September 29, 2009 at 12:59 pm

    Unlike High Finance (above), I am not particularly sanguine with regard to the commercial office and commercial retail space markets recovering very much in Greater Eureka over the next five years. Like it or not, the demand for that sort of space is likely to grow very slowly in the Greater Eureka area over the next 5 and perhaps 10 years. It is more likely to induce higher vacancy rates and perhaps blight in existing commercial districts in Eureka. I agree with OGR that our economic development should be focused on (niche) manufacturing, including food products, that can inject income into the local economy. Wilson on the Harbor District Board is promoting that concept.

  29. not2dumb
    September 29, 2009 at 1:18 pm

    Zeno,
    Everyone promotes that concept. Have you forgotten that Barbara Groom is scheduled to put her brewery in the Marina District? I believe niche manufacturing is part of the plan. I have been to a lot of meetings about this project. How many have you attended?

    But, hey, why get informed when it’s so much easier to be negative? You want to be part of the solution? Then get in there with some ideas. I think you will find SNB very receptive.

    In the meantime, the forum tomorrow night is about SIRUP not the overall plan itself. Let’s just take it a step at a time, shall we?

    It would be nice if we all tried to get up to speed on the project instead of nitpicking a virtual tour of what “might” be.

  30. Anon
    September 29, 2009 at 1:24 pm

    Atleast it doesn’t look like the Co-op

  31. Mike Buettner
    September 29, 2009 at 1:28 pm

    I thought Barbara Groom nixed moving the brewing facility there.

  32. ersscott
    September 29, 2009 at 1:45 pm

    Looks great! Let’s break ground and celebrate this tremendous project. The negativity in this county is something else.

  33. Reinventing the Wheel
    September 29, 2009 at 3:00 pm

    Labeling uncomfortable truths as “negative” doesn’t change the broad failure of this 1980’s development model.

    Adding 1,092 low pay, part time jobs, while adding more unaffordable housing to the large deficits that already exist will only GROW more poverty.

    Renaming “Broadway Avenue” to “Broadway Street” will not mitigate the 16,000 additional daily vehicle trips that will only GROW more record fatalities.

    Eureka needs a broader definition of GROWTH that addresses failures instead of merely expanding them.

    Local citizens viewing this video should be inspired by the potential of a much larger wetland restoration and other appropriate public uses that are proven to attract visitors, capital investment, and residents, developments that benefit more from facing our bay than away from it…..

    Thirty years of haphazard zoning and poor planning filled limited sites with national retailers instead of open spaces and light industry. The problems that resulted were not Larry Glass’s failure, but are among the issues that motivated his candidacy.

  34. City-zen
    September 29, 2009 at 3:12 pm

    Dear Lord! I AM all for some reasonable development there, but can we PLEASE find an architect who doesnt think big blocky brick squares are cool?
    Jebus! These things are UGLY!
    And remember that this stuff always looks nicer in CG shows like this one. In real life?…whole blocks that look just like our jail!
    If we have to pay for this- can we at least build something that looks good?

  35. A-Nony-Mouse
    September 29, 2009 at 3:14 pm

    Ah, Arkley’s minions are out in force in the blogosphere! This thing looks like Mr. Bland’s wet dream. It has no color. It has no character, It has no class! It’s just another big brand shopping mall not too different from the one we have that’s currently in bankruptcy. For some reason, Eureka always seems to attract the Big Fix Pie in the Sky types who think their projects will fix everything. None of them seems to be in context or in scale to actually help Eureka. This one will ship so much more money OUT of the County that we won’t be able to afford the gas we would need to create traffic jams on Broadway. (by the way, it took over 20 minutes to get across town on Broadway at 1:20 this afternoon. Bumper to bumper. Arkley says we need MORE!

    Here’s a thought. How about using a significant portion of the BT for light industry which could feed directly into Short-Sea-Shipping right next door at the Schneider dock? What a concept! Lots of room AND convenient affordable shipping right nearby.
    Sounds pretty good when placed against more schlock junk stores, doesn’t it? (the parking lot at the CC Home Depot was far less than 1/4 full at 11:15 this morning. Must have been all those Eureka contractors….?!)

  36. A-Nony-Mouse
    September 29, 2009 at 3:18 pm

    I’m also curious about the perspective they used showing the wetlands. It looks like they’d need at least 40 acres to make it actually look that way. What a shuck!

  37. September 29, 2009 at 3:48 pm

    The architecture sucks! The green trees look better than the weeds currently on the location but who would want that architecture on the water front? It looks like Brea or parts of Redding. WTF? Why do they want to build that stuff next to old town. It won’t match the rest of old town. It does match some of the poor architecture along Broadway though. It will blend in with Don’s Rentall and the Party Place as well as Six Rivers Solar. Mike’s Garlic Fries will be the classiest joint on that corner.

    Maybe they should put a wall around it so it can’t be seen from old town Eureka. We could paint the wall to look like a sea port village. Better yet, hire an architect!
    This looks like something that passed the design review for McKinleyville, not the Eureka waterfront.
    It sucks!

  38. Anonymous
    September 29, 2009 at 4:00 pm

    This is what you get when you hire a architectural firm that specializes in strip malls… a strip mall!

    Remember Cherie Arkley’s interview with the NJC a few years back?

    “It’s going to be fashioned like Cannery Row, with mixed-use.”

    http://www.northcoastjournal.com/011206/QA0112.html

  39. michael
    September 29, 2009 at 5:38 pm

    Old Glory Radio nailed this one!

  40. gordon Inkeles
    September 29, 2009 at 5:51 pm

    It’s certainly a big improvement over what we’ve got, but what happens to those lovely bikeways around the new buildings? Are cyclists expected to park outside of town and walk or would we be on our own in downtown traffic the way we are now?

  41. September 29, 2009 at 6:06 pm

    What gives Heraldo?

    With all of your posts on tours, how could you miss the
    Redwood Curtain Bicycle Run?

  42. September 29, 2009 at 6:09 pm

    No need to post identical comments all over the blog, Jeff.

  43. September 29, 2009 at 6:21 pm

    Saw the cyclist remark, thought it was relevant.

    Are you biking with us too, H?

  44. September 29, 2009 at 6:38 pm

    I’m also wondering if that coastal bike path, shown tracking the railroad, is supposed to connect to Arcata.

  45. September 29, 2009 at 7:19 pm

    They should have had the plane in the start of the video lay a chemtrail down.

    Where are the people going to come from who can rent overpriced studios above retail? What happens when the stucco starts to moss up?

    He should build whatever on his land- if you enviro anti-job humdumbs don’t like it you can buy your own land and build what you want. Right now mutants live around that eyesore and they come up from holes at night and steal things from honest Citizens. Getting rid of their eco-system is the first step in ridding the area of them.

    The best will be seeing every last ACE Hardware shut it’s doors- they can auction off their overpriced Chinese junk.

    They ought to keep the Lost Coast out of there, get a real brewery- LC hasn’t poured a decent pint since like ’92.

  46. meme
    September 29, 2009 at 8:07 pm

    Way to go Eureka! Go back to the 60s-the worst time in architectures history. The new vernacular will be called neo-concentration camp.

  47. anonymous.
    September 29, 2009 at 8:25 pm

    Telling the owners of the Balloon Track what to do with their property or critiquing the video negatively seems rude in the least-is there a long running feud… are these the guys who masaquered the Indians??

    The architecture is a definite improvement over rusty rail cars and overgrown bushes-doesnt that catch fire sometimes it seems like it would.

    The commenter about a medical school was the most intelligent here (imho) of course that wouldn’t bring tax revenue to the city, but HSU has dropped the ball with forestry and fisheries and other studies where graduates can’t find jobs–it would be very nice if Marina Center added choices in education to go with decent paying jobs.

    Isnt it embarrasing employers here brag about how many college graduates does it take to screw in a lightbulb? Who cares-we pay them min wage! ha.ha.ha.

  48. 06em
    September 29, 2009 at 8:35 pm

    The architecture of Eureka (for better or for worse) is at least authentic, in that it grew organically over time.
    The problem with the Marina Center project design (as presented by this video) is that it takes up so much space, yet it all looks the same. It could be anywhere in North America. Anywhere. I don’t think this video persuades any but the most ardent Marina Center fans.
    It’s very disturbing to imagine several blocks of this smack dab in the middle of our victorian seaport.

  49. Maimai
    September 29, 2009 at 8:54 pm

    Oh yeah its disturbing this several blocks of new development is smack dab in the middle of our victorian seaport…RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE well ok back a few from the ugly metal buildings Dave Snyder put up along the waterfront WHERE was the yowling?? Where were the bloggers?? Its disgusting design review was just a dream back then but still no whining no sniveling no public comment periods. zilch.

  50. anon
    September 29, 2009 at 9:03 pm

    Dave Snyder was related to Jack McKeller (old city council good old boy back in the day) are these Nopies the New good old boys?

  51. September 29, 2009 at 9:29 pm

    It’s like they hired the person that designed the Humboldt County Jail and said, just like that but with a wetland.

  52. Time to get real
    September 29, 2009 at 9:44 pm

    Does anyone notice the Monterey cannery row waterfront look the Sherrie Arkley wanted? I guess Rob won out, the not very inventive middle of the road urban mall look. It is about as un-Eureka as anything I have ever seen. There is nothing that remotely looks like a MARINA, No sculpture with a nautical theme, or Redwoods, or shoreline colors, anything, something, please. He has such a great chance here to leave a real legacy, a Carson Mansion of the 21st Century. A curved pond on one end is all we get? Come on Rob, Put your thinking cap on for something more that making a buck.
    I still see the sows ear, where is the silk purse?

  53. September 29, 2009 at 9:49 pm

    Didn’t you see the Marina Center flags on all the light poles? They have little sail boats on them.

  54. anon
    September 29, 2009 at 10:04 pm

    right and all you guys have so much money to show up the Arkleys development puhlease…. losers go have another beer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neoUi4poCXI

  55. September 29, 2009 at 10:15 pm

    The architecture grows on you. I much prefer it to the “neo colonial” look of so many California shopping centers. It has a way of letting the nature remain part of the landscape. Trying to copy Old town wouldn’t work. This is a better approach.

  56. average Eurekan
    September 29, 2009 at 10:38 pm

    not2dumb is Jeffy’s mom.

    She (just like in his last campaign) was assigned to be “Blog Monitor,” to attack anyone who had the gumption to say anything bad about her little boy.

    Note to Barb: your voice is hard to conceal! Try masking your writing style a bit, hon!

  57. anon
    September 30, 2009 at 9:10 am

    anyone want to unmask average Eurekan-go for it! If in fact Not2 is Barb then I have to say way to go because Ive always loved your writing style and the voice of reason in places where there is so little. Being part of the solution instead of part of the problem is a concept most lazy bloggers cant get their minds around-so much safer to take potshots from behind their rocks, easier to perpetuate lies than dig for truths, safer to side with a visible ‘majority’ when in fact the blog community is a pathetic minority especially when you boil it down to 10 people posting like 65…

  58. Anonymous
    September 30, 2009 at 9:54 am

    Lil’ Jeffy needs all the help he can get

  59. Reinventing the Wheel
    September 30, 2009 at 12:17 pm

    How many mall developers does it take to change a light bulb? Doesn’t matter, nothing will change.

  60. Denise
    September 30, 2009 at 12:47 pm

    This looks awful. Cold and heartless.
    I would never want to go there.
    And remember a sunny day in Eureka is a rare thing; lets see this on those endless grey wet days from November through May.

    How sad. This gives me the same sadness a trip to Sacramento does. No humanness, nothing special, just cold square brick and pavement. Who would want this?

  61. anon
    September 30, 2009 at 4:29 pm

    If you put Trader Joe’s in there I will go every day! Sorry people, good stuff is hard to stay away from. I boycotted Costco for the first 5 years then I found out they had stuff I like. That is hard to ignore, looking forward to Home Depot very much.

  62. anonymous.
    September 30, 2009 at 4:46 pm

    I think this architecture is very much like the Humboldt County Library-it fits the waterfront.

  63. meme
    September 30, 2009 at 5:20 pm

    Anyone that really thinks this architecture is good is undeserving of sight.

  64. sleepy
    September 30, 2009 at 6:52 pm

    meme,

    Hexes and curses tend to work better if you observe the rules of grammar.

    Anyone WHO…

    Anyone THAT presupposes a lifeless antecedent, in which case your curse would be redundant.

  65. meme
    September 30, 2009 at 11:54 pm

    sleepy,
    thanks for the tip.
    now maybe my hexes and curses will finally work.

  66. Anon
    October 1, 2009 at 6:51 am

    Not sure what’s similar between the Library and the Marina Center. Architecturally, they are close to opposite.

    Wait, I’ve got it- they both have roofs

  67. anon
    October 1, 2009 at 7:12 am

    My comment comparing Marina Center to the library was based on scale and wood in direct contrast with stucco/block and the metal sheds already in that neighborhood. In my opinion this is a step in the right direction. There are no ‘Victorians’ close by so the writer suggesting Victorian Seaport must have read that in a novel.

  68. sleepy
    October 1, 2009 at 8:30 am

    meme,

    Hexes can work but you pay a terrible price: each hex you cast is an invitation to Satan to come into your life.

  69. Mike Buettner
    October 1, 2009 at 11:10 pm

    There are no ‘big boxes’ close by so the devoper suggesting this crap must have read that in a novel.

  70. 06em
    October 2, 2009 at 6:48 am

    … the writer suggesting Victorian Seaport must have read that in a novel.

    No. I read it on the City of Eureka website.

    To make my previous comment easier for you to understand:
    Eureka promotes itself as a Victorian Seaport – as does Port Townsend in Washington, btw. Since Eureka contains a section with lots of great victorian architecture right along the bay that transitions into a seaport industrial section in the area that contains the public-zoned, Arkley-owned parcel, I think

    … smack dab in the middle of our victorian seaport.

    is an appropriate way to describe the parcel location.

  71. A-Nony-Mouse
    October 2, 2009 at 3:36 pm

    The Virtual tour most reminds me of a ‘sanitary sewer’. It’s designed to hide the crap and show only the water. It was pathetic!

  72. sleepy
    October 2, 2009 at 4:55 pm

    Please…not a Victorian shopping center! When will the nauseating cutesy crap end?

  73. anon
    October 3, 2009 at 12:26 pm

    where were you 06em …when Dave Snyder put up square metal boxes right ON the waterfront? Victorian Seaport my ass!

  74. anon
    October 3, 2009 at 12:33 pm

    the BT isnt on the waterfront its a step back and a certain improvement on the surrounding ‘architecture’ cept for the Wharfinger Building at the Eureka Public Marina. It fits with the architecture of JBigger-did you or any of these other critics go to design review or blog about that at the time or is this merely potshots at the Arkleys (because you can)?

  75. 06em
    October 3, 2009 at 1:11 pm

    What does JBigger mean?

    What are the “square metal buildings” that you refer to and what are they used for?

    Victorian seaport is a two word phrase. You seem to be really intent on conflating the two in some way that is contrary to the meaning. There are victorians. There is a working seaport – barely. Together, Eureka promoters with the city decided it would be a nice phrase to describe the place. I agree.

    That doesn’t mean that only victorian architecture should be allowed or, for that matter, that only seaport related buildings should be allowed. Mostly victorian Old Town buildings turn into mostly waterfront (seaport) related buildings. Having a very large chunk of that location designed by one mind (or firm) into a sort of Disneyland of shopping is a visually jarring, traffic snarling use of the space, imo. This is especially true of a space that we Eurekans (in the guise of our elected representatives) have control over zoning-wise, since we Eurekans will have to live with the sizeable negative impacts along with whatever good might come.

  76. maimai
    October 3, 2009 at 1:34 pm

    I think he meant JBigger is the architect of the Wharfinger Bldg. There is a component of waterfront development that makes a requirement although Im not sure the BT is close enough to the bay to insist its water related business. The mixture of styles along the bay is very nice but I do agree about the metal buildings all about the same age they will deteriorate much faster than wood. I agree too-its time to start cleaning up the balloon track-sorry!

  77. soldier
    October 3, 2009 at 5:37 pm

    Interesting to see all you “progressives” wiping the floor with each other’s proposals. The truth is you people can never be trusted to run, much less design, anything.

    Pretty soon we’ll have a new waterfront ready to build. You will howl with your usual protests and then we’ll roll over you as usual.

  78. U.P. yours
    October 3, 2009 at 9:04 pm

    apparently soldier fails to grasp the fine details of pluralistic democracy.

    The fact is that SN (or whatever corporate shell that is being trotted out for whatever purpose of corporate shell game shenanigans) owns a piece of property that is zoned (predominately) for public use. The question of what (if any) zoning change will be approved is still in the air and will be dependent on the decision of the citizens democratically elected representatives as informed by the citizenry. The citizens own the zoning designation. If this concept baffles you, think in terms of someone buying a suburban home and putting in a refinery. Wouldn’t fly. This may or may not fly. Part of the decision making of the public will be dependent on the quality, or lack thereof, of the cleanup plan. This assumes no undue influence coming to bear as wielded by a wealthy developer.

    Dear “soldier”– what army did you serve in? From the imperious and arrogant nature of your declaration of “rolling over” people, it seems likely to have been either Soviet or mid-twentieth century German. Perhaps the Red Chinese at Tianamen Square. Imperial Roman seems to fit but the timeline don’t play.

    Go back where you came from!

  79. October 3, 2009 at 10:59 pm

    Yes, Eureka, you too can look like Redding, Vallejo, Hayward, or Anytown, USA. Anyone been to the Bayshore Mall lately, where businesses are struggling? Anyone seen the upscale, EMPTY buildings down at the boardwalk?

    NO ARKLEYVILLE.

  80. soldier
    October 3, 2009 at 11:26 pm

    All you have to do to prevent being rolled over as usual is to come up with a plan that you agree on. This is an impossibility for progressives. Therefore, those who make things happen will roll over your impotent protests when the time comes. You know I’m right because that’s our entire history.

  81. Anon
    October 18, 2009 at 8:04 am

    Don’t think they accurately depicted the ratio of cars to pickup trucks in Humboldt Country.

    They seem to have some odd notion that Humboldt County can create its own little yuppie paradise.

    Not gonna happen.

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