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Glass ad puts focus on safety

A new campaign ad by Eureka City Councilman Larry Glass features the Problem Oriented Police (POP) team and spotlights public safety as issue #1.

[YouTube=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewMpXSke7Jk]

  1. Jack Z
    October 17, 2010 at 1:13 am

    Will Larry volunteer an unbiased urine analysis for the POP program?

  2. Plain Jane
    October 17, 2010 at 4:33 am

    Do they need one?

  3. Andrew Bird
    October 17, 2010 at 5:21 am

    It is an effective commercial about an issue that Eureka residents are very concerned about. What’s more, Eurekans know the ad is not BS.

  4. "Burn One"
    October 17, 2010 at 7:50 am

    Nobody is fooled by this except maybe the police and fire personnel. Everyone in Eureka knows Larry’s support for public safety is just a cover for business practices.

  5. Anonymous
    October 17, 2010 at 8:09 am

    Burn one must be lighting his own farts ’cause he’s blowin’ one out his ass.

  6. Plain Jane
    October 17, 2010 at 8:09 am

    The anti-Glass clique is getting desperate with their slimy innuendos and ad hominem attacks.

  7. Plain Jane
    October 17, 2010 at 8:12 am

    Too funny 8:09. Never heard that one before.

  8. Mitch
    October 17, 2010 at 8:50 am

    Ah, Unbiased Urine Analysis.

    Yet another great name for a band.

  9. Sam Crow
    October 17, 2010 at 8:50 am

    The “anti-Glass clique” huh? I’m calling them them “Arkely Jihadists” It’s a holy war fought with money and lies against all who don’t follow the TRUE path to riches (sucking up to Arkley)
    Here a partial list of Eureka’s Jihadists:
    Rex Bohn, Dave Tyson, Mike Jones, Julie Williams, Matt Ownen, Richard Marks, Humbugs at the Mirror, Rob Mcbeth, Frank Jager………John Osborne outed most of them in his campaign finance story!

  10. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    October 17, 2010 at 8:54 am

    As long as local cops and government officials are not installing secret gps devices to track Humboldt County Citizens or its guests.

    [redacted]

  11. 06em
    October 17, 2010 at 9:11 am

    Jeffrey:
    I would guess that most readers of this blog already knew about your news item 2 or 3 days ago when it was media fresh. But even if they didn’t, it is pretty much completely off topic for a thread on a new local campaign commercial. Please! Ask yourself how germane your thoughts are to the original post and, even then, think twice before you hit ENTER.

  12. 06em
    October 17, 2010 at 9:14 am

    Nice ad. Direct and clear.

  13. October 17, 2010 at 9:38 am

    Clear and direct – that is what Larry is! What you see, is what you get – Re-elect Larry Glass to the Eureka City Council!

  14. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    October 17, 2010 at 9:44 am

    06em,

    I disagree – its POP; and, does POP do surveillances?

    Anyhow, does Eureka receive any federal law enforcement funding? How about the County and Eureka on quasi/jurisdictional operatives????

    Redaction = cover-up the truth (by creating debateable conjecture about article application to blog post) in a way never done before on this blog for information not unbecoming.

    06em, are you part of the blog host – did not see a redaction e.t.a.?

    ….and, I did not even condemn Larry at all, go figure???

    JL

  15. October 17, 2010 at 9:53 am

    Jeff, please post links to your off-topic issues rather than cut and paste whole articles.

  16. Anon
    October 17, 2010 at 10:08 am

    Crime in Eureka is a county-wide issue–just think back on how many violent crime perpetrators in other communities have been busted in Eureka. The POP is a great idea–instead of waiting to bust people when another crime is in process, find them before they can do it again.

    People who know Larry know that he is for real on the POP and public safety. Campaigning door to door the first time he ran opened his eyes to the number of residents who don’t feel safe in their neighborhoods.

    But Eureka also needs the flip side: strategies to keep kids from getting into crime and hard drugs in the first place.

  17. anonypotumus
    October 17, 2010 at 10:15 am

    Larry did not “spear head” the POP. It was on the books before he was elected. I know he likes to take credit for all things he thinks will get him votes, but he did not invent the wheel in this case.

    POP was initiated a year or two ahead of Larry’s election to the council. Larry has a habit of stretching the truth. Next we will hear he fathered Jesus Christ.

  18. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    October 17, 2010 at 10:18 am

    Heraldo,

    too funny, asking AFTER redacting. Your Open-door policies are eye twisting like juggling balls or throwing discs as you want them to be kineticized and when.

    Alas, you are the unkown moderator, so rules don’t apply, right?

    JL

  19. Plain Jane
    October 17, 2010 at 10:29 am

    Fighting the ‘scourge’: Humboldt County business group makes donation to help take on meth
    Thadeus Greenson/The Times-Standard
    Posted: 10/05/2010 01:10:16 AM PDT

    “The two-year-old POP program was designed to free a group of officers from the ceaseless demands of going from one call for service to the next and to allow them to work larger investigative cases, tackle problems at the roots and target offenders who lower the quality of life for entire neighborhoods.”

    2010 – 2 years = 2008 What year was Glass first elected to the city council, Anonypotumus?

  20. October 17, 2010 at 10:34 am

    My rules apply, Jeff.

  21. Plain Jane
    October 17, 2010 at 10:36 am

    Thadeus Greenson/The Times-Standard
    Posted: 05/18/2008 01:24:58 AM PDT

    “Kicked off about a year ago, EPD’s Problem Oriented Policing, or POP, program currently consists of two officers, who attempt to find the root causes of chronic problems. Eureka Police Chief Garr Nielsen wants to see the team increased to four officers, a sergeant and a police services officer. ”

    2008 – about a year = 2007. AGAIN, what year was Glass first elected, Anonypotumus? Are you a shameless liar who should be ignored or just so uninformed that nothing you say should be given any credence?

  22. Anonymous
    October 17, 2010 at 10:38 am

    Jeff the Henchman is an idiot.

    How can he continue to embarass himself?

  23. Plain Jane
    October 17, 2010 at 10:49 am

    Certified copy of portion of proceedings. Meeting of September 16, 2008, Agenda Item 10.

    SUBJECT: Implementation of a Problem Oriented Policing Program.

    Council approved the development and funding of a Problem Oriented Policing Program as described in the attachments; and direct the City Manager to “Meet and Confer” with
    the Eureka Police Officers Association and Eureka City Employee’s Association on the related impacts of this program.

    http://www.ci.eureka.ca.gov/civica/filebank/blobdload.asp?BlobID=4976

  24. mresquan
    October 17, 2010 at 10:53 am

    Go over to the humboldt mirror to read on how desperate the anti-Glass campaign is getting.Posters are now having to impersonate Larry to make him look bad.

  25. Plain Jane
    October 17, 2010 at 10:56 am

    No thanks, Mresquan. The few times I’ve subjected myself to that filth the need to shower was overwhelming. I’ve already had my shower today and hate to waste water on such vile garbage.

  26. October 17, 2010 at 11:11 am

    The Mirror is L A M E. So they called me lame. Now they are blocking my comments – Ha!

    Have a nice day.

  27. Living In Eureka
    October 17, 2010 at 11:31 am

    Anonypoyumus
    I’ve said it before & I’ve got to say it again;
    You are so full of crap!

    Larry Glass fought long & hard for POP team. It is great to see the change to our neighborhoods.

    City Hall is being held accountable for their part in this mess. The Police Dept. is actually working with neighborhoods to clean up crime areas. Working together to make a difference. A concept that only started with the first election of Larry Glass.

    Larry listened to the neighborhood groups. He then worked hard with us to achieve our goals. He along with Linda Atkins have made such a difference to our quality of life.

    Blighted areas are addressed, options are presented, action is taken. Families are moving back. Children are outside playing again. Criminals are going to jail. Now, neighborhoods are taking landlords to court. Things are changing in this city & Larry Glass has been there every step of the way.

  28. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    October 17, 2010 at 11:48 am

    Heraldo @ 10:34am,

    but when (what time???)?

    Answer based on actions.conducts of moderator: Now, as rules were not necessary then (as in yet, until now). Hmmmm, I guess in H.H.’s mindset, it is justifiable that rules need not be explained or justified – they just are (kinda like those others’ rules for which offers in-like-kind samenesses as H.H.’s rules for which soap opera choreographings to extract power and control BECOME the very reverse-applique excuses/reasonings used in so many political issues by Heraldo and faceless others).

    Now, back to game-channel scores prior to eating more political rhetoric for a melted cheese and tomato lunch. No need for Anonymous meatheads overusing brain proteins that render lactic acid.

    JL

  29. October 17, 2010 at 11:54 am

    Jeff, if comment space was trees, you’d be leaving a clear cut or three every day. Just say what you mean, clearly and concisely, if possible. Otherwise, don’t bitch about Herado’s rules.

  30. Plain Jane
    October 17, 2010 at 12:33 pm

    I’ve wondered if the reason so many of us have trouble understanding what Jeff writes is that he is so much smarter than we are, but truly smart people can communicate at any level and don’t require all the verbiage and archaic language which only confuses and bores readers.

  31. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    October 17, 2010 at 1:09 pm

    Whose bitching? Rather, pointing out hypocrisy. Hey, it is not as if yourself, PJ and others are too stupid to come to Heraldo’s aid as an aide. Again, too funny.

    JL

  32. October 17, 2010 at 1:28 pm

    “…pointing out hypocrisy.” Who can tell when the expression is so convoluted?

  33. October 17, 2010 at 2:10 pm

    The rule is simple, Jeff. Leave a link to your off-topic issues rather than hog a mile of space with your cut and past jobs.

  34. anonymous
    October 17, 2010 at 2:59 pm

    and try to keep the obfuscating, superfluous language to a minimum

  35. October 17, 2010 at 3:02 pm

    Yes, that would help.

  36. October 17, 2010 at 3:10 pm

    Otherwise, it’s not writing, it’s just typing.

  37. Sam Crow
    October 17, 2010 at 3:22 pm

    anonypotumus dork, Glass is talking about the REAL POP team with Sargent Steve Watson, not Merle’s Community Improvement team.

  38. The Monitor
    October 17, 2010 at 3:32 pm

    I have come to the point of not even reading Jeff. If I have to think that hard to understand the guy and sort out innuendo, piled upon innuendo, and obscure references that only he understands, what is the use of wasting time? I will just move on to the next person and hope they have something worthwhile to say.

    I live in one of the neighborhoods that has been hard hit with crime in the past. I will have to say that it is getting much more livable as of a couple of years ago. POP is making a real dent and I am very appreciative of Larry Glass’s effort to institute the program and the Chief for keeping it going under difficult economic times. If anyone on council ever deserved to be reelected, Glass is that person.

  39. anonymous
    October 17, 2010 at 3:50 pm

    Henchman, here’s a challenge. Type up a normal post, but preview it first & compress it down to 3 sentences max, 3 sentences that are no more than 3 line each. If it still makes your point, post the short version.

  40. Anonymous
    October 17, 2010 at 3:51 pm

    I too skip each “Henchman” post. I can endure poor writing if I understand the content. However, JL writes so poorly that any meaningful content is lost.

    Anyway, I appreciate the POP; it is making a difference. Thank you to the police and all supporters of this effort.

  41. October 17, 2010 at 4:10 pm

    I also skip Jeff’s posts due to their nonsensical nature and wouldn’t have noticed how off topic the above comment was if 06em hadn’t made note of it.

    Anonymous 3:50 offers a good challenge. Jeff should try it.

  42. A-Nony-Mouse
    October 17, 2010 at 5:09 pm

    I only wish the surrounding images were slower so you could better see the rooms full of weapons, the wasted tweekers, and the piles of ‘hard stuff’. POP has put the fear into the drug crowd and made things much better for the rest of us. I watched Larry fight hard for this program. I’m amazed he pulled it through the knothole of the 3 Stooges but he did. Vote for Larry. The job’s not done yet.

  43. mresquan
    October 17, 2010 at 5:15 pm

    Trust me I am all for ridding Eureka of violent tweakers and junkies and such,but please remember that a lot of people residing in these perceived “tweaker houses” or whatever you want to call them are just poor people,some with disabilities who are just trying to get by and improve their lives,and are not drug drug addicts or violent people.

  44. October 17, 2010 at 5:31 pm

    I. “Living In Eureka says:
    October 17, 2010 at 11:31 am

    “Anonypoyumus
    I’ve said it before & I’ve got to say it again;
    You are so full of crap!

    Larry Glass fought long & hard for POP team. It is great to see the change to our neighborhoods.

    City Hall is being held accountable for their part in this mess. The Police Dept. is actually working with neighborhoods to clean up crime areas. Working together to make a difference. A concept that only started with the first election of Larry Glass.

    Larry listened to the neighborhood groups. He then worked hard with us to achieve our goals. He along with Linda Atkins have made such a difference to our quality of life.

    Blighted areas are addressed, options are presented, action is taken. Families are moving back. Children are outside playing again. Criminals are going to jail. Now, neighborhoods are taking landlords to court. Things are changing in this city & Larry Glass has been there every step of the way.”

    I say, Councilman Larry Glass’ and Eureka Chief Garr Nielsen’s POP successes are legion — as seen every day on KIEM-NEWS CHANNEL 3!!

    II. “Sam Crow says:
    October 17, 2010 at 8:50 am

    “The “anti-Glass clique” huh? I’m calling them them “Arkely Jihadists” It’s a holy war fought with money and lies against all who don’t follow the TRUE path to riches (sucking up to Arkley)
    Here a partial list of Eureka’s Jihadists:
    Rex Bohn, Dave Tyson, Mike Jones, Julie Williams, Matt Ownen, Richard Marks, Humbugs at the Mirror, Rob Mcbeth, Frank Jager………John Osborne outed most of them in his campaign finance story!”

    Do they vote and march in lock-step like the sociopathic, OBSTRUCTIONIST Congressional Republicans — Senators and Congresspeople alike!?

    If so an objective critic might ask, “Arkely Jihadists”? “Eureka’s Jihadists”?

    How about branding them SCCPs::– sociopathic Conservative Corporatist Politicos — out of step with the march of Progressive, humanistic History?

  45. the reasonable anonymous
    October 17, 2010 at 5:49 pm

    mresquan,

    Good point.

  46. October 17, 2010 at 5:51 pm

    As a compassionate and progressive Humanist, I have a great deal of sympathy for “tweakers, junkies, poor people, and disabled friends!” Because SOCIETY — SEVERELY DYSFUNCTIONAL SOCIETAL NURTURING — is to blame, is liable, is accountable, YES! is answerable, decidedly culpable. (Witness the absence of such social victims in the Nordic nations and non-Anglo-American European Democratic Socialist countries — where far superior “quality-of-life” conditions and cultures (and YES! greater economically taxed) societies exist!!

    But a five-year old ODing on Meth!??!

    THAT is going too far!! That demonstrates exceedingly unethical and poor judgment!

    One can NOT hurt other people — women, children, youth, disabled persons, anybody!!

  47. Not A Native
    October 17, 2010 at 6:21 pm

    Being a tweeker IS a disability but no excuse. If someone is not maintaining their property to an extent that neighbors call it a ‘tweeker house’, its still a public nuisance and the public has evey reason to correct the problem, regardless of the occupant’s financial or mental condition.

    Remember recent results of tolerating hoarding behaviors under the rationale that poverty or disability is excusable? Deadly house fires and deadly confrontations on the highway.

    Ignoring dangerous behavior while hoping it will go away has real implications, and they aren’t pretty. Not to mention the damage and destruction caused by the many zoning and code violations that are mostly kept well back from egregious public view until criminal activities become impossible to ignore.

  48. Plain Jane
    October 17, 2010 at 6:42 pm

    There are probably non-tweekers living in the same apartment houses and hotels as the tweekers due to extreme poverty, non-drug related disabilities, etc. The quality of their lives would improve if the tweeker nests were cleared out, especially if the city would make the landlords clean them up.

  49. October 17, 2010 at 7:33 pm

    asb2525@5:51- I understand what you are saying, but ultimately individuals are responsible for their actions and choices. Simply blaming “SOCIETY” is meaningless. It may be to society’s advantage to compassionately provide help to those who have been ensnared in substance abuse, but that doesn’t make it society’s fault. The issue is far more complex than that.

    The Mongols, who I greatly admire, have a saying: Destiny chooses the challenges a person faces. The person chooses how to respond.

    PS- It doesn’t sound like you have traveled much, as your comments about other countries and political systems are rather naive.

  50. The Monitor
    October 17, 2010 at 7:41 pm

    Plain Jane, AND NOT A NATIVE You are describing why the POP program is so important. Landlords are part of the problem but they can’t put the tweekers out of business. You do that with a well trained POP unit. This is not the time to back off just when EPD is close to real success. You have three candidates that will strongly support EPD on this one. That is Glass, Kuhnel, and LaVallee. The other candidates don’t seem to get the importance of this intervention approach to the cancer that is taking the life energy out of this town. You may think that is over the top, but just imagine Eureka without the drug dealers, and crack houses. It wouldn’t take five years to witness a much safer and enjoyable community to live in. Just try to imagine it.

  51. Officer at EPD
    October 17, 2010 at 7:44 pm

    I for one am thankful for Larry Glass. At a recent Eureka Police Officer’s Association meeting, both Brady and Newman showed remarkable ignorance of the POP team. Newman even called it the “Policing oriented Police” team. Kuhnel and Glass knew the cities problems and the police departments function in helping address them. The EPOA endorsed both Glass and Kuhnel for the Eureka city council.

    Both Newman and Brady stated that they would cut public safety the MOST if there is a deficit (and there probably will be). Both also flat out said that if it was a choice between cutting $200,000 from the Zoo, or laying off police officers, they would lay off officers (which was surprisingly honest since one of the lowest seniority officers who would face the cut was in the room and was pointed out as possibly being fired!).

    EPD is a new department since the arrival of councilman Glass and Chief Neilsen. I guarantee that if Glass is voted out, the PD will return to the “Golden Years” of the recent past.

    BTW-Lance Madsen showed up at the meeting because he wanted to “show his support” for Newman and Brady. Both Newman and Brady stated they would defer to Madsen for advice on how to make cuts at the PD. Madsen stated Chief Neilsens “political activities” needed to be addressed. He also stated he would ask Dave Tyson to stay on as City Manager. I wonder what would happen to the PD if Madsen, Jager, Brady, and Newman were on the council. Just food for thought.

    From- A progressive EPD Officer who doesn’t want the city to slide back to “the good old days” that are so often talked about by minority “old school” at EPD.

    Heraldo-Many saved the EMAIL outlining the above facts from the recent EPOA meeting. If anyone disagrees with my statement’s one of us will feel free to provide the meeting minutes for review by Heraldo.

  52. humboldturtle
    October 17, 2010 at 7:55 pm

    Thanks, Officer! Well put.

  53. October 17, 2010 at 8:01 pm

    Yes! Thanks for taking the time to post your comment!

  54. humboldturtle
    October 17, 2010 at 8:05 pm

    Now about that ticket…joking! joking!

  55. Andrew Bird
    October 17, 2010 at 8:25 pm

    Officer at EPD…why did the EPOA endorse Frank Jager after he voted to decimate the Department? Peter LaVallee is a staunch ally of the EPD in unison with Larry and Ron.

  56. Decline to State
    October 17, 2010 at 8:30 pm

    Thanks for your input “Officer @ EPD”…this vote is a slam-dunk for me. I wish all my voting decisions were so easy.

    Thank you Councilman Glass and thank you Chief Neilsen.

  57. humboldturtle
    October 17, 2010 at 8:32 pm

    Jager is a brother cop, Andrew. But they should have gone with Peter for the same reasons they went with Larry.

  58. The Monitor
    October 17, 2010 at 8:44 pm

    It is really too bad that Lance Madsen isn’t running against someone. Comments and attitudes like the above officer mentioned, don’t get any air time. Madsen is from the old school here in Eureka. He graduated like Jager, two terms with Tyson. They want a repeat of the 1990’s and the brady bunch thrown in for Tuesday night council TV. Personally I am already very tired of those guys as a rerun. Once was more than enough for me. A political cartoon if you will.

  59. October 17, 2010 at 8:50 pm

    “foxstudio says:
    October 17, 2010 at 7:33 pm

    “asb2525@5:51- I understand what you are saying, but ultimately individuals are responsible for their actions and choices. Simply blaming “SOCIETY” is meaningless. It may be to society’s advantage to compassionately provide help to those who have been ensnared in substance abuse, but that doesn’t make it society’s fault. The issue is far more complex than that.”

    Thank you for your comments, FOXSTUDIO.

    But I respectfully and strongly disagree, FOXSTUDIO.

    Philosophers, professors, Sociologists, psychiatrists, psychologists, Neurologists Drs. Sigmund and Anna Freud rebut your individual culpability assignation and mentality.

    People are born good, with an innate sense of justice. An innate sense of fairness.

    SOCIETY CORRUPTS GOOD AND DECENT HUMAN BEINGS!!

    Signed,

    “ENLIGHTENMENT” PHILOSOPHERS JEAN-JACQUES ROUSSEAU, JOHN LOCKE, VOLTAIRE, DIDEROT, THE ENCYCLOPEDISTS.

    Something is ROTTEN TO THE CORE in the United States and England!!

    Signed,

    William Shakespeare

    Society, including — especially — the theology of theocrats, causes “societal schizophrenia,” not genetics, Sociologists aver.

    Signed,

    Thom Hartmann, considered the smartest Progressive talk show host on the radio and television, who proves that conclusion everyday, utilizing well-reasoned arguments and established evidence, based on scientific and sociological studies regarding VITAL QUALITY-OF-LIFE matters and socio-economic facts in the Scandinavian and European Democratic Socialist countries.

    The US, on the other hand, IS exceptional — exceptionally bellicose, genetically belligerent, militaristic, raw-war-like, psycho-sadistic, regrettably genocidal, and torturous.

    The myriad homeless Vets on drugs, alcohol are to blame, Sir? Impossible!

    PLEASE NOTE the proof contrary to that assertion presented this very evening on national TV on 60 MINUTES in “STAND DOWN.”

    Stand down, please, FOXSTUDIO, with your (1) GUILT PROJECTION onto US Society’s victims; (2) your typical FREUDIAN PSYCHIATRIC DENIAL; and (3) stale and weak exoneration of the genocidal, psycho-sadistic, misogynist US culture.

    What WE THE PEOPLE are dealing with here, FOXSTUDIO, are SCCPs — sociopathic Conservative Corporatist Politicos, who practice RECISION for example on decent, hard-working, voting Citizens, whose paid-for, paid-up health insurance polices are cancelled the moment they become ill!??!

    That is clearly sociopathic and fraudulent!!

    That is enough to drive even strong people with good coping skills in (thus societally provoked) pathologies, aberrations, and despair-numbing self-medication(s).

    Finally, Keen Observer, tell a Black child born in an inner-urban ghetto, abused from birth by a crack addict, gun-toting father and an also abused mother (s)he is culpable — not his environment and nurture!??!

    It defies logic, science, studies, accepted knowledge, common sense!

    NURTURE ACCOUNTS FOR 99% OF HUMAN BEHAVIOR. NATURE BUT 1%!

    Signed,

    Jean-Paul Sartre
    Dr. Dreyfus, Professor of Philosophy, The University of California at Berkeley, The Massachusetts Institute of Technology.

    PS::— The MEN in women’s lives are who and what cause the so-called “hysteria syndrome!”

    Signed,

    Doktors Sigmund and Anna Freud

    PSP [POSTSCRIPT PLUS]::— Gross betrayal, fraud, and theft are the reason for head-of-household suicides, not heredity.

    Signed,

    Pink Floyd, “The Wall” Street

    and

    Being deployed FIVE (5) times as CANNON FODDER for MALICIOUS SCCPs is the reason for GI suicides — NOT genetics, NOT nature.

    Signed,

    Major-General Smedley Butler, “RAW WAR IS A [SCCP] RACKET”!

    NURTURE! NOT NATURE, SIR!

    Again, thank you, FOXSTUDIO, for your thoughtful, but decidedly incorrect, conclusions.

    Signed,

    Zagler and Evans
    asb2525, B.S.I.E., B.M., B.A.

  60. Officer at EPD
    October 17, 2010 at 9:00 pm

    Andrew-

    Lavallee’s stance on a “civilian review board” as he explained it to the EPOA would have left open the possibility of folks like Kim Starr (verbana) sitting in and making disciplinary decisions in police complaint cases. He described his hope of a board would be a “Berkley style review board” (his quote).

    Not only the line officers, but the chief of police, are very weary taking the disciplinary discretion out of the chiefs hands.

    Much of police work is discretionary in nature. To arrest or not to arrest, to warn or to cite, to use physical force or not, to swear (cuss) or to use the “kings english” are all very subjective decisions that are based on the training and experience of the officer involved. Luckily, most Americans will never be violently attacked as adults, or be involved in physical fights. As a police officer, I have been in numerous violent situations/attacks. I have had deadly weapons brought against me (but when the bad guy is taken into custody w/o being hurt or killed it is rarely reported on the TS or only makes page 6). To have a person sit on a review board with little or no training, who would have disciplinary powers over a police officer, is a bad idea as far as police officers are concerned.

    Go to the redwood curtain copwatch website and see the type of folks it is feared would immediately apply to be on the “Berkley” style board.

    However, a citizens “advisory” board which advise the chief on their findings would be much more palatable (as long as they’ve had some training in police practices and procedures). These findings could be public and open to scrutiny, but the ultimate decisions would be left to the department head who is hired based on the voters wishes (via the city council).

    Jager was the lesser of 2 “perceived evils” in the line officers mind (plus he would gold no real voting power).

  61. Officer at EPD
    October 17, 2010 at 9:05 pm

    The last line should have read “get no real voting power”. Sorry.

  62. Plain Jane
    October 17, 2010 at 9:17 pm

    A number of the posters on this board did check out that web site, Officer, to watch a video touted as proof of police assault which occurred in the DA’s waiting room. There’s a thread somewhere in the archives. It’s perfectly reasonable to fear giving unreasonable people any sort of authority over police discipline.

  63. Anon
    October 17, 2010 at 9:24 pm

    The best feedback on this blog in some time. Thanks EPD!

  64. Bubba
    October 17, 2010 at 9:43 pm

    I hears that goldang Glass feller has a PonyTail!
    A ponytail!!! I heards it!
    He is jes one a them potsmokin hippies!
    He wont let us tear up the beach! He probly wont let us shoot are gunns in our own homes!
    Hes a terr-ist!

  65. October 17, 2010 at 10:22 pm

    “Officer at EPD says:
    October 17, 2010 at 9:00 pm

    “…

    “However, a citizens “advisory” board which advise the chief on their findings would be much more palatable (as long as they’ve had some training in police practices and procedures). These findings could be public and open to scrutiny, but the ultimate decisions would be left to the department head who is hired based on the voters wishes (via the city council).

    Jager was the lesser of 2 “perceived evils” in the line officers mind (plus he would [get] no real voting power).”

    While WE THE PEOPLE above are clearly in accord relative to the great services POP provides, WE must take respectful exception with your line of reasoning relative to Police Review vis a vis Police Advisory Boards.

    Let me make the argument brief, Officer.

    “Who will guard the guards?”

    Signed,

    Plato, “The Republic”

    “Who will police the police?”

    Signed,

    Professors of Political Philosophy

    For example, then, Sir, surely you agree the District Attorney of Humboldt County should monitor and oversee the capable Police Department. Is that not true?

    Well then, since County district attorneys rarely investigate or prosecute “police brutality,” and since even when convictions are adjudicated, they are often overthrown upon appeal for “socio-political” reasons. Let US be honest, respected and respectful Officer! CORRUPTION is rampant on this planet!!

    Another obvious argument against self-investigation is that it is self-serving. It is clear that a conflict-of-interest exists!

    A personal example will suffice (I promised to make this brief; these neat, lively, and spirited discussions keep me engaged sometimes too long for hours!).

    Once, in Berkeley, I was a victim of FAILURE TO ARREST an assaulter and batterer, resulting in grave bodily injury. I took up the VITAL MATTER with the Berkeley Police Review Board.

    It was a clinical case of FAILURE TO PERFORM ELEMENTARY DUTIES! (and similar charges). The verdict was unanimous, regrettably against the Sergeant.

    I received a letter stating that.

    But two days later, I received another letter, this time from the mayor or chief of police (I can’t remember) OVER-RULING THE UNANIMOUS DECISION?!

    To avoid a clear lawsuit against the City WE THE PEOPLE surmised!??!

    The veto so enraged the head of the Berkeley Police Review Board (A WELL-RESPECTED ATTORNEY) that he immediately resigned, stating it was “as if he were on another planet!”

    The average Citizen, even if physiologically motivated and capable and even if intellectually competent enough to pursue such a troublesome, laborious, and time-consuming matter with the District Attorney, or with a private attorney, is obviously on the wrong end of the see-saw.

    And not just for financial reasons. Attorneys are reluctant to pursue such cases; success is infrequent.

    One attorney expressed it this way, and I am quoting him::— “You think you have a case?! I lost a case where a pregnant woman was belly up on the ground; and the officer stomped the child to death!!”

    I of course had to face reality and cease and desist — given reality.

    You get my point, Officer. The cards are clearly stacked against victimized Citizens.

    The point then is that the Police Review Board affords WE THE PEOPLE a less cumbersome way or procedure of getting righteous grievances addressed. So that a fair hearing is provided and unnecessary pent-up frustrations avoided.

    I am one who nevertheless look upon officers with respect, as heros!

    Thank you kindly for your consideration and cooperation.

    Sincerely,

    WE THE PEOPLE

    PS::— “… (plus he would [get] no real voting power)” [?]. What is the point of the exercise then?

  66. Officer at EPD
    October 17, 2010 at 11:08 pm

    I will only respond once. To asb2525-“nuff said”. Thanks for your response to the differences between a “Berkley style” review board and a “Advisory board”.

    Last post on this thread.

    Officer at EPD

  67. taxed
    October 17, 2010 at 11:27 pm

    The good ole boys have run this place into the ground. It is wrong that this town is overrun by criminal, junkies, homeless and the insane. Larry is the only council person that actually listens to citizens and cares about their quality of life and safety. Larry is working make things better for all of us. But It seems the good ole boys don’t want anybody besides themselves to have a say even if it would make the town safe and prosperous.

  68. Madsen is scary
    October 18, 2010 at 12:38 am

    Thank you, Officer at EPD.

    You are doing the hard work of keeping our town safe. And, holding your head up high, as so many try to rip you down.

    I have nothing but respect for you.

    Keep it up. We are with you!

  69. anon
    October 18, 2010 at 5:57 am

    So Madsen thinks the Chiefs political activities need to be addressed? I think he is looking out for the best interests of his personnel and the safety of the community. He is not required to give up his constitutional rights Mr. Madsen simply because you disagree with his progressive philosophy. It is the 21st century pal.

  70. humboldturtle
    October 18, 2010 at 7:24 am

    Madsen is running unopposed. You get no choice, thanks to Eureka’s ward residency requirements. Ever wonder how the good ol’ boys control Eureka?

  71. Anonymous
    October 18, 2010 at 7:43 am

    ASB2525 – read all the comments from 3:32 to 4:10 on Oct 17 (above) directed at JL (Henchman). The also apply to your incoherent, overly-long posts. I will skip these as well.

  72. Anonymous
    October 18, 2010 at 7:59 am

    Anonymous blogger claims to be EPD officer and slanders candidates and you feature this BS? New lows from Heraldo and the left.

  73. October 18, 2010 at 8:38 am

    “Officer at EPD says:
    October 17, 2010 at 11:08 pm

    “I will only respond once. To asb2525-”nuff said”. Thanks for your response to the differences between a “Berkley style” review board and a “Advisory board”.

    Last post on this thread.

    Officer at EPD”

    The Planet is besieged with pressing problems. From dangerous problems on the street daily. To imminently perilous problems in the world generally.

    From crazed, bitter-at-Society, drugged-up criminals, on the one hand. To sociopathic Conservative Corporate Politicos, on the other hand.

    The latter with their malicious disregard of the environment and destruction of the Middle Class is matched only by the pathological abuse of spouses and willful disregard for the rights of others, by the former.

    To refuse to recognize and address these critical matters constitutes abdication. Or impatient authoritarianism.

    WE THE PEOPLE can no more ignore the imminent extinction of the species on the Planet than WE can pass over British Petroleum’s attempt to hide spilt oil on the sea bed.

    Because the fish will wind up on OUR dining room tables. And with regard to the former, just today in Japan and for the next three days, the United Nations is announcing that the present level of extinction of the species on the planet is matched only by the mass extinction that occurred 65,000,000 years ago, when an asteroid hit Yucatan, MEXICO, causing a nuclear-winter-like drop in temperature, eradicating 90%! of the planet’s species!!

    Before excellent Chief of Police Garr Nielsen came here from Portland, OR in Multnomah County at the well-considered insistence of Councilman Larry Glass, the Mayor, and other members of the Eureka City Council, WE THE PEOPLE had a serious and disturbing problem with police-involved deaths! (The one involving unarmed Mr. Cotton was so egregious, Citizens thought, that mass demonstrations understandably rocked the City; and the Humboldt County Human Rights Commission was charged with the task of reporting to the Supervisors about the nature of the Police Review Board to be installed.)

    But, to prove my statement that the employment of Chief Nielsen resolved the out-of-control problem, PLEASE NOTE that no alarm went through the County after two subsequent police-involved deaths occurred recently. Because, I think, it was obvious that the crazed victims were armed, dangerous, and defiant.

    Thus, the Nielsen-installed changes in the culture of the commendable Eureka Police Department, the discontinuation of the Humboldt County Sheriff Department’s sadistically Q-tipping pepper spray in the eyes of daughters, and the aforementioned absence of questionable police-involved deaths seemed to obviate or alleviate the urgency of the installation of a Police Review Board.

    Finally finally, to prove my point about the irrational dangers of everyday life on Planet Earth, allow me to quote Bobby Dylan::—

    “When you’re lost in Juarez [MEXICO],
    and it’s Eastertime too,

    And your gravity fails you,
    and negativity won’t get you through —

    Don’t put on any airs
    when you’re down on Rue Morgue Avenue —

    They got some hungry drug dealers [women] there,
    and they’ll really make a mess out of you!!”

    Bobby Dylan, “Just Like Tom Thumb’s Blues,” 1965.

    Let us hope, then, that Attorney General Eric Holder will refrain from his short-sighted threat to override the will of WE THE PEOPLE, assuming that Proposition 19 — the decriminalization, legalization, regulation, and taxation of the Peace Pipe — passes. (Surely, as District Attorney Paul Gallegos states, WE THE PEOPLE’s resources and safety can respectively be better allocated and improved, if WE no longer unreasonably — unnecessarily — imprison millions! of non-violent marijuana users, dealers, sons.)

    I trust, Friends, that these respectful words will be received with the same sincerity with which they are intended.

    And thank you again.

  74. October 18, 2010 at 10:12 am

    “Anonymous says:
    October 18, 2010 at 7:43 am

    “ASB2525 – read all the comments from 3:32 to 4:10 on Oct 17 (above) directed at JL (Henchman). The also apply to your incoherent, overly-long posts. I will skip these as well.”

    I agree, ANONYMOUS, my comments are overly long. Indeed, this contributor bemoaned that very fact on October 17th at 10:22 PM, above::—

    “Let me make the argument brief, Officer.”

    and

    “Another obvious argument against self-investigation is that it is self-serving. It is clear that a conflict-of-interest exists!

    A personal example will suffice (I promised to make this brief; these neat, lively, and spirited discussions keep me engaged sometimes too long for hours!).”

    Thank you for your confirmation. I WILL earnestly attempt to indeed be brief.

    Whether are not the comments are incoherent is probably more a reflection of your focus and attention, ANONYMOUS.

    Relative to your skipping my psychological and historical analyses, you know as well as I, ANONYMOUS, I really couldn’t give a hoot!!

    Good reading, Sir!

  75. Reinventing The Wheel
    October 18, 2010 at 2:44 pm

    Next thing you know we’ll return to using “peace officers” as a general reference and return the time-honored patrol car decals: “to serve and protect”.

    Those were the days police were fully funded, they walked a beat, they lived in our neighborhoods, we knew each other.

  76. A-Nony-Mouse
    October 18, 2010 at 2:51 pm

    Looks to me like Henchman is now posting as asb2525. He is certainly every bit as verbose. And this coming from one who is familiar with long posts! Me.

    Larry and Ron are so much more knowledgeable and competent to run this city than Marian and Mike. Don’t waste your time on a Brady Bunch RERUN. We’ve seen that show before and it wasn’t funny then. Why should we expect something different now?. Vote for the candidates who are on our side; Larry, Ron, and Peter.

  77. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    October 18, 2010 at 6:21 pm

    Too funny my hecklers, too funny.

    JL

  78. Reader
    October 18, 2010 at 6:26 pm

    If you find humor it must mean you understand what was written. Your garbled comments don’t give readers the same courtesy, Lytle.

  79. October 18, 2010 at 9:53 pm

    Just curious why the officer wasn’t scolded like little Jeff for not pasting link to his post?

  80. October 18, 2010 at 9:58 pm

    I hate to say it but asb2525 may be worse

  81. October 18, 2010 at 10:27 pm

    Whats da matter SMOKEMONSTER? TRUTH SMELLS? SMOKE STINKS? TRUTH HURTS? TRUTH SPELLS? (stet).

    But hey, Friend! Don’t take ANYTHING I say personally!! I am sure the Officer does not!

    My Friends tell me I am pithy and perceptive — and like a broken clock, right twice a day!!

    Unlike you, SMOKEMASTER, with “A heart full of simple emotions and a head full of equally simple ideas.”

    Signed,

    Richard Hofstader

    Really Friend, don’t be paranoid, and NEVER take ANYTHING I say personally, SMOKEMASTER!!

    Signed,

    Rachel Corrie
    George Orwell
    Julian Assange

  82. Plain Jane
    October 19, 2010 at 4:16 am

    The officer’s post wasn’t a cut and paste of someone else’s work that could be linked, Smokey.

  83. October 19, 2010 at 7:10 am

    It is the same post as on the thread titled ‘Brady and Newman choose zoo over you’ is it not?

  84. October 19, 2010 at 7:15 am

    And2525- it has nothing to do with what you are saying,it is the fact that your writings are a mess of ridiculously jumbled ramblings that I am willing to bet 97.4% of readers skip over,have fun wasting tour time typing and feeling so much smarter than the rest of us.

  85. Plain Jane
    October 19, 2010 at 7:25 am

    Smokey, his post on this thread was first and THEN it was given a thread of its own.

  86. October 19, 2010 at 8:05 am

    Oh,thank you for clarification on timeline. Now I have to wonder about the fox news esque spin from that rant being given the title it was given and more coverage,must have been a slow weekend.

  87. Plain Jane
    October 19, 2010 at 8:10 am

    Because funding of public safety isn’t an important issue?

  88. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    October 19, 2010 at 8:17 am

    Reader,

    too funny too. The nameless and faceless trying to make anything stick negatively. Again, too funny.

    JL

  89. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    October 19, 2010 at 8:18 am

    So,

    how many bloggers have left the Herald? Ah, The Plan is working quite well!

    JL

  90. October 19, 2010 at 8:34 am

    Which leads to a couple of ?’s.

    1. What’s to say someone doesn’t make a screen name ‘C.A.M.P CAPTAIN’ or ‘P.O.P POPO’ etc. Make up claims,post them and have them taken as local law enforcement/political gospel?

    2.Who is naive enough to believe in the ‘war on drugs’? Do any of you truly believe this scourge of evil will be removed from a community? The chances of meth being a non issue ‘within 5 years’ is a joke and setting yourself up for failure and dissapointment. 1 dealer goes down more move up the ladder,it is a viscous never ending cycle,the demand is here and with current joblessness and possibility of more people losing money from prop 19. expect the meth use to get worse,(which the police want to ensure their jobs) retail jobs won’t help just delay the enevitable,this area will sooner be a wasteland than Mayberry. Sorry you moved here thinking you could mold this into your own private sanctuary of holiness,but we are no different nor any better than the rest of our country’s rural areas dealing with meth. Travel around its everywhere and not going anywhere,there would be just as good of a chance removing guns from private citizens as winning this ‘war’

  91. High Finance
    October 19, 2010 at 10:34 am

    Mouse, you sound like a member of the Humb County Democrat Central Committee.

    Have you EVER endorsed a non Democrat or (gasp!) a conservative?

  92. A-Nony-Mouse
    October 19, 2010 at 1:07 pm

    Yep, done both, but I’ve done other things I’m not proud of, too. None of us are perfect!

  93. October 19, 2010 at 2:58 pm

    434.
    asb2525 says:
    October 19, 2010 at 1:43 pm

    SMOKEMASTER, with infinite respect, please allow me to make some observations and offer a recommendation to you.

    1. Forego utilizing ad hominem attacks; instead provide well-reasoned arguments: BECAUSE SUMMARILY DISMISSING and calling well-reasoned analyses “jumbled ramblings” ― WITHOUT providing thoughtful discussion of your own ― is indicative of closed-mindedness.

    2. I am a PARANOID schizophrenic. Therefore, as I said, you should NEVER TAKE ANYTHING I WRITE PERSONALLY. BECAUSE GENERALIZED ANALYSES ARE NOT PERSONAL, STEREOTYPICAL ATTACKS on you, or any other reader.

    3. But now, I do want to offer to you some personal recommendations.

    First, I want to be honest with you, SMOKEMASTER ― I am always honest, Sir.

    When I said:

    You have “A heart full of simple emotions and a head full of equally simple ideas” [Hofstader], I was making an off-the-racket-ball-wall remark ― an intuitive response ― BECAUSE I never read anything you have written, other than the statement:

    “ SMOKEMASTER: I HATE to say it but asb2525 may be worse .“ [Emphasis added.]

    Please let met de-construct the statement-to-response reaction, SMOKEMASTER.

    (a)
    SMOKE = BLACK.
    MASTER = SLAVEHOLDER.

    Therefore, SMOKEMASTER connotes racism.

    (b) Starting the FIRST SENTENCE (or any sentence, for that matter) with “I HATE . . .” is counter to your, my, and the ethical and moral precepts of the liberal Democratic Party and progressive Green Party.

    Indeed, just one of the bumper stickers I obtained at Democratic Party Headquarters and distribute free-of-charge is, “HATE IS NEVER A PART OF FAMILY VALUES!”

    To summarize, Friend, I suggest that you utilize a better connotative tag or nom de plume.

    Also, I accord with ERIC KIRK’S recommendation:

    “Eric Kirk says: [Gallegos/Jackson topic]:
    October 18, 2010 at 11:37 pm

    “[…] you could simply disregard the issue entirely and focus on [the vitally important] other issues of the campaign.” [Brackets added.]

    In this context, WE should focus on substance, not on process.

    Finally, Sir, [I trust I can refrain from calling you “SMOKEMASTER”], I want to repeat what I said earlier, and which I truly mean, BECAUSE I am ALWAYS truthful, Friend:

    I trust that these, and future, words and analyses will be received with the same sincere motivational intentionality with which they are intended.

    Thank you and respectfully yours, Friend.

  94. High Finance
    October 19, 2010 at 4:01 pm

    Yes Mouse, I too have done foolish things. I actually campaigned for & supported liberal candidates.

    Then I grew up.

  95. October 19, 2010 at 4:06 pm

    And2525- I never read any of your posts enough to see you are mentally unstable,not surprised either.

    You should work on your reading comprehension,the name is SMOKE MONSTER, a reference to a character from a sci-fi TV show,now due the world a favor,please go take a long walk in the woods where only your dog comes back

  96. October 19, 2010 at 10:37 pm

    “97.
    SmokeMonster says:
    October 19, 2010 at 4:06 pm

    “And2525- I never read any of your posts enough to see you are mentally unstable,not surprised either.

    “You should work on your reading comprehension,the name is SMOKE MONSTER, a reference to a character from a sci-fi TV show,now due the world a favor,please go take a long walk in the woods where only your dog comes back.”

    ARE YOU THREATENING ME, SIR!!

    TAKE CARE, SIR!!

    You ARE really MEAN-SPIRITED, aren’t you!!

    99% of US are born-good,
    but corrupted by Society.
    [Jean-Jacques Rousseau]

    1% of US are born-bad.

    Which sub-species are you, Lifeform?

    One final comment, Rat!

    I noticed independently that the conventional opinion about societally-caused Houseless people amongst your ilk — and that includes a number of the candidates — is that they are mentally ill, druggies, or JUST WANT to live outside.

    And therefore, you and rat-like-ilk sadistically WANT them to live outside, rather than in converted vacant motels. So your inept solution is “Just leave it up to John ‘Shelter’.”

    Secondly, and independently, my In-Home-Support-Service Care Provider — a GRADUATING Humboldt State University Senior — said to me last week — out of the blue! — that one of your candidates is known for expressing INSENSITIVE OR INHUMANE remarks about Houseless persons on the radio and television, which were repeated during the debates.

    Therefore, I will tell you exactly what I advise my youthful friends. And I will express it as a Pearl Poet.

    DON’T YOU DARE!! BRING BIRTHS ONTO THIS GRAVELY PATHOLOGICAL PLANET, RAT-ILK-LIKE LIFEFORM!!

    Of course, births will occur — as in China, where your ilk is limited to one child, least a fine be imposed upon you.

    Finally, Sir, DON’T YOU DARE!! insult me because of my — or anybody else’s — disability, Lifeform.

    SMOKEMASTER OR SMOKEMONSTER — a distinction with neither relevance nor merit.

    Take care, Sir! Watch out! Be careful! Alert attention! YOU HAVE BEEN EXPOSED!!

    Signed,

    GEORGE OR-WELL
    DOK-TOR SIGMUND FREUD
    ZAGLER AND EVANS

    JULIAN ASSANGE
    AMY GOODMAN
    ASB2525

    PSP [POSTSCRIPT PLUS]::— This psychological analyst is right from the start, is he not,Sir! You are loathe to — genetically incapable of — presenting a rational, well-reasoned argument. Only rat-ilk-like insults, and bellicose ad hominem attacks, ad nauseam, ad infinitum.

    Julian Assange
    Zagler and Evans
    ASB2525, B.S.I.E., B.M., B.A.

  97. Richard "Rick" Khamsi
    October 21, 2010 at 1:47 am

    BACK TO REALITY, Larry Glass spoke at the Tuesday meeting of the Old Town Rotary and participated in a Q&A session afterward.

    If you go to YouTube.com and type in Larry Glass and Rotary, you will get a pleasant surprise: A rational conversation among intelligent people about real problems and potential solutions that we can achieve if we find better ways to work together.

    I suggest going there as a way to heal your heart of some of the anger and bitterness that always takes hold of certain folks during the last weeks of every election cycle.

  98. High Finance
    October 22, 2010 at 10:05 am

    Every time I read asb2525, I feel like my sanity is slipping away.

    I now know what Alice in Wonderland felt like.

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