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Humboldt Gay Pride 2010

Look who served as Grand Marshall for this year’s Humboldt gay pride events.

Humboldt County Supervisor Bonnie Neely has long championed equal rights. Her challenger in the November election, Virginia Bass, voted against equality in 2006.

Photo by Joe Cornish.

Video by Old Glory Radio.

  1. Anonymous
    September 11, 2010 at 8:46 pm

    You lying sack of s*. Bass never voted against equality, but only the need for the city to declate it. Bass probally voted against prop 8, but hey anything to smear a candidate.

  2. Anonymous
    September 11, 2010 at 8:49 pm

    Anonymous says:
    July 23, 2006 at 1:04 am
    I agree with Eric, whoa. Gay, or same sex, marriage is about as appropriate for the Eureka City Council as the impeachment of George Bush is for the Arcata City Council.

    You think maybe local city council’s could deal with issues like public safety, recycling, or ?? ………….

  3. September 11, 2010 at 8:50 pm

    As if the city council could “diclate” equality. Bass’ 2006 vote is a smelly smudge on her thin voting record. She can’t ignore it now.

  4. Goldie
    September 11, 2010 at 8:51 pm

    If that was before she was a Democrat it wouldn’t count anyway.

  5. mresquan
    September 11, 2010 at 9:10 pm

    “You lying sack of s*. Bass never voted against equality, but only the need for the city to declate it.”

    She could have voted yes,while at the same time expressing her view that it really wasn’t in the city’s purview regardless.But she voted against it,I will at least give Leonard credit for feeling remorseful about his vote and his making up for it by putting himself out there to oppose prop 8.

  6. September 11, 2010 at 9:14 pm

    In the KHSU interview, Bass said she opposes laws that would stop people from living together. Not sure where such a law is contemplated, but perhaps she doesn’t understand the issues.

  7. Anonymous
    September 11, 2010 at 9:54 pm

    She understood enough, that, ” it really wasn’t in the city’s purview regardless” so the reasonable debaters who are not shills for Bonnie will be honest in that a Eureka City vote on the matter isn’t for or against neither equality or gay marriage. But the dishonest shill has and will continue to say otherwise.

  8. mresquan
    September 11, 2010 at 9:56 pm

    So why didn’t she vote yes regardless?Kerrigan did,she could have as well.

  9. Andrew Bird
    September 11, 2010 at 9:59 pm

    On the City Council in 2006 Virginia Bass voted against a resolution that would have declared support for marriage equality. But it didn’t stop there. Later that year she attacked Peter LaVallee, who as mayor brought the reso before the council, in the press over it. She brought up that resolution as a reason she decided to challenge him for mayor. While I do believe that Virginia personally supports marriage equality, she failed as an elected official and community leader when she had the opportunity take a stand in support of civil rights. I think it disingenuous of her now to attempt to paint herself as a friend to the cause, without first acknowledging and apologizing for her failure four years ago.

  10. Anonymous
    September 11, 2010 at 10:08 pm

    Why do so when it wasn’t a city thing, when so many in Eureka said for city not do do it, just because it isn’t a city level thing? What about all the other cities with no declaration? Does that make them homophobic, against equality, and/or gay marriage? Did it affect anything by not passing. Would it of affected anything by passing?

    Does H get a pass for whoring out a community to promote Neely?

  11. AnonymousX2
    September 11, 2010 at 10:23 pm

    It really is time for people to step up and show their support for equal rights, that’s gays, blacks, straights, Muslims, atheists, native americans. We are all in the same boat. Get used to it. Good for Bonnie and Larry for being at the Humboldt Pride Fest.

  12. Decline to State
    September 11, 2010 at 11:14 pm

    Hey, it all starts here folks. Change starts at the personal, then local, then national, then worldwide level. You’re either on the bus or off. Virginia, with the prize of getting votes from those good old boys, is off the bus. She is the problem.

    The time is right for “New Eureka” to flex its power and “diclate” what’s right and what’s fair…next up, the state.

  13. mresquan
    September 11, 2010 at 11:14 pm

    “She understood enough, that, ” it really wasn’t in the city’s purview regardless”

    So will Virginia flip flop and not support Measure N since it is not ultimately decided on by the city?

  14. September 11, 2010 at 11:25 pm

    Before the primary I asked the candidates for Supervisor how they voted on Proposition 8.

    Bonnie Neely told me “I support full marriage equality for gay and lesbian people. I voted No on Proposition 8.”

    Virginia Bass failed to respond to two emails, so I had a fellow blogger with contacts phone her. After he called her, she finally wrote “I never disclose publicly how I vote at the polls.” She otherwise indicated that she does support marriage equality, but I am not comfortable with politicians who keep their votes secret, especially votes on my constitutional rights.

  15. Anonymous
    September 11, 2010 at 11:36 pm

    It is possible for a politician to support gay marriage and not make it a political statement to get votes. I would prefer that my elected officials stick to dealing with how the rapidly dwindling taxes will be spread around to city and county services. My elected official should focus on generating jobs. Tax revenue.

    Bonnie can pander away for votes to all the gays in desperation and that’s awesome. My best friend is gay, but that doesn’t make Bonnie the better supervisor.

  16. Decline to State
    September 11, 2010 at 11:58 pm

    It is possible for a politician to support gay marriage and not make it a political statement to get votes.

    No…but gay marriage and open-mindlessness gain ground because of it. It is fair and right.

    I hear you on the “rapidly dwindling taxes” thing. I think our elected officials should be capable of doing both.

  17. mresquan
    September 12, 2010 at 12:00 am

    anon 11:36pm wrote “My elected official should focus on generating jobs. Tax revenue.”

    I hope anon explains how Virginia has effectively done that.Her other ardent supporters who post here fail to provide some support there.

  18. Anonymous
    September 12, 2010 at 12:08 am

    “but I am not comfortable with politicians who keep their votes secret, especially votes on my constitutional rights.”

    So if they say they voted how you wanted them to vote, you will support them, even if they in reality didn’t vote that way?

    The thing about a secret vote, it is their constitutional right to keep it secret. It is ok for you to trample on their right, is it?

  19. Anonymous
    September 12, 2010 at 12:14 am

    For all we know, to play devils advocate, Bonnie Neely could of votes yes on Prop 8, and tell you she voted no to gain your vote. You have no way of fact checking this, but are willing ding people for enacting their constitutional rights. You are willing to bullying people to give up their rights.

  20. Anonymous
    September 12, 2010 at 12:31 am

    …to bully….

  21. Not A Native
    September 12, 2010 at 12:39 am

    I see, no harm no foul on Bass’s position on the prop 8 resolution because it wouldn’t have had any real effect. But she supports the balloon tract zoning proposition and it, hold your breath here, won’t have any real effect. Its perfectly rational, has absolutely nothing to do with promoting a conservative political segment’s agenda.

  22. Watchful Observer
    September 12, 2010 at 12:42 am

    Whether Bonnie wins or loses in November, you gotta respect the gal. She has that characteristic so rare in politicians: integrity.

    The gloves are off, and Bonnie’s comin’ out fighting.

    You go, girl!!!

  23. Anonymous
    September 12, 2010 at 1:23 am

    You mean like measure T integrity, you know the one for local money for campaigns, yet has so many out of Humboldt donors?

  24. You Go Girl
    September 12, 2010 at 1:30 am

    I can’t seem to raise money locally, but I am desperate so, I will take money from anybody from anywhere but locally. Fact is, I can’t get local support. So, let’s try and spin this election towards something about statewide importance because she’s on the Coastal Commission. Bullshit.

  25. Mr. Nice
    September 12, 2010 at 1:56 am

    In the KHSU interview, Bass said she opposes laws that would stop people from living together. Not sure where such a law is contemplated, but perhaps she doesn’t understand the issues.

    She still living back in the day when cohabitation was illegal and people cared who the fuck her pops was.

  26. September 12, 2010 at 6:33 am

    Anyone know if that’s Julie Strub sitting next to Bonnie holding the sign?

  27. anonypotumus
    September 12, 2010 at 6:45 am

    Heraldo, Bass’s vote in 2006 was simply staying in
    compliance with what she was sworn to do as a city councilmember: you know that thing about swearing to uphold the laws of the State of California?

    In 2006, gay marriage was voted down by a sizeable majority. Reponsibility dictated voting against Kerrigan’s ill advised motion.

  28. Anonymous
    September 12, 2010 at 7:38 am

    anonypotumus, that’s an atrocious defense. She’s blinded by the law? So, go back in time and she’d not stand against slavery because it’s the law? An injustice is an injustice even when codified as law. People who defend the indefensible have no business representing civil people.

  29. Anonymous
    September 12, 2010 at 8:43 am

    The California State constitution does not trump your 1st Amendment right to free speech. Advocating for changes in any law, even with a city resolution, is not against the law.

  30. High Finance
    September 12, 2010 at 8:53 am

    Wow, the left is really hurling the slime early.

    But tell us dears, what does Prop 8 have to do with the job of Humboldt County supervisor?

    And why was Bonnie Neely riding in a fun parade on a somber day like the 9th anniversary of 9/11?
    I saw the little parade & my first thought was that Bonnie was so desperate for the appearance of any support, that she had to have a lot of people from Arcata come & cheer her.

  31. Plain Jane
    September 12, 2010 at 9:01 am

    People who believe in equal rights might not like having a supervisor who doesn’t, HiFi, but it’s not surprising that you can’t understand it.

  32. humboldturtle
    September 12, 2010 at 9:04 am

    HiFi’s jesting, surely. Wedge politics were invented by Repubs. Imagine a circle graph depicting each “wedge” or voter group, as a proportionate percentage of the whole…oh, never mind.

  33. Anonymous
    September 12, 2010 at 9:24 am

    “But tell us dears, what does Prop 8 have to do with the job of Humboldt County supervisor?”

    HiFi – these “tangential” issues are being discussed because Bass has told us NOTHING about her vision of the supervisor’s job. She seems to think it entails approval of the Marina Center and Balloon Track cleanup (which it doesn’t). I haven’t heard any other specific issues come from Bass other than some generic jobs and apple pie stuff.

  34. High Finance
    September 12, 2010 at 9:33 am

    I think all politicians should be asked questions that are relevant to the job they are seeking.

    I am not interested in Bonnie or Virginia’s views on the war in Iraq, on-going negotiations with North Korea, the confusing response to the Gulf oil spill by the Obama administration or whether NASA should go for a manned mission to Mars or on Prop 8.

  35. September 12, 2010 at 9:48 am

    “I am not interested in Bonnie or Virginia’s views on the war in Iraq, on-going negotiations with North Korea, the confusing response to the Gulf oil spill by the Obama administration or whether NASA should go for a manned mission to Mars or on Prop 8.”

    So what? That’s just you and your tunnel vision. Many of the voters, including me, look at the whole candidate and a whole range of issues.

    Bonnie Neely proved herself to be a smart candidate yesterday. She made a good impression on a number of people likely to vote. From riding in the parade to speaking at the festival, she showed she cares about the local GLBT community. I have a feeling she picked up a few hundred votes yesterday.

    Virginia Bass could have been part of the day’s activities, but she was nowhere to be seen.

  36. September 12, 2010 at 9:54 am

    Let me fix this for you. “Virginia Bass could have been part of the celebration on that day’s activities, but she might of been recognizing that yesterday was a National day of Morning.” Better?

  37. September 12, 2010 at 10:13 am

    Yes, Joe, Cap really fixed that for you. I sure wish you’d get better at that bad grammar/misspelling stuff.

    National day of Morning

    Bwahahahahaha.

  38. mresquan
    September 12, 2010 at 10:18 am

    “National Day of Morning”

    Hey I love waking up every morning,so having a national day to commemorate them is a nice idea.But I did not know that yesterday was that day.And what a nice concept to have a gay pride parade and festival on the same day!

  39. Plain Jane
    September 12, 2010 at 10:21 am

    “National day of Morning” (sigh) You “could” be clueless about what Virginia “might of” been doing yesterday, but don’t let that stop you from the slap at Bonnie for being asked to participate.

  40. September 12, 2010 at 10:21 am

    Cappy, yesterday’s Pride Day included a tribute to the events of 9/11. This may amaze a dim bulb like you, but many of the victims were gay and the day affects the GLBT community as much as any other.

    In addition, check this out: Mark Bingham, 31, a Gay passenger on United Airlines Flight 93 that crashed in Pennsylvania, helped to thwart the plane’s hijackers. September 16 is officially designated Mark Bingham Day in San Francisco.

    You can learn more about how 9/ll affects the gay community by going here:
    http://www.angelfire.com/fl3/uraniamanuscripts/sept11.html

    Shame on you for using the events of 9/11 in such a petty way.

  41. September 12, 2010 at 11:11 am

    You used the events on 9/11 in a petty way, yet I’m not allowed to point out your? Where in Hearldo’s description does it say anything about tributes?

    Let’s understand the logic on here. Bass wasn’t part of the homosexual activities, so wasn’t part of the day’s activities. So is an enemy of the homosexual community. Got it. Never mind, the real world continued to function, many activities were planned, and carried out. Maybe Bass should of been campaigning “23/7”?

    Because I pointed out the pettiness of Joe, I get slammed on, with some twisted feat of logic, that I didn’t know that every group was represented in the Towers, the Pentagon, and the planes. Thanks Joe for pointing out the obvious.

  42. Plain Jane
    September 12, 2010 at 11:29 am

    Maybe Cap’s magic underwear is bunched up and making him too cranky for logic.

  43. Anonymous
    September 12, 2010 at 12:17 pm

    Bass wasn’t part of the homosexual activities, so wasn’t part of the day’s activities.

    I see your confusion Cap. The pride parade and festival are not a gay-only deal. I’m heterosexual and brought my whole family. Bring your family next time Cap. Your toddler can play with my toddler. The only real requirement is that hatred is left at home, and preferably, not even there.

  44. Capdiamont
    September 12, 2010 at 12:48 pm

    My baby kept us up, so we didn’t get out of the house until late. But you miss the point, that because Bass wasn’t there, despite many, many possiable ways to use ones time, even privately even to acknowledge what had happened on that day the militia says she isn’t good enough, and the other half has to make jokes, or call names

  45. September 12, 2010 at 1:30 pm

    She isn’t good enough because of her voting and campaign record on this issue, not to mention many of her other positions.

  46. julie_strub
    September 12, 2010 at 2:06 pm

    yep, that’s me in the pic with Bonnie! I’m supporting Bonnie for many reasons: one of the main ones is Bonnie’s outspoken record of supporting equality. Like Heraldo says, Bass said she opposes laws that would “stop people from living together”. Clearly, Bass doesn’t support marriage equality or else she would have said she did. As a legally married gay person, it’s very important to me that our elected officials support families like mine and our legal rights.

  47. Anonymous
    September 12, 2010 at 2:13 pm

    So many emotions! Tragic reminders of 9-11. The joy of Humboldt Gay Pride 2010. Such a contrast!

    I thank all whose choice to keep love alive in their own hearts lights the world for everyone.

  48. Pat Hetic
    September 12, 2010 at 2:24 pm

    Was a sad, motley crew on display. Hardly anything to take pride in. As a gay man myself it almost makes me homophobic to see this mess of cross-dressers and tattered spirits in action. Not every gay woman and man in Humboldt County is proud, actually I’m disgusted that this took place on September 11. Very poor decision, only reflected in the very poor people on parade.

  49. cheesedick
    September 12, 2010 at 2:34 pm

    Gay 9/11. Gives “Twin Towers” a new meaning.
    Zing. Waca waca waca.

  50. Anonymous
    September 12, 2010 at 2:43 pm

    Bonnie Neely’s out there pandering for votes from the gay community, just like any other politician with half a brain would be. The only thing out of the ordinary on this comment thread is capdiamont’s inordinate display of gay-hating.

    P.S. Virginia Bass said on TV this week she was ok with the ‘green industry’ of pot clubs…so capdiamont’s social conservatism is looking more and more out of step even with his camp’s candidates.

  51. Anonymous
    September 12, 2010 at 3:25 pm

    Its depressing to me that so many seem to think that the 9/11 massacre is the most important one ever. I don’t see anyone claiming that we postpone all our community celebrations for the Indian Island or Wounded Knee massacres, Hiroshima Day or any assortment of mass killings. Remember, respect but don’t lose perspective.

  52. Plain Jane
    September 12, 2010 at 3:46 pm

    Oh dear 3:25. The 9/11 obsessed Anonymous is going to accuse you of hating dead heroes.

  53. Focke Wulf
    September 12, 2010 at 3:47 pm

    First of all, the fact the Times Standard had nothing to say about Bonnie Neeley’s participation in the “gay pride” parade just goes to show how biased they are towards doing all they can to getting her re-elected. The fact that the vast majority of the citizens of Eureka do not support the gay agenda is not lost on the TS and Bonnie, hence the cover-up.
    Secondly, I happened to drive by Old Town and noticed the most disturbed, messed-up, and just plain freakish-looking group of people I had ever seen. It was only a short while later that I found out that it was “gay pride” day. On 9/11. Great. Why is it that gay people have to dress up so weirdly on their “pride” day? Get a clue.

  54. Focke Wulf
    September 12, 2010 at 3:57 pm

    Excuse me anon 3:25. “Hiroshima Day” as you call it was a day in August of 1945 when we dropped an atomic bomb on the Japanese to bring an end to a war that THEY started. If you REALLY want to talk massacre, why don’t you check out the book “The Rape of Nanking” from the county library and read about the half million people the Japanese slaughtered in that Chinese city alone. Or study the “Bataan Death March.” Or maybe the countless millions the Japanese killed throughout Indo-China. 9/11 was the unprovoked slaughter of innocent men, women, the elderly, and children by radical followers of Islam. There is no moral equivilancy here, so drop it.

  55. Plain Jane
    September 12, 2010 at 4:21 pm

    How many innocent people died in Iraq due to the war that was deceitfully justified by 9/11, Focker?

  56. Capdiamont
    September 12, 2010 at 4:38 pm

    2:43 does a lot of assuming

  57. Anonymous
    September 12, 2010 at 5:10 pm

    Even Tom Fredricksen was out there filming the fun, and he’s so conservative the Republicans aren’t right-wing enough for him, hence his position as the local chairman of the Constitution Party.

    Face it Lawrence, sensible conservatives don’t like these endless foreign wars and they don’t like these idiotic culture wars either. Gay people are people and should be allowed to be as miserable as all the other married people I know.

    Like Ron Paul, we want to return fiscal sanity to government without all this fascistic baggage you carry around.

  58. mresquan
    September 12, 2010 at 5:10 pm

    “9/11 was the unprovoked slaughter of innocent men, women, the elderly, and children by radical followers of Islam.”

    9/11 was the unprovoked slaughter of innocent men, women, the elderly, and children by radical followers of the Mormon church.Cap did you take a little part of your day to commemorate the lives of Native Americans who were massacred on that very day the Mormon church so desperately tries to brush away?

  59. Anonymous
    September 12, 2010 at 5:16 pm

    How many innocent Iraqi people would have died if Hussein had continued his Stalin-like war of terror against his own people?

    How many Iraqi people rejoiced when the tyrant Saddam Hussein and his monster sons were no longer able to terrorize them?

    How greatly did the Bush/Cheney plans in Iraq fail the needs of the Iraqi people not only for purple thumbs but for drinkable water free from death-dealing diseases?

    How many people died in New Orleans because the racist Bush/Cheney administration refused to send in government helicopters with pallets of cool, clear water and other desperately-needed supplies?

    How many Americans approved the Iraq war plans because they have no conception of non-Americans as human beings, people who love their children and who face obstacles far steeper than all but the poorest Americans?

    How many American pioneers were caught, tortured and massacred by the indigenous tribes of this continent long before the Massacre at Indian Island? How many who did that dirty deed were motivated by memories of loved ones who had been not just killed but tortured for sport on their journey Westward?

    With all the suffering on this planet, all the wars and diseases, all the crimes of strong against weak, surely we humans should declare a Worldwide Day of Remembrance and Transcendance and then change it from a Day to a Millenium. The purpose: To transcend our beast nature and live according to the principles we believe most likely to lead to actual peace and prosperity for all.

  60. Mitch
    September 12, 2010 at 5:32 pm

    Regarding the gay pride parade, Focke, gay people are required to dress weirdly on the day of the parade. If you check the Gay Agenda, the mandate is on page 42, just after the rules about white socks. If you don’t dress properly, you are burned at the stake. Oh, wait, that’s one of the religions. I meant stoned until you die. Oh, wait, that’s another religion.

    Regarding Saddam Hussein:
    How quickly we forget…
    http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/

    Regarding the moral equivalency of Hiroshima Day, etc…, I think it’s still considered a war crime to bomb a civilian population. But, hey, everybody does it. And the dead civilians should just have chosen more wisely which country they chose to be born in.

  61. Anonymous
    September 12, 2010 at 5:45 pm

    The Japanese civilians also should have thought twice before giving their unlimited support to their god-Emperor, the One who authorized the Rape of Nanking and the attack on Pearl Harbor.

  62. Anonymous
    September 12, 2010 at 5:52 pm

    But, in fairness, the Japanese had been worshiping their Emperor for a thousand years, and old habits are hard to break.

  63. Plain Jane
    September 12, 2010 at 5:59 pm

    Justifying the slaughter of innocent people “for their own good” is about as sick as it gets, especially after we empowered the monster we used as the excuse to slaughter them. And, btw, regime change is not a legal justification for war.

  64. Anonymous
    September 12, 2010 at 6:19 pm

    WTF are you talking about? Any excuse for you to feel morally superior to everyone else? Go powder your nose!

  65. Plain Jane
    September 12, 2010 at 6:23 pm

    GFYS leg humper.

  66. Anonymous
    September 12, 2010 at 7:30 pm

    FW: you make my point. Please feel free to add the massacres that you mention to the list that help put 9/11 into perspective.

  67. Anonymous
    September 12, 2010 at 8:07 pm

    Plain Jane says:
    September 12, 2010 at 6:23 pm
    GFYS leg humper.

    Surely you can do better than that.

  68. A-Nony-Mouse
    September 12, 2010 at 8:08 pm

    The only thing I haven’t seen yet is someone advocating the slaughter of all the people the parade. And I expect that soon. I worry about the people who can’t hold a thread for more than a few seconds.
    The parade was great. Bonnie did well attending and acknowledging the contribution of the GLTB folks to our community. I suppose HiFi thinks she should have stayed home and watched the football game. He/she would have, no doubt.

  69. Focke Wulf
    September 12, 2010 at 8:55 pm

    Uh Mitch, you should be very thankful that we kicked the crap out of the Japs in WW2. Had THEY had the bomb, they would have nuked us ’til we glowed. As it was, the Japanese had no problem ignoring the Geneva convention rules concerning the treatment of POW’s. Beheadings and starvation was the norm. In fact Mitch, the Japanese newspapers had a front page article during the war where they kept track of a contest between two Japanese officers who were trying to see who could behead the most Chinese. All for the enjoyment of the Japanese population. We wont mention the use of biological weapons the Japanese unleashed on the Chinese, but hey- someone else did all the heavy lifting 60 years ago so you could write your smug, sarcastic drivel.

  70. Anonymous
    September 12, 2010 at 9:31 pm

    They sure make good cars now.

  71. the reasonable anonymous
    September 12, 2010 at 9:33 pm

    “…the Japanese had no problem ignoring the Geneva convention rules concerning the treatment of POW’s…”

    Let’s not forget that those “quaint” Geneva Convention rules don’t apply to Americans, according to Torturer-in-Chief Cheney, as well as his sidekick W and the rest of the Gang that Couldn’t Shoot Straight.

  72. September 12, 2010 at 9:37 pm

    Speaking of cars, the gay pride bashers don’t seem to have a problem with all the people out for Cruise ‘N’ Eureka on 9/11.

  73. September 12, 2010 at 9:43 pm

    Hey…that’s right! And what about all those freaks eating chicken wings?

  74. September 12, 2010 at 9:49 pm

    Clearly a mourning fail.

  75. mresquan
    September 12, 2010 at 9:54 pm

    And even the folks at the Humboldt Botanical Garden had the audacity to have a fundraiser there.

  76. September 12, 2010 at 9:55 pm

    Traitors!

  77. Mike Buettner
    September 12, 2010 at 10:06 pm

    I had 2 IPA’s and nachos at the LCB. Muslim sympathizer.

  78. Reinventing The Wheel
    September 13, 2010 at 12:12 am

    And what about those “traitors” in Ferndale holding a city-wide garage sale on 9/11 with corn-dogs and lemonade?

  79. Anonymous
    September 13, 2010 at 12:55 am

    Welcome back, Heraldo!

    I do hope you will take the time to read all recent posts carefully. You know, so you don’t accidentally stereotype anybody.

  80. Walt
    September 13, 2010 at 5:47 am

    We went to the Botanical Garden fundraiser, and though there was fog all around, the sun was shining there. Allah Akhbar!

  81. Mitch
    September 13, 2010 at 6:19 am

    Focke,

    Japanese treatment of Chinese during WW2 was criminal. I’m grateful that the US developed the atomic bomb before the Japanese or the Germans.

    Dropping the atomic bomb on civilian populations in Hiroshima, if not Nagasaki, may be justifiable in the context of the war. I don’t know how anyone could hope to justify the second bomb.

    Civilian populations in empires are nothing more than hostages, whether they love the empire or not. Five year old girls do not pose an immediate threat to soldiers. To indiscriminately bomb them is a war crime. Those are the rules that our “civilizations” have written down. Not one nation honors them.

  82. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    September 13, 2010 at 9:25 am

    Gay Pride Grand Marshal – is just as important for the parade as it is the elected official. Both entities are pandering using props.

    Bonnie’s prop is the Gay Pride folks and event.

    Gay Pride Folk’s prop is elected supervisor Bonnie Neely – note many affluent local citizens stand-up for equal rights, but who is the best prop right now, Bonnie or any other local candidate running in an election. Not very sincere by the Gay Pride Folks either since they want to be at least a small part stooly-pigeoned.

    See how politics “pulls faces”, even pulls the faces of those who claim inequalities. Therefore, integrity is not 100%!

    Jeffrey Lytle
    McKinleyville – 5th District

  83. Anonymous
    September 13, 2010 at 9:58 am

    Jeffrey is a mystic word warrior!

  84. Anonymous
    September 13, 2010 at 9:59 am

    The second bomb was dropped because Japan did not surrender after the first bomb was dropped.

  85. Plain Jane
    September 13, 2010 at 10:16 am

    No, the 2nd bomb was dropped (Nagasaki) as soon as possible after they received the required amount of plutonium, 3 days after Hiroshima. They were not waiting for surrender. Japan didn’t surrender until 6 days after Nagasaki.

  86. Anonymous
    September 13, 2010 at 10:25 am

    Oh, brother! The Emperor had three days to surrender, you say? And he didn’t do it? What was he waiting for? A second bomb to drop?

  87. longwind
    September 13, 2010 at 11:09 am

    Back in the ’80s you’d see those bombing decisions placed in context of the coming Cold War with the other WWII winner, Russia next door to Japan. Our idea was to impress upon the Russians our own gratuitous barbarity (like theirs) in flattening two cities just because we could.

    We celebrated victory in WWI by invading Russia’s far-north to bunker up the anti-revolutionary White Army. We’ve forgotten that, but they hadn’t. Our leaders like proving from time to time that, tv shows to the contrary, we’re just as brutal as every other successful empire. That’s where waterboarding, remote assassinations, Vietnamese dike bombing, Dresden and Tokyo firebombing, Indian genocide and Philippine atrocities also may come from, if anyone’s wondering.

  88. Plain Jane
    September 13, 2010 at 11:33 am

    You need to read real history, 10:25. Surrendering a country isn’t as simple and easy as you seem to think. They planned to drop 2 bombs on Japan and they did. Horoshima was a military target, Nagasaki was not. It just had the best conditions for bombing that day.

  89. Plain Jane
    September 13, 2010 at 11:34 am

    And “Shock and Awe” in Iraq, Longwind.

  90. Obvious
    September 13, 2010 at 12:04 pm

    On August 6, the first bomb was dropped on Hiroshima.

    On August 7, Truman announced the existence of a new weapon, a weapon whose destructive power Japan now understood. Even so, Japan still did not respond to the Potsdam Declaration from that July indicating allied forces would decimate Japan’s forces and homeland if it did not surrender.

    On August 9, the second bomb was dropped on Nagasaki.

    The US was preparing a third bomb to be ready by the third week in August.

    On August 15, Hirohito announced to his people his intention to surrender.

    If Hirohito had surrendered when the devastation of the first bomb had become known (it was known within hours of the drop), many more lives could have been saved.

    Truman has stated clearly that he decided to use the bomb in order to bring a swift end to the war and save many more lives in the long run. He accomplished that goal.

  91. longwind
    September 13, 2010 at 12:05 pm

    Right, thank you. My recent favorite in this line was our pinpoint bombing of China’s news agency on the 18th floor of a skyscraper in Belgrade during the Bosnian intervention, and the equally spectacular blow-up of Al-Jazeera’s Baghdad bureau in front of the Western journalists staying at a nearby hotel.

    Ahem, both blow-ups were mistakes.

  92. Plain Jane
    September 13, 2010 at 12:58 pm

    “Two senior American military figures – General Groves and Admiral Purnell – were convinced that two atomic bombs dropped within days of the other would have such an overwhelming impact on the Japanese government that it would surrender. Scientists at Los Alamos were also intrigued as to which type of bomb was the better – a uranium or plutonium based bomb. ‘Little Boy’ showed its effectiveness at Hiroshima but another bombing mission was needed to see what damage a uranium bomb could do.”

    http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/bombing_of_nagasaki.htm

    “I think it was necessary to drop one, but the second one could have easily been avoided. I think Japan would have capitulated anyway.” -Hans Bethe, physicist

  93. Walt
    September 13, 2010 at 2:57 pm

    No one likes us
    I don’t know why
    We may not be perfect
    But heaven knows we try. . .

    Now all around
    Even our old friends put us down
    Let’s drop The Big One
    and see what happens!

    –Randy Newman
    “Political Science”

  94. Focke Wulf
    September 13, 2010 at 8:29 pm

    Today, it’s easy to arm-chair the decision about bombing Nagasaki. The bottom line is that the Japanese did not surrender after Hiroshima, the Japanese military fully intended to fight on, and it was only the direct intervention of the “divine” Emperor Hirohito that ended the Japanese madness. Any other country would have surrendered the day after Hiroshima. Not the Japs. They fought almost to the last man in every island we defeated them in. For you America haters out there, jsut look at how we rebuilt Our enemies, Japan and Germany. I’m sure you’ll find fault at that too.

  95. Anonymous
    September 13, 2010 at 8:54 pm

    You really nailed it, FW. America haters. There’s really no other explanation for the consistent anti-American bent of certain people who post messages here.

  96. Mitch
    September 13, 2010 at 9:12 pm

    Focke,

    I have no interest in “arm-chairing” the bombing of Nagasaki. It’s a matter of history that two atomic bombs were available, and two were used. I’m glad I wasn’t responsible for making the decision: I would not have wanted to look into the eyes of any military widows or orphans had I *not* used the bombs, and I certainly would not have wanted to face the world if I *had* used the bombs.

    8:54,

    “America haters.” I guess it depends which America you are referring to. Many of the folks on this blog seem to think patriotism means defending the Constitution, and I’m with them. These days, that leaves us open to charges of being America haters. We just don’t like empire.

  97. Plain Jane
    September 13, 2010 at 9:12 pm

    Maybe certain people aren’t so blinded by patriotism that they can admit when their country makes mistakes. Maybe they believe their country should practice what it preaches. Maybe they even love their country enough to see its failings and work to improve it. Nah! There is no other explanation than they hate their country.

  98. September 13, 2010 at 9:19 pm

    Apologies in advance for this wholly inappropriate video.

    Of course, such filth was written before the great economic collapse of 2008.

  99. mresquan
    September 13, 2010 at 9:24 pm

    The bomb wasn’t dropped for the sole intent on nuking the Japanese,it was a message sent to the Soviet Union that we had better weaponry than they did,and had no problema using it.

  100. Mitch
    September 13, 2010 at 9:28 pm

    Heraldo,

    Books?

  101. September 13, 2010 at 9:30 pm

    The back-up singers didn’t seem so “fuck yeah” about the whole book thing.

  102. Anonymous
    September 13, 2010 at 10:20 pm

    Jane, you not only hate America, you hate any American who doesn’t hate America as much as you do.

  103. September 13, 2010 at 11:27 pm

    Oh, please! Can we get any more dramatic?

  104. Anonymous
    September 14, 2010 at 12:08 am

    Heraldo, your pretense of objectivity is slipping through your fingers. More’s the pity.

  105. Anonymous
    September 14, 2010 at 12:12 am

    can we get any more gay?

  106. Anonymous
    September 14, 2010 at 12:21 am

    To whom are you referring?

  107. Anonymous
    September 14, 2010 at 12:22 am

    If it is I to whom you refer, I am not only Gay, but Proud into the bargain!

  108. September 14, 2010 at 12:29 am

    What if everyone named “anonymous” commented at the same time?

  109. Anonymous
    September 14, 2010 at 12:30 am

    I’m sure it happens all the time.

  110. Anonymous
    September 14, 2010 at 12:33 am

    It’s a good thing blog commenting isn’t a sport that involves physical contact, eh, Heraldo? You’d have to keep a crew of EMTs on hand 24/7!

  111. Anonymous
    September 14, 2010 at 12:37 am

    Good night, Heraldo. Good night, you other Anonymouses.

  112. Plain Jane
    September 14, 2010 at 5:13 am

    10:20 needs Leg Humpers Anonymous.

  113. mresquan
    September 14, 2010 at 8:02 am

    Jane,I sure feel the hate….damn I do!

  114. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    September 14, 2010 at 8:38 am

    8:06am,

    Many have thought what you inquire. I don’t belive it to be so, but it could be a close political aide. I believe it to be 1 of 3 people who I will keep unnamed out of speculation.

    JL

  115. Plain Jane
    September 14, 2010 at 8:39 am

    Why thank you, 8:06. One of the nicest compliments ever regardless of your intent.

    I sense the hate too, Mresquan, but it doesn’t bother me in the slightest. At least they’re reading my posts, if only to look for something to twist, and some logic might even seep in through the cracks to their tiny reptilian brains.

  116. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    September 14, 2010 at 8:42 am

    Now WW1 & WW2,

    Hmm, how many gay pride folks died in those bombings? Just wondering since the thread is now about Atom Bombs, Japan, dead people, Nagasaki, etc…?

    JL

  117. Anonymous
    September 14, 2010 at 12:51 pm

    8:06’s comments were ridiculous and I’m glad they are gone, but their absence does make PJ and Jeff’s replies seem off-topic.

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