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CLEAR WINNER: Alternative “A” feels the love

Professional forester Greg Blomstrom told the Planning Commission about the problems caused by fragmentation of Timber Production Zones.

Professional forester Greg Blomstrom describes problems caused by fragmentation of Timber Production Zones.

Keeping consistent with past meetings on Humboldt County’s General Plan Update, the public spoke strongly in favor of Alternative A, which offers the most protections for agriculture and timber lands for the next 20 years.

About 50 residents filed to the podium at the Humboldt County Planning Commission meeting Thursday night, starting with an angry screed by Tom Grover of Redway. He said residents of Southern Humboldt “get no respect” and are being misinformed by county staff.  “We’re ticked off about our loss of freedoms,” he said.*

The comments that followed maintained a civil decibel level.

Greg Blomstrom, a Registered Professional Forester and timberland owner with a consulting firm that manages over 30,000 acres noted the difficulties presented by fragmentation. He said one client belongs to 3 different road associations, and others face rising costs when forced to change their timber management practices to accommodate the needs of an increasingly residential area.

Blomstrom said his firm conducted a recent analysis of TPZ (Timber Production Zone) owners and found that over half own less than 80 acres. He said unless they can prove the land is being managed for timber, the properties should be rolled out so that taxpayers can stop subsidizing those land owners with the tax breaks that accompany such zoning.

Several people voiced support for protecting ag lands for local food production.  Fyre Phoenix of Arcata noted disasters and depletions in other food-growing areas, saying “food production won’t continue as it has.”

The county “must ensure timber and ag lands have first priority on lands suited for them,” said Virginia Graziani.

Speakers roughly complied to the 3-minute comment limit with little interruption, until Commisioner Scott Kelly noted some “misinformation” on a Humboldt Future flyer that was endorsed by Realtors and developers.  Kelly said the flyer “spread misinformation by describing Alternative A as the “preferred” staff alternative.

Speakers also favored community forestry, and the protection of wildlife habitat.  Sal Steinberg of Friends of the Van Duzen said the coho salmon count in that river was under 500 for 2009.

Others blasted Green Diamond for its plan to convert the McKay tract south of Eureka from an extremely productive timberland to residential development.

Opponents of Alt. A voiced concern over the merger ordinance, and argued that development in the rural areas can’t be considered “sprawl.”

The Commission will deliberate and perhaps vote on these issues at its October 22nd meeting.


* Grover said he was speaking on behalf of Bonnie Blackberry of the Civil Liberties Monitoring Project, who peddled some scary falsehoods during a KMUD talk show on October 7, saying the county intended to “move everybody into the cities” so they can “control us and get us living into town.”
  1. flyonthewall
    October 16, 2009 at 8:13 am

    Grover is spot on. You turned out all your vocal ghats to convince this stacked commission that the public supports your insane vision of rural living as uhhealthy and urban living as healthy . The only sane, straight forward vision is that expressed by Grover. Your attempt to smear him and Blackberry shows your true strips. With Faust leading this planning process around by the nose,I’m sure Mr. Grover will also have no right to buy a pro football team.

  2. October 16, 2009 at 8:21 am

    The only thing we need to focus on is getting government filth off our land and out of our wallets.
    Government has no right telling Citizens what they can and can’t do- they are filth that can’t balance a checkbook and have no respect for Sovereign Citizens.
    It’s time to shut down government, arrest those who collect taxes, and set forth into a voluntary society.

    The answer to 1984 is 1776

  3. Ed
    October 16, 2009 at 8:37 am

    After listening to the KMUD show, and hearing the results of the CPR fear mongering, I was surprised by the low numbers of people with paranoid delusions at last night’s hearing. Maybe those thousands of CPR members were too busy panic pulling to attend.

  4. October 16, 2009 at 8:55 am

    Your attempt to smear him and Blackberry shows your true strips.

    This was no such attempt. While I expected comments to be heated, Tom was the only one who came to the podium unhinged.

    Bonnie’s comments on KMUD were very disappointing, and simply parroted the worst of HumCPR fear mongering.

  5. Anonymous
    October 16, 2009 at 9:11 am

    I very glad that the large majority of Humboldt who favor protection of agricultural and forest lands is getting heard over the shrill disinformation of HumCPR.

    I talk to people on this issue almost everyday and there is broad and strong support for Alt A and its fundamental goals. Interestingly I am finding that the desire to stop the subdivision of our forests and ag lands has support from both democracts and republicans. Many of the republicans in our county, like many of the democrats, are here because they have fled from places that have been destroyed by uncontrolled “development”.

    I have lived here my whole life and I am so heartened to find that so many people are ready to stand up to the developers and the right wing property nuts.

  6. October 16, 2009 at 9:16 am

    When you allow government slime to make your choices, you have no choice.

    The answer to 1984 is 1776

  7. Anonymous
    October 16, 2009 at 9:31 am

    Black Flag: So the young men and women that serve in our government’s Army, Navy and Marines are also slime? Is that what you tell your friends who are veterans and on active duty?

    One of the basic problems that HumCPR has is that some of its members have this same hateful and paranoid attitude toward our government and society at large. If an organization engages in disinformation and hatemongering it tends to draw in the ignorant and hateful.

  8. Ana Nymous
    October 16, 2009 at 9:49 am

    “It’s time to shut down government, arrest those who collect taxes, and set forth into a voluntary society.”

    Black Flag, The problem is we are running out of space for everyone’s own personal voluntary society.

    I’d like to believe that we don’t need government, that self interest would dictate the necessity of looking out for each other. Reality just keeps showing the folly of that belief.

    Kudos to Humboldt Herald for voluntarily providing you space for your freedom of speech.

  9. Mr. Nice
    October 16, 2009 at 9:58 am

    What they need is WPZ land, weed producing zone. Turn all those selectively logged twenty acre hillside parcels into dank farms and call that an approved use. It’s not like that ain’t what already happens. I mean, who do you think is blowing $200k on some parcel that has half the trees cut out and no sane place to build a house? What are they taking out double ARM credit default swap loans to buy some old mudslide prone piece of shit? Hell no, it’s all money down then pay the rest of that off in five years, clean and clear. Cop a squat on that bitch, and keep bustin out crops like some ninja warriors flooding the streets with that Humboldt bomb. They need to bring forward Option W to support our local economy.

    I mean, protect the woods, or some shit. All this talk dodges the real issue though. These subdivision pipe dreamers wouldn’t succeed even if they had their way.

  10. Anonymous
    October 16, 2009 at 11:18 am

    The answer to 1984 is 1776

    Ahh, so Black Flag’s solution is violent insurrection. He’s exactly the type of person we need the government to protect us from.

  11. koastdog
    October 16, 2009 at 11:36 am

    there is no rest without unrest…when your air, water and food quality is destroyed by the people that say they are protecting you, how can you support the government… purely blind faith which our country seem to have a lot of…take a look around…we are in the midst of disaster

    The answer to 1984 is 1776

    here here

  12. Ed
    October 16, 2009 at 11:45 am

    What we have is the offspring of 1776. Working hard and involving yourself in government and electing good people to represent you is our only hope. Only then does government cease to be feared and become of, for, and by the people.

  13. Eric Kirk
    October 16, 2009 at 12:33 pm

    For the record, there was no anarchist revolution in 1776. Not on the North American continent anyway.

  14. A-Nony-Mouse
    October 16, 2009 at 1:01 pm

    Hey, Koastdog, it has been huge corporations that push pesticides, food additives, heavy sugar, engineered food-things. It has been huge power companies that insist on polluting coal-fired and nuclear power plants. It has been huge Agribusiness that has insisted on rearranging the plumbing of our rivers for their subsidized gain. Government, while never blameless, is no more at fault than we are ourselves.

  15. SkiptToMyLou
    October 16, 2009 at 1:55 pm

    Government, while never blameless, is no more at fault than we are ourselves.

    That shit makes too much sense for dipshits like Black Flag and the modern GOP A-nony. They want you to believe that government is something else, an outside force you must confront in your never-ending battle for “freedom.” We are the government, we constitute the government and out fellow citizens staff it.

    If you have a problem with our bought and paid for politicians you’ll find plenty of support, but then we have to turn around and deal with clueless fucktards like Glaser in Fortuna who has obviously never read his Constitution, or Feinstein who is certainly aiding and abetting her husband’s war-profiteering. Stop pretending you stand outside of this social and political construct, your ass is in as deep as the rest of us.

  16. anonomous says
    October 16, 2009 at 2:04 pm

    “the public spoke strongly in favor of Alternative A”

    the public that youre referring to was all of the wealthy humboldt crowd that live in arcata……..again trying to be the ones in charge of if,how, and when rural folks should live in the country. none of them have read any of the fine print of plan a. they are just knee jerk city boutique enviro’s that have absolutely no practical experience living rurally and on the land.
    I’ts real easy for them to drive their cars to a meeting that’s just down the street…….all of the people that live in the rest of Rural Humboldt have to drive for 2 hours there and 2 hours back (like me) in order to give input and show a presence.
    I am so grateful for Humboldt Coalition for Property Right’s for representing
    rural people like me and my family that cannot make that kind of drive up there. I encourage all rural people to join humcpr,they have over 4,000 members and is growing everyday.

  17. October 16, 2009 at 2:12 pm

    the public that youre referring to was all of the wealthy humboldt crowd that live in arcata…knee jerk city boutique enviro’s…absolutely no practical experience living rurally and on the land

    You’re either lying or you missed the meeting. But I’m sure such hysterical generalizations are appreciated by HumCPR.

  18. anonomous says
    October 16, 2009 at 2:18 pm

    “Bonnie’s comments on KMUD were very disappointing, and simply parroted the worst of HumCPR fear mongering.”

    I listened to that show. There was no fear mongering. There was a lot of critical discussion by lots of people calling in and talking alot re: the gpu and how it will affect rural people. I really appreciated that kmud finally had on voices of people that had the facts and also shared their experiences re: how the county is proceeding.
    it’s apparent that when you heraldo can’t control the “discussion” you are the one that attacks, and try to discount through personal attack instead of listening and discussing in a rational civil way.

    People -listen to that show yourselves…..and then make up your own minds about what you just listened to…..at least you’ll be coming from an “informed”
    listen on kmuds archive for last wed oct 7th 8pm show= the civil liberties monitering show with Bonnie Blackberry and Estelle Fennell plus a boat load of callers with REAL LIFE experiences they shared re: how the county was treating them and their land re: the gpu. It was a great show and I was glad I tuned in.

  19. October 16, 2009 at 2:26 pm

    Yes, by all means listen to the angry hyperbole of that Oct. 7 show on KMUD. You can hear the clueless guy encouraging people to demand to know the salaries of supervisors — which is public information — and demanding to know where they live, which is also public.

    The best part may have been the angsty guy they allowed to go on and on who said all the redwoods in Richardson Grove were going to be cut down to allow cattle trucks through, to which Estelle replied “Mm-hmm” as if that were true. No one bothered to correct his misunderstanding, but instead seemed content to let people stew in clueless anger.

  20. Eric Kirk
    October 16, 2009 at 4:15 pm

    the public that youre referring to was all of the wealthy humboldt crowd that live in arcata……..again trying to be the ones in charge of if,how, and when rural folks should live in the country. none of them have read any of the fine print of plan a. they are just knee jerk city boutique enviro’s that have absolutely no practical experience living rurally and on the land.

    You know, I’m not indifferent to the emotional responses from landowners concerned about how the GPU may change the legal status of the land. I think that some very good points have been raised, and also some misinformed points. But this rhetoric aimed at the Arcata residents who support the more restrictive proposals is getting tiresome. Many of them have lived on the land and understand where you’re coming from, but simply view the issues differently. You do your cause better by avoiding the ad hominem crap and sticking to the issues.

  21. October 16, 2009 at 4:29 pm

    Here, watch this, it starts about 24 minutes from the start.

    Ed Voice

  22. Anonymous
    October 16, 2009 at 4:55 pm

    Amazing and amusing that someone who so tirelessly generalizes ignorantly about rural residents, Eric, finds responses to said generalizations ‘tiresome.’

    As the county/private enviro propaganda war proceeds against rural residency, you say we should avoid ad hominem crap like, oh, I don’t know, phrases like “ad hominem crap.” Got it. And for heaven’s sake don’t generalize about the ignorant generalizers. Any wonder why we don’t waste more time with this BS?

  23. Anonymous
    October 16, 2009 at 5:11 pm

    It seems that the position advocated by the Plan A crowd is pretty nonspecific and generalized. Are they for people living on their land or not? There seems to be an unwillingness to come out and address the specific outcomes of their plan. The public has a right to know on a case by case basis how the plan will affect real people. We all support a healthy environment but it seems only fair to understand exactly what is being proposed. The HumCPR side seems to be more specificly defined: Legal parcel = right to a ministerial permit period. This seems pretty straight forward and is probably why they have resonated so well with 4,000 members. At some point their sheer size will force the opposition and the planners to deal directly with their concerns. I don’t know if this will happen at 5,000 members or 10,000 but eventually it seems like there will no choice. Their growth is more than impressive it is astounding. I also like that they sent a letter to affected owners outlining some of the plan outcomes existing families will be subject to. this was a great idea and one the County should have done long ago.

  24. October 16, 2009 at 6:27 pm

    It seems that the position advocated by the Plan A crowd is pretty nonspecific and generalized.

    After listening to nearly 3 straight hours of public comment last night I disagree. Greg Blomstrom was certainly not “nonspecific.”

    why they have resonated so well with 4,000 members.

    Or maybe they’re simply scaring the shit out of people by telling them the county is scheming to “move everybody into the cities” so they can “control us and get us living into town.”

  25. anonomous says
    October 16, 2009 at 7:07 pm

    it’s a monumental waste of time to try and have rational discussions on this blog re: rural land owners and their real and genuine concerns re: how the gpu could affect their ability to live on their land.

    the people in the positions of power that will be deciding our fate are completely out of touch with reality:
    EXAMPLE- take clendenans pick for planning commish, mell crebs: CREBS said at one of the planning meetings that HE HAS TO THINK ABOUT THE FISH and in order for people to be able to have a house on their land he advocates for very large contiguous tracts of land(larger than 600 acres) and people will be able to have one house on it but it’s got to be 600 acres or more, then he DROPS AN INCREDIBLE BOMB, His whole “rational” for his epiphany he said quote” BECAUSE, SAY WHAT YOU WILL ABOUT PACIFIC LUMBER COMPANY, BUT AT LEAST THEY PROTECTED THE FISH BEHIND THEIR LOCKED GATES” wtf???


  26. Eric Kirk
    October 16, 2009 at 8:05 pm

    Amazing and amusing that someone who so tirelessly generalizes ignorantly about rural residents, Eric, finds responses to said generalizations ‘tiresome.’


  27. Eric Kirk
    October 16, 2009 at 8:06 pm

    it’s a monumental waste of time to try and have rational discussions on this blog

    You made an identical post on my blog? Which blog did you mean?

  28. October 16, 2009 at 8:07 pm

    It’s important to spread around those talking points.

  29. Lodgepole
    October 16, 2009 at 8:10 pm

    I heard HumCPR wants to force willy nilly development on us, and drink our water, thereby killing untold #’s of salmon. These folks scare the shit out of me. The county has got to do something, after all I’m scared.

  30. 421
    October 16, 2009 at 8:25 pm

    Those of us who do not believe plan a is good are aware that no matter what information we provide, it will be to no avail. We figured that out after the last election.

    At least that’s why I didn’t go. Waste of time, their minds are made up.

  31. hHAHAHA
    October 16, 2009 at 9:27 pm

    thanks for the update, i just went and joined humCPR tonight, i even donated 50 dollars. Keep up the good work! theres plenty of rural humboldt land for everyone, just aslong as the wealthy propertie owners keep subdividing so middle class folks can actualy afford to buy land for there homestead. peace be with you! and VIVA Property Rights!

    even if Alternative A passes, it will not matter cause we will still do whatever we want with our land and if you have a problem with it have fun trying to find me!

  32. October 16, 2009 at 9:32 pm

    Yes, by all means “everyone” should develop the rural land “[however] we want.” That way it will stay rural forever.

    And Humboldt will never run out of old growth.

  33. anonymous
    October 16, 2009 at 11:22 pm

    Hopefully what is clear from this discourse is that very powerful and influential interests are targeting Humboldt County for massive and relatively unimpeded growth. Strip malls and ranch houses and freeways and utter usurpation of habitat values will be little allowed in most of California during the next 20 years (get it: the “twenty year plan”) except in those rural regions with water and land and governments appropriate for old style development. That’s us, folks. That’s Arkley and his foreclosure brethren. That’s the McKay Tract. That’s Eureka, maybe. That’s a miserable future. Shame on Estelle and the rest for fomenting this effort in our midst. Kudos to folks trying to stop the Richardson Grove project, and more importantly who are attempting to pass Alt A, to make growth in our region a benefit rather than a disaster.

  34. 421
    October 17, 2009 at 6:34 am

    that very powerful and influential interests are targeting Humboldt County for massive and relatively unimpeded growth.

    I see it is not HumCPR who is fear mongering.

  35. October 17, 2009 at 7:46 am

    The twenty year plan in Cali is smart grid tech being forced into your homes, government deciding what type of tv you can buy, how much power you are allowed, gps tolling from your driveway, meters on wells, government filth going through your trash…..

    all this crap sold through the banksters and their former enron “governor” under the sheep’s wool of enviro bs.

    When government decided how you will live you have no choice- this is not the hallmark of a free society.

    As for being against the standing army- you bey I am, the Constitution forbids a standing army as a threat to Liberty. All those who swear to defend to a document they haven’t or can read are breaching the Constitution with the help of bankers.

    The only way to save ourselves is to make property tax voluntary, so you are safe home. Why should you be forced to transfer wealth to government under the threat of force? Isn’t that slavery? Something your standing army claims to defend against?

    Richardson Grove is a done deal- the 101 was listed on the Trans Texas Corridor Map as being a toll road up to Arcata, meaning transponders are on the way. Resist enviro bullshit and embrace privacy and Liberty. Government run by banksters isn’t your friend.

    I’d like to remind all you fake ass hippies to go take your flu shot asap, send some money to Al Gore- tell Tipper to ban more music, and convince yourself the “change” you voted for isn’t a complete LIE.

    If you think Larry Glass demanding you subscribe to his garbage service and let him force you to pay for him to inspect your home is bad- it’s only going to get worse if you let government trash get any more power and control.

  36. Anonymous
    October 17, 2009 at 7:50 am

    I just love right wing property right wackos. Go Black Flag!

    Down with the USA. Up with anarchy and that other stuff you talk about. Tin foil hats for everyone.

    October 17, 2009 at 8:39 am

    Agriculture nationally – when agricultural commodities (grains – futures) began trading in the stock markets, this is when agriculture began to descend into the abyss of it’s current failures, coupled with mom and pop farms being subsidized out of business by their own government who endorses big corporate conglomerates to do everything for a massive over-populated planet.

    Agriculture locally – We had better best promote because my seering envisions agriculture as the 2-part methodology to get this country back on it’s feet. There are many mouths to feed.

    The other part – production through manufacturing of alternative energy and other USEFUL goods and services.

    Consumption is a nation destroyer.

    Jeffrey Lytle
    McKinleyville – 5th District

  38. Mr. Nice
    October 17, 2009 at 12:21 pm

    So start an agricultural co-op Jeffrey.

    What about that gangster farm property by that burned out grow house attic west of Giuntoli Nursery Hospital Overstocked U-Haul Roundabout? Take that and flip it into the multi-purpose production facility for crops, crop rotation, and crop automation. Shively by the bay. Do it. Plant industrial weed in front of the street. The burned out antique emerald hippie taco truck spot was just a grow on the street with a wall in front of it, after all. If it is right to the face, people can be like hey, welcome to Arcata.

    Or make a subdivision.

  39. Reinventing the Wheel
    October 17, 2009 at 3:52 pm

    Kudos to Commissioner Kelly for outing the lies on the latest Realtor lobbyist’s flier, ala Higgons.

    Wasn’t their last flier BS as well?

    Elizabeth Conners provided actual statistics for AG lands lost to subdivisions in Humboldt County.

    The facts are becoming increasingly inconvenient for opponents of Alternative A.

  40. Cleroy
    October 17, 2009 at 4:19 pm

    Hey Black Flag, since when do anarchists cite the constitution, the document created, by,of and for my bewigged white forefathers?

  41. October 17, 2009 at 5:40 pm

    I cite the fake document for the sheep to ponder and bring them to the Light, without it they wouldn’t allow a foreign thought to breach the barricade of banksterism.

    Really, how can people cling to a document that their RULERS openly admit no longer applies to slaves?

    Hear Ye! Hear Ye! the Constitution has been suspended to allow for better profits on Wall street……the slaves cheer ’till their throats are sore.

    There must be a pebble for grasshopper to grab, or they won’t even try….

    copy this : ( Reagan Youth New Aryans ) and paste it into youtube search….. DISORDER NOW!!!!!!!!!!!

  42. October 17, 2009 at 5:42 pm

    btw- 2:21 disorder now!!!

  43. yo yo
    October 17, 2009 at 7:27 pm

    Heraldoo i didn’t say anything about old growth. what i meant is if i want to build a house or a garage on my land im still gonna do it and theres nothing anyone can do! and i guarantee it will still be rural where i live, thanks to the abundance of protected lands that are off limits to private buyers such as state / federal / blm / national forest / palco / large timber holdings and agriculture land! infact hardly any of the land left in humboldt is developable.

    But on second thought your probably right heraldo, i already got mine so what do i care if new people can live the rural lifestyle. anyhows. you folks will be feeling it pretty soon. its gonna be funny to see small towns like eureka/arcata that are so urban for there size due to infil that you will endure all the problems of urban living while having a nice view of real rural living just outside of city limits! Too bad you will be quarantined to your city sewer/septic and i will have the freedom to poop anywhere i want! Just look what urban infill has done for eureka, there used to be big lots and open areas throughout the city, infact you could probably even get away with some small family farming. Too bad urban infill turned eureka into the shithole it is today, you used to have nice victorian neighborhoods but urban infill brough new low income apartment complexed on what used to be an empty lot, and the folks who had too much front/back yard now have a second unit who is below codes and rented out to some meth heads!
    Long gone are the old days where our poorests and most druged out people were pushed away hiding among the hills far out of sight of your children or families, now they are all moving to town, turns out they arent alowed to live the way they were surviving so they have moved to eureka to join the hundreds of other poor people that have joined the system! Yes! in the future infact only right eco hippies will be alowed to live rural and only then if they drive hybrid cars and promise to atleast give riding there bike to work a honest try.

  44. yo yo
    October 17, 2009 at 7:37 pm

    hey black flag no worries, we are still trying to awake the masses. good thing is once people see it our way they can never go back to being a retarded democrate / republican, where as republicans / democrats are easily manipulated based on whatever is the agenda at the moment. Libertarians, Constitutionalist are backed by strong views on freedom / liberty and there they have a moral obligation to uphold these principles or die trying! Our force cannot be stoped in ever individual who joins our movement he/she is made into a super individual by excercing there rights and not going along with the system we work to form a decentralized revolution based on ideas and not leaders / political partys! Mark my words we are growing, the ron paul, liberty, anti-federal reserve movement is growing and we are of all likes of folks not just divided collectivist groups of people.


  45. Birdie
    October 17, 2009 at 7:54 pm

    Wow another fuck up by Scott Kelly —- Bob Higgons and Humboldt Future does not lie – Scott does. What has happened over the last 10 years is staff has labeled things 1 through 4, then changed it to A through D. Then, on their own, take the language of A and label it B. For the items that are actually left as B, the Planning Commissioners (namely SCOTT KELLY and Ralph vomit Faust do their best to change the language to A and label it B. So we are all onto you Scott – yellow belly sap sucker

  46. anonomous says
    October 18, 2009 at 8:48 am

    saw this in the redwood times:

    HumCPR mailing letters to property owners
    Redwood Times
    Posted: 09/30/2009 11:48:49 AM PDT

    Thousands of rural landowners will soon receive a letter in the mail from Humboldt Coalition for Property Rights (HumCPR) with details regarding their specific land parcels and how they will be designated in Humboldt County’s proposed General Plan Update (GPU).
    The first mailing is being sent to over 4,000 land owners whose right to build a home on their legal parcels will be severely curtailed if not eliminated outright, by proposed new restrictions on rural home building.

    The letters, which draw their information from current County databases, inform rural landowners of possible changes to their land use designations and what that may mean for their future plans. They stress that even if a parcel’s designation remains the same or similar, they may be forced to merge contiguous parcels. And the rules governing home ownership, lot line adjustments and parcel size are likely to change dramatically if County Commissioners and Supervisors move forward with a plan that would drastically alter Humboldt’s rural way of life.

    Simply put, the data in these letters and a close reading of the proposed re-vamp of the General Plan spells out in very clear terms that building a home on one’s own legal property will be a dream denied to many if proposed changes go through.

    ”This is a wake up call for rural landowners,” said Estelle Fennell, Executive Director of HumCPR, “We’re very grateful to all the supporters who volunteered time and resources to get this project in the mail so that those who cherish the rural lifestyle will have a clearer understanding of just what’s at stake for them in the GPU.”

    Commenting on the fact that, despite repeated requests, the County has failed to send out notifications of the proposed changes to Humboldt County’s resource landowners, Lee Ulansey, founder and chair of HumCPR’s Board of Directors said, “HumCPR has accomplished what the County has not. We saw the need, we did the research and got the job done. We hope this information will prove a valuable tool for county landowners and we encourage all to become involved.”

    HumCPR encourages those who do not receive a letter but would like to know their status to call 707-268-8773 or e-mail staff@humcpr.org.

    Submitted by Humboldt Coalition for Property Rights

  47. Anonymous
    October 18, 2009 at 9:17 am

    This is a great service. Thank you Lee. Now lets make it clear to everyone that Ralf Faust is nothing more than a hired gun placed in our GPU process by healthy humboldt,NEC, Hwc,Epic,Mark Lovelace, green wheels,Bonnie the Queen and the rest of the Arcata boutique enviros. Conflict of interest is the tip of the ice berg with Faust and these special interests. Add in all the poverty pimps like ms connors and then just follow the money.

  48. Anonymous
    October 18, 2009 at 8:52 pm

    If you want to see how the GPU would really affect your parcel, check out the instructions on the Healthy Humboldt “Myths and Facts” handout at http://www.healthyhumboldt.org/docs/MythvsFact.pdf

    TO SEE YOUR PARCEL’S current zoning, as well as proposed zoning under the Plan Options, go to http://gis.co.humboldt.ca.us/ and click on
    General Plan Update. Search by parcel number or address. Then click on the Alternatives to see the zoning proposed under A, B, C, and D.

    Get the facts people! Most SoHum parcels with existing structures (permitted or not) are being proposed for rezoning from various Ag zoning to Rural Residential.

  49. Ed
    October 18, 2009 at 9:07 pm

    Thanks anon, I got the info straight from the county and found that my rural parcel allows even more activities than I assumed.

  50. Not from Arcata
    October 18, 2009 at 9:14 pm

    Also check out Healthy Humboldt’s Forest Resources policy summary at http://www.healthyhumboldt.org/docs/HHForestResourcesFactsheet.pdf

    It says:

    Healthy Humboldt supports a low‐cost, voluntary process for legalizing existing
    non‐permitted residences on Timber Production Zone (TPZ) lands which comply with feasible
    standards for safety and forest ecosystem protection.

    October 19, 2009 at 8:50 am

    Some points that are important in this issue:

    #1. All existing parcels of land which are currently zoned other than commercial or industrial should be able to keep their residences if they have one. Prescriptive Rights occur when “no direct” contract exists with property owners. Therefore, if you have been paying taxes on your home which was built years ago without a permit, then guess what, if the County has not filed with the County Recorder a “special document” within a certain time frame, then Humboldt County has essentially admitted that through taxation, an open and notorious situation has been observed which corroborates the authenticity of that taxpayers’ prescriptive rights. Laws and direct contracts are vastly different when it comes to legal prescription.


    #2. All existing parcels of land which are currently zoned other than commercial or industrial should allow that property owner to be able to build a main residence to be able to live on the land they own, unless that property owner has already signed an agreement stating that to do such would conflict with a previous agreement to not be able to build.

    #3. Humboldt County MUST identify each and every property (APN #) as to what it’s disclosures are – a property can or can’t be developed; a property can or can’t have a house on it, a property can or can’t have lot line adjustments, property line splits, streamside management areas, drainage easements, infrastructure improvements (roads, sewer, water, services), flight easements for air crafts, noise easements, geo-technical studies, EIR’s, Negative Declarations, etc…. Remember, Humboldt County Supervisors voted and approved that this would be done – “Full Disclosure.

    #4. Are resource lands to be maintained as “human needs resource lands”; or, are resource lands inevitably going to be preservation areas? This 2-part question is important because when we discuss “maintaining resource lands”, the question becomes who is maintaining resource lands? Is it an ever diminishing list of younger generation citizens who want nothing to do with agricultural, outside work which dirties finger nails; or, will government inevitably hire people to do the work; or, will property owners outsource all maintenance to logging companies and timber fellers?

    #4. Taxes – Why pay taxes on something valued above and beyond what your uses of that property will be? In other words, for TPZ land, say you own 640 acres, no homes, no illegal development, etc. has occurred, then the agreed upon tax break you get is because you have a resource property which has standing resources, but not yet harvested. When harvested, all those deferred taxes become due and payable immediately. This agreement is a good one with an emphasis on promoting the resource land to stay a resource land. There is no reason why a TPZ landowner can’t pay increased taxes for a home to serve as a main residence with one additional unit (M.I.L. or caretaker) located in a pre-determined portion of the resource property which will have little to zero affect on culturing the resources. One still has to have yearly maintained roads even without a house in order to be able to access, manage, maintain and harvest that resource.

    #5. This issue is like so many others which are procreated by bureaucrats – they fail to enforce existing laws so that controversies arise in the minds of those who don’t know better (those who fail to realize that existing laws will do the job quite nicely if entertained), who then expect something to be done without realizing it should have already been done; then, those who are supposed to be enforcing standards and laws, use the situation to create “conspiratorial type” issues to be able to create more laws and standards which, btw, skews the issue even further.

    Voters, wake-up – it does not matter what side of this issue you are on because both sides are being played by elected officials against each other! This is how “modern day governance” operates – playing the citizenry against each other. Again, wake-up!

    Jeffrey Lytle
    McKinleyville – 5th District

  52. Anonymous
    October 19, 2009 at 9:53 am

    Jeffrey, my friend, you should do a little research on the GPU.

    #1: There is little disagreement that existing structures should be somehow grandfathered in (excluding tree forts and converted drying sheds). However, the GPU is about FUTURE development.

    #2: The only “existing” parcels that would not be allowed to have houses built under the current proposal in Alt. A are on TPZ ownerships of more than 5,000 acres, or on land under Williamson Act contract (both are tax reductions in exchange for giving up certain development rights. These are the ONLY lands that are being proposed to have a limit of 1 house per 600 acres.

    #3: Disclosure of whether a parcel is buildable or not should be the job of the title companies; as it stands, they won’t tell you that unless you pay extra, nor with the realtors.

    #4: The current proposal is that for parcels over 160, you could stay in TPZ AND build a house IF you are actually managing the forest (and can show how you are managing it).

    #5: ummm…I guess I don’t know what to say to that one.

    October 19, 2009 at 10:57 am

    Anonymous @ 9:53am,

    My research thus far has led to the emphasises being posted in my last comment in numeric/bulletin form. Nice try though at political defamation of character.

    #1. No final arrangement or decision has been made to mitigate (if necessary) current conditions of existing homes – permitted or not. If there is little disagreement as you say, then Planning Commissioners and Supervisors should just come out and clear the air about grandfathering – by vote. Afterall, then and now are different when it comes to “new developments, additions, repairs, remodeling, abatement of nuisances, etc…”. If an existing user is required to amend it’s use (a house including any and/or all it’s attached fixtures), then grandfathering may or may not be true by historical definition. Also, when zoning classifications are changed during the tenure of a property owner, grandfathering becomes that much more difficult due to side issues that get created that apply toward the bigger issue (issues within an issue, sts)

    #2. Again, all parcels (even 5000+ acres) should be able to have a house. Why is it so bad to have a house on such a large parcel out in the middle of nowhere if you can afford it?

    #3. Again, County Supervisors took on a conjoinment of the responsibility of “full disclosure” when they decided to create a “local law” requiring “all properties within Humboldt County to have full disclosure”. Therefore, County officials better get to work in order to complete the task of identification, uses and reality of all properties within Humboldt County for which Realtors CANNOT REALISTICLY ANSWER – a realtor can’t answer something they are not privy toward or are not getting a clear answer in writing from public agencies with regard to zoned uses for that property being represented in a sale.

    Also, a title Company is not responsible for creation by laws and ordinances what can and can’t be done on a property. A Title Company is an insurer protecting a property and it’s legal uses, even though Title Companies too break recording laws and breach their own processes when it comes to amending title reports and coverages. Also, think about the existing and tenured property owners who have had zoning reclassifications conducted unbeknownst to them which may or may not get cleared up at the Title Company that insures that particular parcel – another mess created by bad bureaucracy.

    #4. Again, size of TPZ parcel and having a home should not matter. Management of a resource land can vary. Simply not cutting down the timber so as to harvest it later is simple management that can’t be denied or argued – Mother Nature has worked along this type of management and it is proven to work. Now, working plans for road usages and drainage would be a good thing so that when harvest time comes along years later, a HUGE FINANCIAL AND ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT would not be associated with developing “new roads” to gain access to the resources being harvested. I would think property owners/managers would agree that letting access go unmaintained over the years will be more costly and environmentally degrading than if maintenance were to be practiced routinely.

    #5. So, do you,

    A. agree.

    B. disagree

    C. agree and disagree

    Jeffrey Lytle
    McKinleyville – 5th District

  54. H.R
    October 20, 2009 at 10:04 pm

    1. To rebut an earlier argument, It seems that it is actually harder to prove that you are not managing your timber. Having timber and letting it grow is in fact management.
    2. Those who argue against small parcels of TPZ lands are arguing for corporate forestry at the expense of community forestry.
    3. I have demonstrated in my research that wherever local, on site management of woodlands by small woodland owners has been limited or discouraged, the communities in those areas have suffered disenfranchisement and economic suffering at the expense of large remote owners and a disinterested political system.
    4. If you want to kill the viability of locally controlled North coast communities, support option A.

  55. June 19, 2011 at 12:27 pm

    I wonder that what Bonnie Blackberry said should be accounted immediately as falsehood, when it seems to me that she was just putting the intentions of urbanization into the wrong mouths, claiming that it’s the county, not the state or country. It’s quite clear that the general idea for redevelopment of the country is to urbanize people so that they can be regulated and kept to fit a type of “no household left behind” or “Smart city” mold. It’s certainly easier to oversee people when they are all in town, and there’s certainly motive to do so, but that motive may very well be wrongly described as one that the county has.

    But, honestly, I’m horrified at the though of more urbanization and specialization of land than we have now. We pillage leagues of farmland in some areas to supply food for far away cities of commence size without the means to maintain the land, those means will only be met by a reintegration of people with the ecology, not by more denial and exploration of our planet-home.

    Replying to:
    “* Grover said he was speaking on behalf of Bonnie Blackberry of the Civil Liberties Monitoring Project, who peddled some scary falsehoods during a KMUD talk show on October 7, saying the county intended to “move everybody into the cities” so they can “control us and get us living into town.”

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