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Kuhnel campaign kick-off Wednesday

[Announcement.]

SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS JOIN 3RD WARD EUREKA CITY COUNCIL CANDIDATE RON KUHNEL IN HIS CAMPAIGN KICKOFF

What: Campaign kickoff
When: Noon, Wednesday Aug. 25
Where: In front of World Cup Café, 1626 F Street, north of Wabash

EUREKA – In a demonstration of local small business support for 3rd Ward Eureka City Council candidate Ron Kuhnel, the owners of World Cup Café, Daugherty Violin Shop and Brick & Fire Bistro are welcoming Ron’s campaign kickoff in front of their businesses at a ceremony planned for noon on Wednesday, Aug. 25.

The public is invited to join dozens of Ron’s supporters as he formally announces his candidacy and discusses his ideas to improve the relationship between city government and small businesses, restore full funding to the police and fire departments, promote economic development, clean up Eureka’s neighborhoods and identify solutions for the city’s budget problems.

World Cup café, Daugherty Violin Shop and Brick & Fire Bistro storefronts are located in the 1600 block of F Street in Eureka, north of Wabash. Lunch and snacks will be served at World Cup café after the ceremony.

Ron Kuhnel, a 12-year resident of Ward 3, is chairman of the Eureka Planning Commission, member of the Transportation Commission, former president of the Eureka Heritage Society, vice president of Keep Eureka Beautiful and an active board member of various other Eureka civic organizations.

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  1. tenth street dreamer
    August 23, 2010 at 9:47 pm

    This is a guy that will make a great councilman. His easy going way and understanding of city government make him the logical choice. He knows most of city staff and and knows the ins and outs of the planning department. He will be a great asset with the upcoming balloon tract development. Being retired, he also has the time to devote to the city’s pressing issues. You won’t be getting a part time councilperson.

  2. High Finance
    August 23, 2010 at 10:06 pm

    This is odd, but I have never heard of World Cup Cafe, Daughterty Violin Shop or Brick & Fire Bistro until reading this article.

  3. the reasonable anonymous
    August 23, 2010 at 10:12 pm

    Hifi,

    As the article says, they’re on the 1600 Block of F Street, North of Wabash. It’s not a real heavily-traveled area, only a few businesses clustered there among mostly residences.

    I don’t know about the other two, but I believe World Cup has been there for a number of years…well-known in the neighborhood, but not to all that many folks outside the neighborhood.

  4. August 23, 2010 at 10:19 pm

    Several campaign events have happened at World Cup in the last few months. HiFi probably read about them here.

  5. August 23, 2010 at 11:35 pm

    World cup has been popular, particularly for Jeff Leonard and Bonnie Neely this year

  6. Andrew Bird
    August 24, 2010 at 4:25 am

    There is a lot of enthusiasm for Ron’s campaign. Everybody join us for the kickoff on Wednesday.

  7. Will He
    August 24, 2010 at 6:21 am

    get permits or still try to hide things out on the island. another rich guy buying his way and forcing his agenda.

  8. Anonymous
    August 24, 2010 at 6:53 am

    I have eaten at Brick and Fire Bistro and it is very nice. It is the restaurant that followed F Street Cafe. You’re missing out if you haven’t discovered this cute little place.

  9. August 24, 2010 at 7:46 am

    There used to be a Mexican restaurant there, too, a few years ago. It didn’t last long.

    I haven’t been to World Cup or Brick and Fire but they do seem like quaint little neighborhood places when I drive by there.

  10. Goldie
    August 24, 2010 at 8:15 am

    World Cup is always a friendly place visit. The coffee is always fresh and the people are always entertaining. it is great to have a place to walk to in the area.

  11. anonymous
    August 24, 2010 at 8:25 am

    There is a lot of enthusiasm for Ron’s campaign? Really?? He will still have to navigate through the problem of being on record against the 3 biggest issues the majority of voters are for:

    1. Development and clean up of the Balloon Track by it’s present owner.

    2. Keeping the Zoo open

    3. Keeping council and mayor elections city-wide.

    He is on record and film testifying against those popular positions. Then we have the little fiasco of him building on Indian Island without a permit. Very sharp move, right? Especially with him being on the planning commission and all. NOT!!

    Ron appears to be easy going and moderate, however he has long held the opinion he is the smartest guy around which leaves him lacking when it comes to listening to the opinions of others.

    I will grant you he is popular here, on this blog and with the usual proggies, but this blog does not an election make. You folks haven’t been listening. My guess is it will be a clean sweep in the Fall because Larry Glass suffers from the same tin ear ego that Ron and Xandra do.

    Xandra’s most remembered quote is about closing the mill because it was “stinky”. Now, there’s a real popular view. What kind of person complains about a 100 year old business that offered good paying jobs that employees depended on to feed their families? Well, she got her wish and now Eureka “poops along” (her words for this community she supposedly loves) because there are no jobs and no businesses willing to gamble on locating here.

    All the hype about Xandra, Ron et al being for small business is hogwash. None of the above have ever attended a Chamber mixer. None of the above ever venture into businesses that have been here for a long time. They only frequent the businesses they approve of most of which are small niche places offering minimum wage to their employees. Having an inability to embrace all businesses here is not my idea of representation.

    I think the voting public sees through the hype and won’t be voting for those that want to pick and choose our shopping choices for us.

  12. Andrew Bird
    August 24, 2010 at 8:43 am

    Ron has never stated he opposes the Marina Center or wants to close the zoo. I don’t recall reading any polling that suggests Eureka residents are against a true ward system.

  13. Anonymous
    August 24, 2010 at 8:56 am

    The Eureka Chamber of Commerce has never put small business first. It’s always been about the b i g boys.

  14. non-partisan
    August 24, 2010 at 9:05 am

    On the subject of the Chamber of Commerce, most chambers raise their own money. This one sucks off
    the city. I haven’t seen anything they have done for
    business.

    On the subject of Ron Kuhnel, he seems to be in everything and has accomplished nothing.

  15. High Finance
    August 24, 2010 at 9:29 am

    The Chamber receives more than half of its funding from dues paid by members.

    Less than half comes from the city from part of the city’s bed tax revenues from tourists. The chamber uses all of the bed tax money & a lot of the membership dues for tourism outreach. This outreach supports Greater Eureka area businesses only.

    The chamber’s overhead is paid fully by the membership dues.

    The Visitors & Convention Bureau gets a hell of a lot more bed tax money from the city than does the chamber. However, the bureau pushes all county businesses from Willow Creek to Garberville. With the chamber, 100% of the city’s contribution benefits Eureka. With the Bureau, Eureka tax dollars are being used to support many businesses outside of Eureka.

  16. Anonymous
    August 24, 2010 at 10:19 am

    That money should all go to the vistors center which does NOT use tax money to lobby local government.

  17. Jean
    August 24, 2010 at 10:49 am

    When you drive into Eureka and see the bums overrunning the place one has to ask, what good is the Chamber of Commerce or the Visitors Center.

  18. Anonymous
    August 24, 2010 at 10:52 am

    No tax money is used by the Chamber of Commerce to lobby anyone. It strictly goes to staffing the visitor outreach to increase tourism which produces more Occupancy tax money. It’s a fee for service thing with the City.

  19. Anonymous
    August 24, 2010 at 10:55 am

    I don’t get the connection or your point Jean. How are the Bums connected to the Chamber of Commerce?

  20. Anonymous
    August 24, 2010 at 11:04 am

    The campaign kick-off should be a lot more fun than we Eurekans usually have at political gatherings. And for a great candidate in a very nice neighborhood setting. See you there!

  21. High Finance
    August 24, 2010 at 11:33 am

    10.19am, are your reading comprehension skills lacking or do you just not want to even listen. No tax dollars are spent on lobbying.

  22. non-partisan
    August 24, 2010 at 12:52 pm

    High Finance is correct. Kissing ass doesn’t count.
    A question was asked what does the chamber have to do
    with the bums. The chamber is right across the street
    from the Serenity Inn. They did nothing to stop the
    problem. If they didn’t notice 450 police calls, I
    would be afraid to have them cross the street by
    themselves. This chamber like the Old Town representative are a sorry group, totally ineffective. I vote for the Visitor’s Center and the
    city should go after funds from the other cities.

  23. Anonymous
    August 24, 2010 at 3:06 pm

    I’m sorry but I don’t understand your point n-p. What is it that you are suggesting the Chamber employees do about the problems at the Serenity Inn? I don’t think they’re referring tourists over there if that’s what you mean.

  24. Anonymous
    August 24, 2010 at 3:24 pm

    10:52, so the Chamber is just another vendor who happens to pay for lobbying the city? Business as usual then?

  25. High Finance
    August 24, 2010 at 3:32 pm

    The Chamber doesn’t pay to lobby. But their job is to lobby for the businesses of Eureka.

  26. Anonymous
    August 24, 2010 at 3:53 pm

    …and to control city government…

  27. Anonymous
    August 24, 2010 at 4:00 pm

    …to control city government. How funny. But really- what color is the sky on your planet?

  28. Anonymous
    August 24, 2010 at 4:03 pm

    Ron is a nice guy that will end up in second behind New man. Xandra may well challenge Ron for second. They both are going for the same voting block, are they not?

  29. tenth street dreamer
    August 24, 2010 at 5:59 pm

    So I must have missed how Ron Kuhnel and the chamber are so connected. Is he mentioning the chamber in any public forum. Maybe some of you got distracted.

  30. Anonymous
    August 24, 2010 at 6:28 pm

    Xandra must think Louis Pasteur was an idiot for developing the process of heating milk that has saved the lives of untold thousands of children. I hold a lower opinion of her medical knowledge than she does. How she combines a laissez-faire attitude toward food safety with a city planner’s desire for control, I don’t know.

  31. anonymous
    August 24, 2010 at 7:00 pm

    Andrew Bird, enjoy that kool-aid. People who pay attention are well aware of where Ron Stands on many issues.

    As for the “true ward system”, you really need to get out of your covey of sycophants. That bird don’t fly. Very few folks want to give up the ability to vote for all five council members. I don’t think you can sell the public on what a great deal it would be for them to have only one vote every four years. I know it sounds good to you guys who want to control the process in order to get your people in, but that turnip truck you were counting on already went through town and no one fell off.

  32. Plain Jane
    August 24, 2010 at 7:05 pm

    Yeah, because letting people choose their own representatives is so undemocratic. Maybe we should abolish districts and let the whole state vote for all state representatives and the whole country vote for all congress members.

  33. anonymous
    August 24, 2010 at 7:10 pm

    tenth street dreamer-Newman is the one connected to the Chamber and visitors center. At the last city council meeting he acted tough about getting Serenity Inn to behave. It was Larry Glass that put it on the agenda because of neighboring business and residents complaints. Name one positive thing the Chamber has done for Eureka. I dare anyone to name just one thing. Driving into this city is a nightmare. You would think the Chamber would know that this scene is bad for business and the whole city. I guess all the talk about the locals being backward is true, they probably don’t know the difference.

  34. non-partisan
    August 24, 2010 at 8:00 pm

    3:06: The Chamber could have talked to Garr Neilsen
    and then could have taken it to a city council person
    to put before the city. They are a useless group.
    They could have with the help of our useless mayor
    started a campaign to clean up this city. More people
    would shop in Old Town if they felt comfortable.
    Instead the Chamber has meetings about the homeless
    and does nothing.

  35. High Finance
    August 24, 2010 at 9:15 pm

    The Chamber can’t do anything but lobby the city council about the Serenity Inn. The Chamber doesn’t have a vote.

    But Glass does. Glass did nothing about the Serenity Inn mess for four years. Then four weeks before the elections he panders & postures in front of the cameras. After election day, win or lose, Larry’s neglect will resume.

  36. Anonymous
    August 24, 2010 at 9:20 pm

    The facts will show most of the calls did not happen because of Serenity Inn. You are making stuff up and that place is very very important to some good people.

  37. August 24, 2010 at 9:21 pm

    four weeks before the elections

    Four weeks? HiFi counts as precisely as he casts baseless allegations.

  38. Anonymous
    August 24, 2010 at 9:21 pm

    Go pick on the Rescue Mission.

  39. The Monitor
    August 24, 2010 at 10:00 pm

    Newman/chamber, They have always had fun at those back slapping member meetings, oh and the mixers, pretty good finger food. What do they really do? What credits are in their ledger? I am sure the list is impressive and warrants the money given them by the city each year. They do get free digs across from the Serenity Inn. But then, what visitor would try to cross over to the chamber parking lot while driving north on Broadway. So really the visitor center is only serving visitors driving south, on their way out of town. Very strategic. I am sure Newman tried to prevail with a more responsive chamber in mind. Any bets?

  40. Pete
    August 24, 2010 at 10:14 pm

    The Serenity Inn is not the only embarrassing thing on the 101. What about all the motels that are made into housing for the homeless. Yeah, Eureka really struts it’s stuff. What is the purpose of the Chamber of Commerce? Is there one? Other towns have attractive visitors centers that do not have a parade of homeless and toothless druggies. Lots of taxes missed on these motel flop houses.

  41. taxed
    August 24, 2010 at 10:24 pm

    Hi Fi you say the Chamber of Commerce could have lobbied the city council about the crap going on on 101? Then why haven’t they? Why does it take a Chamber/visitors center member so long to make a peep? Funny the one that makes any noise is running for office.

  42. Anonymous
    August 24, 2010 at 11:08 pm

    Yes, Eureka and the 101 corridor. No other towns know
    how to showcase their ex-cons and druggies like
    Eureka. Our Chamber of Commerce does a wonderful
    job. Commerce? Could that mean the importation of
    destitute visitors from out of state? Commerce means
    exchange of materials, products etc. We are receiving
    more and more homeless for (FREE) services. This seems
    to be the only business Eureka knows. No wonder our
    Chamber and visitor center stink. Welfare mongering
    is all they know.

  43. Jean
    August 24, 2010 at 11:16 pm

    As I heard it there were over 400 calls to the Serenity Inn. This is not made up. Watch the last city council meeting.

  44. Anonymous
    August 24, 2010 at 11:25 pm

    The welcome sign approaching town on 101 could
    use a paint job or cleaning. Visitor Center yoo hoo!
    You know the one? Going North.

  45. truth
    August 25, 2010 at 12:55 am

    Anonymous 9:20 you are ignorant or a liar. If you are ignorant than watch the broadcast of the last city council meeting. The majority of the calls were at The Serenity Inn. Otherwise quit lying.

  46. Anonymous
    August 25, 2010 at 9:40 am

    Jean, AS you HEARD it was a LIE.

  47. Anonymous
    August 25, 2010 at 11:14 am

    If you want to hear what Ron has to say, go listen to him present his ideas today at noon.

  48. non-partisan
    August 25, 2010 at 12:13 pm

    Larry Glass was not aware of the full extent of
    the problems at the Serenity Inn until recently.
    The neighborhood had been going through neighborhood
    watch and the people from the police department that
    represent neighborhood watch. The full facts came
    out when the police report was obtained. If you want
    to finger point look at the Redevelopment Department
    that loaned them the money to purchase 6 buildings on
    the West Side. At no time did they follow up with
    the Alcohol/Drug Care Services, Inc. At no time did
    they coordinate with the old reign in the police
    department to see if there was a problem. The Redevelopment Dept. along with the Chamber of Commerce should be flushed along with the rest of
    the sewage in this town.

  49. Anonymous
    August 25, 2010 at 1:03 pm

    Ok- so you don’t like small business owners or the organization that represents them. Why would you refer to this group of people as sewage though? That’s a lot of hate to spout for someone who claims to be the non-partisan.

  50. The Monitor
    August 25, 2010 at 1:36 pm

    They ‘say’ they represent small business, but I see little of it. What they have going are cushy little jobs that do very little for the community. The city should sell the property they are on and pay off a little debt. That would also mean a tax paying business would probably be located there. What a concept. That is a win-win idea.

  51. tenth street dreamer
    August 25, 2010 at 1:40 pm

    If you didn’t attend Ron’s kick-off you missed a lot of good ideas for our community. He is going to be a great council person. He has more experience in the public arena than any one of the also rans.

  52. High Finance
    August 25, 2010 at 2:33 pm

    The Chamber has almost 600 businesses as members Monitor and “non” partisan. I would say that is a pretty good representation of small businesses in Eureka, especially considering the recession.

    Their job is represent the best interests of businesses in Eureka. Sometimes that means the anti business people of the left gets upset. Big whoop.

  53. non-partisan
    August 25, 2010 at 4:01 pm

    High Finance: I have never indicated I am against
    business. I actually relish business. I am against
    incompetent people. Old Town is a mess. Advertising
    in tourist magazines is poor. If the Chamber was
    competent they would be pushing for manufacturing
    parks and the like. They would be using the Ca.
    Manufacturing book to lure business here. That we
    have no transportation is bull. Empty trucks leave
    here every day. If the Chamber and the representative
    of Old Town had it together, there would be all sorts
    of festivals, the town would be clean. Not every city
    is suffering from the “recession”. If you have ever
    been out of Eureka H.F., you would know that.

  54. armchair watcher
    August 25, 2010 at 4:04 pm

    Hi Fi have you ever been out of Eureka? This town is far from a success story. The Chamber has done a piss poor job. You should hear what people from out of town have to say about Eureka.

  55. Anonymous
    August 25, 2010 at 4:05 pm

    Everyone gets to have their opinion though. Informed or not. It’s a free country.

  56. Anonymous
    August 25, 2010 at 4:58 pm

    Is there anything that “non-partisan” is not against? We see an attack on old town, an attack on the Chamber of Commerce, attacks on those that are in office now, and attacks on those running for office.

    A constant stream of negative comments. I can only think of one person who has appeared in front of city council many times who sounds like this. But then maybe I am wrong and it is someone else with same belligerent attitude.

  57. Anonymous
    August 25, 2010 at 5:15 pm

    non partisan has a lot to gripe about. In case you have not noticed this town is
    f u c k e d up.

  58. tenth street dreamer
    August 25, 2010 at 5:33 pm

    There is very little promotion of Old Town by the chamber. I am not sure why that is, seeing many businesses in OT are members. I don’t think Mr. Hockaday knows a lot about the district. It is the Visitors and Convention Bureau that promotes Old Town the most aggressively. Main Street is supposed to be doing it. They used to be a lot more pro-active, but outside of Arts Alive you don’t hear much from them.

    What did Newman do at the chamber that gives him credentials to be a councilman?

  59. armchair watcher
    August 25, 2010 at 7:15 pm

    If this is his calling card (an inept chamber) it is a definite minus not a plus.

  60. High Finance
    August 25, 2010 at 7:34 pm

    Since none of you own businesses, none of you live out of the area to see what advertising the Chamber has done, since none of you have ever volunteered your time to be on the Chamber board & since none of you have ever had a discussion with Jay Hockaday as to what the Chamber is doing….

    …. that means none of you are qualified to call the Chamber inept or anything else for that matter or to judge the chamber at all.

    You’re all talking through your hat & showing your biases & nothing else.

  61. you don't know
    August 25, 2010 at 8:14 pm

    Hi Fi- you do not know if anyone has or has not been a chamber member or is a business owner. You have no idea who travels and what one sees. How do you think we form opinions? Some of us may have higher standards than some backwater imbeciles that you may find on the North Coast. When things are improperly run, such as Eureka it is upsetting to those that know that there is a better ways to run a town.

  62. Andrew Bird
    August 25, 2010 at 8:21 pm

    Ditto tenth street dreamer in his comments about Ron’s campaign kickoff. Ron has concrete solutions for getting Eureka through it’s budget crisis, economic development, protecting neighborhoods and making City Hall more efficient and responsive. He will be talking about these a lot in the coming weeks. A lot of people turned out for his kickoff this afternoon; there is a buzz of excitement about his candidacy. Some of the proposals he spelled out in his platform speech are really innovative. Wait until you hear more about them.

  63. MarinaCenter
    August 25, 2010 at 9:00 pm

    What is Ron’s view on the Marina Center? Yes or no? Mike Newman is a yes, Xandra a no and Ron? Or is he going to play the “I want full clean up” game the proggies will have trouble with?

    Larry Glass: No on the Marina Center. No on Glass.

    Marian Brady: Yes on Marina Center. Yes on Brady.

    Frank Jager: Yes on Marina Center. Yes on Frank.

    Peter LaValle: No on Marina Center. No on Peter.

    Virginia Bass: Yes on Marina Center. Yes on Virginia.

    Bonnie Neely: No on Marina Center. No on Bonnie.

    Pat Cleary: No on Marina Center. No on Pat.

    Ryan Sundberg: Yes on Marina Center. Yes on Ryan.

    With nearly an 80% approval rating around Humboldt for the Marina Center project, these candidates can ride the Marina train. And all the proggies can do is duc and weave.

    This election is cut and dried. Follow their views. Make them answer. For or against the Marina project. Yes or No!

  64. Anonymous
    August 25, 2010 at 9:21 pm

    Black and white thinking is for the simple-minded.

  65. Pitchfork
    August 25, 2010 at 9:47 pm

    Who really gives a shit about the Marina Center? I think it’s just a small vocal group of Arkley worshipers that think its so important. The rest of us just want to see something happen there. So it not going to be the deciding factor in this election. I think Public safety funding is a much bigger issue for Eurekans!

  66. tenth street dreamer
    August 25, 2010 at 9:59 pm

    This nonsense about Larry Glass not wanting the Marina center. He voted with the rest of the council to move the project forward by agreeing to put it on the ballot and let people way in. I know you will find Larry will put a lot of weight on how that vote turns out. The legal part of this project is now before the CCC and it will be their vote that determines what will happen next. It is out of the council’s hands. There will be a determination on what clean-up plan will be required for it to move ahead, so it will be in SN’s hands at that point, and what they decide to do will determine how the project progresses from there. It is a RED HERRING to tie this issue to Larry, or Ron for that matter.
    Climate change may cause the oceans to rise and the balloon tract would be under water, opps, no Marina Center. Larry or Ron’s fault?
    This is a very complex project and many many agencies and SN will weigh in before it takes final shape or fails. So you see that Newman or Brady will have very little to do with the outcome of the marina center at this point. They can sing it’s praises till the cows come home and it has no bearing on whether it will ever be built or not.

  67. Andrew Bird
    August 26, 2010 at 7:13 am

    I’ve never heard Peter LaVallee say he opposes the Marina Center. I’ve heard him talk a lot about what he likes about the proposal.

    I agree with those who say the Marina Center is not much of an issue in this campaign. I mean, what do you think is more of a priority to Eurekans: Having functional police and fire departments and safe neighborhoods or building the Marina Center?

    As a Eureka resident my biggest concerns are finding solutions to the city’s budget problem, developing long-term economic growth, making our police and fire departments whole again, making our neighborhoods safer, developing an achievable plan to deal with homelessness, making City Hall more efficient and user-friendly, and protecting the environment.

  68. High Finance
    August 26, 2010 at 8:22 am

    Well then Andrew, where does LaVallee stand on the Marina Center? This is an important issue that has been debated endlessly for years. Surely LaVallee has an opinion on it & the voters deserve to know what it is.

    The police & fire departments are funded by city government. City government is largely funded by sales tax revenue. The Marina Center promises to increase the sales tax revenue to the city.

    And that is how people who are interested in “making our police and fired departments whole again” are also interested in the Marina Center.

  69. Andrew Bird
    August 26, 2010 at 8:51 am

    I don’t believe Eurekans see the Marina Center as a cure-all for the city’s problems. That is several years down the road, minimum.

    I believe voters want achievable solutions to Eureka’s budget problems and their fire and police departments made whole now.

  70. High Finance
    August 26, 2010 at 9:02 am

    Nothing in the world is a cure-all for the city problems. But the Marina Center will help contribute to the financial well being of the city.

    But, you said “you never heard LaVallee say he was opposed to the Marina Center” in response to the 9pm post by MarinaCenter who said he was.

    Don’t weasel out, is LaVallee opposed to the MC or is he in favor?

  71. Plain Jane
    August 26, 2010 at 9:26 am

    “The Marina Center promises to increase the sales tax revenue to the city.”

    Impossible to deliver promises.

  72. Plain Jane
    August 26, 2010 at 9:30 am

    Isn’t making impossible promises a type of lie?

  73. Plain Jane
    August 26, 2010 at 9:34 am

    What does the rest of the county think about the Marina Center taking away their business? The city council was outraged that the county didn’t ask their approval of Ridgewood Village because it could negatively impact Eureka businesses, but are using the negative impact on other towns and their businesses as a selling point for the Marina Center?

  74. Time to get real
    August 26, 2010 at 10:33 am

    Does robbing Peter to pay Paul make any sense? So if a Lowes or home depot sells $10,000 worth of product and their customers would have otherwise bought the same thing from a local building outlet where is the net gain? Does the sales tax dollars go up for the city or stay the same? This is not rock science folks. If the local stores have to lay off people because the big guy takes their business, where is the net gain? Give me a good answer for this for this conundrum. I am waiting Hi Fi.

  75. Plain Jane
    August 26, 2010 at 10:41 am

    Another point that needs to be made. If an item does cost less at Home Depot than a local hardware store, the sales tax is also less.

  76. Anonymous
    August 26, 2010 at 10:45 am

    I’d be interested to see any sales tax statistics from Crescent City comparing pre Home Depot to post Home Depot. Plain Janes makes sense to me.

  77. High Finance
    August 26, 2010 at 12:13 pm

    I have made this point before. But it is open to debate if Home Depot simply robs sales from the county as a whole and the net gain is zero. I disagree, but I can see the point of those who argue that case.

    What is not open for real debate is that a Home Depot will increase sales for the city of Eureka. In other words, a significant portion of its sales will come from residents of Arcata, Mckinleyville & Fortuna.

    Since I am an Eurekan, that is good news for me.

  78. Plain Jane
    August 26, 2010 at 12:48 pm

    Not just consumer dollars but jobs as well. Within a few years after a big box opens, there is a net loss of jobs because they have fewer employees per sales. They don’t create any new money, they just take sales from other stores (inside of Eureka and surrounding towns) and ship the profits back to headquarters. They don’t sell local products either which further damages the economy.

  79. High Finance
    August 26, 2010 at 12:56 pm

    Once again, MAYBE you are right if you take the county as a whole. But when you look at Eureka only, it is still a gain for Eureka.

    But if you are right that their prices are higher than local prices are now, that affect may be exaggerated. Remember Pay & Pak that used to be where the Broadway Cinema is now?

  80. MarinaCenter
    August 26, 2010 at 1:32 pm

    Identified from zip codes from sales at Home Depot from Humboldt County residents buying at Redding, Crescent City and Ukiah: Nearly 7 million dollars not being spent locally! We need these dollars here! Why do think Home Depot is still pursuing this project!

    When Pay n Pak went out of business, the big hammer upped their prices overnight. I was one of those gouged by Peirson’s and I am sure others will step forward and verify.

  81. Plainer Jane
    August 26, 2010 at 1:35 pm

    Just keep it simple when asking candidates: “Are you for or against the Marina Center project?”

  82. Anonymous
    August 26, 2010 at 1:42 pm

    The simple answer is Follow the Law and Clean it Up First.

  83. Anonymous
    August 26, 2010 at 2:05 pm

    Identified from zip codes from sales at Home Depot from Humboldt County residents buying at Redding, Crescent City and Ukiah: Nearly 7 million dollars not being spent locally! We need these dollars here! Why do think Home Depot is still pursuing this project!

    The sales tax revenue Eureka would realize on $7 million is not very impressive after you do the math. An industrial park at the same site would generate two or three times that amount, plus provide jobs that pay enough so workers can buy homes here. Home Depot isn’t going to do that.

    I doubt if Home Depot looks at that $7 million in sales as very impressive either. I’m not sure it makes sense for Home Depot to build a store in Eureka when there are stores on all the major routes in and out of the county. Not in this economy.

  84. Plain Jane
    August 26, 2010 at 2:53 pm

    “Why do think Home Depot is still pursuing this project!”

    What makes you think they are? Because a bunch of proven liars say they are?

  85. Anonymous
    August 26, 2010 at 3:25 pm

    I think Home Depot has already bailed and SN is going to spring a Wal Mart on us if Measure N passes.

  86. Anonymous
    August 26, 2010 at 3:55 pm

    Measure “N” is indeed a Trojan Horse. Hiding inside may well be a WalMart.

  87. Anonymous
    August 26, 2010 at 3:56 pm

    Hopefully we will have three progressives on the City Council who will pass a big box review ordinance to stop it.

  88. High Finance
    August 26, 2010 at 4:24 pm

    Hopefully we will have three common sense conservatives or moderates that favor jobs & progress on the city council after November.

  89. Time to get real
    August 26, 2010 at 4:25 pm

    I find the 7 million a ridiculously low figure for any big box to go after. That amounts to only7 days of average sales at Costco. and less that $60,000 in sales tax to the city. No large super store would be interested in that paltry amount. And then you have Walmart. I was in Crescent City earlier in the year and my truck battery went dead. I bought one at Walmart and checked out Costco’s price when I got home. $5 difference and Costco was lower. If you want cheap underwear and jeans, go to Kmart, basically the same stuff. Some of you have been duped by cleaver marketing. Is it that hard to check the facts?

  90. RS
    August 26, 2010 at 4:55 pm

    This is rich:

    High Finance says:
    August 24, 2010 at 9:29 am

    The Chamber receives more than half of its funding from dues paid by members.
    Less than half comes from the city…


    Why should any tax money go from the government to the Chamber of Commerce, who’s claim is that we should privatize everything and cut taxes?! It is utterly crazy. And to say this money is not spent on lobbying is also ridicules, as all revenue money is totally fungible.

  91. Time to get real
    August 26, 2010 at 5:35 pm

    How about three strong fiscal conservatives, Larry Glass, Ron Kuhnel, and Linda Atkins. They are all well aware of the city’s past spending practices, those practices that have led us to our current situation. They will not make the same mistakes that the city manager and the finance director are leaving us with. You can take that to the bank.

    Speaking of finances, the next council needs to take a serious look at the redevelopment agency. It has become a slush fund and not much of a paper trail. There is something fishy going on there.

  92. High Finance
    August 26, 2010 at 6:37 pm

    Time to get real smart. The $7,000,000 in sales is only the sales leaving this area. Of course they expect far larger sales. Have you even been paying attention to the above posts?

    Also, the $7 mil represents $70,000 in sales tax revenue, not $60,000.

    Also “fiscal conservatives” don’t buy ridiculous buildings like Jefferson school. Past spending practices are not responsible for the city’s current dire financial picture. The recession & the resulting reduction in sales tax revenue is. Let me guess, you’re not an accountant are you?

    And RS, for the 1,937th time, the money that the Chamber gets from the city is spent 100% on increasing tourism through tourism assistance & outreach.

    As far as the Redevelopement funds? Why don’t you look at the audit reports. Are you accusing Larry Glass & Linda Atkins or malfaesence or lax oversight? If so, how would that make them “strong fiscal conservatives”? You simply don’t make sense.

  93. Plain Jane
    August 26, 2010 at 6:44 pm

    Didn’t Chris Crawford promise the sales tax from the Marina Center will cover the budget deficit?

  94. Anonymous
    August 26, 2010 at 6:55 pm

    Pay’n’Pak should never be mentioned in the same sentence as Pierson’s. PnP offered a store full of merchandise and empty of employees to help you buy it. Pierson’s has always had informative, helpful employees available to tell you not only where to find what you need, but to tell you how to use it, if that’s what you need. There never was any comparison. That’s why PnP had to go away. It didn’t serve its customers well enough.

  95. Anonymous
    August 26, 2010 at 7:27 pm

    So Hi Fi…are you arguing that $70K in sales tax revenue is worth all that increased traffic on Broadway? Have you ever heard the term “externalities”?

  96. An Economic View
    August 26, 2010 at 7:38 pm

    The point above is well taken. While those like High Finance and Chris Crawford talk primarily about the sales tax revenue, which is speculative at best and may be less than anticipated, you need to weigh the total benefit of the project against the total cost.

    It still open to debate as to whether or not this project then is truly beneficial in the long haul.

    And ridiculing people who try to make this point is not constructive.

  97. August 26, 2010 at 7:48 pm
  98. Plain Jane
    August 26, 2010 at 8:06 pm

    We can’t forget that these are the same people who said emphatically, “There will be no big box on the balloon tract.” Now they are claiming a big box will create money and solve all our financial problems. Why would anyone believe anything they say?

  99. Time to get real
    August 26, 2010 at 8:54 pm

    No they (Larry and Linda)were unaware or had no say in moving money from, lets say water and sewer to redevelopment, to then be used on some project or other. Much of this was done by the city manager so that funds were available to do other things. Creative bookkeeping. Now the water and sewer fund has been depleted and we have major problems with an aging system. There are a lot of questions but no full investigation at this point. The new proposed water rates will double for most of us in five years, restaurants will triple or more. Not all of this is the pulp mill closing. Your turf and serf is going to get a lot more expensive.

    The leakage of sales tax dollars to other communities is a problem of every community. My point was that people going to Redding to shop at home depot is relatively small and no super retailer would move here to attract the dollars back here. The major part of spendable money comes from within the community. If you don’t buy it at Piersons, you buy it at Schafers, or Myrletown Lumber. The money pie is only so big so if you bring in a Super Store, it is the local stores that take the hit. It doesn’t take an accountant to see that.

  100. tenth street dream
    August 26, 2010 at 9:03 pm

    The sales tax on 7 mil is $59,500 using 8.5%. That is a lot closer to 60K that 70K.

  101. Richard
    August 26, 2010 at 9:27 pm

    I just posted a video of Ron Kuhnel’s campaign kick-off on YouTube. Search for Ron Kuhnel and it should come up at the top of the page. Set at 480p resolution for the best result.

    It’s like what Reporta provides, but with moving pictures to go along with the sound.

  102. August 26, 2010 at 9:47 pm

    Why not just post the link?

  103. High Finance
    August 26, 2010 at 9:48 pm

    No 10th Street, you are slipping a decimal.

    The total sales tax of 8.5% on $7 million is not $59,500 but is $ 595,000. However the lions share of that goes to the state. I believe the city’s share is 1% out of the 8.5% currently. 1% of $7 million is $70,000. I heard there is a proposition on the upcoming ballot that would raise the local tax to
    1 1/2 percent or $ 135,000.

    And, ONCE AGAIN, that is ONLY the sales tax on sales that go out of this area to the HOME DEPOT stores in Ukiah, Redding & Crescent City according to someone’s post up above. The total sales tax the local Home Depot would generate for Eureka WOULD BE MANY, MANY TIMES GREATER THAN THAT.

    Please try & pay attention folks.

  104. August 26, 2010 at 9:49 pm

    Kuhnel campaign speech:

    [h/t Richard]

  105. Plain Jane
    August 26, 2010 at 9:53 pm

    The only way it could be “many, many times greater” is by taking sales from existing businesses, mostly from other stores in Eureka. It’s a shell game they’re playing, but there’s no bean under any of the shells.

  106. tenth street dream
    August 26, 2010 at 10:13 pm

    Exactly, Plain Jane.

  107. Sam
    August 27, 2010 at 7:16 am

    HI FI, are you subtracting the sales from existing hardware stores from customers who choose to shop at the new Home Depot? I don’t think the demand for building supplies will magically double once they have another store to shop at. My guess is the vast majority of sales at the HD will come at the expense of existing businesses, which would offset much of this new sales tax income.

    But given your thoughts above, I guess that is okay as long as the stores outside of Eureka suffer the most. Also, we better hope that everyone in Mendo goes to Eureka to shop rather than Santa Rosa. Same goes for Trinity, choosing Eureka over Redding. Del Norte folks already have their superstores.

    And given these estimates, which I think are 100% bullshit, why wouldn’t someone just drive across the Oregon border and save the sales tax as well?

  108. High Finance
    August 27, 2010 at 8:22 am

    I have answered that many times before Sam. There will be some sales taken from other Eureka stores & those sales tax dollars will not result in a net gain.

    But there will also be a lot of sales to people who currently shop out of Eureka. Arcata, McKinleyville & Fortuna were the examples I used before. Those sales tax dollars will result in a net gain for Eureka. Those other communities will lose, but I am an Eurekan. Additional sales tax dollars for us will result in fewer cuts to our police department.

    What town do you live in?

  109. Sam
    August 27, 2010 at 8:44 am

    HiFi, I guess I’m assuming that many people from Arcata, MCKinleyville & Fortuna ALREADY travel to Eureka for many of their purchases, including building supplies. Some probably also go to their small local outlet. I would assume that the people who shop at their local place will continue to do so. And the people who travel to Eureka will continue to do so. The only difference is they will be potentially spending their money at a different store in Eureka. Same tax dollars generated under that scenario.

    How much business do you think HD will take from the existing businesses in Arcata, MCKinleyville & Fortuna?

  110. High Finance
    August 27, 2010 at 11:32 am

    I don’t know Sam. All I know is that there will be a net plus in sales tax revenue to Eureka’s coffers & that will benefit all Eurekans.

    We know for a fact that the absolute floor will be minimum of $105,000. It is safe to assume that a conservative guess would be 2X to 5X that amount.

  111. tenth street dream
    August 27, 2010 at 11:56 am

    Who is this we you keep referring to? Are you an Arkley employee. It sure sounds like it.

  112. Sam
    August 27, 2010 at 12:22 pm

    What exactly does “absolute floor” mean?

  113. The Monitor
    August 27, 2010 at 12:44 pm

    In the rural community of Eureka and it’s surrounding neighbors, It is easy for one big box to scrape all the spendable money from surrounding towns. What ever the product mix of the store, any competing business in the county is going to take a big hit. There are ample stats on this from all over the USA. It can’t, in good faith, be said otherwise. These stores drain small communities, it’s known as urban mining. Once they have mined the big bucks and their sales drop off, they leave. Future blight is in the making for a short term gain.

    We now know that our local hardware and building supply stores can survive a recession, but throw in new big box competition and the equation changes dramatically. That is why we are a prime target for these huge companies, as their competition are all little guys. They beat them up with pricing (not service)and spit them out as they fall. I watched them destroy my hometown, very few of the family businesses now exist. Our future has been written in towns all over this country, if we go this route.

  114. High Finance
    August 27, 2010 at 3:52 pm

    “We” 10 st dream, refers to people who have been paying attention. It does not refer to you.

    The “floor” Sam, is that someone said Home Depot sales in CC, Ukiah & Redding that come from our zip codes was $7 million dollars. The sales tax on those sales are guaranteed to come to the Eureka store.

  115. Fortuna
    August 27, 2010 at 4:06 pm

    We have Forbusco and a big new Ace plus Valley Lumber and Nielsen’s over in Fortuna. Sometimes we go to Pierson’s. All are locally owned but have national affiliations and a lot of good deals. But I don’t think Martini Center is about a Home Depot or even a Wal-Mart. It’s about whatever makes the most money.

    Don’t kid yourselves, and beware of geeks bearing gifts.

  116. Sam
    August 27, 2010 at 4:28 pm

    Where did you get your numbers, Hi Fi? Who is the “someone” you referenced?

  117. tenth street dreamer
    August 27, 2010 at 6:57 pm

    There has been so much research done on big box pros and cons that it would be unwise to ignore it. many BBs use predatory pricing to gain the lions share within their product areas. This weakens every business that doesn’t have the buying power that the BBs have. It is inevitable some will go out of business. There is something immoral about it, just to get a cheap toilet.

  118. Anonymous
    August 27, 2010 at 11:50 pm

    Not all Big Box stores are as predatory as Walmart. A list! Does anybody around here have a list of Big Box stores that are as predatory as Walmart?

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