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Almost 13,000 ballots uncounted

The Journal reports that 12,960 ballots have not yet been counted.

If you add this figure to election night’s final tally we’re looking at a local turn-out of 51,670, or 65.9% of eligible Humboldt County votes.

San Francisco is also tens of thousands counted ballots away from knowing its election results.

Don’t expect to know the final numbers for a few weeks when the election is officially certified.

  1. Humboldt Politico
    November 3, 2010 at 7:38 pm

    Even with this many ballots, there is only a chance of a change in three races, maybe.

  2. Redwood
    November 3, 2010 at 8:11 pm

    Does that number include the under ballots?In the DA race there 2600 under ballots.

  3. anon
    November 3, 2010 at 8:18 pm

    Do we know the breakdown by Districts? Cleary and Sundberg are only 93 votes apart….could be interesting.

    and really who, with any intellect, gives a shit about Eureka, let them live with their “tea-bagging” decision to return it to the waste product it once was (can’t wait to see Rex Bohn on City Council—-what an Arkley puppet show!) I will say, however, they did an impressive job on GOTV, although much better funded than the progressives, impressive none the less.

    best of luck driving Eureka back into the ground.

  4. anon
    November 3, 2010 at 8:20 pm

    btw….Rex to get Jager’s cold City Council seat (body bag not included).

  5. anonymous
    November 3, 2010 at 8:39 pm

    Rex is quite popular he will make an Excellent city councilman if Jager appoints him to fill out the term. Talk about getting some shit done…that team will be unstoppable. Right on!

  6. tra
    November 3, 2010 at 8:46 pm

    Whoa, 8:18, that’s pretty harsh!

    I mean if you really do think Eureka is about to crash and burn in such a major way as a result of the election, don’t you at least have any compassion for those who voted against the candidates you so despise? They didn’t create the problem, but if you’re right about how bad things are going to get for Eureka, those voters are going to suffer the consequences, along with other innocents, including those too young to vote.

    Actually, I suspect you DO “give a shit” about Eureka, otherwise you’re reaction would not have been so strong. Look, all that really changed was that the Council went from a 3-2 majority for the Arkleybass faction to a 4-1 majority in their favor, due Brady’s victory over Glass. Yeah, it sucks, but it’s not such a huge change: 4-1 for the status quo instead of 3-2 for the status quo. And there will be another election in two years.

  7. anon
    November 3, 2010 at 8:48 pm

    If you consider spinning in circles “getting some shit done”. The left may have been beaten but will be holding y’alls feet to the fire. good luck! can’t auction your way out of a massive budget deficit that Virginny is leaving you with…….good luck, hope you can pull it off.

  8. High Finance
    November 3, 2010 at 8:51 pm

    8.18 is just a sore loser.

    Rex will make a great city councilman & five of the six will be on the same page & make a great team.

    First thing they should do is find out if Dave Tyson will come back.

  9. November 3, 2010 at 8:52 pm

    Yes, I’m sure they will have to go “find out” about that.

  10. Anon
    November 3, 2010 at 9:08 pm

    Its a Done deal.

  11. anon
    November 3, 2010 at 9:22 pm

    Considering his lunch with RA and CA the other day, I’d say he’s already bought and paid for.

  12. Anonymous
    November 3, 2010 at 10:41 pm

    Way to sound innocent, HiFi. Of course, it’s a done deal re Tyson. He doesn’t want o leave – he felt forced out. He will now have the support to “stay on in this time of need.”

    I’ve had some positive interactions with Dave and like him – was initially surprised to learn about all the scandal surrounding him. Now, in the face of the facts, am surprised people are so willing to overlook his personal transgressions and misjudgments.

    Mostly, though, I’m having a hard time with the idea of Rex Bohn as the new member of the City Council. He’s certainly an involved, hard working, popular member of the community – and a nice guy – but he is SO joined at the hip with special interests (i.e. the Arkley contingent) it’s hard to imagine how he can be objective or unbiased.

  13. November 4, 2010 at 12:27 am

    As someone that doesn’t live in Eureka, I look at this from the outside like most in Humboldt Co. I have to admit that I was more focused on the DA’s race and the 5th district and the 5th may still change depending on where the last 12 thousand plus votes are from. That said, I think Eureka like much of the rest of the country will be dealing with a wave of new and less experienced leaders. This isn’t necessarily a bad thing on a very local level. Maybe these so called more conservative politicians will find a way to cut budgets and lure jobs to the areas they represent.

    On the other hand, if progressives use this mid term to beat themselves into the ground instead of gearing up for what to do in 2012, then the lesson was lost. Brown and Boxer being exceptions to the rule in this last election, it’s all about the money. Progressives need to find a way to get money, lots of it. They are up against all of the corporations in the world that want to do business here. They or almost anyone outside the US can open up a business as a corporation in Delaware and funnel money from overseas through that now US corporation for the purpose of influencing elections.

    We have only seen a test as to how the business world plans to use this new free speech but it has already started in Alaska. One of the groups running ads for Tea Party Candidate Joe Wilson spent too much on old Joe and by law will have to spend up to half that on more generic ads attacking the democratic party and things like clean energy legislation or what ever suits their fancy.

    It’s a whole new world. We have to figure out how to deal with this or go the way of some Twilight Zone episode or the more recent, Republicorp.
    But what do I know? I didn’t see this happening locally like it did.

  14. Walt
    November 4, 2010 at 6:52 am

    “Progressives need to find a way to get money, lots of it.” I know! We could find a country where they have oil, invade it, hang their leaders and take the oil and sell it!! We could make useless drugs, market them as cures for erectile dysfunction and make SCADS of money! We could peddle fraudulent financial instruments, buy congressmen, and bail ourselves out when they go sour! What? Already been done? Never mind. . .

  15. anon
    November 4, 2010 at 7:21 am

    Ya, but union and soros money is just fine. Typical liberal thinking. Whine and cry. boo hoo, we don’t want it fair. Makes me sick.

  16. Ben
    November 4, 2010 at 7:23 am

    For Cleary to overcome the lead that Sundberg has he would have to pull votes at a level that he did not achieve on election night. There are 5687 permanent absentee voters in the 5th and 2212 were counted by election night as reported on the first report. If the level of absentee voting were to be at 75% then there would be an additional 2053 ballots to be counted in the 5th. For Cleary to pass Sundberg he would need 55% of those votes and Sundberg would get 45%, an unexpected change of pattern. We also know that at the Hoopa pricinct, there were 100 absentee ballots, which would be nearly 90% for Sundberg. With that in mind, Cleary would need to pull nearly 60%, and that is most unlikely.

  17. Barb Leonard
    November 4, 2010 at 8:07 am

    FYI, an under ballot is a non-vote for a particular candidate, measure, or proposition so there is nothing to count.

    For whatever reason some people don’t cast a vote for certain candidates, measures or propositions, thus they are called “under votes”.

    Personally, I don’t see the results changing in any of the races by the end of the day. Jackson would have to make up over 1000 votes to beat Gallegos. Nearly impossible because Paul will also gain some votes.

    Kuhnel has 171 votes to make up. Four years ago it was only 86 but it still couldn’t be done.

    Even Cleary’s 93 vote deficit will be a very big hill to climb. What if the ballots to be counted are from Willow Creek and Orleans. (At least that is my guess).
    Sundberg would most probably come out ahead on those votes don’t you think?

    In every election cycle there are “untallied” votes at the end. I cannot remember a time when the result changed for anyone or anything.

    The voting trend this time around was more moderate than I have seen in the past 20 years, so I doubt that trend is going to turn upside down with 75% of the votes already counted.

    Just MO.

  18. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    November 4, 2010 at 8:14 am

    How’s Measure Q doing? It went from 50. something % to 59% in a matter of 2 minutes on election night @ 1:00 am-ish in the morning. Curious for the results and how the number swung so mightily?

    Jeffrey Lytle
    McKinleyville – 5th District

  19. skippy
    November 4, 2010 at 8:22 am

    Can we be the positive Devil’s advocate here? What could really happen?

    There a whole new flavor on the Council, and a new City Manager, Finance Director, and Attorney coming in as well. Rex, too? He’s a good guy for action and not neccessarily the same old tired status quo.

    Ms. Neely’s out, Virginia’s in. What else will be changing on a County level? Will other conservative and pro-business forces align? You betcha they will. Will HELP and CPR organizations coordinate to open up building and development? Yes. Will more rezoning and development happen? Yes. Are Kirk Girard’s days limited? Probably. Will Paul Gallegos clean up this town of crime and neer-do-wells, filling the jail versus Ms. Jackson’s perspective? Well, probably not.

    Will Mr. RA consolidate forces? Of course. He has a fine-tuned machine, a quick mind, and some initimdating planning power in his grasp.

    Say what you like, but an older yet very active City Council in years past (Jager, Madsen, et al., under City Manager Harvey Rose) single handedly razed and improved large sections of the waterfront; meanwhile, principally Mr. RA and a few other developers (Danco, Kramer, etc.) moved ahead quickly and demolished/improved entire City blocks for the better, on a scale that hadn’t been seen before.

    Where is this going? Maybe Eureka will turn out for the better? Developed, improved, aggressive and pro-active, sparkling and shiny? A better atmosphere for business activity? Old dilapidated buildings further torn down and replaced, new housing divisions built, building permits easier to obtain, dock facilities, shipping, trucking, and perhaps even lumber, revived?

    Progressives, artists, non-profits, and neer-do-wells can only do so much to improve things. Now there’s a whole new posse in town looking to change and do business. The sky isn’t going to fall. Maybe it WILL be for the BETTER?

    Just sayin’ in the Devil’s Advocate kinda way– if you look at what’s happened historically and what seems to be on the horizon now…

  20. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    November 4, 2010 at 8:26 am

    Tom wrote,

    “But what do I know? I didn’t see this happening locally like it did.”

    Response: the reality you discuss is due to political corruption, locally. When a local 2 party system is in control, the pendulum is sure to swing back and forth at the expense of the community. This area has problems mostly because local politicians abuse its own citizen base. The fact that people/voters can’t decide “outside of mainstream politics” is proof that most voters are no where near having the political preternatural skills that are required to live a life of understanding in America.

    Tenure in politics for many is about representing the special interests only while playing mind games with the truly needy and shell games with those who are lining their political careers and pockets through servicing those who are politically accepted by the political insides themselves.

    This election is ONLY CHANGING FACES AND NAMES, not political or social reality.

    JL

  21. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    November 4, 2010 at 8:33 am

    Skippy, will you also elaborate on the financial dealings/processes which allowed the RA, Kramer types, etc.. the pennies on the dollar transactions created by city government officials who break laws and create frictions – like the Eureka Fire Department video I saw of the Vance Hotel prior to the city stealing the building out-right through manipulating (pretensive pre-meditated actions) legal processes and laws. What was the building had for, “$106,000.00” or “$126,000.00”, can’t exactly remember, but there sure was much of the city mandated construction work that was completed as part of the surreptitious city set-up to steal an asset from a despised local citizen (politically by the political insiders) to give to a local political insider or few. TRUTH!

    JL

  22. Mitch
    November 4, 2010 at 8:39 am

    HoJ 8:14,

    Numbers jump in “minutes” because you have several hours of changes released at once. Numbers “jump” because early absentee ballots always skew differently than precinct ballots. That’s based on differences between the average early absentee voter and the average precinct voter, combined with differences between the campaign efforts in getting people to send their ballots in early.

    Not to mention that irrelevant news might leak past our press guardians, and cause people to cast an informed ballot.

  23. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    November 4, 2010 at 8:43 am

    Thanks Mitch,

    I figured that, but it would also mean that lumps of votes(precincts) may be more heavily skeded on vote results.

    Is there a way to cull the votes in order to establish which Measure Q yes votes came from Arcata ilk and which Yes votes came from Mickinleyville ilk?

    JL

  24. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    November 4, 2010 at 8:44 am

    “skewed”

    JL

  25. Anon
    November 4, 2010 at 8:56 am

    I vote Skippy for Commish of something…you’re Right about Rex Bohn he put his own pmey into Redwood fields, he’s raised $100s of $10,000s of $$dollars$$ for local non profits and good causes! We need people like Rex in positions to set policy. Its time we had a council that isnt afraid to look at the budget; but my opinion is Mr Tyson should take a more active role…what has been going on at city hall to make him give up and quit??

  26. anon
    November 4, 2010 at 9:04 am

    Let’s see if Tyson is still welcomed back after the city has to pay Hansen for his misdeeds.

  27. StraightUp
    November 4, 2010 at 9:10 am

    Bohn-head is only “popular” with those allied with his owners. The rest of us see through him.

  28. High Finance
    November 4, 2010 at 9:10 am

    Tom Sebourn “progressives need to find a way to get money, lots of it”, so says he at 12.27am.

    Uh Tom? How about working for it? Save your money, invest it prudently. Start a business & work like a dog & live like a pauper for years while you build that business up. If you’re in school, stay in school. If you dropped out, go back. Stay away from drugs, including pot. No more working 8am to 5pm, put in long hours.

    Stop giving businesses & business owners crap. Embrace them for the jobs they provide and the services & products they provide. Study them & learn from them. Help them succeed because if they do, you do.

    In short, give up everything that defines you as a “progressive”.

  29. Anon
    November 4, 2010 at 9:12 am

    Rex put his own $$Money$$ into Redwood Fields

  30. November 4, 2010 at 9:18 am

    Thanks for lumping me with neer-do-wells. How about live/work spaces for artists.

    Progressives, artists, non-profits, and neer-do-wells can only do so much to improve things. Now there’s a whole new posse in town looking to change and do business. The sky isn’t going to fall. Maybe it WILL be for the BETTER?

    -an artist

  31. November 4, 2010 at 9:26 am

    8:56 wrote, “what has been going on at city hall to make him give up and quit??

    I was told by someone in the know it was Larry Glass’ “bullying” of him that made Tyson want to resign.

  32. Anon
    November 4, 2010 at 9:30 am

    A lot of HSU students voted and probably voted for the school bond even though they may not live here and will never have to pay for it.

    No way to tell where the votes came from or where the almost 13,000 ballots are from either for any of the other races. Some close races could change though.

    The County’s budget is not going to be in good shape next year as it have already been mentioned that the state taking money away from various programs has made more than a large dent in the budget.

  33. anonymous
    November 4, 2010 at 9:31 am

    bullying, how ironic,since that’s what Tyson does to those under him

  34. November 4, 2010 at 9:31 am

    I was told by someone in the know it was Larry Glass’ “bullying” of him that made Tyson want to resign.

    Poor Dave. Maybe he should start a “global investigation.”

  35. November 4, 2010 at 9:43 am

    I chatted briefly with Carolyn Crnich this morning at Loleta Bakery and told her, she has a lot of work to do today! She smiled and looked cheerful. It will take awhile to count 13,000 ballots.

    ‘Might be a good time to take a mini-vacation away from politics. Kristabel and MrEsquan had the right idea about going to Mexico during election season.
    Thank you to all the candidates that ran for public office. It ain’t easy and politics is nasty everywhere.

  36. Mitch
    November 4, 2010 at 9:56 am

    HoJ,

    Once the official results are released, there is a precinct by precinct report. I don’t know if the elections office releases preliminary data that way; I suspect they wait until they’ve got final numbers.

  37. Angel
    November 4, 2010 at 10:02 am

    Carol, how’s the bread at Loleta Bakery? How does it compare to Brio and North Coast breads?

  38. November 4, 2010 at 10:13 am

    My favorite local bread is Brio Whole Wheat with sunflower seeds, but it is not always available. Loleta Bakery has been selling out all their bread at the Fortuna and Garberville Farmer Markets, according to Jeannie, the owner. I love eating sandwiches from the bakery at lunch, as it comes with a salad and/or fresh soup. I understand that on Fridays they make a chicken pot pie and people call in early in the morning to reserve a slice. My new favorite is the morning bran muffin. I can justify eating it, because it is bran. The raspberry/almond muffin is hard to beat. they also a rustic french, which is great with soup.

  39. Mitch
    November 4, 2010 at 10:14 am

    Uh Tom? How about working for it? Save your money, invest it prudently. Start a business & work like a dog & live like a pauper for years while you build that business up. If you’re in school, stay in school. If you dropped out, go back. Stay away from drugs, including pot. No more working 8am to 5pm, put in long hours.

    So, HiFi, is that the route you took? Did your parents by any chance help you out with some seed capital? Did you by any chance go to a publicly-funded university? Ever need a publicly-funded hospital? Did you ever, by any chance, find that connections made by your parents or other relatives proved helpful? Was it helpful to not die in your young years, thanks to a government that actually checked into food safety?

    If you started out with a few thousand dollars or more you could risk, have you ever known what it feels like to have to choose between entrepreneurial risk and feeding the kids?

    How would you feel if you invested your money prudently and Bernie Madoff made off with it?

    What about if your business was in an area with no political clout, and your entire neighborhood was condemned so that a Rockefeller could put up “urban renewal” in the form of the WTC? (Real story of my parents; while I mourn for the PEOPLE who were hurt on 9/11, I can’t say I was sad to see those fucking monstrosities come down.)

    What about if you listened to the people who told you it would be a great deal to go into the military in exchange for school, and then your President decided to invade a country that was no threat to us. What if you ended up with PTSD and a drug problem, and had to listen to assholes giving out free Horatio Alger stories?

    What if it turns out you were born in Mexico and have lived here with your undocumented parents since you were one year old, and now you’re forced back to Mexico, where you know no one, because it turns out to be helpful to some politicians to target your VERY hard-working parents?

    George W. Bush destroyed every enterprise he ever touched and yet went on to be offered the chance to destroy the whole country (and others, too!). I can’t blame people if they’re a bit cynical about updating the Horatio Alger story.

  40. Angel
    November 4, 2010 at 10:17 am

    Carol, that respberry/almond muffin sounds great! Did you know that Los Bagels is selling their own bread now? They have a good 6-grain loaf that is dairy free.

    By the way, isn’t chicken pot pie too soupy to sell by the slice?

  41. High Finance
    November 4, 2010 at 11:03 am

    No Mitch, my parents did not help me. My father was dead & we were dirt poor. But my mother raised us to not tolerate any self pity or excuses, to work hard, look to the future & be frugal.

    My sister & I learned those lessons & our brother did not. We have succeeded & he did not. My mother also accomplished quite a lot but not until her 50’s.

    My mother also taught us compassion to those willing to learn the above lessons & help them where we can. She had no patience for slackers, whiners or users. I can say that I give far more to charity than you ever have.

  42. skippy
    November 4, 2010 at 11:05 am

    I don’t want to get too off topic here– it’s about the 13,000 uncounted ballots– and Heraldo doesn’t like too much deviation nor long or ‘copy and paste’ posts (this as an FYI to other readers) though he is patient in this regard.

    That said, HofJ @8:33 mentioned the Vance. The Vance Building was indeed a turning point; the owner, an inherited and wealthy kind of odd guy, let the building languish and dilapidate for years in some kind of power-struggle standoff with the City. It was a mess, he invited transients to live there, did some ramshackle work without permits or plans, and the final straw was storing large containers of combustible materials there. It sure DID look like he was going to burn it down. Pissing off and threatening everyone in the meanwhile didn’t help, either. So the City took it, more or less. Good thing. Look at the Vance now; it’s restored and beautiful, a Herculean effort. We wondered whether or not it could even be done. The Professional Building was a similar situation– only the owner was running a financial Ponzi scheme, ripped off citizens shamelessly, busted, and passed away shortly thereafter with little restitution for his victims and a crumbling eyesore of a building. These are good examples of developers having the equity, risk, and wherewithal to improve what dubious individuals could not do for themselves or for our city.

    For Anon at 8:56 and 9:12, Rex IS a good guy. I don’t know him too well, but participated in two fundraisers where he freely gave his time. He’s always helping out the community freely without compensation and genuinely treats everyone like a friend. I appreciate his involvement, selflessness, and good spirits towards others.

    Hi-Fi at 9:10 is right on; work hard, save your money, invest it, and if you reap any rewards through risk and perseverence, then you honestly earned it by doing what you’re supposed to do.

    For artist-Anon at 9:18, sorry for lumping you in with neer-do-wells. Mea culpa. You deserve better. There’s certainly a space for you and the artist community that has contributed greatly to improving our fair City. In a strange relationship of bedfellows, you’re complementary to developer’s efforts to build a better place to work and live, just not massive reconstruction projects. My apologies. Yes, there’s a space for you!

    Fred, I love you and your blog. Certainly you must be aware of more going on than merely a personal issue or some supposed hearsay ‘bullying’ of the City Manager by a single council member? Scandals, lawsuits, missing money, financial irregularities and the temporary plugs, sewer contracts missing, a less than subordinate attitude towards the bosses… and being called on it? You’re an informed guy and hip on the news, you have an inkling here. Don’t get me wrong, either, Mr. Tyson has done a good job in most respects, it appears. City Managers always seem to be criticized, serve at the pleasure of the Council, and come and go routinely, along with the usual fire and brimstone baptism of sorts.

    And Carol Conners had the right idea and post at 9:43. Time for a vacation! I hope Ms. Crnich will be able to have one when the counting’s over. From my observation she works incredibly hard, has excellent standards for staff, and does a top-notch job without complacency, too.

    I need to go now. Heraldo will ban me for being too long and off topic– and our fair citizens will come to the house with flaming torches and pitchforks.

  43. Sam Spade
    November 4, 2010 at 11:23 am

    The problem with Rex is this is a small town and too many people are aware of his free enterprise activities on the sly while he was a bartender downtown. How many people scored from him or know someone who scored from him? These folks are shameless enough to arrogantly wave checks so I have no doubt they have no problem installing “their guy” no matter how sorted his past is. His defenders will either 1) deny what far too many people already know as true, or 2) dismiss his shenanigans as “ancient history”. I know Rex, he’s a poster boy for self-absorbed narcissism. His meglamania will fit well with babbling Brady and Jager the Coroner

  44. Mitch
    November 4, 2010 at 11:24 am

    HiFi,

    If what you say is true, you are an exception to the rule. But your background may explain your belief system. (To be blunt, I don’t believe you. Not much way to check, though, given your anonymity.)

  45. Miss Understanding
    November 4, 2010 at 12:05 pm

    Hi-Fi had such a great post at 11:03, but yours truly does wish the last 4 words were left out simply for charity’s sake.

    Mitch, your points were equally excellent, but we should never make successful listening points too personally directed even as frustrating as a different opinion can be. Yes, this same humble advice regards Hi-Fi, too. Thank you both for your kind consideration in this regard and of our small community here.

    Carol, thank you for your kind tips about Loleta Bakery. We had no idea and would certainly love to give it a wonderful audition soon. It sounds simply delightful.

    The things you learn here…

  46. November 4, 2010 at 12:18 pm

    Hi Finance, I am on call 24/7. I leave the house at about 8:45 am and return at about 7:30 pm. Not too many people want to hire someone part time that may have to up and go to their other job when something there breaks.

    Surly you’re not saying that some hourly employee can trade enough of their time for dollars to run for office. After payroll taxes and medical insurance, car payments and insurance for that, property taxes and utilities, I would have to wait until I am 3 or 4 hundred years old until I had enough stashed away to make a serious run at politics. That is, if I didn’t get sick.

    But why am I making this point? You have already agreed with me that to run for office you need money and lots of it!

  47. Anonymous
    November 4, 2010 at 12:39 pm

    Progressives were simply out-organized and out-hustled in this last election. Sure the conservatives have money, but that wasn’t the main factor. The conservatives had a focused meeting point – the chamber of commerce (ironically at taxpayer expense), they developed a plan, selected candidates, hit the streets and stuck to the plan. It works.
    They put more yard signs, more of them came to my door, they sent more letters to the editor, they talked to more neighbors, and they stood on more corners on election day.
    The liberals/progressives could do the same thing and with organization even the money can be raised lots of small donations) .
    One problem this time was a lack of a Eureka location for progressives to meet and organize. Is there a progressive equivalent of the chamber of commerce? If a place existed, some of these details could be worked out. It is also an opportunity to define talking points (make it simple), select candidates, organize group fund raisers (for a slate of candidates), and work out issues such as multiple progressives vying for the same position.
    In short, I see this election about progressives being complacent (not the candidates, but people like me), and the conservatives developing a message and hitting the streets.

  48. Reinventing The Wheel
    November 4, 2010 at 12:41 pm

    According to the 2010 Forbes Billionaires list, in the last 12 months their average net-worth increased by $500 million and there are 218 more of them! India gained 25 new billionaires!

    Like the last Gilded Age, the poor are bearing the brunt while the rich reap the boom.

    “Skill, hard work and sacrifice…”? HA HA HA…

    It’s difficult to teach the values of hard work in a reality of inherited dynasties, corruption, fraud, and a rigged political system, little wonder that so many youths don’t bother trying, and so few Americans vote. It’s a cynical and foolish government that divests from its own human resources that need a hand-up, not a handout.

    Progressive democrats will never have the capability to play by the current rules and raise competitive funds from foreign sources, like the U.S. Chamber of Commerce does.

    If history is any indication, this nation will continue its decline until the right and left agree on the excesses of corporate capital. Just as they once agreed on the excesses of the crown.

    TRA 8:46 nailed it. Eureka’s political majority has always remained with the candidates funded by the development community. Nothing has changed.

    And until eligible voters actually register, (unreported), and more than half turnout, local politics will remain corrupted by the highest bidders.

    (My sources informed me that Polly Endert’s name came up for possible appointment to the vacated Eureka city council seat).

  49. Carol
    November 4, 2010 at 12:59 pm

    I have not tried the chicken pot pie at Loleta Bakery. I have only heard about it. I am not sure if it is served as an idividual pie or a slice. The people ‘in the know’ told me about it and how one had to call early Friday mornings to reserve it for lunch. Chicken Pot Pie is not allowed on my diet.
    :)

  50. humboldturtle
    November 4, 2010 at 1:04 pm

    It’s Money. Poor people don’t have enough to compete.

    Eureka!

  51. Anonymous
    November 4, 2010 at 1:19 pm

    humboldturtle,
    If 200 progressives each donated $50 to a candidate they’d have more than enough to compete. Yes, times are tough, but if it’s not worth $50.00, then maybe it’s not a big deal who gets elected.
    Set aside $5 a month (three cups of coffee) for politics and you are there. Again, it comes down to being organized and wanting to win elections. If you organize, the money can be raised.
    Then again, you can do nothing and just complain when it’s over.

  52. anonymous
    November 4, 2010 at 1:26 pm

    Anonymous at 12:39.

    My sentiments exactly. Money helps but it’s the base of your supporters – the broader the better – that really helps win elections. I don’t see the progressive leadership trying to build that base. Of course, why are we waiting for them to do it?

  53. Anonymous
    November 4, 2010 at 1:33 pm

    Polly Endert would be an interesting choice to fill the vacancy. Wonder if she would be interested in doing that though.

  54. Redwood
    November 4, 2010 at 2:02 pm

    My liberal ex-wife votes in Eureka.She’s a visual voter.She thought Bass was cute and Neely endorsing AJax sealed the deal.Bass got her vote.She thinks the Balloon is ugly and doesn’t care who makes it pretty.Just do it.She said she’d never seen Glass smile.Good Bye.Paul got her vote because she saw his family at an event and liked what she saw.
    Go figure.

  55. Barb Leonard
    November 4, 2010 at 2:30 pm

    FYI, Polly lives in the second district so she can’t fill Frank’s seat.

    Polly has “been there done that” when Virginia vacated her seat to run for Mayor she filled the District 2 chair.

  56. High Finance
    November 4, 2010 at 2:41 pm

    Miss Understanding. You should change your name to “Miss Manners”. I am humbled & contrite.

    Tom Sebourn. I was speaking of the left in general. Running for office has become ridiculously expensive & nobody can self finance anymore.

    Mitch, you don’t need to take my word for it. I am the norm among successful people and not the exception. For every trust fund baby or lottery winner there are 50 like me.

  57. Vietnam vet
    November 4, 2010 at 3:15 pm

    I really don’t think Rex would want the seat..There are a lot of us who live here and grew up here that know of some of the seedy side of Rex and some of his buddies..Dealing with some very difficult situations of offloading things..Remember when Rex’s son had his little problem and Rex came to his defense..Rex is smart he would never put himself in a position for people who did buy things from him when they were younger to come forward and speak up..And there are a bunch.I wonder how Reg and Brendan are these days.

  58. High Finance
    November 4, 2010 at 4:37 pm

    Rex hasn’t been appointed nor expressed interest in the open seat & already the smears have started? Already veiled threats are being made against him? And you guys aren’t even ashamed?

    Are there no decent liberals anymore that would denounce the slime from “sparky” and “vietnam vet”????

  59. tra
    November 4, 2010 at 4:52 pm

    Well, my politics don’t quite fit neatly into the label “liberal,” but I do think that these anonymous insinuations against Bohn are despicable. Unlike the revelation that Sundberg had a recent DUI — which although the tipster was anonymous, was at least confirmable by consulting the public record — I think that this anonymous attack on Bohn DOES qualify as a smear, and I think it would be fair to call this a prime example of “dirty politics.” It’s the internet equivalent of an old-fashioned “whispering campaign.” My feeling about whispering campaigns is that if you have to whisper your allegations they are probably not true, especially if you also choose to hide your face while you do it.

    Now if someone wants to come forward and make the accusation publicly, and under their real name, well, I guess they have every right to do that. Personally I still wouldn’t approve of it, given that it’s NOT a matter of public record, it’s alleged to have happened in the pretty distant past, and it’s just going to come down to one person’s word against another’s. But at least if the accuser identified themselves, we could try to judge their credibility. At the moment they have less than zero credibility.

    [I notice that the insinuators don’t even specify what substance Bohn was allegedly “slinging.” If it was only ganja, then perhaps he should be praised for offering a less-harmful alternative to alcohol. Just kiddin’ on that last point…mostly.]

  60. Anonymous
    November 4, 2010 at 5:30 pm

    Hey, nobody has the perfect past. Larry, you, me, ??? Let’s let bygones be bygones and focus on those who have chosen to improve or change their life, leaving their seedy past behind. There are few people without a few skeletons in their closet, but sometimes those are the most determined to turn their life around.

  61. Anonymous
    November 4, 2010 at 5:31 pm

    WTF!!Rex owned the 4th street connection over 30 years ago.We all have a DIRTY BUTT from that long ago and if say you don’t then you lie like a BITCH DOG. Remember don’t throw rocks if you live in a glass house. I don’t know anyone that wants Rex out of his own ballpark. Yes the land was deeded to him. Lots of great people donated time, money and energy so your kids can have a nice safe place to play. How did Rex’s name get thrown into this mess any how?RUMORS!!! and LIES!! that all this crap is. Get a life

  62. Anonymous
    November 4, 2010 at 5:43 pm

    My politics are (moderate) liberal and I am offended by the implications about Rex. I’ve seen him work tirelessly at many, many charitable functions and know how much effort he put into developing the Redwood fields. I know Rex and admire his dedication to the community – and his son. I’m sorry people are trying to denigrate his character – and before his name has even been officially put forth. That said, I’m skeptical about him filling this vacancy because of his strong ties to certain members of the community. He’s a good guy but this might not be a good place for him.

  63. Anon
    November 4, 2010 at 5:56 pm

    There has been some real ugly posts here. I guess some of you don’t like the outcome of the election. Well it is what it is and you just deal with it and try to do better the next time.

    Plain Jane seems to need some help here. May need medications for depression after the election. Maybe in a few days she will calm down. She seems a little off the wall to me. I did not especially like everything that was voted on that passed, but I am not going to boycott businesses. I buy things at Piersons and Ace in different locations depending on where I am at the time and even buy things at Home Depot in Crescent City if I am there. So far the sky has not fallen on me for buying at any of those stores. It is just a matter of who has got what I want to buy. Home Depot does not carry lots of things that Piersons and Ace carry. Home Depot does not seem to be putting Ace out of business in Crescent City.

    With the increased sales tax in Eureka I may have to shop Kmart and Ace in McKinleyville and maybe while I am there I will also go to Safeway and Rays as some things I buy in grocery stores have taxes that will be now be higher in Eureka. Guess I will have to get over it with Costco though as I buy taxable stuff there too.

  64. anon1
    November 4, 2010 at 7:44 pm

    Well I see positioning going on but for what? The Coastal commish decides. What is the big picture here. What is the over all plan for the future by obviously rob supported candidates. What can they do for him that couldn’t be done before?lots of insinuations but what exactly is a slinger?guy has a lot of Women or ? what does someones past have to do with now?

  65. anonymous
    November 4, 2010 at 7:59 pm

    FYI – Rex does not live in Eureka but Cutten. I do not think that he can be a Eureka council member, but I could be wrong.

    Also, with 13,000 votes and almost 6,000 of them mail ins, we could see a change in the DAs race as Jackson got 60% of mail-ins. She could make up the difference and then who knows…? So long as the arent all Arcata or So Hum, she could stand a chance.

    It aint over til it’s over…

  66. Anonymous
    November 4, 2010 at 8:22 pm

    FYI Rex lives right across the street from Virginia.

  67. anonymous
    November 4, 2010 at 9:04 pm

    Okay, but I thought that he was in the 1st District, not the 4th. But, like I said, I could be wrong.

  68. Ne'er-do-well
    November 4, 2010 at 9:21 pm

    Hey Skippy, thanks for the name recognition. I been feelin a little lonely lately, kinda like nobody wants to play with me. Nice having a dance partner, hope you don’t take that the wrong way. Your feel good speech has me feelin all warm and fuzzy; dang optimistic, and I just know everthing will turn out just fucking (whoops, that turrets thing again) hunkey dory.

  69. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    November 4, 2010 at 9:25 pm

    Mitch – Thanks upthread

    Skippy – interesting Vance description, a bit skewed toward the city, process wise nonetheless (kinda a Titlow Hill type example actually). Now, can you explain the city’s previous interest in the Vance from the 1970’s I believe?

    JL

  70. Redwood
    November 4, 2010 at 10:11 pm

    Math wiz tells me after crunching all the numbers going back 10 years of HumCo stats for elections that the uncounted votes are as follows : Eureka city 2000,Arcata city-2200,Fortuna-800,Ferndale-200,rioDell-400,SoHum-1400.the remaining votes are by District- 1st-900,2nd-600,3rd-1000,4th-950 & 5th-1400…These numbers have a plus or minus of 20% to be safe.Have Fun.

  71. The Challenger
    November 4, 2010 at 10:16 pm

    Anon 5:56 says because of the 1/2% sales tax increase in Eureka he may have to start shopping in McKinleyville. Give us a break. That increase means he’d have to pay a piddly $5 more on $1000 in purchases. The gas alone going to McKinleyville would cost that much!

  72. Anon
    November 5, 2010 at 12:37 am

    McKinleyville has less taxes than just got voted in as they are in the county. Probably less than the gas to get there as Eureka has already a higher tax rate as does Arcata.

  73. Anonymous
    November 5, 2010 at 8:21 am

    Sorry Anon 12:37 – I’m with The Challenger on this one. Anyone who goes substantially out of their way for the current tax difference doesn’t value their time and must be driving an electric car, because the gas alone makes it a wash. Maybe it’s worth it for a big ticket item, but good luck with the selection of those items in MacVille.

  74. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    November 5, 2010 at 8:23 am

    The Challenger makes a good point, especially if not having a good paying job makes one’surchases well below a cumulative total of $1,0000.00.

    Yet, don’t count your eggs because costs keep going uppidy up.

    Society breaks down when costs are insurmountable.

    Costs are insurmountable when the consumer does not make the earnings that the producer/profiteer is making with proximity to the products (especially products society is FORCED OR COMPELED to consume) that are generally accepted as being normal purchases in everyday lifestyles.

    Economics is EASY TO UNDERSTAND.

    JL

  75. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    November 5, 2010 at 8:25 am

    “one’s purchases”

    the change in format of “write-in the smaller box to post into a larger box sure messes with my proof-reading lack of skills, lol (really though, I still have yet to master the keyboard lay-out of a lap-top compared to a PC).

    JL

  76. High Finance
    November 5, 2010 at 9:02 am

    Rex lives in the 1st Supervisorial district. I don’t know what ward he lives in for the Eureka City Council.

  77. Redwood
    November 5, 2010 at 9:04 am

    I just don’t see the conservative sweep. All county tax measures passed.Newman got less than 50%.Dems swept state slate.9,000 Eureka voters can’t dictate trends for the whole county even if every one of them voted conservative – which didn’t happen.If all 15,000 registered voters of Eureka voted the council would be left leaning.

  78. skippy for commish?
    November 5, 2010 at 9:24 am

    Elections are over. It’s the weekend. Time for a respite and by decree, vacation and raises for everyone! And some humorous befitting quotes by Will Rogers?:

    “There is nothing so stupid as the educated man if you get him off the thing he was educated in.

    “What the country needs is dirtier fingernails and cleaner minds.

    “When the Oakies left Oklahoma and moved to California, it raised the I.Q. of both states.

    “When you put down the good things you ought to have done, and leave out the bad ones you did do well, that’s Memoirs.

    “The more you observe politics, the more you’ve got to admit that each party is worse than the other.

    “The only time people dislike gossip is when you gossip about them.

    “There are three kinds of men. The one that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves.

    “Lettin’ the cat outta the bag is a whole lot easier ‘n puttin’ it back in.

    “I read about eight newspapers in a day. When I’m in a town with only one newspaper, I read it eight times.

    “Even if you’re on the right track, you’ll get run over if you just sit there.

    “Don’t ever criticize anyone on their lack of education. Everybody is ignorant, only on different subjects.

    “Good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgment.”

    (All quotes by Will Rogers, humorist, cowboy, vaudeville performer, actor; 1879-1935)

    ~Have a good weekend, all.

  79. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    November 5, 2010 at 10:05 am

    “When the Oakies left Oklahoma and moved to California, it raised the I.Q. of both states.

    Response: Ummm, growing up, McKinleyville was called Oklahoma by the Sea. Truth!

    JL

  80. Anonymous
    November 5, 2010 at 10:05 am

    Skippy – thanks for a good laugh

  81. Reinventing The Wheel
    November 5, 2010 at 11:21 am

    “The elections are over”…so, how many votes did Lance Madsen get?

    How many eligible voters are actually registered in Eureka?

  82. Plain Jane
    November 5, 2010 at 12:28 pm

    I always heard it called “Tulsa by the Sea.”

  83. A-Nony-Mouse
    November 5, 2010 at 3:07 pm

    In spite of all the rumors, we’re still here. We still oppose turning the Balloon Track into another big box maul. We know for fact that the ONLY reason a REAL cleanup will happen on the BT is because BayKeeper sued and the judge ORDERED SecNat to do it right. SN can plead that it was a ‘compromise’ but they did it because they knew damn well what they had offered was not going to pass muster
    .
    Now the ultimate zoning will be decided by the Coastal Commission. The City Council will have nothing more to say about it. Don’t forget there is still a pending lawsuit over the adequacy of the MC EIR that could torpedo poor Robby’s whole plan.
    So before you crow and strut that the Marina Center’s a done deal, look at the facts (did you ever?) and you’ll see MILES to go before it rests.
    No, we’re not gone. Stay tuned. There is still hope for reasoned growth and positive development, just not at the Balloon Track.
    And why is it people named Mike keep showing up drunk in public? Nothing specific, just a general trend, I guess.

  84. A-Nony-Mouse
    November 5, 2010 at 3:33 pm

    Actually our whole reason for being is to lay around on the public dole just to be thorns in HiFi’s side. We oppose everything and everyone and certainly don’t want Eureka to become a beautiful desireable place to live (too many people would move here). We love toxic dumps like the Balloon Track and look forward to the congestion Arkley will bestow upon Broadway. The intoxicating aromas of even more exhaust fumes, ah, how sweet! A big wall of ticky tacky architecture is obviously much nicer than open space showing the town and the mountains.
    Pfaw on the view! Hurry, Robby. We just can’t wait for more jobs to be lost and more cheap crap to pile up on our streets. What a joy to live in Eureka!

    Some of you guys (HiFi) are dumber than a box of rocks!

  85. Redwood
    November 5, 2010 at 5:20 pm

    Eureka had 14,168 & 14,725 reg.voters in 06 & 08.Estimates are about the same this time – 14,820 voters. 7153 Eureka votes have been counted so far this year with around 2000 more to count.

  86. High Finance
    November 5, 2010 at 7:36 pm

    Nobody “crow & strut that the Marina Center is a done deal” Mouse.

    As far as Mike drunk in public, why are you participating in a despicable personal smear? Especially hiding behind a pseudo name like a coward.

    Sounds like you are very bitter to find out that you & your buddies are such a small minority in this town. Sounds like you are as far gone as PJ. Get over it. Maybe you would be happier in Arcata?

  87. Anon
    November 5, 2010 at 8:02 pm

    It sucks to lose, HiFi dont sweat it. Everyone who saw Mike election night knows he wasn’t even drinking. It is funny though…campaigning was a little crazy and one of the candidates said ‘Peter is a drunk’-I corrected that person too.

  88. Mr. Nice
    November 5, 2010 at 8:07 pm

    Fucking drunk in public assholes.

    Shouldn’t be a crime but still, folks should go the fuck home if they are gonna abuse the most damaging drug as of yet known.

  89. Plain Jane
    November 5, 2010 at 8:13 pm

    Yeah, because boycotting businesses whose owners contribute to causes and politicians we oppose is just NUTS!

  90. Big Al
    November 5, 2010 at 8:37 pm

    from what I saw on the KIEM election (live) coverage Mike couldn’t even finish a sentence!
    he was impaired somehow, I hope he was drunk, either that or he is mega stupid.
    maybe my little friend at KIEM will get me a copy of the air check, I know they record their shows…

  91. Anon
    November 5, 2010 at 9:04 pm

    you guys are pathetic… Big Al

  92. Redwood
    November 5, 2010 at 10:38 pm

    Big Al’s right – even Betsy at ch3 rolled her eyes after he butchered the same phrase 4 times in his 90 second interview at around 11:20 pm..Agreed hope he was drunk and who cares anyway it’s legal.Avalon = the Good stuff with French names.BTW I don’t know Mike nor have a dog in this hunt.A You Tube video will be up soon and you all can see for yourselves.Cheers.

  93. Big Al
    November 6, 2010 at 12:13 am

    thanks Redwood, please do post that save me from going to pick one up myself…
    I don’t make shit up, don’t care if you don’t like it.
    sorry he did it, but thats the facts, he was on friggin’ tv for all to see.
    sorry you missed it.
    off to a great start there Mike!

  94. anon1
    November 6, 2010 at 6:40 am

    is it possible with the city managers help that the election could be electronically changed?how could almost every candidate that Arkley supported win..I saw Arkley across from Larry’s music store on Thurs walking up and down in front of larry’s store looking in the windows smiling and laughing. All of you upstanding citizens backing how wrong it is for people telling the truth about Rex. What about a BILLIONAIRE acting like that. Now that Larry is not on the council does he have a gag order or can Larry tell the truth about all the corruption in Eureka with the rumors of Dave Tyson and Virginia and the law suits against the city,etc..Is there a law that says he can’t tell us all everything, NOW!

  95. Mitch
    November 6, 2010 at 7:06 am


    is it possible with the city managers help that the election could be electronically changed?

    Elections are managed by the county, so the City Manager plays no particular role. Also, all ballots are counted both by the Hart system and by the independent transparency project.

    how could almost every candidate that Arkley supported win..

    More voters chose to vote for the candidates who Arkley supported than the other candidates. That’s how.

    I saw Arkley across from Larry’s music store on Thurs walking up and down in front of larry’s store looking in the windows smiling and laughing.

    If that’s true, take pity on the man.

  96. anon1
    November 6, 2010 at 8:10 am

    Mitch you sound sharp. Answer the others too, please

  97. Walt
    November 6, 2010 at 8:34 am

    “In Ancient Greece, Aristotle argued (Rhetoric 2.8) that before a person can feel pity for another human, the person must first have experienced suffering of a similar type, and the person must be somewhat distanced or removed from the sufferer.”

  98. Anonymous
    November 6, 2010 at 8:49 am

    Arkley is not a billionaire. Do you see him on Forbes’ list? Never has been.

  99. skippy
    November 6, 2010 at 9:00 am

    “And you, madam, are ugly. But I shall be sober in the morning.”

    – Winston Churchill, replying to Bessie Braddock who told him he was drunk.

  100. Anon
    November 6, 2010 at 10:07 am

    Hahahahahaha…good point Skippy! XO

  101. Redwood
    November 6, 2010 at 12:36 pm

    Now that they lost their seats,will Larry & Jeff give up their spots on the MMJ selection committee?How did Arcatan Hagen end up the third wheel on that same committee?

  102. Anonymous
    November 6, 2010 at 1:28 pm

    Practically nobody applied to be on the committee, that’s how. Plus Hagen was fill-in City Attorney under auspices of Law Office of Bragg, etc. during the vacancy caused by Schaffner’s departure.

  103. November 6, 2010 at 2:54 pm

    My first thought when Bass — out of the blue! — got 48% of the vote in June was ballot machine tampering!!

    But (1) I am naturally paranoid and suspicious; (2) have not heard a thing from Our Vote Transparency Friends; but (3) I have not Googled or asked them; and (4) even though Bonnie Neely and Bass are both Humboldt home-grown, Bass, it seems to me, may have be more “popular” because she was their waitress for so long!

    I am just thinking out loud. But I wish We the People would hear something definitive from the Vote Transparency verifiers — so the We could conduct a Smart Meeting — and figure out what We did wrong, and how We could do better in the future!!

    Does anybody know about either the conclusions of the Transparency Friends or how We goofed up?

  104. November 6, 2010 at 2:56 pm

    Oops! Ignore the obvious failure to re-read goofs!!

  105. Anonymous
    November 6, 2010 at 3:52 pm

    asb2525 says:
    November 6, 2010 at 2:54 pm

    “how We goofed up?”

    I can help you out with the “goofed up”, I’m very liberal and I have a huge problem with the stonewalling of the Balloon Tract clean up, I have lived in Eureka since the railroad was running and I want something done with that eyesore.

    I also have a problem with Larry’s polarizing stands on things that I think are important. I also have a problem with Linda’s attitude towards staff.

    I want a council that can work together to move the City forward.

  106. Mitch
    November 6, 2010 at 4:05 pm

    The Humboldt County Election Transparency Project has web sites at http://www.humtp.org and http://www.humetp.com.

    But the transparency project has only just begun scanning ballots, and will probably not have scanned them all for another two weeks minimum. (Remember, this was a two sheet ballot, doubling the work that needs to be done.)

  107. A-Nony-Mouse
    November 6, 2010 at 4:38 pm

    Hey 3:52 Pay attention. The “stonewalling” came from none other than himself, Rob Arkley. He presented an inadequate cleanup plan. He refuses to work with the Coastal Commission. He was finally forced by a court order to do a real cleanup. He has refused to provide requested information to both the Coastal Commission and the State Lands Office which he MUST do before any project can proceed. Somehow you think that Larry waved his magic wand and all work stopped. Sorry, boss, you’re looking at the wrong end of the horse!
    Oh HiFi, I’m so sorry for poor Newmie, but he was reported by several people to be drunker than a hooty owl on Tuesday evening. I understand a good celebration but I also understand moderation and setting a good example. Do you?

  108. November 6, 2010 at 4:45 pm

    Right, MITCH!

    But what about the Transparency Project’s concusions about how Bass — I repeat, out of the blue!! — garnered 48% of the JUNE 8th vote, when Bonnie is obviously more experienced, better informed, much more articulate, and has INVALUABLE connections with Sacramento, et al.

    ANONYMOUS, I will try to address your genuine concerns in a relatively short while. I have not had time yet to Google the Transparency Project web site; and a telephone call temporarily draws me away from this great site for a while — a moment or two!

  109. Anon
    November 6, 2010 at 4:45 pm

    “Now that they lost their seats,will Larry & Jeff give up their spots on the MMJ selection committee?How did Arcatan Hagen end up the third wheel on that same committee?”

    Too bad Larry didn’t even bother to show up for the last MMJ committee meeting, couldn’t bother with the City Council meeting either. No call to let anyone know. Just no show. Sore loser or stoned?

  110. tra
    November 6, 2010 at 5:06 pm

    asb2525,

    The Transparency Project scans the ballots and places them online so that anyone can examine the images and count the ballots for themselves. So, in a couple of weeks, you can look at them for youself. Between the hard work and dedication of local poll workers, our very competent county Elections office staff, and good work of the Transparency Project, I think we in Humboldt County can be very confident in the accuracy of the vote-counting.

    Now why people voted the way they did is another question entirely. There were many factors that likely contributed to Neeley’s defeat, but ballot shennanigans are almost certainly not among them.

  111. mresquan
    November 6, 2010 at 5:11 pm

    “There were many factors that likely contributed to Neeley’s defeat, but ballot shennanigans are almost certainly not among them.”

    But residency shenanigans are.Team Bass went to some deep lengths to prove she didn’t live in the first district.

  112. Anonymous
    November 6, 2010 at 5:25 pm

    “A-Nony-Mouse says:
    November 6, 2010 at 4:38 pm

    Hey 3:52 Pay attention.”

    I have been paying attention… I still remember the “No Arkleyville” signs in Larry’s window. There are a lot of things that I have been paying attention to, but none of it matters Larry no longer has a seat at the table.

    By the way, I am not oppose to any of the other boards that Larry sits on, I’m just not happy with Larry as a council person.

  113. tenth street dreamer
    November 6, 2010 at 5:32 pm

    Anon< how kind of you to be so conciliatory to Larry. Go peddle your not so sweet garbage to someone who cares. Gloating is very unmanly.

  114. Truth in information
    November 6, 2010 at 5:37 pm

    This is how the compassionate conservatives beat up Jim Gupton a number of years ago when he was on council. There is a very mean streak that runs deep in this town.

  115. November 6, 2010 at 6:08 pm

    OK! TRA and MRESQUAN! GREAT! I will suppress and dismiss my suspicions or paranoia about ballot box tampering RE June 8th. Otherwise, I am sure We would have heard something about that by now.

    Besides the popularity of former waitress Bass, I must cite Thomas Frank’s incisive book, “What’s the Matter with Kansas: How CONServatives Won the ‘Heart’ of America,” 2005, to explain why decent and hard-working Humboldt citizens voted against their best interests — against their best economic interests — to explain why Bass prevailed over Supervisor Bonnie Neely! It is a cognitive dissonance issue, Cognitive Scientists tell Us. Just as “resistance to change,” in other issues, is a psychological matter, a personal counter-productive BLOCK!

    With respect to your charge of Larry’s and the litigants’ “stonewalling” of the clean-up of the Balloon Tract, ANONYMOUS, A-NONY-MOUSE’s response is — and this is important to remember, but often easy to forget — the exact, accurate answer to your concern, ANONYMOUS::—

    “I’m very liberal and I have a huge problem with the stonewalling of the Balloon Tract clean up, I have lived in Eureka since the railroad was running and I want something done with that eyesore.”

    A-NONY-MOUSE REPLIED::—

    “He [Arkley] refuses to work with the Coastal Commission. He was finally forced [underline “forced”?!]by a court order to do a real cleanup. He has refused [?!} to provide requested information to both the Coastal Commission and the State Lands Office which he MUST [emphasis added: “MUST”] do before any project can proceed. Somehow you think that Larry waved his magic wand and all work stopped. Sorry, boss, you’re looking at the wrong end of the horse!”

    Arkley CAN NOT simply refuse, neither by caprice nor by authoritarian fiat, to provide proof of ownership via deed!! JUST WHOM do these CONServatives think they are that they can foreclose on the mortgages of millions of homeowners across the country — without possessing and providing actual proof of ownership!??!

    The mortgage “servicers” and Wall Street gangster banksters are FRAUDS!! SCHEME SCAM SHAM!! SCHEME SCAM SHAM, SHAME!! Goldman Sachs is skimming about $20 million a day off of the top via its pre-order-entry into the Stock Market computer!??! The nerve!! The absolute criminal, sociopathic gall!!

    Whether Bass is the supervisor or not, the Coastal Commission requisites MUST be satisfied, BY LAW!!

    I just don’t see how you can expect to get around that LAW, ANONYMOUS!

    Supervisor Neely wanted the Tract cleaned up with a sense of urgency least the TOXIC run-off destroys the integrity and — therefore — jobs of the Bay’s oyster beds! Further stalling and gross refusal by Arkley is a great risk and a peril to the oyster sector!!

    I think Larry should be commended for the installation and legion successes of the excellent POP program! The City and Oakland should have same!

    And objective observers agreed that Linda was perfectly civil and within not only her rights but required by her responsibilities, relative to the overly sensitive Tyson “wood shack” debacle.

    When is Mr. Arkley going to step up to the Coastal Commission and provide the requisite documentation — so that We can beautify that neighborhood, ANONYMOUS?

  116. Truth in information
    November 6, 2010 at 6:43 pm

    Thanks ASB, The truth is still the truth, no mater how much they lie about it. Arckley had his fingerprints removed years ago but his signature is all over the stonewalling and the direction of the last election. The emperor is hiding in plain sight.

  117. November 6, 2010 at 7:01 pm

    Truth IS truth, TRUTH IN INFORMATION! When will or why won’t ANONYMOUS accord with that?

    And can you remind me how to boldface and underline on this web site! I KNOW I printed it — it is just not where it should be!

    TA TA!! I found it — right where it is supposed to be!! And thanks for that MITCH, and thank you for TRUTH IN FORMATION, TRUTH IN INFORMATION!

  118. November 6, 2010 at 7:04 pm

    Oops, again! I didn’t turn boldface off properly!

  119. Demofallout
    November 6, 2010 at 8:10 pm

    If you want to know why the Proggies lost so bad this past Tuesday night, take a look at their so-called leadership.

    Start with Bonnie losing so badly in the primaries she fired her “clipboard carrier” and hired Heraldo (AKA: Joshua Drayton) as her campaign manager.

    Look no further than Andrew Bird’s election predictions: Glass 61, Brady 39 Kuhnel 54, Manns 40, Newman 6 La Vallee 53, Jager 44, Spalding 3 Neely 51, Bass 49 Cleary 54, Sundberg 46

    Look no further than the Humboldt County Democratic Central Committee (HCDCC) donating $5,000 to Bonnie Neely and $5,000 to Patrick Cleary without even asking their Democratic membership.

    That’s $10,000 of my money they threw down the toilet with zero input.

    Look no further than the leadership of the HCDCC, many whom are considered as joke in the local community (outside the confines of the HCDCC office).

    Look no further than the Times Standard. How irrelevant has the paper become? Almost every one of their local endorsement lost.

    Did the Times Standard even contact the various candidates to let them know the endorsement process for November?

    Look no further than Heraldoville, where local Proggies think the average voter resides. Got some news for you. Maybe 20 people post on Heraldo as Joshua censors any comments that aren’t “drinking the kool-aid”.

    When you’re posting rumors and lies on an anonymous blog, that doesn’t get mainstream media coverage.’

    You have to have to basis of fact to make a public statement. Which is why Heraldoville exists for the anonymous prog trogs to make outlandish statements for their own amusement.

    Look no further than Patti Berg. If that’s your local idea of a Proggie statesperson, you should really check with the average voter and not have someone who looks like the Crypt Keeper.

    And finally, I’ll use Tom Peters own words, “We believe what we want. We don’t care about the truth.”

    The average voter does care about the truth.

  120. Walt
    November 6, 2010 at 8:40 pm

    “How irrelevant has the paper become? Almost every one of their local endorsement lost.” So the relevance of the T-S depends on how many winners they pick. Poor T-S: they didn’t know we were doing stupid this time.

  121. Truth in information
    November 6, 2010 at 9:45 pm

    If the average voter cared about the truth, then why did they swing right into the teabaggers. Why do they like\love the dozen mega rich with corporate personhood to use their corporate power to funnel huge amounts of money to the right. That is buying elections on a grand scale. The money machine does not favor progressives. That is why they lose, not because of their ideas. Look at the way Eureka was wallpapered with the right’s election signage. Their radio ads were out weeks before the Progs. That is big money talking folks. It doesn’t work all the time, i.e. Meg Whitman. But enough elections were bought to swing us way to the right. Don’t think for a minute it was the grand ideas of the politicians that swung things to the right, it was “packaging” bought with lots and lots money.Sorry tea lovers and republicrats, but now you get to drink your brew. It may be a bit more bitter than you expect. We are already half way in the economic ditch. We will see if you can get us jobs promised, or save our homes, keep officers on the street, rebuild our fire department. I’ll bet these greenhorns don’t have a clue. Welcome back to republican corporate good times.

  122. tooby
    November 6, 2010 at 9:51 pm

    Ouch.

  123. you still don't get it
    November 7, 2010 at 7:14 am

    you guys are asking over and over why you lost and you blame money, corporations, and the electorate for being so stupid. keep it up, you can further insulate yourself from the everyday people who voted against your ideology until you are completely irrelevant.

  124. humboldturtle
    November 7, 2010 at 7:18 am

    I would prefer to insulate myself from the three (3) landlords who control signage on 800 (eight hundred) properties in Eureka’s elections. The Every Day people are fine.

  125. Anonymous
    November 7, 2010 at 8:21 am

    who would those be? they put lots of campaign signs on their properties and duped the public?

  126. Anonymous
    November 7, 2010 at 8:29 am

    You can’t have it both ways. Blaming your loss on corporate money (big local landlords = corporate money? please!) and a public who doesn’t understand the truth is not taking responsibility. If you win you think it’s because people have see the light. The voters respond to the current situation they themselves are in and what they relate to, and the fact is, they find themselves unhappy with the economy and seek solutions. In this case it appears to be a change they seek. Next election it will probably swing back a bit.

  127. High Finance
    November 7, 2010 at 9:18 am

    Why did the more liberal candidate lose in every Eureka race? You libs want to fool yourself & blame big money fooled dumb voters. You want to believe that Arkley pulled all the strings behind the scene. You want to blame everything & anything other than the truth that is staring right at you.

    The majority of voters in Eureka are more conservative & moderate than you liberals. They have more in common with me or “You Still” @ 7.14am, than Tom Peters, Mouse, Joshua Drayton, Larry Glass, Turtle, “Truth”, or Heraldo.

    Most Eurekans want the Marina Center to go forward. Most Eurekans are tired of homeless bums invading our town. Most Eurekans support the zoo. Most Eurekans get angry at the people who accuse the Police of murder. Most Eurekans are angry at the thought of pot clubs coming into town and most Eurekans are sick to death of liberals who accuse them of being too dumb to know that Measure N wouldn’t gaurantee the MC would be built.

    Measure N was about more than the MC. It was a symbol. It gave us something to send the left a message.

  128. Plain Jane
    November 7, 2010 at 9:33 am

    Then why the lies about what it would accomplish, HiFi?

  129. Plain Jane
    November 7, 2010 at 9:48 am

    What percent actually voted? What was the party breakdown of those percentages? What about progressives Kuhnel and Mann receiving the majority of votes in that race? If local Democrats followed the national trend, they turned out in lower numbers than Republicans so presuming that the majority of people in Eureka are conservative is a giant leap. Claiming the victory of Measure N as some vindication for the conservative mindset is absurd since it was sold with gross exaggerations and outright lies.

  130. Anonymous
    November 7, 2010 at 9:49 am

    Odds are Paul Gallegos, Mari Wilson, Jerry Brown, Barbara Boxer, Gavin for Lt. Gov. and Kamala for AG all won among Eureka voters. So I wouldn’t assume a new conservative supermajority will rule Eureka for the next generation just yet.

    This election did guarantee one thing: The Dem Central Committee and Demockkkery Uninhibited don’t “run” the left in Eureka any longer. Real progressives will have to find independent means of organizing their campaigns; after all, Linda Atkins only won her seat by breaking away from the Clark campaign/Locco Soilution PAC bunch and running her own campaign.

  131. High Finance
    November 7, 2010 at 9:58 am

    Yes, those totals by precinct will be interesting to see.

    I’ll bet that AJ beat Gallegos in Eureka. She would have to because I’m sure Paul got big numbers in Arcata & the Redway area. Mari Wilson’s win was not because of partisan politics. Brown won but really, Meg Whitman ran a deplorable campaign.

  132. Plain Jane
    November 7, 2010 at 10:05 am

    Wes Chesbro won too, don’t forget.

  133. Ne'er-do-well
    November 7, 2010 at 10:08 am

    HiFi, I got your “message” hanging, you stupid MF.

  134. mresquan
    November 7, 2010 at 10:13 am

    Ron Kuhnel hasn’t lost yet.It made be hard for him to pull it off,but the counting isn’t done yet.

  135. Ne'er-do-well
    November 7, 2010 at 10:15 am

    I forgot to throw in the obligatory GFY.

  136. humboldturtle
    November 7, 2010 at 10:20 am

    Mari Wilson’s race was too about partisan politics. She was the non-Republican.

  137. tra
    November 7, 2010 at 11:01 am

    “Meg Whitman ran a deplorable campaign.”

    Finally, something we can all agree on!

  138. Plain Jane
    November 7, 2010 at 11:06 am

    Brown ran a good campaign. I loved that ad with Whitman saying how great California was when she moved here “30 years ago” – when Brown was governor. :)

  139. Anonymous
    November 7, 2010 at 11:07 am

    I am a Republican and I voted for Mari. Sometimes people actually vote for who and what they believe in, and not for “their” party.

  140. Anonymous
    November 7, 2010 at 11:11 am

    Jane, the people apparently want the Marina Center to be built or at least the zoning to make that possible on the balloon tract. Saying they were all fooled into voting that way is a slap in the face. Sometimes when you lose it is because a lot of people don’t agree with you. Maybe you are the one being fooled. Next election you will be happier, I am sure, as the vote will go your way when people aren’t happy with the Republicans not being able to to solve the mess we are in either. This just isn’t a quick fix.

  141. Plain Jane
    November 7, 2010 at 11:14 am

    Are you denying that they lied in their claims about the Marina Center, 11:11? That they lied about what was holding it up? That they lied about how many jobs and how much money it would bring into the city’s coffers?

  142. Anonymous
    November 7, 2010 at 11:21 am

    I feel like people are smart enough to see the difference between propaganda and the truth in elections and when things don’t go your way, you have to suck it up. I think a lot of the Marina Center economic claims are a matter of opinion, and people have to make their own mind up.

  143. Cookie
    November 7, 2010 at 11:22 am

    Mari asked for the HCDCC endorsement during the primary, but they gave it to Jon Brooks, so Mari left the Demorcratic Party. It is just as well for Mari and possibly Paul Gallegos, because the HCDCC endorsed candidates in Eureka all failed to get elected or re-elected. IMO, the HCDCC is Arcata-centric, and does not focus enough on Eureka politics like it did 4 years ago. There is also a person (or 2) still on the committee that does not work well with others; often alienating others with their behavior.

  144. Anonymous
    November 7, 2010 at 11:28 am

    I don’t see why the HCDCC would choose to endorse someone in a non-party office. Seems destructive, unnecessary. Annoying too.

  145. Anon
    November 7, 2010 at 11:52 am

    “There is also a person (or 2) still on the committee that does not work well with others; often alienating others with their behavior.”

    Are you kidding? There’s four to six who are fucking batty.

    There needs to be considerable discussion about the unalateral actions of the HCDCC “leadership”. Donating tens of thousands of dollars without any group approval, holding secret meetings, laundering money from outside the county, and on and on. Rational members who actually want to win an election every now and then should look closely at some profound leadership changes. The past executive committee members should really be doing some serious soul searching about their goals. Are they trying to elect Democrats or just give themselves power.

    After losing every single Eureka and county wide race where they made an endorsement anyone who had any honor would would be offering up letters of resignation. I don’t expect to see any which should say something to the rest of us.

  146. Plain Jane
    November 7, 2010 at 11:55 am

    When opinions are proven to be supported only with lies by real studies done locally as well as across the country of the negative impact of big boxes (and home improvement big boxes particularly in this area), but the news media refuses to report on such a significant story, how are the voters supposed to know they are being lied to? Do you think most people read the Herald?

  147. Plain Jane
    November 7, 2010 at 11:56 am

    I doubt Anon is a Democrat.

  148. Anonymous
    November 7, 2010 at 11:59 am

    Ha ha!! The Herald is the new truth in journalism, Jane? Good one. There is a variety of truths told here, like anywhere. I just think sometimes sour grapes about an election is so typical- blame the dumb voters who were fooled by propaganda but both sides think the other spews lies. Very predictable.

  149. Plain Jane
    November 7, 2010 at 12:01 pm

    The Herald is where links to the studies were posted, 11:59. Where else were links to these studies provided other than a few blogs? How did the people figure out they were being lied to about the benefits of the Marina Center so they could decide to vote in favor of it anyway?

  150. Anonymous
    November 7, 2010 at 12:05 pm

    It’s not about any studies, Jane. It’s about a general feeling of “do you or do you not want it built on by Arkley?”. It’s pretty simple. People want that apparently. I didn’t say anything about what I feel. My family had a small store and we didn’t go to chain stores when I was growing up, and I still am an advocate for local business. I am open minded enough to see what the public wants though. Your studies don’t matter to them.

  151. Anonymous
    November 7, 2010 at 12:08 pm

    HiFi forgets that Arcata has been swerving towards repression for a couple of years now; just look at the tagteam personal attacks on Gallegos by Paul Hagen and Kevin Hoover.

    I think an extremely high Jackson vote in Fortuna, Rio Dell, Scotia, Ferndale, Orick, Willow Creek is a given; she might even have won in McKinleyville and the non-City of Eureka suburbs like Cutten, Humboldt Hill, Pine Hill, Fields Landing, Myrtletown, etc. If all this is true, then Gallegos might have won in Eureka proper.

  152. Plain Jane
    November 7, 2010 at 12:09 pm

    They don’t NEED no stinkin facts to make decisions!

  153. Anonymous
    November 7, 2010 at 12:15 pm

    To you they are facts. To others, it is a matter of opinion.

  154. Reinventing The Wheel
    November 7, 2010 at 2:28 pm

    Thanks PJ for your persistence. Once again, you’ve proven that simple facts must be repeated tirelessly to illicit responses from our adversaries.

    “…studies don’t matter…”

    Rest assured, if big box proponents HAD ONE, it would showcase their websites!

    Local voters aren’t stupid, they are chronically uninformed. When the negative economic impacts of low-wage saturation are unreported, it doesn’t exist, it’s relegated to “opinion”.

    Local media clearly dropped the ball, again, showing no interest whatsoever in the local and national research revealing that big boxes have serious negative economic impacts on rural economies.

    The Marina Center, with its assumed Home Depot, was the central campaign issue, yet, NONE of the candidates were questioned by local media about the negative economic impacts!

    Imagine Marion Brady being asked to respond to the former chair of San Francisco State University’s Department of Economics, who reviewed the Marina Center EIR and uses it in his classrooms as an example of “flawed research”:

    “He’s another wild-eyed academic…” or, “citizens don’t care about research” or, “I’m not an economist, but my gut tells me he’s wrong, we have no alternative, we need growth”!

    It’s a simple fact that very large turnouts almost always result in democratic victories… it’s never been the republican party going out to register voters at the post office, they never advocated for same-day registration or combining auto and voter registration forms. Didn’t they fight this?

    Voters are NEVER provided the opportunity to understand the historic political dominance of the development community. (With the sole exception of John Osborn’s recent NCJ article). They might vote differently if they understood the results: local building moratoriums, over-capacity infrastructures, skyrocketing sewer bills, haphazard zoning, unsafe streets, fast-profit big box developments, and the over-production of homes few residents can afford to own.

  155. High Finance
    November 7, 2010 at 2:43 pm

    Ne’er-do-well = Internet coward.

    Hey, isn’t that your mommy calling you to dinner?

  156. Anonymous
    November 7, 2010 at 3:06 pm

    Reinventing: you can say what you like but the public does not care about various studies. It cares about itself and chooses to believe those it admires. Also, having taken various levels of stats and understanding how studies are performed by various types of organizations, one must be skeptical of both statistics and studies. Also, the facts may point to one candidate being “better” but people go by other things, such as appearance, gut (yes, actually) instinct, their original first impression, temperament, and one’s own personal history and experiences.

    Just because you and PJ think the public has been fooled to believe what you think is not true doesn’t make it so. They voted and it’s a done deal. (That vote). Now there will be continued battling about this issue, but what’s done is done.

  157. A-Nony-Mouse
    November 7, 2010 at 7:56 pm

    On Aug 1, 2010 in Dave Stancliff’s inciteful column in the TS, he said,
    “Facts enlighten us and result in clear thinking. Accepting facts is acknowledging the truth. To turn away from facts is stupid. But not everyone is interested in the truth.
    Researchers at the University of Michigan conducted a series of studies in 2005 and 2006 and found that misinformed people, particularly political partisans who were exposed to corrected facts in news stories, rarely changed their minds. You want to hear something even more scary? People often become even more strongly set in their beliefs when confronted with facts. It was clear to the researchers facts do not cure misinformation. In a real twist, they found that facts could actually make misinformation even stronger”.

    Does that ring a bell, HiFi? It is a FACT, from many credible studies, that big box stores in smaller towns cause the LOSS of 1.4 jobs for every job they create. FACT. Now tell me again how good they’re going to be for Eureka.

    Brady lied and lied and lied about her nonexitent roll in the Balloon Track cleanup, about Larry’s nonexistent roll in delaying the project, and about Larry’s nonexistent roll in lawsuits regarding the Track. She yelled the lies long and hard, backed by lots of money with which to satuarate the field. FACTS. But I suspect all they’ll do is make you more strongly set in your misinformed beliefs. Amazing!

    The progressives lost because we continued to believe that people, when confronted with FACTS, will believe them and change accordingly. I guess we just gave you too much credit. Next time maybe we can find a cutesy slogan, present no information, and lie colorfully throughout. Apparently that’s the way to get elected in Eureka. Sad!

  158. A-Nony-Mouse
    November 7, 2010 at 7:59 pm

    Sorry for my typo. Brady’s roll in the BT cleanup was most certainly “nonexistent’. FACT!

  159. mresquan
    November 7, 2010 at 8:11 pm

    “Local media clearly dropped the ball, again, showing no interest whatsoever in the local and national research revealing that big boxes have serious negative economic impacts on rural economies.

    The Marina Center, with its assumed Home Depot, was the central campaign issue, yet, NONE of the candidates were questioned by local media about the negative economic impacts!”

    I actually disagree here with your assessment of what local media should have been doing.If there was an actual organized effort to stop measure N than I would agree,as that group should have been out in front blasting the airwaves and putting out press releases and whatnot to get that info out there.It is the job of media to present both sides of any issue fairly,but unfortunately in regards to N,there was only one side.And more so,during debates when these issues could have been brought up and driven forth,the candidates most likely to oppose the Measure told the voters that there wasn’t any reason to think that it shouldn’t or wouldn’t pass.

  160. Redwood
    November 7, 2010 at 9:48 pm

    Like those 2 wars were still in.Remember Iraq?Kabul? Not one peep about War in the past election week.People are tired of them and the politicians and media knew it.
    Same with the Marina Center ; people are just tired of hearing about it.Poop or get off the pot.The average citizen thinks it’s cleaned up already – trusting elected officials and public agencies to do the right thing long ago.The public wants to know who is going to clean it up and when? And Why it hasn’t been done already? Who’s holding it up?
    An unemployed person only wants 1 job not 1.4 jobs.It’s a jungle out here.

  161. A-Nony-Mouse
    November 7, 2010 at 10:18 pm

    Ah, Redwood, another math-impaired genius. If you lose 1.4 jobs net for every 1 job created by the big box, then for every 5 jobs created you LOSE 7 for a net loss of 2. That’s TWO MORE of those unemployed people wondering why they can’t work. If the Marina Center ‘creates’ 1000 jobs, the community would lose 1400 from other effected businesses. That’s 400 more unemployed people. See, it’s not so hard to figure out. Now, with all those new unemployed, who’s going to be shopping at all those new retail stores? Hmmm?

  162. A-Nony-Mouse
    November 7, 2010 at 10:31 pm

    As to Measure N, there are several reasons why there was no organized opposition. First one was MONEY. Few of us are dumb enough to try to match Arkley when it comes to money. There were too many other fights to fight and simply not enough resources. Second was the supporters’ obvious willingness to lie (regardless of what we’d have said). Witness the slogan “Marina Center Now” and compare it to reality. Measure N will not produce “the Marina Center Now” even if Arkley decides to play ball with the Coastal Commission (when it snows in the Hot Place!). So the claim was a lie. Third was the relative meaninglessness of the measure, considering all the laws and lawsuits Arkley is facing.
    So why should the good people who have a healthier vision for growth in Eureka waste their effort, money, and energy fighting this thing? Turns out there was a reason but not because of the measure itself. It was because it was (and always was ) nothing more than a way to frame the election of BIG MONEY’S candidates for council and supervisor using lies and inuendo. And when facing a rich opponent with no scruples at all about how it wins, it takes much more than an educated minority to beat them.
    Refer to my earlier post of Mr. Stancliff’s essay and, if you’re lucky, you’ll understand.

  163. Anonymous
    November 7, 2010 at 11:44 pm

    So if Meg Whitman had won it would have been the money. Since N won, it was the money. Since Virginia won, it was either the money or you think it was her looks. Since Larry lost, you think it was the money on the other side, the lies. Jeez this is getting old. Couldn’t be the candidate or the topic that won? Could it ever? Will there always be an excuse for losing?

  164. Anonymous
    November 7, 2010 at 11:52 pm

    I’m not convinced that Measure N winning will have any impact other than the obvious of having helped certain candidates get elected – an effective strategy in the end. Beyond the election, it may bolster Arkley’s feelings of popularity, but provides no real guarantees.

    Ultimately, this seems to have been an exercise of some sort – a colossal waste of money, effort and time for something basically designed to demonstrate popularity.

    Sad and pathetic.

  165. Anonymous
    November 8, 2010 at 12:08 am

    I think that Meg Whitman was so offensive that she imploded – shot herself in the foot by spending SO much money on an extremely hostile/negative campaign, bombarding people forever. Bad strategy/judgment at the very least.

    Larry’s loss, locally, seemed to be the opposite in that he ran a late, somewhat lackluster campaign – not terribly fiery. The “Brady Bunch” went ALL (and I do mean “ALL”) out on signs and public appearances. I hated the slogan, but it apparently resonated.

  166. tra
    November 8, 2010 at 12:10 am

    “Will there always be an excuse for losing.”

    Yes.

    The party that wins a particular election always claims that it has done so because of their accomplishments, platform and message, whereas the losing party usually blames external factors such as the resources their opponents had, media coverage being unfavorable and/or unfair, election shennanigans, bad weather on election day, etc.

    In my opinion this tendency in politics to take the credit when things go well, but disperse blame when they go poorly simply reflects a broader psychological phenomenon sometimes referred to as the “fundamental attribution error,” which in a nutshell means that we tend to attribute good things that happen to us to our own actions and characteristics, but when bad things happen to us, we tend to attribute this to external “situational” factors that we have little control over.

  167. tra
    November 8, 2010 at 12:22 am

    Oops, the psychological phenomenon I was describing is actually more along the lines of what social scientists call “self-serving bias.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-serving_bias

    The “fundamental attribution error” is a related but slightly different concept wherein we are more likely to see the behaviors of others as arising mainly from their internal characteristics, whereas when we are evaluating our own behaviors we are more likely to take situational factors into account.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fundamental_attribution_error

    Sorry for confusing the two terms — it’s been a few decades since I read about these in any detail. (So you see, the fact that I made this error was situational and hence not my fault . Heh-heh.)

  168. Anonymous
    November 8, 2010 at 6:58 am

    Sounds valid, tra. Makes sense, your theory.

  169. High Finance
    November 8, 2010 at 8:20 am

    So Mouse, if I understand your rantings, your side lost because:

    a) most people in Eureka are stupid sheep who fell for a lot of advertising paid by big money (please explain why Rhodoni & Whitman lost in Eureka then)

    and

    b) your side is the real majority but they are lazy losers who stayed home on election day (please explain why all the statewide Dem candidates won in Eureka).

    The REAL truth is that you are angry, hurt & a little scared. It is hard for you to face the reality, that Eureka is a moderate to conservative town.

    It must suck to be so bitter.

  170. TruthBtold
    November 8, 2010 at 10:57 am

    Mouse: Wasn’t it Bonnie that had all the negative campaign material with inuendos against Bass? Yes. Didn’t Brady have all of her information straight and vetted before she put them out? Yes. Or Larry would have a lawsuit ready. Again.

  171. A-Nony-Mouse
    November 8, 2010 at 7:36 pm

    Yes, HiFi, I am a bit bitter. The Brady bunch ran a campaign of lies. I just reread one of her mailers and it is full of blatant lies. Vetted? That’s a laugh. Sadly, politicians can’t sue for libel over campaign material or paper would be flying everywhere. It’s supposed to be a free speech thing but politicians can’t sue over what is said about them.
    You wonder why some campaigns with money still lost. Duh! It’s because the other side had money to answer with. When huge sums flow unrestricted from developers and certain unnamed persons (you know damn well how many ways there are to do that), then it is not a level playing field or even close.
    Brady did not blast us with nasty bitter crap like Whitman did. She would have lost if she had. But she did bombard us with blatant lies about Larry with a media blitz that only big money could buy. In his defense, Larry spent several of the prime campaign weeks with a serious cold that seriously drained his energy. That’s not an excuse but is certainly a reason for a less than energetic finish to his efforts. I saw him and I’m amazed he did as well as he did.
    Now it’s the turn of the Sit-Com gang to show what they’ve got. I like a good laugh! Too bad we all have to suffer for it. Cripes, Jager and Jones damn near lost us the $10 million dollar Open Door Clinic because their pet developers want to sell another unsuitable property so much. I sure hope that’s not the kind of ‘enlightened government’ we’ll have to live with for the next two years. There won’t be anyone left in town (except an empty Home Despot).

  172. Anonymous
    November 8, 2010 at 7:44 pm

    “A-Nony-Mouse says:
    November 8, 2010 at 7:36 p

    Cripes, Jager and Jones damn near lost us the $10 million dollar Open Door Clinic because their pet developers want to sell another unsuitable property so much.”

    Ha, ha, ha… I don’t think anyone wants to say out loud that neither site is good.

    Tidd Street horrible traffic issues, Waterfront site can we get something more tourist friendly.

    Did I just say that?

  173. Anonymous
    November 8, 2010 at 7:46 pm

    Tidd Street horrible traffic issues, Waterfront site can we get something more tourist friendly? Punctuation…

  174. Reinventing The Wheel
    November 9, 2010 at 1:22 pm

    Elections are always about the money, Jerry Brown’s $38 million wouldn’t be enough if Meg’s public persona were a little more affable, nevertheless, a clear exception to the rule.

    What self-respecting “news media” fails to see it’s public-interest responsibility in our very poor rural community burdened by a billionaire and the dominant political force of the development community at his feet?

    “…But there was no anti-Measure N organization to report” (Anon 3:06), Despite decades of consistent research concluding that big boxes harm rural economies!

    Tough media choice:

    A) Alienate the wealthiest community of advertisers by reporting and following-up on local and national big box research, THEN, ask candidates uncomfortable questions about their big box agendas.

    OR

    B) Protect ad revenues, for now, by self-censoring well-known economic facts, and hope that further poverty-wage saturation won’t hasten economic collapse…wishing that well-known (unreported) alternatives will magically appear before the economy takes you down with it.

    Voters in chronically misinformed communities like ours are left to believe and follow like-minded candidates, the premise to every tyranny in history.

    We once had a media that thrived on a community’s corporate excesses, political lies and hypocrisy, not just petty thefts and daily auto accidents. They once played an unmistakable role in taking down a U.S. president and ending the Vietnam war.

    Those who would censor research critical to our economy and central to an election are probably driving around without seat belts while smoking and talking on the phone, regardless of the research….

  175. High Finance
    November 9, 2010 at 3:38 pm

    So, the Eureka voter’s repudiation of the liberal’s agenda was a combination of a media conspiracy & dumb voters?

    Sad, the disrespect liberals have towards voters & the people.

  176. tra
    November 9, 2010 at 3:56 pm

    “a combination of media conspiracy and dumb voters?”

    In fairness, isn’t that basically the same type of sore loserism we saw among Republicans in ’08? Well, I suppose they also had the “ACORN stole the election for Obama” theme to fall back on.

  177. mresquan
    November 9, 2010 at 9:26 pm

    13,104 votes left to be verified in Humboldt County according to the Sec. Of State’s office.

  178. Anonymous
    November 9, 2010 at 11:45 pm

    HiFi,

    who is that leading Republican anti-union governor who says that Repubs deserve the stupidity they have created, especially if they continue down the liberal road. Really, politically, one in and of the same torso – just one hand at a time feeding the beast that is expanding governance.

    JL

  179. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    November 9, 2010 at 11:48 pm

    Thanks again to poll workers and community servicers.

    JL

  180. Big Al
    November 10, 2010 at 7:58 am

    anybody else get the post-election phone poll? seems to be about prop 19

  181. Marianwon
    November 10, 2010 at 9:23 am

    Mouse: Marian had over 64% of the Mail in ballots. This election was over more than a month before the precinct vote. Oh, and she also won the precinct ballots by hundreds. Just a reality check. And prove where she lied. You are just bitter.

  182. Anonymous
    November 10, 2010 at 9:31 am

    “Larry Glass blocked the clean up of the balloon track” Lie

  183. Anonymous
    November 10, 2010 at 9:32 am

    how about “I’m a democrat”

  184. Anonymous
    November 10, 2010 at 9:33 am

    I live in the first ward

  185. Big Al
    November 10, 2010 at 9:46 am

    I found her claims to be disingenuous as well

  186. November 10, 2010 at 9:47 am

    Here are a few of Marian’s lies from the candidates debate

    * Measure N is way to bypass some of the bureaucracy.

    * Eureka losing 5-10 million sales tax to building supply houses because we don’t have a Home Depot.

    * “Other people” are working on the homeless issue so she can focus on economic development.

  187. tra
    November 10, 2010 at 9:54 am

    Well I’m not sure how your third point is a “lie,” H. It’s true that “other people” ARE working on the homeless issue, and it’s also true that she can focus on economic development and leave the homeless issue to others. It’s a bad idea, and irresponsible, but I don’t see how it’s a “lie.”

  188. Heidi
    November 10, 2010 at 9:54 am

    I got it at Ross

  189. November 10, 2010 at 9:56 am

    You’re right, TRA, it just shows that she has nothing to offer aside from being a cheerleader for the Marina Center.

    While other people may be working on the homeless issue, she is truly a one-note wonder if she thinks she won’t have to deal with it on the city council.

  190. tra
    November 10, 2010 at 10:29 am

    What really intrigues me about the approach some people have to the homeless issue in Eureka is their perception that Eureka is some kind of major magnet for the homeless, which is often accompanied by the notion that we are drawing homeless folks from outside the area because our services to the homeless are “too generous.” The “solutions” offered by these people always have to do with getting rid of the homeless, letting some other community deal with them.

    I always wonder whether these Greyhound-therapy advocates EVER travel to other cities or whether they have just not left Eureka in 50 years. Because if you go to any other city in America, you’ll see plenty of homeless people there, too. I have not seen any research that suggests that Eureka’s homeless population is any larger than other similarly-situated cities (similar climate, similar size, county seat, largest city in the region).

    The first step toward more effectively coping with the issue of homelessness is to recognize that it’s not unique to Eureka or Humboldt County, and can’t be solved by making the lives of homeless people even more miserable in the hopes that they’ll just go someplace else.

  191. Mitch
    November 10, 2010 at 10:35 am

    I wonder if an intrepid reporter might look into the total funds available to a “General Relief” recipient — someone without kids. They could find out the average check, the asset and income limitations, the fact that it is a loan not a grant, and the amount that gets paid to Eureka’s SRO owners to house the recipient overnight.

    Probably irrelevant stuff, though.

  192. Heidi
    November 10, 2010 at 10:46 am

    See tumbleweed small homes, don’t believe the kit prices they can be built for about 1/3 they can even float. Call me crazy.
    http://www.tumbleweedhouses.com/houses/

  193. Reinventing The Wheel
    November 10, 2010 at 12:09 pm

    When candidate’s primary platform is an “open arms” policy for another big box, it is not a “liberal agenda”, nor a communist conspiracy for local media to report on local and national economic research on big boxes.

    Yet, it didn’t happen.

    What better describes “an agenda”, ideology or orthodoxy, than candidates making economic claims about big boxes without any economic research to back it up?

    This crap passes because the facts are largely unreported and unacknowledged…Thus, poor HiFi can only cry “liberal” or “communist” when confronted with facts…it reminds me of those who denied that cigarettes kill despite 50 years of scientific proof.

    Among the best evidence that Eureka citizens (and Americans in general) remain chronically uniformed is in the periodic national reports of large numbers of eligible voters that remain unregistered, and our typical low-voter turnouts.

    This time, 38% of local voters abstained and it was hailed as a milestone! However, media has never attempted to discover local estimates of unregistered eligible voters, despite our rich academic resources.

  194. Anonymous
    November 10, 2010 at 12:13 pm

    I travel a lot and I have not seen a town in CA, OR, NV or much of the west, that compares to Eureka as far as having such a visible homeless population. Perhaps they are not as close to the highway and major shopping districts in other towns.

  195. Anonymous
    November 10, 2010 at 2:34 pm

    I think the visibility of the homeless has something to do with Eureka being the hub of Humboldt County. Being a small city, the homeless population does stand out. You don’t see this in the surrounding smaller towns like Fortuna, Arcata, McKinleyville, etc. The same holds true for cities like San Francisco and Portland – the homeless population is more visible in the city centers, not in the outlying neighborhoods or suburbs.

  196. High Finance
    November 10, 2010 at 7:45 pm

    Eureka is a magnet and anybody who disputes that is woefully uninformed.

    A few years ago (before our current PC chief) the EPD did a survey of the homeless. They asked where those people came from. Something over 82% came from somewhere else.

    The reason that Fortuna, Ferndale and Rio Dell/Scotia or even Weaverville or Redding don’t have our problem with them is those towns do not have all the freebies handed out to the transients that Eureka does.

  197. Anonymous
    November 10, 2010 at 9:02 pm

    We should harvest the homeless as a natural resource and use them as labor gangs towards public works and low-skilled manufacturing and agricultural work.

  198. Reinventing The Wheel
    November 11, 2010 at 11:27 am

    Funny how Eureka’s self-proclaimed economists ignore diversification, self-reliance, and all the economic research on poverty-wage big box saturation, AND THEN WHINE WHINE WHINE about the growing number of poor!

    Their bumper-sticker: “Fighting For Cheaper Prices (that aren’t really cheap) To The Bitter, (economically unsustainable) End.

    The bad news: We’ve been invaded by Martians.

    The good news: They eat the homeless and pee gasoline.

    (Courtesy: Kurt Vonnegut).

  199. A-Nony-Mouse
    November 11, 2010 at 11:52 am

    Do you suppose our mild (though wet) climate has anything to do with it? Would you stay in Elko in the winter?
    HiFi once again shows his compassion for the less fortunate. I’d bet that at sometinme in his life he was one paycheck away from being there himself. He got lucky. Not everyone is. If any of you want to try living on the ‘generous’ benefits the homeless get, please try it. Let us know what ‘the life of luxury’ is like. I’ll be waiting to hear.

    Meanwhile it gives us something to argue about while waiting for the results. HiFi, early absentee ballots almost ALWAYS skew toward the conservative candidates. I guess their minds are made up and they don’t want to consider the facts. Progressives usually vote later so they can hear the arguements. Anything is still possible. Exciting, isn’t it?

  200. High Finance
    November 11, 2010 at 4:36 pm

    Re invent gets it wrong as usual. Nobody has anything against the working poor who are out there working & doing the best they can. They are an entirely different breed than the useless moochers & users of society.

    You should try reading the NCJ’s article this week about the family begging by Costco.

    And yes Mouse, I went through tough times before. I responded by taking a job I didn’t like for awhile just to pay the bills. I would never take a handout as long as I was physically able to work.

  201. Reinventing The Wheel
    November 12, 2010 at 10:41 am

    And that’s the difference between the democratic and republican philosophies. The republicans divest in human resources, shifting public wealth to the top claiming it will trickle-down, while democratic administrations provided the hand-up in jobs, job training, placement, housing aid, health care, and free public universities. It’s what created America’s middle-class.

    Of course the right-wing LOVES the working poor, they LOVE to simultaneously whine about the destitute, and dropping sales.

  202. High Finance
    November 12, 2010 at 11:10 am

    Bull. Wheel, you understand so little it is depressing.

    Everbody, Big Business, Conservatives, small business all love a vibrant middle class. It creates consumers & is good for sales & profits.

  203. Reinventing The Wheel
    November 12, 2010 at 3:15 pm

    At 8:20AM, Nov. 10, HiFi describes 38% of Eureka’s registered voters as, “Lazy losers who stayed home on election day”.

    By 3:38PM HiFi says it’s, “sad, the disrespect liberals have for the people”.

    This guy is a chronic hypocrite and it hurts to watch.

    Unable to articulate his political philosophy, he claims to want a middle class, but fills this blog with condemnation for historic policies proven to build it; he LOVES the working class but defends more poverty-wage big boxes in a community saturated in them, then he whines about growing poverty, drug abuse, crime, and homelessness!? (All it takes is one illness to go from working-class to homeless). He claims economic credentials, but flatly ignores overwhelming research, both national and local, on big box impacts, or the importance of economic diversification and self-reliance in a world rich with alternatives and examples.

    Instead of joining the rest of the industrialized world, members of the “Party Of No-Alternative” drown us is in ignorance, obstructionism, and self-censorship, fighting to turn the clock back to outdated industries, failed development models, and trickle-down disaster…if only for a minute.

  204. Walt
    November 12, 2010 at 3:43 pm

    “Everbody, Big Business, Conservatives, small business all love a vibrant middle class. It creates consumers & is good for sales & profits.” So ‘splain to me why Walmart isn’t prosecuted for treason for insisting its suppliers move to China. ‘Splain to me why globalization (the exporting of middle class jobs) is GOOD for America? ‘Splain to me why mortgage renegotiation is off the table for The Corporate Masters, when a wave of defaults (unintentional, then intentional) will drive down real estate prices, cost MORE jobs, and put millions more on the streets. If the right loves the middle class, why are they destroying it?

  205. tenth street dreamer
    November 12, 2010 at 4:18 pm

    Walt, I couldn’t splain it if there was ever an answer. The motive, over simplification, is the corporate greed for more and more of our dollars. The public has been lied to and they don’t see it yet. We have now fallen into third world economics and no one has awakened to that one either. Germany is the economic powerhouse in Europe and the right, in this country, tags them as being “socialist”. China is the biggest economic gorilla in the room and they are “communist”. That leaves us, America, in economic third place limbo, printing more money to cover a growing debt and corporations in control of our political process. What is our system and our future to be called? Fucked?

  206. Anonymous
    November 12, 2010 at 4:54 pm

    “Fucked” pretty much says it 4:18. HiFi will probably have some lame response to your insight. Anyone who seriously thinks the Marina Center is going to make things hunky dory around here really does have his head up his ass, again. The simple question of ” how does more retail solve , or even somewhat alleviate, the fiscal health shit pile we find ourselves in”. We really need another place to buy socks and tee shirts, don’t we. All those part time jobs will really help too, not to mention the high pay and great benefits. Good grief.

  207. A-Nony-Mouse
    November 12, 2010 at 5:45 pm

    Tenth Street and 4:54 Anon have it right on the nose. HiFi was damned lucky during his ‘hard times’. Sure he worked but there was a job available and he was healthy. Neither is always the case. Many people think they’re working when, at minimum wage, they’re just sinking further into debt until nothing is left except to hit the streets. We could focus on ‘living wage’ jobs instead of big box retail minimal jobs but then we’d offend Mr. Bootstraps (HiFi).

  208. Reinventing The Wheel
    November 12, 2010 at 7:24 pm

    HiFi mostly responds only to comments he perceives as “weak” that he can exploit for an insult.

    To our strongest facts, all he has are superlatives and the “socialist” tag.

    It’s pathetic, mean and tiresome.

    Citizens of every nation and community have a patriotic responsibility to shout-out corruption, censorship, hypocrisy, tyranny, et al, that exists in every society…reported in spades by Heraldo, and once-upon-a-time in a mainstream free-press that used to report without fear or favor in the public interest. Americans once enjoyed the labor section of their community newspapers.

    Within these blogs are repeated references to well-know, researched examples of the economic, social and environmental calamities unfolding before our eyes; inconvenient, unacknowledged and unwelcome facts to our adversaries, who, like corporate media, are deluded that they are benefiting by the status quo, without a thought or comment about the future consequences.

    Europe and Asia are rapidly changing while our deepest pockets and their political servants maintain public subsidies for a failed model of poverty-wage big boxes and the homes their employees cannot afford…

    …and then expect a different result!

  209. mresquan
    November 12, 2010 at 7:55 pm

    Hifi wrote,”I would never take a handout as long as I was physically able to work.”

    Hifi,you are a member of the Eureka COC are you not?You know,the same COC which receives a nice handout from taxpayers.And for some reason I suspect that your business at one time or another has received a government contract..err….handout…a handout is a handout,bub,no matter how lipstick you put on it.

  210. mresquan
    November 12, 2010 at 7:56 pm

    “handout,bub,no matter how lipstick you put on it.”

    err…how much lipstick you put on it.

  211. High Finance
    November 13, 2010 at 9:28 am

    Mresquan, that is just about the silliest thing you have said yet. You cannot call pay for work produced a “handout” and compare it to people who don’t want to work.

    The Chamber provides services for its small share of the Bed Tax revenues it receives. The City actually makes a profit off the deal. I have never had a government contract, they do not pay enough. But those that do receive contracts work for their money.

    But hey! Thanks for proving again how little the left understands about economics and business.

    Mouse, there are jobs going begging out there. Sun Valley has to hire illegals because out of work Americans are too lazy to work as long as the free handouts continue.

    Reinvent; Sure we have a “patriotic responsibility to shout-out corruption”. Where you lunatic fringe types go off the deep end is when you claim all or most corporations or Republicans or conservatives of corruption.

    Anonymous at 4.54pm again shows his dishonest debating style or lack of comprehension skills. I have never said the MC will make everything “hunky dory”. What I have really said is that it will help improve things.

    Walt & Tenth Street Dreamer; what world do you live on? Businesses do not exist in order to provide jobs for people. They exist in order to make a return on the investment the owners have put in. It is perfectly legal for WalMart to buy products from China. If they did not they would have much smaller profits.

    Don’t like it? Then change the fucking law. Close up the borders by erecting trade barriers. The Democrats have been firmly in control of Wash DC these last two years. Why did they not even whisper about changing the law? Its because they know a trade war would cause a world wide depression.

    Reinvent, you are a liar. Again lying at 3.15pm about what it is that I said earlier. Either start telling the truth of STFU.

  212. Reinventing The Wheel
    November 13, 2010 at 1:17 pm

    Never quote a mad-man.

    An “economist” wouldn’t make financial claims about any private organization without public access to its accounting records.

    An “economist” wouldn’t make claims about the economic benefits of a project without their own independent sources of economic research to back it up, or without being prepared to refute the economic research that actually exists.

    An “economist” would NEVER claim that the only alternatives to reasonable Tariffs would be either “free-trade” or “closing the border”.

    An “economist” wouldn’t draw demographic conclusions from a population unwilling to dig in toxic soils all day because it won’t feed the family. (The same erroneous claims were made by the right-wingers running the U.S. Census HQ in Eureka. When too few retirees and laid-off teachers were willing to work all day for $8.75 and hour, they decided to hire from Eugene and Fairfield for $12 an hour, plus per-deim, as if we’re poor, AND stupid!).

    An “economist” wouldn’t ignore the policies that built this nation’s middle class, actual economists have mostly shed their failed 35-year supply-side, trickle-down ideology.

    Henry Ford was NOT an economist, he was FAR from liberal, but he understood that he needed to pay his employees well…he needed the customers!

    Lying demagoguery does not an economist make.

  213. A-Nony-Mouse
    November 13, 2010 at 1:32 pm

    Actually the Chamber receives, in addition to the money the city gives for ‘promotion and advertising’, a HUGE handout in the form a free rent on a city owned parcel valued at over $900,000.
    And that’s a FACT.

    If that ain’t a handout, what is?

  214. High Finance
    November 13, 2010 at 2:06 pm

    I have called you on that before Mouse. I believe that was the stipulation made when someone donated the building to the city. I don’t believe the city has any choice in the matter.

  215. Reinventing The Wheel
    November 14, 2010 at 12:06 pm

    The Eureka Chamber of Commerce doesn’t even have half Eureka’s businesses as members. It’s a disservice to taxpayers to subsidize “tourist outreach” by an organization that only promotes half the city.

    Without access to their accounting records, those claiming that taxpayer’s money isn’t used for the chamber’s non-tourism operating expenses, are making up crap for their agenda.

    Just like the U.S. Chamber’s phony “firewall” for their 2010 $75 million political campaign against democratic candidates. They claim their foreign dues are separated from their political activities but their accounting is not public information.

    Al Franken is currently demanding an investigation. Just like HiFi would be if Democracy Unlimited’s Humboldt Independent Business Alliance were to provide “tourist outreach services” and receive $150,000 annually from taxpayers instead of the Chamber.

    The difference? I would demand open-book accountability regardless of the recipient.

  216. Anonymous
    November 14, 2010 at 1:17 pm

    reinvent – the money comes from the 10% tax on the hotels. this is paid by people staying in the hotels. most cities do this because the marketing and outreach provided brings in more bed tax. it probably started out all going to the chamber until somebody saw it as a way to get a little more money for their department. many cities enact the bed tax solely for these purposes.

  217. Anonymous
    November 14, 2010 at 2:49 pm

    Funny to see George Clark bring up Demokkery unbelievablyLimted and their HummIBA scam front group.

    See that hated Chamber of Commerce at least has the decency to be accountable to those locally-operated businesses (and individuals) who are members. It’s the members who elect the Chamber Board by mail-in ballot.

    On the contrary, the Humboldt “Indy Biz Alliance” has no elections at all. It’s the Da-vid Co-bb-Kait-lin-Sopo-ci-Bel-knap puppetstring-pullers who have absolute power. Just as Duck-style Democracy should be, right?

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