Measure N according to Bass, Neely

Bonnie Neely and Virginia Bass.

At the 4th District Supervisor candidate forum Monday night, Virginia Bass and Bonnie Neely were asked to explain Measure N, what it includes and what it excludes.

At first, Bass said she “won’t try” to explain it, but then said it was a measure to rezone the Balloon Track.  She said it “excludes Walmart-superstore type stores.”  Bass added that in general, she thinks taking rezoning issues to the voters is a bad idea.

Neely explained “N” is a measure to rezone the Balloon Track from public to commercial/office space, and said she opposes the measure. She said the controversy over the property surrounded the clean-up, which has now been settled in a federal lawsuit.

“In fairness, all property owners should follow the same process,” said Neely, rather than buying their way onto the ballot with a $30,000 check.

The candidates were also asked about jobs.  Bass said elected officials don’t create jobs, but they create an environment where jobs can be created.  For this to happen she said the private sector needs a welcome mat, and grants and other funding should receive less priority.

So, to cater to the private sector, Bass promises to go against her better judgment and allow anyone who can wave a big check in the air a spot on the ballot.  Welcome mat or door mat?  You decide.

When it comes to big boxes, Neely said Eureka recruited a lot of them as a redevelopment strategy, but that it failed miserably.  She said such development is “totally outdated,” and there is no reason to give up valuable land to retail.  She noted Eureka’s high commercial vacancy rate, and said big boxes are not the highest and best use of a property.

When it comes to the news, Neely said she reads the Times-Standard every morning and also reads news online, including the Sacramento Bee to follow state news the affects the Humboldt County. Neely said she also reads the blogs.

Bass said she’s old fashioned, and while her husband is online early in the morning (hi Matthew!), Bass likes to have something in her hand to read but also listens to the radio and watches news on TV. She said a good way to get news is to walk around and talk to people.  She called blogs a pox on society.

  1. Neal Latt
    October 5, 2010 at 12:43 am

    Balloon Track wetlands = tire ruts, according to Randy Gans. Randy and Security National allowed Schmidbauer put their log deck over the top of them, a self-fulfilling prophecy if I ever heard one! Apparently, they didn’t want the Coastal Commission to see the extent of the damage, so they wouldn’t allow them to tour the site recently. How hospitable!

    It’s sad that Hank Sims is running away on his formerly excellent long-form coverage of what’s really going on at the Balloon Track. That place is begging for a cover story like only he used to write. I queried Hank about his new position, pointing out that it was inconsistent with his two excellent Balloon Track cover stories from 2004 and 2005. He sure didn’t appreciate the criticism. Guess I put a bee in his bonnet.

  2. Voter
    October 5, 2010 at 12:52 am

    Oh yeah, the blogs are a pox on society, but not a single reporter was present at the forum tonight. Thanks for doing what you do Heraldo! I consider it a real service to society, even though you allow your opinions to show (not that John Driscoll or Hank Sims do, oh no not at all, and let’s not even talk about Daniel Mintz).

  3. Goldie
    October 5, 2010 at 12:53 am

    Bass thinks N is a bad idea? She voted to have it put on the ballot. Maybe she did not understand what she was voting on.

  4. Anon
    October 5, 2010 at 1:02 am

    Bass’s most honest and heartfelt answer was why she left the Republican Party: she disagrees with them on same sex marriage, and she didn’t like the corporate bailout.

    Most of her other responses were either “I don’t know” or “whatever I was told to say.”

    Neely thinks for herself, knows how to get things done, and is a strong supporter of both the local economy and the environment. She’s the best candidate by a long shot.

  5. Bolithio
    October 5, 2010 at 6:55 am

    Im not taking a position here on “N”… but the ‘wetlands’ issue is complete bullshit. There may be saturated soils, which would lead to tire ruts or obligate species growing there, buts thats about it.

  6. Anonymous
    October 5, 2010 at 7:08 am

    Thank goodness we are almost done with Neely. Perhaps then someone will start a blog with meaningful conversation and our community can begin to move together in some kind of positive direction. The vitrolic nonsense comming from all directions is about the worst choice we could make. While I believe that much of this initially eminated from the Neely/ far left camp (including this blog) there is plenty of blame to spread around. Enough.

  7. JAG
    October 5, 2010 at 7:25 am

    Perhaps “Goldie” should stay awake during Council meetings. The Mayor doesn’t vote.

  8. Harold h. Greene
    October 5, 2010 at 7:41 am

    a pox on the community, lol …

  9. Big Al
    October 5, 2010 at 7:46 am

    Pox on dude!

  10. Derchoadus
    October 5, 2010 at 7:47 am

    She called blogs a pox on society.

    Yeah, free speech is a bitch!

  11. wazthere
    October 5, 2010 at 7:53 am

    I watched with amazement when Bonnie claimed that she was not the “developer” candidate when she has taken huge donations from the Forrester-Gill folks and the Dana Point Developer. I guess Bill Pierson can also be called a developer. What a pathetic attempt to try to get re-elected. Just another example of why she needs to go.

  12. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    October 5, 2010 at 7:57 am

    Miss Neely mentions the process. Remember John Woolley’s famous words, “it’s all about the process.”

    Anyhow, are all county processes run legally while affording its applicants(property owners & developers and contractors and quasi public/private partnerships with lead agencies, etc.) their constitutional rights for any redress directly to the Board of Supervisors and their subordinates? There sure are lots of local projects where many question whether processes really exist or that a process is manipulated (but manipulated upon everyone the same).

    So, the only way a peson REALLY UNDERSTANDS IS to have had themself been involved in enough processes with some capacity to experience the true nature of what “really occurs” in those processes provided that any process was a “complete and legal process”. Of course, a duplicitive process that changes and changes is not really a process even though any public agency may be compelled to assert it is.

    Procedural due rights generally establish that any process should not change in construct or form, especially when applying the equal protection standards/clause within the U.S. Constitution from applicant to applicant.

    Anyhow, are the 2nd story housing units that were proposed “officially gone from the fray of detail” within the balloon tract project known as the Marina Center?

    Jeffrey Lytle
    McKinleyville – 5th District

  13. Gimme_A_Break
    October 5, 2010 at 8:01 am

    The cleanup lawsuit settled in a federal court aside, let the voters speak to developing Marina Center or not.

    And Neal…you are so full of sh*t. Fish and Game declared the Balloon Track a ‘degraded wetlands’ more than ten years ago. Log storage wasn’t a cited reason.

  14. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    October 5, 2010 at 8:04 am

    ENOUGH PEOPLE KNOW THE FEW WHO RUN THIS BLOG.

    ENOUGH PEOPLE KNOW WHO NO LONGER PARTICIPATES ON THIS BLOG

    The reasons are justified in most respects I am sure.

    JL

  15. SelectiveReading
    October 5, 2010 at 8:05 am

    The forum was broadcast live. So unless you were there this edited select entry reflects what this blog wants to hear. The biggest laugh was when Neeley called herself a candidate of the people. Parading around a few success stories in front of the BOS does not mean that people’s lives have improved.

  16. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    October 5, 2010 at 8:06 am

    Above was for Voter & 7:08 am,

    JL

  17. Anon
    October 5, 2010 at 8:21 am

    Have coffee before posting Jeff it may help XO

  18. wazthere
    October 5, 2010 at 8:23 am

    I really loved the false “troubleness” over the sewer funds from Neely when she will hide from all the taxpayer funds spent on the redevelopment debogle and the Tooby Ranch case. If she is so troubled about funds, then how much has the County spent on the General Plan mess.

  19. Anonymousie
    October 5, 2010 at 8:34 am

    Right Onnn wazthere…what’s up with the Grand Jury Health and Human Services audit–is this a real agenda item or just a Rumor at this point…!?

  20. A-Nony-Mouse
    October 5, 2010 at 8:43 am

    GAB 8:01 The log deck in question was only ther in its enlarged form for the last couple of years. It made a huge mess and allowed contaminated mud to literally run down Washington Street into the bay.

    Look at Virginia’s list of donors. It reads like a Who’s Who of Humboldt County developers. Bonnie may have afew friends but Virginia has an army of bulldozers ready with their engines running!

  21. Ragtime
    October 5, 2010 at 8:54 am

    Why – when there are discussions about erecting buildings on filled-in wetlands – does no one mention the earthquake-related phenomenon known as “soil liquifaction” anymore?

    Do rich men’s fortunes negate the rules of geological science?

  22. Anonymous
    October 5, 2010 at 8:59 am

    Wetlands? Don’t bite.

    The real issue is Big Box and a development that will suffocate all the industry around it. Good by good jobs, hello retail hell.

  23. OffTheRez
    October 5, 2010 at 9:05 am

    Gimme_A_Break says:
    “And Neal…you are so full of sh*t. Fish and Game declared the Balloon Track a ‘degraded wetlands’ more than ten years ago.”
    NO you give me a break! your pulling that out your ass. Produce the full document with that so called declaration, or go crawl back under your rock.
    You would love to put the federal settlement aside. Not gonna happen!

  24. Anonymous
    October 5, 2010 at 9:06 am

    Could anybody watch that “debate” and think Bass is qualified? It was embarrassing to watch her struggle with just about every question.
    Her “champion of private investment” mantra sounded very naive compared to Neely’s description of millions of dollars of federal and state funds pursued and obtained by the county. Neely did not negate private investment, but she is realistic enough to know our economic situation.
    Who do you think shops at the big boxes and small businesses in central Humboldt – county employees, grant funded employees, HSU and CR employees, federal employees. If Bass and the Board ignores this segment of our economy (and does not pursue the grants and federal/state programs) we will be tens of millions of dollars poorer. It’s the reality of our economy and there is no private investor on the horizon big enough to change that dynamic.

  25. High Finance
    October 5, 2010 at 9:08 am

    Neely is opposed to the Marina Center project why? The cleanup controversy has been resolved. She says that valuable land shouldn’t be given up to retail but she supported having the jail built on that same land instead? Does that make sense to any of you?

    She said that big boxes have “failed miserably”? That such development is “outdated”? What a stupid thing to say. If it wasn’t for the sales tax revenue of Costco, Target, K-Mart this city’s finances would be in far worse shape than it is today.

  26. Plain Jane
    October 5, 2010 at 9:19 am

    Because people wouldn’t have spent that money without the big boxes, HiFi? And all the profits from those stores stayed right here in our community? The ONLY one of those “big boxes” that pays a living wage and benefits is Costco. A retail economy without good jobs to support it is a failed economy. Guess you haven’t noticed.

  27. High Finance
    October 5, 2010 at 9:25 am

    Because if the big boxes had not gone to Eureka, dear Jane, they would have gone to the outskirts or to Fortuna & all that lost revenue and all those jobs would have gone elsewhere.

    Use your head.

  28. Plain Jane
    October 5, 2010 at 9:30 am

    It looks to me like the people with a lot of money around here want most of us working at low wage service jobs, renting their properties, always subservient to our “betters” (in their opinion). Vote for their wholly owned candidates at the risk of your own future livelihood. Maybe you’ll become one of their favored lackeys, maybe not. Arkleyville isn’t a place anyone with a brain would want to live.

  29. Plain Jane
    October 5, 2010 at 9:35 am

    If you had a brain you would sell it, HiFi. You have got to be one of the dumbest, most brainwashed participants on this blog. Right wingers like you are what caused this economic mess in the first place and you don’t even have the decency to stop blaming poor people’s mortgages for it. You’re a first class idiot. Big box retail DESTROYS

  30. anadromous
    October 5, 2010 at 9:38 am

    Been a while since posting here but wanted to weigh in on this one: Measure N does not allow for a truly involved public process for the development of such a significant site. Major developments such as the Marina Center project should involve the community as part of the initial project design process. One truly meaningful way for public participation is through simulation software such as Metroquest where the community can “vote” on simulated project ideas. This would paint a better picture of what is truly being proposed – it would show the 132,000 square foot Big Box store that is the anchor for this project which, along with the vast expanse of parking lot takes up more space than either the “mixed use” component or the designated wetland area. No more Big Boxes on the Bay – No on N.

  31. Plain Jane
    October 5, 2010 at 9:38 am

    local economies, ships their profits out of the community rather than investing in the community, costs jobs because they a lower employee to sales ratio than local businesses. They produce NO MONEY, they just shift it from businesses who buy from local producers which costs even more jobs.

  32. High Finance
    October 5, 2010 at 9:42 am

    Plain Jane, a low wage job is better than none. This is just plain old simple logic that you cannot grasp.

    You are under the assumption that local retail stores pay awesome wages with full benefits. You are mistaken – AGAIN. If only you would take the time to become informed you would not be so wrong all the time.

  33. Plain Jane
    October 5, 2010 at 9:52 am

    I am not under that impression at all. I know retail doesn’t pay good wages, idiot! We can’t support the retail we have now. Increasing retail with big boxes means FEWER JOBS, not more and more money leaving the community, not less. FEWER JOBS is worse than no new retail jobs. Putting big box retail on the bay is the worst place since it prevents more beneficial use, i.e. light manufacturing or maritime related business. At least with local retail more of the money re-circulates in the community.

  34. Observer
    October 5, 2010 at 9:56 am

    Jane, He’ll never get it. This is the core difference between selling out and truly establishing local capacity and an independent sustainable economy. You are wasting your breath with Hi Fi.

  35. anonymous
    October 5, 2010 at 10:00 am

    The sad truth is that Bass is not nearly as smart, informed, experienced, or prepared as Neely, even HiFi, if he is honest, has to admit that, because there is enough proof out there. But there is a good chance she will get elected anyway because of the mood of the voters towards incumbents. Then it will be a good thing she is only 1 vote.

  36. Reality Check
    October 5, 2010 at 10:27 am

    The city is only creating minimum wage jobs, not minimum wage jobs mixed with living wage jobs. When we set the bar this low, we are dooming our community to failure. Bottom line-we can do better, and should do better. This community will not survive when retail is our largest industry. If a retail mall is the best we can do, we should all look at other areas to live in. Look at the real issue here, not just the candidates.

  37. Goldie
    October 5, 2010 at 10:32 am

    Ms. Bass is a one trick pony. Private sector investment. This is the money that backs her. This is all she knows. She has no intention of learning or reaching for grants or state or federal funds. This will end the many millions of dollars that come into this county.
    She is a small town girl, learning all she needs by walking around and talking to people and taking in a bit of the local news. She sees muddy tired tracks on the balloon track and this small piece of visual information seems enough for her.
    Besides her disdain for the millions of federal and state dollars there is her constant ignoring of our county’s cash crop. We don’t know exactly how much money this brings into the county. Some say millions, some say a billion.
    So picture this, no grants or federal or state money, no marijuana money, more retail.
    The private sector will come when our county when property values take a nose dive.
    ( and yes, JAG, I was absolutely wrong Bass, as mayor, did not vote on putting prop N on the ballot. I was posting while tired. )

  38. Anonymous
    October 5, 2010 at 10:42 am

    Funniest “debate” moments:

    1. Blogs are a pox, so I get my news from (anecdotal/gossip) discussions on the street.

    2. I believe in the private sector, so I am campaigning for a government job.

  39. taxed
    October 5, 2010 at 11:27 am

    Virginia obviously has not seen the old ariel photo of the balloon track. It is indeed a wetland and tideland. What is shocking is that she wants to let John Shelter handle the homeless problem. Why is she so ignorant of what has happened to the city of Arcata. Arcata has been almost ruined because of John Shelter and his Endeavor/NCRC. Seems that Virginia does not seem to know that there is a world outside of Eureka.

  40. none of the above
    October 5, 2010 at 11:33 am

    Ragtime asked: “Do rich men’s fortunes negate the rules of geological science?”

    Yes! Rich men can negate ALL science. What do scientists know, compared to a bubble headed reporter at FOX? Simply repeat a lie often enough to a population of dunces, and there you are.

  41. Anonymous
    October 5, 2010 at 11:35 am

    a low wage job is better than none. This is just plain old simple logic that you cannot grasp.

    High, you present a false choice. Compare Arcata and Eureka. Arcata pursued light manufacturing, has produced living wage jobs and is doing pretty darn good right now. Arcata’s finances are in order. Eureka pursued chain store retail, and when the economy took a downturn, Eureka went down with it. Oh, and Eureka’s chain store jobs are minimum wage.

    Look at the community you are helping to create, a slum city.

  42. Anonymous
    October 5, 2010 at 11:36 am

    Eureka has a low self esteem.

  43. none of the above
    October 5, 2010 at 11:41 am

    “I believe in the private sector, so I am campaigning for a government job.”

    Hey, wait a minute… she stole that line from “not a politician” Patrick Cleary.

    Government is bad. Politicians are bad. Which explains why Bass and Cleary will spend hundreds of thousands to buy supervisor seats… so they can be the bad guys.

  44. Not a Native
    October 5, 2010 at 11:50 am

    I don’t live in the 4th, but the specter of the primary election is looming over these “new” revelations about Bass. Her style/approach/personality hasn’t changed since the mayoral election. And if it wasn’t for Leonard, there wouldn’t have been a candidate’s forum now.

    People here ought to analyse that forum, try to grasp what Bass’ appeal is to those who voted for her and then figure out ways that Bonnie can gain some of that appeal. Ridiculing Bass may be a feelgood thing, but her supporters are seemingly immune to those criticsms. Its no coincidence that Richard Marks who was able to win a minor office with ability comparable to Bass is now “hooked”.

  45. Plain Jane
    October 5, 2010 at 12:00 pm

    There is no coincidence other than Bass and Marks are both eager tools for the developers and Arkley in particular. That most people don’t spend a lot of time actually thinking about the issues is a given. The name they hear or see on signs the most is the one for which they are most likely to vote. The anti-incumbent fever is raging and additionally Neely has been bashed nonstop for months on local radio as being anti-business by Arkley’s front groups. People want more jobs and cheaper prices, don’t think about what big boxes really cost a community and NONE of our local media has done a damned thing to educate them on such a vital issue.

  46. High Finance
    October 5, 2010 at 12:09 pm

    Jane has been told many times by me that while a big box does take some jobs away from other retail in the county, the net is still a plus to Eureka. A Home Depot does not take away high paying jobs & replace them with minimum wage either. The jobs it takes away are most often similar in wages & benefits. All your name calling & closed mind pontificating to the contrary does not change the facts. Your shouting doesn’t make it so, it only exposes your lack of knowledge & experience in business.

    There are no businesses lined up wanting to get into the Balloon Tract to set up light industrial businesses. That is why the property has set empty for 30 years & would set empty another 30 if the MC does not go through. Even most light industrial jobs are low wage as well.

    10.00am. Neely may or may not be smarter than Bass. Neely gives that impression because she has been in the same job, doing the same thing, day in & day out, year in & year out for twenty four years. She had better know more about the job details than a challanger. But Bass is smart enough to do a good job & will pick up those details quickly.

    11.35am. I have asked several times for any facts to back up the claims on all these “living wage” jobs that were supposedly created by Arcata’s industrial park. At least these big jobs that didn’t go elsewhere & stayed in the county. Arcata is better off financially for only one reason. HSU & all its high paying government jobs & the resulting impact on the retail sector

  47. Plain Jane
    October 5, 2010 at 12:15 pm

    A Home Depot DOES have a lower employee to sales ratio so they will employ fewer people than local business for the same number of sales. If they are “stealing” business from other towns then eventually the lost business will impact the wages of people from other towns and negatively impact all business in the entire county. Your shortsighted greed just proves what an imbecile you are.

  48. Anonymous
    October 5, 2010 at 12:16 pm

    “Home Depot does not take away high paying jobs & replace them with minimum wage either.”

    It does if it is placed in the middle of what is left of your industrial zone. Traffic and user conflicts will kill the last mill in Eureka and will end all hopes of some light industrial uses of the waterfront.

  49. Truth in information
    October 5, 2010 at 12:17 pm

    Big box developments have caused economic havoc in many small communities across the country. They under cut local business, slowly driving them out. They then mine the community for dollars, sending the bulk of the money back to corporate. Sales tax and wages are all that stays in town. The local store owner that donated to little league and local non profits is gone.
    When the big box is no longer profitable, they leave, ie. Myrvens, Gottschoks, any number of smaller stores gone from the mall. Anyone who thinks this business model is good for a city, has their head up there ass. Family business’s are committed to their community, support their community and many times pass their business on to their kids, or long time loyal employees. Stable communities are built on strong family ties, and committed local business. And yes we do need a manufacturing and light industrial component to have a healthy economy. Timber and fishing used to be the leaders in that area and we have fallen behind there. Replacement industry needs to be our focus. Bonnie has a much better understanding of this issue than Virginia. It was obvious in the debate.

  50. Plain Jane
    October 5, 2010 at 12:23 pm

    And then there is the fact that big boxes don’t even offer locally made products which further undercuts the entire county’s economy. Local entrepreneurs lose sales, their income and spending ability and downward spiral widens.

  51. Reality Check
    October 5, 2010 at 12:25 pm

    Again, HiFi, explain to me why businesses have left Eureka while Bass has been on council and mayor. Her 2000 platform was the same as it is now. She claims that she is going to create an environment where businesses want to come into-and how, how does she plan on doing that. Eureka is a plague to new businesses-the political divide stops anyone from wanting to anchor their business here, and Virginia has been a huge part of that! Look at her campaign website from 2000-again, she is going to create this happy place where businesses will thrive. She claims to go door to door to listen to the people, but ignores a major part of our local population with environmental concerns, and land-use concerns. She admits that she has been unable to bring jobs to the area, and has no new plan for the future. Bass needs to go back to waiting tables where she can say the same thing day in and day out, and it actually means something.
    Would you like fries or a baked potato with your rotten Bass?

  52. Reality Check
    October 5, 2010 at 12:29 pm

    Maybe when she winks at her customers it’s more effective than when she winks at the audience during a debate!

  53. anonymous
    October 5, 2010 at 12:39 pm

    HIFi I respectfully disagree about Bass’s intelligence. It doesn’t take intelligence to get a new stylist or raise money from peole who think they can influence your vote. Bass simply hasn’t been smart enough yet to educate herself about the GPU and other issues. Going door to door is certainly a start, but she hasn’t come up with anything concrete. It’s all nebulous, make Eureka friendly to business blah blah blah. She doesn’t have anything innovative to say and doesn’t seem to follow through. What signs do you see that that is going to change? Or are you wishful thinking?

  54. Reinventing The Wheel
    October 5, 2010 at 12:43 pm

    People often tailor comments given to notable officials…especially when it’s at your front door.

    One of my neighbors was a direct and involved witness to a well-known developer’s shenanigans, yet, she dare not say a public word in fear of developer’s political dominance in Eureka…and how that might effect the scrutiny of her next permit application…or any number of other fears of retribution this town is famous for. As opposed to arbitrary zoning changes rewarding connected individuals…

    “Government can be scary”, (Virgina Bass 10/4/10).

    Bass wants to “bring people together” as long as it’s HER PEOPLE and not OTHER people. Like with gay marriage…

    One “funny” moment was her claim that “the public doesn’t have adequate time to share their beliefs at GP meetings”. Tell that to Arkley’s lobbyist Kay Backer who’s power point completely dominated a Housing Element “public Workshop”…Bass should understand that all the meetings surrounding the GP are dominated by the same development community lobbyists and activists, had she ever attended any.

    Homeless? “we don’t need (no stinking) government direction”.

    Development? ” ” ” (no stinking)” ” ” ”

    Inclusionary Zoning? ” ” (no stinking) ” ” ” ” ” ”

    Rural development? “People have a right to live and shop where they want”.

    Ridgewood Village: “Except here”.

    Infrastructure? “There’s not enough in urban areas, but we can ‘work together’ to secure it in rural areas”.

    Prop 19? “I’ll look into it”
    Prop 23? “Haven’t read about it”
    Fishing industry? “I haven’t had any opportunity to be involved”.

    Truly unbelievable, and frightening.

  55. Reinventing The Wheel
    October 5, 2010 at 12:55 pm

    Instead of all that fear of “losing Wal-mart or Home Depot to Fortuna”, we should have been wondering how we lost the manufacturing incubators, industrial parks and light industry to tiny Arcata.

  56. anonymous
    October 5, 2010 at 1:10 pm

    This isn’t a one issue race, although that appears to be the one Bass is most comfortable discussing. The real question is do you want to vote into office someone who hasn’t read up on or has no firm position on most of the things that concern you?

  57. anonymous
    October 5, 2010 at 1:33 pm

    Bass doesn’t have read the blogs because Matthew tells her everything that’s on em. He wants to be in with the in crowd, know all the dirt as soon as it’s shoveled and become indispensible to those he deems bigger fish than he.

  58. Wazthere
    October 5, 2010 at 2:46 pm

    Why would any sane person want to read the blogs, it is just for political junkies, yep, I include myself. So what I read is the Bonnie crowd trying to get something to bring Virginia down. So let us try the stupid card… not working… let us try the “developer backed” card (oops Bonnie is also)… not working.
    Bonnie has had 24 long years to fix things and they are not better. Virginia will do a great job.

  59. humboldturtle
    October 5, 2010 at 3:08 pm

    Wazzi, the developer-backed card talking point actually is working against Bass, because it’s the truth.

    Something about these particular developers seems…

    What? Fishy? But the bottom line is voters cast their lines for the catch they like the best. Which is most likable? The catchy-named Bonnie Neely or Virginia Bass?

  60. Anonymous
    October 5, 2010 at 3:08 pm

    Maybe we forget what it was like 24 years ago. I’d say worse than today. Look at the down towns. Tell us what is not better.

  61. humboldturtle
    October 5, 2010 at 3:20 pm

    1986: The City of Eureka puts Bayshore Mall on the ballot at the request of developer Tom McMurray.

    2010: The City of Eureka puts Marina Center on the ballot at the request of developer Rob Arkley.

    So, on the city side, that’s not better. But on the county side where Bonnie has long toiled, they are doing the job more creatively with less and less. Putting a city official in charge at the county would be…er…ah..uh, unwise.

  62. Wazthere
    October 5, 2010 at 3:32 pm

    Boy the Bonnie crowd is out in force today attempting to convince themselves that mean old nasty is doing well. Again, taking big money from developers and then saying that she is not the developer candidate is just trying to put a spin on her backing. I bet you will include Bill Pierson in the developer crowd also. So keep up the false statements about who is supporting who, it is not working!

  63. humboldturtle
    October 5, 2010 at 3:37 pm

    no, no – we like our own developers fine.

    They’re helping Bonnie!

  64. October 5, 2010 at 3:47 pm

    Bass is a shameless hypocrite. She parrots HumCPR’s talking points about the General Plan, while admitting she hasn’t thought much about this key issue in the election.

    She then accuses Bonnie of being bought by developers. Someone give her a mirror.

  65. mayfly
    October 5, 2010 at 3:49 pm

    Can someone explain why several Eureka businesses have moved to Arcata?

  66. Anonymous
    October 5, 2010 at 4:03 pm

    Bass:
    “Fresh Ideas!” – I just can’t tell you any now.

    “I support Private Enterprise!” – but give me a high paying county job, because my business went broke.

    “I’ll build a culture for jobs!” – but, I’m not responsible for the decline in jobs and businesses in Eureka (even though it was part of my previous campaign platform).

    “I’m bright and articulate!” – but I don’t read state propositions, …and what is the name of that city south of Eureka where they might build boats…?

    “I haven’t had the chance to get involved in the fishing issue” – what, the ice house (on the Eureka waterfront) is an element of this issue?

  67. anonymous
    October 5, 2010 at 4:04 pm

    Wazthere, can you really really really tell me you think Virginia isn’t a little bit dense on the issues? She’s the one who throws down the stupid card when she responds that she hasn’t read about something enough to give her opinion.

  68. Matt
    October 5, 2010 at 4:15 pm

    If people want more retail so bad, why not put the Home Depot or whatever out at the mall in the old Gottschalks spot where it’s already set up for retail, rather than screwing up an industrial area and turning it in to retail? I personally would like to see the last big industrial area stay industrial, especially when it’s so near the bay.

  69. Matt
    October 5, 2010 at 4:16 pm

    “Because if the big boxes had not gone to Eureka, dear Jane, they would have gone to the outskirts or to Fortuna & all that lost revenue and all those jobs would have gone elsewhere.”

    That’s purely speculative.

  70. Very Tired
    October 5, 2010 at 4:33 pm

    LWV picked the questions that were asked and I am sure sanitized them. I love the shots at Bass, what was Bon before a supervisor. The secretary to the board of sups. Waitress, secretary, what one is far superior to the other. Now she has been on the job 24 years and knows a little about it. Seems like she should of learn a lot more. George, until you know what your talking about, perhaps you should sit this one out.

  71. Anonymous
    October 5, 2010 at 4:42 pm

    Boy, I can hardly wait for the Arkley development to open. It’s just what we need–more retail. Hot dang, it’ll definitely turn Eureka around. It’ll also provide lots of great high paying jobs. What more could you ask for. HiFi is right again, not.

  72. Wazthere
    October 5, 2010 at 5:13 pm

    There are many skills that are important to being an effective Supervisor, being a good debator is not one. Bonnie’s ability to verbally eviserate someone and to be closed minded are not the traits to make one effective. Virginia is a thoughtful person who will do a very good job when she IS elected. All the comments on this blog will not change that. Now starting soon, here come the Sundberg attacks … so predictable. Bet Salzman already has the attack points ready to go.

  73. humboldturtle
    October 5, 2010 at 5:17 pm

    Poor Wazzie.

  74. October 5, 2010 at 5:18 pm

    Virginia sure is thoughtful — unless it comes to fish, or pot, or jobs, or the economy, or the General Plan Update, or the insults she directs at Neely.

  75. taxed
    October 5, 2010 at 5:37 pm

    Virginia is so backward the wants to let John Shelter of the Acata ENDEAVOR/NCRC fix the homeless problem in Eureka. She doesn’t even know that Arcata is trying to get rid of them because they have almost completely ruined the town.

  76. Anonymous
    October 5, 2010 at 5:47 pm

    Someone should show Virginia the photo of the balloon track around 1950. It clearly shows that this property is a wetland and tideland. One would think that Virginia would have known about it.

  77. Reality Check
    October 5, 2010 at 5:49 pm

    Oh, Vivi. When will you learn……anything?

  78. tenth street dreamer
    October 5, 2010 at 6:35 pm

    Virginia couldn’t even make her own Eureka business friendly. It’s closure was not the fault of “UNFRIENDLY EUREKA GOVERNMENT”. It was the fault of an owner who ignored keeping up with the times. She did not adapt and change then and she will do the same in the future.
    She is not the answer, she is the problem!

  79. anonymous
    October 5, 2010 at 6:37 pm

    Wazthere…Bass is thoughtful? Try spacey. Gimme some eivdence there is a reasonably intelligent, thinking person behind that airhead facade. She is going to be making a lot of money to be just “thoughtful.”

  80. cheesedick
    October 5, 2010 at 6:47 pm

    I want my politicians to be stupid and paid for.
    I wish I could vote for Bonnie and Bass.

  81. Ed
    October 5, 2010 at 6:52 pm

    Sorry Was, Bonnie has shown her open mindedness about several issues, like local MJ guidelines and county planning. Being a good debater is a prerequisite to good governance, and your Salzman boogieman is a lame excuse for an argument.

  82. Have to say something
    October 5, 2010 at 7:04 pm

    So why is Bonnie supporting the Forrester-Gill nightmare and taken donations from them? have you seen this so called ” Smartgrowth”. Everyone in the Eureka city council has signed a letter against it. Cal Trans and Fish and Game have serious concerns, yet Bonnie accepted a large donation. Something stinks!!! Watch the planning commission meetings, this project is a trainwreck!

  83. Freddy Mac
    October 5, 2010 at 7:05 pm

    What “Taxed” says @ 5:37pm couldn’t be more true:

    “Virginia is so backward the wants to let John Shelter of the Acata ENDEAVOR/NCRC fix the homeless problem in Eureka. She doesn’t even know that Arcata is trying to get rid of them because they have almost completely ruined the town.”

    That Arcata bunch has no clue as how to actually address the complex issues of homelessness including the key approach of adequate preventions that ensure people do not find themselves homeless in the first place. Not that Bonnie has done much better in her years at the County level, but Virginia hasn’t a clue about an problem that is only going to get worse and not better in the near and longterm.

  84. Anonymous
    October 5, 2010 at 7:07 pm

    Wazthere said, “There are many skills that are important to being an effective Supervisor, being a good debater is not one.”

    But, this was not a debate. It was a series of questions that each candidate answered. Bass couldn’t answer questions very well. That’s worse than not being able to debate. It means you haven’t thought much about issues and you can’t think on your feet.

  85. tenth street dreamer
    October 5, 2010 at 7:42 pm

    Issues? Virginia well be looking that one up in the dictionary. She doesn’t even know where her domicile is. It will take her six months to find the Sups bathroom. Oh, let me help, “An important topic for debate or resolution”.

  86. Funnygirl
    October 5, 2010 at 7:47 pm

    Not meaning to burst any bubbles here, but this blog has become tiresome. Same folks fiercely defending viewpoints (almost wrote viewpints which may be more appropriate) so there is no discussion, but merely bashing of anyone who doesn’t agree. Can’t anyone have a dialog, a discourse, a courtious discussion of the subject matter, or is it all about smearing anyone who thinks different. “Doesn’t play well with others” comes to mind.

  87. Anonymous
    October 5, 2010 at 7:52 pm

    I agree with Matt @ 4:15 – why not use the existing empty space for Home Depot? That would be ideal. Though I’ve heard the old Gottschalks space may soon be occupied by Macy’s. Or is that just a rumor?

    I’m not a Marina Center fan, but am a fan of something going forward on the property. Who else has come forward with a plan and the funding to make it happen? That’s not saying Arkley has the money either – in fact, without HD or another big box it’s highly unlikely. In a perfect world, someone would clean up the property and then entice industry – but how realistic is that, especially given the state of the economy.

    I predict wins for Virginia and Measure N even though I will not be voting for either.

  88. Reality Check
    October 5, 2010 at 7:58 pm

    I suggest watching the what the planning commission just to see what evidence the attorney will bring against Virginia and Dave Tyson, again! Clearly you did not see the last meeting where the attorney produced multiple letters of support for the project from Eureka Mayor, Virgina Bass, as well as City Manager, Dave Tyson. Virginia has flipped her stance on this project just like she has on the balloon track! When development projects are in the best interest of Arkley, Virginia will change her stance, and when they are not in the best interest of Arkley, Virginia will change her stance. Again, I do encourage everyone to pay attention to the planning commission to see what new evidence of hypocrisy is brought against Bass.

  89. Plain Jane
    October 5, 2010 at 8:00 pm

    Funnygirl should start her own blog since all she does is complain about the quality of this one, never anything on the issues.

  90. Goldie
    October 5, 2010 at 8:55 pm

    What if she doesn’t even live in the 4th? What happens then? Does she become a candidate without a district? Will a movie be made?

  91. Funnygirl
    October 5, 2010 at 9:08 pm

    Plain Jane – you need to get a life. All you do is blog here. I don’t agree with you so I should just move outta Humboldt county? Nice. Fuck you too.

  92. jaf
    October 5, 2010 at 9:28 pm

    hey heraldo gonna start a thread on the city’s response to forster gill project?

  93. October 5, 2010 at 9:37 pm

    Well, since you asked…

  94. Plain Jane
    October 5, 2010 at 9:41 pm

    Wow Funnygirl! What part of start your own blog if you don’t like this one translates to move out of Humboldt County in your language? When idiots agree with me I’ll have to re-evaluate my own perspective.

  95. PotGrowersof Humboldt
    October 5, 2010 at 9:53 pm

    Check out the new contributers for Neely: Multiple Thousands from known pot growers in Southern Humboldt, Pierson multiple thousands and the Blue Lake tribe for another $10,000! Go green! Go local! Go Bonnie!

  96. anon
    October 5, 2010 at 10:19 pm

    …and even Virginia can’t get a shed built on the Balloon Track. Out of her league and jurisdiction, Coastal Comm. will see to that, just like the court shot down Arkley.

  97. Eric Kirk
    October 5, 2010 at 11:11 pm

    So, is there any organized opposition to N? I drove around Eureka last weekend and didn’t see even one “no on N” sign.

  98. Eric Kirk
    October 5, 2010 at 11:18 pm

    At first, Bass said she “won’t try” to explain it, but then said it was a measure to rezone the Balloon Track. She said it “excludes Walmart-superstore type stores.” Bass added that in general, she thinks taking rezoning issues to the voters is a bad idea.

    I agree that it’s a bad idea. Always.

    But I do have to read the measure I guess. What exactly is a “Walmart superstore type store,” or more to the point, what is not? Depending on the answer, I might support N too. I have no problem with development of the Balloon Track so long as it does not require a big box store which must seize half the local market in one retail area or another simply to survive.

  99. Reinventing The Wheel
    October 5, 2010 at 11:36 pm

    Does anyone else wonder how Virginia plans to, “teach small businesses how to compete with big boxes”. After so many decades, how can this tired canard still be believed?

    With the help of professional social psychologists and psychoanalysts, any small business can channel unconscious cravings into consumption of their products.
    (Aside from the interlocking directorates, capacity for diversification, funding for advanced market research, revolving door to Washington D.C., access to author federal legislation, lobbyists, offshore tax havens, access to vast amounts of credit…of course).

    If you’ve never read a book on the subject, you might have to actually begin a business from scratch to understand this old fallacy and the system that’s designed for another league.

  100. Reinventing The Wheel
    October 5, 2010 at 11:57 pm

    The new Safeway superstore at Harris and Harrison will merely cannibalize their other store 2 miles away. The superstore’s line of organics will have an immediate, temporary, but negative impact on Eureka natural foods and the Coop. Anyone that’s been inside Ray’s has to wonder how it’s already survived so many years without customers. Safeway made sure that thousands of Henderson Center residents will never have a grocery store in their building that is now occupied by Rite Aid, it’s in the lease agreement.

    California taxpayers will cover the $200,000 to redesign the intersection at Harris and Harrison…Safeway is contributing their “fair-share” of $6,000.

    Until the actual public subsidies and community impacts for this outdated development model are part of the debate, we will remain victims of blind-faith economics and their prophets.

  101. Walt
    October 6, 2010 at 6:16 am

    With electoral bribery becoming pandemic, corporate welfare is the rule rather than the exception. I sometimes wonder why HiFi and the teapartiers are angry: they’ve already won.

  102. Plain Jane
    October 6, 2010 at 6:28 am

    They don’t like the prize they won, Walt. They want the Clinton economy, not the Bush economy, and are incapable of taking responsibility for the result of the policies they supported for 8 years. When the big box miracle fails to appear locally, they will blame “libruls'” lack of faith for that as well.

  103. A-Nony-Mouse
    October 6, 2010 at 1:38 pm

    7:52 No other developer has come forward with a plan for the Balloon Track because ARKLEY KILLED THE PUBLIC PROCESS that was funded and ready to go. He would not allow community discusion os what might be built nor will he to this day.
    There is no organized opposition to Measure N because it is a meaningless measure. Ultimately the Coastal Commission will decide on what zoning is allowed in the coastal zone. The little tip to superstores is also meaningless. WalMart, for example, is concentrating on smaller stores from 40,000 to 100,000 square feet that would easily fit into measure N’s allowed stores. Once Rob actually cleans up the BT as ordered BY THE COURT, there is nothing to stop him from selling it to WalMart or anyone else at a big profit. Ever hear of the old “bait and switch”? Here we go!
    And Virginia either doesn’t have a clue or is in it up to her little blue eyeballs.

  104. tenth street dreamer
    October 6, 2010 at 2:45 pm

    Walt, the tea party is just plain angry. I don’t think they even know why in most cases. It is anti this and anti that. They swear that up is down, black is white. etc. scratch that black white part. We all know where they are on that one.

  105. High Finance
    October 7, 2010 at 9:14 am

    From the Tea Party followers I have talked to, the thing they are most angry about & fear the most is the out of control spending in Wash DC these last two years and the resulting doubling of our national debt within nine years.

    But this makes everybody who pays attention angry & afraid.

  106. Plain Jane
    October 7, 2010 at 9:32 am

    Everyone hates the deficit – but likes the spending

    “It’s the deficit – all $1.47 trillion of it – that has most people worried. Many of them are angry.”

    BUT….

    ” * 58 percent said they support government spending to develop new energy sources.
    * 70 percent said they think new government investment in the country’s infrastructure will help boost the economy over the long haul.
    * 68 percent said the government should fund job-training programs.
    * 74 percent said it should support the manufacturing sector.”

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_exclusive/20101007/pl_yblog_exclusive/everyone-hates-the-deficit-e2-80-94-but-likes-the-spending

  107. High Finance
    October 7, 2010 at 4:32 pm

    Everybody is greedy Plain Jane. The poor, the rich, the unemployed, the retired & even saintly you.

    In their greed they want the services but they don’t want to pay for it. They want that guy over there to pay for it.

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