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Hello Arkleyville

With the votes (mostly) counted it appears voters defeated progressive candidates in Eureka and Humboldt County, and strengthened the special interest hold on power.

But it’s all good, as the kids say. A new big box is going to save us, give us jobs, solve the homeless problem and tuck us into bed at night.

  1. tra
    November 3, 2010 at 12:59 am

    Final thought for the evening: As far as the Board of Supes goes, obviously it all comes down to what happens in the 5th. If Cleary somehow prevails, the balance of power on the Board of Supes doesn’t change much. If Sundberg wins, there will be a significant shift in the balance on the Board.

    Now I don’t think Sundberg is really as developer-controlled as his detractors have tried to paint him, but certainly the outcome will be (correctly) interpreted as a blow to the Lovelace/Neeley faction of the Board, particularly when it comes to the issue of the General Plan Update.

    If Sundberg DOES win, it will be interesting to see whether Lovelace, Neeley and Clendenan will try to push an Option A-style General Plan Update through during the Lame Duck period, before Bass replaces Neeley on the Board. If so, won’t they look like they are trying to thwart the will of the voters as expressed in the most recent election? Could be interesting.

  2. Anon
    November 3, 2010 at 1:21 am

    Could be interesting indeed if they try to do that. Couple of months to go for the General Plan before the change. I don’t think Sundberg is developer controlled either so we have to wait and see what will happen. Maybe Girard will finally get the votes needed to get him out. I haven’t trusted him or Faust (when Faust was acting as County Counsel per Bonnie’s request) since they both told the Board of Supervisors that Palco could just build lots of houses on timber land, but that just was not true and it finally got uncovered when the rest of the sentence in the law was finally read that said they could not do that. I am certainly not for building houses everywhere but that was just a lie by both of them.

  3. Anonymous
    November 3, 2010 at 1:29 am

    Will of the voters? Get real. After watching the developer slate on camera, I can’t help but be scared. How easily manipulated are these voters?

    Sundberg is criminal, Bass is scarily stupid, and the success of Measure N is due to expensive propaganda, not facts. Pretty easy to prove, so I hope HiFi will spare us his BS this week.

  4. Anonymous
    November 3, 2010 at 1:31 am

    We will all find out how developer controlled Sundberg is when he appoints his planning commissioner. The Higgins’ sour grapes crowd will be in for a big disappointment, if they even understand what it means.

  5. Anonymous
    November 3, 2010 at 1:32 am

    Meant to say, Sundberg is a convicted criminal.

  6. Anonymous
    November 3, 2010 at 1:52 am

    As a Higgins supporter who voted for Sundberg, I can say you haven’t a clue why people like me voted for Sundberg. You have a lot of soul searching to do in the days ahead to figure out how you got things so wrong.

    Oh, who am I kidding? You’ll just blame us and continue spouting rhetoric that gives you a smug sense of self satisfaction, but that — as Tuesday showed — has no effect on anyone besides yourself. Or worse, it turns off people who would otherwise agree with you.

  7. Richard
    November 3, 2010 at 1:54 am
  8. tra
    November 3, 2010 at 2:07 am

    I think we’re down to just late-arriving absentee votes (handed in at the precincts or at the Elections Office today) and provisionals. Given that Sundberg’s narrow lead was nevertheless pretty consistent in both the already-counted absentee ballots, and the precinct totals, I would be surprised if the late-arrivals skewed so strongly in favor of Cleary so as to change the outcome. I suppose it is possible, but it seems like there’s a rather low probability that it actually happens. We shall see.

  9. anonymous 93
    November 3, 2010 at 2:35 am

    To the Higgins supporter who voted for Sundberg:
    Why did you vote for him over Cleary? I’d like to understand.
    – from a Higgins supporter who voted for Cleary.

  10. Anonymous
    November 3, 2010 at 2:42 am

    “As a Higgins supporter who voted for Sundberg, I can say you haven’t a clue why people like me voted for Sundberg.”

    Please feel free to explain.

  11. Anonymous
    November 3, 2010 at 3:07 am

    This blog, for one. It’s 99% rhetoric, 1% relevant facts. When a campaign or a campaign’s supporters (or anonymous shadowy bloggers who repost campaign literature verbatim) vilify the opposition it reflects poorly on the people doing the mud slinging. I can’t vote for mud.

  12. Anonymous
    November 3, 2010 at 3:38 am


  13. Anon 1
    November 3, 2010 at 5:06 am

    That’s all bullshit..Wow we, can vote to develop the hell out of Humboldt but someone has to buy these places..if you look at statistics people aren’t fighting to move here. And we have plenty of open commercial space.Quality of life is everything.I thought you were all smarter than that.

  14. Anonymous
    November 3, 2010 at 6:35 am

    The people of Eureka have spoken. Boy am I glad I don’t live there!!

  15. Toohey
    November 3, 2010 at 6:42 am

    All I can say is ha ha! (like Nelson on the Simpsons).

  16. Decline to State
    November 3, 2010 at 6:51 am

    Well, it was nice while it lasted…no wait a minute, it wasn’t really all that nice but it will now most certainly be worse.

  17. Heidi
    November 3, 2010 at 6:54 am

    Forgive them, for they know not what they’ve done.

  18. Dancing
    November 3, 2010 at 6:58 am

    This election was a mandate. Take your righteous indignation into the backwoods, off the grid and try to create the implausible la-la land you dream of. The rest of us are having none of it.

  19. Anonymous
    November 3, 2010 at 7:03 am

    Gotta love it. A mandate for WHAT?

    Boy am I glad I don’t live in Eureka. I intend to take my righteous indignation and my money elsewhere, Dancing. Eureka sucks.

  20. The Challenger
    November 3, 2010 at 7:09 am

    Hardly a mandate, Dancing. One election is meaningless. Was Obama’s election a mandate? As we see, no. Are the teaparty results a mandate, no. The people are fickle, very fickle, and vote their feelings, not their intelligence or best interests.

  21. Dancing
    November 3, 2010 at 7:20 am

    If your ridiculous slate of candidates had won it WOULD have been a mandate, no doubt but because you lost…across the board I might add…it is simply fickle voters. This is precisely why you have no credibility.

  22. Heidi
    November 3, 2010 at 7:28 am

    Dancing, In Christian doctrine, righteous indignation is considered the only form of anger which is not sinful, but you’ve got it wrong, I am not angry at all I am sad…but moving forward and staying right here.

  23. Plain Jane
    November 3, 2010 at 7:31 am

    Maybe Heraldo can start a permanent thread (like quick notes) where people can note the politics of various business owners to make it easier to decide where to shop. The majority of my shopping will be in Arcata but it would be nice to know which Eureka business owners are liberal / progressives so they aren’t boycotted along with their regressive neighbors.

  24. Bolithio
    November 3, 2010 at 7:33 am

    There is no confidence in government. That is what the voters are telling us.

  25. Toohey
    November 3, 2010 at 7:34 am

    Nice Lame Jane let us boycot the people who didn’t vote our way.

  26. Anonymous
    November 3, 2010 at 7:41 am

    Plain Jane sour grapes……………

  27. Anonymous
    November 3, 2010 at 7:43 am

    The only things coming from the south are gang bangers and drug cartels exploiting an ineffective DA’s office. It doesn’t look like that will change. That is the only rampant growth I am worried about.

  28. Big Al
    November 3, 2010 at 7:46 am

    PJ, start with Avalon…
    and HomeDespot (if it ever gets built)
    maybe you should start your own blog devoted to your list

  29. Plain Jane
    November 3, 2010 at 7:48 am

    I don’t want my hard earned money going to fund politicians I believe are corrupt or an agenda that I think is wrong. Call it what you want.

  30. High Finance
    November 3, 2010 at 7:48 am

    Larry Glass lost big partly because of his opposition to the Marina Center & his financially foolish pushing of the Jefferson School. But in large part he lost because Marian Brady is a very positive upbeat person who everybody likes.

    This election shows that Eureka is a conservative town. You cannot blame money because Bonnie had $170,000 dollars & still she lost big. I will agree the money was ridiculous. The two candidates combined spent over $320,000 for six thousand people voting? That comes to over $50 per voter!

    Anytime you guys want to know what Eureka is thinking you should be asking me. All my candidates, except Alison Jackson, won last night.

    And Plain Jane, you still don’t get it. You are a minority in this town. Such a list of “progressive” business owners would backfire. It would put some of them out of business. Didn’t you read the results of Eureka’s elections last night?

  31. Anonymous
    November 3, 2010 at 7:50 am

    Nice to know intolerance is a progressive value.

  32. Eric Kirk
    November 3, 2010 at 8:01 am

    This blog, for one. It’s 99% rhetoric, 1% relevant facts. When a campaign or a campaign’s supporters (or anonymous shadowy bloggers who repost campaign literature verbatim) vilify the opposition it reflects poorly on the people doing the mud slinging. I can’t vote for mud.

    So basically you’re willing to live with a big box which may kill off higher paying jobs by taking out smaller local businesses just to get even with a blogger? Good work!

  33. Joe
    November 3, 2010 at 8:05 am

    Warm up the bulldozers and contracting crews, it looks like there’s a whole new developer and level of interest in town to build, build, build— and make some money rezoning and profiteering— with both the new slate of pro-growth candidates and a citzenry that can be bought and paid for shamelessly by the monied financiers, hoping for a little trickle-down to return to them like pennies from Heaven.

  34. Anonymous
    November 3, 2010 at 8:05 am

    No, HiFi, he didn’t lose because of the Jefferson School, and Brady isn’t a person who everybody likes. He was the target of a VERY well-funded campaign of relentless lies and half-truths, facing a candidate who either didn’t know the truth, or simply didn’t care, about every issue throughout the entire campaign.

    Yes, money was a major player as the Bass crowd had all that undeclared soft money – again. What the candidates spent was outdone by the special interests.

    You are right about being progressives in Eureka being a minority, though. Or morons like Brady and Newman wouldn’t have been elected.

  35. Eric Kirk
    November 3, 2010 at 8:13 am

    Anyway, it’s another day.

    November 3, 2010 at 8:16 am


    no more mudslinging by faceless and nameless chicken people.

    Anyhow, I am wondering if the 5th is less than 100 votes (as of 1:00am this morning), will there be a -paid for re-count???

    Congratulations to all the new representatives – You saved Heraldo’s blog job (I am sure H is grateful).

    Virginia – be ready fo a FRICKEN PACKED house on day 1! Hopefully, taxpayers will understand the need to sterilize the seat your taking over prior to you using it (exorcise those past demons sts).

    Jeffrey Lytle
    McKnleyville – 5th District

  37. Decline to State
    November 3, 2010 at 8:19 am

    I heard this referred to as another “wave election” on the news this morning. It’s where the out-of-office party washes over and replaces the party in power. The last 3 elections have gone that way. The reporter felt it’s not so much voter dissatisfaction with the party in power as it’s a dissatisfaction with a broken system and that we can expect the same sorts of results in upcoming elections thing until the system is repaired.

    November 3, 2010 at 8:21 am


    THIS IS WHY ANY NAMELESS AND FACELESS HERALDOITE OR BLOGGER CAN’T BE TRUSTED – NO INTEGRITY or internal fortitudes becoming. Hmmmm, really it is fear of fear itself; so, what’s the identifying FEAR?


  39. Plain Jane
    November 3, 2010 at 8:24 am

    Does anyone know how much the Arkley faction spent on their attack ads that wasn’t counted as contributions to their slate of candidates?

  40. olmanriver
    November 3, 2010 at 8:30 am

    $50 a vote!
    … reminds of that radical group that sneaks into conferences to appeal for a change in the system where the corporations eliminate the middle men of the electoral process, and buy the votes from the voters directly. I dunno, maybe more than 50some % of the voters would show up to vote…

  41. Plain Jane
    November 3, 2010 at 8:32 am

    HiFi, you still don’t get it. I don’t LIVE in Eureka. I live in Humboldt County. I don’t own my business to right wing Eureka business just because they are located in the closest town. Shopping at businesses whose owners share the same ideology is smart shopping. You have previously stated that you don’t shop at Pierson’s because of his politics so your hypocrisy is clear.

  42. Plain Jane
    November 3, 2010 at 8:35 am

    That $50 a vote doesn’t include the many thousands spent on the attack ads not attributed to any candidate, Olmanriver.

    It should be noted that Xandra Mann’s probably cost Kuhnel the council seat. What a shame.

    November 3, 2010 at 8:37 am

    When people are jobless, starving and homeless PJ,

    I doubt hypocrisy is a huge concern. Not that HiFi is starving, but HiFi is only one vote. People don’t care about others WHEN they are starving, jobless and homeless. This is yet another tool for the pyramid schemers in corporate conversions and cost fixing.


  44. Lodgepole
    November 3, 2010 at 8:42 am

    I’m already printing the bumper stickers: Don’t blame me, I voted for Xandra.

  45. Dancing
    November 3, 2010 at 8:44 am

    Xandra is my new favorite person. There are thousands of us in town waiting in line to kiss her smack on the lips!

  46. Big Al
    November 3, 2010 at 8:48 am

    “It should be noted that Xandra Mann’s probably cost Kuhnel the council seat. What a shame”

    I think so as well

  47. Anonymous
    November 3, 2010 at 8:48 am

    I agree Jane. Kuhnel cost Xandra the election.

  48. Plain Jane
    November 3, 2010 at 8:51 am

    Of course, the fact that more people voted for progressives (Kuhnle and Manns) than voted for Newman is lost on those crowing that Eureka is a conservative town.

  49. November 3, 2010 at 9:00 am


  50. November 3, 2010 at 9:08 am

    Adjust –

    I guess.

    Keep going . . .

  51. Bolithio
    November 3, 2010 at 9:09 am

    My experience is that the people of eureka are centrist. The edge of the bell curve holds progressives and conservatives respectively, and both these groups talk so loud that you dont really get to hear the majority. This fact of course proves my theory that the Apathy Party is still the party of choice.

  52. Un-Named
    November 3, 2010 at 9:14 am

    Your “experience” bolithio? I’m in eureka almost every day…people aren’t talking politics, let alone loudly. My “experience” is people don’t really pay attention, through no fauly of their own, and that the biggest and brightest advertising wins almost every time backed by the voters’ good intentions. This election was no exception.

  53. Un-Named
    November 3, 2010 at 9:19 am

    …I take part of that back, I’m biased against you because you’re an idiot. I wouldn’t call it the Apathy Party though…

  54. I Heart Eureka
    November 3, 2010 at 9:20 am

    Eureka is my hometown. We desperately need smart development. We don’t need more ghost-town, soul-sucking, cookie-cutter retail. Money is right, Carol Connors. Buy up the votes of those who will be hit hardest by selling their souls for piles of cheap crap. Yippee, we can be Redding West! Can’t wait to get me some of that all-you-can-eat shrimp at Red Lobster! Kids, did you know you used to be able to see the Bay from here? Right there, behind those empty storefronts.

    The chipper, in-the-pocket, pep squad crew can now move forward. What do they get? The legacy that will come home to roost for their kids and grandkids. Those who profit first will be unavailable for comment then, wreaking havoc in Louisiana.

  55. humboldturtle
    November 3, 2010 at 9:20 am

    The far left has been guaranteeing conservative seats in Eureka for at least forty years.

  56. Anonymous
    November 3, 2010 at 9:21 am

    I don’t judge the businesses I buy from. They employ people who agree with my politics, even if the owner does not. I have found in life that people who start to the left go more toward the middle or right when they actually own a business and understand the reality of that endeavor. You can be “progressive” and still be a centrist, or even a Republican. I think this election proved that there are many people who don’t want to be stuck in one political party and will vote with their views of what is needed now.

  57. me
    November 3, 2010 at 9:23 am

    Heraldo is irrelevant, completely out of touch and speaking in an echo chamber.

  58. Harold h. Greene
    November 3, 2010 at 9:24 am

    Ms. Mann is not the far left.

  59. November 3, 2010 at 9:25 am

    I voted for Xandra and I would like to thank her for running and giving us a real alternative to the Democratic-Republican monopoly politics.

    Xandra did not cost Kuhnel the election. This town has almost 2-1 Democratic registration and he was hand picked by the Democratic Central Committee. He can’t win a three way race? Preposterous.

    Anyway the local Democratic Party has the resources to fix this anytime they want to buy imposing some kind of run off system for Eureka elections, even if they have to mobilize some kind of initiative to do it. No more three way spoiler problem.

    You Dems can do this anytime you want to.

    have a peaceful day,

  60. Cristina Bauss
    November 3, 2010 at 9:31 am

    What drives voters is a lot more complex than shiny ads and bottomless pits of money. Meg Whitman just spent $160 million+ to lose in double digits, and the efforts of Tesoro, Valero and the Koch Bros. to shove 23 down Californians’ throats were even more unsuccessful. I think most people know how they’re going to vote from the beginning, and neither shiny ads nor intelligent debate sways their minds. Why? Because humans are stubborn. They know what they know and they’re not gonna change their minds!

  61. Plain Jane
    November 3, 2010 at 9:32 am

    There isn’t really any argument against the fact most of the votes Xandra received would have gone to Ron if she hadn’t been in the race, Bill. Would you have voted for Newman if she wasn’t in the race? I think not.

  62. Un-Named
    November 3, 2010 at 9:36 am

    “They know what they know and they’re not gonna change their minds” I’ll agree with that…but that’s where the PR comes in. The reason for PR is it works, and it’s a lot more than shiny signs and advertisements…that’s a simplified way of saying it. It’s injected into our consciousness from various outlets, the most successful being our own peers. Get one influential friend to agree, the rest will follow.

  63. Question Everything
    November 3, 2010 at 9:36 am

    What does Meg Whitman’s loss say about money in politics? If money is so powerful why do self funded campaigns almost always fail?

  64. Harold h. Greene
    November 3, 2010 at 9:37 am

    It was more like, not seeing the forest for the trees …

  65. Un-Named
    November 3, 2010 at 9:40 am

    Meg was/is a relative unknown, Jerry’s been around for decades and has served the heart of the bay area for some time now, with an immediate track record behind him. Consider how close it was with a newcomer going against him…that’s the money.

  66. Harold h. Greene
    November 3, 2010 at 9:41 am

    “What does Meg Whitman’s loss say about money in politics? ”

    that * her * blatant lies and hypocrisy were just too ugly ?

  67. Anonymous
    November 3, 2010 at 9:42 am

    Still haven’t heard from Brady, Newman, Bass about how they are going to attract businesses that will offer my kids real employment opportunities. All they seem to know is the national retail/construction model. Meanwhile, Arcata continues to kick our ass with real manufacturing and cultivating a entrepreneurial atmosphere that leads to local products and jobs.
    Of course Eureka could always revive liquefied natural gas or some other toxic scheme that no other community will accept.

  68. Un-Named
    November 3, 2010 at 9:42 am

    …in other words…a year ago, nobody knew who Meg Whitdork was, this year she took almost half the vote to run the state. That says a LOT about what money does.

  69. anadromous
    November 3, 2010 at 9:43 am

    I think one of the primary reasons progressives took a slap in the face this election is the fact that there was so much division within the progressive community. Too many conflicted egos…an unwillingness to coordinate for our common future. And I also agree that people are clamoring for (any) change in a futile attempt to get away from a system that is failing due to decades of neglect.

  70. Anonymous
    November 3, 2010 at 9:44 am

    time to stop talking $#!% and move on…

  71. Anonymous
    November 3, 2010 at 9:46 am

    I thought you told JL to stop filling your blog with his long paste and cuts. It takes long enough to scroll past his incomprehensible (i.e. poorly written) rants, but this is too much.
    I can’t take it; not today of all days!

  72. High Finance
    November 3, 2010 at 9:46 am

    Ode to Bonnie.

  73. November 3, 2010 at 9:48 am

    I thought you told JL to stop filling your blog with his long paste and cuts.

    I told him the same. Comments deleted.

  74. Bolithio
    November 3, 2010 at 9:49 am

    I’m biased against you because you’re an idiot.

    LOL. Not to insult your vast intelligence, but Ill attempt to clarify my point: Add up the people who don’t vote (the apathy party) and compare them with people who actually vote. Doesn’t Apathy win by a landslide in every election nation wide?

  75. Un-Named
    November 3, 2010 at 9:50 am

    HAHAHAHA!!! seriously LOLing!!! anonymous 9:46, your life must be fantastic…

    “It takes long enough to scroll past” LOL!!!! I’d link to Styx’s “too much time on my hands” video, but I don’t have time to hunt it down.

  76. Anonymous
    November 3, 2010 at 9:50 am

    Nice post HiFi, but…

    Tell me about the new Eureka council: who has no brains, who has no heart, who has no courage?

    And, who is the man behind the curtain pulling the levers?

  77. anonymous
    November 3, 2010 at 9:52 am

    The sour grapes is leaving a bad taste people..grow up! The fact is Progs didn’t prevail-time to go back to the drawing board and figure out how to run your campaigns to be more ‘mass appeal’ tuning out the other side hasn’t been working for yous.

  78. Un-Named
    November 3, 2010 at 9:56 am

    I disagree, bolithio. Because most people don’t vote, I don’t think the people who do are apathetic.

  79. humboldturtle
    November 3, 2010 at 9:56 am

    It’s too easy to buy an election in Eureka.

  80. Anonymous
    November 3, 2010 at 9:57 am

    HJ- could you just break down the above post in a paragraph or so to explain to us folks what the ramifications are? Thank you.

  81. Anonymous
    November 3, 2010 at 10:02 am

    QE2 is not the best alternative. Current economic problems are the result of too much capital and too little demand. Dumping more money into the economy may push some investors into riskier investments but without demand from consumers there won’t be much to invest in.

    I consider myself to be a conservative but strongly believe more supply side stimulus is useless in todays environment. In the 1950’s Eisenhower raised the top marginal tax bracket to 90% (to pay off war debt) and the economy thrived as he built out the national highway system funded education etc.

    Regans supply side policies worked because in the 70 there was a supply side problem (too much consumer demand and not enough investment). Unfortunately they have become dogma. We need a more realistic and objective political environment but reasoned unemotional platforms don’t win elections.

  82. Anonymous
    November 3, 2010 at 10:06 am

    surf dumbs up!

  83. Bolithio
    November 3, 2010 at 10:07 am

    Un-nammed, next time before you call me an idiot, slow down and read what Im saying. Thats my point. People who dont vote are apathetic. AND most people dont vote.

  84. tra
    November 3, 2010 at 10:07 am

    In my opinion, the excuse that the conservatives “bought” the 4th district Supes seat is not very persuasive. It is undermined by the fact that so many of those who voted against Neely nonetheless voted for Gallegos and Jerry Brown.

    Neeley had plenty of resources, had huge name recognition, all the benefits of incumbency, a professional campaign staff, lots of high-profile endorsements and a far-from-perfect opponent…but she still lost bigtime.

    Hopefully there’s a bit more in the way of real introspection going on among 4th District “progressives” than we see on this site, because if they want to win next time around, they’re going to have to come up with a more honest and accurate assessment of how they lost so big this time, even as a significant portion of those voting against Neeley were willing to, at the same time, give their votes to Gallegos and Brown.

    I don’t have the answer, by the way, but I do know that “big money bought it for Bass” is just not a plausible explanation.

  85. Un-Named
    November 3, 2010 at 10:11 am

    Sorry, bolithio, but there’s plenty of studies to show more people voting wouldn’t change much at all. Chalk up a loss, dude…everybody “cares”…it’s whether or not they think it will make a difference, what else they have to do, what else is going on in their life, etc. etc. etc. I guess I have more faith in people than you? Bold face type doesn’t read more loudly to me or anybody, btw.

  86. Angel
    November 3, 2010 at 10:16 am

    $50 a vote? Dude, just give me the money and you can have my vote.

  87. Anonymous
    November 3, 2010 at 10:26 am

    Whether or not money bought the election, a lot was spent. It worked in Arkley’s favor and nobody will even know what the outcome might have been otherwise or whether it was money well-spent. I’m sure he feels it was. Now maybe he will move on, tend to business and get his finances in order.

  88. Auntie Arkley
    November 3, 2010 at 10:27 am

    Obviously, 70%+ of brain-dead voters lack the capacity for logic and reason, and have given the green light to pave over paradise. Greed won. Sincerely, fuck you all.

    As for Marian Brady: I’ve know her for many years and I have to say that she is dumber than a doornail. Eureka is screwed.

  89. anon
    November 3, 2010 at 10:30 am

    I can hardly wait for people to actually get what they voted for: Arkley,Matt,Tyson etc pulling the strings.

  90. Vivian
    November 3, 2010 at 10:33 am

    Dear Heraldo:


    Cheer up. With all this extra time on their hands, maybe Larry can hire Bonnie to make some t-shirts and stickers for him. See? We all win!

  91. Un-Named
    November 3, 2010 at 10:38 am

    So who are some of you gonna blame for the state of Humboldt in the coming years? Pay very close attention to what unfolds in that light…

  92. tra
    November 3, 2010 at 10:52 am

    Un-Named makes a good point at 10:38. The conservatives will now dominate the Eureka City Council 4-1, and with Neeley gone and Sundberg seeming likely to win in the 5th, the balance on the Board of Supes seems to be tipping significantly in their favor as well.

    So in a couple of years, if the promised Jobs, Jobs, Jobs for Eureka don’t materialize, who will Eureka Cons be able to blame for their failure? I guess their core base supporters will be more than willing to go along with assigning the blame to Obama, Jerry Brown, the Coastal Commission, or some other out-of-area scapegoat — but the swing voters may be less forgiving.

    Basically, Brady, Newman, Madsen, Jager and Bass have all made a whole lot of shiny, happy promises about what they could accomplish if only those pesky progressive no-growthers were swept out of power. Making those promises was the easy part…keeping them will be another matter.

  93. Bolithio
    November 3, 2010 at 11:01 am

    but there’s plenty of studies to show more people voting wouldn’t change much at all.

    Show me one such study. How can anyone have such a conclusion? You can guess how people who don’t vote would have voted, but its just that: a guess.

    I believe that if 80% of people voted, we would see much more liberal policy. But, thats just a guess too, lol

  94. November 3, 2010 at 11:02 am

    The progressives have never been in power in Eureka.

  95. Anonymous
    November 3, 2010 at 11:03 am

    TRA at 10:07 pretty much nailed it.

  96. tra
    November 3, 2010 at 11:04 am

    “I believe that if 80% of people voted, we would see much more liberal policy.”

    Well that all depends on which 80%.

  97. anonymous
    November 3, 2010 at 11:04 am

    Well there are plenty of stats to show that the least likely demographic to vote is young: 18-24 year olds. And studies also show the young skews left.

  98. Fed Up with Bass
    November 3, 2010 at 11:06 am

    Well, the corporations have won. Big Money rules the day. Campaigns filled with outright lies and inuendo sway enough voters (the ones who pay little attention to real issues) to take the prize. There was no MANDATE, not with only half the voters voting. 51% 0f 50% is barely 25% which is not a majority. Sadly, Eureka now returns to the ‘good old days’ of power bosses and councils that rubber stamp the wishes of their rulers. What could have been a beautiful city with great resources now becomes just another coprporate money suck. Sorry, guys. If that’s what you want, that’s what you get. I sure hope the minimum wage jobs and the cheap crap are worth it. Now I think I’ll go PUKE!

  99. Anonymous
    November 3, 2010 at 11:09 am

    I hope someone is keeping track of the state of the County: pre- and post-Bass. Will it remain in the black? Will state and federal funding continue at the same level? Will good-paying jobs increase or decrease? I don’t really think the county sups can control the state and national economy, but this is the standard Bass has set – “are things better now than before Neely got elected” The corollary: “are things better now Bass has been elected?”

    On the bright side (for some of us) – the Coastal Commission under Brown will not become pro-sprawl/development and, whether they like it or not, the Arkleys of the state will have to abide by their standards.

  100. WTF
    November 3, 2010 at 11:13 am

    Did anyone else have a Walmart webpage pop up when you opened this discussion ?? Seriously ?

  101. tra
    November 3, 2010 at 11:14 am

    I was surprised that Larry Glass lost, and lost by such a large margin. I’m not really surprised at all by the other results.

  102. Sevens
    November 3, 2010 at 11:20 am

    Whiners. Enough of the conspiracy theories and blaming diatribes. Sometimes democracy delivers results we don’t like. That’s part of its genius. Accept, adapt, learn from past mistakes, and live to fight another day.

  103. Eric Kirk
    November 3, 2010 at 11:21 am

    What drives voters is a lot more complex than shiny ads and bottomless pits of money. Meg Whitman just spent $160 million+ to lose in double digits, and the efforts of Tesoro, Valero and the Koch Bros. to shove 23 down Californians’ throats were even more unsuccessful. I think most people know how they’re going to vote from the beginning, and neither shiny ads nor intelligent debate sways their minds. Why? Because humans are stubborn. They know what they know and they’re not gonna change their minds!

    I completely agree Christina. Money can make a difference, but I think in those cases it actually backfired. You can’t “buy” an election. Ultimately you need the majority of people to go into the booth and vote your way.

    It does make a difference. Citizens United probably was a huge factor in the House Republican win last night as Democrats were facing 10s of millions in small districts. If it’s spent well, it’s effective. Meg didn’t spend well, and the voters didn’t like her.

    But in some respects Citizens United is a red herring. Ultimately it’s individuals who cast the votes, and they are who we need to reach. That’s more important than legislation or Constitutional Amendments.

  104. Eric Kirk
    November 3, 2010 at 11:23 am

    Did anyone else have a Walmart webpage pop up when you opened this discussion ?? Seriously ?

    Umm, no. Nor am I gazing at tangerine trees and marmalade skies.

  105. Cristina Bauss
    November 3, 2010 at 11:32 am

    Feeling loopy after your long night of gazing at election results? ;)

  106. Cristina Bauss
    November 3, 2010 at 11:34 am

    P.S.: That was a response to your second comment, not your first!

  107. Ma Kettle
    November 3, 2010 at 11:40 am

    Heraldo, let me just give you a great big thank you for maintaining a place where we can have a discussion–even the posters who come to act like assholes can’t stay away. Kudos.

  108. Un-Named
    November 3, 2010 at 12:10 pm

    Bolithio says “show me”…I say “look it up.” I did. That’s also how I base my political decisions…and you?

  109. Reinventing The Wheel
    November 3, 2010 at 12:10 pm

    The majority that voted have spoken for majority that didn’t:


  110. Think About It
    November 3, 2010 at 12:36 pm

    I’m a registered Democrat. With that said, my fellow Dems can make me so mad sometimes. Why is it that they throw their votes away to third-party candidates? You don’t see Republicans doing that. The Republicans run to win; the Dems run to “be right.” And, in the process — as seen locally — lose every time. Argh.

  111. Not A Native
    November 3, 2010 at 12:37 pm

    No joy in Mudville. Cleary and Glass defeats surprised me.

    I’m happy Rodoni was defeated on general principles. But that position, like county clerk, is mostly symbolic with little room for substantive policy decisions.

    Gallegos’ victory is encouraging, but its an orphan. Now Rose has a reason to live for the next four years. Don’t know if thats a good or bad thing….

    No one here has yet commented that prop 19 failed in HumCo. To me, it shows that the downside of legalization is important to HumCo voters. FWIW, prop 19 passed in the more liberal San Francisco and San Mateo counties.

  112. Anonymous
    November 3, 2010 at 12:43 pm

    I agree with much of what 12:36 has to say especially running “to be right” and not being more pragmatic about how to get the vote. That said, the Dems did prevail at the state level in CA.

  113. Plain Jane
    November 3, 2010 at 1:28 pm

    Years ago I read a quote by the leader of NORML. He said that the reason pot wouldn’t become legal is that people who profit from it being illegal won’t work for legalization, those who use it can’t afford to donate to legalize it, and the rest are opposed to it’s use.

  114. Oldphart
    November 3, 2010 at 1:30 pm

    Take a pill, get a tissue all you cry babies. Calling anyone who doesn’t agree with you stupid may just not be a viable option for creating something positive.

  115. Not A Native
    November 3, 2010 at 1:36 pm

    Yep Think About It, its frustrating to be restrained by principles that can lead to losses by an adversary without those restraints. Why not retaliate in kind letting the ends justify the means?

    That conundrum constantly comes up, as the recent dabate of use of torture and random killing as methods to prevail in conflicts. Having a conscience is somewhat of a burden. But winning at all costs just isn’t a liberal principle. So the corollary must be that you will suffer defeats because of that.

    I believe that nonetheless there is a ‘silver lining’ for liberals. Liberals hunker down, accepting the more frequent losses and have better everyday lives and live in more harmony than the ‘winning is all’ crowd who must constantly be on alert for an even more ruthless adversary. Continuously preparing and equipping for war makes for a stressful and anxious life. Just check out the pharmacy shelves for the vast quantity of stomach and headache remedies that are consumed. I certainly don’t use much of those and I count my blessings.

  116. anonymous
    November 3, 2010 at 1:37 pm

    If Heraldo is right “the progs have never been in power” which I do not agree with btw…but if so Heraldo, why not? What thing do progs want that is so unpalatable to the voters here?

    The whining and moaning that one of the largest turnouts to the polls and maybe a record turnout for a midterm is not an indication of what this community wants…is Prit-ty lame.

    You guys have become the good ole boys that you so oft complain of. Your Neely candidate outspent the winner and you’re bitching about the cost per voter wtf?

    Maybe you should go to your rooms for a few days or weeks until you snap out of this crappy mood.

  117. Rumbustious
    November 3, 2010 at 2:00 pm

    People tend to vote for people who seem likable, and/or folks who appear more or less like themselves. They vote their feelings much more than they vote issues. Feelings are far more visceral and powerful than issue-based arguments. Conservatives have discovered how to tap into this, especially feelings based on fear or anger. Liberals/progressives tend to focus on issues, programs, and intellectual arguments. They also tend to come across as superior, preachy,m and off-putting. So they tend to lose, unless they really (at a gut level) seem especially likable, or exciting of hope for something different or better. This happens less often.

    A GREAT book for understanding these dynamics is Thom Hartmann’s “Cracking the Code”. Libs/progressives would do well to read and understand it.

    Two important reasons Bonnie Neely lost:
    1) She’d been around a long time. It was anti-incumbent night and she was old hat. Been there, done that. Competence/skill not relevant.
    2) Virginia Bass seemed nicer, more likable, more appealing to look at. And was somebody new, so more difficult to attack for what she’d done.

  118. anonymous
    November 3, 2010 at 2:19 pm

    Neely and Bass talked about jobs and improvements, but they really didn’t produce in the years they had in office. Neely had good times and bad, but not because of what she did, but more because of ups and downs in the economy. I’m afraid of the total swing of power in the Eureka government, but more afraid of the inability of the local community to get together to accomplish much of anything.

  119. High Finance
    November 3, 2010 at 3:11 pm

    Thats because politicians don’t create jobs, businesses do. Local politicians in particular have minimal effect on jobs.

    And Heraldo is right. “Progressives” (let’s call them by their real name shall we?) LIBERALS have never been in control of Eureka.

    Why is that? Because Eureka is not a liberal town.

  120. Barb Leonard
    November 3, 2010 at 3:18 pm

    Here’s a hint: calling voters stupid and uneducated is not a winning strategy. DING!! Voters are the ones who make the decision.

    You guys are too funny! You remind me of a circular firing squad. Perhaps when the dust settles you will re-think the ploy to boycott all businesses that don’t aspire to your lofty ideology. Tripe DING!! That’s not a winner either.

    Motto of all who hold office should be “to do no harm”. So try running that theory up the flag pole and see if anyone salutes it.

  121. Zumbo
    November 3, 2010 at 3:54 pm

    PJ’s threat to boycott local businesses who do not support her agenda is just plain foolish. That is no strategy at all. And I hope it’s just the anger of The Morning After.

    I am a dyed in the wool Progressive and was involved in a number of losing campaigns this year. I am very disappointed. Heartbroken and pissed off.

    I also own a business that caters to all people, not just Progs. I have a number of customers who I am diametrically opposed to their politics, but are good loyal customers, good people and they support me knowing my politics and who I support.

    I am proud to say that I have had Jerry Partain and John Wooley in my store at the same time. It was pretty funny.

    Boycotting local small businesses because you don’t like their politics…..hum….then I guess I can’t go to my favorite mechanic who has always been fair and honest and does a great job. He’s a republican. Or deal with the guy who has been doing maintenance on my house for years. He probably voted for Bass. Too bad, because they are great people and I have always been happy to support them and their families. Even if they don’t vote like me.

    We lost. As John Stewart told the Republicans two years ago, it’s supposed to taste like a shit taco. But boycotting local businesses is just Plain Stuid.

  122. Anon
    November 3, 2010 at 4:02 pm

    Careful Barb, your hardheadedness and inability to see the bigger picture cost the community a lot of time energy and resources that could have been better spent and there are some very hard feelings. Not exactly a circular firing squad but you sure shot yourself in the foot.

  123. Anonymous
    November 3, 2010 at 4:18 pm

    I agree with Zumbo, there is much to life besides our political leanings.

  124. Anonymous
    November 3, 2010 at 4:21 pm

    Hi Fi says, “Thats because politicians don’t create jobs, businesses do.”

    Utter BS HiFi!
    Yes, businesses create jobs but so do politicians and the government. I even read your acknowledgment of this fact when someone was stating that pot was the largest source of income in Hum Co. YOU and someone else stated it was government. The jobs of construction workers on the waterfront and street pavers in Eureka are a direct consequence of government funds provided by politicians. Grocery stores, clothing stores, banks, real estate agents, etc. etc all receive money from the vast number of government workers in our anrea. These are jobs – they are supported by goverment dollars that are allocated by politicians. You may not like this economy, but it is a fact. Politicians do create jobs and Humboldt County has a lot of them (The County, HSU, Coast Guard, Veterans services, CR, and the list goes on and on. My neighbor also goes on and on about “the private sector”. However, he made most of his money through contracts with the colleges and the county. He is indeed a government funded worker – perhaps you, HiFi, are as well.

  125. Plain Jane
    November 3, 2010 at 4:23 pm

    That’s your opinion, Zumbo. I believe helping conservatives defeat progressive candidates and causes by patronizing their businesses is beyond stupid, it’s political suicide. Taking conservative customer’s money isn’t helping them to increase their power. The super rich have been waging war on the working classes forever and we keep giving them the money to increase their power. That’s INSANE.

  126. Anonymous
    November 3, 2010 at 4:25 pm

    Larry loss because he is not a consensus builder he is a cranky, dividing, curmudgeon. I’ve had people ask me “who is that big A-hole”.

  127. Anonymous
    November 3, 2010 at 4:30 pm

    You know what’s insane, Jane? The very computer you are writing on and the internet it travels on was created by and is controlled by the super rich? Try boycotting that?

  128. Not A Native
    November 3, 2010 at 4:32 pm

    Oh what sanctimonius BS ! Does anyone not believe that Arkley(and his loyal subordinates) boycott Pierson’s for one example? There is plenty of other ‘exclusive’ dealing going on around town, like Strombeck ‘boycotting’ Coast Central in favor of Redwood Capital Bank. And can you recall how many people have openly declared their umbrage and commitment to ‘never shop again in Arcata’ because of some proclamation or other ordinance passed by the city.

    You know, when the big boys trade exclusively with their like minded friends, they call it ‘cultivating business relationships’. But when us average folk do it, its an inflamatory and harmful boycott.

    Well, in my book, whats good for the goose is good for the gander. BTW, I’ll never set foot in Mike’s fries and I’m proud of it. Just as proud as Arkley is for never setting foot in Pierson’s.

  129. Plain Jane
    November 3, 2010 at 4:43 pm

    Such an ORIGINAL concept, 4:30. If I lived in a town where the only place to shop was Walmart, I’d have to shop there; but Arcata is just a few miles up the road. I drive a truck made by a big corporation and the gas to run it as well.

    And Nan, HiFi and other posters have repeatedly said they boycott Pierson’s because of his political donations.

  130. Plain Jane
    November 3, 2010 at 4:45 pm

    Why give your political enemies ammunition to use against you? INSANE!

  131. Bolithio
    November 3, 2010 at 4:46 pm

    I agree that boycotting local business is counterproductive. We are in this together. The supper elite are not our local businesses – even if you can indirectly connect them. I mean jesus, we all use gas, right? Are we all responsible mid-east conflict? Maybe we are…but it goes both ways.

    We need to strengthen our bonds together as a community – not further divide it. Resist the easy temptation of the Dark Side.

  132. Plain Jane
    November 3, 2010 at 4:52 pm

    Bolithio, local conservative business owners join with the super elite in their class war against the working classes. If everyone “shopped for a better world” we would HAVE a better world.

  133. Bolithio
    November 3, 2010 at 4:56 pm

    Shopping is not going to make a better world.

  134. Bolithio
    November 3, 2010 at 5:00 pm

    Hey Jane, you seriously consider people who vote differently than you enemies? Talk about insane! lol

  135. Just Saying
    November 3, 2010 at 5:04 pm

    For the record, Arcata has had liberal dominance on the council for some time now, and its budget is solid, there is a thriving light industrial economy, and a strong law and order presence.

    Eureka is the opposite and, well, look at the scene there.

    Just sayin’

  136. Plain Jane
    November 3, 2010 at 5:25 pm

    I’m not going to waste my time trying to convince someone too dense to understand that our shopping choices are more powerful than our votes or that the rich have been waging war on the workers forever. You might recognize yourself in Matt Taibbi’s American Peasant essay.

  137. Plain Jane
    November 3, 2010 at 5:26 pm

    I consider people who vote to turn this country into a fascist plutocracy my enemies, Bolithio. If you had any sense, you would too.

  138. High Finance
    November 3, 2010 at 5:43 pm

    Anon 4.21pm. That is a common misperception. The jobs that government provides comes at a net loss of jobs in the private sector. The pay for those government jobs comes from monies seized from the private sector who then cannot hire employees.

    Bolithio, partisan hatred has driven Plain Jane over the edge. Yes, PJ, I do boycott Pierson’s but he is the only one. That is because he has gone way over the top & has donated hundreds of thousands of dollars openly to liberals & Democrats. But I still go to Los Bagels, I still use a Dem property manager for my rentals and I still hire Democrats as employees.

    Your twisted hatred would backfire on your buddies if conservatives returned your boycott in kind. Most of your liberal business owners would quickly be out of business.

  139. Plain Jane
    November 3, 2010 at 5:58 pm

    Hatred of fascists just comes naturally to me, color me true blue.

  140. Mr. Nice
    November 3, 2010 at 6:06 pm

    he jobs that government provides comes at a net loss of jobs in the private sector. The pay for those government jobs comes from monies seized from the private sector who then cannot hire employees.

    Then when taxes cause local businesses to be overrun by outside business, the government has less tax receipts and less money for government jobs.

    High Finance, the problem with saying this around here is 1/5 of people are public sector employees of some type. Few work for businesses that produce commodities or provide non-public critical services. Public sector folks will never take this point seriously as they want to sell magic government job creation to wannabe public sector folks.

    This shouldn’t be about the Marina Center or leaving it a railcar underside junk dynasty. I’d rather some people working at home depot than need five more corrections officers to watch over people who resort to crime for lack of job opportunity.

  141. Just Saying
    November 3, 2010 at 6:11 pm

    I think all leftists, progressives, whatever should take this pledge: we should frame everything the conservatives are doing as it should rightfully be framed as – fascism. Collusion between the govt and private business is that, and it is the precursor to a Pinochet, Hitler, Mussolini nightmare.

  142. Anonymous
    November 3, 2010 at 6:23 pm

    HiFi – there is no misperception (even if you say so). YOU SAID “politicians don’t create jobs{. In fact, THEY DO and I gave you several examples.
    Whether this takes away from private sector jobs is a debatable secondary issue, but it does not support your blanket statement.
    Secondly, there are plenty of economists who would disagree with you, especially when considering local economics.
    Take away the government jobs of Humboldt County and what are you left with – Weott (oops they have State Park jobs).
    There is a net influx of tax dollars into our area. An untaxed private sector in this area would not be capable of generating the current level of employment. We tried that here, and even when we attempted to chop every tree and catch every fish we still could not sustain the boom and the private sector jobs.

  143. Am I stupid to suggest...
    November 3, 2010 at 6:30 pm

    is there any chance in hell that there will ever be a onsenses

  144. Bolithio
    November 3, 2010 at 6:35 pm

    Slow down miss angry pants. Whats the purpose of blogging? You do want to convince people of your ideas. And before you go on calling people dense and senseless, you might re-think how to get through to people.

    Or, you can just go on being an agent of polarization becoming fascist yourself.

  145. Plain Jane
    November 3, 2010 at 6:41 pm

    I’m not going to try to convince people with false flattery, Bolithio, especially people like you who don’t even know what a fascist is.

  146. Plain Jane
    November 3, 2010 at 6:51 pm

    Neither HiFi nor Mr. Nice have considered the multiplier effect of govt. jobs. Those govt. employees spend their paychecks in local businesses, far more than what those businesses pay in taxes. Government employees should boycott conservative business owners too as should union employees. Stop aiding and abetting the fascists who are trying to cut your wages and political power.

  147. Redwood
    November 3, 2010 at 7:03 pm

    Agreed on Neely.Palin politics worked.Endorsing AJax didn’t help.She lost it in June.Newman got less than 50%.No big mandate there.

  148. Am I stupid to suggest...
    November 3, 2010 at 7:03 pm

    Good grief people???! How can we have peace in the world if we can’t even find it between neighbors? Is there any way we can come together for at least a little while to hear each other and talk each other into an understanding? OMG…all parties scare me!

  149. Decline to State
    November 3, 2010 at 7:12 pm

    I feel your pain Plain J…but I prefer to give it a big sigh/shrug and try to move on. I chalk it up to ugly/divisive politics and the great unwashed/smelly voting public. Both continuously disappoint me.

  150. Mr. Nice
    November 3, 2010 at 7:20 pm

    Plain Jane, so what a government employee spends some of our seized money in the community while still losing half of it back to taxes.

    When businesses run out of money, they go into bankruptcy. When the government runs out of money… the fuck do they do? Take more. The real multiplier effect is every government expenditure ensures multiple taxes. Rubio and Paul did win. Audit the Fed and shit. It’s all got to change.

  151. Plain Jane
    November 3, 2010 at 7:27 pm

    At what point in history do you want to take the country back to, Mr. Nice? Have you ever wondered why this country had its greatest period of growth and the biggest gains for the working classes when marginal tax rates were over double what they are today? Do you understand that denser concentration of wealth at the top is bad for this country? Why would anyone prefer a larger share of a stagnate economy than a smaller share of a robust one?

  152. humboldturtle
    November 3, 2010 at 7:41 pm

    No on N!
    No on N!

  153. Un-Named
    November 3, 2010 at 7:48 pm

    The gubmunt pulled over a trillion dollars out of nowhere for corporate money to make more money…they find it in their wallet to fund overseas ventures into the trillions…no different stateside, remember the bay bridge was supposed to be free by, what, the year 2000? New tobacco taxes every year, etc. etc. If this is where we are now, what good have any taxes from the entire history of this country done? Taxes haven’t been, aren’t and never will be “the answer” to economic woes. The government could raise federal minimum wage to ten bucks an hour tomorrow…before 8am.

  154. Funnygirl
    November 3, 2010 at 7:54 pm

    When in trouble
    When in doubt
    Run in circles
    Scream and shout!

  155. tra
    November 3, 2010 at 7:54 pm

    I’m not sure which is worse: The gloaters or the sore losers.

  156. Anonymous
    November 3, 2010 at 7:58 pm

    Mr Nice,
    There is so much more government money coming into Humboldt County than going out, it’s not even close. We benefit from a rich state and plenty of federal spending.

    I really wish we could allow you to keep all of your tax money with the condition that no government workers could spend money at your establishment (if you own one), and if you do not own your own business your employer could not pay you with any money gained through sales or services to govt workers or anyone receiving govt grant money. In addition, you could not be paid from any funds gained through government contracts or other services, or funds received from govt employees renting or buying homes, buildings, or property through your employer. Also, you would not receive police or fire protection, your kids would not be allowed to attend any public schools – charter, subsidized private schools, and public colleges included. You would not receive medicare, social security, or even military protection.
    Good luck.

  157. Bolithio
    November 3, 2010 at 8:02 pm

    Ok PJ, dont waste your time on me, I don’t even know what fascism is. LOL

    So who exactly areyou wasting your time on here? Why blog if not to share ideas? I didn’t have you down as one who posts only to read themselves… Are you really just looking for amens’ and go girls?

    The funny thing is you (and most people on here who insult me ever time I post) always have me pegged completely wrong politically. Your not listening. The second someone questions your beliefs you burn them at the stake. Thats not the kind of unity that would compel someone to consider a so-called progressive agenda.

    We need change in this country right? You think the elite want us to work together? You are being your own worst enemy tonight PJ.

  158. Bolithio
    November 3, 2010 at 8:09 pm

    Arcata also has a major university, a modest working forest that yields millions of feet in timber annually, little to no poverty, higher property values, and so on.

    Just sayin…

  159. Anonymous
    November 3, 2010 at 8:10 pm

    It’s called a “post-mortem” and it’s a natural reaction to discuss, vent, gloat, and generally analyze the results. It would be disturbing if it went on for weeks, but it is really quite healthy to go over the ups and downs of a process that people had invested so much time and energy. We’re not Vulcans – I’d be more disturbed if there was no reaction.
    Sometimes you try to hard to be reasonable.

  160. tra
    November 3, 2010 at 8:21 pm

    Well, calling any and all local conservative business owners “fascists” is, I suppose, one way of responding to disappointing election outcomes. I don’t think it’s a particularly constructive approach, in fact it seems likely to be counterproductive.

    Personally, I think the definition of “fascist” is being stretched a bit far here. I really don’t think that ANY of our local candidates who won office in this election comes close to qualifying as “fascist,” at least not in the commonly understood meaning of the word (supporting the establishment of a right-wing totalitarian dictatorship).

  161. tra
    November 3, 2010 at 8:29 pm

    Anon 8:10,

    I realize people want to rehash and discuss the election results, try to analyze why various peoplen and initiatives won and lost, and so on, and that’s just fine with me. Hey, that’s what I come here looking for, too.

    What I was complaining about was the quality of the discussion.

    Which, admittedly, I didn’t add much to by rudely summing it up as “gloaters” vs. “sore losers.”

    Still, I think that many of the commenters above have earned one or the other of these titles with their comments today.

  162. Largo
    November 3, 2010 at 8:54 pm

    What a relief. The next time somebody with too many kids bitches to me about the lack of jobs here, I’m going to suggest that they have a chat with Sundberg and Bass and Newman and the Brady Lady.

  163. Good Grief
    November 3, 2010 at 9:04 pm

    We can’t stop shopping in Eureka-the general fund comes from the freaking sales tax! Property tax is a very small percentage of the general fund so taking your business elsewhere doesnt hurt the conservatives it hurts You, PJ! Get a g.d. grip woman.

    We are in this for better or worser ‘together’ and the stupid name calling each other Hitler, crazy, whatthefuckever isn’t helping the situation.

    Government employees know who butters their bread they arent going to get all political about their shopping habits to make you happy.

    Sure Im not jazzed about all the politics but I have accounts at most of the banks and credit unions and I shop at all the hardware stores (feeling guilty every time I need something at a Home Depot out of town and the sales tax doesn’t come back here.

    If we’re going to have some meaningful dialogue lets stick with the Facts to start with.

  164. Plain Jane
    November 3, 2010 at 9:07 pm

    Come on TRA, you know I didn’t call all conservative business owners fascists. They support the fascists with their donations and votes because it is in their own financial interest and they don’t care about the damage it does to our country. Patronizing businesses who contribute to the destruction of the middle class and the further consolidation of wealth and political power at the top is voting with your dollars against your own best interests. And people say poor conservatives are dumb.

  165. Bolithio
    November 3, 2010 at 9:24 pm

    Exactly. There is a difference between a fascist and a soup nazi.

  166. tra
    November 3, 2010 at 9:41 pm

    “They support the fascists with their donations and votes.”

    So you’re not calling local conservative business owners “fascists,” you’re saying that they support fascist candidates. Do I have that straight now?

    So, who exactly are these “fascists” that the local conservative business owners support with their donations and votes?

    I will repeat: Personally, I think the definition of “fascist” is being stretched a bit far here. I really don’t think that ANY of our local candidates who won office in this election comes close to qualifying as “fascist,” at least not in the commonly understood meaning of the word (supporting the establishment of a right-wing totalitarian dictatorship).

  167. Plain Jane
    November 3, 2010 at 9:56 pm

    It isn’t just who they support locally that matters, TRA. I suppose you think local government completely controlled by a small group of deceitful rich conservatives is a huge difference. Never mind. It’s too much to expect that people would actually take a second to think if the item they need might be available at a store owned by a progressive.

  168. Anonymous
    November 3, 2010 at 9:58 pm

    I feel as though I (personally) both won and lost last night and am resigned to the outcomes. However, I appreciate a forum to rehash the results, vent a little and see other points of view. I do find it interesting that the big spenders lost at the state level and won locally. I’m not sure (yet) what it means but am disappointed in the direction Eureka appears to be heading. Maybe the new council will surprise us, but I’m not so hopeful. It makes me more anxious than ever to relocate – if only the Marina Center brings about a nice increase in property values! (Then I’m out of here.)

  169. Anonymous
    November 3, 2010 at 10:01 pm

    There is no business that supports only one party, to my knowledge. Most have employees or co-owners that are in different political groups. PJ is one of the most jaded, ugly (inside), and one sided closed persons who write on this blog.

  170. Heidi
    November 3, 2010 at 10:14 pm

    Get on with it folks, if you are concerned, show up prepared, do your home work, present your case, if the citizens continue to engage in the public process and are disregarded that will prove what you suspect; otherwise we may find an opportunity to reach common ground. These are public servants I implore the public to engage, take responsibility for your community, present solutions, expect transparency and do your best to hold your elected officials responsible to the task at hand.

  171. Heidi
    November 3, 2010 at 10:15 pm

    I said do your best!

  172. mresquan
    November 3, 2010 at 10:18 pm

    In regards to the new claim that Arkley now has his candidates to push his agenda forward,I’d like to remind all that that has always been the case,and the city council has always had enough votes to push that agenda forward.So I wouldn’t expect all that much to change other than his agenda’s supporters to find some new ways to blame everyone else for the failure to develop such things as the Marina Center.Look at what happened yesterday with the glass half full,as the new council will have to deliver on promises,many of which were false and unintended,whereas the 3 agenda reliant members now sitting have been given a free pass at their failure to step up and deliver the Marina Center to Eureka residents.A lot of Eurekan’s are going to be pissed off if the project doesn’t move forward by the next time Eureka voters will be electing council members,and I predict that will happen.

  173. Eric Kirk
    November 3, 2010 at 10:31 pm

    The jobs that government provides comes at a net loss of jobs in the private sector. The pay for those government jobs comes from monies seized from the private sector who then cannot hire employees.

    High Finance, where do you get this from? With all due respect, I would have assumed that with your given handle you had at least taken a survey macroeconomics class in college.

  174. Eric Kirk
    November 3, 2010 at 10:33 pm

    Mark, that’s a really good point. Although, now an important voice is off the Coastal Commission.

  175. tra
    November 3, 2010 at 10:33 pm


    There are certain businesses that I already avoid doing business with, due to the fact that I don’t want to support their owners’ political activities, employment practices, etc. So I have no problem with consumers spending or withholding their money as they see fit, including choosing not to support businesses that support candidates or initiatives that the consumer doesn’t approve of.

    But I want to know who these “fascist” candidates are, and which local businesses I should avoid because they support these “fascists?”

    Or are perhaps you’re saying that weren’t referring to any of the local candidates, only national ones? If so, please name the national “fascist” candidates and the local businesses I should boycott due to their support of these “fascists.” (I don’t do any business with Arkley, just to get that one out of the way right off the bat).

    And yes, I keep putting the word “fascists” in quotes, on purpose. I think you’re using an overly broad interpretation of the word, as stated above.

    Yes, I know about Mussolini’s definition of the term, having to do with the combination of corporate and state power, but that’s not the meaning that most people have in mind when they hear (or read) the word “fascist,” and that’s why just tossing the label “fascist” into your argument — as a substitute for the words Republican, conservative, corporatist, or whatever — is probably going to weaken your argument in the eyes of your reader, unless you are actually referring to individuals who advocate the establishment of a right-wing totalitarian dictatorship.

  176. mresquan
    November 3, 2010 at 10:44 pm

    The Coastal Commission will reject the zoning change regardless.Even if Bonnie is replaced,don’t expect Sundberg or Bass to be appointed in her place.

  177. Plain Jane
    November 3, 2010 at 10:45 pm

    I am referring to the people who advocate a corporate controlled government and fund the politicians working toward that end. That is the vast majority of Republican and far too many Democratic politicians. I understand that fascism has very negative connotations. It should.

  178. Ne'er-do-well
    November 3, 2010 at 10:46 pm

    I’m just a little bit mystified by the position taken by the US Chamber of Commerce and the local version headed here by Chris Crawford. As an organization advocating for the merchant / business community I’m wondering how smart it is for them to get involved in partisan politics. Mr Crawford has espoused his right wing views often on this blog, and championed his pal Mr. Arkley’s struggle with all the “nay sayers” trying to get a thorough evaluation done of the toxic waste dump that will become a Home Depot parking lot if Arkley gets his way. I appreciate it when businesses are up front with me and put up the political adds of candidates or ballot measures they support or don’t. It helps me to make my buying decisions and with the holiday season soon approaching I would like to suggest that all the proud members of the chamber display some kind of emblem on their doors or windows identifying themselves as such. It will make my shopping go a lot quicker and will reassure me that my money is being spent with people that will not use it to further a political agenda I don’t agree with. It would be kind of a local merchant “full disclosure” thing, if you want to put it that way. Doesn’t have to be gaudy or anything, just a little decal that says “I’m a proud member of the Chamber of Commerce and support it’s views and goals”. What do you think Mr. Crawford?

  179. tra
    November 3, 2010 at 11:10 pm


    Well if “most Republicans and far too many Democrats” are “fascists” (and/or they are supported by “fascists”) and since many business owners and other individuals give to some of those “most” Republicans and “far too many” Democrats, now we’re talking about a whole LOT of “fascists” to boycott. Maybe even the majority of businesses? Practically a whole nation of “fascists,” it would seem. Wow.

    Let’s stop dancing around this, P.J. I’m asking you to go ahead and name names: which are the local “fascist” businesses that I should boycott, and which “fascist” candidates did they support, demonstrating their “fascism.”

    It’s easy to talk in generalities, but maybe not quite so easy to apply your generalities to the real world we live in. “Fascist” is, as you noted, quite a loaded term, and while you may feel comfortable throwing it around in the abstract, are you really prepared to apply it directly to any of our local candidates, or to any of our local business owners?

    I suspect you are not comfortable doing that, due to the fact that you actually do realize that despite your chosen definition of “fascist,” which is apparently broad enough to encompass “most Republicans and far too many Democrats,” in fact the meaning that most people will ascribe to your accusation will be that you are accusing the business owner or candidate of actually being an advocate for the establishment of a right-wing totalitarian dictatorship, along the lines of Mussolini’s Italy or Hitler’s Germany.

  180. mresquan
    November 3, 2010 at 11:14 pm

    “The jobs that government provides comes at a net loss of jobs in the private sector. The pay for those government jobs comes from monies seized from the private sector who then cannot hire employees.”

    Has Jager ever had a job in the private sector?And when was the last time Madsen did?If you don’t think conservatives love government jobs,think again.Given a choice between the two a good majority opts to suck money out of taxpayers for their income.Dave Tyson is also likely about to rescind on his promise to leave a taxpayer funded post,when not long ago,he was considerning working in the private sector.You want to see local chamber folks whine and rant,tell them the city is about to cut their taxpayer supported funding.

  181. tra
    November 3, 2010 at 11:16 pm

    Basically, what you’re engaging in is some rather silly rhetorical inflation, the same way the Tea Party kooks reacted to Obama’s 2008 win by going straight to “he’s a Communist” and then pointing to the health care bill as evidence of our supposed drift toward Marxism. My reaction to that nonsense was similar — I thought, “Gee I never would have guessed we had so many “Communists” in this country…even a majority of them…who knew!?”

  182. Plain Jane
    November 3, 2010 at 11:37 pm

    But that isn’t what I said at ALL, TRA. You are engaging in strawman fallacy. I SAID the business owners are funding the fascists for their own benefit without looking at the long term consequences of the fascist agenda of concentrating wealth and power at the top with the most powerful corporations in control. Locally there is the right wing business cabal determined to destroy Pierson’s because they don’t like his politics, not just Arkley, lying to the voters about the effects of another big box and without regard to its negative impacts on Humboldt County. I don’t know who they all are or what individual members of the COC stand for, but I would like to know.

  183. Zumbo
    November 3, 2010 at 11:38 pm

    PJ…..you’re just as bad as the Tea Baggers, only supposedly on the Progressive side.

    Talk about dictatorial, you’re text book.

    I’ll continue to shop at stores owned by conservatives and hope that they shop at mine. And I will continue to be friends be with people I don’t agree with.

    But I just know I’m going to hell for it. Oh wait…that’s the other guys, right? You’re Progressive.

  184. tra
    November 3, 2010 at 11:46 pm

    Again, P.J., please name the specific “fascist” candidate that you are referring to, and the specific businesses that I should boycott because of their support for these “fascists.” That is, if you are actually willing to stand by your labeling of these individuals as “fascists” and supporters of “fascists.” I guess at this point I won’t hold my breath.

  185. tra
    November 3, 2010 at 11:48 pm

    Should read “…specific “fascist” candidateS…”

  186. Plain Jane
    November 3, 2010 at 11:49 pm

    Laurence Britt, a political scientist, wrote an article about fascism which appeared in Free Inquiry magazine — a journal of humanist thought. Mr. Britt studied the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia), and Pinochet (Chile). He found the regimes all had 14 things in common, and he calls these the identifying characteristics of fascism. The article is titled ‘Fascism Anyone?’, by Laurence Britt, and appears in Free
    Inquiry’s Spring 2003 issue on page 20.

    The 14 characteristics are:


    Zumbo, saying someone voicing their opinion that we should spend our money at progressive businesses is somehow dictatorial is ridiculous. You don’t like my opinion so you insult. I get it.

  187. Plain Jane
    November 3, 2010 at 11:55 pm

    Meg Whitman and Carly Fiorini are both fascists. As to local businesses, I won’t shop at any business associated with Arkley and, as I have said repeatedly now, I want to know who they are and what they believe. Do they support the COC, local and national? Undoubtedly many members belong for the business support, but for some it is much more than that and their impact locally and nationally is huge as we have just seen, locally and nationally.

  188. Zumbo
    November 4, 2010 at 1:05 am

    I’ll stand by my observations.

    So before you shop, are you gonna make the owner fill out a form?

    What about those “secret” Arkley admirers. You just can’t be too careful these days.

    Let me know how it works out.

  189. vietnam vet
    November 4, 2010 at 5:53 am

    Pj is right…you think if you suck hard enough robbie will give em some money because hes good..Wrong!! why aren’t Kurt Kramer and robbie friends anymore because robbie is more concerned with screwing people not helping people..Its not money its the presumed power by getting his way..I guess we all need to remember we all bleed red..

  190. Joel Mielke
    November 4, 2010 at 6:56 am

    Thanks for the lesson on fascism, Plain Jane. Perhaps you could now tell us about the persuasive power of hyperbole.

  191. Anonymous
    November 4, 2010 at 7:04 am

    I want to know who they are and what they believe.

    this is the stuff that scares moderates to the right.

  192. Plain Jane
    November 4, 2010 at 7:21 am

    The lesson on the persuasive power of hyperbole concluded on 11/2/2010, Joel. The fascists funding the tea party “grass roots” movement used it and another tactic they favor, “the big lie,” quite successfully. Didn’t you notice?

  193. Plain Jane
    November 4, 2010 at 7:25 am

    BTW, stating the fact that these corporatists are fascist isn’t hyperbole just because you can’t connect the huge dots.

  194. Big Al
    November 4, 2010 at 7:43 am

    I see the dots too

  195. Anonymous
    November 4, 2010 at 8:12 am

    Wir müssen eine Liste. Wer sind sie? Was glauben sie?

  196. Plain Jane
    November 4, 2010 at 8:16 am

    Perlen vor die Säue

  197. Big Al
    November 4, 2010 at 8:30 am

    Ok PJ,
    Boycotts are an ugly thing, divide the community and we have seen that all before…
    how about starting from the other end?
    make a list of progressive business,
    go positive rather than negative.
    just a thought

  198. Rumbustious
    November 4, 2010 at 8:45 am

    I don’t see what the big hoo-hah here is about. We ALL have the right to shop wherever we choose. If I choose to shop at stores owned by folks who have political beliefs I like, and to avoid stores owned by those who have political beliefs I dislike, that’s MY prerogative. If I want to give my business to folks politically like me, what’s the big deal? We have free choice.

    Going farther, when I know an employer treats their employees badly, I make a point not to shop at or utilize that business. I want to support folks who do right by their workers; I don’t want to give my money to shits.

  199. Ne'er-do-well
    November 4, 2010 at 8:54 am

    What you all are forgetting is that the national chamber of commerce started this idiotic backing of the right and funneling money to their campaigns. On the local level we have Crawford running the chamber and continuously espousing his right wing rhetoric on this blog. Stay the fuck neutral if you want to sell me something or suffer the consequences. I’m not going to buy shit from people that will use the profits to support agendas I don’t support.

  200. Plain Jane
    November 4, 2010 at 8:54 am

    That’s one way to do it, Big Al, but what about the division that already exists created by the right wing business interests?

  201. Anonymous
    November 4, 2010 at 8:58 am

    There are so many shades a gray in most people’s repertoire of political opinions. I hate to see PJ paint them all black and white. She is the epitome of one who makes instant judgments and her type scares me. She looks too deep (“fascist”-oh please!!!) and she looks too shallow. She needs to see the middle ground.

  202. November 4, 2010 at 9:06 am

    It’s probably best to stay on speaking terms with people. I shop at Pierson’s a lot, but Nilsen’s and Ace Hardware are great stores, too. When a Nilsen’s employee put out some Re-call Paul stuff, I called his boss and complained about politics at work. The stuff disappeared. I still shop there. Let’s all keep breathing.

  203. Plain Jane
    November 4, 2010 at 9:19 am

    It takes an instant to post an opinion but years of reading history, news and observation to form, 8:58. The right wing corporate party (which includes some Democrats) has been successful in their agenda of consolidating wealth and political power in the hands of the super rich and they still aren’t satisfied with the lowest tax rates in modern history, deregulation which allowed them to crash the economy, reap huge rewards from bailouts and then the political benefits from their faux news echo chamber blaming it all on Obama and the Democrats. It takes an educated and informed populace to maintain a democracy which is why ours is collapsing.

  204. High Finance
    November 4, 2010 at 9:22 am

    So PJ, why don’t you name your business so we can start the boycott right now?

    And if Zumbo continues to go to my business will you send your brown shirts to visit him in the middle of the night? If one of my employees visit your business will your refuse to serve them?

    PJ, you really need to seek some help & take a vacation.

  205. Big Al
    November 4, 2010 at 9:24 am

    “It takes an educated and informed populace to maintain a democracy which is why ours is collapsing.”
    you nailed it there PJ…..

  206. Un-Named
    November 4, 2010 at 9:47 am

    I’ll third what big al seconded. Listen to the principal (principle?) of what this guy’s saying…ignore the bells and whistles and exploding logos and spy stuff. What he says about public manipulation is exactly where the world has been intentionally and successfuly directed, it’s no less a conspiracy than a common corporate long term business plan:

  207. Un-Named
    November 4, 2010 at 9:49 am

    ah, shoot…SORRY! I thought it would only post the link, not a big ol’ vid box for lazy bloggers to grumble about.

  208. Dancing
    November 4, 2010 at 9:55 am

    So…if we don’t agree with your point of view we are uneducated and uninformed? The sanctimonious blanket that you cloak yourself in PJ perpetuates your ignorance. You surround yourself with only those who are looking to be indoctrinated by you or those who wear the same blanket and bang the same drum.

    Most of us who have seen 50 years on the planet recognize the methodology: brow beat those around you to convince them yours is the only righteous opinion. It may have you feeling very confident in your superiority, it will also likely grow very lonely. The more you circulate among those with varying points of view the less sanctimonious you will become. Your views on issues, politics, general philosophies may remain largely unchanged but wow, how your sphere expands.

    Vitriol burns everyone around you, eventually even those who do share your views.

  209. Plain Jane
    November 4, 2010 at 10:17 am

    Keep funding the political agenda that is destroying the middle class, public education and infrastructure, and social programs which cushion the impact from the financial impact of their agenda then and see how that works out for you. Play nice with the monsters and they might not eat you.

  210. Big Al
    November 4, 2010 at 10:23 am

    it means we need to package our message so it can be absorbed, (by the masses like they have become trained) sound bites and short videos on youtube, like Saturday morning cartoons…

  211. Mitch
    November 4, 2010 at 10:26 am

    Except, Big Al, for two problems. First, you end up like the thugs. Second, the people you think support you only support you until somebody comes up with a better sound bite or a sexier (ugh) Palin.

  212. Big Al
    November 4, 2010 at 10:38 am

    sexy factor and bedroom eyes are a winner… (sad to say)

  213. tra
    November 4, 2010 at 10:49 am

    Well I think that messaging from progressive candidates could be clearer, more concise, and more pithy, without becoming “like the thugs.”

  214. Vietnam vet
    November 4, 2010 at 10:52 am

    Dancer that exactly whats happening to all of us right now..Why would normal working class Americans give all the wealth to a few people who misuse public sector because they can BUY themselves out of any problem..If and when we take back our democracy I feel sorry for the people on the list who have systematically torn down our government the way it was supposed to be..How could any body think we don’t have enough money for education? and why would us as citizens of the united states not stand up for medicine and education..Does that make sense to any one?Shouldnt we as people stand up and say NO!!-What would be the reason someone wouldn’t believe in education and medicine?and doing the right thing for all of us?

  215. Anonymous
    November 4, 2010 at 11:03 am

    Yes, but PJ doesn’t just hate the super wealthy. She hates the locals who have a little money too. They are the money churners, who make some and spend some, and stick their neck out to support people they think believe the way they do and share the same ideals. Those are the ones who give back to their communities in time and money and if they happen to seem conservative they are looked at by PJ types to be good old boys and up to no good.

  216. Mitch
    November 4, 2010 at 11:13 am


    I’m sad to say it, but I disagree. I don’t think the problem is the “messaging,” I think the problem is the electorate. When people are scared, they don’t want democracy, they want scapegoats (the poor, the atheists, the gays, the Muslims, the Jews, the enviros, the “hippies” — [Hi Hank] the immigrants, Irish and Italian 100 years ago, Hispanic today).

    Tell somebody you’ll punish the bastards who are “destroying the country” or “destroying the county” and, if you keep the voters scared enough, they’ll vote for you against their own interests every time.

    It’s always been that way. No reason to think that this young country is any different. The post-world-war-2 prosperity caused a historical anomaly. Now things are back on track. You can thank bin Laden and Goldman Sachs.

    Adlai Stevenson, a disaster of a Presidential candidate if ever there was one, once responded to someone who told him “every thinking American is for you” by saying “that’s not enough — I need a majority.”

  217. Mitch
    November 4, 2010 at 11:17 am


    Here’s the message people need to vote for. I welcome hearing how you’d make it palatable.

    “For the last hundred years, global capitalism has been destroying our home. We need to change radically if we want our children to have decent lives. It will be very difficult, and we will all need to give up a lot of stuff that we think makes us happy. But don’t worry, that stuff doesn’t really make us happy at all.”

    It worked really badly for Jimmy Carter. Maybe he didn’t word it correctly.

  218. Anonymous
    November 4, 2010 at 11:23 am

    Are you really talking about “facism” here? My reading of the word implies a nationalist ideology – promoting a single party. It is typically authoritarian and advocates for government control. However, much of the “conservatives”, especially those in our community seem more libertarian, free-market types. One could argue that many conservatives believe so much in free markets that they are advocates of corporate control, but that is not fascism.

    Unfortunately, the word is so loaded with images of Mussolini and Hitler that it paints an almost cartoon image that doesn’t fit our neighbors who may unwittingly support corporate control, but who are not advocates of an authoritarian state.

    The blanket label of “socialist” (or communist) by conservatives is simplistic, although we benefit from any socialist elements of our society. Likewise we should be careful about the blanket name calling of “fascist” when we are really criticizing corporate domination in the guise of a free-market ideology.
    Like socialism, there are some benefits of a free-market ideology, but in its extreme it ultimately restricts freedom through the dominating effect of large corporations.

  219. Humboldt Politico
    November 4, 2010 at 11:26 am

    First, Re: The Marina Center – It doesn’t matter who sits on the Eureka City Council or what voters approved, the Coastal Commission has the final say, period. If they say no, there is not a damn thing the City Council or Arkley can do about it. Case law, look it up.

    Second, Re: Coastal Commission – With Jerry Brown now making the selection of who will replace Bonnie, how much you want to bet he chooses Mark Lovelace or someone of that nature?

  220. me
    November 4, 2010 at 11:55 am

    Jerry brown could put both Lovelace and Bonnie on if he wants to. He gets four picks.

  221. olmanriver
  222. olmanriver
    November 4, 2010 at 12:12 pm
  223. Reinventing The Wheel
    November 4, 2010 at 1:10 pm

    My favorite definition of fascism: “To destroy a perceived opponent”.

    Pretty endemic to our culture and its blogs.

  224. Bolithio
    November 4, 2010 at 2:34 pm

    Shopping though is only one part of it. What about the resources? Did your paper come from people with like minded views? Better trace out the product. Office Supply Store, truck driver, paper company, truck driver, pulp mill, truck driver, logger, timber company. Think there are any people you should boycot? Better stop using paper!!

    Do this with your favorite “progressive” business. Think about every resource required to create their products. Wood fiber, glass, metals, plastic. Fuck, might as well boycot everything!!

  225. Anonymous
    November 4, 2010 at 2:40 pm

    Good point Bolithio.
    And then there is the anonymous factor – Plain Jane could be shopping at HiFi’s store everyday and not be the wiser. Or maybe HiFi rents from Plain Jane and she uses his tainted rent money to buy an iPod with metals from the Congo that were secured by murder and torture.

  226. Plain Jane
    November 4, 2010 at 2:48 pm

    Yeah, because if you can’t achieve perfection why bother.

  227. Un-Named
    November 4, 2010 at 3:19 pm

    It’s great to know that when the choice exists, some of you intentionally choose non-local. You even advocate non-local businesses. That’s a conscious decision on your parts, often by your own wishy washy words meaningless…or something…yet you still consciously choose to endorse the greater of two evils…”slightly” greater, however you repeatedly choose to put it…

    …and then…here’s the great part…continue to say people who would advocate a stronger local core are idiots, playing some kind of soap opera game of spite with specific developers. It’s as ass-backwards as it gets.

  228. Peter
    November 4, 2010 at 5:56 pm

    Begin forwarded message:

    Subject: FW: The power of propaganda.

    From: khbwriter@hotmail.com

    Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 15:46:34 -0400

    After 8 Years Of The Bush/Cheney Disaster, Now You Get Mad?
    You didn’t get mad when the Supreme Court stopped a legal recount and appointed a President.
    You didn’t get mad when Cheney allowed energy company officials to dictate energy policy and push us to invade Iraq .
    You didn’t get mad when a covert CIA operative got outed.
    You didn’t get mad when the Patriot Act got passed.
    You didn’t get mad when we illegally invaded a country that posed no threat to us.
    You didn’t get mad when we spent over $800 billion (and counting) on said illegal war.
    You didn’t get mad when Bush borrowed more money from foreign sources than the previous 42 Presidents combined.
    You didn’t get mad when over $10 billion in cash just disappeared in Iraq .
    You didn’t get mad when you found out we were torturing people.
    You didn’t get mad when Bush embraced trade and outsourcing policies that shipped 6 million American jobs out of the country.
    You didn’t get mad when the government was illegally wiretapping Americans.
    You didn’t get mad when we didn’t catch Bin Laden.
    You didn’t get mad when Bush rang up $10 trillion in combined budget and current account deficits.
    You didn’t get mad when you saw the horrible conditions at Walter Reed.
    You didn’t get mad when we let a major U.S. city, New Orleans , drown.
    You didn’t get mad when we gave people who had more money than they could spend, the filthy rich, over a trillion dollars in tax breaks.
    You didn’t get mad with the worst 8 years of job creations in several decades.
    You didn’t get mad when over 200,000 US Citizens lost their lives because they had no health insurance.
    You didn’t get mad when lack of oversight and regulations from the Bush Administration caused US Citizens to lose 12 trillion dollars in investments, retirement, and home values.

    You finally got mad when a black man was elected President and decided that people in America deserved the right to see a doctor if they are sick. Yes, illegal wars, lies, corruption, torture, job losses by the millions, stealing your tax dollars to make the rich richer, and the worst economic disaster since 1929 are all okay with you, but helping fellow Americans who are sick…Oh, Hell No!!

  229. Anonymous
    November 4, 2010 at 6:01 pm

    Good post, Peter. I’m not sure it’s a race issue (maybe don’t want to believe our country as whole is “that way”) but it is certainly a political issue and the hypocrisy is so frustrating. Hard to believe people have such tunnel vision.

  230. Totem Pole
    November 4, 2010 at 6:15 pm

    PJ Said: “Locally there is the right wing business cabal determined to destroy Pierson’s because they don’t like his politics…”

    Um, Plain Jane….Bill Pierson’s older brother is part owner of Pierson Building Center and he is VERY right wing conservative. That statement is pure Horse Crap.

  231. Mitch
    November 4, 2010 at 6:42 pm


    Thanks. I agree it’s excellent. The earliest internet reference I can find to it is August 2009, someone called walldude at DemocraticUnderground.com .

    His ending was a bit different. For the record, I don’t believe your mother dresses you funny at all:

    “You finally got mad when.. when… wait for it… when the government decided that people in America deserved the right to see a doctor if they are sick. Yes, illegal wars, lies, corruption, torture, stealing your tax dollars to make the rich richer, are all ok with you but helping other Americans… well fuck that. That about right? You know it is.

    “You people have all lost your fucking minds. You are selfish, greedy, obnoxious, narcissistic, and frankly… stupid. Your pathetic little misspelled protest signs are embarrassing. Maybe you ought to find the smart person in your midst and let them make up all the signs, cause man, you look like a bunch of idiots. Also you’re ugly and your mother dresses you funny.”

  232. Un-Named
    November 4, 2010 at 7:00 pm

    When the patriot act was forced on us is when I first engaged in political blogs. Straight to the republican conservative etc. blogs. They were all for it. No two ways about it. No talking any sense into them whatsoever, they were salutin’ the flag and talkin’ like gung-ho power rangers about stomping terrorists. Our government was an unquestionable good guy to them. Unless you have something to hide, you’d better roll out a welcome mat and set a new place at the dinner table when teh government comes a knockin. Boggled my mind then, boggles my mind now.

  233. Ne'er-do-well
    November 4, 2010 at 7:29 pm

    So PJ, tell us how lonely you are in your black & white world. Love seeing the fucktards (you know who you are) having to deal with clear thinking supported by sources other than Roger Ailes’ wild bunch.

  234. Not A Native
    November 4, 2010 at 7:42 pm

    Its a well documented fact that wealth in America is becoming more unequally distributed than at any time since slavery was abolished.

    Now HiFi and cohorts may say its all good because “them thats smarter and does more, gets more”. Well, theres no evidence that smarts or initiative are more unequally distributed than in the past.

    So the most reasonable conclusion is there’s more unfairness now. I believe the unfairness continues due to wealthier people who instead of putting their money into projects that help others use their wealth to obtain political power with the sole goal of further increasing their share of the country’s wealth.

  235. Funnygirl
    November 4, 2010 at 8:21 pm

    Get even. Buy some lottery tickets.

  236. Ne'er-do-well
    November 4, 2010 at 9:27 pm

    Zingo funnygurl!

  237. Ne'er-do-well
    November 4, 2010 at 9:29 pm

    Don’t forget the pack of Camels.

  238. Mr. Nice
    November 4, 2010 at 9:37 pm

    Lottery tickets apparently go well with those little air freshener bottles, them paper rose in a test tube things, and ginseng extract in a glass tube.

  239. Cathy Ray Pierson
    November 4, 2010 at 9:51 pm

    Sorry TOTEM POLE. There seems to be some confusion as to who owns Pierson Building Center. My brother-in-law Bill is the sole owner.
    And my late father-in-law Ernie did have a penchant for totem poles since he carved the one in McKinleyville, so, I mean no disrespect.

  240. Decline to State
    November 4, 2010 at 10:03 pm

    Seriously, 240 posts! Time to move on folks. If we survived the Bush era we can certainly muddle through this mess. In the end we’ll be fine and remember, the “party-in-power” always fails.

  241. Ne'er-do-well
    November 4, 2010 at 10:24 pm

    Cathy Ray, what a cool name. I think I’m gonna name my boat after you. I have always been intrigued by that totem pole. Could you give us some of the story behind it and the man that commissioned it, or carved it if that’s the case?

  242. Eurekan
    November 4, 2010 at 11:04 pm

    God, it would be beautiful, sweet justice if Jerry Brown allowed Bonnie to stay on the Coastal Commmission, or even better, tapped Mark Lovelace to step up and come aboard as the new “young blood” to replace her.

    As Humboldt Politico said above, they have the final say on Marina Center, and there’s not a damn thing Arkley can do or say about it. You can be sure, though, that he will stamp his little feet and scream, No! No! No! – but it won’t accomplish anything.

    He may have won last night’s battle, but he will lose the Marina Center war, that is a given. Did you see his face in the aftermath of the Baykeeper-SN cleanup settlement? Baykeeper got virtually everything they asked for, and SN couldn’t do dick about it. He was PISSED!

  243. Anonymous
    November 5, 2010 at 7:03 am

    With Jerry Brown now making the selection of who will replace Bonnie, how much you want to bet he chooses Mark Lovelace or someone of that nature?

    who was Brown’s campaign manager?

  244. Dancing
    November 5, 2010 at 7:15 am

    Herald, please, in honor of Larry, post the poll results where Larry was declared Eureka’s most popular public official.

    It seems like a nice thing to do to remind him of his 2.5 seconds of glory.

    Larry? Larry? Nothing to say Larry?

  245. November 5, 2010 at 7:59 am

    Allow me to speak for Larry. Pffffft.

  246. Big Al
    November 5, 2010 at 8:00 am

    My social networking site wouldn’t let me list Arkleyville as my home town…

  247. Heidi
    November 5, 2010 at 8:05 am

    Dancing, over 40% of the people who came out to vote supported Larry, granted not enough to win the election, but having a public official empower citizens to take responsibility for their neighborhoods and communities is admirable.

    This election was not really about substance or value it was about glitz, advertising, and probably revenge (or vindication depending on what side you are looking from). It was a calculated effort and I got to give you credit, it worked.

    The problem is we really all need to be fighting on the same side here, fighting for the people of this community (all of them), for our future, for the health of our fragile bay with the big big picture, “what do we want to leave as a legacy for future generations of Eurekans (and beyond)”

    That is the common ground we need to find , and honestly on the 4 years he spent on council I felt like that was what Larry tried to do. I met him when he came to a committee meeting and spoke up for his constituents, what a pain in the ass, we had reformulate our efforts because he was right.

    I think that his efforts are commendable, he was and still is approachable and available and he listens. I sincerely hope those qualities are adopted by our new council people, They are elected to represent us, the citizens of Eureka.

  248. Pitchfork
    November 5, 2010 at 9:00 am

    A meaner nastier Arkleyville! I hope Larry sticks around for the fight it going to get uglier.

  249. Plain Jane
    November 5, 2010 at 9:04 am

    Does anyone know how many votes Larry got in his district?

  250. Anonymous
    November 5, 2010 at 9:08 am

    “Did you see his face in the aftermath of the Baykeeper-SN cleanup settlement? Baykeeper got virtually everything they asked for, and SN couldn’t do dick about it. He was PISSED!”

    Hi Eurekan,

    This statement is simply not true. Major parts of the suit were tossed earlier in the summer, and I believe the monetary settlement was far less than they asked for, to the point that Baykeeper barely (if that) covered the costs of their suit (consultants and other experts).

    Someone I work with (and it very right wing here) knows Randy Gans, and told me that SN viewed this as a win, that they had been told by the judge that their case was strong, and that they had prevailed on multiple points of contention.

    Anyway, its been a tough week (for me) around here with all the gloating. Personally, I am thankful for Baykeeper, but I don’t think they in any way “won”.

  251. High Finance
    November 5, 2010 at 9:08 am

    Marian Brady 5,757 57.57%
    Larry Glass 4,219 42.19

  252. Dancing
    November 5, 2010 at 9:12 am

    In a city council race…in recent years anyway…15% margin is a spanking.

  253. Dancing
    November 5, 2010 at 9:12 am

    Or a beating. Black and blue.

  254. Plain Jane
    November 5, 2010 at 9:16 am

    I meant in the first ward, HiFi. Are there figures available that break the votes down by ward?

  255. Plain Jane
    November 5, 2010 at 9:19 am

    I can understand the large number of undervotes in the Madsen race since he was running unopposed, but the undervotes in the Kuhnel / Newman race are double that for the Glass / Brady race. Is that odd?

  256. Plain Jane
    November 5, 2010 at 12:27 pm

    No separate ward counts available?

  257. High Finance
    November 5, 2010 at 1:17 pm

    I believe the totals by precinct aren’t available until the final count, meaning after all the absentees are counted & recorded.

    Carol Crnich said it would be about two weeks.

  258. A-Nony-Mouse
    November 6, 2010 at 5:10 pm

    9:08 I’m sure some of the legaleze was tossed but the net effect, in the end, wsa that Security National must do a real and thorough cleanup (not the phony SIRAP they tried to sell) and that their efforts will be closely monitored by BayKeeper’s experts. Now if that sets real well with Mr. Arkley, then we must ask why he didn’t just do the real cleanup in the first place? I’m guessing he’s strutting around thinking he got real revenge on Larry for demanding that real cleanup. If that’s what he’s doing (and it looks like it when he hangs around Larry’s store smiling and saying nyah nyah nyah like a little kid), he’s in for a few more shocks and surprises. You see, there are still people who don’t take kindly to those that think they own our community. The last inning hasn’t been played yet. Watch this space for future developments.

  259. Not A Native
    November 6, 2010 at 5:38 pm

    FWIW the Redheaded Blackbelt posted references to many calls for boycotting HumCo pot because growers up here broke ranks and voted against prop 19. One blogger called to ‘let them(HumCo) choke on their own smoke’.

    Maybe its lucky that nowsmokers can’t tell where their pot comes from. The HumCo label would now carry the stigma of the pot-traitor. Thats not an effective marketing strategy.

    But if the ‘wholesaler’ connections that buy here to distribute elsewhere decide to close ranks, growers here will have to develop new trafficking contacts. Thats usually accompanied by violence.

  260. mayfly
    November 7, 2010 at 8:21 am

    The real losers in the recent election are the working poor of Eureka. Why would anyone chose to live there? Even the Brady woman would leave her crime infested neighborhood if she could afford to. Is she really from Orange County?

  261. Anonymous
    November 7, 2010 at 8:31 am

    She doesn’t live there she lives with her squeeze, Stormy Winter on Harris the westsiders know eachother, and she aint one of us. She even told me personally I USED to live in an are of Eureka called Bosnia pppppfffft. You better sleep there every night and get back down to what’s really going on on the Westside honey your in for a ruuuuuuudddddddeeeee awakening. This aint Kansas anymore!

  262. Auntie Arkley
    November 7, 2010 at 12:07 pm

    Rumbustious says:
    November 3, 2010 at 2:00 pm

    Two important reasons Bonnie Neely lost:
    1) …Competence/skill not relevant.
    2) Virginia Bass seemed nicer, more likable, more appealing to look at. And was somebody new, so more difficult to attack for what she’d done.

    Now we know why right-wingers are such bad voters. Competence and skill don’t matter, but if the candidate is attractive, they’ll vote for him/her. Obviously they are only interested in masturbation, mostly mental.

    Look, if you want to live in a developed asphalt jungle, then find a city that matches your criteria and go there, just don’t fuck up Humboldt County. Obviously, the right-wing developers and their supporters don’t like Humboldt or they wouldn’t want to change it so badly. Leave it alone and get the fuck out if you don’t like it. There are plenty of places that worship money and development above all else, so go there and leave us and our wonderful local environment alone.

  263. Anonymous
    November 7, 2010 at 5:40 pm

    That’s disappointing to read about Brady – her attitude toward her “real” neighborhood of residence. I didn’t vote for her for other reasons but hearing that makes me even more skeptical about her being a council person. It speaks to her character and values.

  264. Anonymous
    November 7, 2010 at 5:44 pm

    Regarding Arkley. Is there any way he can afford to clean up the Balloon Track properly? I don’t see it, which makes a lot of this moot unless he does sell or find someone willing and able to finance the whole development (Home Depot?).

  265. A-Nony-Mouse
    November 7, 2010 at 8:08 pm

    Now that he court has ordered a full cleanup (SecNat calls it a “compromise?) and the costs can be estimated, don’t be surprised to see behind the curtain sales activity. WalMart is only one of many undesireable possibilities.
    Even if Home Despot still wants in, the money for the cleanup could be an issue. We’ll see.
    First things first. Get the damn cleanup done. Then we can argue about what does or does not get built.

  266. Anonymous
    November 7, 2010 at 9:50 pm

    Can Security National realistically afford a clean-up, full or otherwise? Doubtful, based on what I’ve heard about their finances. Not current on their existing obligations and under control of their lenders. How can they take on anything more? Unlikely without significant involvement from a more solvent party.

  267. High Finance
    November 8, 2010 at 8:22 am

    You don’t know squat about their finances.

  268. Anonymous
    November 8, 2010 at 7:23 pm

    I hope I’m wrong, HiFi. Maybe you have some information that refutes mine. Again, I’d rather be wrong.

  269. A-Nony-Mouse
    November 8, 2010 at 8:01 pm

    Cheri so blatantly waved her check for $30,000 to buy a place for Measure N on the ballot. Unfortunately it ended up costing the city over $71,000 to get it there. I guess the city sold itself too cheap, eh? That’s our money the city used, dontcha know?

    HiFi certainly loves to strut around with dollar bills pinned to his shirt and his famous ‘bootstraps’ hooked to his big swinging ****. He may have worked hard but without the same good luck his much-villified lottery winner had, he wouldn’t be around to talk about it. We’re pretty tired of it,HiFi. You’re ‘Holier that Thou’ act is getting pretty sad. I’m glad you’ve been successful. But for a medical bill or a house fire or some other calamity that befalls many people, you’d be in the bushes with the best of ’em. A little humility and understanding would go a long way. But it wouldn’t be ‘mercan’, would it? Why not try to find real solutions instead of pushing the disproven old “retail is everything” position? There are better answers if you could open your mind. But I guess if you did that, all the bats would fly out.

  270. Anonymous
    November 8, 2010 at 8:11 pm

    HiFi, some of us actually do know.We know things are very rough for SN this past couple of years. The jet is grounded, people they owe money to are not being paid. I believe they will try to pay them when they can though. We know how to spell Cheri too. It is “Cherie”. I think her intention was to cover the cost of the election, not to buy the election.

  271. Tired of Nony Mouse Rants
    November 8, 2010 at 8:33 pm

    Yes, SN was told that $30,000 would be the cost to put N on the Ballot, and guess what. Just like the EIR estimate, it was blown out by double. What you failed to say above is that SN has paid this bill, even with it being twice over budget. Same as the EIR bill.

    Why do you post blatantly false information???

    Get a clue, and few more facts, then you might be taken seriously.

  272. High Finance
    November 8, 2010 at 9:24 pm

    Mouse, take a chill pill. Your side lost because the majority of Eurekans didn’t like your candidates. You are out of touch with Eureka. OK, now everybody knows that it sucks to be you these days. Stop whining like a little school girl.

    8.11pm, you’re lying through your teeth. All you have are rumors spread by your ilk & a lot of wishful thinking. The general overall economy is down so it is only natural to think that SN’s business is down also. They laid off a number of employees last year & then hired most of them back.

    If RA’s net worth is down by 60% it would mean he is down to his last $2-300 million. By nobody really knows except RA, Cherie & their accountants.

  273. High Finance
    November 8, 2010 at 9:27 pm

    As far as the cost of Measure N to be put on the ballot?

    Eureka was already having an election across the entire city with the city council & mayor’s races. All measure N cost the county to put on the ballot was to add a few lines. If the county charged the city $71,000 extra just for that one measure the city got robbed.

  274. Anonymous
    November 8, 2010 at 10:07 pm

    “the city got robbed” you aint seen nothin’ yet

  275. Anonymous
    November 8, 2010 at 11:20 pm

    And what about the SN jet being grounded, SN not paying the people they owe? Both true. If they have the money, this doesn’t add up. Then again, they did seem to have the money to fund a ballot measure and back their political interests. Therefore, not much makes sense. Priorities?

  276. sickened
    November 9, 2010 at 8:03 am

    “There is no such thing as Democrat or Republican. There is the Robber class and the Robbed class—that is the great divide in this country.”
    -Cindy Sheehan

  277. OffTheRez
    November 9, 2010 at 8:27 am

    In this new more sinister Arkleyville we find ourselves in, Rob believes he can avoid a real clean up of the balloon track with his minions in place. It will be our job to hold him to what he signed off on in Federal Court.

  278. Anonymous
    November 9, 2010 at 8:50 am

    HiFi, I usually side with you and now I see a taste of your ugliness. Lying through my teeth? The difference is, I KNOW and you don’t.

  279. High Finance
    November 9, 2010 at 9:04 am

    If you really do know, then it could only mean that you are in that inner circle & you are breaching highly confidential information. Do you know that RA reads here once in awhile ?

  280. A-Nony-Mouse
    November 9, 2010 at 9:23 am

    HiFi, before you get your knickers in a knot (again…still?), the venerable Times Standard reported (?) that the cost of including Measure N was $71,000. They said SecNat had paid the city $46,000. That leaves a balance of $25,000 that we get to pay. No word whatever that SN had any intention of paying the difference.
    Now, see how easy that was?

  281. Anonymous
    November 9, 2010 at 10:01 am

    Why would SN want to pay the balance when all they would get is blame for trying to “buy” the election.

    HiFi, I happen to know Rob reads this blog all the time or others watch it for him. It isn’t “inside information” that things are tough, that the creditors have taken control of where the money goes, and that the plane gets very limited use.

  282. High Finance
    November 9, 2010 at 3:43 pm

    Yes, SN is having cash flow problems. We have not a clue as to how serious or permanent it is.

    You all are just guessing & hoping. The MC is a long term investment.

    And yes Mouse, I read the paper also. Rather than just accept the $71,000 the county alledges it cost like a, well like a mouse, wouldn’t you like the specifics?

    It couldn’t possibly cost that much to add a few lines to a ballot already going out to the entire city. I’ll bet you your next pension check, that the county has miscalculated the bill. What they must have done is take the ENTIRE cost of the ballot & allocated the cost on a per line basis. That is not what Arkley meant or should have meant.

    What he meant to do was pay for only the ADDITIONAL

  283. High Finance
    November 9, 2010 at 3:45 pm

    … the ADDITIONAL cost of adding one more item to the ballot.

  284. Anonymous
    November 9, 2010 at 3:52 pm

    Whatever he meant to pay for, he spent the money and more supporting his various candidates -whether directly or indirectly. Why do his creditors allow that when he is not paying his existing debts.

  285. High Finance
    November 9, 2010 at 7:07 pm

    WHAT existing debts is he not paying 3.52am? How about a list instead of bull shit as usual?

  286. Anonymous
    November 9, 2010 at 7:34 pm

    Hi Fi you are showing your hand!

  287. Anonymous
    November 9, 2010 at 8:30 pm

    Yes, HiFi – you seem overly defensive for an impartial party. As someone said earlier, “Yes, SN is having cash flow problems.” Wait a minute…that was you! If you know that, seems like you would know they are struggling to meet financial obligations – which, btw, is no big secret. Hopefully, they will work their way out of this, but times are tough at the moment, for many.

  288. TIred of Noney Mouse Rants
    November 9, 2010 at 9:19 pm

    Mouse at 9:23 AM; GEEZ Mouse, you just keep doing it. What, because you dont see it in the Newspaper, then the bill has not been paid?

    BILL PAID; move on

  289. High Finance
    November 10, 2010 at 7:53 am

    The multiple Anonymouses (and others) are mistaking cash flow problems with solvency problems. One problem is temporary the other more long term. We have had no hints that SN or RA are backing out of the MC. Just rhetoric from the left.

    But facts or proof means nothing to some people. Aren’t you the same ones who declared matter-of-factly that it was a given that Mayor Jager was going to appoint Rex Bohn?

  290. Plain Jane
    November 10, 2010 at 8:06 am

    Who said that HiFi? What I read was people speculating that he might or rumors to that effect and Matt Owen was also mentioned as a possibility, if you will recall. I don’t recall anyone saying that it was a given.

  291. Harold h. Greene
    November 10, 2010 at 8:07 am

    well, we do know that RA now has some prime water front property in Eureka that can be leveraged, if needed.

  292. Anonymous
    November 10, 2010 at 8:18 am

    Explain difference, will you HiFi, between solvency and cash flow problems, and you might add which you think is true of SN.

  293. Anonymous
    November 10, 2010 at 8:25 am

    you’d think he was charlie manson by the attention you all pay him. he’s an overweight dweeb with a fat wad who stomps is feet and throws money at things until he gets his way how many times have you heard local storys of him saying “Im going to ruin you”, what a baby, poor cherie.

  294. Harold h. Greene
    November 10, 2010 at 8:27 am

    with a diaper and a thumb …

  295. Anonymous
    November 10, 2010 at 5:35 pm

    OK, who taped or DVR’d Mike Newman making a drunken spectacle of himself on Channel 3 on election night? That was incredibly funny! Mike Newman was so drunk he had to have his daughter hold him upright in front of the camera and Newman kept stammering & stopping & then starting again about the importance of “business”, but never actually said anything, being drunk as a skunk.

    Mike Newman is clearly a drunk, and everyone already knows about Ryan Sundberg’s alcoholic issues.

    In case you hadn’t heard, Republicans like to drink, and drink, and drink, and drink.

    Remember George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Tom DeLay, not to mention Rob Arkley’s many drunken outbursts & of course everyone’s favorite orangeman John Bohner!

  296. Anonymous
    November 10, 2010 at 5:48 pm

    Wow. That’s some desperate talk there. ’nuff said- you represented who? Not me, please.

  297. Anonymous
    November 10, 2010 at 6:46 pm

    Anonymous 8:18: I think HiFi is saying that SN is solvent – has assets in excess of debt, I assume – but is experiencing cash flow problems in the current economy, especially given the nature of their business. I can go along with that for the time being – and hope he’s right.

  298. Anonymous
    November 10, 2010 at 6:51 pm

    Who cares!

  299. Anonymous
    November 10, 2010 at 7:22 pm

    HIFI knows a lot of SN and RA to be just anybody.

  300. Anonymous
    November 10, 2010 at 10:07 pm

    7:22 – ?? – What are you trying to say?

    6:51 – A lot of people care – especially those working for SN

  301. Anonymous
    November 11, 2010 at 7:21 am

    I think he is RA or is an insider at SN.

  302. Mitch
    November 11, 2010 at 7:28 am

    If Rob Arkley spends his time reading The Humboldt Herald, let alone posting to it, the world is even stranger than I can imagine.

    If HiFi is a Security National insider, which I agree makes some sense, I hope s/he is well-paid for posting her/his stuff.

  303. Anonymous
    November 11, 2010 at 10:19 pm

    I do think RA might have someone on the payroll who is posting. That I could see – but (very) highly doubt he would spend a huge amount of time on here, himself.

  304. A-Nony-Mouse
    November 13, 2010 at 6:46 pm

    FYI the reason Measure N cost so much is because it is a zoning change and had to have an EIR ammendment and, I think, an ammendment to the Local Coastal Plan. They used much of the MC EIR but still had much work to add. That cost money. The tight time frame added to the cost. I don’t know if the ‘bill was paid’. The TS did not say that. It lead us to believe that it was not. If you have other credible info, HiFi, bring it on. I don’t mind. Unlike some unnamed posters, I like to learn new things.

  305. High Finance
    November 15, 2010 at 9:47 pm

    The cost of the EIR and any amendments to the Local Coastal Plan had nothing to do with the county ripping off the city to put Measure N on the ballot Mouse.

  306. MC Hammer
    November 16, 2010 at 6:58 am

    The price you pay for buying an election HiFi! Look what you got out of it: the same result as you would have achieved by having the City Council pass the zoning change AND you bought, yet another, lawsuit on the EIR, AND you still get to go in front of the Coastal Commission……good luck with that!

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