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Jager election plot thickens

Matthew Owen

Following news that Eureka City Councilman Frank Jager was pressured to give up his post and run for mayor, the Humboldt Herald has learned Jager plans to fill the vacancy with the man who twisted his arm if Jager wins in November.

Since 2008, Matthew Owen successfully ran campaigns that put Jager and Humboldt Bay Harbor Commissioner Richard Marks into office.  Owen helped shepherd his wife, Virginia Bass, into the mayor’s seat in 2006, and is currently leading her charge for a seat on the Humboldt County Board of Supervisors.

Owen has managed to stay largely behind the scenes during these political endeavors but now apparently seeks to rush into office himself without an election season’s scrutiny.

If voters think the city council is heavy with sycophants for big box developer Rob Arkley in its current incarnation, wait until this cheerleader gets hold of the voting button.

While the situation sheds light on Owen’s political maneuvering, the insight into Jager’s leadership potential is also troubling.

What kind of leader allows himself to be pushed to abandon a voting position for a ceremonial one just halfway through a term? Jager is reportedly reluctant to run but was swayed by Owen, and the move has upset supporters who backed him in 2008.

But what’s a little internal strife so long as the pusher gets his way?

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.  Unless his name is Matthew Owen, in which case maximum sunlight is long overdue.

  1. Walt
    September 12, 2010 at 7:02 am

    You know the dealer, the dealer is a man
    With the love grass in his hand
    Oh but the pusher is a monster
    Good God, he’s not a natural man
    The dealer for a nickel
    Lord, will sell you lots of sweet dreams
    Ah, but the pusher ruin your body
    Lord, he’ll leave your, he’ll leave your mind to scream.
    –Hoyt Axton

  2. Humboldt Politico
    September 12, 2010 at 7:11 am

    Matt lives in Ward 2 not Ward 4 so would be unable to replace Jager.

  3. Anonymous
    September 12, 2010 at 7:22 am

    Geographic restrictions didn’t hinder Larry Glass.

  4. Living In Eureka
    September 12, 2010 at 7:30 am

    My-Oh-My what a tangled web we weave, etc.,etc. I have suspected for some time now, that Frank had sniffed a little too much embalming fluid! But Matthew Owen, are you kidding me??? We might as well just hand the city over to Arkley.

    I’m not too happy with Frank over his vote to cut police & fire. But this takes the cake. I refuse to just hand this city over to the good old boys. He can kiss my vote good bye!

  5. Decline to State
    September 12, 2010 at 7:57 am

    Sorry, I fail to see how replacing Bass with Jager and Jagger with Owen’s changes the balance of power on the city council…all are known Arkley-holics and this just seems to be a game of musical chairs.

    The only real change I can see is Bass actually won (a distinct possibility) Neely’s spot as supervisor…but that’s a totally separate race/issue.

  6. Anom
    September 12, 2010 at 8:17 am

    I plan to dump any incumbent top to bottom-

  7. Mitch
    September 12, 2010 at 8:33 am

    8:17,

    I understand the emotional appeal of being able to say “throw them all out.” But if you care about the future of Eureka and Humboldt, you might consider investing a few hours of your time to find out what each incumbent has done that you agree with and that you disagree with. You could even ask them why, if you’re curious. Then, if you actually believe that each one should be voted out of office, you might invest a few more hours to investigate the challengers. If you believe all of them are better, then by all means, throw out all the incumbents. But perhaps a few hours of investigation will alter your feelings.

    Since, one way or another, you’re probably paying more than $1,000 a year to the city, consider the research a high paid job.

  8. Plain Jane
    September 12, 2010 at 8:33 am

    That’s a great attitude, Anom, and much easier than spending a few minutes to figure out who is working on your behalf and who isn’t and replacing the bad ones. It’s too bad that people who are too lazy to do a little research before they vote aren’t too lazy to vote.

  9. High Finance
    September 12, 2010 at 8:43 am

    This has got to be the most stupid charge yet in a dirty campaign.

    Matt Owen pressured Frank Jager? With what? There is no hold Matt could have that would cause Frank to do something he didn’t want to do. Did Matt try his best to talk Frank into running for mayor? Yes.

    Then comes the asinine charge that Frank is going to appoint Matt to his seat after Frank is elected? As Politico said at 7.11am, Matt lives in the wrong district so the charge is pure out and out bunk.

    I do not know if Heraldo started this lie, or merely is spreading it by not doing any fact checking, getting a second source or even looking into the matter to see if it was possible.

    Liars all. Dirty politics pure & simple. Have you no shame Heraldo?

  10. Anonymous
    September 12, 2010 at 8:58 am

    High, as pointed out at 7:22, living outside the district is not an impediment. A council seat is only an apartment rental away. If you have evidence to suggest Heraldo’s claim is untrue, please present it.

  11. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    September 12, 2010 at 9:02 am

    Walt,

    You had me thinking Eureka is also a Steppenwolf song.

    Jeffrey Lytle
    McKinleyville – 5th District

  12. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    September 12, 2010 at 9:05 am

    Anom,

    merely dropping incumbents is a failure. Voters must refrain from ALL connections in candidates to former or current or future political insiders well connected. What you might consider is cleaning the whole house, employees too!

    JL

  13. High Finance
    September 12, 2010 at 9:06 am

    Smart Anon 8.58pm, asking somebody to prove a negative is impossible.

    Heraldo made the scurrilous claim. He should be required to prove his charges. I wonder what the rules for libel & slander is? Matt Owens is not running for any office, Heraldo has proven he is not a journalist. Yet Heraldo is alledging corruption of a private citizen without any proof. Is that allowed? Are there any attorneys listening here?

  14. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    September 12, 2010 at 9:12 am

    HiFi is right about liars. It is sad that enough everyday people lie too about their personal affiliations, conducts, behaviors, attitudes, etc… It seems even church-goers like to lie alot to shift attention away from them and further upon the abused victims in society. This is why there exists so many social problems too. In fact, lies are so notorious these days that lawyers become rich. Like politics and dirty water, there is a lot of dirty legal money to be made from liars who seek outside counsel which are more than excited to make money since lawyers are a win at all cost pack of wolves who breed leaching blood-suckers. More and more people are realizing the peace they are being stripped of due to political and social lying.

    Kudos to HiFi for expressing a fact of life – lies!

    JL

  15. Anonymous
    September 12, 2010 at 9:14 am

    That’s what is bad HiFi he’s not running for any office but yet he is

  16. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    September 12, 2010 at 9:18 am

    Mitch,

    enough public employees must also be thrown out. Often, the elected officals are covering for the mistakes and abuses of their subordinates. So, the blame and claim may be justified and true, but the question of for whom is the culprit (originally) is the real concern, as is a major concern about those who “cover-up political/social abuses”.

    JL

  17. September 12, 2010 at 9:41 am

    A photo like that would make Jimmy Carter looks sinister, and to claim that “Owen has managed to stay largely behind the scenes” sounds odd, since he very publicly knocked on every door in our neighborhood while campaigning for Mr. Jager.

  18. mresquan
    September 12, 2010 at 9:54 am

    I am pretty certain that Virginia and Matt live in the 4th ward.

  19. Geo
    September 12, 2010 at 9:54 am

    This kind of gaming-the-system defeats an already diminished level of democracy in the City of Eureka.

    The city has used majority voting in the past, but changed to a plurality (winner-take-all) system. This means the candidate with the most votes wins; in a three way race the win could mean as few as 34%. You get the idea. It’s not much democracy, but at least people get to vote.

    Plotting to replace people by appointment, timing one’s resignation to get around holding an election, is nothing less than anti-democratic. There are forces at work to expand and utilize this kind of tactic in both the City of Eureka and the County of Humboldt. County offices are won under the rules of real majority-rule democracy. Two years ago, Johanna Rodoni cynically skipped the primary to run as a write-in candidate in the November general election. She summarily diminished the democratic element of that election, making it a de-facto plurality vote. Look to Rodoni’s list of supporters for people on Frank’s list, and maybe you will see the authors of Humboldt’s latest attempt to stop the People from owning their government.

    This comment might draw thoughts about ranked-choice voting and public campaign financing and other utopian dreams, but hope you will consider what is happening right here, right now, because it is an attempt to diminish what democracy we do enjoy. Get together and pull for the right people, eh?

  20. Anonymous
    September 12, 2010 at 10:14 am

    asking somebody to prove a negative is impossible.

    Wow, High Finance admitted he believes in things that are supported with zero evidence. Do you believe in unicorns, too?

  21. Mitch
    September 12, 2010 at 10:17 am

    Wow, HiFi, this one is new.

    Bring on the attorneys because “Heraldo is not a journalist”!?

    Good luck with that one.

  22. Anon
    September 12, 2010 at 10:23 am

    Right Heraldo…Virginia and Matt have cooked up this scheme to live apart just so he can make an extra $500 a month. A Plot Made for TV…

  23. Humboldt Politico
    September 12, 2010 at 10:25 am

    Virginia was replaced by Polly who was defeated by Linda therefore, Mark, he is in Ward 2. Lets not start all that stupid “which Ward are they in” stuff again.

  24. mresquan
    September 12, 2010 at 10:27 am

    “Yet Heraldo is alledging corruption of a private citizen without any proof.”

    Well I am not sure that Frank hand picking Matt regardless of anything going on behind the scenes is illegal,certainly there would be something inherently corrupt about it,but likely nothing illegal.And I would expect that Frank has been working on selecting his replacement since he opted to ditch his seat and run for mayor.This is one reason I think that the city council needs to adopt some ordinance or put together something that would be legal to require elected city officials to serve their full terms.

  25. mresquan
    September 12, 2010 at 10:31 am

    “Virginia was replaced by Polly”

    She lived outside of her ward for the last few months of her term as a council member.No big deal was made of it as she had already filed her intent to run for mayor.

  26. Anon
    September 12, 2010 at 10:33 am

    or crazy glue…its a free country Mark!

  27. Humboldt Politico
    September 12, 2010 at 10:52 am

    No Mark, she didn’t. Just because you say it doesn’t make it so.

  28. Plain Jane
    September 12, 2010 at 11:10 am

    Doesn’t Matt Owen live on “U” Street?

  29. 06em
    September 12, 2010 at 11:15 am

    If Virginia and Matt live together, and if they live at the address listed in Virginia’s Spring 2010 financial disclosure statement, and if the better-than-it-used-to-be-but-still-pretty-crappy-detailwise ward map on the city website is at all accurate, then he does live in the 4th ward of the city. Maybe some of the confusion on this thread is the geographical difference between the 4th city ward and the 4th supervisorial district, which are not at all the same thing.

  30. anonymous
    September 12, 2010 at 11:55 am

    It’s been obvious for a long time that small man Matt not only talks a big game, but he has big aspirations. Not enough to be behind-the-scenes power broker, he wants the power period. So now he is just hedging his bets. He gets the council seat, Virginia gets elected= he has twice the power. He gets the seat, Virginia loses= he still has power. The only question mark is what or who he used to convince Jager.

  31. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    September 12, 2010 at 12:50 pm

    Just how small is a man that many folks like discussing about? Seems a bit bigger than small.

    JL

  32. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    September 12, 2010 at 12:53 pm

    06em,

    explains a rational p.o.v. on jurisdictions. Good point!

    JL

  33. anonymous
    September 12, 2010 at 1:16 pm

    A few dozen folks in a small town discussing Matt on a blog does not make him a big man, except ih his own mind maybe.

  34. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    September 12, 2010 at 1:19 pm

    true above anonymous, but then again, most people apply; and, since most people apply, then by giving extra time to a select group of those “most people” means they(the selected) are bigger than most. I don’t know the man pesonally, but he is bigger than most people I am aware of on an everyday basis based on the number of and types of discussions that involve this person. Just sayin’.

    JL

  35. anonymous
    September 12, 2010 at 1:30 pm

    Yes, he is a big fish, but in a ittle pond. He is not a big man, however, and I don’t mean just physically.

  36. September 12, 2010 at 2:17 pm

    Did you cook up this crapfest in a bong party last night, H? You need some thorazine and some hot cocoa til you can come down.

  37. Reinventing The Wheel
    September 12, 2010 at 2:49 pm

    Last election Jager ran on a platform of “no agenda”. How can he get away with that again? It’s OK for a public vote on his “big box on the bay” agenda…not a true ward system…

    Bass criticizes “overpaid career politicians” while showing Jager how to dump a council seat to appoint another developer-shill and become an “overpaid career politician”…with no offers to limit their tenure, or take a pay cut.

    Hilarious.

    The issue is always the same.

    If the voters turn out, the democratic candidates have a chance.

  38. Anonymous
    September 12, 2010 at 3:28 pm

    Just check the voter rolls to know where Matt “lives”.

  39. Anonymous
    September 12, 2010 at 5:13 pm

    You picked quite the photo of Matthew. He looks like a grown up Eddy Munster here.

  40. High Finance
    September 12, 2010 at 5:44 pm

    I noticed that even Heraldo won’t support his own slimeball thread here.

  41. 06em
    September 12, 2010 at 5:54 pm

    That’s right, HiFi, Heraldo is ashamed of his own thread … wait … huh?

  42. Anonymous
    September 12, 2010 at 6:04 pm

    I think the real issue here is using a council seat to Jump to the Mayor’s seat, and then appoint a council member that has not been voted into that office. If Frank gets in he could appoint Santa Claus or Rob Arkley or, I don’t know, name somebody. That is the real point. It disenfranchises the voters of Eureka. This has happened a lot in the last few years and it is just plain wrong. Why don’t we just let the Mayor appoint the council and be done with it?

  43. A-Nony-Mouse
    September 12, 2010 at 6:14 pm

    When did Frank sit on the council before? Was it in the late nineties, as referenced in today’s TS article about the water/sewer funds debacle? Was he involved in the ‘non-agreements’ the city supposedly had with the HUD? Inquiring minds want to know!

  44. the reasonable anonymous
    September 12, 2010 at 6:47 pm

    From the original post:

    “…the Humboldt Herald has learned Jager plans to fill the vacancy with…”

    So the question is, learned from whom? At this point the source is anonymous, therefore for most of us, this is simply a rumor at this point.

    Should the source of the Herald’s “learning” come forward publicly, and that person gave some indication of where they got their information from, then we could judge whether there was any substance to the assertion, whether it was likely to be true, and if so what the ramifications might be.

    In the meantime this thread just amounts to pure speculation based on an unsubstantiated rumor. (Of course that decribes about 95% of all blog content.)

  45. Not A Native
    September 12, 2010 at 7:09 pm

    Well RA, do you remember ‘deep throat’? I’m not referring to the movie here.
    Anonymous sources for the NYTimes, Washington Post, and WSJ often are factual. Similar sources to the National Enquirer and Star often are not.

    So rather than calling for identities(ala Rose) of those who choose to remain anonymous(just like you RA), you should cogitate on H’s past performance and develop your own leads and not just sit at your computer demanding information.

  46. the reasonable anonymous
    September 12, 2010 at 7:27 pm

    I’m not demanding information, I’m just pointing out the lack of evidence given for the central claim made by this post, and opining that the claim could have a lot more credibility if the source were known. Do you disagree?

    The rumor may well turn out to be true, and I think Heraldo’s track record is pretty good, but at this point it’s still just a rumor.

    [By the way, NAN, it looks like you were quite correct in your prediction that Bob Simpson wouldn’t be able to find financing to re-open the Samoa pulp mill. According to the Times-Standard a couple of days ago, it sounds like he’s in negotiations to sell off the core equipment to some Canadian outfit.]

  47. the reasonable anonymous
    September 12, 2010 at 7:33 pm

    “Deep Throat” was just one of many sources, including named sources, used by Woodward and Bernstein in their Watergate reporting.

    Claims made by anonymous sources may turn out to be accurate (as in the case of Deep Throat,) or the may turn out to be inaccurate…the problem for the reader is that they are unable to take the identity and position of the source into account as they attempt to assess the credibility of the claim. That doens’t mean that anonymous sources aren’t useful — they are. It does mean that some significant skeprticism is in order when the only source for a claim, or all the sources for that claim, are anonymous. I think that’s only reasonable ;)

  48. A-Nony-Mouse
    September 12, 2010 at 7:42 pm

    Frank is a quitter. Period. Why else give up a voting seat for the honorific mayor’s post? This is not to belittle the mayor. That position has its responsibilities. But they are not in the same league as regular council members. I like Frank but he’s NOT the right man for mayor!

    I still want to know if Frank was on the council when all the non-agreements with the HUD were formed and what role he had in parceling out projects with utility fund money to Redevelopment or anyone else.
    I’m not accusing anyone of anything, just trying to find out.

  49. Plain Jane
    September 12, 2010 at 7:47 pm

    If this is true, and Heraldo has a pretty good track record, maybe the leak will cause them to change their plans.

  50. Oopsie Mattski
    September 12, 2010 at 8:48 pm

    He was out this weekend putting up Bass campaign signs on vacant, foreclosed-on properties. Isn’t that a no-no??

  51. Anonymous
    September 12, 2010 at 9:40 pm

    If they change there plans PJ, how will we know? I still say the real issue is jumping from city council to mayor and then appointing someone to replace you on council. Didn’t Frank get elected to be a councilman? What about the will of the people who elected him to that office? doesn’t that count for anything? It really deminishes the office and the process.

  52. Anonymous
    September 12, 2010 at 10:16 pm

    Who is the source of this information? There is nothing to indicate where this information came from. Not even the mention of an anonymous source?

  53. AnonymousX2
    September 12, 2010 at 10:47 pm

    Shall we call it speculation? It could happen. What would it mean if it did? Just imagine.

  54. Insider
    September 13, 2010 at 6:45 am

    This story is for real. The original source was Frank himself. Mike Jones was set to run, but was reluctant. Matthew Owen and other Republicans decided that Frank was their strongest candidate. They also decided if they didn’t beat Kuhnel and Glass, that Matthew would be the best at sabotaging the progressive majority.

  55. Pitchfork
    September 13, 2010 at 6:53 am

    Frank the Quitter!
    Quits the council to become Coroner
    Quits as Coroner to run for Council
    Quits the Council to run for Mayor
    Wow! Frank is giving Sarah Palin a run for biggest Quitter!

  56. Plain Jane
    September 13, 2010 at 7:07 am

    If Insider is correct then either Crawford, with his silly quasi-denial, lied again or he isn’t as much of an insider as he likes to pretend.

  57. Insider
    September 13, 2010 at 7:13 am

    Chris is just out of the loop on this. I don’t blame him for being skeptical. He’s not really part of Rob’s Repubicrat black ops team.

  58. Plain Jane
    September 13, 2010 at 7:37 am

    As Chairman of the “Yes on N Committee” Crawford is most definitely involved with Arkley’s schemes and has already lied for the cause.

  59. Insider
    September 13, 2010 at 7:59 am

    No denying that PJ, but I am just saying, they’re compartmentalized and Chris is not part of the day to day with Richard & Robin Marks, Virginia Bass, Matthew Owens and Marian Brady, the “Republicrats”. Chris is a straight up, business at any price, no apologies, George Bush style Republican.
    Matthew and his ilk are Blue on the outside Red on the inside.

  60. anonypotumus
    September 13, 2010 at 7:59 am

    Mark,

    Virginia did not live outside her district which was Ward 2 even when she ran for Mayor.

    The question is, after having the property surveyed and her supervisorial district changed from Jimmy’s to Bonnie’s in the Spring of ’09: did it also change the ward she and Mathew live in?

    I don’t think it did. Rex Bohn lives right across the street from Virginia and he is in Ward 4 and also Jimmy Smith’s supervisorial district. I believe the interpretation of the survey had to do with Virginia’s back property line not the front.

    I think the street in front of their house is the “ward” line so the change did not affect their status re: council ward.

    That’s a guess but pretty well founded in facts not fiction.

  61. Pat
    September 13, 2010 at 8:02 am

    I’m surprised that no one has yet answered Heraldo’s question, “What kind of leader allows himself to be pushed to abandon a voting position for a ceremonial one just halfway through a term? ” — Well, Virginia Bass for one… although that lady ain’t no gentleman.

  62. AnonymousX2
    September 13, 2010 at 9:55 am

    What would we have said if, say Nixon had quit and appointed Halderman as president. Keep the power in the same hands as you exit, stage left. Or should I say, “stage right”. It is a weird world we live in.

  63. anonypotumus
    September 13, 2010 at 9:56 am

    Pat,
    If you knew Frank you would know he wasn’t pushed into doing anything. He wants to be Mayor because he thinks he can have a calming influence on what has become a fairly divisive council with Larry and Linda flaming their peers whenever the vote doesn’t go their way.

    Pretty simple and no plot or sub-plot.

  64. Anonymous
    September 13, 2010 at 10:12 am

    So are you saying that Frank will fix what Virgina has broken?

  65. Anonymous
    September 13, 2010 at 10:13 am

    It’s more important to Frank that he be in a position to tell Larry to STFU than to have a vote like a real council member. What a pity.

  66. Goldie
    September 13, 2010 at 11:27 am

    Insider has named them perfectly.
    Repubicrat black ops team.

  67. Mike Buettner
    September 13, 2010 at 11:38 am

    The 4th Ward eastern boundary is Harrison Street.

  68. Eric Kirk
    September 13, 2010 at 1:16 pm

    et Heraldo is alledging corruption of a private citizen without any proof.

    Actually, there is no corruption alleged. You can pressure candidates to run for higher offices and you can pressure them to appoint you to an office. You just can’t threaten (with anything other than the denial of your vote or to organize against him) or bribe to do it.

    That being said Heraldo, I think you have a false lead here. As Humboldt Politico here points out, he doesn’t even live in the right part of town.

  69. Mike Buettner
    September 13, 2010 at 1:33 pm

    If Mathew lives with Virginia he does live in the 4th ward.

  70. Plain Jane
    September 13, 2010 at 1:36 pm

    Matt Owen is listed as living on “U” Street which is in the 4th ward of the city and the 4th district of the county unless the maps are wrong. Does he not live on “U” Street?

  71. Mike Buettner
    September 13, 2010 at 1:36 pm

    Um… maybe I will take that back. Gota go look.

  72. Mike Buettner
    September 13, 2010 at 1:43 pm

    Well that north end of U crosses the 4th and 2nd ward boundary. Mathew could be in either.

  73. Anonymous
    September 13, 2010 at 1:43 pm

    OMG don’t you people know how it hurts to have your name tossed about on the blogs and gossiped about?? This is so petty.

  74. Plain Jane
    September 13, 2010 at 1:53 pm

    On this ward map, all of “U” Street appears to be in the 4th Ward.

    http://gis.ci.eureka.ca.gov/pdfs/WARD_MAP.pdf

  75. Eric Kirk
    September 13, 2010 at 1:55 pm

    Yeah, I have to with you 1:43. This isn’t pretty. I guess it’s news if it’s true, but it’s definitely a distraction from the very important issues of the campaign.

  76. Eric Kirk
    September 13, 2010 at 1:58 pm

    It also sounds far-fetched. Something out of a television series about politics.

  77. Plain Jane
    September 13, 2010 at 2:07 pm

    If it’s true, people should know if they elect Jager for major they are essentially electing Owen to the council. What is far-fetched about it? It makes perfect sense from the perspective of a business clique that wants to control city and county government. One thing is sure, if Jager is elected mayor and is allowed to select his council replacement, it will be Owen or a ideological clone.

  78. Anonymous
    September 13, 2010 at 2:25 pm

    Hi Jane,

    I’m not sure we can assume that, and I think that is one of Eric’s points.

    I too believe Frank should serve out his term as a Council member, and if he desires to run for Mayor, he should do so in four years.

    But if we go on past history, the last appointed council member (who was thankfully replaced by Linda Atkins) was Polly Endert, who was selected by a committee that was well represented by all shades of the political spectrum.

  79. Plain Jane
    September 13, 2010 at 2:41 pm

    Bass selected Endert and only later did a committee interview and recommend her. With the division on the council then, as now, the mayor can appoint whomever they want and cast the tie breaking vote to approve.

  80. Plain Jane
    September 13, 2010 at 2:42 pm

    To clarify, I’m not saying Bass had to cast a tie breaking vote, it wasn’t necessary in that case.

  81. Humboldt Politico
    September 13, 2010 at 2:58 pm

    My understanding was the committee interviewed a bunch of people then made a recommendation of a handful to the new Mayor.

  82. AnonymousX2
    September 13, 2010 at 3:02 pm

    Eric, if it is true, it is an important issue.

  83. Eric Kirk
    September 13, 2010 at 3:03 pm

    Yeah, but I don’t believe it’s true. I think something got lost in the translation somewhere.

  84. Plain Jane
    September 13, 2010 at 3:06 pm

    See Larry Glass’ comment in particular at the end.

    http://www.northcoastjournal.com/010407/news0104.html

  85. Anonymous
    September 13, 2010 at 3:26 pm

    There is nothing far-fetched about this idea.

  86. Mike Buettner
    September 13, 2010 at 3:29 pm

    Jane – Look at a Google map. You will see houses at the north end of U that are farther north than the U street on the ward map. At one time there was a big old dilapidated mansion at the end of U. The property was purchased and cleared some 6 or so years ago. New houses were built including Rex and Virginia’s.

    Those homes seem over the boundary of the 4th ward and into the 2nd.

  87. Anonymous
  88. Too lazy myself
    September 13, 2010 at 4:50 pm

    Go to Administration, then Elections. Section 37.

    I also recommend Google Earth.

  89. High Finance
    September 13, 2010 at 6:37 pm

    This is dirty politics at its worst & Heraldo started this on purpose.

    But that doesn’t excuse Plain Jane 2.07pm for participating in this charade.

    Shame on both of you.

  90. Plain Jane
    September 13, 2010 at 6:51 pm

    What exactly is dirty about it, HiFi? Maybe it’s just me, but who Jager appoints to replace himself as a voting member of the city council (if he is elected mayor) may be the most important decision he will make in that primarily ceremonial position.

  91. Anonymous
    September 13, 2010 at 7:17 pm

    It’s only dirty if it’s not true. If it is true (time will tell), a lot of the Chicken Littles here today will be the dirty ones.

  92. Not A Native
    September 13, 2010 at 7:26 pm

    I say its fair for Jager to be asked if elected mayor, how he will handle selecting his replacement. It would be unfair to ask him to deny he’ll choose Owen.

  93. September 13, 2010 at 7:47 pm

    Jager calls citizens with legitimate quarrels with the city “extortionists” but says he will somehow bring peace to the divided factions?

    Jager made such pointed accusations late last year before checking the facts. Instead, he took the most extreme talking points before investigating the matter.

    The Humboldt Herald will be happy to be proven wrong on the Owen appointment. But Frank’s track record shows he’s a total push-over when Owen exerts a little pressure.

  94. High Finance
    September 13, 2010 at 8:54 pm

    Heraldo dares to accuse somebody else of making pointed accusations before checking the facts ?

    LOL

  95. September 13, 2010 at 8:55 pm

    Look in the mirror, HiFi.

  96. Just Liberal
    September 13, 2010 at 9:07 pm

    Listen to yourselves. You’re acting like children. Your interested and adoring readers beg for higher political discourse.

  97. Anonymous
    September 13, 2010 at 9:10 pm

    Only 50 days ’til the election.

  98. ONCE A LIBERAL
    September 13, 2010 at 9:35 pm

    What stinks is that Frank may follow the exact path of Virginia.

  99. AnonymousX2
    September 13, 2010 at 9:39 pm

    HIFI are you implying that there are no dirty tricks happening on your side of the fence? In reading some of the republicrat blogs, they sounds pretty mean spirited to me. And how much truth is there in what they are saying? Be truthful please.

  100. Watchful Observer
    September 13, 2010 at 9:43 pm

    Yep, Jager at council meeting calls those who sue to enforce the law “extortionists”, then runs as the “kinder, gentler” candidate for mayor.

    Just like George W. Bush, and we know where that got us….

  101. Watchful Observer
    September 13, 2010 at 9:45 pm

    Asking HiFi to be truthful is like asking a hungry fox to guard the henhouse.

    Good luck with that!

  102. AnonymousX2
    September 13, 2010 at 10:38 pm

    Just trying to point out how two faced he is.

  103. Anonymous
    September 14, 2010 at 12:13 am

    Yes. He is the only person around here who is not 100% good and kind and consistent. Ha!

  104. Matthew Bass
    September 14, 2010 at 7:58 am

    Frank and I must defend the Tyson legacy. There’s much at stake here.

  105. High Finance
    September 14, 2010 at 8:41 am

    X2, I am not reading any of the conservative blogs I am reading this one & once expected better things.

    I was wrong.

  106. Billy
    September 14, 2010 at 8:41 am

    Was that picture taken at his arraignment on racketeering charges?

  107. Plain Jane
    September 14, 2010 at 8:49 am

    HiFi, you still haven’t explained what is dirty about discussing who a mayor might appoint as his replacement on the council so apparently you can’t. Isn’t whining “dirty politics” about every issue you don’t want discussed dirty politics?

  108. High Finance
    September 14, 2010 at 9:36 am

    Are you serious Jane? Or just pretending you don’t understand?

  109. anonypotumus
    September 14, 2010 at 12:15 pm

    Uhhh, Mike….Virginia was a council member for the second ward. She has not moved, so what ward do you think Mathew lives in?

    It is true Rex, who lives across the street is in ward 4, hence his run against Kerrigan for the 4th ward council seat. It does help to stay informed before you post, don’t you think?

    Mathew did have their property surveyed several times in order to change Virginia’s supervisorial district. The line in question was at the rear of their property not between them and Rex. That line was murky at best and now Virginia is in the first Supervisorial district.

    Rex is still in Jimmy Smith’s district.

  110. Mike Buettner
    September 14, 2010 at 12:28 pm

    Thanks for the clarification.

  111. A-Nony-Mouse
    September 14, 2010 at 1:32 pm

    Anonypotumus, are you saying Virginia no longer lives in the County’s 4th District? If that’s true then she can’t be running for 4th District Supervisor, can she? What gives?

    As for the rest, I guess I could agree with HiFI, but then we’d BOTH be wrong!!

  112. Plain Jane
    September 14, 2010 at 1:39 pm

    I have asked repeatedly for you to explain what is dirty politics about discussing who Jager might appoint to the council if he wins. Maybe the problem is you are just too dumb to understand the question. Or are you just pretending because you don’t have an answer?

  113. Plain Jane
    September 14, 2010 at 3:04 pm

    You made things clear as mud, Anonypotumus.

  114. High Finance
    September 14, 2010 at 5:22 pm

    Plain Jane, you are a kool aide drinker that is for sure.

    So how did Matt Owens “pressure” Jaeger to give up a voting spot as councilman for a “ceremonial” spot as Mayor & “twisted his arm” to then turn around and appoint Matt in the councilman spot? Bribery or extortion? Both are illegal.

    Don’t bother to respond if you are going to continue to be stupid.

  115. AnonymousX2
    September 14, 2010 at 6:32 pm

    Jane, you might want to disengage with HiFi, the right knight, as you only serve to feed his appetite for meaningless word sparing. He is waiting out there to twist other’s words “pressure”, “twist his arm”, “bribery, “extortion”, “stupid”. He is baiting anyone who has an apposing view to have a jousting match, taking you off message.

    Leave him alone and he’ll go home, dragging his tail behind him. It is boring when you are not recognized for being a clever lad.

  116. High Finance
    September 14, 2010 at 6:56 pm

    X2 ? Pressure & twist his arm are Heraldo’s words, not mine. Its Heraldo’s “message” not mine.

  117. Plain Jane
    September 14, 2010 at 7:00 pm

    Nah, X2. If HiFi wanted to be considered clever he would restrict himself to posting at Fred’s, Rose’s or the cracked Mirror.

    HiFi, regardless of the rhetoric used, this is STILL a discussion about who Jager will appoint if he is elected mayor. It’s unrealistic to expect people not to speculate about why these quitters are seeking higher office. If we’re lucky Jager will lose and it’s a moot argument. If we aren’t so lucky and Jager wins, all this chatter may result in a better Jager replacement. This is a politically relevant discussion since, as I stated previously, the choice of his replacement will very likely be the most important decision Jager makes as mayor.

  118. September 14, 2010 at 7:00 pm

    If you want to know how Frank’s arm was twisted by Owen, ask Frank. He’s out there admitting to people that he was pressured by Owen to run for mayor.

  119. AnonymousX2
    September 14, 2010 at 8:21 pm

    Plain Jane, I agree with you. It is a very relevant topic. Why would Jager just switch from a position of power to one of a ceremonial nature? There is a background story there that needs to be aired. If not pressure from Owen, what is the reason. Didn’t he really want a third term as councilman? Since it is a public office, the public who put him in that seat deserve an answer. Why give him yet another public job voted on by the public without knowing why he wants to switch. I am sure it is not just wanting a kinder gentler atmosphere at council. That is a very weak reason to change seats, with thousands of votes and thousands of dollars at stake. I, for one, will not waste a vote with so much potentially at risk. This seems to be making a weird game of a public office.

  120. High Finance
    September 15, 2010 at 10:10 am

    First of all, the Mayor has more power than you guys are dismissing. He makes appointments & runs the meetings. But also, being THE Mayor appeals to most people’s egos than just being one of five councilmen.

    Nobody remembers who was a councilman just four years after they leave the job. A councilman is just one of five & most people can not name all five.

    But the Mayor is remembered for many years & gets mentioned in all the “look back” stories decades later. The Mayor is the one person who represents the city & can set the mood at council meetings.

  121. Plain Jane
    September 15, 2010 at 10:15 am

    But you didn’t dispute the fact that being able to choose his successor IS the most important decision he will make as mayor so it is an important topic of discussion, not dirty tricks, HiFi, Jager’s ego aside.

  122. Anonymous
    September 15, 2010 at 11:01 am

    HiFi, checked the mood at council meetings lately?

  123. AnonymousX2
    September 15, 2010 at 4:36 pm

    What we get with Frank is someone who is ego driven and wants to be remembered as “The Mayor” for years after he is gone. That is a great reason? Would that be the motive our our current “mayor la fem” as well? That sounds like a reason not to vote for him.

  124. The Monitor
    September 16, 2010 at 10:06 am

    Just out driving and notice a Jager sign that said “for city council”. That is going to be confusing for some folks. It must be that his funds are low to use old council signs. Just wondering.

  125. Anonymous
    September 16, 2010 at 12:07 pm

    Someone doesnt want him to leave the council is more like it.

  126. now i understand
    September 18, 2010 at 10:29 am

    according to High @9:15 above, Councilmember Jager is moving on because he wants to establish a historic legacy to feed his ego.

    Oh!

    Well that is the person I want in a leadership position. A fragile sense of self that requires the adulation and approval of others to validate their existence.

    The rest of you chumps can waste your votes on candidates that focus their energies on the needs of the community.

    I want to be sure that the future MAYOR Jager gets a statue.

  127. Anonymous
    September 27, 2010 at 8:40 am

    Is it true that Matt Owen is going to be the moderator for the LWV debate on KEET?

  128. Anonymous
    September 27, 2010 at 8:50 am

    No. It is moderated by the League of Women Voters.

  129. Anonymous
    September 27, 2010 at 9:00 am

    Yes, I hear that Matt Owen is new active member of the LWV and will be doing that as a member of that organization. BTW you don’t have to be a woman to be a member.

  130. Plain Jane
    September 27, 2010 at 9:21 am

    People threw a fit over Sims moderating the supervisors’ debate because Cleary owned the station on which it would be broadcast. The LWV can’t possibly think Owen would be a credible moderator. It’s a crazy idea.

  131. Pitchfork
    September 27, 2010 at 9:25 am

    LWV should distantance themselves from this wanna be Karl Rove clown!

  132. Anonymous
    September 27, 2010 at 9:26 am

    I heard he will at least be reviewing debate questions.

  133. Plain Jane
    September 27, 2010 at 9:56 am

    Owen’s involvement in the debate at any level will destroy LWV’s credibility.

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