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Brady, Newman choose the zoo over you

[Featured comment from an Officer at EPD]

I for one am thankful for Larry Glass. At a recent Eureka Police Officer’s Association meeting, both Brady and Newman showed remarkable ignorance of the POP [Problem Oriented Policing] team. Newman even called it the “Policing oriented Police” team. [Ron] Kuhnel and Glass knew the cities problems and the police departments function in helping address them. The EPOA endorsed both Glass and Kuhnel for the Eureka city council.

Both [Mike] Newman and [Marian] Brady stated that they would cut public safety the MOST if there is a deficit (and there probably will be). Both also flat out said that if it was a choice between cutting $200,000 from the Zoo, or laying off police officers, they would lay off officers (which was surprisingly honest since one of the lowest seniority officers who would face the cut was in the room and was pointed out as possibly being fired!).

EPD is a new department since the arrival of councilman Glass and Chief Neilsen. I guarantee that if Glass is voted out, the PD will return to the “Golden Years” of the recent past.

BTW – Lance Madsen showed up at the meeting because he wanted to “show his support” for Newman and Brady. Both Newman and Brady stated they would defer to Madsen for advice on how to make cuts at the PD. Madsen stated Chief Neilsen’s “political activities” needed to be addressed. He also stated he would ask Dave Tyson to stay on as City Manager. I wonder what would happen to the PD if Madsen, [Frank] Jager, Brady, and Newman were on the council. Just food for thought.

From – A progressive EPD Officer who doesn’t want the city to slide back to “the good old days” that are so often talked about by minority “old school” at EPD.

  1. Anonymous
    October 17, 2010 at 10:30 pm

    It’s all about Larry and Arkley, has little to do with the zoo.

  2. A-Nony-Mouse
    October 17, 2010 at 10:32 pm

    I can’t imagine a stronger endorsement for Glass and Kuhnel. Don’t let this city slip back into the ‘dark ages’ of swat teams and adversarial policing. Vote for Glass and Kuhnel. Knowledge and judgement do count!!!

  3. Sam Crow
    October 17, 2010 at 10:58 pm

    Jager, Brady and Newman only want enough police to protect the rich neighborhoods. Let everyone else fend for themselves.
    Ask them about they’re plans for the Fire department. Once again if you live in ward 4 or Cutten you’ll be fine every one else, GOOD LUCK!
    Keeping Tyson on is code for letting the train wreck continue. It’s so hard for him to give up the power.
    Hey Tyson how’s the Hansen case goin?

  4. Sam Crow
    October 17, 2010 at 11:00 pm

    oops thats “thier plans”

  5. Sam Crow
    October 17, 2010 at 11:07 pm

    Third try, maybe I’ll get it “their Plans”

  6. Madsen is scary
    October 18, 2010 at 12:26 am

    Yes, Lance Madsen, as one can judge from his comments above, is all about a return to the “Bad Old Days.” That he would openly express a desire to keep Dave Tyson on is all that anyone needs to know about the guy.

    Don’t vote for Lance Madsen. He would take Eureka backwards, simply said.

    Larry Glass and Ron Kuhnel for council: Hell Yeah!

  7. Anonymous
    October 18, 2010 at 1:05 am

    Make no mistake. Cops in every jurisdiction always cry for more money no matter how fat their budget may be. Larry is either naive or pandering. Either way, shame on him. Or, if this interest in driven by his business, shame on him.

    Larry has provided no plausible solution if the money pit known as the police department doesn’t take its fair share of cuts. The zoo is a drop in the bucket, nothing more. It’s time for Larry to get real and stop pandering.

  8. Walt
    October 18, 2010 at 5:44 am

    Jager, Brady and Newman will hire Blackwater to police the streets. Imagine a bunch of very cool young dudes, with shades, patrolling the streets in plain clothes with Uzis, “lighting up” the occasional knot of “bad guys” at Arts Alive. Liability? Accountability? That’s SO yesterday! We’re CONTRACTORS. We don’t got to show you no steenking badges.

  9. Plain Jane
    October 18, 2010 at 6:39 am

    Sam makes a good point. When you look at the big picture, the priorities of the Arkley stooges are clearly not in the best interests of the majority. They want to cut police funding, knowing full well that their businesses and more affluent neighborhoods will get continue to get quick response times, but don’t want to touch zoo funding because it draws people to Eureka who might patronize their businesses. Madsen tried to influence his old friends at EPD to support Brady and Newman and now wants to “address” Nielsen’s political activities because EPD doesn’t suppport the “cut police funding” candidates? It should be abundantly clear which candidates actually care about everyone in Eureka and which only care about their own bottom line and that of their funders. Brady, Newman, and Jager are in the latter category.

  10. Pitchfork
    October 18, 2010 at 7:34 am

    Lance boy seems to be loyal to whomever is feeding him.

  11. humboldturtle
    October 18, 2010 at 7:41 am

    Keeping the zoo open is less important than protecting the public from crime. Is that debatable?

  12. October 18, 2010 at 7:45 am

    Lance doesn’t need to run, because no one is running against him in his ward because of the convoluted ward system in Eureka.

  13. Anonymous
    October 18, 2010 at 8:01 am

    Claiming to be EPD officer makes it true? The lies this blog makes up is really getting old.

  14. Police over Pandas
    October 18, 2010 at 8:09 am

    Sam Crow makes the point, “Jager, Brady and Newman only want enough police to protect the rich neighborhoods. Let everyone else fend for themselves.”

    It’s like Brady and Newman prefer to lock up animals, not criminals.

  15. Plain Jane
    October 18, 2010 at 8:12 am

    How do you think he knew what occurred at the meeting, 8:01? Are you claiming what he reported didn’t happen? How would you know? It seems like you are just calling “liar liar” because you don’t like what he said but have no evidence he lied or you would have provided it.

  16. Anonymous
    October 18, 2010 at 8:13 am

    So much drama. It’s almost funny. “Lock up animals, not criminals” “Only provide police protection for rich people”. Really, so extreme and unbelievable. Laughable. And all it is truly about is your perception of Arkley vs Glass.

  17. Officer ?
    October 18, 2010 at 8:21 am

    What is the officer’s name who you are quoting?

  18. Plain Jane
    October 18, 2010 at 8:25 am

    He, like you Officer ?, has the right to remain anonymous.

  19. Anonymous
    October 18, 2010 at 8:36 am

    And you also plain jane

  20. A-Nony-Mouse
    October 18, 2010 at 8:43 am

    The point is that the police are very understaffed for maintaining adequate patrol levels. The fire department is right on the edge for staffing. You have to have a minimum number of people to keep crews at the fire stations. There is almost no margin for illness, injury, or anything else. If the level drops any lower, response time suffers (lives at stake) and your insurance rate goes UP.
    Maybe we can teach the zoo animals to spit on the fires?

  21. Plain Jane
    October 18, 2010 at 8:45 am

    Exactly, 8:36. I’m not asking for names.

  22. Plain Jane
    October 18, 2010 at 8:46 am

    The llamas would be great at that A-Nony.

  23. Goldie
    October 18, 2010 at 9:01 am

    This may be simplistic but it seems to me there are two tribes having two different visions of what should be. Those who make money by working and those who make money with money.
    The people of the neighborhoods, those who make money, seem to think in terms of what would be good for everyone, and push to create healthy neighborhoods. They want police patrols, good schools, and living wage jobs.
    Those who make money from money push an agenda that will not support happy and safe neighborhoods, seek to create low paying jobs that create high investment return.
    I appreciate the officer who posted and now I watch the other tribe start the discrediting comments. I don’t think that the lies and money of those who make money from money and those who actually want our neighborhoods to be unsafe can undermine the appreciation the voters have for Larry Glass or Chief Neilson and the recent excellent service and work preformed by the officers.

  24. stuffy
    October 18, 2010 at 9:53 am

    I’m fairly informed having been here for 30 years and working in conjunction with law enforcement. I support EPD and Chief Garr, and appreciate this article.

    Rising property crimes, serious drug usage and related problems, assaults, and some moderate beginnings of adult gang entrenchment in our fair City are of primary concern. Some municiplaities to the south of us have lost entire neighborhoods to these issues.

    I’d like Heraldo’s informed reader to keep this in mind, the figures are from Times-Standard articles of 8/06/10 and 8/10/10:

    “In June, the California Department of Justice reported that violent crime across the state in 2009 had dropped from the previous year by 6 percent. Humboldt County, however, reported an increase of 17 percent in violent crimes, with assaults rising more than 20 percent and homicides more than doubling, going from three in 2008 to eight in 2009.”

    “Eureka is the county’s retail and social services center, and our already reduced police department must contend with 169 known sex offenders, 553 parolees, 496 supervised probationers and hundreds of unsupervised probationers living in the city, many of whom are drawn to drugs and contributed to the 166 violent and 2,267 property crimes last year, totaling 10 for every 100 Eureka residents.”

  25. Living In Eureka
    October 18, 2010 at 10:12 am

    For at least 25 years & maybe longer, this has been the city of back room deals. Members of this community have started to wake-up & question these situations. It is making some real nervous & others, down right angry!

    Our city could be beautiful & prosperous. The fact that is has been so neglected, is just shameful. Until we demand a safe & clean city to live in, Eureka will remain a dump.

    Our police officers are truly over worked & underpaid for crap they have to put up with. They could take their skills & go almost anyplace else & have better working conditions & at a higher wage scale.

    Brady & Newman think that not cutting the zoo funding is worth one or more of our police officers. Well guys, I’m so glad that you’re good at fund raising. You can use these skills for the zoo when YOU LOSE THE ELECTION ON NOV. 2!

  26. Robert Zimmerman
    October 18, 2010 at 10:17 am

    The “progressive” EPD officer that allegedly wrote this is widely recognized as having his nose way up Garr’s butt, and even more ironic that this same “officer” was demonized on this very blog, and the whole community, within the past few years for some use of force issues. But I guess that’s all forgotten now that he is useful to the “movement”.

  27. Plain Jane
    October 18, 2010 at 10:25 am

    Crazy assumptions since you don’t know who this officer is, Bob.

  28. Anonymous
    October 18, 2010 at 10:26 am

    Propaganda at its finest here at the Herald.

  29. insider
    October 18, 2010 at 11:28 am

    Robert Zimmerman (aka Bob Dylan) go for a long walk a sing “positively 4th street” to your self.

  30. October 18, 2010 at 12:16 pm

    Let’s see … anonymous reporting by an unknown purported cop supporting a pro-law enforcement stance by a candidate who is strongly supported by Heraldo. It must either be true or the candidate is running behind and needs the props.

  31. Plain Jane
    October 18, 2010 at 12:45 pm

    Yeah, imagine a cop who supports a pro-law enforcement stance from a pro-law enforcement candidate. What are the odds? Seriously now…. Did you really think that through before you posted it, Chris? Why on earth would you think there is anything odd about a pro-law enforcement cop (DUH!) writing on a blog in support of the pro-law enforcement candidate that his organization endorsed? But you don’t really doubt the veracity of the cop, you just hope your pathetic attempts to discredit him might fool a few.

  32. Ron Kuhnel
    October 18, 2010 at 1:05 pm

    I was only there for my presentation and this officer accurately represents what I said, so I am pretty confident of the accuracy of the rest of his (or her) report.

    While I am very much on record on doing everything I can to support public safety which I consider the highest priority for the city, this is not necessarily just a zoo versus public safety debate, as there are lots other aspects to our general fund budget all of which are going to get close scrutiny if I am elected.

  33. anon
    October 18, 2010 at 1:23 pm

    All Madsen seems concerned about is “adressing” the chief’s political activities. All I know is that Eureka is so much better off with a progressive police chief who believes the police should be responsive to the community. The problem with people like Madsen,Jager, and the rest of the old culture is that they represent law enforcement from twenty years ago. The chief is fortunate to have a supportive community which sees the positive changes and progressive candidates who will support that work in the future. Denying the chief of his constitutional rights is a pretty good indication of Madsen’s expertise. I guess it is go along with the good ole boys or we will find a chief who will. Typical Eureka politics.

  34. Plain Jane
    October 18, 2010 at 1:40 pm

    It sounds like if Brady, Newman and Madsen were on the council, Madsen would be the de facto police chief since Newman and Brady have publicly said they would “defer” to Madsen on police budget cuts and Madsen has made it clear he doesn’t like Nielsen’s politics since he didn’t complain about Sheriff Philp’s political activities. Imagine the terrible trio with Tyson still as manager…. Police Chief Harpham?

  35. Reinventing The Wheel
    October 18, 2010 at 1:58 pm

    It appears that all the right-wing chatter about “living within our means” was correct.

    Public subsidies required by big boxes and sprawl went unnoticed for decades while our industries and manufacturing tax base was intact.

    But, they’re still demanding the subsidies for even more big boxes and sprawl, wouldn’t you??

    Do we elect the same old candidates that still support this failed model of growth, do we “move forward” anyway (Bass) and cross our fingers hoping that Eureka won’t be the next local city to face a building moratorium…?

    With the sole exception of John Osborn’s recent NCJ story on campaign financing, our media has been complicit in the charade. Voters have no idea of the historic political dominance enjoyed by the development community, the extent to which Bass, Sundberg, Jager, Newman and Brady are funded by them, the costs of public subsidies for more big boxes and sprawl, the impacts on infrastructure and social services, the plethora of successful alternatives,or the power voters have to stop this hole from being dug deeper.

    Truth is what sells
    Truth is what they want people to believe
    Truth is that which is not legally false

    Police haven’t been fully-funded since they stopped walking a beat in our neighborhoods.

  36. anon
    October 18, 2010 at 2:49 pm

    Rumor has it that Tyson’s going to rescind his resignation if his slate of cronies is elected. Then he can insert some good old boys as his department heads (Murl as chief?) & get back to his boozing, philandering, micro-managing ways without worrying about a pink slip from his council. Good-bye POP, hello SWAT.

  37. skippy
    October 18, 2010 at 2:49 pm

    Could someone fill me in as to what Mr. Madsen’s remarks (or concerns) about Chief Nielson’s ‘political activities needing to be addressed’ were/are? Hopefully from someone directly at the meeting so we can have somewhat reliable… hearsay?

  38. jill
    October 18, 2010 at 3:56 pm

    Exactly who is Madsen? I have heard the name often but can’t remember what his background or occupation is. Will someone please answer?

  39. October 18, 2010 at 4:29 pm

    Here’s John Osborn’s report on Lance Madsen.

  40. The Monitor
    October 18, 2010 at 5:36 pm

    Lance Madsen is living in yesterday, when tyson had all the power and used it ruthlessly. He did what he wanted and told the council how to vote. He was tight with Arkley from the beginning when Arkley’s wife sat on council. There was a lot of bar time at Virginia’s restaurant and deals were made over plenty of drinks. That is what Madsen brings to the table. Since he has no opponent, don’t vote for him and that will send a message if his count is very low. I shudder at the thought of tyson still in the driver’s seat. That would be bye, bye Chief Gar and yet another big cut to the EPD budget. There won’t be ten officers a shift left to drive those ten brand new unneeded police cruisers. You know the stakes, go vote.

  41. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    October 18, 2010 at 6:24 pm

    Close the zoo, easy.

    DONE.

    Jeffrey Lytle
    McKinleyville – 5th District

  42. jill
    October 18, 2010 at 7:14 pm

    How about a write in candidate for the election to run against Madsen?

  43. pluto
    October 18, 2010 at 7:26 pm

    He runs a welfare business and he says we need job development? What the %$%#

  44. October 18, 2010 at 8:20 pm

    Heraldo,

    It’s October.

  45. October 18, 2010 at 9:10 pm

    Is it over yet?

  46. The Monitor
    October 18, 2010 at 9:18 pm

    If there is some out there we can all agree on, a write in against Madsen would be good. Maybe Heraldo? It has to be a real name and I’ll bet Heraldo doesn’t want to be outed.

  47. October 18, 2010 at 9:21 pm

    Why must you torture me like this?

  48. October 18, 2010 at 9:24 pm

    So you will be ready for my October surprise.

  49. The Monitor
    October 18, 2010 at 9:32 pm

    Glass will be interviewed on KHUM 9am Tues.

  50. Anonymous
    October 18, 2010 at 10:26 pm

    Well. Firstly, Madsen isnt running against anyone, so do what you wish with your votes it wont matter. Bullying seems to work for you ‘sometimes’.

    No one said Garr is on the way out, pretty sure Madsen is pleased with the changes at EPD overall. One thing he would not turn a blind eye to is the PD budget. It has not been touched yet. If Jager is planning to follow Madsen it is a def improvment over following Atkins which he did last time and without question. We have also been disappopinted in Jones, and Leonard.

    Closing the zoo is not an option, $200,000 for the zoo is chump change after throwing $600,000 at Jefferson when we can’t afford it. Plain and simple. If there are cuts to EPD or the fire dept you have Larry Glass, Linda Atkins and the sheep on the council buying Jefferson to thank for it. Oh and Winzler…dont forget that.

    Its much more likely Garr will be appointed acting city manager. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

  51. Anonymous
    October 18, 2010 at 10:37 pm

    Progressive EPD Officer=Afformentioned soon to be cut Progressive Officer noted at the meeting???

  52. Eric Kirk
    October 18, 2010 at 11:38 pm

    October surprise? Please let it be a pony for me!

  53. tinkerbell
    October 18, 2010 at 11:52 pm

    There are other ways to fight crime than clobber everyone with police clubs and guns. I support Larry for being responsive to neighborhood concerns and getting the police to beef up their patrols but his ads are beginning to look like a police state is around the corner. Ever hear of walking and biking patrols and making neighborhoods more livable and making people feel like they are part of a neighborhood??? It’s not all about brute force and
    violence.

  54. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    October 19, 2010 at 8:21 am

    If only Madsen is on the ballot,

    The voters in that district deserve their representation.

    JL

  55. High Finance
    October 19, 2010 at 8:53 am

    Larry Glass is playing a lot of you for fools. Putting the choice between the police department & the zoo is a false choice and is dishonest.

    You could make the same false choice for every single item in the budget. “Police department or city parks”, “Police department or street sweeping”, “Police department or janitors” or even “Police department or the Fire department”.

    You must think about several important points.

    1- The budget crisis the city is going through is largely caused by the recession. Recessions always end. When it does, the budget problems will ease greatly. The budget problems are temporary, two years or three is the only question.

    2- Closing the zoo would be permanent. You would be hurting the city’s quality of life forever to ease a temporary problem.

    3- The zoo is enjoyed by thousands of people every year. I read they had something like 100,000 visitors last year. The zoo makes Eureka special and has been part of our culture for over 100 years.

    4- Police & Fire departments consume 72% of the city’s budget. There is always room for temporary budget cuts in a department that large. The police depart bought five new police cars last year at a cost of over $100,000 and they are still sitting unused. Now they want to buy another five cars this year? Does that make sense to any of you?

  56. High Finance
    October 19, 2010 at 8:56 am

    About Lance Madsen. Before he went to the Housing Authority, I recall that he was a police officer for Eureka.

  57. Plain Jane
    October 19, 2010 at 9:22 am

    That doesn’t make him any sort of expert on police dept. budgeting issues, HiFi. And you should know who pushed to buy those new police cars. Hint: It wasn’t Glass, Atkins or Nielsen. Another hint: They were purchased from a BIG supporter of Bass and the other stooges running for city council.

  58. the reasonable anonymous
    October 19, 2010 at 9:24 am

    Since lots of zoo visitors come from beyond Eureka, ideally the County should really be kicking in a significant part of the zoo’a funding. It’s not really fair for Eureka’s taxpayers to have to foot the whole bill.

  59. Plain Jane
    October 19, 2010 at 9:25 am

    So HiFi, if you are opposed to spending money that doesn’t exist on police cars that aren’t needed, you should support Glass for re-election because he and Atkins were the sole no votes on buying the cars and oppose Jager because he voted for them.

  60. Hi Fi Watcher
    October 19, 2010 at 9:36 am

    If does not fit in to HI FI’s conservative frame he can neatly overlook the point is was not the police chief who bought the police cars (it was the motor pool) and that as mentioned it was Glass and Atkins who opposed this very wasteful expenditure.

  61. High Finance
    October 19, 2010 at 10:29 am

    Just because I opposed Atkins & Glass on most of their votes, it does not mean I oppose all of their votes.

    It does show that there is money available to cut from the Public Safety budget without affecting public safety.

    But nice try at misdirection guys. The topic is the dishonesty of Glass/Atkins & Heraldo at framing this issue as cops vs zoo, which it ain’t.

  62. A-Nony-Mouse
    October 19, 2010 at 1:02 pm

    Anon 10:26 has his/her numbers backwards, I think. The zoo gets at least $600,000 from the city while the Jefferson School purchase was $200,000 of Redevelopment money, NOT general fund money (I’m not sure of the second amount but I’m sure of its source and I’m sure the zoo gets at least that much). The zoo existed for a very long time without accreditation. It was amusing and educational. We had Prairie Dogs! Now it is accredited and the cost goes up every year. The city cannot afford to give it more money every year. No one else’s budget went up. And we don’t have Prairie Dogs!! What I’m saying is that the zoo could take significant cuts and still exist. It might not be accredited but would still be a community assett. Keep in mind that attendance was over 70% from outside the city limits. That means that city taxpayers are heavily subsidizing the amusement of other county residents. The ‘gate’ from those people barely pays the cost of collecting it.

    So it’s not as easy as ZOO or POLICE. It’s more like “less zoo and adequate police”. HiFi, use those three remaining braincells behind your left ear and you’d understand this.

  63. Anonymous
    October 19, 2010 at 1:17 pm

    The Arcata Marsh and Wildlife gets 120,000 visitors a year. Sadly, it too is without prairie dogs.

  64. Plain Jane
    October 19, 2010 at 1:20 pm

    Most kids get more of a kick out of the farm than any other feature at the zoo. They loved the prairie dogs and the otters too. Featuring less exotic animals is less expensive and just as much or more of a treat than fancy bears and other imported animals. Scale it back to what we can afford while still funding public safety or close it and enlarge the gardens.

  65. Pitchfork
    October 19, 2010 at 1:39 pm

    HiFi sez: “But nice try at misdirection guys. The topic is the dishonesty of Glass/Atkins & Heraldo at framing this issue as cops vs zoo,”
    Hey doofus! Read the post at the top of this string, that’s not Larry or Linda, that’s an EPD officer who ask that question. Larry and Linda saved the petting zoo from Tyson’s axe this year. Talk about misdirection!

  66. Plain Jane
    October 19, 2010 at 2:14 pm

    HiFi must be spinning madly in his chair as he posts here. The faction he supports voted to buy new cars that weren’t requested by the police dept, weren’t needed by the police dept and the faction he opposes voted against it. But he wants to increase the power of the faction that spends money they don’t have to buy what they don’t need because it benefits the Ingomar Club gang. And then he has the audacity that it proves there is money to cut from the police budget?? What sort of brain damage causes such illogic?

  67. Anonymous
    October 19, 2010 at 3:05 pm

    Hello Jane,

    That simply is not true that the Police Department did not want the vehicles, or that they are not needed. The Chief, as well as Councilman Glass prefer the Dodge Chargers over the public works dept desire for Crown Vics.

    It is true that there are cars in the motor pool from last year have not yet been placed into service, but as public works has also been scaled way back, it takes quite a bit of time to place them into service.

    Don’t get me wrong, I favor safety over something like the zoo, but the whole car purchase issue is not what you are making it out to be.

  68. Plain Jane
    October 19, 2010 at 3:46 pm

    That is how I understood it, 3:05. They already had brand new cars not even on the street yet and spending that kind of money on more new cars in hard financial times is irresponsible regardless which campaign donor stands to gain from it.

  69. High Finance
    October 19, 2010 at 3:59 pm

    Mouse, you are wrong again. The zoo gets $700,000 and the Jefferson purchase price is $600,000. But the purchase price of Jefferson is just the begining. The fix up expenses will run into the millions. Please try harder or don’t try at all.

    Pitchfork 1.39pm. IS that a “police officer”? It is an annoymous writer who refuses to indentify him or herself. Even if a officer, it is only one out of what 50 + ? For all we know it could be Larry’s grandma.

    Plain Jane. That is twice you accused backers of my “faction” of benefiting from the car purchase. Somebody else corrected you & said it was the “motor pool”. So, put up or shut up. Who sold the city the cars & how much did they donate to the “faction”? Some facts from you would be nice for a change.

    And 3.05pm is right, the saintly chief wanted the Dodge Chargers. Does it make sense to buy chase cars that can go 160 MPH for city streets? Then why does your chief let those cars sit in the garage for over a year & deteriorate rather than use them? A fit of pique perhaps? How many thousands of dollars will the chief’s ego cost us anyway?

  70. anon
    October 19, 2010 at 4:07 pm

    HiFi,
    The cars sitting in the garage for a year are Fords purchased from Harpers. The next five are also Fords from Harpers.

  71. Plain Jane
    October 19, 2010 at 4:11 pm

    Harvey Harper sold the cars and he donated at least to $3000 to Bass in 2 separate filings. It’s the same people donating to the same faction in race after race.

  72. Plain Jane
    October 19, 2010 at 4:13 pm

    Are they sitting in the garage because the chief is in a pique or because they still aren’t ready to hit the streets? Does the chief do mechanic work too?

  73. anon
    October 19, 2010 at 4:30 pm

    The chief doesn’t control the building or release of the cars. That is motorpool.

  74. Anonymous
    October 20, 2010 at 7:51 am

    You would think voting for progressive liberals would mean you have a few people fighting for low income housing but these people are busy spending (Redevelopment) money that would otherwise be loaned to low income families to buy a home. $600,000 would have purchsed 2 1/2 houses, instead we have a boarded up defunct school, attractive nuisance. EPD can send officers to stop the looneys from burning it down if they get there in time.

    I agree with HiFi this is not a Zoo vs. Public Safety debate but this council needs Accounting for Dummies to figure out what the real questions are.

  75. Anonymous
    October 20, 2010 at 7:54 am

    “This Council” meaning Present council…god help us we can do better with the next bunch.

  76. High Finance
    October 20, 2010 at 9:15 am

    Plain Jane, Bass did not vote to purchase the cars.

    But you knew that. Do facts mean anything to you?

  77. Anonymous
    October 20, 2010 at 9:24 am

    She did not advocate against it if she thought it was a bad idea.

  78. Plain Jane
    October 20, 2010 at 9:33 am

    I never said Bass voted for it. The mayor can’t vote unless there is a tie and there is no doubt if there had been a tie she WOULD have voted for it. She is a part of the faction that voted for it, or did you miss the mutual endorsements?

  79. High Finance
    October 20, 2010 at 10:15 am

    I am really trying to restrain from laughing at you Plain Jane, but now you are saying we should vote against Bass because she MIGHT HAVE voted for something?

    Unbelievable.

    BTW, Brady & Newman did not vote for the cars either.

  80. Plain Jane
    October 20, 2010 at 10:25 am

    Their faction and elected endorsers did, HiFi. If Bass opposed buying cars from a major campaign contributor, she should have said so. She endorsed the people who voted for it and Brady / Newman are part of the same faction with the same endorsers. Laugh all you want, it’s fact.

  81. Plain Jane
    October 20, 2010 at 10:26 am

    Oh, and YOUR choice for supervisor, Jeff Leonard, voted for it as did YOUR choice for mayor.

  82. Anonymous
    October 20, 2010 at 11:00 am

    Wait the the same campaign contributor (Harvey Harper) that sells equipment (trucks) to dope growers? HiFi must be really pissed!

  83. High Finance
    October 20, 2010 at 12:18 pm

    “Faction” Jane? What faction?

    Faction= “A group that is part of a larger group but that opposes the views of it or of other member groups”.

    What “group” is Newman & Brady a member of that also includes Glass & Atkins?

    I see two groups that are relevant here. One is the conservatives who are backing Brady & Newman. Of that group, which includes thousands of people, only two voted for the cars. That is Jones & Jaeger.

    The other group is the liberals who are backing Kuhnel and Glass. That group includes hundreds of people and of that group only two voted against the cars.

    But you did succeed in misdirection again Jane. The issue is that there are places to cut in the Police Department’s budget that will not affect public safety. It is dishonest for Glass & Kuhnel & Heraldo to try & represent this as a Zoo or Police choice.

  84. Plain Jane
    October 20, 2010 at 12:31 pm

    Are you under the mistaken impression that Atkins and Glass voted to buy the cars, HiFi? Your disingenuous naivete is laughable. The people who endorsed Brady & Newman are the same people who endorse Jager, Newman, Bass and Sundberg who additionally endorse each other. That is the faction I am referring to. No one in the opposing faction (Glass, Atkins, Kuhnel, Neely, LaValley, Cleary) voted for the cars or endorsed anyone who did. I can’t make it any clearer than that.

  85. Plain Jane
    October 20, 2010 at 12:33 pm

    You left Jeff Leonard out of your count as one of the people who is of that faction and voted for the cars, HiFi. Convenient memory lapse since you claimed to support him for supervisor?

  86. Plain Jane
    October 20, 2010 at 12:35 pm

    Your definition of faction is correct, HiFi, but the group I am speaking of includes everyone in Humboldt County. Your view is so narrow its a wonder you qualify to drive.

  87. Plain Jane
    October 20, 2010 at 12:37 pm

    You keep claiming that the new cars proves there is money that can be cut from the police budget, but how can you cut money that has already been spent?

  88. High Finance
    October 20, 2010 at 2:27 pm

    Silly Jane.

  89. Goldie
    October 20, 2010 at 2:53 pm

    “Silly Jane” means he again has no answer for the loose logic and thin facts in his posts.
    Jane we must all understand that when someone is as important and superior as High Finance, no answers contain facts are necessary. A simple reminder of his elevated position and knowledge should suffice.

  90. High Finance
    October 20, 2010 at 3:22 pm

    Silly Goldie.

    (sigh), let me explain it to you two if you really just don’t get it. People are saying that no cuts can be made to the PD or Fire department without jeopardizing public safety. Yet here we are spending money these last two years on PD cars that must not be needed.

    Obviously, based on prior unnecessary spending the last two years, there is some money that can be cut there. Everybody knows that in a budget as large as the public safety budget there are always places to save. Not places you would want to cut perhaps, but in a fiscal emergency you can.

    72% of Eureka’s budget is public safety. You cannot balance the budget with millions of dollars of cuts without some cuts coming there.

  91. A-Nony-Mouse
    October 20, 2010 at 4:19 pm

    HiFi, sit down. I agree I had my numbers wrong, as I suspected in my post. The zoo actually cost a lot MORE than I thought….and it goes UP every year. Money for Jefferson is NOT available for the General Fund. It is Redevelopment money. What could be better redevelopment than creating a vital community asset? The zoo is on a runaway budget train and makes almost NO attempt to limit its expenses.

    Now about those cars. The point is not whether the PD will eventually need new cars. Of course they will. The arguement was about whether it was wise to buy Ford Crown Vics when they are now going out of production. This is their LAST model year. So now we’re stuck with dinosaurs. Thanks Harvey!!!
    There are several other better candidates that will be available soon. Chevy is building a car specifically for police use. I think Ford is also coming out with a new special model. But NO, we’re in such a GD hurry to pay off Harvey, we get the dregs. Nice job, Stooges. Once again you earned your name.

  92. the reasonable anonymous
    October 20, 2010 at 4:39 pm

    “72% of Eureka’s budget is public safety. You cannot balance the budget with millions of dollars of cuts without some cuts coming there.”

    I suspect that’s true. The question is how deep those public safety cuts might end up being, which is in part dependent on how much can be cut elsewhere.

    With regard to the zoo, I realize I’m being a bit repetitive here, but I really do think that if the zoo is to remain open, the County should be footing a substantial part of the bill (given that many zoo visitors are from other parts of the County). Does anyone know if there’s been any serious discussion of this by the City Council and/or the County Board of Supes?

  93. humboldturtle
    October 20, 2010 at 5:22 pm

    No. Nor has there been serious discussion about the city sharing welfare costs.

  94. High Finance
    October 20, 2010 at 5:25 pm

    Mouse, two points. One is that while the Redevelopment fund is paying the original $600,000 purchase price there is NO money to pay the $2-3 million in fix up expenses.

    Second is about the cars. The Dodge Charger has a small trunk & not much room in the back seats. The CHP bought them only to use as chase cars in their high speed pursuits. Something totally out of whack for Eureka city streets.

    And while the Crown Vic is being discontinued, that doesn’t mean existing ones are suddenly unusable. That was the funniest thing Glass ever said. Ford will continue to service the Vics for years.

    As far as “paying off Harvey”. Who the hell do you think will sell the new model Fords? The city asked for bids & Harvey was the low bidder. Don’t you believe in using local businesses where ever possible?

  95. anonymous
    October 20, 2010 at 6:05 pm

    The Chargers were cheaper than the Fords when the first ones were purchased. I guess Harvey learned something from that.

  96. Anonymous
    October 20, 2010 at 9:13 pm

    The Chargers weren’t cheaper… they had to be retrofitted from scratch in the Bay Area and there was no local support.

    Once they were put into use the cops didn’t want to drive them because of their size and the mounted cameras.

  97. The Monitor
    October 20, 2010 at 9:53 pm

    Grants are being researched and grants will be written for the ones that fit the project. RCAA is involved with the project a charter school, etc. which makes grant funds a bit easier to get. There are other interested parties. That is as much as I know. The dealership does not service or repair the Vic. police cars. That is done at the city facility. My opinion is “traffic patrol is probably the best use for the charger”. However, officer’s opinions, pro and con, would help clarify. Some officers like the car and others prefer the Vic.

  98. High Finance
    October 21, 2010 at 9:38 am

    So Monitor, if the lower level at Jefferson is taken up with a park, where will all the parking be for these unnamed businesses? These unnamed businesses that are supposed to be so excited about moving in the Jefferson building?

  99. A-Nony-Mouse
    October 22, 2010 at 7:59 pm

    They sure as heck won’t need the entire playground. There is such a beehive of activity around Jefferson that you’ll be aghast, HiFi. Just watch.

    Harper gave the city a whopping $500 discount on the Crown Vics because they’re a closeout model. Parts will become harder to get and more expensive (as an old Ford owner, I know this to be true). A little patience could have rewarded the city with brand new models dsigned especially for police use. Of course the Crown Vics will be used but we could have done much better if the 3 Stooges weren’t in such an all-fired hurry to pay Harvey back. If he was low-bidder on the new models, I’m all for him. But he was eager to stick us with “Ford Dynosaurs” that we’ll be paying for for a long time. A friend just negotiated a $3000 price reduction on a USED pickup at Harpers. And all we could get was a $500 discount? Nice work, Tyson.

  100. Anonymous
    October 22, 2010 at 8:41 pm

    A-Nony-Mouse says:
    October 22, 2010 at 7:59 pm

    Ya know A-, I’ve always thought you were smarter than your last post, I guess I was wrong.

  101. Anonymous
    October 22, 2010 at 8:45 pm
  102. tenth street dreamer
    October 22, 2010 at 9:25 pm

    Anon 8:45 The point was; why buy 5 crown vics or chargers, it doesn’t matter. What does is the wasteful purchase of 5 new cars when 5 other new cars where just sitting around waiting for those cool cop things, like sirens, lights, computers, gun racks, etc. At a time when the city is $4.5 mil short in the general fund, why spend $125,000 when you don’t need to. It is not about which make of car, it’s about keeping cops working on our streets.

  103. The Monitor
    October 22, 2010 at 9:27 pm

    I am working on the answer hifi.

  104. OffTheRez
    October 22, 2010 at 9:47 pm

    HiFi doesn’t care, he’s like all the other rich people who dump on the west-side. there’s not retail business moving in there. It will be services for young people like day care, North coast children services. etc. Little kids don’t need parking. Jefferson School didn’t need parking before you guys closed it HiFi!

  105. High Finance
    October 23, 2010 at 9:43 am

    “you guys”? The school district closed Jefferson, not some secret conspiracy of corporate rich dudes meeting in secret rooms at the Ingomar Club wanting only to “dump on the west-side”.

    I thought one of the objections the neighborhood group had to C/R was all the people who supposedly would be parking on the neighborhood streets. And that was when C/R was going to keep 2/3rds of the lower level for parking.

    Now the new plan is to have zero parking. If the buildings are ever rented out, 100% of the parking will be on those same neighborhood streets and suddenly it is OK? I’m confused.

  106. Anonymous
    October 24, 2010 at 1:35 pm

    can anyone define public safety?

  107. FoxStudio
    October 24, 2010 at 2:53 pm

    Well, I kind of like to feel safe and secure in my own home at night. And able to walk down the street without worrying about being mugged and robbed or worse. I’d like to know that most of the people are following the traffic laws most of the time so I feel like I can drive around safely. I’d like to know that if I have an emergency the cops will show up fast and that the criminals know that, too.

    Really, srsly, can’t you figure it out yourself?

  108. Anonymous
    October 24, 2010 at 4:26 pm

    Communities are safer when plenty of experiences are available to its youth. One of those is learning about animals, an experience that has been invaluable to me. The interest can start in a good zoo, and our zoo improves every year.

  109. Just saying
    October 24, 2010 at 4:44 pm

    I feel safe when I have the basics of life, clean air, clean water, open space, my biggest worry is not someone coming into my house or attacking me on the street.

    All of this negative talk about Eureka is a real bummer. Eureka is a beautiful town, on a beautiful coast, tucked next to a beautiful forest, when you continue to express negative ideas… you start to believe that those ideas are the truth.

  110. Heidi
    October 24, 2010 at 5:27 pm

    This place is bitchen, the people are fantastic I am so grateful to live in Eureka and be a part of such wholesome, clean, historic, cared for community. We have some city council members who genuinely care about what the citizens say, we have some wealthy people who pony up once in a while for no personal reward, we have citizens willing to volunteer and give of themselves. We could be in a 1970 Santa Clara tilt up mixed use development with a starbucks, a jamba juice and a safeway to choose from, hideous traffic, undrinkable tapwater and no identity. We are all so lucky, “we” are so worth defending.

  111. The Monitor
    October 24, 2010 at 6:13 pm

    Heidi, you go girl. We do lose sight of why we live here and how committed a city it really is. There is a level of involvement that many cities lost years ago. Eureka is a city that still defining it’s way and a great dialog is under way. It will make us a stronger community.

  112. jill
    October 24, 2010 at 7:52 pm

    Learning about animals? Like keeping a social creature like Bill the chimp locked up in solitary confinement? How about that poor bear whose parents were killed in order to build the cage she is now housed in. If this is your idea of a zoo you are from the middle ages.

  113. Anonymous
    October 24, 2010 at 8:20 pm

    I am from the middle ages, and knew Bill as a child. We also fed the animals our Halloween candy. Now, people know better. I am an animal lover and our zoo has grown up as well to know better how to treat the animals and provide a learning experience for our youth that is more appropriate.

  114. Just saying
    October 24, 2010 at 8:47 pm

    jill says:
    October 24, 2010 at 7:52 pm

    Jill you should get out more, the zoo is really special… how many times have you been to the zoo and been able to try a climbing wall? You seem to have focused on the negative aspects of the old time Eureka Zoo. Get out more and enjoy your community, have you seen the baby flamingo, the map of the watersheds of Eureka?

  115. High Finance
    October 25, 2010 at 5:35 pm

    The zoo is indeed very special. The only reason the left is against it now is because of Larry Glass. He single handily turned liberals against it.

  116. humboldturtle
    October 25, 2010 at 5:48 pm

    The zoo is very very special, HiFi. And the left isn’t against the zoo. People who think public safety is more important than a pretentious little zoo are not even against the zoo. It would make a nice community farm, but first…

    vote Glass, Kuhnel and LaVallee!

  117. High Finance
    October 25, 2010 at 6:15 pm

    You could at least pretend you’re telling the true Turtle instead of contradicting yourself in the same paragraph.

  118. jill
    October 25, 2010 at 7:16 pm

    I am not against a zoo that gives their animals proper natural habitats and other animals to socialize with if the species requires it. This has nothing to do with Larry Glass. It is ignorant to assume that a person wanting to have proper care for animals has anything to do with voting in this town.

  119. jill
    October 25, 2010 at 7:24 pm

    Oh yeah, how does a climbing wall benefit the animals kept in the zoo? You have a warped idea of a zoo. You would do better at an amusement park.

  120. Anonymous
    October 25, 2010 at 7:39 pm

    Many of our poorest kids would never have the change to see animals in person from other continents, and will never leave Humboldt County to see more professional zoos. I think they are now doing a great job and it is a needed attraction. A climbing wall would be integrated with the playground as a draw, but needs supervision, which they have at the zoo. Anything that helps our poor population of kids’ enrichment is important, to me. The zoo has been greatly improved and the staff is very committed to keeping the animals well and the education of our locals.

  121. Anonymous
    October 25, 2010 at 7:40 pm

    would never have the “change” perhaps, but I meant, the “chance”.

  122. Just saying
    October 25, 2010 at 7:54 pm

    Jill, let me explain how a climbing wall benefits the animals… it brings people to the zoo, which increases revenue. The Sequoia Park Zoo Foundation and the zoo staff have done a tremendous job increasing the attendance at the zoo, which brings in more revenue which helps not only the animals but also helps but the community. Like I said you should get out more, you might find that you enjoy it.

  123. tenth street dream
    October 25, 2010 at 8:07 pm

    There is nothing wrong with the zoo that money wouldn’t cure. The city doesn’t have the money. Is there something that is not clear about this? If it is such a great resource, get out there and raise money for it, or lobby the county to kick in. Words are cheap and so are the shots.

  124. A-Nony-Mouse
    October 25, 2010 at 8:35 pm

    Larry did not vote against the zoo. In fact, it was at his insistance that the Petting Zoo was retained after Tyson tried to eliminate it from the budget.
    Like Tenth Street says, it’s a nice little zoo but the city cannot keep funding it at current levels. The zoo’s pretentious insistance on ‘acreditation’ has raised the costs immensely. If it was a choice between a zoo and effective public safety, my vote would be to scale back the zoo or help it to find other sources of revenue. The original ‘entry fee’ barely paid the cost of paying someone to collect it. Now it’s higher this year so we’ll see just how much the community supports their zoo. I hope it’s a lot or it’s going to be a very tough choice. Meanwhile, don’t blame Larry because he raised the issue. It MUST be confronted at some point. at least he had the guts to start the conversation.

  125. Just saying
    October 25, 2010 at 9:00 pm

    Sheesh… you guys are like a broken record.

  126. Heidi
    October 25, 2010 at 9:29 pm

    OH Hi Fi why is it always political? I flipped burgers at the zoo until 2 days before I delivered my daughter, I remember the old bears, jolene the baby gibbon in diapers, the otters and prairie dogs, Cort and John and the boys from Bravo company buying coneys, things have changed but I am endeared to not only the spirit that still thrives but my memories. (Nothing like the smell of warming corndog grease pregnant, I’ll never forget that!) Being a Eurekan is not about being a liberal or what ever you call yourself, it is about being endeared, passionate, empowered,engaged, making a difference, being a committed member of this community not a naysayer and fingerpointer. My first meeting at the Jefferson Committee, I came in with a proposal and an excel spreadsheet with a financing idea for both Jefferson and the Zoo, I had just returned from Oklahoma City and was inspired by their historic bricktown AAA ballfield, watertaxi and the financing plan that made it happen. It inspired me, trust me Hi Fi I got shut down in about a second and it was not by Glass, I was told funding scenarios like this are for much more important projects. Slammo back in your place! OK I am a rookie but I am still inspired. I am sure you would call me a “liberal” but there are are a lot of people like me around here, we are not doing things because we are politically motivated we are simply doing the next right thing in front of us for the future of our community.

  127. Anonymous
    October 25, 2010 at 10:19 pm

    Love the zoo too. It is leaps and bounds better than it was and the petting zoo is really a great addition. I have many great memories of bringing my children there and have enjoyed seeing the improvements in the habitats.

  128. Crandall welfare pimp
    October 25, 2010 at 11:06 pm

    Newman say’s he is going to bring jobs to Eureka? He is a big cheese with the Chamber of Commerce so why hasn’t he done something before this? What an impotent mealy mouthed wanna-be politician. Typical-all talk and no action. This is just a rerun of the of the past and the bad policies of running this place into the ground.

  129. jill
    October 26, 2010 at 10:47 pm

    Is that poor bear still alive in her CONCRETE cell? All the idiots and white trash only learn how to hold wild animals in captivity from this display. What educational value is there in that.

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