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Hansen lawsuit settles

A former Eureka Police dispatcher who sued the city last year for harassment deposited a $200,000 check at a local Wells Fargo bank last week, according to sources.

David Tyson.

The check was made out to Tawnie Hansen from Redwood Empire Municipal Insurance, otherwise known as REMIF, which is the city’s insurance provider.

The check was dated October 27, 2010, which just happens to be the same day the Eureka City Council held a special private session meeting shortly before Tuesday’s election.  However, no resolution to the lawsuit was announced after the meeting or anytime since.

Hansen’s lawsuit alleged the city and it’s manager, David Tyson, purposefully diluted an investigation into Hansen’s complaints that she was being harassed by co-workers who accused her of having an affair with Police Chief Garr Nielsen.  Both Hansen and Nielsen say it ain’t so.

Hansen settled an earlier suit against former co-worker Devora (Dee-Dee) Wilson who sent  harassing emails and “gifts” to Hansen.  Wilson is believed to have run the now defunct “Above the Law” blog where Eureka’s finest conducted themselves like petty schoolroom gossips.  Wilson paid Hansen $10,000 to settle the case.

The court released City Manager Tyson from personal liability in January, but his actions (and in-actions) remained at the heart of the lawsuit.

Tyson announced his retirement last spring, but rumors fly that Mr. Global Investigation wants to keep his post at the helm of the new Arkley-ecstatic city council.

And if Tyson’s antics cost the cash-strapped city unwinnable lawsuits — why the heck not?  Looks like insurance is covering it.

  1. November 7, 2010 at 6:29 am

    Eureka’s incoming city council is the Eureka Chamber of Commerce’s City Council. Notice that this city council is heavily comprised of catholics and evanglical christians, imo ‘tea party’ activists. They will probably keep Tyson on as city manager or he will go to work for Security National. All this for what? For putting a Walmart or a Home Depot on a polluted wetlands?

    Dog and Pony Show.

  2. Cookie
    November 7, 2010 at 6:34 am

    Meanwhile, there are residents in Eureka that have had their electricty and water shut-off, because they can not afford to pay for it. Many people even live without homes. There is deep poverty in our midst. Wake up!

  3. Polly
    November 7, 2010 at 7:06 am

    Mr Tyson has always call this case nuisance and frivolous, $200,000.00 looks like a big win for Ms. Hansen. Tyson apparently lied under oath. The city had no choice but to settle.
    The violation of the brown act is something all sides in this matter need to take seriously. Spending that much public money and not following the rules is over the top. Let’s call in the state AG’s office!

  4. Mitch
    November 7, 2010 at 7:08 am

    What’s $200,000? Just three cops for a year. And, as HiFi will explain (I’m sure) it was all paid for by insurance. I wonder how insurance rates get set.

    And don’t forget, $200,000 is what the city thought prudent to pay just to keep Hansen from getting in front of a jury box.

  5. Sheryl
    November 7, 2010 at 7:23 am

    Tawney never wanted it to come to this David, you forced her hand.

  6. Plain Jane
    November 7, 2010 at 7:31 am

    Is anyone taking bets on whether the new council will allow Tyson to take back his resignation? I can’t imagine being Nielsen and having to work with Tyson after all this. People forget that Nielsen was being harassed just as brutally as Hansen.

  7. insider
    November 7, 2010 at 7:34 am

    THe Police chief was the actual target! Merle, Suzie and Nova just went after her becuase she was helping Garr.

  8. Goldie
    November 7, 2010 at 7:44 am

    The total price of this mess has not been calculated. The Global Investigation cost somewhere in the neighborhood of $100,000, if I recall correctly. In the end nothing more was known. They had a great big pile of ‘he said she said’.
    Mr. Tyson’s tight style of management can be revisited at http://www.times-standard.com/ci_15959931?IADID=Search-www.times-standard.com-www.times-standard.com.

  9. Sheryl
    November 7, 2010 at 8:03 am

    The Global investigation cost almost $300,000 plus paying $35,000 for Devora Wilson’s perjured testimony. so the total costs are over one half million!

  10. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    November 7, 2010 at 8:05 am

    Still AMAZED about how voters can’t see the connectivities to government code sections that allow through prejudices the opportunities for public employees and elected officials to do almost whatever they want and claim a various number of verbal reasonings (excuses and deflections) to seek escape from punishment. The Judicial system unfortunately is MOSTLY a concocted set-up on behalf of government and corporate fascists and its associated financial and legal abuses.

    Sorry to be the bearer of evil on Sabbath Day for the faithers, but there exists plenty of LOCAL back-stabbers throughout all levels of LOCAL governance. The future is going to be fun, fun, fun in so far as avenge, avenge and more avenging. Justice is on its way toward government schemers and scammers – just takes time and social collapses, that’s all.

    America is in the midst of a social collapse which apopears to be irreversible, suffice to say.

    Jeffrey Lytle
    McKinleyville – 5th District

  11. Anonymous
    November 7, 2010 at 8:14 am

    You wear me out.

  12. Anonymous
    November 7, 2010 at 8:21 am

    Whoever the “source” is at the bank needs to be fired!!

    Whatever the circumstances, Hansen has a right to privacy and her bank violated it.

    You can bet Wells Fargo will be pissed.

  13. sickened
    November 7, 2010 at 8:24 am

    I am sick of the waste, corruption, process manipulation, foot dragging, stacking the deck, deceit and incompetence that runs rampant at city hall. Where does the $200,000 come from general fund? That is 40,000,000 dollars worth of sales in the fucking city of eureka from measure O passing do the fucking math X tmes .005=200,000 solve for X forty fucking million, do you dumbass teaparty tax and spend talking point fools realize that you tax and spend your self by continuing to elect and employ people who are TOOLS of corporations such as Security National.

    The election was bought and paid for!! hold on to you wallets you TV watching idiots you are now in for a ride you have no control over, shut the mother fucker off or turn on civic tv and WATCH the council and the supervisor meetings at least BEFORE you vote.

    Ive done the math And estimated what was spent on the campaign for the conservative slate. Postage paid business mailers to every house in eureka ($.71 + postage for every one returned, $245 to set up the account) EVERYONE WHO GOT ONE, MAIL THAT MOTHERFUCKER BACK!!!!! Teams of people paid by security national doorhangering, dancing on the street driving around town with rented construction signs in rented trucks, phone banking, on payroll folks, I asked them, they did not know shit nothing talking points on a 3X5, big expensive signs, the ads, the mailers .TV, Radio, front page color newspaper every day, the shit doesnt add up, they all did not report it all. And the other side doesn’t fucking have it the is no millionaire bankrolling the PEOPLE, THIS MOTHER FUCKER GOT BANKROLLED BECAUSE THERE IS HUGE PROFIT TO BE HAD all they needed was a couple of fall guys to blame it on, so lets blame Neely and Glass and the TV watching voters believed it.HOW IN THE FUCK COULD ANY IDIOT BELIEVE THAT LARRY GLASS A FUCKING ENVIRONMENTALIST BLOCKED CLEANUP OF THE BALLOON TRACK. RRRRRRRRR I’ve got a feeling I’m not the only one who feels this way.

  14. Anonymous
    November 7, 2010 at 8:31 am

    Some people will do anything for money. Including lying. Keep up the crying about the elections. I
    really like hearing you whine. It’s like sweet music.

  15. Anonymous
    November 7, 2010 at 8:31 am

    Well, the voting public apparently did not agree with you. Give the public a little credit.

  16. 8:21am
    November 7, 2010 at 8:31 am

    Matt Owen works at Wells Fargo, he must be the source!

  17. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    November 7, 2010 at 8:32 am

    8:21 am,

    in the past, I have also been witness to financial sector employees who start discussing their accounts, the people and the what’s. It happens often, with or without some legal process dictating additional conveniences.

    JL

  18. Anonymous
    November 7, 2010 at 8:40 am

    Heraldo, the valid points you have to make are lost in the wash of near daily partisan rhetoric you spew. If you deal with reality (such as today) more often than your fantasy world, your blog would be more effective at swaying the gossipy journalists who read you.

  19. Plain Jane
    November 7, 2010 at 8:51 am

    Why hasn’t there been anything in the news about this? If this is what was discussed in the closed door session of 2 weeks ago, shouldn’t the settlement (if not the details) have been made public?

  20. Mr. Brown
    November 7, 2010 at 8:58 am

    What do you not understand about closed seession.

  21. S Salg
    November 7, 2010 at 9:20 am

    “What doth it profit a man if he gains the whole world and loses his own soul?” Apparently $200,000 and the adoration of Humboldt Herald.

    Anonymous at 8:21–I doubt the information came from the bank, when “Heraldo” has been the dumpster for selectively leaked details all along.

  22. anon
    November 7, 2010 at 9:31 am

    why wasnt this settlement voted on by the council? Why was it brought to them at the 11th hour? The council is obligated to vote to expend moniess and they did not vote. This was contrived by the cm from the get go to save him embarrassment. And if you think this is all insuurance money you are crazy. This is clearly a criminal matter and i hope the city attorney and attorney general are made aware of it

  23. November 7, 2010 at 9:42 am

    This is easy enough …

    1) A nuisance lawsuit was settled. There need not be any merit to it, but this is how some bottom feeders make their living.

    2) The Eureka voters chose jobs and economic progress over obstructionism and ideology, hence a new Council.

    3) This community would be well served if Mr Tyson reconsidered his retirement and stayed on. Why would he do so under the previous council when he lacked their support?

  24. November 7, 2010 at 9:44 am

    Calling the victim of such ugly and public harassment a “bottom feeder” is fucking low, Chris. Even for you.

  25. High Finance
    November 7, 2010 at 9:53 am

    I have to disagree with Chris Crawford on this one. $200,000 is not a nuisance settlement. It would have to mean that there was at least some substance to her claim that the city was afraid she might win.

    But it doesn’t mean that Tyson is evil carnate as too many of you (including Heraldo) have claimed. It could be that Tyson didn’t move as fast as he should.

    And Heraldo, after seeing the smears you have posted these last few months, you have a nerve to accuse anybody else of being “low”.

  26. Plain Jane
    November 7, 2010 at 9:53 am

    OMG Christopher! This from a major voice for local conservatives. SHAMEFUL!

  27. Plain Jane
    November 7, 2010 at 9:54 am

    Can you be specific about these alleged smears, HiFi?

  28. November 7, 2010 at 10:00 am

    I call ’em as I see ’em, HiFi. You have proven to be overly sensitive to any well-deserved criticism of your candidates lies and blunders.

  29. woodsworker
    November 7, 2010 at 10:04 am

    This is a thank you to “sickened”. You got it right.
    Anonymous: Give the public credit? For what? For being ignorant sheep who voted in people like Bass? Baah, Baah.

  30. mresquan
    November 7, 2010 at 10:10 am

    “3) This community would be well served if Mr Tyson reconsidered his retirement and stayed on. Why would he do so under the previous council when he lacked their support?”

    Was something going on behind the scenes between Tyson and Jeff Leonard and Mike Jones?It would seem to me that the only person Dave may have an issue with would have been Larry.Other than Larry and maybe Linda,who else didn’t give Tyson the support he needed?

  31. mresquan
    November 7, 2010 at 10:12 am

    “2) The Eureka voters chose jobs and economic progress over obstructionism and ideology, hence a new Council.”

    Jeff and Mike were obstructionists who opposed economic progress,that was apparent enough.You,me,and heraldo agree on that point.

  32. Fence
    November 7, 2010 at 10:21 am

    If the deposited check was 200k then the settlement was 300k you must not forget the attorneys. A 300k settlement, is real money that has real merits to the case.

  33. tra
    November 7, 2010 at 10:43 am

    Chris Crawford,

    So now we pay out $200,000 for “nuisance” suits? As HiFi noted, the amount suggests that there was some substance to the allegations made in the complaint, and that the attorneys for the city and/or it’s insurer must have believed that she had a real chance of prevailing at trial.

    If the suit really had no merit, they City should have fought it, even if it cost somewhat more in attorney’s fees to prevail at trial — because to pay $200,000 for a suit that actually has no merit and/or no chance of winning would only create an incentive that would encourage others to file such “nuisance” suits. Paying our $200,000 for a claim that had no real basis would set precedent would cost the city more in the long term.

    So, either there really was a substatial basis for the lawsuit, which means the council majority made a serious error by allowing Tyson, their employee, to engage in a pattern of unprofessional conduct over a period of many montyhs, or else the council majority just recently made a very serious error of judgement in approving such a large settlement for a frivolous lawsuit.

    Either way, it doesn’t make the current BassArklian council majority of Jager, Jones and Leonard look very competent. On the other hand, it sets the bar nice and low for the incoming crop of BassArklians.

  34. Plain Jane
    November 7, 2010 at 10:43 am

    Is it possible that Tyson’s resignation was to keep his scandals from becoming an election issue, i.e. “Do you support this dirt bag remaining as city manager?” Now they can pretend it’s a non-issue, purge city hall of “troublemakers” and reinstate the old guard at EPD without the people in the first ward having a real representative on the council. With the exception of Linda Atkins, the entire council will be speaking with one voice, that of the COC.

  35. Anonymous
    November 7, 2010 at 10:45 am

    Chris Crawford says “The Eureka voters chose jobs and economic progress over obstructionism and ideology, hence a new Council.”

    On the night of the election the City voted 3-2 to support the Open Door clinic’s to build a new $10 million clinic on the Halverson site. The dissenters: Jager and Jones.

    Who are the obstructionists? Will the new council members support this project, or turn it away due to their “ideology”?

  36. joeschmo
    November 7, 2010 at 10:57 am

    There’s a little bit to much information being shared in this post and someone may be walking a very fine line by revealing a private settlement pay out on a blog. If the insurance company made the payment, and not the city it may not have to be disclosed.

    In honesty this blog is becoming divisive. It used to be a fun place to hear witty remarks about local things going on with a liberal slant. Now it turns into a hate fest.

    If the city council concluded the issue then great! Let’s move on and see a city council that has team players (albeit with different opinions on it). Today there was a nice article on how the local water board works to create consensus. I feel that the Arcata City Council strives for the same thing.

    Let’s see the best a city can be from here on out.

  37. Anonymous
    November 7, 2010 at 11:06 am

    wordsworker: the voters need credit in that they have their opinion. Sorry it doesn’t jive with yours. That is the way it works in this country. Next election I bet it swings more your way and the other side can complain about the stupid voters.

  38. Cookie
    November 7, 2010 at 11:10 am

    Wasn’t Chris the treasurer for the local ‘tea party’?

    Frankly, I prefer decaffinated herb tea. Then maybe people will calm down.

  39. Anonymous
    November 7, 2010 at 11:23 am

    Calling the victim of such ugly and public harassment a “bottom feeder” is fucking low

    Pot. Kettle. Black.

  40. Carol
    November 7, 2010 at 11:29 am

    It is called “blaming the victim” and reflects poorly on the writer.

  41. Dancing
    November 7, 2010 at 11:43 am

    David Tyson is the victim here.

  42. Ernie
    November 7, 2010 at 11:52 am

    I wanted it to go to trial, so all the salacious photos of Tyson, with his tongue in various peoples ears, could have been seen by the jury.

  43. OffTheRez
    November 7, 2010 at 11:56 am

    Dancing your so happy! are you going to stay on too? Now that your corrupt boss will be! What a happy little dysfunctional family the City of Eureka is.

  44. November 7, 2010 at 12:04 pm

    David Tyson is the victim here.

    Tyson enabled the harassment for so long he victimized himself. The suffering must be almost too much to bear.

  45. Mitch
    November 7, 2010 at 12:06 pm

    joeschmo,

    The Herald seems to be the place where the good old boys’ dirty laundry gets exposure. In other places, the job would be done by a free press.

    It’s not hate to point out that a dysfunctional city government had to pay out a substantial settlement to someone who was treated exceptionally poorly by the city manager.

    It’s not hate to point out that a candidate for supervisor managed to get an “invisible” DUI within the past year, or to point out the appearance that he received special treatment.

    It’s not hate to point out that a candidate for District Attorney lied about cases, or that a candidate for Supervisor claimed the endorsement of the area’s daily, um, “newspaper,” when she hadn’t received it.

    Paraphrasing Harry Truman: Heraldo shows people the truth, and they think it’s hell.

    If the area had a functioning press, this blog would not be the vital information source it has proven to be. But we have none. Instead, we have a press-release regurgitator in place of a daily paper, and a weekly freebie whose editor thinks revealing a public criminal conviction of a candidate for Board of Supervisors is wrong.

    Simply beyond pathetic.

  46. insider
    November 7, 2010 at 12:11 pm

    Joeschmo “Let’s see the best a city can be from here on out.” as oposed to Tyson’s three stooges being the majorty and blocking any worth doing?

  47. Reinventing The Wheel
    November 7, 2010 at 12:11 pm

    “PROGRESS”: Creating more jobs by getting poorer.

    Expanding our saturation in low-wage, part-time big box stores does, indeed, expand the economy for the other predatory “industries” in check-cashing, pawn shops, storage rentals, liquor stores, job scalping, bail bonds, drug rehab homes, property management and property rentals.

    We’ll worry about a diversified economy and local consumer spending later….

    Right?

    Remember the county attorney settlement, or the Dave Wells settlement at HSU for $250,000? It is EXTREMELY rare that these settlements are reported. It’s nothing short of heroic, meriting front page coverage.

    Hundreds of similar cases are secretly “settled” in this tiny rural area, it’s how incompetence maintains power amid petty corruption…keeping victims and information censored by eliminating perceived opponents, (one of the definitions of fascist).

    Hypocrisy unbridled?

    This week, we’re reading EXCUSES for avoidable lawsuits, settlements and wasteful spending; was it incompetence, an agenda, or both? (Never mind, taxpayer’s settled it). Last week, the same folks who have whined for decades about too many complex rules, regulations, and deceit downtown changed their minds when Ron Kuhnel had a problem with a permit.

    Thousands of city and county citizens would register to vote if they had a public-interest media pointing out the hypocrisies, or connecting the dots between our politically dominant development community, and the resulting growth beyond infrastructure capacity, skyrocketing water/sewer bills, and record public deficits, shrinking services, closing schools, and a diminishing police force…that began LONG before the Great Recession, aka, the New Gilded Age.

    Keep up the extraordinary reporting Heraldo!

  48. Barb Leonard
    November 7, 2010 at 12:14 pm

    Heraldo, I think Chris was referring to the lawyers not the alleged victim. Maybe not, but that’s how I interpreted it.

    Whoever leaked this info to you (my guess is Glass to Nielson to Josh er…Heraldo )should be called out for unethical conduct. This was a personnel matter discussed in closed session and should not be for public fodder.

    If Tawney wants to talk about it she should call a press conference. Your spin, released on a blog, in order to stir up speculated nonsense about those with whom you disagree is also bottom feeding….but then you know that, right?

  49. November 7, 2010 at 12:27 pm

    Thanks for that powerful insight, Barb. Someone should hire you to run a campaign.

  50. Plain Jane
    November 7, 2010 at 12:28 pm

    Wasn’t the Wilson settlement the same thing, Barb? It was reported in the T-S within days.

  51. Plain Jane
    November 7, 2010 at 12:30 pm

    “The City Council announced out of closed session Tuesday that the city had settled a threat of litigation with Devora “DeeDee” Wilson, a former police dispatcher who had a pre-lawsuit claim with the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission for sexual harassment and hostile workplace allegations.

    The city agreed to pay Wilson $35,000 for settling without implications to avoid litigation, with the insurance provider paying for half the amount. City Attorney Sheryl Schaffner was unavailable to comment further on the settlement.”

    link

    Why the special treatment on the Hansen settlement?

  52. anon
    November 7, 2010 at 1:50 pm

    why doesnt anyone seem to catch that a criminal act may have been committed by agreeing to a settlement without a vote of the council?

  53. Walt
    November 7, 2010 at 2:10 pm

    “The people of this State do not yield their sovereignty to the agencies which serve them. The people, in delegating authority, do not give their public servants the right to decide what is good for the people to know and what is not good for them to know. The people insist on remaining informed so that they may retain control over the instruments they have created.”

    Oh, how I love the Brown Act. Too bad they never gave it any teeth. . .except the press (which now includes blogs).

  54. Walt
    November 7, 2010 at 2:13 pm

    This is what the law COULD be. The distance between the intent of the law and the reality is the reason I dropped out of law school.

    Meantime, sic ’em, Heraldo!

  55. Truth in information
    November 7, 2010 at 2:26 pm

    Tyson doesn’t need support. Condemnation is a bit closer to the truth. If he is asked to come back it will complete the right’s corruption of this town. The fat cats know how to win an election, got to give them that. However, it doesn’t make the shit they sling less smelly. And it certainly doesn’t bode well for this community. The cloud of crap hangs heavy over city hall, at all levels.

  56. High Finance
    November 7, 2010 at 2:37 pm

    These settlement procedings are closed session items by law in order to protect the individuals involved right to privacy.

    It is very possible that the City Council never had a vote because the insurance company made the payment. Many times the insurance company agrees to a settlement on the provision that it be kept secret by all parties involved. They want it secret in order to not encourage other lawsuits, most of which are nuisance suits.

    If it was somebody at Wells Fargo that leaked this to Heraldo it is, at the very least, a firing offense. It may also be a violation of law. If it was Larry Glass he definitely broke the law.

  57. Mitch
    November 7, 2010 at 2:39 pm

    And if it was Santa Claus, there will be no Christmas.

  58. Plain Jane
    November 7, 2010 at 2:47 pm

    Why is the Hansen case different than the Wilson case, HiFi?

  59. Anonymous
    November 7, 2010 at 2:49 pm

    “truth, The cloud of crap hangs heavy over city hall, at all levels.” and it will be a herculean effort to clean. Without Glass on council the citizens had better show up and speak up, loudly and often, know your rights,and flex them. Never doubt we can change things, and never give in!

  60. sam crow
    November 7, 2010 at 3:44 pm

    “If it was somebody at Wells Fargo that leaked this to Heraldo it is, at the very least, a firing offense. It may also be a violation of law. If it was Larry Glass he definitely broke the law.”
    How would Glass about the check and when it was dated was Tyson showing it off in close session. 10-27-10 Hey it seems to me we were all wishing Larry happy birthday on the 27th. It guess this was an extra gift.

  61. anon
    November 7, 2010 at 4:10 pm

    hi fi, closed session does not give the manager the right to make decisions without a council vote. If nothing is reported out then no vote was taken. Ask the lawyers if the council voted. Ask the lawyers whose money the manager is spending without the consent of the council. This is an individual whose entire persona is characterized by not being accountable and being drunk with power. That is how this mess began. He couldnt believe anyone could resist him and he made the victim pay for having the audacity to resist his advances so he made her suffer a protracted hostile work environ.ent, lied in his deposition, then cut the council out of the settlement

  62. anomous
    November 7, 2010 at 4:26 pm

    Well, have I been given new life and able to post…never understood why I was removed…oops, now. BTW, since it is ok now to use the word F-U-C-K, H, how about understand something, you and your pals lost the race and now you are going to dribble this bullshit till the cows come home…poor Linda, that’s all I can say.

  63. Anonymous
    November 7, 2010 at 4:40 pm

    Jerk. I am a Republican and I hope you aren’t. You give those of us who are centrists and open minded a bad name.

  64. anon1
    November 7, 2010 at 5:36 pm

    SOMEONE needs to re-mind us there is a TRUTH, no matter how all you people pretend..We are talking about peoples lives,and what is right.forget the politics. Remember we are talking about people,real people..

  65. Anonymous
    November 7, 2010 at 6:05 pm

    I agree, anon1, these are real people and derogatory attacks on character and/or spreading rumors is ugly. However, let’s not forget that these “real” people are responsible for their behavior and that spreading rumors and attacks on others are at the center of this whole mess. I have no idea what is true but I think the city deserves better. I think that’s what bothers people – not only the money being paid out but the obvious resulting distraction from attending to city business, which we cannot afford either.

  66. mresquan
    November 7, 2010 at 7:01 pm

    “It is very possible that the City Council never had a vote because the insurance company made the payment. Many times the insurance company agrees to a settlement on the provision that it be kept secret by all parties involved. They want it secret in order to not encourage other lawsuits, most of which are nuisance suits.”

    So when the county settled with Tammy Falor,did the insurance company make the payment?
    That was voted on by the Supes,so what would be different here?

  67. Mr. Brown
    November 7, 2010 at 7:03 pm

    So then we should just continue to spread unsubstantiated lies, rumors and inuendos?

  68. A-Nony-Mouse
    November 7, 2010 at 7:19 pm

    HiFi is so quick to use inuendo to try to implicate Larry. If the Council did not vote on this, they may have had no knowledge of it either. If they did know it could just as easily been Jeff, or Frank, or Mike, or Tyson himself. Loose lips and ships and all that. Insurance companies don’t need to tell the council. The council need only vote to accept the fact that the insurance company will settle, not for how much. In fact, the insurance company in question ususally tells the city what it is going to do. No vote involved unless the city wants to argue and risk losing its coverage.
    I’m just sorry this mess didn’t get to court so we’d know the real truth. All we can do now is guess.

  69. anon
    November 7, 2010 at 9:16 pm

    It is my guess that the Tyson, Bass camp worked hard behind the scenes so that this would not come out before the elections. I feel sorry for Mrs Tyson should David decide to stay on as CM, which smart money says he will do, and Matt Bass Owen, well, not so much.

  70. Brattle
    November 7, 2010 at 9:30 pm

    Well we’ll all just have to wait and see whether some “bottom feeders” (known as the California Coastal Commission, the EPA, and the State and Federal Judiciary, among others) decide that cleanup of polluted coastline sites can be avoided by dint of dedicated local palm-greasing and bottomless local ad campaigns.

    200k may be just the beginning. “Obstruction and ideology” may indeed prove costly – but to those gamblers who began this wager.

  71. Anonymous
    November 7, 2010 at 9:38 pm

    I like Dave, personally – think he’s a smart, savvy City Manager – far better than most we’ve had in past years. But, based on what I know, he should probably bow out gracefully as possible – at least for the sake of his family. Unfortunately, he’s shown a lack of judgment in personal conduct.

  72. Truth in information
    November 7, 2010 at 9:54 pm

    I wonder about hifi, why be the apologist for a guy that got caught with his hand in the cookie jar. Are his transgressions not big enough for you? Why do you think the assistant city manager left for Crescent city, the city attorney left, the finance director left? There is still much to come out about what this man did to the city, like ignoring a huge city deficit. Remember, this guy was finance director before being city manager. Tyson made his own bed, and it had very little to do with Larry Glass. Larry saw what was happening and call him on it, as any decent person would do. That is all folks. You can say what you will hifi, but you need to get on the right side of this story. Otherwise you moral compass needs a major overhaul.

  73. Anonymous
    November 7, 2010 at 10:20 pm

    I don’t think much of this is “unsubstantiated.” It’s more of a matter of what people are willing to overlook in order to maintain the status quo. The process of hiring and “breaking in” a new city manager will not be simple.

  74. Voter
    November 7, 2010 at 10:21 pm

    I would like to hear more about the new clinic to be built on the Halvorsen property–sounds like a good idea, but I’m wondering why Jager and Jones voted against it.

  75. Big Al
    November 7, 2010 at 10:33 pm

    “based on what I know, he should probably bow out gracefully ”

    what do you know?

  76. Eric Kirk
    November 8, 2010 at 12:26 am

    1) A nuisance lawsuit was settled. There need not be any merit to it, but this is how some bottom feeders make their living.

    Uh, 200 grand is a pretty big “nuisance settlement.”

  77. joeschmo
    November 8, 2010 at 12:36 am

    Mitch says:
    November 7, 2010 at 12:06 pm
    joeschmo,

    The Herald seems to be the place where the good old boys’ dirty laundry gets exposure. In other places, the job would be done by a free press.

    It’s not hate to point out that a dysfunctional city government had to pay out a substantial settlement to someone who was treated exceptionally poorly by the city manager.

    It’s not hate to point out that a candidate for supervisor managed to get an “invisible” DUI within the past year, or to point out the appearance that he received special treatment.

    It’s not hate to point out that a candidate for District Attorney lied about cases, or that a candidate for Supervisor claimed the endorsement of the area’s daily, um, “newspaper,” when she hadn’t received it.

    Paraphrasing Harry Truman: Heraldo shows people the truth, and they think it’s hell.

    If the area had a functioning press, this blog would not be the vital information source it has proven to be. But we have none. Instead, we have a press-release regurgitator in place of a daily paper, and a weekly freebie whose editor thinks revealing a public criminal conviction of a candidate for Board of Supervisors is wrong.

    Simply beyond pathetic.

    Here’s the thing. In a functional free press a reporter follows the standards of publishing their name to the article.

    At this point I wonder if the writer of this blog feels righteous enough to say these things they shouldn’t fear coming forward and identifying
    themselves.

    The Times-Standard may report the news two days later than this blog, but at leaswt thew riter puts their own name to it.

  78. Mitch
    November 8, 2010 at 5:48 am

    joeschmo,

    in a functional free press a reporter follows the standards of publishing their name to the article

    True. Also, in a functional (or dysfunctional) free press the reporters are paid for their efforts, provided a building to work out of, copy editing services, an editor to offer wisdom or at least guidance, and a legal team to assist them if they are attacked for going up against power. (“Going up against power.” Quaint idea, I know.)

    I don’t know, but I suspect in countries where a reporter could be destroyed for telling the truth, reporters’ identities are hidden. And there’s a long-standing tradition of reporters protecting the anonymity of their sources, who don’t have the money or protection the reporters have.

    Here in David vs Goliath Humboldt, David needs the benefit of anonymity to be able to provide the service he or/and she provide(s).

    If you are upset by Heraldo, please point to the stories he and/or she has run where false statements remain uncorrected. I’ll be interested to see your list, and whether others agree the statements were false and uncorrected.

    The Times-Standard may report the news two days later

    Or, like the North Coast Relevance, it may not. And when they report the news, all the reporters’ name provides is an early indication of whether the article will be hopelessly slanted. The most recent evidence: John Driscoll helpfully editorializing (oh, I mean “quoting”) how the pulp mill shutdown was the fault of the government, because it wouldn’t shower free money on the for-profit owners.

    And when you are dealing with unreported news of the magnitude of a current DUI criminal conviction having been concealed, and the news is offered by a tipster only a few days before the primary, untimely reporting is equivalent in effect to no reporting.

    It appears many Humboldt voters would vote for a tractor if the developers told them to, but it would still be nice to have the press share what it knows about the tractor’s judgment having been deemed criminal, and before rather than after the voters have a chance to vote.

    Since we cannot rely on that, I’m very grateful we have Heraldo.

  79. Pitchfork
    November 8, 2010 at 6:29 am

    “It appears many Humboldt voters would vote for a tractor if the developers told them to”
    That’s what happen in Eureka!

  80. Plain Jane
    November 8, 2010 at 6:50 am

    And still nothing in the T-S about the Hansen lawsuit settlement.

  81. anonymous
    November 8, 2010 at 8:39 am

    The fox was caught in the henhouse so Eurekans now have to pay big (yes, you will feel the costs of the litigation and insurance payout). The question after the election is: Is everyone prepared for further consequences should the fox decide to stay and play with his cronies?

  82. former resident Sheryl
    November 8, 2010 at 8:56 am

    1) FYI, the poster calling him- or herself “Sheryl” above is not me, the former City Attorney. I don’t post on confidential matters. They are either another Sheryl (I know there is at least one other in the area), or a poser. Can’t tell.

    2) Just as a matter of standard legal procedure, if there was a settlement agreed to in closed session, it wouldn’t be reported out until the other side accepts the full settlement details, so it might not have been final immediately after last week’s special closed session. And if the Council didn’t really get to vote on it because it’s not their money, it’s REMIF’s, they may not have had any action to take to report out. Without a vote to announce, they might still choose to announce out the basic facts anyway, if they could, just to end the wild speculation like we see above. I’m happy to be blissfully unaware though, and wouldn’t tell you if I did know: just outlining typical scenarios in this kind of situation.

    3) It does sound like there may have been some unethical disclosures going on from the bank. But maybe the depositor was in a happy “sharing” kind of mood and volunteered this to a non-bank-employee friend or acquaintance. Who knows.

    4) Until an announcement is made public, we are left with just speculation.

    5) Adios, and best wishes to you all. I’m slowly breaking free of my addiction to reading Humboldt news and blogs. Take care of yourselves, and each other. Remember that we are all at least a little bit made of that which we put out to others, good or ill.

  83. skippy
    November 8, 2010 at 9:17 am

    Voter @ 10:21 pm mentioned a worthy sidenote that needs to be explained.

    Open Door Health Clinic would like to spend up to $10 million to build a health facility within the Eureka City limits. This would provide affordable and low cost health care to all Eureka residents. Mr. Tyson showed them properties available in the City (thank you!). This is great news. It’s a win-win situation for everyone– Open Door, the City, and the health needs of our residents. Even developers and the local contracting trades would have a piece of this substantial, economic-development pie. Open Door could simply build outside of the City limits if they choose to.

    Yet two Council members voted ‘No’ for some reason; Mr. Jones and Mr. Jager.

    Mr. Jones gave a long advert at the recent Council meeting of 11/02/10 lamenting that his son and his company is having a hard time finding work in construction as of late, yet paradoxically voted to stymie the $10 million dollar potential windfall with a ‘No-vote’, along with Mr. Jager for Open Door.

    Why? It’s very well within the best interests of everyone, especially economically and health-wise, of both the City and residents. What gives? Why the ‘No’ votes?

  84. anonymous
    November 8, 2010 at 9:28 am

    You’re asking Jones and Jones to actually use their brains? Laughable. One’s is pickled, and there is little evidence the other ever uses his.

  85. anonymous
    November 8, 2010 at 9:28 am

    sorry, meant jones and Jager

  86. Anon
    November 8, 2010 at 9:48 am

    The County paid Tammy Falor. So there is a difference and there was no law suit either.

  87. Plain Jane
    November 8, 2010 at 10:01 am

    I was talking about Dee Dee Wilson, not Tammy Falor. Dee Dee Wilson’s settlement was to stop her threatened lawsuit. There is no difference in the cases of Wilson and Hansen, but the council announced the Wilson settlement and the T-S reported it.

  88. Anonymous
    November 8, 2010 at 10:16 am

    Regarding the Halvorsen property “…but I’m wondering why Jager and Jones voted against it.”

    Very simple. They were representing the interests of another developer “team” with an alternate property. They were not interested in what was best for the city.

  89. Anonymous
    November 8, 2010 at 10:37 am

    As any HR person from a large organization and they will tell you harassment lawsuits are a huge issue. Even otherwise well run offices can become breeding grounds for problems given the right mix of personalities. A city the size of Eureka is a perfect storm where it is big enough to create social conflict but small enough to make it hard to keep discontented employees away from each other. In addition, union rules and complex HR policies can give management little room to maneuver.

    Easy to place blame for political reasons but the reality is probably much more complicated. Even worse since HR matters aren’t public. Leaves plenty of room for speculation.

  90. Regular Joe
    November 8, 2010 at 10:50 am

    If what Anonymous at 10:16 says is true, I’d like to know more details because it’s outright unconscionable and atrocious for council members Jones and Jager not to do what’s best for the city as elected representatives. At least Mr. Leonard, Glass, and Ms. Atkins had the presence of mind to vote wisely on a no-brainer ‘win-win’, as skippy put it at 9:17.

    I also saw the city council meeting of November 2 on TV, Mr. Jones rambled repeatedly in circles about nothing of import for a long time. I wondered if he was inebriated.

    Perhaps Heraldo can find and present this tape for a future column?

  91. Corruption Reigns
    November 8, 2010 at 11:04 am

    The vote by Jager and Jones against allowing the Open Door Clinic to locate on the Halvorsen site was simply one more example of the long run of corruption we have seen at city hall. Instead of representing the people, they were looking after their developer friends.

    To a large degree this kind of behavior was led by example by our city manager, with his endless back room deals with various buddies, and exacerbated by his major personal moral transgressions,

  92. More of the same
    November 8, 2010 at 11:13 am

    It is hard to tell when Jones is inebriated, because he sounds the same drunk or sober…and that is clueless. Assuming Mike Newman manages to take office we will see more of the same as it appears he is the same. He was drunk on election night (not a good show), and so far appears clueless so he should be able to step into Jones’ shoes with no difficulty.

  93. High Finance
    November 8, 2010 at 11:32 am

    Drunk or sober, Mike Jones & Mike Newman both make a hell of a lot more sense than you hateful people do.

    They are also a lot more decent.

  94. Ditto
    November 8, 2010 at 11:51 am

    If a reputable local company with the wherewithal (Open Door) came into my city (Eureka) and said, ‘We would like to spend $10 million dollars on you’, I’d roll out a red carpet of welcome for them. Especially given that they could also move outside of the city if they wished.

    Add in the senior citizens, children, single moms, and everyone else needing low cost health care, and the cost-competition it creates, I’d really roll out the red carpet for my constituents and their patron provider. Best to get on board now and share the credit, but Jager and Jones missed the boat on this one by being deliberate curmudgeons of self-serving muck. It makes no sense and citizens should know where they stood.

    Heraldo, do a column on this please.

  95. yoiks
    November 8, 2010 at 12:43 pm

    Heraldo once again breaks the law and everyone seems to not notice. Could it be that only local wackos read and post on blogs (for the most part)? And that the only people who really care about this blog are Heraldo and his alter-egos that are regular posters?
    H, you forgot that it would be illegal for the bank to disclose this to anyone but the person to whom the check is issued. Since you won’t (and can’t) cite your imaginary source, no one should read this post with any expectation but to be misled and lied to. Maybe switch to fiction writing? Making things up seems to be your biggest strength!

  96. tra
    November 8, 2010 at 1:00 pm

    “Heraldo once again breaks the law…”

    Please name the law that Heraldo allegedly broke. Oh, and while you’re at it, name the law(s) that Heraldo allegedly broke previously, the basis for your “once again” phrase. It’s “put up or shut up” time…make your choice.

  97. anonymous
    November 8, 2010 at 3:02 pm

    The speculation on the source of the leak is amusing, but pointless. Information like that would never stay a secret, even if Tyson, Bass etc would have liked it to be. The best they could hope for, and achieved, was that it would not break before the elections. A sampling of the potential sources shows us the CM himself, his wife, the mayor, her husband, the city councilors, their spouses, the insurance company, attorneys from both sides, clerks involved in the paper trails, bank employees or customers waiting in the same line, Tawnie herself or any member of her inner circle.

  98. Big Al
    November 8, 2010 at 3:53 pm

    it is usually only 2 degrees of separation in Humboldt

  99. anonymous
    November 8, 2010 at 5:41 pm

    1 in Eureka.

  100. Big Al
    November 8, 2010 at 7:25 pm

    cousin…

  101. anonymous
    November 8, 2010 at 10:27 pm

    Horny old Tyson sat on a wall,
    Horny old Tyson had a great fall.
    All of Rob’s money and
    All of Rob’s men,
    Schemed to put Tyson on top again.

  102. Dont be fooled again
    November 9, 2010 at 5:57 am

    Reading this blog is like watching a train wreck. I feel pity for the people involved, but I can’t stop looking. To live in such a twisted and paranoid world…to be so eager to assume the worst about people and build them up into soulless monsters bent on destroying our fair city…Do you think you are enlightened? Everyone else must be a fool, but you know the real truth? How about instead of running your keyboard, you get off your ergo chair and get your hands dirty helping out. The good people sitting on the city counsel are basically working an additional full time job for like $500.00 per month and all the gripes you can dish out. What are you doing? Complaining is not enlightened. Why not use this form for something constructive. Every park in this city needs work. Is anyone here up for that, or do you think that the evil developers, city staff, and counsel should do it for you?

  103. Decline to State
    November 9, 2010 at 7:00 am

    I always am amazed at how many people are willing to spend tens of thousands of dollars just to get elected to a second job that pays $500 a month. Kinda makes me think there’s more to it.

  104. Plain Jane
    November 9, 2010 at 7:37 am

    Don’t Be Fooled is only fooling himself in his assumptions that people who participate on blog discussions don’t do volunteer work to improve their community, country and world. People who don’t exploit their volunteerism for self promotion aren’t really doing anything worthwhile?

  105. Heidi
    November 9, 2010 at 8:24 am

    “People who don’t exploit their volunteerism for self promotion aren’t really doing anything worthwhile?”
    PJ I do not understand your statement. I volunteer because I live by an ethic “do the next right thing in front of you” and very very often you do not get paid to do so. There is a huge underserved need in this community we can not look to government to serve that need, they must be our partners and assist to empower us to step up and assume that role ourselves. It is called responsibility for our community. This will have to be a paradigmatic shift of sorts but it is really not far from where we are, it is only a change in perception by both government and the volunteer, it is a responsibility, not a gimme. Otherwise we rely on our citys countys states and feds to dole out dough. what they could do is dole out opportunity as partners and empower the citizens to respond. That will absolutely require a new perception of volunteerism. It is as important if not more important than employment. “service above self” engrained in the hearts of every citizen would be the absolute savior of any community in any need. There are some organizations that tout it and do a good job on a task based or project based scale. I say each and every one of us must live it, breath it and when you see need as a citizen you reach out, find partners, collaborate, brainstorm, organize find resources, time, money, talent, materials, and of course get permission and DO IT (stone soup)it must be perceived in your heart as your civic responsibility.

  106. Plain Jane
    November 9, 2010 at 8:28 am

    First of all, it wasn’t a statement, it was a question, Heidi. Don’t Be Fooled assumed that people whose blog don’t volunteer. As we all know, most people who volunteer aren’t doing it to polish their political resumes and don’t get their names in the paper. As to the rest of your post, I agree wholeheartedly.

  107. anonymous
    November 9, 2010 at 8:57 am

    dont be fooled is taking time away from cleaning up a park to post here.

  108. armchair watcher
    November 9, 2010 at 9:03 am

    Jones and Jager were right in not voting to give our best property to an entity that would not pay taxes. It would create traffic and pave over one of the last open spaces we have left in Eureka. If you watched the meeting you would have found out that this will draw more needy to our town. They admitted that they had access to Valley West in Arcata and it would cost less for them. Every one should watch the meeting and realize that we are just drawing needy to our town, something we already have enough of. Why is everyone in such a hurry to build on this beautiful open space that all of us, including wildlife can enjoy.

  109. Plain Jane
    November 9, 2010 at 9:14 am

    Why would Open Door not pay taxes?

  110. Anonymous
    November 9, 2010 at 10:12 am

    Hi Jane,

    They may be exempt from paying property taxes if they qualify due to their non-profit/medical/or other such status.

    That can be a bit short-sided, though, as the benefits that are provided in most of these instances, far outweigh the property tax exemptions.

  111. Plain Jane
    November 9, 2010 at 10:17 am

    Thanks, 10:12. However, I don’t see them listed as exempt:

    link

  112. Anonymous
    November 9, 2010 at 10:22 am

    If you want it to remain open space then change the zoning and build a park. The point is that to some Home Depots are more important than peoples health.

  113. OffTheRez
    November 9, 2010 at 10:30 am

    armchair watcher you are delusional, that site will get developed one way or another, better to have it be something the community really needs. Wake up the needy allready live here.

  114. Anonymous
    November 9, 2010 at 10:57 am

    What happened to “Eureka needs jobs NOW!” rant?

  115. skippy
    November 9, 2010 at 11:07 am

    Open Door is paying a good amount for the property which no one has been interested in thus far.

    I think it’s important uninsured families have medical needs taken care of, especially if you like to have reasonable alternatives to expensive medical care or don’t want widescale Obama-care. It won’t ‘draw the needy to our town,’ but does offer some stability. It’s for our good residents, young and old, maybe you and I, or the elderly neighbor or single Mom down the street, who need health care and may not have or afford insurance.

    Meeting folks across the State, I’ve met uninsured families going bankrupt due to medical costs, some losing their homes. And yes, I volunteer like so many others here, just don’t mention it. I believe in helping our fair city be a better place to live and work, putting that into practice after retiring.

  116. skippy
    November 9, 2010 at 11:10 am

    Anon @9:57 brought up a good point. Open Door will be hiring employees and providing employment, probably something better than the retail minimum wage we’ve come to expect. Wouldn’t we all want that?

  117. Anonymous
    November 9, 2010 at 11:15 am

    There are many middle class insured people that use Open Door Clinic services.

  118. Plain Jane
    November 9, 2010 at 11:16 am

    Considering the shortage of medical care in Eureka with most offices not accepting any new patients, including the Eureka Community Health Center, another clinic is urgently needed. However, like Home Depot, this is probably not the best use for this bay front property.

  119. tra
    November 9, 2010 at 11:21 am

    Open Door provides high-quality health care at an affordable price. It doesn’t surprise me at all that they need space to expand to meet the demand for their services.

  120. tra
    November 9, 2010 at 11:23 am

    “…this is probably no the best use for this bay front property.”

    But not the worst use, either. By the way, how much actual square footage are we talking about for the clinic and its parking lot, etc.?

  121. Anonymous
    November 9, 2010 at 12:37 pm

    People said that a clinic wasen’t the best use of ag lands when Potawot in Arcata was proposed either. Look what they did. Imagine a clinic with nearby walking trails, gym and boating facility, near public transportation and downtown services. Now we are talking about real health and wellness, not just a place we go when we are sick.

  122. Plain Jane
    November 9, 2010 at 1:42 pm

    I don’t understand what is beneficial about locating a doctors’ office near walking trails, gym and boating facilities. That they exist is vital, but whether there is a doctors’ office nearby is irrelevant. Is this clinic going to have its own lab and x-ray departments or are people going to have to cross town for ancillary services to complete their evaluations? Another piece of prime waterfront property being converted to business that has no maritime or industrial use just seems like a poor choice.

  123. Anonymous
    November 9, 2010 at 1:49 pm

    Kayakers, joggers, transients, and return Madaket passengers enjoy the bay. I suspect the majority of Eurekans are indifferent or even think of the bay as an unpleasant place to be.

    Keep that in mind when making up ‘best use’ scenarios. What you really mean is, “What I want.” Eureka just voted on a zoning measure which indicates a majority of voters don’t mind the “best use” being for commercial development of the property. And, while I personally would rather see restoration of the land, undeveloped, or possibly the addition of hiking trails, I also have a certain disdain for the arrogance of some progressives exhibited on this blog. In some respects, I believe that arrogance is what cost us the city council.

  124. Plain Jane
    November 9, 2010 at 2:02 pm

    Jeezus 1:49. What is arrogant about talking about land use issues? That a medical office isn’t the best use for waterfront property is just common sense. Filling in all the vacant land on the bay with non-maritime, non-tourist, non-shipping, non-manufacturing businesses makes future industry which would enhance and be enhanced by close proximity to the bay less likely.

  125. Decline to State
    November 9, 2010 at 3:18 pm

    Could a 30,000 square foot, $10,000,000 health clinic at the Halvorson site be considered a “big box” on the bay?

  126. High Finance
    November 9, 2010 at 3:35 pm

    For the first time in a long time, PJ has a valid point.

    Unlike the MC property, the Halvorsen property is right on the bay. It is prime property. There are plenty of places to put a doctor’s office in town.

  127. pete
    November 9, 2010 at 4:24 pm

    Guess what-locals AND tourists enjoy Halvorson with its unspoiled views. We have the Blues Festival there and people are able to walk and enjoy the beauty of the bay all year long. Why does every square inch of the bay need to be built on? This is on the bay with all mammals, fish and bird life that would be better off without more buildings on the waterfront.

  128. skippy
    November 9, 2010 at 4:47 pm

    But what if the Open Door facility is an improvement, or is a beautiful building, or has attractive grounds like Potowat village? Or has a conference center available to the community? Or allows trails or public access to the Bay? Or provides jobs? Would you rather have light-industrial uses there? An ice-making plant? Boat repair services? Condominiums? Another County Maintenance facilty? We could go on all day in this regard.

    There may be better uses for the property– and certainly worse ones. A substantial $10 million of improvement and injection into the economy, jobs, on-going income, and providing health care (a clean industry) isn’t too shabby. Far from it. Nor would I be too quick to bite the hand that helps Eureka economically due to wishful thinking and supposed choices of other potential businesses that simply aren’t here. If they were here, they could also choose to buy the property. We haven’t seen that, have we? The property has been vacant for many years or more.

    The question is also: why did Mr. Jager and Jones attempt to torpedo jobs and development within the City limits? A good and viable reason still has not been offered.

  129. Anonymous
    November 9, 2010 at 4:58 pm

    I’m glad Plain Jain was not on the Arcata planning commission when the Potawot health clinic was approved.

  130. Joe
    November 9, 2010 at 5:00 pm

    I’m surprised by Hi-Fi’s 3:35 comment. I would expect he would allow the free marketplace to decide, and that of an individual business to determine what best suits their needs. Just as one may choose to buy distressed or foreclosed properties, rehabilitate them, and rent them for an honest profit, dependig on supply and demand.

  131. Plain Jane
    November 9, 2010 at 5:31 pm

    Yeah, because a health clinic next door to a hospital is just crazy zoning.

  132. More on Halvorsen
    November 9, 2010 at 5:34 pm

    The Open Door Clinic would be on the bay, but it would lie to the east of the Adorni Center and Aquatic Center, and while both are fine facilities neither exactly qualify as tourist attractions.

    And for those that keep wondering why Jones and Jager voted the way they did look back further on this thread. It had everything to do with representing their developer friends on Tydd Street, not the best use of this property on any real concern for Eureka’s economy or need for better health care.

  133. Am I stupid to suggest...
    November 9, 2010 at 5:47 pm

    Good grief Plane Jane? What the heck are we waiting for? How long has this property been dormant without any takers? Now someone with a viable plan steps up and all of a sudden you are the obstructionist again. When are you going to step up with any suggestions for anything productive instead of declaring how wrong, wrong, wrong every one else and every other idea is? You bitch, moan and gripe, but have nothing to say that will help with anything!.. Geesh….you may be articulate and have some good sound bites, but lets face it…you got nothing.

  134. Plain Jane
    November 9, 2010 at 6:01 pm

    Good grief, Stupid! I didn’t say I was opposed. I was raising a valid point. You have to weigh all the aspects of an issue before choosing. Or at least logical people do.

  135. Anonymous
    November 9, 2010 at 7:03 pm

    Well, I for one would rather see something related to bay use, since it is on the bay, than a building that could be built anywhere, and doesn’t need proximity to water or a view. People are not going to go for a walk and then have their health care, or have their health care appt and then go for a walk, on a workday, or at least most won’t.

  136. Anonymous
    November 9, 2010 at 8:01 pm

    If there was not so much open bay lands maybe I would be more sympathetic to the “water related” argument. We have the Adorni Center and the Wharfinger Building, both could not be on the bay. But they are, and our city is better for it.

    There are many new ideas and ways of thinking with regards to providing health services. One is that these services should be in convenient and attractive locations, such as by the bay. You want people to want to go to the health facilities, especially if you are promoting health over just treating people when they are sick.

    If we really want to change the way we view how our health and environment are connected then the location where we do this really matters. It is obvious that most of us in Eureka are not ready for this. Maybe someday…

  137. Heidi
    November 9, 2010 at 10:33 pm

    It needs to be either beautiful or unique, accessible and useful. It is a fabulous organization and I believe the exclusive right to negotiate gives the city control over exactly what goes there. You want to make a difference in your city, get involved in the public process and tell your council members just what you want your city to be like. They represent you, that is their job.

  138. Anonymous
    November 9, 2010 at 11:08 pm

    PJ If open door is the same as eureka community health they are not non profit, I tried to make a charitable donation last year and could not

  139. Anonymous
    November 10, 2010 at 9:17 am

    How are hotels, restaurants, even a walking trail bay dependent? Why are all these things improved by a view and nice location and not health care?

  140. Reinventing The Wheel
    November 10, 2010 at 10:46 am

    It would make more sense to focus development on blighted properties and empty lots that are plentiful in Eureka. The Downtowner property would be perfect. Allowing anyone to grow such an eyesore for 13 years is ridiculous.

  141. Anonymous
    November 10, 2010 at 11:26 am

    I agree with Wheel – but it does look as though progress is being made, albeit slow, on the Downtowner property. Has it really been 13 years? Wow!

  142. Anonymous
    November 10, 2010 at 12:27 pm

    8:01 you are comparing apples and oranges. Both the Adorni and the Wharfinger are public spots that have large crowds and a view is a big part of their attraction. They are rented out to the public for events. Health care centers no not need views or proximity to walking trails or the bay.

  143. Anonymous
    November 10, 2010 at 12:42 pm

    Views are important to many facets of our lives. However, large crowds of the Adorni or the Wharginger do not “need” views (they are better for it). There are many public places without views. If you rent out the facilities they are no longer “public” per say. The point is is that you want to attract people to health facilities, it is a different way of looking how we as a society deliver health services and how we view wellness as connected to our surroundings.

    Or we can reserve the property for a hotel (or some other imaginary use), where you pay for the view.

  144. Not A Native
    November 10, 2010 at 1:10 pm

    I’ve never seen an examination room with a window, let alone a ‘view’. Don’t think I’d want one either considering medical needs for privacy and hygiene.

    From a purely economic point of view, its better to have scarce waterside land gain value from its water related location.

    Medical services don’t have higher value if they are offered near water. Insurance companies and Medicare won’t pay more for that. But the aquatic center and Adorni Center services certainly have more value because of their being on the water.

  145. Anonymous
    November 10, 2010 at 1:35 pm

    I agree with NAN on this one. The higher costs associated with high priced locations should make a location on the water a non-choice for a health care facility.

  146. Anonymous
    November 10, 2010 at 1:38 pm

    12:42. Try to rent out your building for a wedding or fundraiser located without views and check the difference in popularity and price compared to those with views and other good locations. This is just a dumb discussion.

  147. Anonymous
    November 10, 2010 at 3:29 pm

    It doesn’t matter what you want, it matters what the business wants and wishes to buy. If you’d like something else, buy it and do it.

    Who has the coin of the realm? You? Uh, no. Sorry, Charlie, you’re simply not in the driver’s seat here.

    Are Jager and Jones representing their own or private interests of other investors by obstructing the purchase? If so, wouldn’t that be just short of exerting undue influence under the color of authority, possible exhortion… and likely illegal?

  148. Anonymous
    November 10, 2010 at 3:37 pm

    Arcata had this discussion 10 years ago about the value of ag land and the new idea that you could connect health care with the environment. I suggest you visit Potawot and see what innovation and creative thinking can do. There were many that said, ‘an exam room doesn’t need a view of wetlands or a farm’ or, ‘can’t we put the clinic in an industrial area’. Thank goodness city council had an open mind.

  149. Anonymous
    November 10, 2010 at 3:39 pm

    Yes 1:38, and see how health clinics in nice places also have more customers, meaning better health for our community.

  150. Plain Jane
    November 10, 2010 at 3:51 pm

    That’s hilarious, 3:39. First of all, all of our health clinics (and medical offices for that matter) have all the “customers” they can schedule. Second of all, building health care facilities on “view” property drives up the cost of the facility and that drives up the price of health care. Thirdly, Potawat was built next to the hospital which is a convenient location and of far more importance than the “view.” People who go to the doctor for the view are wasting health care dollars.

  151. Anonymous
    November 10, 2010 at 4:07 pm

    If there was ANY pressure to build ANYTHING on the eureka water front maybe we could prioritize more.

  152. tra
    November 10, 2010 at 4:20 pm

    Well I’m pretty skeptical of the notion that people will make their health care decisions based on whether or not there is a nice view from the clinic waiting room. Maybe when choosing an assisted living facility or nursing home, but not a regular clinic.

    People go to the Open Door because they provide a high level of care at an affordable price, accept Medicare and Medicaid, and have a sliding fee scale…not because of the view.

    I haven’t made up my mind about this project one way or the other, except to say that it seems like it’s not the very best use of waterfront property, nor is it the worst use one could think of either.

  153. Anonymous
    November 10, 2010 at 5:28 pm

    Eureka’s a mess & expecting Home Depot to fix everything is so silly. Where are the Arkleys going to hide all the homeless people at? When Cherie Arkley lost her campaign for mayor of Arkleyville she did say her solution to homelessness in Eureka is to send them all to Arcata. I think Arcata already has more than its share. How about that friendly city Fortuna?

  154. Anonymous
    November 10, 2010 at 5:55 pm

    Fortuna is not friendly to homeless. Arcata is. Exactly Cherie’s point. As rude as you can make that sound, it is probably what she meant.

  155. armchair watcher
    November 10, 2010 at 6:02 pm

    Watch the council meeting when it is aired again. The traffic would be horrendous. There would have to be parking for something like 100-150 employees. They would serve thousands of patients. Do we want to see that beautiful piece of land turned into a parking lot? This is the wrong place for this facility. They said that their other place that would work well besides Tydd Street was Valley West. It is right of the freeway and has tons of parking.

  156. anonymous
    November 10, 2010 at 6:08 pm

    How about sending the homeless back where they came from if they are from out of town or out of state. No town should have to take care of lazy druggies and psychos that show up in town expecting a free ride.

  157. A-Nony-Mouse
    November 10, 2010 at 6:41 pm

    I’ve been accused of being against every growth project in Eureka. True, I am opposed to some really stupid ones that harm our economy like the mega-retail Marina Center. I am NOT opposed to the Open Door Clinic’s project on the Halverson Tract. In fact, I’m an enthusiastic supporter and I’ll tell you why. The average age of primary care physicians in Eureka is well into their 50’s. That means fewer and fewer doctors as time goes by. Open Door will likely become a major provider of theses services in Eureka. Now why the Halverson? Strangely enough, there are few available parcels in Eureka of the 3 1/2 to 4 acres the Open Door has designed its clinic for. Tydd Street, while convenient, has so many wetlands issues that the time it would take to resolve them would threaten the project. The grant to build it specifies that it MUST be open in TWO YEARS. There are literally no other sites readily available in Eureka.

    It is also true that no one else has expressed an interest in the Halverson property. It would be between the bridge and the park, leaving lots of room for Blues and other festivals. It would bring at least 50 good paying jobs to the Old Town area with associated economic benefits (lunch, anyone?). It would free up the existing Open Door site on Buhne for related uses that would bring another 50 good jobs and increased services.

    All of these factors override other claims on the property when considering the greater public good.
    Frank and Mike nearly shot us in the foot trying to represent the narrow interests of certain other property owner/developers. Frank and the new council need to at least try to consider the needs of their constituents. We need the Open Door Clinic in Eureka.

  158. Anonymous
    November 10, 2010 at 6:45 pm

    Tydd Street? Convenient? For who?

  159. A-Nony-Mouse
    November 10, 2010 at 6:49 pm

    To Armchair, the project is not designed or funded for Arcata. The Open Door Clinic already has a facility there. It is possible that this new facility could even bring the administrative offices to Eureka. More jobs. More income. But we’re talking about FIFTY jobs here, not hundreds. And patients don’t come in huge traffic-clogging swarms. That’s why there’s such a thing as appointments.
    I guess you’d give this one to Arcata just like most of our manufacturing jobs.

  160. A-Nony-Mouse
    November 10, 2010 at 6:51 pm

    It would also be a ‘legacy project’ for Tyson. God knows he needs one!

  161. Plain Jane
    November 10, 2010 at 7:09 pm

    Are they planning on moving from the Buhne Street offices to the new building or is this additional office space to increase the number of providers to see more patients, Anonymouse?

  162. tenth street dreamer
    November 10, 2010 at 7:16 pm

    I can hardly wait to witness the first moves of the new council. Maybe it will be giving the Zoo lots more money, cut the police budget again, try and push the CCC into lightening up on Marina Center, propose annexing Cutten, double everyone’s water bill, invite Dave back from retirement, start spending the half percent tax increase before they have it in the bank, fire the chief of police. Anyone else have any additions to the list?

  163. Reality Check
    November 10, 2010 at 7:31 pm

    Let’s see-hire Jeff Leonard back as a consultant at a very high salary, and let’s hire his hypocrite mother as well-she can dish it, but can she take it?-Arkley has the whole family bought, so might as well. From there, let’s ban same-sex marriage because it’s wrong according to Frank Jager, all marijuana talk needs to go back in the closet as well-how dare those low-life people make a living on drugs-DRUGS I TELL YOU!! And as the new Eureka City Council, we will be moving all business and financial decisions away from the council and over to the chamber of commerce!

  164. High Finance
    November 10, 2010 at 7:36 pm

    Water rates have to go up, no ifs ands or buts about it. Do we have a minimal increase for individuals or do we soak businesses that will cost people their jobs? I vote for non job killers.

    There will be cuts to the EPD & the Fire Dept, no ifs ands or buts about that also. They have to close a multiple million dollar deficit & Public Safety takes up 72% of the budget. Simple third grade arthmetic tells you where a lot of the cuts must go.

    Annexing Cutten, Myrtletown & Pine Hill only makes sense. Those areas are Eureka in every single thing other than official boundries. What we have been told in the past, by prior city managers among others, is that a city of 50,000 has available to it more help from the state than a town of 26,000. We are 50,000 already so why not make it official?

    Dave Tyson has been the best city manager Eureka has had in over 25 years. If he is so foolish as to want to come back the new council should be glad to have him back.

    The new council should end all talk about any homeless campgrounds or homeless parking lots or any increased services to that group. We MUST stop attracting those people to our town if we want to survive. Shut down the Serenity Inn. Save the Halvorsen Property to businesses that need waterfront property. Somebody here came up with the idea of the Downtowner Motel for the Open Door clinic – perfect idea.

    Do everything possible to get the MC going, including tax breaks if possible for RA if that will help.

    Bring back the street sweepers, adult rec programs & expand the child rec programs. These are things that make the quality of life better for everybody.

  165. Anonymous
    November 10, 2010 at 7:38 pm

    We don’t have street sweepers?

  166. High Finance
    November 10, 2010 at 7:54 pm

    Last I heard we had one left, but that was months ago. I do know that the street in front of my office has not been swept in months. He used to come every other week.

  167. Heidi
    November 10, 2010 at 7:55 pm

    I do, it has long handle and bristles on it :)

  168. tenth street dreamer
    November 10, 2010 at 8:58 pm

    I forgot about that old street sweeper. Of course it will be back. There will be no dispensaries, and another bad idea, the Jefferson School project will become null and void, and a new CR sign will go up in front. Slum landlords will be given wide latitude in maintaining their properties. Cell towers will pop up everywhere, and no more public notification when it comes to tenets living near a proposed project. Next round Hifi.

  169. Anonymous
    November 10, 2010 at 9:09 pm

    Dave Tyson’s been City Manager for how long? Annexation has never budged an inch, not one page of one application ever submitted to LAFCo to actually make it happen. Why does High Finance believe anything will change now? Or was Larry Glass magically preventing annexation when he wasn’t on the Council between 2000 and 2006, much less when he was on the Council in the minority?

  170. Mr. Brown
    November 10, 2010 at 9:14 pm

    Annexation has been talked about for over 40 years. Hasn’t happened yet.

  171. Anonymous
    November 10, 2010 at 10:22 pm

    I did appreciate the street sweepers. Am actually not sure I realized they were gone, but wondered – have noticed the gutters and streets around my house have not been cleaned for some time.

    As for the Open Door Clinic, great for Eureka, I think. It initially sounded like a bad idea to me in that location – on the Waterfront. However, A- Nony-Mouse made some points I find compelling.

  172. Anonymous
    November 11, 2010 at 7:20 am

    Yes, because we have to entice people to come have their health care by providing a view. Health care is already too expensive.

  173. insider
    November 11, 2010 at 7:44 am

    (High Finance says:November 10, 2010 at 7:54 pm
    Last I heard we had one left, but that was months ago. I do know that the street in front of my office has not been swept in months. He used to come every other week.)
    Thanks for the hint HiFi now is your office on I street or 3rd street?

  174. BBQ
    November 11, 2010 at 8:22 am

    Jeez, Plain Jane, I hated (HATED!) you last week. And, now I want to kiss you. Just goes to show there are many aspects to everyone’s being.

  175. Anonymous
    November 11, 2010 at 8:32 am

    With Humboldt County having the highest mortaility rate in the state maybe we should do something different. I embrace Open Door clinc by the bay!

    The Halverson site costs less than any other site in Eureka. So by your lame theory health care will cost less.

  176. High Finance
    November 11, 2010 at 8:54 am

    Insider, the street sweeper sweeps all of Old Town & Downtown.

    Do you have some kind of crush on me?

  177. skippy
    November 11, 2010 at 9:17 am

    A-Nony-Mouse @6:41 and 6:49: Most Excellent and Knowledgable Posts!

    Tenth Street Dreamer @7:16pm: You sound eerily psychic.

    Hi-Fi @ 7:36pm would paradoxically welcome the Marina Center and Home Depot on their parcel, but not Open Door on theirs. Does the other shoe fit now… and exactly what side of the bread are you buttered on? Just teasing, of course. Your points are well taken.

    All teasing aside, all posters brought up good and interesting points, pro and con, in a civil and cogent way. Thank you for your thoughts, contrary or consenting.

    Yes, I’m in favor of Open Door investing into the community and welcome them wholeheartedly. They provide a great service for our community.

  178. Plain Jane
    November 11, 2010 at 9:28 am

    I’m still waiting to hear if Open Door is opening a 2nd facility in Eureka or just moving from their present location. Still haven’t made up my mind about how I feel about it. On the one hand, the inconsistency of using bay property for business which would do just as well, if not better, elsewhere bothers me. Where are the support services like lab, x-ray, pharmacies, etc? On the other hand, we need more medical care for the people, especially those with limited income. If the price for the Halvorsen property is really cheaper than elsewhere, that would be a positive factor; but it makes no sense that it would be cheaper. If it is just a move from an existing building conveniently located to a new one inconveniently located on the bay, where’s the gain?

  179. tra
    November 11, 2010 at 10:07 am

    If it’s true that there is no other suitable site in Eureka for the Open Door project, then I would lean in favor of this proposal, basically because the Open Door is such an exemplary organization — very effective, efficient, and humane — and its clinics offer much-needed services.

    I do agree with HiFi and P.J. (!) that, ideally, it would be better to have something at that location that is more waterfront-dependent. But there doesn’t seem to be any concrete proposal in the works from any other party, so the Open Door clinic may be a reasonable way to go.

  180. High Finance
    November 11, 2010 at 10:34 am

    The diff Skippy is that the Open Door would be right on the water & there are lots of other places to put it.

    But I will keep an open mind about it. I would like to see the exact placement & how much land they would use. Would it disrupt the usage of Halvorsen Park for Blues by the Bay & other festivals?

  181. skippy
    November 11, 2010 at 12:12 pm

    That’s a good diff, alright. Thank you for bringing us back to center, Hi Fi. Well taken.

    There may be other places, but I’m not sure there are ‘lots.’ Or even one in the city limits. A-Nony-Mouse at 6:41 pm says the available sites of 3-4 acres Open Door needs are rare and the Tydd street location has limitations for development (remember, Open Door has two year window for completion). He appears knowledgable, informed, realistic– and inasmuch as this site is hearsay– I suspect this to be the case. He also clearly tells us, more or less, the location of the waterfront parcel which does not interefere with Blue on the Bay and other waterfront events.

    Open Door could choose another site outside of the city limits. This choice would not be for the good, or to the benefit, of our fair city.

  182. Plain Jane
    November 11, 2010 at 12:19 pm

    Has all the land been sold up by Planned Parenthood?

  183. johnny
    November 11, 2010 at 2:34 pm

    If you like to know more about Open Door and their services, visit their simple website at:

    http://www.opendoorhealth.com/index.php

  184. Anonymous
    November 11, 2010 at 3:30 pm

    Could it be that the political donations of the owner of the Tydd street property might have a connection to how the city council feels about the Halverson site?

  185. anon1
    November 11, 2010 at 5:40 pm

    I knew Hi/fi was human he now believes that the Home Depot would be better suited away from our precious bay and that there are a bunch of opportunities for HD away from our bay and the Balloon tract..Just like the Open Door..Thanks for the insight..Makes sense huh..

  186. anonymous
    November 11, 2010 at 6:54 pm

    Watch the council meeting rerun on channel 10. You will find our that besides Tydd Street there was Valley West that would be just right. May be not the water view but it was in the plans.

  187. High Finance
    November 11, 2010 at 9:09 pm

    Anon1, you have a lot of comprehension problems.

  188. A-Nony-Mouse
    November 13, 2010 at 7:16 pm

    Some corrections and new information are in order. There were originally 3 sites big enough inside Eureka; Halverson, Tydd Street, and one behind the old Safeway on Harris. St. Jo’s has the Safeway site and plans to build its cancer center there. As it turns out, after further investigation, Halverson has more issues than first thought . None of them are insurmountable but some could take more time than the grant will allow. After another 2 weeks of negotiation on Tydd Street, many of its problems have been or can relatively easily be resolved. In fact, it looks far better than originally thought. So Open Door has decided to pursue that site instead of Halverson. The Clinic must be open to patients within two years so time becomes a major element.

    PJ, the answer on Buhne is YES. The plan is to make it a training center for physician interns from Davis, nursing students from Humboldt State and CR, and PA’s from where ever PAs come from. There would be an urgent care center to replace the one St Jo’s is going to close when it’s building projects are all done. That would give Eurekans urgent care services at clinic prices instead of emergency room prices. It would also add jobs.

    So, while I would fully support the Halverson site if that was what Open Door wanted, I can also get behind Tydd Street. What is important is the we get the clinic in Eureka, for jobs, for health care, and for good of our town.

    See, HiFi. It’s not that hard to consider alternatives. If RA was willing to do so, I have no doubt the public could help find economically viable uses for the BT that would benefit our community far more than another big box ever could. Flexibility…hmmmm….what a concept!

  189. tenth street dreamer
    November 13, 2010 at 7:30 pm

    Thanks for the update Nony. A project that really benefits the community, that is great news that Tydd St can be used. Let’s hope it gets done in a timely manner. Could be a model for a new 38 acre hi-tech out patient health care campus. But I guess some feel a new shopping experience is better for the community.

  190. skippy
    November 13, 2010 at 7:43 pm

    Nony-Mouse, I’m impressed with your knowledge and insight @7:16. You know your stuff; I checked out some of it and you’re right on the mark. Accurate. Thank you for the important update.

  191. tra
    November 13, 2010 at 7:49 pm

    “Could be a model for a new 38 acre (!) hi-tech out-patient health care campus…”

    I have a hard time seeing how Humboldt County, which will already have St. Joe’s, Mad River, the new Open Door campus, etc., could possibly have the need for a new 38 acre out-patient health care campus.

  192. tra
    November 13, 2010 at 7:52 pm

    Glad to hear that the Tydd St. site may work out!

  193. Anonymous
    November 13, 2010 at 9:10 pm

    Developers have tried to develop the Tydd street properties for many years now. I have a hard time believing that suddenly now “many of its problems have been or can relatively easily be resolved”. More importantly, can ALL of its problems be resolved or are they really less than the Halverson or some other site? I hope so for Open Door Clinic’s sake.

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