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Sacramento News on Humboldt and Prop. 19

  1. Anonymous
    October 23, 2010 at 7:42 am

    In related news…this was on PBS

    California to Let Voters Decide on Marijuana Legalization

  2. Anonymous
    October 23, 2010 at 7:47 am
  3. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    October 23, 2010 at 8:23 am

    Well done documentary per se.

    I heard Fox News’s Bill O’Reilly mentioned Humboldt’s mj too – he was said to be unimpressed and implying that the world’s problems are all drugs……

    O’Reilly is a relgious right wing whack job boob when his idealogues show.

    Anyhow, the mj issue is still skewed toward growers and profit for greed, regardless of medicinal use or recreational uses upon the users who are forking over too much cash for some simple tobacco.

    I say let the market prices crash on mj – a less pricey mj is better for everyone for whom greed has not over-taken. MJ is also super-inflated like the real-estate market. Besides, more growers is better than more buyers because then one who smokes need not over-spend on someone else’s profit marginalizations that subsidize vicey life-styles.

    Society is in a hurtin’ for certain mode with costs, valuations and greed!

    Jeffrey Lytle
    McKinleyville – 5th District

  4. High Finance
    October 23, 2010 at 9:35 am

    Is increased pot consumption a good thing for society?
    Never mind the politics, is increased consumption of any drug (including abuse of alcohol) and escaping from rather than engaging in reality a good thing?

    Most people say no.

    Well what does General Mills do when they want to sell more Sugar Pops cereal? They lower the price & make it easier to get & socially acceptable to eat. Keeping Pot, Heroin, Cocaine prices high, hard to get and socially unacceptable (in most circles) dampens demand. Make it legal & use of them would skyrocket.

  5. hi as !@#$'n fi
    October 23, 2010 at 9:54 am

    yo- hi-fin,

    what happened to letting the market decide all issues?

    If alcohol is a societal negative (a fact proven over and over, including the fact that booze is far more costly to society and damaging to individuals than weed), then perhaps a little prohibition would solve the problem.

    Wait! we tried that with booze and it didn’t work. In fact, it failed spectacularly while spurring the growth of organized crime to astronomical levels. It has not worked for other drugs either. Maybe we should get off this insane merry-go-round we have been on for decades and address drug abuse issues of all kinds as medical issues and not as crimes. That way we can concentrate on real crimes. and if a real crime is precipitated due to an addiction problem, then we can punish the perpetrator for the crime AND use the opportunity to treat the addiction. This is common sense.

    BTW, I actually agree that engaging with reality is a superior approach to living life– perhaps hi-fin should give it a whirl.

    why is it that so called “conservatives” are all about “freedom” but their version only includes the freedom to conform to their narrow definition of acceptable. typical hypocrisy.

    “The solution to big government is not personal freedom, it is personal responsibility.”

  6. tra
    October 23, 2010 at 9:54 am

    Make it legal & use of them would skyrocket.

    Is there any evidence to back up that assertion? I doubt it.

  7. Walt
    October 23, 2010 at 9:57 am

    All you need to know is that prohibition has failed miserably.

  8. JJ
    October 23, 2010 at 10:13 am

    Is increased pot consumption good for society?

    If we go down this line of thinking we have to decide how we discourage negative behaviors, and which behaviors are negative. I think sugar and white flour are bad. I think too much time watching television is bad (biggest escape from reality we have, no drugs required). I think the business bottom line is not in line with our family values, and this is not good. I think the US culture is way too into sports and celebrities. My point being that in this free society, and while we can all have opinions on what is good or bad, we have to be very careful about what we make illegal and punish people for. I’m not ready to start legislating all of my morals on other people. I think we can agree on some major ones, like no stealing or killing. We’ll have to work out some of the subtler ones like which recreational drugs we’ll allow: cigarettes, booze, pot, coffee…

    I don’t think we need more wasted stoners. But it probably wouldn’t be a bad thing for some drinkers to have a mellower alternative. Kind of the all things in moderation approach. Smoking pot definitely offers an alternative mindset that can be helpful to relieve stress and process emotions. Why am I discriminated against, threatened with jail, just because I’d rather smoke some pot than get drunk? Seems a little arbitrary.

    I don’t think pot consumption would really increase with legalization. Some people would smoke more with the availability, some less without the rebel outlaw factor. I do believe the price would decrease, and without the cash and black market factors the violence would almost disappear. Except for the occasional store robbery, just like liquor stores and gas stations that occasionally get robbed.

    I think having an alternative to alcohol and eliminating the criminal black market factor would be worth have a few more people smoking marijuana.

    JJ

  9. Mitch
    October 23, 2010 at 10:20 am

    Once pot is legalized, it should be offered at no charge in every state prison. The prisoners can grow it themselves. Then we can cut the guard staffs by 2/3 and use the savings to fully fund education. The remaining guards will be much safer.

  10. tra
    October 23, 2010 at 10:20 am

    Well said, JJ. I especially like your point about television viewing, which I agree is probably the biggest “escape from reality” practiced by Americans. Nevertheless I would certainly not advocate television prohibition any more than I would advocate alcohol prohibition or cannabis prohibition.

  11. October 23, 2010 at 10:36 am

    Mania exists when speaking of the marijuana market in its current form. Currently, marijuana connoisseurs go to great lengths attempting to obtain a good product. The buyer has no purchasing power today as buyers are at the mercy of the suppliers, the middlemen are at the mercy of their distributors, and so on.

    Artificial prices lead to false demand. For instance, there is a high demand for indoor kush which is casually sprayed with Floramite and copper sulfate. Fewer buyers would favor chemically-treated flowers in a legitimized marijuana market.

    People will continue to use marijuana regardless of this initiative. The Bill O’Reillys of the world will never support changing the dynamics of the marijuana market due to their support base being incompetent with regard to the subject. As the people who do not understand the ramifications of prohibition become non-voters via heart disease and stroke, the tides will surely turn.

  12. Funnygirl
    October 23, 2010 at 12:23 pm

    In the early 1970’s Denmark legalized pornography. It was only magazines at that time. Sales skyrocketed for 3 years, and then fell off the chart. Everyone wanted to see what the fuss was all about and then said, big deal. The same will happen if marijuana is leaglized. Those who refrained before will jump on it, then say, big deal, I can live without it.

  13. Harold h. Greene
    October 23, 2010 at 12:26 pm

    “is increased pot consumption a good thing for society?”

    Is the lack of it worse ?

    Marijuana, being what it is to Human history, never caused harm before the United States made it illegal because it was thought to make white woman wanna sleep with black men.

    End the prohibition of marijuana and let’s bring back, among many other things, integrity to law enforcement.

  14. Voter
    October 23, 2010 at 12:38 pm

    I hope the organic outdoor fish-friendly weed takes off, Prop. 19 passes or not.

  15. Harold h. Greene
    October 23, 2010 at 12:44 pm

    me too.

  16. tra
    October 23, 2010 at 12:59 pm

    The problem, of course, is that most users have no way of knowing whether the bud they buy was produced in an environmentally responsible way or not.

    Legalization could open the door for third-party certification of ganja as being grown outdoors, organically, pesiticide-free, etc.

  17. October 23, 2010 at 1:15 pm

    “is increased pot consumption a good thing for society?”
    “Integrity…”

    How about including increased pot growing good for society? After 50 years it’s way too late. The corruption is too ingrained. Nothing can change that now.

  18. Not A Native
    October 23, 2010 at 2:30 pm

    Some good points here but drugs can be dangerous to society as the British understood when they imported opium into China to create a basis for trade and further their empire.

    JJ analyzes the situation pretty well, IMO and concluded with her personal opinion that legalization won’t really increase pot consumption. Opinions of how legalization will affect pot consumption is the basic issue dividing pro and anti prop 19 groups.

    There are also other concerns about 19, but I think they’re secondary. The latest poll shows prop 19 failing.

  19. October 23, 2010 at 3:50 pm

    Legalization could open the door for third-party certification of ganja as being grown outdoors, organically, pesiticide-free, etc.

    Clean Green Certification is a third-party certification. Not to be confused with “Green Clean” which is for janitorial certification.

    The Clean Green site explains the legal issues concerning the labeling of marijuana as organic.

    “Knowingly sells or labels a product as organic, except in accordance with the Act, shall be subject to a civil penalty of not more than 3.91(b)(1)(xxxvii) of this title per violation. (up to $11,000.00 per violation and each mislabeled package could be construed as a separate violation).”

  20. Not A Native
    October 23, 2010 at 5:38 pm

    According to this news article on the same Sacto station, if prop 19 passes the Oakland pot facility plans are now to wholesale their pot for $40/oz. They say ‘theres the potential for almost too much profit here’. If that happens, many many other people will want that profit and the price will very quickly fall much further.

  21. Big Al
    October 23, 2010 at 6:06 pm

    keystone that to an $80.00 Oz. retail…

    (if you want warehouse weed)

  22. Plain Jane
    October 24, 2010 at 9:20 am
  23. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    October 24, 2010 at 10:53 am

    HiFi @ 9:35 am,

    You actually have a problem with world population increases (time to fess up), not really drug consumptions increasing.

    Anyhow, how much of an increase in consumption do you believe is going to create an adverse pandora effect upon the health of society? Afterall, how can society not treat legalization like that of any other product manufactured for resale. Market capitalizations and profit marginalizations regarding legal sales transactions – if you can’t beat ’em, join ’em.

    Now HiFi, what was that agian about the free-market system? What’s that, only for the chosen and pre-selected profiled types and categories of taxpaying voters? Ah, political retentions for continued power and control over “The Individual”.

    JL

  24. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    October 24, 2010 at 11:00 am

    tra,

    if legalized, most users will have the opportunity to know who grew what they smoke because they will increase in numbers as being their own producer, distibutor, and user. No need for labels or stamps – that is just royalty taxations to those agencise for which deserve zilch!

    Americans already over-pay in the form of taxations, period. How about those taxes not being stolen and wasted and misappropriated and misallocated, etc….

    Ya, enough of this bleed the pockets of a poorer and poorer nation.

    JL

  25. Mr. Nice
    October 24, 2010 at 12:39 pm

    Nice I got internet again. Like 5 inches of rain here fucked everything up. How is rain up there?

    The thing folks forget about warehouse weed and $40/oz weed is the mexibrick already fly in hundred thousand pound shipments and shit is already $40/oz. If boring ass $40/oz warehouse weed floods the market all that will do is replace imported bammer.

    I tried to throw this idea at folks before but if connoisseur-friendly weed growers want action they gotta try to make ale, not beer. Just like it is hard to break into the malt market with some shitty 10,000 gallon op, it’s gonna be hard to break into the “Bud” bud market. Even if you grow the best “beer,” nobody is gonna pay for it. Whatever the hell you gonna have to do to make it different, do it, grow “ale.” Use nutty compost, raise worms, flavor it like pine, something. It ain’t back in the day no more when folks could just sell everything off as as salad KGB of everyday weed.

  26. Mr. Nice
    October 24, 2010 at 12:40 pm

    Alright maybe 5 inches is exaggerating.

  27. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    October 24, 2010 at 2:02 pm

    Mr. Nice,

    word has it that that great portions and shipments of that non KGB brick mj comes via South Africa! So now, labor conditions become a concern, especially the penurized mexi-worker living in a drug warring country.

    JL

  28. Mr. Nice
    October 24, 2010 at 10:34 pm

    word has it that that great portions and shipments of that non KGB brick mj comes via South Africa! So now, labor conditions become a concern, especially the penurized mexi-worker living in a drug warring country.

    Bricked in the western fields of the Kingdom of Lesotho, not South Africa.

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