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The Patrick Cleary Experience

Are you experienced?
Have you ever been experienced?
Well, Patrick has.

  1. Anonymous
    October 24, 2010 at 12:07 am

    Wait, he doesn’t have the experience of being on 3 years probation for endangering peoples lives while driving completely blato.

  2. Anonymous
    October 24, 2010 at 1:20 am

    Both have raised insane amounts of money for… what? County supervisor. I don’t trust either of them. Even at the local level we as a people are ‘ucked.

  3. Anonymous
    October 24, 2010 at 9:29 am

    Sundberg has raised more than Cleary. Cleary had a lot of catch up to do as Sungberg was handed over $50,000 before January by developers. Many have still never met Sundberg, they just know he’s their guy.

  4. Anonymous
    October 24, 2010 at 9:35 am

    Did you see the teabagger ad for Sundberg today?

  5. Anonymous
    October 24, 2010 at 9:44 am

    Sungberg’s campaign manager is Kathy Rodriguez who is the local chair of the Carly Fiorina campaign. He has been a life long Republican until deciding to run for supervisor.

  6. Anonymous
    October 24, 2010 at 9:59 am

    What happened to Mostranski?

  7. Anonymous
    October 24, 2010 at 10:42 am

    Maybe he wasn’t tea baggy enough.

  8. Anon
    October 24, 2010 at 10:57 am

    Such bullshit, Rodriguez is not Sundbergs campaign manager. Patty Cleary has much more of a role than Rodriguez. Ask Patty herself or is she a Fiorina stooge and closet Republican too?

  9. Voter
    October 24, 2010 at 11:07 am

    Patty Clary has known Ryan since he was a little kid, so what? Patrick will listen to everybody, not just his friends and family. He already does.

    Cleary has the business experience and the heart to protect the environment and the economy–he knows they aren’t mutually exclusive. And he doesn’t just throw around terms like affordable housing and jobs–he actually knows what the county can realistically do about them.

    It’s nice that the good ole boys have decided to look past Ryan’s tribal roots, but he’s still the Eureka developer’s candidate. They oppose zoning that requires 10% affordable housing in every subdivision, and if Bass and Sundberg win, that rule will be overturned and we’ll be back to hoping the developers provide it out of the goodness of their hearts, which hasn’t worked so far.

  10. McKinleyvillan
    October 24, 2010 at 11:29 am

    it is nice that the Eureka developers can support a tribal member–maybe things really are a’changin’– but his main experience in County issues seems to be talking to lots of people in the last couple months.

    Cleary has actually been doing these things for more than 10 years. His combination of business expertise and caring for the social and environmental health of the County as a whole is the reason he has my support. I’ve already seen that he will talk to the enviros and the realtors, and not just view them as “sides” but rather as people with valid points of view and concerns.

    I want a supervisor who will return everyone’s calls, not just his friends and family.

  11. Anonymous
    October 24, 2010 at 11:30 am

    Sundberg has said he will reduce regulation of the forestry industry. I assume that will that include pesticide use.

  12. Anonymous
    October 24, 2010 at 2:13 pm

    Sundberg has been very clear that he does not support easing pesticide rules.

  13. Anonymous
    October 24, 2010 at 2:50 pm

    How about eliminating pesticides from forestry?

  14. A-Nony-Mouse
    October 24, 2010 at 5:04 pm

    How about eliminating Sundberg from the race on Tuesday? Sounds like a plan to me.

  15. Voter
    October 24, 2010 at 6:22 pm

    Now how could Sundberg affect forestry regulations or pesticide regulations one way or the other? As for easing pesticide rules, I’m not sure how much more lax they could really be. Just take a close look at Sun Valley Floral Farms, which uses more pesticides than all the timberlands in the county (and much nastier ones).

  16. Anonymous
    October 24, 2010 at 6:41 pm

    Well he wrote in the Green Diamond newsletter that he would work to loosen timber regulations. Maybe you should ask him how he plans to do that.

  17. October 24, 2010 at 8:16 pm

    Voter, not only do they use nasty pesticides, they use chemicals that are banned in Holland that makes your skin break out in a nasty red rash. It’s called Nitric acid

  18. McVoter
    October 24, 2010 at 8:18 pm

    A vote for Sundberg is a vote for a regular guy who knows and understands the people and issues of the 5th district. Yes, Cleary has tons of experience from Wall Street and handing out taxpayer money on the Headwaters Board, but does that make a good supervisor? I’m sure Patrick C. will listen to anybody. To me the decision comes down to having somebody who moved here with a bunch of money to retire, or somebody who knows what it is like to earn a living here. Vote for Sundberg.

  19. money money money money...
    October 24, 2010 at 8:28 pm

    MONEY!!!

    Cleary is THE MONEY Guy.

    Wall Street Banker, yeah, this guy is really concerned about the environment. This guy has REAL environmental credentials – like his smooth talking ads tell us.

    What credentials?? some may ask.

    Well, the MONEY man sat on the Headwaters board.

    Now, the Wall Street MONEY Man needs some GREEN. Oh, not that kind – got plenty of that. No he needs a GREENWASH. But what has he done to get Enviro creds?

    Cleary does not give a flying F**k about our environment. He is an east coast preppy transplant, living on his elite hill. He will always side with the MONEY.

    (But he’s very experienced in shoveling the BS PR that convinces you to believe him)

  20. Plain Jane
    October 24, 2010 at 8:50 pm

    Shame on Cleary for bringing in all that money, creating jobs and giving us excellent radio stations! How dare he be involved in local projects to improve our community! We don need no stinkin east coast money!

  21. another anonomous
    October 24, 2010 at 8:51 pm

    Anonomous at 9:35 asked: Did you see the teabagger ad for Sundberg today?

    No. Where? When?

  22. Plain Ignornamous
    October 24, 2010 at 9:14 pm

    Excuse my ignormanous, PJ, but what money, exactly, did Cleary bring in?

    Headwater Fund money is from us taxpayers.

    Anyone can “be involved in local projects to improve our community” and many are. Including me, my friends, Sundberg and countless others.

    Cleary turns me off because he claims ownership of the projects our community members originated just because he sat on the Headwaters board. He voted for many stinkers too.

    It is our money, not money he brought in, PJ.

  23. Plain Ignornamous
    October 24, 2010 at 10:14 pm

    Voter @ 6:22: “Just take a close look at Sun Valley Floral Farms, which uses more pesticides than all the timberlands in the county (and much nastier ones).”

    Isn’t Sun Valley Floral Farms the main benefactor of the Richardson Grove highway widening project? Wasn’t Cleary one of the pushers of that project? Didn’t the Headwaters Fund pay for ramrod shim-sham reports and studies and bogus letters to the editors to push it?

    Hasn’t Sun Valley Farms expanded its operation/contamination to the Trinity River and farther?

    Didn’t Cleary’s campaign get $$ from Sun Valley?

  24. Anonymous
    October 24, 2010 at 11:53 pm

    Yea, I’m so worried about the influence of ‘money’ I’m gonna vote for the Republican insurance salesman Sundburg that all the developers gave all the money to. That makes sense.

    Somehow having worked for a bank over a decade ago is worse that currently working for an insurance company? Yea right.

    The choice is clear. Cleary for supervisor.

  25. Anonymous
    October 25, 2010 at 12:08 am

    Sun Valley is a major contributor to our economy, and what they do is a legal grow. They appear to have fixed their hiring snafu issues. Like pot growers don’t use herbicides?

  26. Plain Jane
    October 25, 2010 at 1:07 am

    Do you think radio stations grow on trees, Ignoramus?

  27. McVoter
    October 25, 2010 at 6:44 am

    but his main experience in County issues seems to be talking to lots of people in the last couple months.

    No, his main government experience is being on the board of the Trinidad Rancheria. He is talking to people to get a good handle on what their issues are and hear what they would like to see from their local government. Revolutionary isn’t it?

  28. Anonymous
    October 25, 2010 at 7:58 am

    He plans to stay on the board of the rancheria because he says it doesn’t take much time. Funny how he claims all of his experience from a board that doesn’t take more than a few hours every few weeks at most.

  29. McVoter
    October 25, 2010 at 8:07 am

    How much does the Headwaters meet? Or the Big Lagoon water district? That’s the experience Pat C. was peddling at the debate in McKinleyville. No mention of Wall street or paying $475,000 cash for KXGO. Any of you guys have that kind of dough?

  30. Anonymous
    October 25, 2010 at 8:47 am

    Again the ONLY substantive experience that Sundberg puts out there is the rancheria. Cleary’s list, here in Humboldt County, is too long to list here (go to the website).

    My concern is that Sundberg has said if elected he will stay on the rancheria board. The rancheria is proposing a huge development in the 5th district, including an overpass/off ramp, 50 room hotel, and a gas station.

    If elected supervisor who with Sundberg represent? A concerned neighbor or a ranceria member?

  31. Anonymous
    October 25, 2010 at 9:02 am

    Plain Jane, looks like you think Cleary created radio stations here. Boy, are you dumb or what?

    Cleary is spending his own money and his mother’s money for his campaign. His mother’s money bought the radio stations.

    Yes, it is interesting that he does not mention that his real work experience is at Chase Manhattan Bank. Such a nice outfit. Did some real good things for this country’s economy. It was this experience (mis)managing money that put him on board seats here in Humboldt County.

    Look, a county supervisor is not a banker. Experience in banking does not qualify a person for governing. Cleary has expressed disdain for governing and for government.

    What are his motives? To replace open government with a “business model” of running things? I don’t trust Cleary.

  32. Anonymous
    October 25, 2010 at 9:05 am

    So Cleary’s crime is a former life as a successful business person somewhere else other than Humboldt County? A life he found to be unsatisfying and soulless. He left what could have been a life of monetary riches and moved to the best place in the world and never looked back. Dove right in, learned fast and worked hard to help as best he can. If you think money or power is the motivator here you are blind or sorrily misinformed.

  33. Anonymous
    October 25, 2010 at 9:07 am

    Look, a county supervisor is not a insurance agent. Experience in insurance does not qualify a person for governing. Sundberg (and especially his tea party supporters) has expressed disdain for governing and for government.

    What are his motives? To replace open government with a “business model” of running things? I don’t trust Sundberg.

  34. Both Sides
    October 25, 2010 at 9:25 am

    Both candidates have ties to rancherias. Both would have to recuse themselves when/if issues affecting their respective affiliations came before the Supes.

    Cleary took something like $20K from Blue Lake and the rancheria is a partner in his business.

    So if Sundberg is Supervisor, he would have no influence over how the rancheria develops. Actually, there is no proposed overpass.

  35. Plain Jane
    October 25, 2010 at 9:30 am

    First they complain that Cleary made his money working for Chase Manhattan, then they claim that it was his mother’s money and now they claim he shares the tea party agenda for privatizing government. Hilarious amount of projection going on.

  36. Anonymous
    October 25, 2010 at 9:34 am

    So are you saying that with Sundberg a citizen of Westhaven or Trinida will have NO representation on the board of supervisors as the rancheria develops its expanded resort? This doesn’t sound good.

  37. Both Sides
    October 25, 2010 at 9:49 am

    Plain Jane, drink another cup of coffee. Anonymous attempted to smear Sundberg by association with the tea party.

    Yes, Cleary is using his own and his mother’s money. He comes from a wealthy family with long ties to Wall Street. Cleary is currently a member of the NY Stock Exchange. His upbringing and associations certainly affect. his world view. From what I’ve seen and heard, Cleary has absolutely no understanding of things that matter deeply to long-time Humboldt County residents.

    I have talked to both candidates. Cleary had a know-it-all attitude. Sundberg was a very good listener and seemed to get it when I brought up environmental issues.

  38. Blue Lake voter
    October 25, 2010 at 10:12 am

    So are you saying that with Cleary a citizen of Blue Lake will have NO representation on the board of supervisors when the rancheria develops and expands? This doesn’t sound good.

  39. Anonymous
    October 25, 2010 at 10:20 am

    Sounds like “both sides” is a disgruntled and confused Higgins supporter. I’m sure your environmental concerns will trump the developers’ interests that paid for Sundbergs campaign.

  40. Anonymous
    October 25, 2010 at 10:36 am

    There is a difference. Citizens of Blue Lake are somewhat protected and represented by the fact that the Blue Lake Rancheria works with the City and uses its water and sewer systems. City council has a very direct influence on (and benefits from) the development of the rancheria. Westhaven and Trinidad residents have no such protection or influence, which will be less if Sundberg is elected.

  41. Both Sides
    October 25, 2010 at 10:43 am

    No, I have been for Sundberg all along. No stomach for drinking the Cleary KoolAid.

    Patty Clary is also for Sundberg. She is a serious environmentalist and a no nonsense person. Clary supports Sundberg because she knows and trusts him. I know Patty and trust her judgment.

  42. Both Sides
    October 25, 2010 at 10:51 am

    Development in Trinidad depends on approval by the Coastal Commission. Trinidad has a city council that could weigh in on development issues too. The Supes does not have much influence over the Trinidad Rancheria. Regardless of who gets elected.

  43. Anonymous
    October 25, 2010 at 11:04 am

    The 50 room hotel and gas station are on rancheria property and out of the Coastal Commission’s or Trinidad’s ability to have any real influence.

  44. Anonymous
    October 25, 2010 at 11:10 am

    So you are hoping that Patty has more influence on republican (property rights) Sundberg than the $200,000 of developer money? Good luck with that.

  45. Anonymous
    October 25, 2010 at 12:18 pm

    I find it crazy that the rancheria has the right to build when they are the only ones who want something. It is true but it is annoying. Coastal? No problem. Not needed? No problem. Ugly? No problem. We have too many casinos and can’t support them all well.

  46. Stickler for accuracy
    October 25, 2010 at 12:26 pm

    Um…Anonymous at 11:04 and 11:10…you are incorrect.

    The Coastal Commission DOES have authority to allow or deny Trinidad Rancheria development projects.

    Sundberg’s campaign has not received $200,000 in total, let alone that much from developers.

  47. me
    October 25, 2010 at 1:06 pm

    Before Trinidad had the Rancheria helping them, they had tough times. Thanks to Ryan Sundberg and other effective leaders, things are better.

  48. McVoter
    October 25, 2010 at 1:08 pm

    the big donor in this campaign is the blue lake casino.

  49. Anonymous
    October 25, 2010 at 1:12 pm

    Um… The Coastal Commission has had NO say in the development of the Cher-ae Casino the housing moving down the cliffs or the leaky septics.

  50. Anonymous
    October 25, 2010 at 1:30 pm

    me – You must not be from Trinidad.

  51. Stickler for accuracy
    October 25, 2010 at 1:56 pm

    Go to the CC website and you will see permit applications submitted by the Rancheria for approval by the CC. Did the Rancheria apply for approval just cause they like filling out the forms?

  52. Anonymous
    October 25, 2010 at 1:59 pm

    For projects off the rancheria this is true, like the dock. Please provide the link to the CC permit for the casino.

  53. Anonymous
    October 25, 2010 at 2:01 pm

    Me says Trinidad is doing better? Better than when? The Trinidad City Council destroyed Trinidad. Nothing but vacation rentals now. Somebody’s getting rich off it, so Cleary would approve of it, no doubt. Comprise, you know.

  54. Anonymous
    October 25, 2010 at 2:05 pm

    Make that Compromise. Supposed to be Cleary’s strong suit. Ever notice that compromisers always lean toward the rich? Regular people and environmental advocates get to “ask” for what they want. That is compromise. We ask, they nod and do what must be done to protect the bottom line for the rich and powerful.

  55. it's moot
    October 25, 2010 at 2:10 pm

    Recognized Indian Tribes are sovereign nations. Arguing over Cleary vs Sundberg in relation to what the Rancheria does is silly. The county has essentially no say.

    If you don’t like it – go back to Europe.

  56. Anonymous
    October 25, 2010 at 2:16 pm

    I think you have a very isolated idea of what “rich” is. If you think that the republican, tea party supported, developer paid for candidate is gonna look out after the interests of the “little guy” you are in for a big surprise.

  57. In case you haven't noticed
    October 25, 2010 at 3:26 pm

    The Democrats are no better than Republicans. Example: The Dems in DC have done nothing to help the little guy. It is a bogus comparison. Example: Jill Geist/Duffy is a Dem. What good has that done us?

    You keep trying to associate Sundberg with the tea party. Who? How? When? Specifically, what support?

    Developer paid for or Wall Street money paid for – what is the difference?

    Look beyond the labels, unfounded rumors and red herrings. When it comes to Humboldt’s natural resources, I’d trust a man with deep roots and legitimate ties those resources over a rich, “came here ten years ago to be groovy” banker.

  58. In case you haven't noticed
    October 25, 2010 at 3:35 pm

    ties to those resources. like, going back thousands of years. like being part of his heritage, culture and spirituality. A DEEP connection, not a facile facade to get votes.

  59. Yes Teabaggers 4 Ryan
    October 25, 2010 at 3:46 pm

    Steve Morris of McK ran a big ad for Sundberg and the rest of the Establishment Slate on Sunday. Steve’s wife Gwen is the Tea Party half of the Morris logging partnership:

    http://www.thereporta.com/?p=2874#comments

  60. From The Reporta
    October 25, 2010 at 3:48 pm

    “The local chapter of the greater Tea Party is headed by Dorice Miranda. Other notables on the executive board include Ron Pierre, Alvin D. Dunnegan, Gwen Morris, Gary Sokolow, Ronda Ambrosini, and Fred Nelson”

    Teabaggers for Sundberg…

  61. In case you haven't noticed
    October 25, 2010 at 3:57 pm

    And…
    Where is Sundberg’s response to the questions? Not there. Maybe because Ryan does not belong.

    Gallegos did respond. So that means he does belong, right?

    Our community is so divided. A person can not respond/not respond without risking being labeled. It gets very tiresome. The rumor mongers must do their thing. Everyone else, please, THINK FOR YOURSELF!

  62. Anonymous
    October 25, 2010 at 4:29 pm

    …but do follow the money.

  63. Came here for Headwaters
    October 25, 2010 at 4:34 pm

    I came here for Headwaters. You know. I “worked on Headwaters”. I “demonstrated”, sat in trees, sat in the middle of the street to obstruct traffic because I was just so, you know, PISSED OFF, I had to haul my sorry ass out here from Ohio, Michigan, Berkeley, whatever.

    I had SUCH A HUGE IMPACT!!! (BTW, the Headwaters Deal was executed by politicians who would not be caught dead communicating with the likes of me).

    Eventually, I looked at a map and figured out where I was. WOW! There are rivers here! Now I’m REALLY into the Klamath Deal. Good thing I am here to take care of these things.

    I support Cleary. He’s just like me. Doesn’t know jack about the forests, rivers and wildlife. All about grandstanding and posturing. Oh, and that Headwaters Deal got us a “preserve”. Yeah, they clearcut some other old growth instead, whose name I shall not mention. That’s not cool, man.

    Meanwhile, we got this really nifty taxpayer funded Headwaters Fund. And guess what. My man Cleary got to sit there, because he is so good with that shady money kind of stuff, you know.

    Now, my taxes go to organizations that might/might not ALLOW themselves to be subject to environmental regulations. You know, the ones who want timber and agriculture to continue as they always have, with no enforcement of environmental regulations.

    Gee, I feel so good about myself, I just might start a new blog.

  64. Fish Fryer
    October 25, 2010 at 4:58 pm

    The Cleary haters are a bitter bunch.

  65. Steak n Eggs
    October 25, 2010 at 5:01 pm

    “Everyone else, please, THINK FOR YOURSELF!”

    Baa, Baa…

    Good luck getting it on this site. Its about as ideological as Fox News.

  66. Anonymous
    October 25, 2010 at 5:22 pm

    “The Democrats are no better than Republicans. Example: The Dems in DC have done nothing to help the little guy. It is a bogus comparison. Example: Jill Geist/Duffy is a Dem. What good has that done us?”

    As bad as she was, Jill was way better than Ben Sheppard ever would have been. It would have not been the same.

    Cleary and Sundberg are not the same.

    There are plenty of republican tea party developers that can lay claim to some “roots”. It does not mean they will be good supervisors.

    Some experience in the outside world is not such a bad thing.

    Cleary is the clear choice.

  67. Little Buddha
    October 25, 2010 at 7:41 pm

    The Patrick Cleary experience? Not necessarily stoned, but beautiful..he’ll win. I call it 56-44 Cleary.

  68. Anon
    October 25, 2010 at 11:41 pm

    9:25 am: Rancheria issues don’t come before the supes. Tribes are only governed by federal law, not state or county or city law. That’s why Sundberg’s biggest supporters have worked hard to keep the Hoopa Tribe off the HCAOG board, or at least that’s the reason they state publicly.

  69. Anon
    October 25, 2010 at 11:45 pm

    Both Sides at 10:51 am: The Coastal Commission has no jurisdiction on land that is held in tribal trust by the BIA. The Commission only has jurisdiction when the land is transferred from fee land (taxed) to trust land. If the Trinidad Rancheria project is on tribal land, you can’t count on the Coastal Commission to be where the buck stops.

  70. My Two Cents
    October 26, 2010 at 12:03 am

    Wow. I am really disappointed in the level of discourse here. Fear and hatred. Come on. It’s a question of who do you think is more qualified and will do a better job in the big picture. Whether your interest is social services, Indian sovereignty, jobs, the environment–it’s all connected!

    Looks like some Higgins supporters really bought the story they were pushing–really, you think Cleary’s mother will have more say about the future of Humboldt than the 17 developers who support Sundberg? If money is your concern, why would local developer money be more acceptable than old East Coast family money? Which one will hold sway over the candidate on local decisionmaking and affect the future of the County?

    And if you think someone’s tribal roots are a reason to support them, look at the letters from all the Indian people who support Cleary. Cleary has some very influential and ethical Indian supporters, not just the rancheria donors. I have not seen that with Sundberg, the traditional people speaking out in support.

    What I see is lots of vacant lots with Sundberg signs–that’s because the developers own that land. They shuld have a sign showing the crappy tract housing that will be on those old pastures if you vote for Sundberg. Hooven, Rynearson, Furtado, Kramer, etc. etc.–I’m sure they are not all terrible people, they just need to learn what kind of development people want around here, not the crap they have given us for the past 20 years.

  71. Anonymous
    October 26, 2010 at 8:10 am

    for some reason, the people that live in those houses don’t consider them “crappy”. what kind of development do we want?

  72. ethics are everything
    October 26, 2010 at 8:47 am

    It is against the law to be a City Council member and, at the same time, also be a County Supervisor. Not only does it violate state law, it is unethical.

    In the same way, Ryan cannot ride a two headed horse. State law may have a loophole (it does not take local Tribal government elected positions into account), that allows Ryan to stay on the Tribal Exec. Council, and also seek the position of Supervisor. However this unethical behavior certainly violates the spirit of the law, and possibly the letter too if the courts get involved.

    This unethical behavior is also exhibited in his failure to appear for his Driving Under the Influence court appearance, on the same day as he was filing for this election, as well as his failure to disclose this fact. As this election unfolds, Ryan is exhibiting a pattern of unethical behavior that is disturbing to say the least.

    There is nothing wrong with a FORMER City Council Member (or Tribal Council Member) running for a County position, but the emphasis there is on “FORMER.” Ryan should decide which elected role is more important, and quit the other. I have lost respect for him, and do not trust his decisions or ethics. This decision is not about the racial background of those running, it is about the capabilities and ethics of the two men we must choose from. Ryan is coming up short in this comparison.

  73. me
    October 26, 2010 at 8:48 am

    The market determines what sells. Furtodo sells a lot of houses to I guess stupid people, according to Two Cents. So how did Windsong work out?

  74. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    October 26, 2010 at 8:58 am

    Good luck to ALL candidates.

    Jeffrey Lytle
    McKinleyville – 5th District

  75. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    October 26, 2010 at 9:13 am

    12:03 am wrote,

    What I see is lots of vacant lots with Sundberg signs–that’s because the developers own that land. They shuld have a sign showing the crappy tract housing that will be on those old pastures if you vote for Sundberg. Hooven, Rynearson, Furtado, Kramer, etc. etc.–I’m sure they are not all terrible people, they just need to learn what kind of development people want around here, not the crap they have given us for the past 20 years.

    My response: Did you mean “be told”? Anyhow, do you really believe developers are not told how to develop the property? Seems to me your gripe is really with government greed to create mandated economic and housing growth – this means packing ’em in as much as possible just under the mass voices of what could be public scrutiny (like Foerster Gill).

    One thing is for sure though – price fixations were created upon natural resources and associated taxations that got passed along, and then along again, and again, and again….. to others. Finally, those price-fixed costs were eaten “in-whole” by the newest of newer homeowners within the past 15 years.

    So, in short, stupidity in your explanation may be more geared toward the fact that as individuals, greed is also pacing right along – greed for lifestyles unsustainable. Guaranteed had people not spent $300K+ for a newly built starter home, then prices would have come down or homes would not be built because costs were to high for buyers.

    Yet, it is true, no BIG contractor outfit has yet to be willing to build small starter homes of less than 1000 square feet because they (and the public agencies) can’t maximize profits or mandated protocols. So, if you don’t like the housing market layout, then don’t buy into it and just be a renter, right…….LOLA!

    JL

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