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Bass district flip-flop redux

An old post focused on the legal home base of supervisor candidate Virginia Bass resurfaced in recent days.

As noted then, Bass was merrily pushing buttons in the voting booths of District 1 — without complaint — just like the neighbors in her ‘hood.

But in early 2009, Bass somehow convinced the elections office that she lives in District 4, while surrounding houses remain in District 1.  Bass is now running for 4th District Supervisor.

Detailed maps of Humboldt’s district boundaries are not available online.

Perhaps a certain local political junkie *cough* John Osborn *cough* will hunt down the map that justifies her change in voter registration.

Bass switched Districts without changing houses, but her neighbors still vote in District 1. What is the justification and why did Bass stall complaints until she decided to run for 4th district office?

As it stands, Bass may be the only Eureka resident in recent years that has voted in multiple district elections without the headache of moving houses. It’s like musical chairs — but more corrupt.

  1. Not Surprised
    October 3, 2010 at 1:35 am

    She’s the Mayor of Eureka! She can do what she wants. Since when is abusing, shoot, I mean, USING the power of one office to secure the position of a higher office, “corrupt”?!

    I am shocked and appalled that you would suggest that Virginia Bass has used her position as Eureka Mayor, and her influence with the local elections office to to manipulate her home’s district connection.

    Yes, yes. Shocked and appalled.

  2. Anonymous
    October 3, 2010 at 2:36 am

    Be nice now. Her back fence is in District 4 and as Virgina is always on the fence, we know the County elections division did the right thing.

  3. joeschmo
    October 3, 2010 at 3:56 am

    If part of her property is in district four then so be it. Isn’t Neely having a little fete over in District 3 to raise money?

  4. Plain Jane
    October 3, 2010 at 5:15 am

    Yeah, Joe. Running for supervisor of a district you don’t actually live in is comparable to having a fund raiser in a different district – in a fantasy galaxy far far away.

  5. Decline to State
    October 3, 2010 at 7:18 am

    Surely many voters properties straddle districts. Are these others given the choice of which district they would like to vote/run in? Isn’t there something more specific in the law about how your residence is determined other than just where your property lies?

  6. Anonymous
    October 3, 2010 at 7:29 am

    Your property line or where you “live”. Bass’ house, driveway and even mail box are all completely in the 1st district. How about acting within the intent of the law?

  7. humboldturtle
    October 3, 2010 at 7:55 am

    It’s too bad, isn’t it? Our kids look to people like the Mayor as examples. No wonder we’re so f-d up.

  8. Anonymous
    October 3, 2010 at 8:04 am

    What’s the address? Let’s get google earth out and inspect this property. If she has been voting in the wrong district all this time the public should know about this! What I heard is Bass brow-beat the Elections Division into making the change. Maybe the people at Elections could shed some light on this.

    Or not. I guess that’s what crooks count on – nothing.

  9. Plain Jane
    October 3, 2010 at 8:20 am

    On the county district maps Bass’s house is in the 3rd district. The back of her property borders the 4th. Just another example of Humboldt County good ole boy politicking, nothing of interest, move along folks.

  10. Anonymous
    October 3, 2010 at 8:24 am

    Remember, the neighbors on one side of Bonnie’s house live in a different district too. How’d that come down? I don’t like the way any of this shit looks. Dirty dealings make me cringe no matter who’ dealing it.

  11. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    October 3, 2010 at 8:28 am

    Could there be over-lappings of districting lines that put’s a very few people in society in multiple districts, kinda like some weird easements.

    Kinda weird though for just ONE home. It would be like standing on the 4 corners of 4 states simultaneously.

    It is not as if the county and city are divided by a straight line (the shortest distance between two points less the folding of the time/space continuum).

    Jeffrey Lytle
    McKinleyville – 5th District

  12. Anonymous
    October 3, 2010 at 8:28 am

    Her house is in only one jurisdiction. If the jurisdiction lines haven’t changed and the house hasn’t moved, her correct jurisdiction hasn’t changed.

    It sounds like a call to the Fair Political Practices Committee would be in order, except they are apparently owned. So someone in the district could file a lawsuit.

  13. Anonymous
    October 3, 2010 at 8:31 am

    Bonnie’s house, driveway and mail box are all in the 4th district and within the intent of the law.

  14. Anonymous
    October 3, 2010 at 8:36 am

    8:31,

    If that’s true, she’s in the 4th district. Let’s see the maps, please.

  15. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    October 3, 2010 at 8:36 am

    Here’s one,

    a poperty on title is normally established by metes and bounds (at minimum) or a survey of a parcel based on the Humboldt Meridian. Now, as experience has it, enough title companies have farsed up their responsibilities and made lines show in the wrong spots in many townships. Now, how many parcels ALSO HAVE fences built on one side of a false line or another? SO, maybe through prescriptive right, a fence may be ok where it is located; and, maybe this could be Virginia’s deal where it was recognized that a fence allowed her to use land in two districts? Most people can never have an easy time understanding Eureka’s “all-over-the-map” districting lines. Political insiders however, know these little dark community secrets.

    JL

  16. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    October 3, 2010 at 8:42 am

    Kinda off topic,

    but the mapping just reminded me again for the need to have 7 county supervisors for better representation in the 2nd and 5th Districts of Humboldt County. So much land coverage. In the 5th, the coastal area is vastly different than the inland areas in all things, political too.

    JL

  17. Anonymous
    October 3, 2010 at 8:52 am

    8:36, if you’re making an allegation about Bonnie, the onus is on you to prove your claim, not for other people to refute it. The same goes for Heraldo’s claim about Bass. No evidence has been provided, only claims.

  18. Fence
    October 3, 2010 at 8:59 am

    you can find the written description of the supervisoral districts in Humboldt County ordinances on line if you spend some time they are confusing and you probably need a surveyor to figure out exactly where the line is in the Bass parcel as in most places it follows centerlines of roads but not where the Bass parcel is.

  19. Plain Jane
    October 3, 2010 at 8:59 am

    Here is the Eureka Ward map which shows ALL of “U” Street in the 4th ward.

    http://gis.ci.eureka.ca.gov/pdfs/WARD_MAP.pdf

    There is no detailed map of county districts available online.

  20. High Finance
    October 3, 2010 at 9:06 am

    No smear too low for the liberals.

  21. Anon
    October 3, 2010 at 9:09 am

    It is my understanding that this entire issue was exhaustivly evaluated and formally decided by Carolyn Crnich as the long time County Recorder and Registra of Voters. Carolyn is universally respected by all sides. Anyone who knows her knows her to be 100% beyond reproach. I dare you to try to go after Crnich and she is the one who made this determination. Not only that but Bonnie Neely’s sister is Carolyn’s second in command and was the one in charge of the analysis.

    What I would like to know is how much Bonnie is paying for this advertising propaganda or who is donating it to her campaign?

  22. Anonymous
    October 3, 2010 at 9:11 am

    What is the smear exactly?

  23. Anon
    October 3, 2010 at 9:15 am

    Day after day we see Neely advertising on this site. Without doubt these are ads in support of Bonnie’s campaign. Equally, these ad’s have some value and chould be reported as a contribution. Bonnie is making a clear violation of FPPC rules by failing to report this contribution. Why hasn’t the press asked the campaign? How does one go about filing a FPPC complaint about failures to disclose?

  24. Anonymous
    October 3, 2010 at 9:30 am

    8:36 here. No smears intended. It would be helpful to see the district maps and confirm both candidates residencies in the district. Why would anyone disagree?

  25. Not A Native
    October 3, 2010 at 9:50 am

    This is really too silly to get worked up about. Bass found a minor legal inconsistency and used it to get her objective. Yeah, it’d be interesting to know who made the decision(it was likely Crnich, a classic “good ole’ gal”). But I figure anyone in Bass’s situation would be given the option to choose their voting district, simply to confer every possible sacred “propery owner” right.

    But do “politics” affect the the elections office? Most likely. Neely’s sister, Kelly Sanders, who’s very Republican, had no elections experience was hired as an entry administrative assistant(secretary) but quickly promoted to supervise the elections office after the very Democratic(and ambitious) Lindsey McWilliams got crossways with Crnich and left.

  26. Plain Jane
    October 3, 2010 at 9:51 am

    What ads, Anon 9:15? If you are referring to the subject matter of the threads, did you make the same comment at the Cracked Mirror which been bashing Bonnie and Gallegos virtually exclusively for years now, not to mention WatchPaul?

  27. insider
    October 3, 2010 at 9:55 am

    This has nothing to do with Bonnie advertising. This is about Virginia getting away with claiming she’s in district 4 when she really lives in district 1. she’s repeatedly voted in district 1. she didn’t want to run against Jimmy. This all about setting her up to run for the assembly. Her neighbor Rex plans to run against Jimmy….good luck

  28. Fence
    October 3, 2010 at 9:56 am

    http://co.humboldt.ca.us/countycode/t2-d1.pdf

    Check it out this is the written description of the supervisoral districts

  29. Plain Jane
    October 3, 2010 at 10:29 am

    Anon is so funny! If the Humboldt Herald posts have to be counted as political donations, the entire budgets of the Frightwing echo chamber starting with Fox and extending to rant radio and blogs would be considered campaign contributions to the GOP.

  30. Oh Yes Shocking
    October 3, 2010 at 10:30 am

    Ah, podunk politics. A couple of weeks ago Mr. Virginia Bass drove into our neighborhood and hoisted a lawn sign on an empty, foreclosed-on property. It is true that the woman who lost that property had a Bass sign, but she took it with her when she moved, and trust me: You would have to be blind or brain-damaged not to see that this is a vacant property (no curtains, no car, bare and empty rooms clearly visible from the street, realty sign prominently displayed.

    Neighbors did Bass a favor and tossed the sign into the backyard, then notified the campaign that they were violating the law. Mr. Bass hasn’t had the sack to retrieve the sign since.

  31. Ne'er-do-well
    October 3, 2010 at 10:38 am

    GFY hifi. And once again, Hench, your loquacious bable does nothing to futher the discourse on this forum. The idiotic notion that somebody residing where 4 states converge is residing in all four is the dumbest thing you have come up with today. Not that the day is over yet. If you lived where 4 states converged you would still pay property taxes and “reside” in only one state. Got it? Like PJ says, this a simple case of Crinch (whose credentials could never be challenged? WTF?) or somebody else bowing to the wishes of the Eureka entitled elite, aka the “good old boys & gals.

  32. Fence
    October 3, 2010 at 10:40 am

    The key distance measurement in the county code would be “thence south along the centerline of W street (if extended) 700 feet more or less, to the southeast corner of the northwest quarter of the southeast quarter of section 26, T5N, R1W thence west to the centerline of S Street. Net effect is if her house is north of the centerline of S street she is in the 4th district if the house is south of the cenerline of S Street she is in the 1st district. Hope she is in the First!!!

  33. cheesedick
    October 3, 2010 at 10:50 am

    Gotta love the Shakespearean survey language.

  34. Fence
    October 3, 2010 at 10:54 am

    I actually think that it is the north of Carson Street if extended 1st, south of carson if extended 4th. But I’m not a surveyor. Good luck figuring this one out.

  35. October 3, 2010 at 11:19 am

    I am patiently waiting for the good dirt to start flying. Please tell me this is not the only kind of crap we will be reading.

  36. Anonymous
    October 3, 2010 at 11:33 am

    The only way a person could simultaneously be in two districts is if their bedroom is on the dividing line.

    Isn’t your domicile the location at which you regularly sleep?

    The cite from Fence indicates that the question is whether the Bass’ bedroom is 700 feet South of the centerline of Buhne. The test location is extremely specific: the blah de blah of Section 26 blah de blah. North of that, you’re in one district, south of that, you’re in the other.

    [from the centerline of Buhne] “700 feet, more or less, to the southeast corner of the northwest quarter of the southeast quarter of Section 26, T. 5 N., R. 1 W., H. B. & M.;”

    Come on people, it’s not a matter of opinion.

  37. Anonymous
    October 3, 2010 at 11:38 am

    700 feet, more or less

    Maybe Bass is using the metric system. And you people said she wasn’t progressive.

  38. anonymous
    October 3, 2010 at 12:41 pm

    Hard to believe anyone would have measured it when they approved her district change. File a complaint, let’s see where it takes us, or her.

  39. Ponder z
    October 3, 2010 at 12:45 pm

    this is something The Brother, Rom, and Rob B. would pull off in Chitcago.

  40. Ponder z
    October 3, 2010 at 12:49 pm

    So all you libs hope she is in the 1st because bonnie is a looser and cant win by vote.

  41. Anonymous
    October 3, 2010 at 1:10 pm

    It would be a bummer for the repubs if their candidate was not qualified to run.

  42. Plain Jane
    October 3, 2010 at 1:10 pm

    And all you cons don’t care if she’s a liar and a cheat because that’s the only way you can win.

  43. High Finance
    October 3, 2010 at 1:30 pm

    Ne’er Do Well, classless as always.

    For one thing, it would have been easier for Virginia to wait two years & then run for the open seat in district one. Jimmy is not running again.

    For another thing, the decision that Virginia lives in the 4th district was made by Carol Crnich (a Democrat & respected as objective) the department head & the investigation was conducted by Kelly Sanders who (yes she is a good Republican) is BONNIE NEELEY’S SISTER.

    But the left never lets facts & logic stand in the way of a good smear.

  44. Anonymous
    October 3, 2010 at 1:34 pm

    Jimmy Smith will too run again. He needs one more term to retire out. I hope he does run. Jimmy’s good.

  45. Plain Jane
    October 3, 2010 at 1:36 pm

    Then there shouldn’t be a problem with the process they followed being made public.

  46. Anonymous
    October 3, 2010 at 1:48 pm

    can she even be disqualified at this stage?

  47. Plain Jane
    October 3, 2010 at 1:55 pm

    Of course she can, and if she won she could be disqualified after the election.

  48. all the while
    October 3, 2010 at 2:00 pm

    There’s a very impressive (and humongous) road-sign billboard advertising Ms. Bass at the interesection of Myrtle and Harrison. My thought was, ‘Wow, that must have cost a lot of dough. She must be pretty popular and well-supported.’ Don’t know if there’s other such signs about but I do wonder who’s going to this extreme and bankrolling that kind of advertising with deep pockets. And yes, the gigantic billboard is in the proper district.

  49. October 3, 2010 at 2:15 pm

    The 1st and 4th district boundaries in that end of town are like a jagged saw. Virginia’s house in not the only one that is split, and every census is supposed to result in yet another adjustment in an effort to even out the population base of each supervisorial district. This, in turn leaves more voters swapping districts assuming the elections computers and staff catch all the changes.

    If this is Bonnie’s and her supporter’s October surprise, it’s pretty weak.

  50. Anonymous
    October 3, 2010 at 2:22 pm

    What? You mean Heraldo lied and launched a smear campaign? Oh, wait, I guess it’s not a lie if you believe what you’re smearing.

    Care to retract your latest falsehood, Heraldo?

  51. myrtletown gardener
    October 3, 2010 at 2:49 pm

    Mel and I just found the coordinats for Virginia’s house. will this help setle the issue???

    Latitude: 40.7900
    Longitude:-124.1600

  52. Plain Jane
    October 3, 2010 at 3:08 pm

    How many other houses changed districts in 2009?

  53. anonymous
    October 3, 2010 at 3:21 pm

    Virginia couldn’t wait 2 years to run in District 1, she needs the paycheck now, that’s all this is to her.

  54. Plain Jane
    October 3, 2010 at 3:21 pm

    The Humboldt County’s online archives only show one redistricting and that was in 2001, the lines between 1st and 2nd district.

  55. Anonymous
    October 3, 2010 at 3:30 pm

    Not to worry Chris. This isn’t it.

  56. High Finance
    October 3, 2010 at 4:09 pm

    Yes 2.22pm, Heraldo lied (when he said this was corrupt) and launched a smear campaign.

  57. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    October 3, 2010 at 4:09 pm

    Myrtletown gardener @ 2:49pm,

    now that was funny.

    Jeffrey Lytle
    McKinleyville – 5th District

  58. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    October 3, 2010 at 4:15 pm

    All Miss Bass needs to continue to do is not be a political prude.

    Every first year electee has a necessary learning curve to adjust toward in so far as those parts of the issues that the public is hardly adapt too, knowledge wise.

    Miss Neely is the incumbent and is quite knowledgeable herself.

    Anyhow, hopefully no migrant worker stunts will be pulled. Good Luck to both candidates, especially in having to be “thick-skinned” with public criticisms always probable.

    JL

  59. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    October 3, 2010 at 4:18 pm

    Chris Crawford raises a legitimate argument and issue – redistricting fudgings and how it is done. It can’t be the fault of the resident, unless being alive is admitting guilt?

    JL

  60. October 3, 2010 at 4:26 pm

    Heraldo lied (when he said this was corrupt)

    I said it’s more corrupt than musical chairs. I stand by that statement.

  61. Anonymous
    October 3, 2010 at 4:35 pm

    Heraldo, that’s even worse on your part. Through heavy-handed language you are merely saying Bass is more corrupt than a child’s birthday party game? Ohhh, well, I guess you’re safe in court, but on a moral scale, you’re sleazy scum for implying wrongdoing when you are the one who is wrong, again.

  62. Anonymous
    October 3, 2010 at 4:39 pm

    Heraldo’s position can be summarized thusly: “I’m not technically lying.”

    Wonderful standard to live by. Your mother must be so proud.

  63. October 3, 2010 at 4:46 pm

    Perhaps Bass’s district swapping is also technically legal, but just as sleazy and scum-like.

  64. Pitchfork
    October 3, 2010 at 4:51 pm

    Well Heraldos, my friends, looks like you hit another sore spot here, with this residency question. How can the republican noise machine stop people from questioning her legitimacy as a candidate. I know, we’ll accuse los heraldos lying and smearing.
    Nice try!

  65. Mr. Nice
    October 3, 2010 at 5:01 pm

    1st district is too big anyway. Good riddance.

  66. Anonymous
    October 3, 2010 at 5:34 pm

    Maybe it is an honest mistake of the elections office. It happens.

  67. Plain Jane
    October 3, 2010 at 5:39 pm

    Why would there be a redistricting in 2009 when the census was in 2000? Was this a census based redistricting or a political favor? Let’s hope an independent journalist looks into this.

  68. Anonymous
    October 3, 2010 at 5:40 pm

    From the code:

    349. (a) “Residence” for voting purposes means a person’s domicile.
    (b) The domicile of a person is that place in which his or her
    habitation is fixed, wherein the person has the intention of
    remaining, and to which, whenever he or she is absent, the person has
    the intention of returning. At a given time, a person may have only
    one domicile.

  69. Anonymous
    October 3, 2010 at 5:41 pm

    It is obvious from Crawford’s and HiFi’s responses that the right has thought about this a lot already.

  70. Anonymous
    October 3, 2010 at 5:46 pm

    A quick review of the voting rolls will show that Virgina’s house is then only one on her street that is registered in the 4th district, including the ones both sides of her.

  71. Anon
    October 3, 2010 at 6:42 pm

    How long can one hold a job before becoming a “good ‘ole boy”? And does one become a good ‘ole boy automatically or is there an application process?

    It seems to me that no matter what one’s political convictions are, calling an opponent a “good ‘ole boy” is a week argument. It evokes images of backroom deals, knowing winks and suspicion, which, of course, is the point.

    I’m not a fan of Bonnie Neely (gasp) and I have concerns about Bass too. But to reduce either candidate to a one-dimensional label is just too simple. And stupid.

  72. Not A Native
    October 3, 2010 at 6:51 pm

    Neeley is too smart and fair minded to see this as an “issue”.

    Ask Crnich why Bass’s residence district was changed and(if she’s honest) the answer will essentially be “Because she asked to have it changed, and its a reasonable interpretation of the code that she could be in either District”. If the district boundary line crosses any part, however small, of her propety(including easements), I’d agree. So get out the maps. It ain’t got nothing to do with beds.

    At this point, there WILL be some local media buzz about this, tip o’ the hat to H. Maybe a journalistic niche of blogs is being trial balloons for things that are more than gossip or rumor but less than clearly factual.

  73. Walt
    October 3, 2010 at 7:01 pm

    “Let’s hope an independent journalist looks into this.” Alas, blogging (and opinion “journalism”)have killed independent journalism. Now it’s “We report. We decide.”

  74. Anonymous
    October 3, 2010 at 7:02 pm

    “If the district boundary line crosses any part, however small, of her propety(including easements), I’d agree.”

    That’s your interpretation, but maybe not the law.

    Don’t take their word for it, the elections office has been wrong before.

  75. Anonymous
    October 3, 2010 at 7:15 pm

    From the California Election Code… note that the term used is “house or apartment” not “property”.

    2034. A person domiciled in a house or apartment lying in more than one precinct shall be registered as domiciled in the precinct designated by the county elections official on the basis of the street address or other precinct the county elections official considers appropriate unless the person requests, either by letter or in person at the office of the county elections official, that he or she wishes to be domiciled for registration purposes in another precinct in which his or her house or apartment lies. In order to fulfill the requirements of this section, the letter of request shall include the name, signature, and residence address of the requester.

  76. Not A Native
    October 3, 2010 at 7:22 pm

    sorry anon 7:02 My “I’d agree(based on boundaries)” trumps your “maybe not”. So what IS the law? If you don’t know, you’re just blowing smoke.

    And I don’t care if the elections office has made errors in the past. Thats bogus. If you’re so concerned about adherence to “the law” you should adhere to the basics of law yourself. Fairness in criminal law says that prior arrests/convictions aren’t fair evidence to prove guilt in a subsequent incident.

  77. Anonymous
    October 3, 2010 at 7:28 pm

    I’d say the law is clear. Bass’ supporters need to find out if any part of the house in which she lives is in District 4.

    If it is not, Bass’ supporters only remaining argument is that because the elections office mistakenly agreed to change her registration, fairness requires that she be allowed to run in this election. I have no idea how that would fly in a court; if it is true that her neighbors on either side are in District 1 and her house does not touch District 4, I don’t know how a judge could call her a resident of District 4 with a straight face.

  78. Not A Native
    October 3, 2010 at 7:56 pm

    anon 7:28. I Don’t see it that way. That statute gives election officials authority to choose “other precinct the …official considers appropriate”. the criteria for “appropriate” aren’t specifically laid out as a building location.

    So the default is street address, an alternative is “offical considers appropriate” and a second alternative is “in which house/apartment lies”.

    And it doesn’t limit the definition of domicile to house or apartment. It gives a procedure for those who characterize their domicile that way, not other ways. Domicile has nothing to do with sleeping, eating, or washing, it has to do with mere presence.

    You can domicile in an RV or tent that move around or a hole in the ground. Or you can domicile with no structure at all(good luck doing that).

    FWIW, a person can validly register to vote with a residence of “Sequoia Park” as long as they have a verifiable mailing address. If several precincts include parts of Sequoia Park, the voter would have a choice among them.

  79. Anonymous
    October 3, 2010 at 8:00 pm

    Sorry, NaN, the elections official is given the authority to choose a jurisdiction they feel is appropriate WHEN the house or apartment straddles the jurisdictional boundary. The clear implication is that they don’t have that authority UNLESS the house or apartment straddles the boundary. It’s plain English, or at least as plain as legal language gets.

  80. Not A Native
    October 3, 2010 at 8:16 pm

    Anon 8:00 Now you’re just making stuff up.

    Theres no text that the official’s authority is subject to the condition that the house or apartment straddles anything. You just dreamed that up. Read the text and quote from it, not from your imagination.

    If its “implication” you’re talking about, that requires confirmation. There are likely other sections of the code that may be relevant, you’ve got to consider them before you can reasonably conclude what meaning should be implied in this section.

    Just as an aside, remember the question about whether Rodoni could run for supervisor in the general election after she had lost in the primary? Some people claimed it was implied that a “runoff” election had to have only two candidates. They were deemed wrong.

  81. A-Nony-Mouse
    October 3, 2010 at 8:41 pm

    I’m sure gonna be waiting to hear the Elections Office story on this one. I suspect they just never looked. This may be just one more way in which Virginia is not qualified. One among many.

  82. Anonymous
    October 3, 2010 at 8:46 pm

    NaN,

    2034. A person domiciled in a house or apartment lying in more than one precinct…

    The condition for what follows is that the house or apartment lies in more than one precinct. No it doesn’t use the word straddled, but the meaning is the same.

    …shall be registered as domiciled in the precinct designated by the county elections official on the basis of the street address or other precinct the county elections official considers appropriate…

    Under the specified condition, the election official has leeway

    …unless the person requests, either by letter or in person at the office of the county elections official, that he or she wishes to be domiciled for registration purposes in another precinct in which his or her house or apartment lies.

    The specified condition still applies, but the person may specifically request registration in an alternate jurisdiction as long as the house or apartment also lies in that alternate jurisdiction.

    In order to fulfill the requirements of this section, the letter of request shall include the name, signature, and residence address of the requester.

    Clear enough, NaN?

  83. Nimby
    October 3, 2010 at 8:52 pm

    I just don’t understand why she is always trying so hard to take the B out of her name? She should be proud of her heritage.

  84. Anonymous
    October 3, 2010 at 9:00 pm

    You can use the county GIS, where you can overlay supervisoral districts to individual lots. That will tell ya where the boundary is relative to her place.

    http://gis.co.humboldt.ca.us/Freeance/Client/PublicAccess1/index.html?appconfig=podgis

    I’d do it myself, but I don’t know her address.

  85. mresquan
    October 3, 2010 at 9:16 pm

    So did Virginia vote for Nancy Flemming in ’06?

  86. The Monitor
    October 3, 2010 at 9:22 pm

    Will this be coming in front of the elections office for review? Has this concern reached the level of investigation or is she within her rights to change her district? It is about as clear as mud right now.

  87. Anonymous
    October 3, 2010 at 9:38 pm

    The house is 100% in district 1. This is gonna get interesting.

  88. mresquan
    October 3, 2010 at 10:10 pm

    Here’s a blast from the past from hifi…..I am sure he will eat his words.

    High Finance says:
    April 30, 2009 at 8:00 am

    Virginia is not about to switch. That is a wet dream of the Democrats. Bonnie switched way back in the 90′s when the local Republicans supported Margie Handley for Assembly over her.

    Bonnie’s heart (like Specter’s) only belongs to Bonnie. She plays with the Dems because her feelings were hurt.

  89. observer
    October 3, 2010 at 10:43 pm

    The elections office told me, “You’re ward (district) is where you sleep, changing you registration without moving is against the law.”

  90. Funnygirl
    October 3, 2010 at 10:45 pm

    Well call the waaaaaaaaaaambulance. If it is certified by the Elections Office, what is this all about? Why would it be sleazy if it is legit? Why all the whines – wait, I’ll take a Merlot.

  91. Not A Native
    October 3, 2010 at 11:09 pm

    Anon you’ve failed to read all part of the code together. A domicile isn’t a building(habitation) but a “place”, per the definition below(my bolding). The entire real parcel on which a habitation is sited is the “place” of domicile. If part of Bass’ real parcel includes District 4, then she’s reasonably domiciled there.

    349. (a) “Residence” for voting purposes means a person’s domicile.
    (b) The domicile of a person is that place in which his or her
    habitation is fixed
    , wherein the person has the intention of
    remaining, and to which, whenever he or she is absent, the person has
    the intention of returning. At a given time, a person may have only
    one domicile.

  92. Anonymous
    October 3, 2010 at 11:22 pm

    You don’t habitate in or on the back fence.

  93. Anonymous
    October 3, 2010 at 11:23 pm

    “Well call the waaaaaaaaaaambulance. If it is certified by the Elections Office, what is this all about? Why would it be sleazy if it is legit?”

    Certifications are not always legal.

  94. Observer
    October 3, 2010 at 11:25 pm

    Calif. Reg. Sec. 17014
    “Domicile has been defined as the place where an individual has his true, fixed, permanent home and principal establishment, and to which place he has, whenever he is absent, the intention of returning.”
    “An individual can at any one time have but one domicile. If an individual has acquired a domicile at one place, he retains that domicile until he acquires another elsewhere.”
    You vote where you sleep and you re-register when you move. It’s pretty clear to me.

  95. Anonymous
    October 4, 2010 at 6:27 am

    NaN,

    I understand you need to try to say up is down, but it’s still up. If Virginia were homeless, you might have an argument. As Virginia has a “house or apartment” in which she lives, her place of domicile is that “house or apartment.”

    It’s really a waste of time to try to convince people otherwise.

    The waaambulance troops have a better chance — start arguing that fairness requires that the elections office certification stand. At least there you have something to stand on.

  96. Anonymous
    October 4, 2010 at 7:07 am

    NaN,

    If the plain words of the law aren’t enough, there’s always common sense. Imagine you have a house in Jurisdiction 1 at the edge of Jurisdiction 2. You are registered in Jurisdiction 1. Now you buy the adjacent parcel in Jurisdiction 2 to extend your property line, but do not construct a house in the extension and do not move. Are you now entitled to register in Jurisdiction 2 on the grounds that you are domiciled there?

  97. 06em
    October 4, 2010 at 7:18 am

    I followed the Anonymous-9:00pm link above to the GIS data, ticked the box on the right to show supervisorial districts and zoomed in to the Hayes/U/V Streets area in question. The map shows all of these streets being completely in the first district in this area, so the street addresses would all be first district. If you knew the parcel number of the property, you could determine if any part of it touches the fourth district. There are two or three parcels which border the fourth along the back property lines of the lots. The rest are completely within the first district.

  98. Plain Jane
    October 4, 2010 at 7:26 am

    SO, Chris Crawford lied AGAIN and Bass’ change of district had nothing to do with redistricting due to the census like he claimed. Why would anyone trust what these lying right wingers say?

  99. High Finance
    October 4, 2010 at 8:13 am

    So, this is all a conspiracy devised by Carol Crnich & Bonnie Neely’s sister?

    Do you left wingers ever listen to how ridiculous you guys sound?

  100. Anonymous
    October 4, 2010 at 8:22 am

    See, NaN, pay attention to HiFi. He knows how it’s done.

    And think for a moment about the shrieks of outrage from the right wing echo chamber if the elections office, Bonnie Neely’s sister donchaknow, had refused to allow Bass’ completely reasonable request to change her registration when her property line includes the district!!!

  101. Anonymous
    October 4, 2010 at 8:37 am

    No one said conspiracy. Mistake maybe. Needs legal confirmation.

  102. Plain Jane
    October 4, 2010 at 8:40 am

    Bonnie’s sister who was conspicuously missing from the ad featuring Bonnie’s family endorsing her? That sister?

    I wonder who the Arkley gang would get to run against Crnich if she ever told them no.

  103. Anonymous
    October 4, 2010 at 9:26 am

    so what is the address in question?

  104. Goldie
    October 4, 2010 at 9:30 am

    No one said conspiracy. It could be a case of Do good, look good. Do bad, look out. We just don’t know yet.

  105. Plain Jane
    October 4, 2010 at 9:49 am

    It’s on “U” Street, 9:26, which is ALL in the 1st District according to the district maps. The back of her property has the same address as the front of her property, “U” Street.

  106. Anonymous
    October 4, 2010 at 10:02 am

    HiFi,

    Here are some suggestions for you, free of charge.

    1) Because the jurisdiction boundary is 700 feet, more or less, from the centerline of Buhne, you can play with the definitions of 700, feet, centerline, and Buhne.

    2) Maybe there are electrical or plumbing lines attached to the house that run into the correct district. Claim that those are part of the house, and that therefore the house lies in both jurisdictions.

    3) Assert that Virginia has taken to regularly sleeping on the grass at the back of her property, in the correct district.

    4) Repeat “ridiculous” regularly, religiously, redundantly, and ridiculously.

    5) Pray.

  107. Not A Native
    October 4, 2010 at 10:06 am

    The part of the not mentioned by us amateurs here is case precendent. Legal authority doesn’t rest solely on statute text, in the way evangelical Christians claim authority through simply the reading and parsing the (translated)bible. Legal authority also relies on case law, statutory history, and the legislative record. For all we here know, a very similar situation could have arisen before and been decided. In fact I’d guess thats pretty likely.

    I expect(hope) the elections office did some research into the statute when making their decision. Wouldn’t be surprised if Bass hiared an attorney to help her ge the change.

    As I wrote before, Crnich should be asked. Its likely the media will do that, then we’ll all be more informed.

  108. Cookie Jar
    October 4, 2010 at 10:11 am

    When you are caught with your hand in the cookie jar as Virginia has been in this case your handlers have to do damage control.

    So we have Chris Crawford with the big lie approach. I was walking past the cookie jar and it jumped up and grabbed my hand (It was all because of the census).

    Then we we have HiFi with his usual “spin” approach. I was looking for my car keys. I thought maybe they were in the cookie jar (it is all a conspiracy).

    Oh what a tangled web we weave, When first we practice to deceive – Sir Walter Scott

  109. Un-Named
    October 4, 2010 at 10:14 am

    Whatever you think about the issue, it was a conscious decision on her part. In her own mind she is very aware of these discrepencies and is playing a front. What would she, as supervisor of ANY district, say of people bleeding between lines like she’s done? Does it matter if it’s one person or several, making decisions for multiple districts based on where a common interest is at the time? It’s also very obvious what the common interest in this case is.

    One word: SHADY!

  110. Anonymous
    October 4, 2010 at 10:17 am

    Much improved, NaN, much improved. That gosh-durn plain text don’t mean nuthin, ‘cept to you ignoRAMuses.

    Who are you going to believe, me or your lying eyes?!

  111. StraightUp
    October 4, 2010 at 11:47 am

    The “tangled web” quote is from Robert Burns but at least you got the country right.

  112. Anonymous
    October 4, 2010 at 11:52 am

    nice timing with this post btw.

  113. Cookie Jar
    October 4, 2010 at 12:05 pm

    Sorry Straight…the “tangled web” is originally from Sir Walter Scott (Marmion, 1808).

    If you think it is from Burns cite your source.

  114. The Monitor
    October 4, 2010 at 12:11 pm

    Not a native, do a spell check and read your copy before leaving your replied. Oops. It’s not much fun trying to get beyond the errors.

  115. The Monitor
    October 4, 2010 at 12:19 pm

    anon 10:02, When driving down that little stretch of V St. I saw a woman in the grass in her PJ’s. She looked like she had just go up from a long sleep. The grass was matted down. Now I know what she was doing. It is kind of like peeing and marking you territory. I had no idea, until now, how changing you voting district was done. Thanks for the chuckle.

  116. Not A Native
    October 4, 2010 at 3:00 pm

    Monitor, if I used scrupulously perfect spelling and grammar, it would deny you the sole thing you have capability to understand and comment. It would be mean spirited and petty. My trivial errors are a make-work program tailored to your skill level.

  117. High Finance
    October 4, 2010 at 5:45 pm

    This isn’t a spelling bee or a typing test. We all make typos. In our haste to make a brilliant point or two, we all make grammer mistakes, some more than others.

    But this whole topic is bogus. If TV ever had on any decent shows we wouldn’t waste our time on this topic. All of us here are nothing more than armchair lawyers or armchair County Clerks. The professionals decided that it was proper to list Virginia in the fourth district. To claim it is some “corrupt” conspiracy is nothing more than bitter partisan politics. When you consider that it was Carolyn Crnich & Bonnie Neeley’s sister that made the decision any intelligent person would know this whole topic is crap.

  118. Ne'er-do-well
    October 5, 2010 at 5:47 am

    hifi, at least you are consistently dumber than dirt

  119. Anonymous
    October 5, 2010 at 7:43 am

    No corruption. Just a possible misunderstanding of the law. Even professionals make mistakes.

  120. High Finance
    October 5, 2010 at 9:16 am

    Ne’er-do-well. You have a well deserved reputation for being the nastiest poster around. People like you are why blogs have such a bad reputation.

  121. StraightUp
    October 5, 2010 at 11:40 am

    Cookie Jar,you are correct! I shall eat humble pie along with my haggis tonight.

  122. Plain Jane
    October 5, 2010 at 12:04 pm

    HiFi knows posters’ reputations now? Did someone take a poll or is he again voicing his own opinion while trying to give it the force of many? HiFi constantly shows that he deserves his reputation as the most ignorant wannabee elitist poster around.

  123. High Finance
    October 5, 2010 at 12:14 pm

    You really are an idiot Jane. I think you have HFDS, (High Finance Derangement Syndrome). Unable to respond intelligently with logic or facts you only respond with insults anymore.

  124. by the numbers
    October 5, 2010 at 12:15 pm

    I second the motion by PJ

  125. by the numbers
    October 5, 2010 at 12:15 pm

    all in favor…. motion carried

  126. by the numbers
    October 5, 2010 at 12:17 pm

    HiFi now is the official “wannabee elitist poster” at the Herald

  127. by the numbers
    October 5, 2010 at 12:18 pm

    meeting adjourned!

  128. Plain Jane
    October 5, 2010 at 12:29 pm

    I’m not surprised they named a mental illness after you, HiFi. You must be very proud.

  129. tenth street dreamer
    October 5, 2010 at 12:34 pm

    You forgot one word. His tag should read “wannabee arrogant elitist poster”. He belongs in Washington with the rest of the elite right wingers. No, maybe he needs to go up the yellow brick road and find himself a heart. His joints sound very rusty.
    Actually HiFi is why blogs get a bad name. Distortion of reality is a treatable decease, however.

  130. Nimby
    October 5, 2010 at 8:25 pm

    It’s kinda sad how comments tend to fizzle out into ugly name calling. But who am I to talk.

  131. Eurekite
    October 6, 2010 at 7:29 am

    Regardless of which district Bass is in, this is a ridiculous, podunk issue. There needs to be a clear and unambiguous property-line division of the districts. There is no excuse for this kind of fuzziness, especially when the borders of D4 are so important to having proper representation for Eureka. Most district boundaries aren’t controversial, but this one runs through the city limits.

    The fact that she voted in district 1 for years is a fairly clear indication that she LIVES IN DISTRICT 1.

  132. Anonymous
    October 6, 2010 at 8:03 am

    maybe. but my son in massachusetts votes by absentee, using our address as his home base.

  133. Anonymous
    October 6, 2010 at 10:55 am

    Well, what are you going to do about it Eureka?
    Bass’s won’t respond to Ananoblog. anyone call the registrar, anyone call the TS, anyone call Bass for clarification, Hank trolls around here but will the Journal do a story? This shit-talk needs legitimacy or else it is just shit-talk.

    It is all public information, are you gonna have a go or let it go?

  134. High Finance
    October 6, 2010 at 12:35 pm

    Take it up with your sister Bonnie.

  135. Wazthere
    October 6, 2010 at 12:50 pm

    This where she lives thing is stupid. Before she can run, elections must show that she lives in the district. This is just a lot of hot air.

  136. Goldie
    October 6, 2010 at 1:00 pm

    Suppose the thing that transfers her from the 1st to the 4th is unlawful, invalid or on the wrong form?
    An expert is needed because saying that Bonnie’s sister was involved just is not enough to calm my curious mind.

  137. October 6, 2010 at 5:34 pm

    I talked to Elections. Bass lives in the Fourth District. For the full story, go here.

  138. High Finance
    October 7, 2010 at 4:33 pm

    Makes Heraldo look pretty damn silly now, doesn’t it?

  139. Anonymous
    October 7, 2010 at 4:37 pm

    Some of us would still like to see an objective party measure the distance from Buhne to the house in question.

    Reporta knows that surveyors never lie, and working is hard.

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