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Glass speech to supporters

[h/t Rick Khamsi]

  1. Anonymous
    October 21, 2010 at 9:35 am

    Yes! All Glass supporters must go and vote for him on November 3rd. It’s vital that we get that message out.

  2. StraightUp
    October 21, 2010 at 9:45 am

    YOU go vote on November 3rd. The rest of us will have already voted on the 2nd, or before by mail.

  3. Anonymous
    October 21, 2010 at 10:02 am

    I’ll be voting…I’ll cancel out your vote gladly. I would vote for anyone who went up against Glass…anyone, anyTHING.

  4. the reasonable anonymous
    October 21, 2010 at 10:29 am

    “anyone, anyTHING”

    Really?

  5. High Finance
    October 21, 2010 at 10:58 am

    I already voted. Proud to announce I cancelled out all of Plain Jane’s votes!

  6. A-Nony-Mouse
    October 21, 2010 at 12:36 pm

    Ah, but you didn’t get me and I’m voting for Larry, too. Sadly, HiFi’s view of a liveable attractive city is Redding, with no downtown or city center, only a footbridge and Hilltop Big Box central to identify with. I’m still not sure, from driving through Redding, where the people actually live. We have something a little bit different here, whether by design or acident, and it’s special. We don’t have to be like all the others to have a good place to live. HiFi’s version of the 2010 Stooges, a rerun known as the Brady Bunch, would lead us toward a more corporate, less personal community, one that values us only as another source for milking money.
    That’s not the kind of town or the direction I want to see us go. Even HiFi might admit that this is a much more pleasant place to live than the more crowded mall-centered towns to our south.

  7. A-Nony-Mouse
    October 21, 2010 at 12:42 pm

    It should be noted that Brady has had only one capaign issue, the Balloon Track. It must also be emphasized that she has had ABSLUTELY NO INVOLVEMENT in either the EIR or the recent cleanup plan ordered by the court. She just wasn’t there. Now she’s wrapping herself in the cleanup as if she was the sole proponent of such a thing. What a shuck. Her only involvement in city government in any form has been as a member of the Water Rate Committee where she voted FOT doubling the base rate for water, thereby putting the biggest burden on Seniors, low-income people, and people on fixed income. Is this the representation you want on your council?

    Larry insisted the rate structure approved by Brady be revisited and made more fair. Now who really represents you?

  8. A-Nony-Mouse
    October 21, 2010 at 12:42 pm

    That’s “campaign issue” and she still doesn’t have one.

  9. High Finance
    October 21, 2010 at 1:28 pm

    You have the luxury of living on Social Security Mouse. Most people don’t. You can afford to be selfish, it won’t affect your income in any way.

    And yes, it is more pleasant here than in the Bay Area. That is, if you have a good paying job which far too many people here do not.

    Maybe I have more compassion for those people than you do?

    And the water rate issue is a perfect example of what is wrong with Glass. He pandered to a small crowd of people who were complaining about a $8 per month increase. So he votes to put the onus on local businesses, some of whom could see rate increases of thousands of dollars instead.

    Those businesses will need to cut expenses in order to survive. What is the biggest expense they have? People, Mouse, people. So you save $8 per month & somebody else loses their job.

    Compassionate liberal indeed! Sounds pretty damn cold-hearted to me.

  10. Plain Jane
    October 21, 2010 at 1:41 pm

    That presumes that they have an unneeded employee, HiFi, and we know businesses don’t exist to provide jobs but to make profit. You don’t care about the businesses that will go broke with another big box or their employees so stop pretending to have any compassion. All you care about is profit for you and yours at any cost.

  11. Living In Eureka
    October 21, 2010 at 1:53 pm

    I have already voted for Larry. I just couldn’t vote for Lance, so I wrote in Humpty Dumpty! We have had ENOUGH of the Stooges running things around here. Don’t forget Ron Kuhnel. It won’t do any good if we still only have a 3 to 2 vote on the council!

    This city can change, but we need every vote to make it happen. Your vote does count & this city needs to hear from you.

  12. Richard "Rick" Khamsi
    October 21, 2010 at 1:55 pm

    I don’t like the way I used to rant and rave about politics and everything else. Other people didn’t like hearing it either. Eventually I found the only people who could stand to be around me were other ranters and ravers. Every year around election time, I used to get worse.

    Even I cannot stomach the soul-killing name-calling that calls itself the democratic process in our times. I promised myself to disagree with others if necessary, but not to become disagreeable.

    I was impressed with Larry’s speech to his supporters. If a candidate makes a speech and he or she says something hateful, I can switch off my camera and go home. But I was willing to stand and listen to the whole speech and post it to YouTube because this man is talking about the actual possiblities for progress in Eureka.

    Tuesday, Larry spoke with the members of the Old Town Rotary. His remarks and the Q&A afterward are also available on YouTube. They are respectful, intelligent, kind, full of knowledge about how our city can make progress by working with other agencies to find cooperative solutions.

    While you are on YouTube, you can watch Ron Kuhnel, Bonnie Neely, and Peter LaVallee give full voice to their concerns and plans for Eureka.

    I prescribe these videos as antidotes to the incivility that can (if left unchecked) divide and conquer our own community.

  13. Anonymous
    October 21, 2010 at 2:37 pm

    Yeah…like that “incivility” from Larry Glass at an HCDCC meeting where he DEMANDED Richard Marks resign as a moderate community representative in the Democratic Party.

    Larry, You and Ron Kuhnel didn’t vote for Richard in the first place the voters did-it wasn’t your place to ask him to resign oh and be replaced by Linda Atkins! Bullshit.

  14. October 21, 2010 at 6:04 pm

    “Proud to announce I cancelled out all of Plain Jane’s votes!”
    Honestly, I’m glad that HiFi still posts here.

    “Sadly, HiFi’s view of a liveable attractive city is Redding…”
    I’m glad that A-Nony-Mouse posts here too.

  15. skippy
    October 21, 2010 at 7:09 pm

    I like Plain Jane’s comments.
    I like Hi-Fi’s comments.

    Perhaps their votes cancel out one another but their opinions are quite complementary along different lines of thought and reason.

  16. SillyYOU
    October 21, 2010 at 9:36 pm

    Even if it was demanded that Richard Marks resign. He in the end chose to himself. Plain and simple.

  17. maciebing
    October 21, 2010 at 10:03 pm

    Youre right SillyYOU, Richard caved to mob mentality! His friends and supporters have been kicking themselves ever since for not being there to support him (he isnt a great one for calling his posse when he needs backup). But guess what, Larry loses votes, he teaches moderates never to go out alone from now on, we pick candidates to fight back etc etc. I hope you you go down hard Larry. See you at the polls.

  18. maciebing
    October 21, 2010 at 10:04 pm

    btw I can sign my own name to that…

    ~mary shively boughton

  19. The Monitor
    October 21, 2010 at 10:30 pm

    Believe me, social security is not a luxury hifi. It is a ground floor basic to all the seniors I know, including myself. At 70 I still have to work part time to make ends meet. I have owned my own business for well over 30 years and saved every year toward retirement and had half of that wiped out by the 2008 crash.
    The current city staff recommendation is for water rates to double in five years. For me that would amount to a monthly average increase of $45. That is $540 a year, not a small amount for seniors on a fixed income. Restaurants would be hit very hard as they are heavy water users. I know one eatery in Old Town that pays about $2500/mo. now. That night out is going to cost a lot more. So where is the compassion?

  20. Anonymous
    October 21, 2010 at 10:33 pm

    Monitor we are paying now for the mistakes of past city councils not keeping an adequate fund in reserve, now we’re spending emergency funds to cover a budget deficit…it gets worser and worser

  21. 06em
    October 22, 2010 at 8:01 am

    Is anyone else having trouble with the audio to this video? I even followed the link to youtube and heard mostly what sounds like digital noise cancellation dreck and Larry’s voice way, way down in the background. It reminds me of the extraneous noises I hear when my brother calls me on his so-called smart phone.

    And, by the way, I’m voting for Larry and Peter and Ron and Paul and Bonnie and Mari because they are (in each race) the candidates that understand the world isn’t black and white and try to see all the possibilities. And many people I know (in Eureka) are voting like me. We’re sick of the bs slogans and the mile-wide but centimeter deep rhetoric.

    May Aqua Buddha help us if we end up with Jackson in charge of prosecutions in this county.

  22. High Finance
    October 22, 2010 at 10:02 am

    Emergency funds are there to spend in an emergency. A budget emergency is what we are in.

    And Monitor, from what I have been told, home residential rates are not going up $45 per month right away but over a five year period. That is a rate of increase of only $9 per month, per year.

    I understand that is hard for people on a limited fixed income, but harder still is the businesses that will now have astronomical rate increases instead. Harder still are the people who will lose their jobs over this.

    And Jane, the way that it works is this. Using Monitor’s restaurant as an example, if the restaurant has a water bill increase of $1,500 per month they have no choice but to pass the increase on if they want to stay in business. They must raise their prices which will result in fewer customers which will result in fewer waiters & busboys.

    Gee 06em, I am really shocked at your choices. I would hardly have guessed those were the people you were supporting. Next you’ll flabbergast all of us by announcing you are also voting for Jerry Brown & Barbara Boxer !!

  23. A-Nony-Mouse
    October 22, 2010 at 7:46 pm

    You missed again, HiFi. The proposed water rates would have put all the ‘fixed costs’ into the base rate, causing it to at least double within 5 years. The base rate is that payed by all users including seniors, fixed income, and low income people. The ‘flow rate, cost per unit of water over a very modest amount included in the base rate, would DECREASE over time. That means those who conserve or otherwise use little water would pay the largest increase while those that use the most, or even waste water casually, would see a large savings. That’s not right. Large users should pay more of the fixed costs because they put the greatest demand on the system. Yes, water rates will go up. The water is going to cost more because, among other reasons, the pulp mills have closed and the water district still has bonds to pay for that system. But the increases should be fair and based on benefit from the system. Seniors and fixed income people, along with those that choose to conserve water should not be penalized. I hope we’ll see something better than the rate structure approved by Brady as a member of the water rate committee.
    Come on, HiFi. Even you can use common sense and maybe even a teeny tiny touch of compassion.

    And, out of curiousity, what makes you think I live on Social Security. If that were the case, I’d probably be under the bridge with the rest of the homeless. And even if it was true, hell I EARNED it. It was no gift!!! So count your unearned capital gains and quit being such a moralistic snob. Jerk!

  24. Paulgallegosturtle
    October 22, 2010 at 7:48 pm

    …the Mouse that roared.

  25. Paulgallegosturtle
    October 22, 2010 at 7:49 pm

    maciebingdingdong…

  26. Paulgallegosturtle
    October 22, 2010 at 7:50 pm

    Richard Marks is flat-out predicting a Bass win. What does it mean, Mommy?

  27. The Monitor
    October 22, 2010 at 9:34 pm

    Richard Marks fancy’s himself as a seer.

  28. The Monitor
    October 22, 2010 at 9:43 pm

    The real point of the water increases is they are way to high for this community to absorb. Five years is just around the corner and I see very little to encourage me that more money is coming our way, retail sales, increases in social security, investment returns, industry moving here. It is not a pretty picture and the common guy takes it in the shorts. So why double the rates, just so we can build the Marten slough interceptor for Forster-Gil?

  29. High Finance
    October 23, 2010 at 8:50 am

    Social Security or a government pension Mouse, same difference.

    The point is your lack of concern for jobs for the rest of us exposes you as a retired person.

    So now you’ll save your $9 per month but Joe Smith & Juan Rodriquez will lose their jobs. Hope you’re happy.

  30. BS Detector
    October 23, 2010 at 8:56 am

    Pay no attention to that man behind curtain.

  31. Plain Jane
    October 23, 2010 at 12:55 pm

    When the people who voted for the policies of unfunded tax cuts, unnecessary and unfunded wars, off shoring of jobs, financial deregulation and corporate corruption of our government, all of which contributed directly to the economic crisis and cost the jobs of millions of people, crow about the killing they are making on the backs of the people the policies they supported destroyed, then have the unmitigated audacity to complain that retired people don’t care about jobs, it’s enough to make you scream. Blaming the politicians whose policies wrecked the economy, but not the people who put them there and supported those policies, ESPECIALLY those who STILL support those policies like the poster just above, is crazy. I understand why the greedy support such policies that hurt most people but benefit themselves, but that doesn’t excuse them or their exploitation of other people’s misfortune which they helped, with their votes, to create.

  32. High Finance
    October 23, 2010 at 1:09 pm

    Yes, what audacity I have to “complain” about a retired person who doesn’t care about jobs.

    Why I should be tarred & feathered!

    Talk about crazy ……. I am not sure what the war in Afghanistan & Iraq have to do with water rates in little old Eureka, but I’m sure that rant made sense to Plain Jane.

  33. Anonymous
    October 23, 2010 at 1:21 pm

    Mouse may be retired, and HiFi may be on commission.

  34. Plain Jane
    October 23, 2010 at 1:25 pm

    It’s a generalized rant based on your posts over the last few days, HiFi. YOU said retired people don’t care about jobs. I was just pointing out that YOU have proven the only job you care about is your own by the policies and politicians you support. If you don’t understand what the wars, tax cuts and financial deregulations have to do with the economic crisis and what that has to do with jobs and, yes, the price of water in Eureka, you are undoubtedly too ignorant to ever understand anything outside your own very narrow and selfish interests.

  35. Mary Shively Boughton
    October 23, 2010 at 1:30 pm

    In the recent primary, registered Democrats elected Richard Marks to represent them on the HCDCC. 1,585 votes for Richard Marks, more votes than any other person running for either Central Committee! Why was Richard so popular? Richard believes in an open process for discussing the issues, meetings open to the public, and promoting Democratic candidates for office in Humboldt County.

    This is the same HCDCC that wasn’t there to support Richard running for office against Bonnie Neely.

    At an HCDCC this month during Guest Comments, Larry Glass spoke angrily to the committee over Marian Brady mailers that he felt deceitful in nature when they stated Democrats supported Marian Brady! Sure the HCDCC hadn’t endorsed Marian but there are Plenty of Democrats who do plan to vote for her-look at her endorsements. He reached over, threw them on the executive board table, said that all the mailers had one thing in common: Richard Marks! He gave a speech validating his claims without people from the committee looking at or reading the mailers. “Why is the committee not accepting his resignation?” “Why is he allowed to still serve?”

    Richard Marks did not serve at the pleasure of the executive committee, he was elected by an overwhelming majority of Democrats in Humboldt County. Quite a few registered Democrats support Mike Newman, Marian Brady, Virginia Bass and Allison Jackson and we deserve representation at the HCDCC. Larry Glass, Andrew Bird and Ron Kuhnel couldn’t wait for the vote November 2.

    ‘Politicians’ who meet behind closed doors and close meetings to the public might need to have a few new bylaws thrown at them….I think censuring would be appropriate.

  36. Plain Jane
    October 23, 2010 at 1:39 pm

    The fact is, Mary, the HCDCC voted to support Glass, not Brady, so your minority opinions don’t matter. HCDCC didn’t “fire” Marks, he resigned over the criticism that he was involved in misleading voters to believe that HCDCC supported Brady. Your sense of outrage is misplaced. You should be bitching at Marks for resigning after you voted for him. Complaining that the minority view isn’t represented in endorsements is pretty funny. Individuals can endorse anyone they want, organizations endorse the candidate who had the most votes. If you don’t like what the majority of HCDCC votes for, you don’t have to belong.

  37. Mary Shively Boughton
    October 23, 2010 at 1:46 pm

    Jane, since “Individuals can endorse anyone they want” especially in a NON partisan race for city council…Richard was fine supporting the candidacy of Brady and Newman for council. I don’t believe Richard or anyone said HCDCC endorsed either candidate. That was a lynch mob pure and simple.

    Yeah I’m outraged. It remains to be seen Nov 2 who is in the “Minority”.

  38. Andrew Bird
    October 23, 2010 at 1:48 pm

    I don’t even know Mary Shively Boughton, yet she presumes to speak for me. If you want know what I am about, Mary, why don’t you call me. I’m in the book. I wish I know what closed meetings you are talking about. I’m not in a position to close any public meetings.

  39. Plain Jane
    October 23, 2010 at 1:57 pm

    The fact remains that Marks RESIGNED, Mary. No one forced him out. Pretending that the use of “Democrats endorse Brady” wasn’t intended to mislead voters about who the HCDCC actually endorsed is incredible (meaning not credible). Individuals who happen to be Democrats may have endorsed Brady, but that isn’t Democrats who are represented by the HCDCC. Being a minority view in an organization isn’t much fun, but expecting it to be treated like the majority view is ludicrous. You sound like you might fit better in the tea party than the Democratic party.

  40. Andrew Bird
    October 23, 2010 at 2:04 pm

    One more thing, Mary. The HCDCC member who made the motion to accept Richard’s resignation supports Allison Jackson. At least two other HCDCC members who voted to accept Richard’s resignation support Allison Jackson.

  41. High Finance
    October 23, 2010 at 2:09 pm

    Plain Jane, 1.25pm. Is english your first language or are you deliberatly lying about what I said? I referred to only ONE retired person you twit.

    BTW, YOUR politicians also voted for those two wars. Tax cuts CREATE jobs (as JFK recognized), I do not support “off shoring of jobs” but understand why businesses do it, YOUR politicians were neck deep in forcing banks to give mortgages to unqualified people which started this whole mess and I am afraid you understand nothing & nobody.

    Anybody who believes Richard Marks voluntarily resigned is deaf, dumb & blind. He was forced to resign by the pressure brought by Jane’s friends. It was a night that had nothing to do with democracy & everything to do with mob rule.

  42. Plain Jane
    October 23, 2010 at 2:19 pm

    You just demonstrate your ignorance with every post, HiFi. Cutting taxes from 90% to 70% in a growing economy is not the same as cutting them from 50% to 38% in a stagnating economy with increasingly more jobs being offshored as you wage 2 wars. But using YOUR logic, raising taxes from 25% to 63% in 1935 and again to 79% in 1943, again to 82% in 1942 ended the depression so we should raise the top rates to 82% to fix the economy, not the couple of percent you idiots are whining about.

  43. Plain Jane
    October 23, 2010 at 2:25 pm

    And repeating the big lie that banks were forced to give loans to unqualified people is never going to make it true. Over 85% of the mortgages which fueled and then popped the housing market were offered by mortgage companies unconnected to any government loan programs and were allowed by the deregulations YOUR party pushed and the greed which fueled the credit swap default scam was encouraged by the low tax rates which YOUR party passed as well as the offshored jobs, stagnating working class wages and subsequent economic crash.

  44. Anonymous
    October 23, 2010 at 2:25 pm

    Flat Tax is the answer to all our troubles.

  45. Percival Ne'er-do-well Esquire III
    October 23, 2010 at 2:33 pm

    Just wondring Boughton, you the same flaming nutcase that lived out in McCann a few years back?

  46. Anonymous
    October 23, 2010 at 2:42 pm

    Nah she didnt become a Nutcase til she moved to Eureka…Humboldt County Elections said she didn’t have a discernable property address trying to re register with her parcel number on McClellan Mountain-that was past Bridgevile, Ne’er-do-well.

  47. Percival Ne'er-do-well Esquire III
    October 23, 2010 at 4:06 pm

    Sorry, different nut case.

  48. Anonymous
    October 23, 2010 at 5:19 pm

    Googled her Mary Shively Boughton isn’t nutty imo

  49. A-Nony-Mouse
    October 23, 2010 at 6:37 pm

    Sorry to take so long getting back to you, HiFi. I had WORK to do. Unlike you, who gets to loll by your computer all day, spending your unearned capital gains.
    You damn betcha I care about jobs. I care about jobs at Piersons or Shafers or Myrtletown Lumber. I care about painters and carpet installers and all the people currently employed here that would be directly threatened by a Home Depot. I care that people can find a job that pays enough to live on without government assistance. Light industrial jobs do that. Big box retail does NOT. So who cares about what? You pompous ass, as long as it had a check attached, you snap like a hungry trout and devil take the hindmost.
    The reason sales tax to the city is down is not a lack of retail. It is a lack of money in our economy. You’d have us build more corporate monstrosities that take even MORE money OUT of our economy and send it to HQ. You think money will magically appear to be spent at all these new big boxes as well as local stores. I agree with earlier posts who think you’ve just smoked a FAT ONE! Puff on, money boy.

  50. The Monitor
    October 23, 2010 at 7:12 pm

    You got it exactly on the money Mouse. There is an economic reality that he is blinded to. With 10% unemployment, sales are down, Lending is frozen except to the few over qualifiers. home sales are down, foreclosures are high. “There are people behind the money eight ball but Hifi doesn’t see. A mega lumber yard/hardware would be a death blow to many local jobs. There is a finite amount of money spent in Humboldt County every year. It goes up and down a bit with the economy but is realitively stable. So when a giant like Home Depot comes to town, where does magic money come from to keep new and old businesses alive? Jobs are lost. There is no other conclusion that a sane man can come to. The new Home Depot jobs will being paying less, which will be about right for less skilled entry level employees.
    What is needed to make our local economy healthy are manufacturing jobs, an industrial park has been talked about for years but no action. Meanwhile Arcata moves ahead with this concept as part of their town planning. HIFI will never get it, destined to remain our closed minded pen pal.

  51. Anonymous
    October 23, 2010 at 9:54 pm

    Googling mary shively boughton may not reveal a nut case. You should have googled macie bing before she locked down her lunatic online journal. She is, indeed, a total nutcase.

  52. Walt
    October 24, 2010 at 8:36 am

    In England they were talking about half a million government jobs being lost. Where would those out of work go then, the conservatives were asked. The private sector. And that’s what this is all about: the corporatization of the world is about lowering wages and lowering taxes so the rich can get richer. . .on the backs of the poor. What HiFi and friends don’t get is that, if the poor don’t have money, they don’t buy houses, monster cars, pharma drugs or health care. Then the misery starts to trickle up. Bad for the country, but good for the rich, since most of their money is in gold, and buying NOTHING.

  53. insider
    October 24, 2010 at 8:51 am

    Mary Shively Boughton (aka “Macie Bing”) is indeed a few pints short of a gallon. She is well know for her ranting and raving. Her husband Gary Boughton has worked as an Engineer for the city for many years, his wife’s antics are well know to all at City Hall. Mrs. Boughton is very good friends with the equaly “charming and sweet” Marian Brady.
    Folks, if you see these two coming your direction all I can say is ……hide or run!

  54. Ruth
    October 24, 2010 at 9:09 am

    When Ms Boughton showed me her blog stats last night we agreed to name Anon 9:54 ‘Mike’ who carries a grudge a looong time. Mary busted him once for selling out when the committe they both served had decided Police Review should be a Commission with subpoena power. He wrote an opinion watering that down to ‘committee’. Get over it Mike, she’s married.

  55. Anonymous
    October 24, 2010 at 9:18 am

    Some people.

  56. Anonymous
    October 24, 2010 at 11:22 am

    Yeah, sure Mary – I mean Ruth.

  57. High Finance
    October 25, 2010 at 5:32 pm

    Mouse, 6.37pm on the 23rd.

    What you fail to understand Mouse, is that the Home Depot employees make the same as most of the Pierson employees. Some of the Pierson department managers (a small number) might make more than some of the HD managers, but not all.

    But try to think beyond stereotypes. If HD has to hire 125 employees or so, do you seriously think that Pierson’s will have to layoff 125? Of course not. The overall employment will rise, not hold steady.

    And you are not fooling anybody anymore with your claim that you were busy working. You are a retired government worker. You have been BUSTED!

  58. humboldturtle
    October 25, 2010 at 5:49 pm

    …and you, on commission. What a mess.

  59. High Finance
    October 25, 2010 at 6:12 pm

    I’m sure that made sense to you Turtle. Care to explain?

  60. humboldturtle
    October 25, 2010 at 6:50 pm

    Sorry, thinking out lout. I mean, loud.

  61. humboldturtle
    October 25, 2010 at 6:52 pm

    You always go for the money, HiFi. Like you have a piece of the action or something.

    Capital Gains should be taxed as regular income.

  62. The Monitor
    October 25, 2010 at 7:24 pm

    Where are the 1000 new jobs created at the MC going to come from? That is about as fuzzy a figure as I have ever heard. If an operation as big as Piersons only has 100 employees, where are all these new people going to work? There are fewer jobs at the mall than what MC purports to create. I don’t get it. They must be expecting an army of weed pullers and shelf dusters. We are getting a snow job on this whole project.

  63. tenth street dream
    October 25, 2010 at 7:34 pm

    HiFi, where did you get your economics education? It must have been at the Univ. of Bolivia or some other world renowned business institution. I’ll bet you now sit on the board of that auspicious school of learning.
    You arguments would have a hard time in a freshman economics debate. Time to join the real world, old boy.

  64. High Finance
    October 25, 2010 at 9:17 pm

    Who do you think you just impressed Dreamer?

    If you had any confidence in your argument or facts you wouldn’t have to resort to empty insults.

    The simple & plain, straight truth is that while some local jobs will be lost if Home Depot opened is doors, the loss is not 1 – 1. In other words if Home Depot hired 125 workers, maybe half that number or even less would be laid off at other places. Hank Pierson would still need most of his employees, Shafers will still need most of theirs.

    Your complete & total lack of experience running a business causes you & Turtle to make bad assumptions.

    And Monitor, I agree that 1,000 new jobs is probably an exaggeration. But once again I have to remind you that HD is only one part of the total development planned. There will be other shops, stores and offices throughout the project.

  65. Plain Jane
    October 25, 2010 at 10:27 pm

    Every study ever done shows 1.4 jobs lost for every one created by a big box, HiFi. It’s basic economics. No new money + more money leaving the area back to headquarters = fewer jobs at lower pay. No matter how many times you Arkleymart cheerleaders spout the new jobs lie, it still won’t be true and not one of you have ever provided a single piece of evidence to support your claims, whereas the anti-big box people have supplied links to studies done all over the country with the same results.

  66. High Finance
    October 26, 2010 at 9:14 am

    Sorry Plain Jane, that just doesn’t make mathematical sense.

  67. Plain Jane
    October 26, 2010 at 9:32 am

    You’re hopeless, HiFi.

  68. anonymous
    October 26, 2010 at 9:47 am

    Still..it might be nice to capture some of the Home Depot money that escapes our sales tax in Redding, Crescent City and other Home Depots where Humboldt County shops online.

    Neither Shafers nor Piersons will go out of business, some long time employees will be better paid as management at Home Depot. Its more likely Pierson is pissed about looking bad as a boss (he doesnt pay much).

  69. anonymous
    October 26, 2010 at 9:49 am

    This does not apply to Shafers imo, Shafer’s pays decent wages!

  70. tenth street dream
    October 26, 2010 at 9:57 am

    Got your attention. Your comments fly in the face of many studies, many books on the subject. There is so much information out there, it just amazes me that you cling to a big box concept to solve our economic problems. I watched big boxes destroy the business district in my home town. They changed the local economy from local ownership, with kids took over when their parents retired, where the young could afford to buy a house,to the kids moving to where jobs were available at more that minimum wage. This is not a way to bring a community into economic health. Yes Jane, he is hopeless. Calling a spade a spade is not an insult. Buck up and try reality for a change.

  71. The Monitor
    October 26, 2010 at 10:01 am

    Many of the shops and offices will not be new business, but just moving an existing local business to the new space. For instance, SN will be moving their operation from downtown to a new office space in the complex. No net gain in jobs and a loss for downtown.

  72. insider
    October 26, 2010 at 10:06 am

    High Finance says:
    October 26, 2010 at 9:14 am
    Sorry Plain Jane, that just doesn’t make mathematical sense.

    Don’t hire this guy to do your books!

  73. High Finance
    October 26, 2010 at 11:27 am

    You are only guessing Monitor.

  74. Anonymous
    October 26, 2010 at 1:20 pm

    Speaking of economics, Forbes magazine this month talks about the Albanian economy coming back. It’s very interesting how they did it, claiming to have followed “Reaganomics” principles. The biggest deal was incredible increase in commerce.

  75. The Monitor
    October 26, 2010 at 1:52 pm

    Actually Randy Ganns said they would move their SN operation to the new office building they are going to build on the site. Not a guess, just repeating what they said.

  76. A-Nony-Mouse
    October 26, 2010 at 4:12 pm

    “recapture” is a misnomer. If you have to resort to out-of-town corporations to do that recapture, you lose more money through export to corporate HQ than you’ll ever gain through recapture. That is no trade.
    And if Pierson’s pays so poorly, why does it have so many long-term employees? Many of them have made a whole career there and seem to be thriving. Hmmmm?

  77. High Finance
    October 26, 2010 at 4:40 pm

    Are there that many Mouse? Other than the department managers how many long term employees of the ordinary jobs?

    Where are you getting that information from? What are the average number of years that HD has in its management staff?

    You have no information or facts to back up your claim.

  78. Plain Jane
    October 26, 2010 at 5:00 pm

    He has supplied more facts than you have, HiFi. All you ever post is unsupported claims.

  79. Plain Jane
    October 26, 2010 at 5:31 pm

    HD employee complaints

    link

    More HD employee complaints

    link

  80. Anonymous
    October 26, 2010 at 11:37 pm

    Quoting Hi Fi:
    Anybody who believes Richard Marks voluntarily resigned is deaf, dumb & blind. He was forced to resign by the pressure brought by Jane’s friends. It was a night that had nothing to do with democracy & everything to do with mob rule.

    Since he was not at the meeting and is thus ASSuming what happened, it would be a safe bet to say that he has his ears and eyes closed but his mouth open…AGAIN.

    Richard offered his resignation more than once, and long before the meeting at which it was accepted.

    Since the majority of the Committee wanted it, and a large number of members had requested it at the prior meeting, it was hardly a surprise to anyone actually informed about the issue.

  81. Anonymous
    October 26, 2010 at 11:39 pm

    One more thing, you “fiscal conservative” poseur:

    The politicians weren’t “neck deep” in forcing banks to robo-sign mortgages that for people who weren’t qualified, nor did they force those bank and mortgage co. employees to falsify data in order to expedite approvals that resulted in asymmetric information reaching the agencies meant to be regulating these financial behemoths. This led to the predictable melt down that was foretold by experts such as Nobel Prize Winner in Economics, Paul Krugman. Although none of us expects you to be as smart as Krugman, Hi Fi, is it really too much to ask that you engage your mind a little bit before you start typing???

  82. Anonymous
    October 27, 2010 at 7:04 am

    I would like to take a moment, just to say

    It’s Larry Glass’s Birthday Today!

    Happy Birthday, dude!

  83. sam crow
    October 27, 2010 at 7:41 am

    Dude!

  84. October 27, 2010 at 7:44 am

    Happy Birthday, Larry!

  85. Anonymous
    October 27, 2010 at 7:48 am

    Dear Larry, may all my birthday wishes for you come true.

  86. anonymous
    October 27, 2010 at 8:07 am

    I wish you a happy retirement from Eureka City Council…Happy Birthday Larry!!

  87. High Finance
    October 27, 2010 at 9:34 am

    The robo signing “scandal” was a violation of procedures and not of foreclosing of mortgages that should not have been foreclosed on.

    Even the liberal Mort Zuckerman on the McLauglin Report last Friday said it was no scandal.

    But the politicians were the ones who started all this mess by forcing banks to give loans to non qualified people. So 11.39pm, instead of jumping to preconcieved biases against the “evil” banks & corporations, perhaps you should try to be more objective.

  88. Plain Jane
    October 27, 2010 at 9:48 am

    You keep repeating that repeatedly refuted lie, HiFi. Now post a source that supports your claim or admit you are just spewing Faux Noise BS.

  89. Plain Jane
    October 27, 2010 at 9:59 am
  90. tra
    October 27, 2010 at 10:05 am

    I think it’s safe to say that more than one factor contributed to the recent financial meltdown. I haven’t seen the evidence behind the claims that the major cause of the meltdown was government action “forcing the banks to give loans to non qualified people.”

    I suspect that the recent financial crisis can be attributed, in part, to a mix of avarice on the part of banks and Wall Street, poor decisions by consumers who were convinced that real estate prices were in a permanent upward spiral, and government inaction, due to a previous round of de-regulation.

  91. Plain Jane
    October 27, 2010 at 10:10 am

    That’s because there is no evidence, TRA. The frightwingers keep making that claim based on the CRA but nothing in CRA forced anyone to give loans to unqualified people. It just prevented them from racist redlining of neighborhoods. Anyone with any real interest in what caused the crisis knows it was the deregulation which increased the size of the mortgage supply and ALLOWED the predatory and adjustable rate mortgages

  92. Plain Jane
    October 27, 2010 at 10:12 am

    That wasn’t support to post yet. :(

    to be given out without danger of the issuing party taking a loss because they bundled and sold them to unsuspecting investors. There was no force to do so. It was very profitable while it expanded the bubble and when it popped WE got the bill.

  93. Plain Jane
    October 27, 2010 at 10:13 am

    I’ve posted 3 links to factual information about the crisis, but it is in moderation.

  94. longwind
    October 27, 2010 at 10:14 am

    tra, that charge is based on Clinton’s pressure to liberalize all lending (unregulated frauds are easier to perpetrate), followed by Jr Bush’s ‘ownership society’ where workers were scripted to become stockholders and homeowners, so their brains would melt, and no one would vote for public interests anymore.

    Bush deserves the lion’s share of blame here for incentivizing home loans to low-income, unqualified victims. In their defense, the loan sharks were under government orders to victimize the poor. But they weren’t specifically ordered to ignore the laws, they made that part up themselves.

  95. High Finance
    October 27, 2010 at 11:06 am

    The Democrats, Bush and the banks are all guilty to one degree or another for this. I don’t know why PJ keeps wanting to excuse the politicians for their role in this.

  96. Plain Jane
  97. Plain Jane
  98. Plain Jane
    October 27, 2010 at 11:14 am

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fannie_Mae

    And you still have never posted anything to support your false charges that it was banks forced to give loans to unqualified people who caused the melt down.

    The fault of the government was that it ALLOWED the banks to lower their standards, give loans to anyone who applied and then sell them to others to take the risk. They never forced a single bank to give a loan to anyone who was unqualified and CRA certainly didn’t do that.

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