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Eureka Council to hold special closed session

The Times-Standard reports the Eureka City Council will meet for a special closed session today at 4:00 to discuss existing litigation against the city by former employees, and real property negotiations.

The Council generally meets for closed session in the hour preceding its regular bi-monthly meetings, and reports any action taken in closed session at the beginning of the public meeting.

Whatever comes of this meeting will not be reported until after the election.

Fishy?

  1. Big Al
    October 27, 2010 at 8:07 am

    Hell yes that is one stinky fish! is that even legal???

  2. Anonymous
    October 27, 2010 at 8:21 am

    now what’s Tyson up to?

  3. October 27, 2010 at 8:22 am

    Yeah, but Larry Glass is involved, so it must be legal.

  4. Lodgepole
    October 27, 2010 at 8:41 am

    Lube up Eurekans.

  5. Anonymous
    October 27, 2010 at 8:45 am

    Just ask Larry…he’ll fill you in on all the deets.

  6. Carly
    October 27, 2010 at 8:58 am

    If it’s a closed door session will we ever know what has taken place? Is this in compliance with the Brown Act? Is this going to cost somebody some money?

    I bet Hi-Fi has some answers. Jane?

  7. Anonymous
    October 27, 2010 at 9:02 am

    Directly after the meeting, the council must announce any action taken. Just camp outside the council chambers. Problem solved.

    The election is not being held today, so, I don’t know what Heraldo has been smoking.

  8. High Finance
    October 27, 2010 at 9:07 am

    I have not a clue as to what real estate transaction they could be talking about. I thought Jefferson school was a done deal.

    I’m surprised that they would have this type of meeting just six days before the election. Larry is bound to leak to Heraldo & the Glass/LaValle/Kuhnel cabal supporters will use it for last minute smears.

  9. Anonymous
    October 27, 2010 at 9:13 am

    Closed sessions are fairly routine. It’s part of the Brown Act. The reason is so that a Council can take particular action and have discussion on sensitive topics without opening themselves up to litigation based on discussion. What Heraldo forgot to leave out is that they will take public comment before going into closed session.

  10. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    October 27, 2010 at 9:15 am

    We need some lawyers to bring suit against the government to rescind secret closed session meetings since taxpayers (the boss and employer) have a right to know all facts, story lines, gossip, schemes, plots, etc… that tax dollars are appropriated toward.

    Let us see whether Cleary or Sundberg will support this action.

    As our next supervisor, either of the two should refrain from attending any and all closed door sessions. They are not really constitutional, nor really legal – regardless of the worthless ink lawyers and government officials draft on paper. In the real political world, the costs of court is used as a barrier or haven that evil-minded tax taking people in government use to shield away the truth, not make it transparent.

    ………and voters will continue the dualopoly insanity on the 2nd of November, watch and learn. This is why the future is bleak – repeat offender voters.

    JL

  11. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    October 27, 2010 at 9:19 am

    Forgot to opine this,

    IF closed door sessions are needed for uninterrupted dialogue, then air the metting, record it in audio form, have the clerk provide 100% of the discussed information, etc…. Secrecy has gone over-the -edge.

    JL

  12. Facts help a little
    October 27, 2010 at 9:49 am

    Someone on the Heraldo team either jumped the gun in ignorance or is just plain fear mongering.

    >All actions taken and all votes in closed session
    must be publicly reported orally or in writing (§
    54957.1(b)), and copies of any contracts or settlements approved must be made available
    promptly (§ 54957.1(b),(c)).

    “Promptly” has consistently translated to city councils making an oral announcement directly after the meeting, as in, the council members return to their council seats and the actions taken are announced over the loud speaker. And, also to write the announcement and distribute it in the same venues and through the same actions as they do meeting agendas, which would include sending a copy to the news media well in advance of election day.

    Not two mention, two of the council members are presumably sympathetic to the Heraldo team and anything unseemly would likely reach the bloggers well before election day.

    If the session is being held tonight, there is plenty of time for the actions to be reported in the newspaper and on TV.

  13. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    October 27, 2010 at 10:11 am

    Actions are not as clear as full-disclosure discussions!

    JL

  14. Big Al
    October 27, 2010 at 10:22 am

    Ok, I’m less excited now, we’ll just have to wait and see whats said…

  15. Anonymous
    October 27, 2010 at 10:22 am

    Maybe they’re watching the Giants or having a birthday party for Larry.

  16. OffTheRez
    October 27, 2010 at 10:43 am

    hifi —“I’m surprised that they would have this type of meeting just six days before the election. Larry is bound to leak to Heraldo & the Glass/LaValle/Kuhnel cabal supporters will use it for last minute smears.”
    I didn’t realize Tyson was in the race, oh yeah, I guess he is recruiting new stooges. I bet it’s juicy!!!!

  17. anon
    October 27, 2010 at 10:47 am

    HJ
    Cleary or Sundberg ,What do these two have to do with a Eureka Council meeting?

  18. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    October 27, 2010 at 11:25 am

    anon @ 10:47 am,

    sorry if the cold fingers are to stiff in typing this response (cold work day outside today) as I warm up a bit and eat a bite before headin’ on back out yonder.

    I was thinking of the quasi relationship discussions from both tiers – county and city in the future. I will also input Virgina, Ron K, Brady, Newman, LaVallee, etc.. on re-development, spheres of influence/projects (infra-structure, Foerster Gill, roadways, sevices,etc.)…….there usually is a broad spectrum ON A VARIETY of issues that make it to closed session it seems. It was a post of HOPE for the 5th District as well, that’s all – hopefully no harm done to this thread.

    JL

  19. A-Nony-Mouse
    October 27, 2010 at 11:36 am

    HiFi never fails to disappoint. He must live in a paranoid world. We can only offer our pity and sympathy.

    There have been an unusual number of meetings of various kinds scheduled for this week (by Tyson). Since they keep Larry busy when he should be campaigning (but not ‘the other guys’), put your paranoia hats on and wonder, once again, whether Tyson just might be doing it on purpose? Who? Dave? He’d never think of such a thing, would he?

  20. Anonymous
    October 27, 2010 at 11:56 am

    Closed meetings usually regard personnel issues and actions because those matters are, by law, confidential. However, if someone is fired, a settlement made, etc. it would be announced when the meeting comes out of “closed session” and goes back to “open session”. A closed session cannot be held for a public issue, such as planning, taxes, etc – so no need to let your paranoia take you there.

  21. High Finance
    October 27, 2010 at 12:07 pm

    Mouse makes a post like 11.36am and calls ME paranoid?

  22. CheeseDick
    October 27, 2010 at 12:10 pm

    HoJ,
    Although I sympathize with your transparency dreams, I would caution my elected officials in allowing a plaintiff the upperhand on litigation.
    Openening closed sessions would bring a tidal wave of undefendable, frivolous cases and bad deals on real estate.

  23. anon
    October 27, 2010 at 12:51 pm

    Get a clue. It is being held tonight because the CM and good ole boys didn’t want info getting out sooner I bet. My guess is that this will be a supreme embarrassment to some. Unfortunately much of the sordid details probably wont see the light of day.

  24. Anonymous
    October 27, 2010 at 1:10 pm

    Get a clue. Your “good old boys” and girls are the movers and shakers in a community, without which not much would happen. You start seeing their names a lot and those not as involved or the more paranoid assume these people all get special treatment and bribe the officials, cut corners, get away with murder, etc. Get real. It’s just people who have been successful in business and contribute a lot to the community.

  25. Anonymous
    October 27, 2010 at 1:25 pm

    Get a clue. It is being held tonight because the CM and good ole boys didn’t want info getting out sooner I bet.

    Your viewpoint is thoroughly illogical. They are holding this meeting to delay embarrassing news? Delay it from what? The meeting is TODAY. The election is NEXT TUESDAY. That gives the news media SIX DAYS to report it.

    Here’s some aspirin. The dumb must really hurt.

  26. Not A Native
    October 27, 2010 at 1:35 pm

    Oh yeah anon 1:10, you’re a real Sherlock on getting those clues. For instance, Betty Chin’s name is seen a lot, she makes things happen. No one’s ever called her a “good old gal”. Same for many other local folks who are civic minded, energetic, and without intentions of feathering their own nests(at the expense of others).

  27. anon
    October 27, 2010 at 1:36 pm

    There have been lots of regular closed session opportunities. I guarantee there is a reason it is today and could not wait until next Tuesday or they would have waited. Think about it logically.

  28. Anonymous
    October 27, 2010 at 2:35 pm

    My point exactly NAN.

  29. anon
    October 27, 2010 at 3:24 pm

    Guess we shall see. But mark my words. This will be ugly I predict

  30. Not A Native
    October 27, 2010 at 3:28 pm

    Don’t think so anon 2:35. People get labeled good old boys becuase they’re known to mostly promote projects that benefit themselves at the expense of the rest of us.

  31. Barb Leonard
    October 27, 2010 at 4:13 pm

    Oh, for heaven’s sakes! There are closed session meetings all the time. They are closed for a reason. The subject matter is quite often about personnel matters and as you know it is against the law to discuss them with the public.

    Jeff is in SF and I think Mike is either on his way or there also so it can’t be a REALLY BIG DEAL because they will be back tomorrow night (at least Jeff will be).

    Paranoia abounds in these here parts. Unfortunately, the usual suspects finding the boogie man under every grassy knoll will not be satisfied with reality. It bites, doesn’t it?

  32. Anonymous
    October 27, 2010 at 4:17 pm

    Barb, Honey Child, I have missed you. You are always informed and delightful but never cross the line into mean. Keep on posting. Posts like your make this thunder mug of a blog worth reading.

  33. Barb Leonard
    October 27, 2010 at 5:00 pm

    BTW, who are “the good ole boys”? Seems to me we have two sets of “good ole boys”. Both sets want to control the future of Eureka.

    It’s really very funny to me. If you are in either group the other group is labeled as “the good ole boys”.

    Funny how legends, with no evidence to back them up, form in the minds of man.

    Who knows what evil lurks…oh, yeah, the “shadow do”.
    Maybe the shadow is one of those much heralded Glass “watch dogs”.

    I’m thinking both groups of “good ole boys” think they know what’s best for Eureka and both groups want to protect us from the other group who is surely WRONG!!

    My sincere hope is that one day the regular folks will convince the “us” and “them” folks to chill and actually get some work done.

    Well, I can dream, can’t I?

  34. Anonymous
    October 27, 2010 at 5:49 pm

    It’s greed, Barb. Greed is a kind of fear. The only power big enough to conquer fear? Love, of course. We can’t keep letting the Chamber of Commerce make policy for the community. It is time to lovingly say “no” and elect Kuhnel, LaVallee and of course Larry Glass.

  35. Not A Native
    October 27, 2010 at 6:03 pm

    Nope Barb. The good ole boys don’t call their detractors, ‘good ole boys’. They call them ‘troublemakers’ or ‘those people’. No one ever called Lucille Vinyard a good ole gal.

    And you know Barb, “getting some work done” can’t be both cutting down the forest and maintaining it for it is. You can’t have your cake and eat it too. When a decision is made, it eliminates the possibility of some other choices. Being chill can’t change that.

    No matter how much time passes, the people who believe they are more worthy than others because their ancestors made war on and conquered the regular folks of their day, will continue to hold the opinion that ‘we’ are better than ‘them’. And they’ll pass that opinion on to their progeny.

  36. High Finance
    October 27, 2010 at 6:04 pm

    You are so noble, annon 5.49pm, I feel humbled in your presence.

    Tell us all had pure you felt when you went to your boss & volunteered to take a pay cut in order to help the business survive through this recession.

  37. Plain Jane
    October 27, 2010 at 6:24 pm

    If the employers had been trickling down a fair share of their increased wealth as promised before the recession, it wouldn’t have happened, HiFi.

  38. anon
    October 27, 2010 at 6:55 pm

    The “cover up” is such a bunch of deseratation bullshit and totally fabricated. Ask any EPD detective or DA investigator. It is total smear campaign against Glass with no merit. Closed session had nothing to do with that. Take a look at the agenda you imbecile. This is such a crock to actually believe something like this could be let quiet. Please call attorney general if you actually believe such Shit.

  39. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    October 27, 2010 at 7:06 pm

    Anonymous says:
    October 27, 2010 at 11:56 am
    Closed meetings usually regard personnel issues and actions because those matters are, by law, confidential. However, if someone is fired, a settlement made, etc. it would be announced when the meeting comes out of “closed session” and goes back to “open session”. A closed session cannot be held for a public issue, such as planning, taxes, etc – so no need to let your paranoia take you there.

    Generally yes, but it is wrong and the law needs changing in order to “cull” potential law-breakers who act in the capacity as a public employee or official. When public functions or interests involve suits, this as well should be disclosed to the taxpayers. The only fear is government would have less tax dollars to work with and would prove itself unworthy to represent. Afterall, VICTIMS DESERVE RETRIBUTIONS, ESPECIALLY WHEN GOVERNMENT IS THE ABUSER.

    CheeseDick says:
    October 27, 2010 at 12:10 pm
    HoJ,
    Although I sympathize with your transparency dreams, I would caution my elected officials in allowing a plaintiff the upperhand on litigation.
    Openening closed sessions would bring a tidal wave of undefendable, frivolous cases and bad deals on real estate.

    the courts already try their darndest to find any public jurisdiction/agency not guilty (government codes specific to this issue essentially is a power and control without guilt “set-up”). Additionally, most plaintiffs against the government really are “the abused and victimized”, so why would any citizen support another citizen’s abuse and victimization at the hands of any level of government. I can’t sympathize for citizens who turn their shoulder in a cold fashion toward honoring what is right in holding accountable (money too) those public officials and employees who are truly committing torts and other wrongs – no matter how much tax money is lost. Duplicitously, that public area or jurisdiction(like Humboldt County, or Eureka)that LOSES the case also loses the same amount (then doubled) in grant funding opportunities. Now, you want honest government locally, there ya go.

    As well, to end, the law should be changed to force the individual public employee or officials in certain types of suits (THAT SHOW MORE THAN JUST ABOVE AND BEYOND NEGLIGIENCE) TO PAY, PAY, PAY ALL THE WAY TO THEIR FORECLOSED UPON HOME. Remember, just as children are used as a tool to get something, so is negligience used by government employees to get out of something THEY DID REALLY WRONG OR, OFTEN ENOUGH, EVIL. The level of evil can be really haneous.

    JL

  40. Anon1
    October 27, 2010 at 7:23 pm

    What the law “should be” according to JL. …and you “should” have been elected as county supervisor, but I guess it was another act of “evil haineousness” that prevented that outcome.

  41. anonymous
    October 27, 2010 at 7:33 pm

    Get out the red ink, JL needs to be schooled.

  42. luvin' youreka politics
    October 27, 2010 at 7:38 pm

    henchman, turn it down brother, didn’t need to get your bold italic type all up in my face, and seriously, tldr.

    how is it surprising that the people in control want to cut a few back room deals before they might not be in control anymore?

    btw, any polls going around that might indicate where the race is going?

  43. Living In Eureka
    October 27, 2010 at 7:48 pm

    O.K. guys, I was at City Hall and they came out & said that, “NO DECISION WAS REACHED!” What ever the hell that means! So you know what that really means…mums the word. But we all know that after next Tuesday, we will get the skinny!

    Now I would like to address the subject of, “paranoia”, “good ole boys”, & “Glass watch dogs”!

    Paranoia? You bet ya! Try living with Cell Towers in your back yard, or how about the damn 50 man halfway house Teen Challenge wanted to put in on the west side! I already live with 6 halfway houses & several nutcase housing units within two blocks of my front door! You should see these dumps! I don’t think any of these people actually get the true treatment they need!

    Oh yes, bless their hearts…The “Good Ole Boys” You know the ones with the God complex, that think they can get away with anything & still think this is a company Town! It just chaps their ass that after they made this city a shit hole, they moved out of town & can’t vote! Suck it up boys, there’s a new posse in town & we can vote!

    The Glass what dog team????….Now who is being just a tiny bit paranoid???

    By the way Barb, every time I have to pick up dog crap from my sidewalk I think of Jeff & his No Vote on the the dog poop ordinance!

  44. anonymous
    October 27, 2010 at 8:02 pm

    The back room dealings aren’t public because they would no doubt further tarnish Tyson (who lusted after Tawnie)and once again bring to mind the skanky conduct of Ms Bass (who lusted after Tyson) and this just won’t do right before the election.

  45. The Monitor
    October 27, 2010 at 8:39 pm

    I think I’ll reserve judgment on this one. Till it is public, you all are pissing in the wind. If you were questioned about being on a jury, would you be so bold in your pretrial opinions?

  46. A-Nony-Mouse
    October 28, 2010 at 9:41 am

    Remeber, HiFi, just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean they’re not out to get you!

  47. Thomas Paine Jr
    October 28, 2010 at 9:42 am

    I am 100% sure that this is a gross violation of the Brown Act.

  48. Anonymous
    October 28, 2010 at 10:53 am

    No offense, TPjr, but you are 100 percent wrong.

  49. Thomas Paine Jr
    October 28, 2010 at 12:03 pm

    Not reporting the contents of a meeting of a quorum of the council is in fact a criminal offense.
    ” The Brown act is California’s government in sunshine law. Its intent is to ensure that local government actions be made in public after open deliberation. Violations of the Brown Act may result in criminal penalties. The primary impact of this law is that newly elected officials CAN NOT MEET WITH A QUORUM of the City Council, including outgoing Council Members, or other newly elected council members , unless the council is sitting at a notices, open, and public meeting. This prohibition applies to “serial meetings” as well, specifically, meetings created through individual, one on one, communications of elected officials on the same topic whether it be in person, by phone, through email, or through an intermediary.”

    Quoted from Randy Mendoza Arcata City Manager in a letter to prospective candidates.

    They must at minimum tell the people what the meeting was about.
    Don’t test me on the law son, you will loose every time.

  50. Anonymous
    October 28, 2010 at 1:17 pm

    Hi, TPjr,

    No, I don’t “loose” on this one; having a good deal of experience with closed session meetings, I can assure you that your interpretation of “not reporting the contents of the meeting” is incorrect.

    No action was taken the result of the meeting. If an action had been taken, more specific results would’ve been reported. I’m not trying to be arugmentative here; it’s just that many if not most do not understand the nature of closed session meetings.

    We probably agree more than we disagree, TPjr, its just that you are incorrect on your assumption here, that this is a “gross violation of the Brown Act.” It is not.

  51. A-Nony-Mouse
    October 28, 2010 at 2:37 pm

    In all fairness, I’m pretty sure the council has the right and possibly the duty to hold closed sessions to discuss personel matters that involve private information, and litigation the city is involved in. As stated, the results of such meetings need only be reported if there is ‘final action’ taken as a result. If there is no action, then it is merely information and discussion. These are usually matters that could cause harm to the city or to individuals if discussed in public.

  52. Anonymous
    October 28, 2010 at 3:05 pm

    Hi A-N-Mouse,

    You put it much better than I did at 117! Well said.

  53. Thomas Paine Jr
    October 28, 2010 at 5:23 pm

    As DA’s say “gross” is open to interpretation. I would say a closed door meeting a week before the election, non noticed, initiated by a sitting council member, is a “gross” violation. You may disagree.

  54. Barb Leonard
    October 31, 2010 at 1:39 pm

    ….and BTW, LIE (interesting acronym for Living in Eureka)I always think of you when I drive by that blight of a building on Wabash. Bet keeping that blight from being improved has really helped the value of your neighborhood, huh?

    As for an ordinance on “dog do-do”, who did you expect to enforce such a thing? If you can’t enforce it an ordinance does nothing except make control freaks feel like they have “handled something”.

    Yeah, that cell tower in your neighborhood is a real terrible thing especially when you compare it to the lovely electrical wires and telephone poles not to mention the run down housing along the Harris Street Corridor from 101-E Street.

    Hyperbole abounds here. Try fixing something that needs fixing instead of tilting at windmills. Plant another “street tree”…yeah, that’s the ticket: Keep Eureka beautiful, including that run down Church on Wabash you will have to live with forevermore.

  55. Anonymous
    October 31, 2010 at 1:50 pm

    Does anyone have any idea what Barb Leonard is blathering on about here?

  56. Harold h. Greene
    October 31, 2010 at 1:53 pm

    “As for an ordinance on “dog do-do”, who did you expect to enforce such a thing?”

    I’m surprised you did not mention POP to take care of that. Those guys are there anyway.

  57. Plain Jane
    October 31, 2010 at 2:01 pm

    Not a clue, 1:50. But dog walkers in her neighborhood should know that she doesn’t mind their dogs doing their “doo” in her yard and that might reduce the “doo” in the yards of people who do. How does any city enforce “pick up your own poop” ordinances? No one likes picking up poop, but picking up poop when you don’t even have a pet really sucks!

  58. High Finance
    November 1, 2010 at 6:17 am

    You would have understood Barb’s post if you had only stopped to think before posting.

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