Clarke Museum funding debate

Eureka City Manager Dave Tyson said he got “taken to the wood shed.”

Councilmember Mike Jones said it “soured his milk.”

But the question asked by Councilwoman Linda Atkins was simple enough: why must the City Council revisit issues that have been previously decided?

Here is part 1 of the debate from Tuesday’s City Council meeting to consider funding the Clarke Historical Museum with redevelopment funds. To watch the rest go to the archive and fast forward to 3:21:00.

The motion passed 3-2 with Frank Jager and Jeff Leonard dissenting.  After promising to vote against it, Jones switched gears at the last minute after Councilman Larry Glass played “the grandchild card,” even though Jones said it made him want to throw up.

Was Atkins out of line?  Is Jones a drama queen?  Does staff mislead councilmembers on issues like museum funding and the Jefferson School purchase only to throw an unexpected curve ball on a later agenda?

Grab a cup of coffee and hold your cookies as you watch this segment of the meeting which began some 3.25 hours after the meeting started, by which time most mortals had long since tuned out.

  1. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    September 26, 2010 at 8:54 am

    Atkins has thus far been a wonderful public servatnt who gets an 8.5 outta 10 on the approval scale. Her and Larry have been really asking lately about costs – a key feature for a free society to last!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Jeffrey Lytle
    McKinleyville – 5th District

  2. Anonymous
    September 26, 2010 at 9:06 am

    Might it be a shot across the bow to Pam Service for challenging the Brady Bunch?

  3. anon
    September 26, 2010 at 10:14 am

    Mr. City Manager Tyson, I hope this reaffirms your decision to retire. You’re looking & sounding old, worn out, unprofessional & overly sensitive.

  4. insider
    September 26, 2010 at 10:20 am

    The word is he could be convinced to stay if the brady bunch wins. He wants a rise.

  5. anon
    September 26, 2010 at 10:34 am

    Given the sleazy activities revealed in the Hansen lawsuit depositions, you’d think that his wife would be putting pressure on him to get outta there.

  6. Anonymous
    September 26, 2010 at 10:45 am

    Political payback? Could be. That Brady Bunch are a mean bunch of suckers.

  7. Voter
    September 26, 2010 at 11:29 am

    I’m disappointed too–Tyson should have been taken to the woodshed a long time ago.

    Not sure what Pam Service’s offense is but I did hear a few years ago that she was going to run for City Council–until Arkley told her he’d have her fired from the Clarke Museum.

  8. Reinventing The Wheel
    September 26, 2010 at 2:02 pm

    Easy to “loose your cookies” hearing Jones thrash Atkins for not being “tender” enough, then segue into Jack McKeller’s legacy… Thrashing is good when it’s Jones or one of his own doing it?

    Put a live monkey in the museum, and it wouldn’t have been on the agenda again?

  9. anon
    September 26, 2010 at 3:11 pm

    Here is the plan: Brady Bunch takes the council, they “beg” Tyson and his cronies to stay on and he agrees under contract at big raise, ending progressive dirrection of Eureka. Jones let it slip later when he said he wished Tyson would stay. It has been the plan all along withe the slate running against the progressives, they want to continue business as usual where staff controls the council. If he cant contro
    l and micromanage the council like he does staff then Tyson doesnt want to stay. So vote in the BradyBunch and watch the City continue down the drain.

  10. Living In Eureka
    September 26, 2010 at 4:20 pm

    Heraldo, it is about time someone brought this situation before the public. TS was there & not a peep – they really dropped the ball!

    Linda was NOT out of line, she’s a hero & we should give her a damn parade! We elected her to do just what she did! The 3 blind mice up there have forgotten what their job is!

    Tyson needs to remember, when my money pays for your job, I get to question you about every aspect of any situation, regarding your job! Linda is the person I elected to ask the hard questions. It was nice to see somebody knew what her job was!!!

    Jones, put a sock in it – YOU WERE SOOOO OUT OF LINE. That little tyrannical rambling of yours was sooo low class & purposely hurtful. I am truly ashamed of you.

    Virgina, you need to learn when to keep your mouth shut! The light is on upstairs, but nobody is home!! May the heavens help us all if you get elected as a Supervisor!

    Last but not least – Larry, I watched & then I watched again! I don’t know how you did it, but you saved that idiot from himself & save our museum! Thank you & you should be in the parade with Linda.

    Time & time again… Linda & Larry …. The voice of reason in this Crazy city!

  11. anon
    September 26, 2010 at 4:29 pm

    Ditto.

    Tyson: I am the boss, don’t dare question me.
    Jones: My brain is getting pickled, that’s my excuse.
    Bass: I never had a brain.

  12. anon
    September 26, 2010 at 6:09 pm

    Jones is a clown with no class whatsoever and Virginia is dumb as a rockand should have kept her mouth shut.I cant believe Leonard kept his mouth shut. Only smart thing he did all night. Bottom line is Cindy Trobitz and Tyson dont like the politics of the museum director so they were jacking her around. Same old shit that has been going on for years. I will be so glad when these idiots are gone and hope the new city manager cleans house of the incompetents in city hall. It is no wonder this city is such a mess with governance like this for the past decade.

  13. anonymous
    September 26, 2010 at 7:18 pm

    Arkley & Tyson, 2 peas in a pod, 1 picks up his marbles and goes home when he doesn’t get his way, the other whines and throws ’em around.

  14. Mitch
    September 26, 2010 at 7:28 pm

    This is amazing video, Heraldo, and I hope you post a link to more of the discussion. It deserves to be widely seen.

    First, Linda Atkins points out that what has already been decided should not be undecided. She is calm, dignified, and completely respectful.

    Then, Mike Jones declares this to be a personal attack on the city manager. This leaves Mike Jones terribly offended.

    So Larry Glass points out that he thinks the issue should be the survivability of the museum, so that his granddaughter can go.

    So Mike Jones, who claims to be “offended” by invisible personal attacks, talks about the risk of “throwing up” because of Larry Glass’ comments and wants to make a point about “somebody’s style,” saying “tender is not in some people’s dictionary.” He then referred to “condescending, low” utterances. Again, I hope people watch the video to try to find any, until Jones opens up.

    The personal attacks came hot and heavy from Mike Jones and from no one else.

  15. mresquan
    September 26, 2010 at 8:29 pm

    Mike Jones,talking about someone else being condescending and low?Remember this?NCJournal June,9,2005

    Rally ’round the Bird
    Eureka city councilmember, neighbors feud over wild peacock

    by Helen Sanderson

    No one is denying that the caterwauling mating call of a peacock can be annoying.

    But whether or not the sound is so vexing that it warrants inclusion on Eureka’s City Council agenda and calls to police is a question that has residents of one Eureka neighborhood joining forces to protect a semi-wild specimen from City Councilmember Mike Jones’ crusade to banish it from the city.

    Around October, the peacock showed up in Eureka’s Fifth Ward near the corner of Huntoon and C streets. It has been there ever since, often in the yard of Kathleen Becker and her partner, Linda Byrd.

    “My neighbors have all said to me, `He’s beautiful, he’s special,'” Becker said last week.

    Though it often frequents other homes as well, the bird has become such a part of Becker/Byrd household that they have given it a name — “Punjab,” after the peacock’s native pecking grounds in India.

    So when animal control officers arrived at Becker and Byrd’s house on June 1 asking to go into their yard to capture the peacock, Becker said no.

    “I wanted to do some research about this first and see what other neighbors thought about it,” Becker said.

    It was only after this incident that they found out that the neighbor most opposed to the peacock’s presence was their representative on the city council, Mike Jones, who had brought the matter to the city council weeks earlier after it had kept him awake several nights.

    Becker decided to take action. After talking to some nearby neighbors the next day, and finding that other people liked the peacock, Becker canvassed the neighborhood with a petition.

    Twenty-five neighbors from 19 households in the area where the bird roosts signed the petition stating that they “consider [the peacock] more of an asset than a detriment to our community. We are advocates for this animal and do not wish to see him harassed, impounded, or harmed in any way.”

    At the May 17 council meeting, Jones requested city staff to explore how the city should go about removing the peacock from the area. He said that neighbors had contacted him to complain about the noise.

    No action was taken at the meeting, but City Attorney Dave Tranberg said that staff has looked into the issue and that it is animal control’s job to settle the dispute and possibly find a new home for the bird.

    [Mike Jones]Some neighbors see Jones’ measures as blatant impudence and a waste of the council’s time and taxpayers’ money.

    “Two weeks ago someone broke into my ATV trailer and took some wrenches,” said Bud Nees, a retired postal worker who has lived in the neighborhood for 34 years. “My renters’ window in his car was smashed, and nothing is ever done. But when they use city resources to hunt down a bird — the only nuisance is [Mike Jones], and he doesn’t represent the people in his neighborhood. He didn’t ask any of us what we thought.”

    Animal Control Officer Rob Patton said Eureka police are is still looking at how they should proceed with the issue, and that one option is to relocate the bird to the Trinity Lake ranch of another officer who keeps a flock of peacocks.

    According to Patton, residents from three neighborhood locations have called Animal Control to complain about the peacock.

    The dispute between Jones and the neighborhood’s pro-peacock faction came to a head Saturday, when Nees heard someone shooting a BB gun down the alley. From his driveway, Nees saw Punjab fly off a fence, letting loose with four or five loud squawks as he descended into a neighbor’s yard.

    Nees, 71, ran down the alley to where the shots came from — Mike Jones’ yard. He questioned Jones’ son, who is in his 20s, about the gunshots.

    “I asked the kid, are you shooting at that bird and he said, `What’s it to you?'” Nees recalled, adding that he told the young man to leave the bird alone.

    “And he says something to the effect of, `I’ll shoot anything I want.’ One thing leads to another and he says, `I’ll jump over the fence and come down there and we’ll have it out.’ And I said, `Come on.'”

    Meanwhile, Becker called 911 while Byrd went outside to see what was going on. By that time, Jones and his wife had arrived.

    “They started shouting, `It’s not your business, get out of here,'” Byrd later said. “Then the son says, `Why don’t you go back and kiss your girlfriend.’ He said, `I can have a friend come over and beat you up.'”

    Jones said that his son was not shooting at the peacock. Public Information Officer Suzie Owsley confirmed that police did not find evidence that the bird was shot at.

    “[My four sons] have all been taught not to shoot the bird,” Jones said. “They shoot cans, Pepsi cans, root beer cans. When I was a kid I did the same thing. I may have even shot a bird once.”

    The police have been to the Jones’ house before, when Becker called them after one of Jones boys allegedly shot at robins in her yard a few months ago.

    [peacock feather]Becker and Byrd said that they have been the target of petty harassment from the Jones’ for years. According to the couple, who are avid gardeners, their rose bushes have been cut down and plants run over with a truck by the Jones boys, who have also yelled homophobic taunts like, “Kill all the fags!”

    In the summer of 2002, before Jones was elected to council, the family posted a placard in support of Proposition 22 — a 2000 state measure that banned gay marriage — on the back of their house, facing into Becker and Byrd’s back yard. It was not visible to any other household.

    Jones said that Byrd and Becker vandalized the Prop. 22 sign when it was in his front yard in 2000 and he kept it as a memento. (Becker denies vandalizing Jones’ sign, but did admit that she had taken a sign from someone else’s front yard.) He said that he did not know that his sons placed the sign on the back of the house years later.

    As for their comments he said, “Boys will be boys.”

  16. September 26, 2010 at 9:11 pm

    This is amazing video, Heraldo, and I hope you post a link to more of the discussion. It deserves to be widely seen.

    I posted the link to the uncut meeting, pubic comment and all. Readers should check out the whole 35-minute “shameful moment” as Larry Glass called it.

    Again, here’s the link. Fast-forward to 3:21:00 for the full discussion.

  17. A-Nony-Mouse
    September 26, 2010 at 9:26 pm

    Poor, poor, pitiful Mike. I wonder which elbowwas hurting the most that night.
    And poor, poor, pitiful Dave. Some critical questions and a councilperson expressing her frustration with ‘business as usual’ in city hall and the poor biy folds. If he was really worried about his legacy, he could have changed years ago. Too late now.
    If the Bass/Tyson regime retains power, this city is in the most serious possible trouble. Oh, maybe the Brady bunch can just fix everything. They’d better hurry, though, ’cause it’s time for a commercial.
    What a joke!

  18. A-Nony-Mouse
    September 26, 2010 at 9:26 pm

    Taht’s “poor BOY folds”

  19. A-Nony-Mouse
    September 26, 2010 at 9:27 pm

    Ok what’s a little lysdexia among friends?

  20. The Monitor
    September 26, 2010 at 9:43 pm

    Could it be that Tyson got caught trying to cut the museum and then had to weasel out of it by never answering Linda’s question and saying he and staff are so, so busy. The job is just really, really hard. Then he feels it is a personal affront to him and tears up. Then the mayor and the white horse on the far left get bent as well and ties into Linda for asking a direct question about wanting to know why council is revisiting something that has already been decided. What is it with these people that are so sensitive about clearing up something that wasn’t clear. It is time for staff to calm down and not let their personal problems get in the way of doing their jobs. Way to go Linda and Larry. When a town turns it’s back on it’s history, that town has no future.

  21. September 26, 2010 at 9:47 pm

    Tyson didn’t like being questioned “at this point in his career.” Apparently he gets a free pass until retirement.

  22. Anon
    September 26, 2010 at 10:08 pm

    Heraldo, and at “this point in your career as a blogger, when do you establish relevancy?”

    I think never, so long as you lob criticism anonymously from the cheap seats.

    Keep up the good work.

  23. September 26, 2010 at 10:17 pm

    Oh, the pain! Such harsh criticism coming from “Anon.”

    But thanks for your continual contribution to the comment threads.

  24. Voice of Reason
    September 26, 2010 at 10:21 pm

    Tip of the hat to you too; and never stop typing for the truth! What bravado!

  25. September 26, 2010 at 10:28 pm

    Save me a little time, please, and clear up a question I have::—

    Did The Honorable Councilwoman Linda Atkins,

    (1) Make her presentation and ask the question, about why the matter of funding the Clarke Historical Museum was being raised again (“business as usual”?), THERE AT THE COUNCIL MEETING ONLY?; OR

    (2) Did Councilwoman Atkins also inquire of the staff about the matter before the September 21st meeting, with scripted notes?

    If the latter, what is known about the inquiry and the earlier presentation?

    Thank you.

  26. September 26, 2010 at 10:32 pm

    There is much ado about Linda’s scripted comments. Perhaps it’s a cover for Tyson’s lack of an answer.

  27. September 26, 2010 at 10:34 pm

    What bravado!

    Thanks “Voice of Reason,” aka “Anon.” Keep switching up those pseudonyms are pretty soon it will look like you have an army.

  28. Voice of Reason
    September 26, 2010 at 10:35 pm

    Or perhaps an indication that the question was scripted, politically motivated, and irrelevant!

  29. September 26, 2010 at 10:38 pm

    Linda wrote down her comments before hand — the horror!

    If her questions were “politically motivated, and irrelevant” they should have been easily answered. They weren’t.

    How long until the next issue already decided by the council suddenly appears on the agenda?

  30. Voice of Reason
    September 26, 2010 at 10:46 pm

    The questions were answered, and quite directly I might add. What was the story? What was the relevance of the posting? Lets hear your spin; because all I viewed was a frustrated criticism, and an honest retort.

    What would you have us believe?

  31. September 26, 2010 at 10:49 pm

    The post leaves it up to the viewer. Some may believe Tyson shouldn’t be questioned at this point in his career. Others do not.

    Jones is anything but direct.

  32. September 26, 2010 at 10:50 pm

    HEY HI ASTUTE OBSERVERS!!

    Please answer my question::—

    Did Atkins upbraid the staff with her questions BEFORE September 21st Council meeting; OR was that THE FIRST TIME she approached City Manager Tyson and his staff with her perfectly reasonable inquiry — about why the same business is conducted duplicate times — after a vote had been taken months earlier?

    Thanks a lot!!

  33. Anonymous
    September 26, 2010 at 10:54 pm

    So the director of the museum Pam Service, shuts down Brady and the Democratic Central Committee endorsement, and now it’s payback time. Eureka politics at its best.

  34. Voice of Reason
    September 26, 2010 at 10:58 pm

    But he was questioned, so the point is not relevant. Whether or not Jones is direct or not is up to the viewer.

    And my point is the post leaves no backdrop for the “viewer” to draw an informed decision regarding the subject matter. One would have to understand the budget issue from June, which most “viewers” probably do not.

    It appears like just another lame attempt to capture a sound bite that sheds an unfavorable light on the subject; or a favorable one on the right subject.

  35. September 26, 2010 at 11:00 pm

    It’s not a sound bite. The video shows Linda’s comments and Tyson’s retort. The link takes you to the entire drama. Make of it what you will.

  36. Plain Jane
    September 26, 2010 at 11:04 pm

    I listened to it all. The over-the-top defensiveness and anger expressed by Jones, Jager and Tyson over Atkin’s reasonable comments was drama queen crap, probably planned in advance and far more offensive than anything Atkins expressed.

  37. Voice of Reason
    September 26, 2010 at 11:05 pm

    I did

  38. taxed
    September 26, 2010 at 11:08 pm

    The best Mike Jones dramatic performance yet!

  39. armchair watcher
    September 26, 2010 at 11:16 pm

    Virginia just can’t help herself. She only opens her mouth to change feet.

  40. tired of asshats
    September 27, 2010 at 1:01 am

    great coverage, heraldo.
    superior work.
    i can’t wait to see def leonard leave-i hope the doggie door hits him in the butt as he waddles away.
    jager is still nothing more than the world’s most active corpse.
    i agree with the previous posters assertion that there would be no debate if a live monkey had been put in the museum.

  41. Ragtime
    September 27, 2010 at 1:15 am

    Linda Atkins has earned my respect and Mike Jones has again shown himself incapable of showing respect for anyone including himself.

    “Living in Eureka” deserves high praise for that excellent analysis of the situation.

    Regarding the Peacock Indident: It is illegal to shoot BB guns within Eureka City Limits. Why weren’t the Jones Boys cited by the Eureka Police Department for their repeated violations of this city ordinance? Did Council Member Jones apply undue pressure on EPD not to enforce the law? Or is that just one of the many laws EPD chooses not to enforce against “the Elite?”

  42. insider
    September 27, 2010 at 8:17 am

    “Or perhaps an indication that the question was scripted”
    Scripted! What does that mean? Is Jones referring to the common Tyson practice of telling the Mayor and the 3 stooges exactly what to say during council discussions, or does he mean that Linda wrote her thoughts down ahead of time?
    These guys really are the Brady bunch!
    God help us all!

  43. Hic
    September 27, 2010 at 8:32 am

    Might I suggest people not have so many cocktails prior to making public comment at Council Meetings — 03:29 at the link

  44. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    September 27, 2010 at 8:42 am

    Isn’t using the “Brady Bunch” in any context to advertize a copywrite or patent infringement?

    JL

  45. Harold h. Greene
    September 27, 2010 at 8:50 am

    they called him mr. Jones …

  46. Welles
    September 27, 2010 at 8:52 am

    Maybe this begs the real question, “Is the Clarke Historical Museum really worth any City funds, whether coffers be full or not?” I’d say no.

    The Clarke Historical Museum is really not much more than a bunch of mediocre collectibles with little to no true curatorial focus. I’d love it to be something else and maybe it could be with a better curator/director, but as it stands the museum is really just kinda’ junky. Frankly, I’ve been to more interesting antiques stores, with far more items of “historical interest.” Honestly? We have more historic items in our own home and numerous collections for goodness sakes; certainly they are displayed better.

    The building is, agreed, fantastic. But as a museum it’s just a total mess. What few items are of local, historic interest or cultural history could easily be put on display at the library and use that building for some other purpose.

  47. insider
    September 27, 2010 at 9:22 am

    divert and distract Welles or Matt who ever you are?

  48. Anonymous
    September 27, 2010 at 9:28 am

    Welles, I’m sure the museum would be happy to have you donate and help out.

  49. fax
    September 27, 2010 at 9:53 am

    idiots.. the money was bugeted in july, redevelopment law requires findings and consistencey with that law. now becuse linda doesn’t understand the process she is some sort of local government hero for being ignorant? How much more idiotic spin are we going to see out out the heraldos until november or beyond?

  50. Plain Jane
    September 27, 2010 at 10:02 am

    Fax apparently missed the issue being discussed. It’s about the 3 stooges plus their straight man Tyson throwing a hissy fit over Atkins’ civil remarks about having to revisit issues already passed. The legality of the funding source should have been settled before it was put in the friggin budget and passed.

  51. insider
    September 27, 2010 at 10:12 am

    Fax you know that was a cover for Cindi to kill it later. If it was that routine, it would have been on the consent calendar. Tyson ignored Linda so it went public.

  52. by the bay
    September 27, 2010 at 12:04 pm

    I reviewed the video link– twice– and all reader’s comments posted here.

    I’m in agreement with most of the poster’s comments: Linda Atkins was right on the mark and very appropriate in her comments and correct, rational, decision-making.

    Mr. Jones and Ms. Bass came off as odd, unusual, and quite confusing to me in their observations and comments. Mr. Tyson needs to answer such questions reasonably and calmly as City Manager.

    Mr. Leonard and Mr. Jager’s comments were fine. Mr. Glass, as always, did a fine job of being on the right side of a righteous issue.

    Lastly, I get the impression all of these players do not play or get along well with one another.

  53. Plain Jane
    September 27, 2010 at 12:23 pm

    Let’s hope Jones took his own advice and reviewed the tape himself and will immediately apologize for his off the wall tantrum and attack on Atkins. Doesn’t it make you wonder what was going on in the closed door session that had the stooges ready to explode? Friggin surreal!

  54. Anonymous
    September 27, 2010 at 12:44 pm

    After almost eight years of sitting up there playing the buffoon, Jones managed to reach a new low with this one.

  55. by the bay
    September 27, 2010 at 12:46 pm

    Oh, I forgot to mention in my comments above a ‘thank you’ to Heraldo and the website, and for this informative issue and link. It’s a splendid addition to my morning newspaper and coffee, and a civic contribution for all concerned.

    I’m reminded it’s always better to be a civic service… rather than a civic menace.

  56. The Monitor
    September 27, 2010 at 1:26 pm

    Welles, Maybe you missed that Native basket collection in the other room. It is the largest collection of N. Calif basketry in the world. It is a rare look at, what is considered, some of the best native basket makers in the western U.S. Just because you have no interest in your local history, Native or European, don’t denigrate it. If we ignore our history, we diminish our future.
    The museum has very little money to work with, so you might want to make a donation to help improve their displays, if you are so offended.
    Linda was right to ask the question and Tyson and his defenders need to calm down. The only reason it has gotten so much comment is that Tyson over reacted. Not very professional.

  57. tenth street dreamer
    September 27, 2010 at 1:54 pm

    I had no idea that Tyson’s work load was getting that bad. The mass evacuation of city employees has taken its toll on him. However, it is obvious that Virginia has a comforting shoulder for him to cry on. As Lewis Black would say, “life is just so hard”.

  58. fax
    September 27, 2010 at 1:59 pm

    Plain jane and others.. It had to be brought back to the council even though it was put in the budget months ago. Under redevelopment law findings have to be made. Those findings were such a stretch from being consistent with code it is beyond a risk to make the donation work for the museum. These are not consent agenda findings nor findings that could have been made during the buget process. But becasue Linda and all you folks don’t get it, Linda is a hero. Humboldt County is the only place I know where stupidity is an attribute.

  59. Plain Jane
    September 27, 2010 at 2:32 pm

    There is no possible reason an opinion couldn’t have been rendered on the legality of using redevelopment funds for the museum before they put it in the budget. Which of the stooges are you, Fax?

  60. Welles
    September 27, 2010 at 2:43 pm

    “….Just because you have no interest in your local history, Native or European, don’t denigrate it. If we ignore our history, we diminish our future.”

    You mean history like Sonny and Cher dolls and broken bits of pharmaceutical bottles? Or maybe the errant stereopticon slides that have no reference to anything remotely associated with northern California? Perhaps the hodge podge of grannie’s purses and hats?

    Agreed, the baskets are quite interesting and much of that collection and could easily be exhibited in full or in rotating exhibits at the local library, where it would likely see more traffic and generate wider interest and knowledge of our local native American history. The rest of the curatorial focus? Bah.

  61. fax
    September 27, 2010 at 2:56 pm

    Plain Jane I’m not one of the stooges I do however understand local and california law. David’s problem with this non-issue is apoligizing to Linda for no reason. Just because Linda, and now apparantly others on this blog, don’t get it, the City doesn’t either. Bullocks. NO the City and other jurisdictions put place holders in their budgets, especially when the findings have to be creative to support a non-profit. The findings the city actually present to Council last tuesdays were extremely “bent” in favor of the museum. In fact a good attorney could probably deem them non-legally definsible. THe City did go out on a limb, and yes had to debate a menu of findings. This discussion is typically left to another date and time. The council understood this except Linda. Again, because she does not get it… she is now a hero? As I stated only in backwoods Humboldt County can ignorance be spun to honorable staff bashing.

  62. Plain Jane
    September 27, 2010 at 3:02 pm

    You sure SOUND like one of the stooges. Exactly what did Atkins say that was “staff bashing?”

  63. Reinventing The Wheel
    September 27, 2010 at 3:02 pm

    How many public hearings were there for the Zoo? Surely, the city council would want more public input prior to cutting funding for the city’s Old Town historical museum…at a fraction of the Zoo’s cost?

    Thanks Heraldo…

    This single video provides the best evidence for returning the city manager’s position to serve at the pleasure of the council’s majority vote.

    The video illustrates a serious imbalance of power that deluded the manager with the privilege of being “offended” by a calm and rational question from an elected official. Any answer would have been better than, “we’re too busy, I’m offended”.

    The only emotional name-calling that night was from the “Tender-Police”.

  64. fax
    September 27, 2010 at 3:10 pm

    Reinventing the wheel… The City zoo is a city department that does not require bending redevelopment law to fund it, the Clark did last tuesday.

    Plain Jane, Linda’s questions were insulting just becasue she doesn’t understand basic government law, the City doesn’t either.

  65. fax
    September 27, 2010 at 3:12 pm

    I’m not a stooge. I am however involved in the legal field.

  66. Plain Jane
    September 27, 2010 at 3:15 pm

    If you find questions from council members insulting, you might be Mike Tyson.

  67. fax
    September 27, 2010 at 3:26 pm

    Mike Tyson the boxer? I’ll bite your ear plain jane…
    No I’m not affiliated with the City of Eureka.

  68. Ragtime
    September 27, 2010 at 3:45 pm

    What explains the fact that I tuned in to Channel 10 to hear the Eureka City Council meeting Tuesday night at the exact moment Linda Atkins began her prepared remarks?

    I missed the beginning of the meeting and suddenly remembered to tune in. I was just in time to see the fireworks.

    Was this a coincidence? Or was it something else?

  69. Plain Jane
    September 27, 2010 at 3:56 pm

    Funny how Mike Tyson comes to mind when talking about combative people. :)

    I think something might have lit the fuse in the closed door session, Reinventing. There was nothing apparent until Atkin’s made her comments and then the fireworks exploded, way out of proportion to her comments, as you saw. Maybe it was meant as a distraction and if so, it worked.

  70. Plain Jane
    September 27, 2010 at 3:59 pm

    Oops, I meant Ragtime, not Reinventing. I need a nap.

  71. tenth street dreamer
    September 27, 2010 at 5:38 pm

    What are these findings that need to be vetted? Do they have to refind the findings every year? Especially odd in view of the fact that the museum has been getting part of it’s funding from the same redevelopment fund for some years now. What is new to be found? How much time would it take for a staff person to find these findings? Help me see what the big deal is.

  72. Decline to State
    September 27, 2010 at 5:39 pm

    Hard times/hard choices…I just wish the politics could be put aside.

    I understand the triage of our services that the city must do during hard economic times but am also SO very weary of the obvious, overly dramatic political posturing.

    Damn, these people are hateful.

  73. Anonymous
    September 27, 2010 at 6:19 pm

    Decline to State says:
    September 27, 2010 at 5:39 pm

    “Hard times/hard choices…I just wish the politics could be put aside.

    I understand the triage of our services that the city must do during hard economic times but am also SO very weary of the obvious, overly dramatic political posturing.

    Damn, these people are hateful.”

    I agree… currently the City does not have a Finance Director, City Attorney, the Director of Community Development was driven away, the Fire Chief will be leaving soon as will the City Engineer and City Manager. Can others see what is happening with all of this hateful posturing?

  74. A-Nony-Mouse
    September 27, 2010 at 6:24 pm

    Virginia cries about having “civil” meetings. Yet her comments and Mike Jones rant were as insulting a piece of work as I have ever seen at council. I cannot imagine this woman having the firepower necessary to be a good educated Supervisor. Maybe the Board of Supes needs its own version of the three stooges? God knows we’ve put up with them long enough.

  75. Ragtime
    September 27, 2010 at 6:43 pm

    I guess I didn’t make my meaning clear in my previous post.

    It was almost as if a higher power guided my hand to turn on the TV set to Channel 10 at the very moment Linda Atkins began her comments to staff.

    Was it a coincidence? Or was it something else? Something, perhaps, supernatural?

  76. Anonymous
    September 27, 2010 at 6:46 pm

    “Ragtime says:
    September 27, 2010 at 6:43 pm
    It was almost as if a higher power guided my hand to turn on the TV set to Channel 10 at the very moment Linda Atkins began her comments to staff.

    Was it a coincidence? Or was it something else? Something, perhaps, supernatural?”

    Perhaps it was something less than supernatural… maybe it’s business as usual.

  77. Living In Eureka
    September 27, 2010 at 7:09 pm

    6:19……”hateful posturing”??????? To whom do you think is responsible for this? The only one I heard being disrespectful was Jones. He almost got up & sat in Tyson’s lap & gave him a big wet one!

    It is time for transparency at City Hall. There has been a lot of games going on & I think some of them know the jig is up. Then there are some who left becausethey were tired of the Almighty Tyson Regime!

    BUT…..If they are leaving because they’re being asked to be accountable……..SEE YA!!!!!!

  78. Observer
    September 27, 2010 at 11:12 pm

    Thank the voters of Eureka for having enough sense to elect leaders that have the guts to stand up for obvious injustice, process manipulation, delaying tactics, and down right corruption in city hall. It is obviously not for their benefit because they are attacked, called names, shoved, berated, and defamed, it is for the future of our community they stand their ground. Register and turn out hail or high water. Who do you trust?

  79. Anonymous
    September 28, 2010 at 7:30 am

    “currently the City does not have a Finance Director, City Attorney, the Director of Community Development was driven away, the Fire Chief will be leaving soon as will the City Engineer and City Manager”, buy it’s Okay! We still have an accredited zoo!

  80. Observer
    September 28, 2010 at 8:04 am

    One time I accidentally whacked this grapevine right off at the stock, I thought “Damn, I killed it”. It turned out it was the only vine that survived a particularly savage year. Today, it has lush healthy branches and produces the best fruit in the vineyard.

  81. September 28, 2010 at 10:57 am

    I got my question answered about the demeanor behind closed doors.

    First, Councilwoman Atkins was NOT disrespectful behind closed doors.

    Secondly, what many respondents have posted on this thread apparently is true.

    The plan is to have “The Three Stooges” and “The Brady Bunch” offer City Manager Dave Tyson a huge raise (who apparently has been managing this City for twenty years; and who tells “The Three Stooges” how to vote, etc., not vice versa). And to fire the Police Chief. And to dismantle the Fire Department and transfer responsibility to Humboldt District #2(?). And to break the Union.

    As a general analysis, WE THE PEOPLE have two arch-nemeses::—

    1. Sociopathic Conservative Corporatist Politicos (SCCPs) == by-and-large rich Republican (but not totally Republican)criminals; and

    2. Theocrats, whether hip-hop archbishops, priestly-penised pederasts, complicit Ratzinger-like cardinals and popes, or grossly hypocritical, homophobic but gay Protestant pastors.

    Their opprobrious centuries-long DOMINATION must be successfully confronted and counteracted, or rendered ineffective and impotent.

    Signed,

    Pink Floyd, “The Wall” Street
    Dok-tors Sigmund and Anna Freud

    PS::— Right now (11:00 AM), actually all morning since 9:00 AM, Thom Hartmann has been respectfully but vigorously castigating the theocrats (based upon the recent PEW poll), who are on the dole, and whom WE THE PEOPLE support(?!) because of their unconscionable tax-exempt status!!

  82. Julie Timmons
    September 28, 2010 at 12:06 pm

    Pam Service has done wonders at the museum with tenuous funding and limited resources. As usual, the posters who opine about the actions of the HCDCC apparently never attend the meetings. Pam did not “shut down the endorsement”. Nobody needed to. The vote to endorse Glass over Brady was overwhelming.

  83. Anonymous
    September 28, 2010 at 12:35 pm

    “The vote to endorse Glass over Brady was overwhelming.”

    As you should expect. There is light. There is dark.

    Brady has aligned herself with the dark side.

  84. anonymous
    September 28, 2010 at 1:03 pm

    Observer, so the vine whacked off is Tyson?

  85. Hans
    September 28, 2010 at 3:05 pm

    Tyson? Whacked off? I knew it.

  86. Living In Eureka
    September 28, 2010 at 3:20 pm

    “The Brady Bunch”
    An outdated brainless silly sitcom – No, I don’t think so! I’ve already had to deal with that at city hall. I don’t need a rerun!

  87. Chucks ex
    September 28, 2010 at 3:38 pm

    Look at all the money Arkley is funneling into the “the Brady Bunch”! why every rightwing tea bagger in town has got a 4by4 sign or two. Talk about making trying to make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear.

  88. High Finance
    September 28, 2010 at 3:45 pm

    So Chuck, how much money did Arkley give Brady?

  89. Anonymous
    September 28, 2010 at 5:46 pm

    “Observer says:
    September 27, 2010 at 11:12 pm

    Thank the voters of Eureka for having enough sense to elect leaders that have the guts to stand up for obvious injustice, process manipulation, delaying tactics, and down right corruption in city hall.”

    The agenda comes out the Friday before the council meeting… any council person who had a question about an item on the agenda could call the City Manager day or night and have their questions answered. Linda’s script was meant to knock staff down a peg or two.

    It’s not the first time I have seen Linda or Larry bully staff.

  90. anonymous
    September 28, 2010 at 5:52 pm

    guess they learned it from the control freak and master bully himself, Tyson.

  91. Plain Jane
    September 28, 2010 at 6:00 pm

    How do you know Atkins didn’t try to get answers and couldn’t and that’s why she brought it up at the public meeting, 5:46? That could explain the instantaneous and hysterical reaction from the stooges and Tyson.

  92. High Finance
    September 28, 2010 at 6:57 pm

    Because she would have said that she tried Plain Jane. Quit being such a sycophant.

    So Chuck, how much did Arkley give Brady’s campaign?

  93. Plain Jane
    September 28, 2010 at 6:58 pm

    That is an unfounded assumption, HiFi, without any supporting evidence.

  94. Anonymous
    September 28, 2010 at 7:04 pm

    Finally watched this – the relevant segment. I thought Atkins was clearly angry and conveyed that (though in a controlled manner) – the scripting was not offensive to me and I thought she explained that in a way that made sense. I did feel there was a reprimand directed to “staff” and also that it was not a surprise to “staff” as Tyson’s response also seemed fairly pre-planned. Obviously a lot of tension in the room. I’m rarely in favor of that sort of criticism in a public forum and felt there was a lot more to the story than we were privy to. Larry Glass spoke well despite playing the granddaughter card. Mike Jones – painful.

  95. 704
    September 28, 2010 at 7:09 pm

    So,
    Has Tyson found a finance director who can be trusted yet? This city is teetering on the brink of financial ruin, with no leadership in that department. I find that just unbelievable.

    I certainly hope that the council will be involved in this hire, and that that is why this is taking so long. There is nobody around here remotely qualified to take charge and help us out of the fiscal morass that Tyson has helped create.

    If he brings in a local it will just be another lackey of the good ole boys club, I just hope and pray Linda and Larry are holding out for someone reasonably qualified, someone from out of the area, without the baggage, ala Garr!

  96. Anonymous
    September 28, 2010 at 7:19 pm

    “704 says:
    September 28, 2010 at 7:09 pm

    So,
    Has Tyson found a finance director who can be trusted yet?

    …I just hope and pray Linda and Larry are holding out for someone reasonably qualified, someone from out of the area, without the baggage, ala Garr!”

    The last finance director was from out of the area, she couldn’t hang with floggings from the council.

    She couldn’t wait to get out of the area.

  97. anonymous
    September 28, 2010 at 7:26 pm

    Is it really that the finance and human resource directors can’t be trusted or is it that Tyson asked them to do stuff they were legally or ethically uncomfortable with? Hmmmmmmmm

  98. Anonymous
    September 28, 2010 at 10:03 pm

    ” anonymous says:
    September 28, 2010 at 7:26 pm

    Is it really that the finance and human resource directors can’t be trusted”

    Who said they couldn’t be trusted? I thought they both left the area for “personal” reasons…are you just making stuff up?

  99. insider
    September 29, 2010 at 8:01 am

    Tyson tried to get Teresa(personnel director)who was very professional, to do things that she knew were unethical or even illegal, same with Valerie in(finance). The worst was Sheryl(City attorney) he forced her to skew legal advice to suit his agenda. All 3 left rather than be forced to do what Tyson wanted.

  100. High Finance
    September 29, 2010 at 8:44 am

    That is the problem with blogs. People like you all can make all kinds of accusations by innuendo & not have to back anything up with any kind of proof.

    So “insider” what things did Tyson try to make her do?

  101. insider
    September 29, 2010 at 9:52 am

    Tersea – Hansen, Owsley and Wilson cases
    Valerie- Redevelopment and general fund accounting
    Sheryl- Hansen, Owsley and Wilson cases and security national cases.

  102. Reinventing The Wheel
    September 29, 2010 at 12:50 pm

    “Anyone challenging the prevailing orthodoxy finds himself silenced with surprising effectiveness”. (George Orwell’s proposed preface to Animal Farm, 1945).

    Top staff face the common cultural choice: Do you want to be a whistle blower, or do you want that letter of recommendation for a seamless transfer elsewhere?

    Hence, the glacial pace of change, and the army of willing replacements.

    High levels of fear and insecurity in the workplace breeds corruption and silence.

  103. Anonymous
    September 29, 2010 at 2:03 pm

    I have never seen, at least in the US, so much fear of retribution by business owners as I have seen in Eureka. Stories of lost business and jacked up rents for those who don’t go along with the ruling class (and we know who that is).

  104. High Finance
    September 29, 2010 at 4:23 pm

    That is just full of B/S 2.03pm. I know ten times, twenty times more business owners than you do & nobody lives in fear of RA or any other single person you may be referring to.

    However, many do remain silent at the fear of offending left-wing customers otherwise they would gladly join the rest of us in fighting the deterioration of our town.

  105. Anonymous
    September 29, 2010 at 5:03 pm

    Insider you must not be very well informed… Valerie could not have been too intimidated by the City Manager, she resigned her position went back to Oregon and came back to work for the City.

    The City Attorney works for the City Council not the manager,”The City Attorney shall be appointed by and serve at the pleasure of the Council”

    And the “Hansen, Owsley and Wilson cases” all started with the previous Human Resources Director Susan Christie… I read it in the newspaper.

  106. anonymous
    September 29, 2010 at 5:32 pm

    Details details…the City Attorney works much more closely with the City Manager than the council, either of which is unpalatable to some. Yes, Valerie quit and came back, but the bottom line is that she quit again, after a relatively short period of time. Maybe what they coaxed her back with wasn’t enough to overcome any distaste she had for her boss or the job. And those cases may have all started with the previous HR person, but they all apilled over onto the next director’s plate, didn’t they?

  107. anonymous
    September 29, 2010 at 5:33 pm

    correction: spilled over

  108. Anonymous
    September 29, 2010 at 5:40 pm

    Details, details…, my point was these department head positions are not very attractive to outsiders for various reasons.

  109. anonymous
    September 29, 2010 at 6:21 pm

    And my point is that they all have the same boss in common.

  110. anonymous
    September 29, 2010 at 7:26 pm

    I have been connected to Eureka’s business community for many years and have had, over the years, many frank conversations regarding one of our very, very wealthy businessmen and his tactics used on people who cross him in some way. None of their comments to me would hold up in court, but I can tell you these were honest people and I had no reason to doubt them. It is all hearsay in the legal sense, so there you are.

  111. Old Timer
    September 29, 2010 at 8:43 pm

    Some bunch wants me to join ‘the Brady Bunch.’ Who are these bunches? I’ve been here for 30 years, been out of my cave a bit buying bunches of banannas, and seen a bunch of yard signs… but haven’t the foggiest idea or clue who Marian Brady and her bunch are, nor have I ever seen her. Anywhere. Do she and her bunch posse really exist?

    I obviously have been living under a rock for too long and missing bunches of something here.

  112. anonymous
    September 29, 2010 at 10:36 pm

    Well Old Timer, you haven’t missed much with that bunch. Can’t say as she and her bunch have said anything at all that would warrant a vote for her. She is just another wacky outsider wanting us all to believe she can make a change, but what does she say to back it up. Pretty light in the way of ideas, except one she wants to raise our water rates to about double in five years, and no break in rates for us seniors. Nothin’ there that impresses me. I’d vote for the other guy, if I were you. Bunches of luck to ya in decidin’ who to vote for. To use one of those new words, she is too “snarky” for my taste.

  113. pluto
    September 29, 2010 at 10:58 pm

    Brady=Puppet alert! Puppet alert!

  114. Anonymous
    September 29, 2010 at 11:43 pm

    Agreed, Anon 10:36 and pluto 10:58 – plus those signs are mystifying. They might be nice if you were running for a Jr. High position but are too cartoonish and/or juvenile in tone for City Council, IMO.

  115. Anonymous
    September 30, 2010 at 9:05 am

    What ward is she running for? Her signs or web site don’t say. another matt owen puppet

  116. Tooky
    September 30, 2010 at 9:42 am

    Who is she? Dunno. Marian Brady is a… mystery.

    An enigma wrapped up in a burrito.

  117. anonymous
    September 30, 2010 at 10:21 am

    She is running against Larry Glass. He has a clear record of supporting Police and Fire and holding down water and sewer increases. Her only claim to fame is an appointment to the water rates commission. She voted to increase water rates, doubling in five years, and to not support lower rates for Seniors and low income families. When asked about the police budget: if it was a choice between taking $200,000 from either the police department or the zoo, she chose to “NOT” cut the zoo. This woman has her priorities dead wrong.
    SAY NO TO MARION BRADY!!!!

  118. Anonymous
    September 30, 2010 at 10:44 am

    The local Matt Owen led crowd, in desperation for candidates to run against Glass and Kuhnel, dredged up two people with no record of having accomplished much of anything, and not much knowledge of what needs to be done in Eureka. It appears they believe that lots of money will win the election. Can you believe the signs Brady and Newman have? They are on every cyclone fence in town. You can sure tell where much of the money is coming from.

  119. The Monitor
    September 30, 2010 at 11:10 am

    When you have nothing to run on with few positions that will benefit Eureka, wallpaper the town with signs and hope people won’t check out where you stand.

  120. Reinventing The Wheel
    September 30, 2010 at 12:46 pm

    They must think the voters are pretty dim. Bass and Jager endorse each other, yet, the Eureka mayor is running against Bonnie Neely, because a majority of voters “mistakenly elected her too often”, while Jager is running for Eureka mayor on his “experience”.

    Thanks to local building moratoriums and the skyrocketing water/sewer bills, voters are beginning to figure out that growth and development are two different things, despite attempts to combine the terms by the sprawl/mall candidates.

  121. pluto
    September 30, 2010 at 1:22 pm

    Newman is not the ”new man” his signs say he is. Look at the Humboldt Sentinel interviews of the candidates. He is one of the good ole boys that ran this place into the ground. When asked what he would do about the homeless problem he said to let John Shelter handle it. John Shelter NCRC/ENDEAVOR that pretty much ruined Arcata. That is what has always happened with the good ole boys, hand it off to a quasi-welfare outfit that spins out of control and morphs into a giant problem. Newman is not new, he is just the same old backward kind of person that won’t do anything new.

  122. taxed
    September 30, 2010 at 1:30 pm

    Newman is the one who is with the visitors bureau-Chamber of commerce. He sat across the street from the Serenity Inn all those years and let the homeless and druggies run all over the place. Never complained. He is so un-swift that he couldn’t figure out that this might be bad for tourism and the town in general. Thats not the kind of NEWman I want to see in office.

  123. StraightUp
    September 30, 2010 at 2:13 pm

    Wake up. The Visitors Bureau and the Chamber are two entirely different entities and Mike Newman works for neither. He’s a broker with Shaw Insurance and an officer of some kind with the Chamber. I’m not a supporter of his but if you want to blame the Chamber for the state of the Serenity Inn you’re nuts.

  124. Anonymous
    September 30, 2010 at 2:24 pm

    To StraightUp at 2:13 pm

    The folks on this blog don’t worry about the truth getting in the way of a good story.

  125. Pitchfork
    September 30, 2010 at 2:30 pm

    when did the chamber ever complain about it?

  126. StraightUp
    September 30, 2010 at 2:46 pm

    When did you?

  127. Time to get real
    September 30, 2010 at 4:07 pm

    The chamber runs a half baked visitor center out of their building. That has nothing to do with the Humboldt County Visitors and convention Bureau. The bureau runs a very tight ship. Their mission is to attract visitors to Humboldt. http://www.redwoods.info The chamber has a local visitor center which is on the wrong side of south Broadway. Wrong because most of the tourist traffic is coming from the south and who would want to cut across that street and then have to get back on 101 north. I have sent people there and they came back and said they could get very little helpful information from the person at the counter. They were just given brochures and sent on their way. The chamber is a lobbying organization and has little interest in helping tourists.

  128. humboldturtle
    September 30, 2010 at 4:13 pm

    The chamber/city visitors center is on the wrong side of the road. They should be on the same side as Serenity Inn.

  129. Bumpy Ride
    September 30, 2010 at 4:45 pm

    This thread has been all over the place, ridden hard and put away wet:

    Eureka City Council, hurt feelings, shenanigans and conspiracies, the Brady Bunch, Mr. Newman and Mr. Owen, even the Visitor’s Bureau and Chamber of Commerce.

    125 postings and counting? Is it time to put this thread to bed yet?

  130. taxed
    September 30, 2010 at 6:36 pm

    No.

  131. Observer
    September 30, 2010 at 8:04 pm

    These are valid and current concerns of the people on this blog, good luck slamming the door on Eureka’s dirty little secrets, that door is getting pried open wider and wider by smart, fearless leaders. THANK YOU!

  132. The waste manager
    September 30, 2010 at 8:52 pm

    This town is full of dirty little secrets, that is for sure. The polarization here is more than I have seen in many years and it is being fed by those that have done the deeds and kept the secrets. The difference today is that many of us know now what they have been doing over the years and are damned mad. We are tired of seeing the town we love being being used by powerful people who have been acting with immunity, until recently. The sleaze factor needs a cleanup and there now seems to be a will among many of us to call a spade a spade. And the same will happen to their apologists. Money and political power can still be trumped by the truth.
    You read about a lot of it here on Heraldo and there are more dirty little secrets that that need to be talked about in due time. Stay tuned.

  133. taxed
    September 30, 2010 at 11:10 pm

    Funny how the Times Standard shuts down blogs when some of us try to open the doors on those dirty little secrets that need to be talked about.

  134. Anonymous
    September 30, 2010 at 11:32 pm

    Hey “Time to get real” how about living up to your name?

    If you want to artificially pit the Chamber against the Tourism Bureau, how about pointing out the Tourism Bureau closed its obscure visitor center on the east side of Old Town years ago? I don’t believe your claim that the front desk person at the chamber’s visitor center didn’t provide help to a tourist. You have some sort of grudge against the chamber and so you make up the most trivial of lies.

    As for the side-of-the-road issue, that’s up for grabs. You assume everyone comes from 101 south. Californians also come from 299, and Oregonians come from 101 north, and all of those people are better served better by the center’s current location.

    One could argue that the visitor center would be better placed at the north entrance to Eureka, instead of tourists being greeted by the awful Target big box.

  135. Reinventing The Wheel
    October 1, 2010 at 11:32 am

    We have a Tourism Bureau, we don’t need a Visitor’s Center too, and we certainly can’t afford it.

    Oh, but this is the richest club in town. Their political control will ensure funding long after our Old Town Historical Museum and Zoo have closed, all they need is a monkey and an organ grinder and they can be the only attraction left.

  136. High Finance
    October 1, 2010 at 2:21 pm

    Time to Get Real, 4.07pm on the 30th. Isn’t it time for you to tell the truth? I have had second hand experience with the Visitors Bureau and a lot of experience with the Chamber of Commerce.

    I have had no problems with the Visitors Bureau, my only complaint there is that although Eureka pays the lion’s share of their revenue, they send visitors around the county more than Eureka. I fault the city council for sending three times more money to the Visitors Bureau than they send to the Eureka Chamber of Commerce.

    But you lie when you say the Chamber is mostly a lobby for businesses. ALL the city money they receive & also a lot of the members’s dues are spent on tourism outreach & serving tourists – AND THEY DO AN EXCELLENT JOB AT THAT. And yes, part of their member’s dues are spent on non-partisan lobbying in the interest of local businesses.

  137. Pete
    October 1, 2010 at 7:44 pm

    Visitors Bureau, Visitors Center, Chamber of Commerce. Take a good look at Eureka. Someone is asleep at the wheel. A piss poor job I’d say.

  138. OffTheRez
    October 1, 2010 at 9:22 pm

    “non-partisan lobbying in the interest of local businesses”
    Sure HiFi that why the Chambers fielding they’re own candidates in the City Council race.

  139. Anonymous
    October 1, 2010 at 9:26 pm

    Yes, in the interest of local business the Eureka chamber is lobbying against Prop. 19.

  140. The waste manager
    October 1, 2010 at 9:39 pm

    Sorry HiFi, they do a piss poor job with tourists, I hear from travelers all the time. They are ill trained and rather unfriendly at times. They are not well versed on what their tourist oriented members have to offer. It has been my experience that they are good at mixers but not as greeters.

  141. The Monitor
    October 1, 2010 at 9:46 pm

    How does a visitors center that only has one way service (from the north) qualify as a full service center? The city is paying for full service and not getting it, and the chamber gets a free place to boot. Some deal.

  142. the reasonable anonymous
    October 1, 2010 at 10:28 pm

    Look, I’m not a fan of the Chamber of Commerce, but it seems a little weird to fault them for the Visitor’s Center being on one side of the street. Where *should* they be — in the middle of the street? On both sides simultaneously?

  143. armchair watcher
    October 1, 2010 at 10:31 pm

    Look at their website. Piss poor.

  144. taxed
    October 1, 2010 at 10:34 pm

    Are other Chambers of Commerce in other towns so worthless?

  145. Observer
    October 1, 2010 at 10:54 pm

    The Eureka Chamber of Commerce is a businessman’s organization; many members have clear political affiliations, the organization has no qualms about lobbying or supporting candidates that they believe have the interest of local business and business expansion in mind. I did not know this was supported financially by City, I thought it was a membership organization. You learn something new everyday I guess.

  146. Observer
    October 2, 2010 at 9:10 am

    “From our Issues Center to online membership opinion polls to direct legislative advocacy, you will make your voice heard at City Hall, the State Capitol and in Washington D.C.” from the local chamber website, this is something private coalitions do I am still very surprised this is funded by the City, I can see why it may be, it is important to hear the needs of our businessmen but, that is what the public process is for, I question if it should be.

  147. StraightUp
    October 2, 2010 at 9:38 am

    Every year the City Council debates funding for the Visitor’s Center and the Chamber and every year each gets a pittance. You could call the City or your council person and find out how much. I belong and support the Chamber for its promotional and educational activities and considering their miniscule staff Jay & company do a good job. Individual members are permitted to opt out of the portion of the dues that goes for lobbying. But don’t let the truth inhibit your lively discussion.

  148. you don't know
    October 2, 2010 at 11:38 am

    What good does the Chamber do. Name these things. Promotion of what? What educational things?

  149. Anonymous
    October 2, 2010 at 5:54 pm

    Saying Jay does a great job is strange. He is one of the those that sits in his office at the visitors center and watches the Serenity Inn and the tweakers raise Hell all the time. You blame this on minimal staff? What about calling the police. This is hard to believe that for all these years he has been sitting there in the Visitors Center across the street from the Serenity Inn and let this problem continue. This is a typical good ole boy alright. And to think the city of Eureka pays for this disservice.

  150. High Finance
    October 2, 2010 at 6:21 pm

    So “offtherez” 9.22pm yesterday, you infer the chamber is not nonpartisan, who are their candidates & what parties do they belong to?

    BTW, I grant you that they promote conservative candidates more than liberal ones. The reason they do is that the liberal candidates are woefully anti-business or at least woefully business ignorant. (unless you grow pot or make candles).

    Waste Manager, 9.39pm yesterday, that simply is not the experience of my tourist clients.

    Observer, the little bit of funding the Chamber receives from the city is to promote tourism and is paid from the city’s Bed Tax which is funded by tourists.

    You expose your partisanship in your continued criticism of the Chamber’s funding by the city yet remain silent about the fact that the Convention & Tourism Bureau receives three times as much from the city even though they promote other areas of the county more than the city. Yet the Chamber promotes only Eureka businesses.

    Why is the city spending the tax dollars, that belong to Eureka residents, to help promote businesses from Willow Creek to Garberville???????????????

    AND ONCE AGAIN, THE LOBBYING EFFORTS BY THE CHAMBER ARE PAID 100% BY MEMBERSHIP DUES. Your continued neglect to mention this fact paints you as a liar.

  151. OffTheRez
    October 2, 2010 at 9:28 pm

    The Chamber is very partisan
    Frank Jager Republican.
    Marion Brady Says she a Dem but really a Republican.
    Mike Newman Decline to state.
    Virgina Says she a Dem but really a Republican.
    all supported by the Chamber, Newman is there President

  152. Anonymous
    October 2, 2010 at 10:13 pm

    High Finance- your right, no one is promoting Eureka. This town is treated like used toilet.

  153. Anonymous
    October 2, 2010 at 10:19 pm

    toilet (paper).

  154. A-Nony-Mouse
    October 2, 2010 at 10:26 pm

    The Chamber gets FREE RENT on its site from the city. That property is conservatively valued at over $1,000,000. If that isn’t big support from the city, then what is? Check it out, HiFi. It’s true.

  155. pete
    October 2, 2010 at 10:54 pm

    Eureka Redevelopment gave the loan for The Serenity Inn and they support the Chamber of Commerce. What a combo! Way to go CITY OF EUREKA.

  156. The Monitor
    October 2, 2010 at 11:49 pm

    The reason that the city kicks in a substantial amount to the HCCVB Is precisely because of their mission statement. Their efforts are to create/enhance interest outside the the county to attract people here. Eureka gets the lions share of the $300,000,000 spent in Humboldt County every year by tourists. WE (Eureka)gets gas taxes, sales tax, and TOT tax and they keep our restaurants doing, and our stores get needed sales as well. The county also puts in money to fund the HCCVB, realizing the benefits of tourism. The HCCVB pays rent where they are located (what a concept). The staff are all professionals and run a tight ship. Members pay into the organization as well. Their web site gets well over a million hits a year, one of the highest rated tourists sites in California. What else could you ask for?
    That $300 mil. aught to make even the mighty money man, HIFI, be a touch impressed. There is no need to pick on an organization that is doing a good job.

  157. Anonymous
    October 3, 2010 at 2:43 am

    “The Chamber gets FREE RENT on its site from the city. ”

    Actually I heard it was a dollar a year. Seems a little less than market rate to me, but I am sure the spin master HiFi will find a way to explain this.

  158. Walt
    October 3, 2010 at 5:08 am

    I knew an old guy from Ferndale whose dad built the farmhouse where he was born in 1917. It had a septic tank that never seemed to need pumping. He said it was because he put a dead chicken in it every month. So does Hum Co get $300 mil BECAUSE of HCCVB, in spite of it, or doesn’t it matter? And just how expensive is that chicken?

  159. anonymous
    October 3, 2010 at 10:44 am

    The website talks of Ferndale and the Redwoods but not much about Eureka. Ferndale is beautiful with it’s architecture but it is never mentioned that Eureka has more than 1,600 Historic buildings. You would never know from any advertising that we have something that many tourists would love to see, Historic architecture.

  160. High Finance
    October 5, 2010 at 9:21 am

    Yes the Chamber gets to rent the building at $1 a year. It dates back decades & has something to do with a requirement that the owner put on it when he donated it to the city. I don’t know the details.

    And anyone who thinks that property is worth $1 million dollars is woefully uninformed about local real estate.

  161. Reinventing The Wheel
    October 5, 2010 at 1:19 pm

    Whether the Chamber is worth $500,000 today, or $1 million, is a pathetic distraction from the issue. Citizens cannot ignore the degree and appropriateness of public subsidies while we’re cutting essential services.

    Like the Chamber of Commerce, all of Baykeeper’s member-donations are also used in the pursuit of their advocacy activities….

    Let’s have Baykeeper operate a city-funded bay tour. They can split the Chamber’s annual $150,000, with plenty left over for other docent tours…On-the-ground activities that actually engage tourists and residents.

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