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Good vs. Evil

Virginia Bass campaigner Richard Marks says he was “bullied” by a “mob” who asked for his “head on platter” at an October meeting of the Humboldt County Democratic Central Committee.

Exaggerate much?

Marks also gives his thoughts on the election, including how Supervisor Bonnie Neely went “negative,” never mind Virginia’s strict adherence to pure positivism.

*Cough.*

But because the Marina Center — if it’s ever built — is going to save us by playing a shell games with retail jobs, Marks asks:

Since when are local businesses determined to be “evil developers?”

Readers should prepare themselves for four years of such probeless platitudes.  If you question any development (with the exception of that satanic Ridgewood Village plan, of course) you will find yourself caught in a battle between what the winning slate considers heaven (a new big box mall) and hell.

  1. Anonymous
    November 12, 2010 at 1:33 am

    Yup, just keep up with the alienation of working class Dems and independents and you’ll just keep losing at the polls.

    Your Central Committee/Dumbockery Limited control freak games are over. The Measure T Baggers will have to move on to their next scam because we’re not taking orders from you anymore.

  2. Plain Jane
    November 12, 2010 at 4:42 am

    When anonymouses use the imperial “we” to make their case, you know they’ve got delusions of grandeur.

  3. Harold h. Greene
    November 12, 2010 at 7:02 am

    “Your Central Committee/Dumbockery Limited control freak games … ”

    whah ! (we) should’ve asked first.

  4. Dont be fooled again
    November 12, 2010 at 7:21 am

    “Good vs. Evil” black and white thinking does not often lead to a healthy solution. The “us vs. them” we so often encounter on this blog is really quite childish. People who constantly highlight our differences only reinforce their own fears. The reality is that our differences are minuscule next to our similarities. If a solution to our problems is what is desired, emphasize our common ground. That is where we will find the best possible outcomes. Try being for something instead of against anything.

    Unless you just get off on bickering, in which case, please disregard.

  5. November 12, 2010 at 7:28 am

    So let me get this straight, H … you’re complaining about Richard making this a good or evil argument and you do so by making a good and evil argument substituting your own bad guys?

    Truth be told, we (both sides of this ideological chasm) have a LOT more in common than we have issues that separate us. For instance, most of the community want a healthy environment AND a healthy economy. Where we seem to have gone astray is our inability to agree to disagree when we can’t find that common ground.

  6. Plain Jane
    November 12, 2010 at 7:36 am

    Where we have gone astray is in some people’s eagerness to lie outrageously when the truth doesn’t convince.

  7. November 12, 2010 at 7:38 am

    No Chris, my point is to mock the good vs. evil argument.

  8. Fence
    November 12, 2010 at 7:53 am

    The reason the City is fighting Ridgewood village is because they don’t want any sales tax spending outside of the City. Even at the expense of the environment by adding all the extra greenhouse gas emissions by not having local services. The ECP area is planned to have over 5000 homes with no services like grocery store. It would be like building McKinleyville without a grocery store or any services. The City is acting like a greedy pig.

  9. High Finance
    November 12, 2010 at 7:55 am

    The left got so far out there with their opposition to any progress that the center-right voters finally woke up.

    The whole city should be thanking people like Paykeeper, Glass/Atkins, Heraldo, Plain Jane & the Humboldt Democrat Central Committee for waking people up & voting your candidates out.

    But we need you all to keep it up. Articles like this one give me high hopes you have learned nothing at all by being slaughtered on the 2nd.

    I sincerely thank you all.

  10. 06em
    November 12, 2010 at 7:59 am

    I’d say progressives have to keep up with convincing working-class Dems and independents. Too many regular folks around the country still think corporations are their friends. But every day folks are coming to the realization that the main purpose of corporations is to take their money as efficiently as possible. And unlike the government, that takes their money to use for the good of all, corporations just plain take their money.

    What does government do with the money? Create and maintain good paying jobs (many of them good union jobs) for folks around the country who work to keep our quality of life through repairing roads and keeping the peace and educating our children and aiding the poor and making scientific discoveries and so on.

    What do corporations do with the money? Buy as low as possible, sell as high as possible, hire as low as possible, fire as needed and cut corners when possible. All in service to the main goal of any corporation which is to make as much profit as possible and to make more of it this year than last.

    In between the two is the local small business owner, who would like to make as much money as possible, but has to be able to look his employees and customers in the eye every day. I hope local folks are spending their money in locally owned businesses and buying locally made products whenever they can because keeping it local makes our local economy stronger. It’s the patriotic thing to do. ;-)

  11. 06em
    November 12, 2010 at 8:16 am

    Chris,

    The problem with agreeing to disagree in the case of the Marina Center is that the end result could be a giant asphalt and cement monument to retail that will alter the heart of Eureka for decades to come. If the worst fears of the progressive side of this particular disagreement come to pass, Eureka will have forever lost its uniqueness and we might as well be living in LA. But at least we’ll be able to shop … whatever that means.

  12. November 12, 2010 at 8:17 am

    I was waiting for High Finance to take a virtual victory lap.

    Exaggeration is standard procedure on most blogs that carry some agenda.

    Readers should prepare themselves for four years of such probeless platitudes.

    Do not worry… you have trained your readers so well.

  13. Anonymous
    November 12, 2010 at 8:18 am

    Don’t forget that corporations are owned by shareholders. Don’t forget that corporations can be small.

  14. Anonymous
    November 12, 2010 at 8:20 am

    06em we have the Bayshore Mall, Kmart, Target, Valley West, Redwood Village. It’s already happened, didn’t you notice? We also have maintained a very nice old town in Eureka and the plaza area in Arcata.

  15. Dont be fooled again
    November 12, 2010 at 8:23 am

    06em,

    “we might as well be living in LA”? Do you suppose anyone mistakes Cresent City for LA?

  16. Witness
    November 12, 2010 at 8:29 am

    Richard Marks got called out by Andy Bird for his underhanded scheming to defeat real Democrats. He resigned, the Chair Milt Boyd would not accept his resignation (there’s no provision in the by-laws that requires that).
    At the next meeting Richard’s involvement in the campaign of lies and distortions against the endorsed Democratic candidates was brought to light, and the demand was made for his resignation to be accepted, it was, by an almost unanimous vote.

  17. OffTheRez
    November 12, 2010 at 8:31 am

    Dont be fooled again says:
    “we might as well be living in LA”? Do you suppose anyone mistakes Cresent City for LA?
    The Pelican Bay prison guards do!

  18. Ne'er-do-well
    November 12, 2010 at 8:37 am

    Hey Crawford, how’s that Chamber gig goin for ya? Any thoughts on having your members display their allegience to your wunnerful cause?

  19. empires end
    November 12, 2010 at 8:42 am

    the fall of the amurikkkan empire is the typical end of human societies out of balance with the lands that support them. since our globalized economic empire has hit the ecological wall of crashing natural systems exacerbated by the end of cheap, easy-to-access fossil fuels, we can see the inevitable conclusion: crash & collapse.

    So– dems, repugnants, repugnants dressed up to look like dems, in fact the whole bunch of status quo drones– all will fail because they are unable to perceive the changed circumstances we now face.

    Big boxes are not the greatest threat humans face (here and around the planet), it is starvation, disease and social instability ala Haiti, post-soviet Russia.

    O-yeah… the even greater threat to our national society is the fact of our populations infinite sense of entitlement and the whiny, weakness of our national fortitude. What happened to us? we have become rubes and suckers for rich people who play us for fools. Be careful what we ask for (big box on the bay), because we may get it.

  20. November 12, 2010 at 8:55 am

    Witness: It was a mob scene. You can’t deny that. Too many witnesses. Substantiate your claims of lies and distortions. Just bull. I can name many from Neely’s campaign. By me resigning the committee and the HCDCC executive board, they were able to release multi thousands of dollars to Neely and Cleary and do a mailer for LaValley, Kuhnel and Glass WITHOUT the approval of the entire committee. There was more of a reason to get me off of the HCDCC than meets the public eye.

  21. witness
    November 12, 2010 at 9:18 am

    “It was a mob scene. You can’t deny that” Yes I do. It was an angry group of democrats I’ll give you that. It was a calm moderate (Pam Cahill that made the motion to accept your resignation).
    Go celebrate your hallow victory with your Marina Center Jihadist friends. You will lose in the end.

  22. Eric Kirk
    November 12, 2010 at 9:18 am

    Yup, just keep up with the alienation of working class Dems and independents and you’ll just keep losing at the polls.

    Well, at least until Home Depot starts sucking away local jobs. Then some of the voters will feel “betrayed” by local conservatives, but it will be too late to do anything about it.

  23. tra
    November 12, 2010 at 9:22 am

    I don’t get it…If the consequences of your resignation were so dire, and the motives of those asking for your resignation were so nefarious, then why did you voluntarily resign?

    If people expressing their negative opinions about your political activities is considered “bullying” that constitutes a “mob scene” and you aren’t willing to take a little bit of heat for your beliefs and actions, well, maybe it WAS time to quit. Just don’t blame it on others as if you didn’t have any choice.

  24. Julie Timmons
    November 12, 2010 at 9:41 am

    “Witness” has provided a truthful account of that meeting. Let’s move on.

  25. November 12, 2010 at 9:46 am

    tra: I didn’t know at the time what their agenda was. But I wasn’t going to keep on showing up and having them ask for my resignation each meeting. You weren’t there. It was a “bully” session in a “mob” setting and I gave them what they wanted. What purpose would it have been for me to stay? Make them more angry? There is enough anger in this world without me causing more. Obviously.

  26. Plain Jane
    November 12, 2010 at 9:56 am

    When you offer your resignation because of righteous criticism, don’t blame others when they accept it, Marks. You bluffed and lost.

  27. Dogenpony
    November 12, 2010 at 10:08 am

    Do you suppose anyone mistakes Cresent City for LA?

    Crescent City is uglier than L.A.

  28. Mitch
    November 12, 2010 at 10:14 am

    Eric Kirk writes:

    Well, at least until Home Depot starts sucking away local jobs. Then some of the voters will feel “betrayed” by local conservatives, but it will be too late to do anything about it.

    I fear that the last national election blows away that theory. Bush destroyed the economy, sent unemployment sky high, and created a historic deficit. Obama gets blamed.

    When the pulp mill finally collapses, who gets blamed? “Tree huggers”, “regulators,” and the government. That’s after its ownership changed hands and countries several times in a variety of crooked-capital scams.

    People made money on the scams and workers were repeatedly stiffed but I don’t expect the press to investigate beyond quoting the last owner as the authority.

    Reality and facts no longer matter nearly as much as rational people still seem to think they do. What matters is what gets put on the cable and radio networks or, locally, in the papers. The best that I can hope for is people figure out they’re being consistently lied to.

  29. November 12, 2010 at 10:27 am

    Mitch et al:

    Reality and facts no longer matter nearly as much as rational people still seem to think they do. What matters is what gets put on the cable and radio networks or, locally, in the papers. The best that I can hope for is people figure out they’re being consistently lied to.

    Join the Hypocrisy Watch.

  30. Bob
    November 12, 2010 at 10:50 am

    Why are people mean to Virginia Bass. She is pretty.

  31. High Finance
    November 12, 2010 at 11:03 am

    Because liberals can be very mean Bob.

  32. Plain Jane
    November 12, 2010 at 12:02 pm

    How many tens of thousands did Arkley spend on negative attack ads targeting Neely so Bass didn’t have to?

  33. Anonymous
    November 12, 2010 at 12:16 pm

    Good point Jane. Not everyone has your cheery positive attitude. People could learn from your example.

  34. A Non A Me
    November 12, 2010 at 12:34 pm

    PJ, anyone looking at the ads for the 4th District could not rationally say that, as you claim, Arkley spent “tens of thousands of dollars” to smear Neely. Your tactic of automatically blaming Arkley is not working. Clearly Neely tried to use her “Virginia is not smart enough” message, which backfired. I think she would have been closer (5 to 10%) if she had not used that tatic.

  35. ChumBolly
    November 12, 2010 at 1:58 pm

    Yeah, just because Virginia has shown absolutely no propensity for speaking to the issues that affect the 4th district doesn’t mean she’s stupid. It means she’s lazy, incurious and she’ll be a disaster as our Supe.

    The woman makes an ass of herself in public throughout the campaign but pointing that out, well, that’s just dirty pool.

  36. Plain Jane
    November 12, 2010 at 2:11 pm

    It’s not the ads for the 4th District I’m referring to, A Non A Me, but the Arkley ads attacking Neely that have been on-going for several years now while hiding behind one of his many front groups as well as the “Yes on N” ads which attacked Neely and other candidates not 100% in his pocket.

  37. Plain Jane
    November 12, 2010 at 2:14 pm

    And if you want to be honest, you have to add in the thousands he spent to put “N” on the ballot as another front on his and the COC’s attacks on Neely. And all costs involved in the nasty Mirror as well.

  38. Anon
    November 12, 2010 at 2:26 pm

    When anonymouses use the imperial “we” to make their case, you know they’ve got delusions of grandeur.

    Yes Jane like when you said ‘you’ were in the Majority har har har…

  39. anonymous
    November 12, 2010 at 2:28 pm

    Good god when is Jane going to get a life and get over losing the election? Its disgraceful the way you go on and on and on and on and on and on **Cack**

  40. Plain Jane
    November 12, 2010 at 2:34 pm

    Synchronized leg humping? hmmmmmm

  41. MarksSucks
    November 12, 2010 at 2:37 pm

    Once again, Richard Marks has proven himself to be “the cream of the crap”.
    Now he can snuggle in the Sunshine Group’s lap and offer to lick their feet or give them hand jobs.

  42. Anonymous
    November 12, 2010 at 3:20 pm

    Bitter?

  43. November 12, 2010 at 3:34 pm

    Witness: “Marina Center Jihadist friends” And you were there at the HCDCC so I assume you are a member? Look how divisive and hateful you are. Do you sleep well? Lose the anger already. I am off the committee as a member. Celebrate!

  44. tenth street dreamer
    November 12, 2010 at 4:24 pm

    I was there that night and Richard made his own decision to leave the HCDCC, after being caught red faced with his hand in the endorsement cookie jar.

  45. November 12, 2010 at 4:30 pm

    I was emailed about the claim of the mailers for LaValle, Glass and Kuhnel not being voted on by the members. I thought it was only the e-board. I stand corrected. The members did not vote on $10,000 to Neely and Cleary. Just the e-board.

  46. A-Nony-Mouse
    November 12, 2010 at 5:37 pm

    What you’re refering to is called a ‘slate mailer’ listing all the endorsed Democrat candidates from governor on down. Why is Richard so shocked? They do it every election.

    He was a direct avenue into the campaigns for opponents of the endorsed Dems. Everything said and done by the Dem candidates he could report directly to the other camp. That alone constitutes reason for his removal from the committee. He was a very effective ‘mole’ for that other gang. Resigning was the safe thing to do. Beats the heck out of tar and feathers!

    And HiFi, I’m hurt that you left me off the list at 7:55. Maybe it was too early in the morning?

  47. tra
    November 12, 2010 at 5:37 pm

    OK, that’s about as clear as mud.

  48. tra
    November 12, 2010 at 5:40 pm

    My “clear as mud” comment was inspired by Richard’s 4:30 comment, not A-Nony-Mouse’s comment.

  49. Andrew Bird
    November 12, 2010 at 6:04 pm

    Thanks for clearing that up Richard. I don’t have time to join this conversation as I’m busy getting ready for our Moving Sale 9-3 Sat & Sun in my garage, in the alley between 6th & 7th and M & N.

  50. another anonymous
    November 12, 2010 at 6:33 pm

    As often as PJ goes on about “leg-humping”, one gets the idea she actually enjoys it.

  51. Reinventing The Wheel
    November 12, 2010 at 6:40 pm

    Maybe he will accept an honorary seat on the Republican Central Committee, work on successful campaigns against the candidates they endorse, then report back to Heraldo.

  52. High Finance
    November 13, 2010 at 9:04 am

    Poor PJ, Mouse & others. Still angry & bitter about Eureka’s elections. Still denying the obvious, the voters soundly rejected Bonnie & Larry and overwhelmingly endorsed Measure N.

    PJ, your claims that money did Bonnie in just flys in the face of the facts. Bonnie & Virginia both had about the same amount, $150-160,000. To think that another $20,000 Arkley spent on Measure N caused Bonnie’s slaughter is just ludicrous.

    And of course you are insulting the people of Eureka.

    Then Jerry Brown soundly beat Meg Whitman in Eureka, despite Whitman spending $150 million vs Jerry’s $30 million also makes your claim look silly.

    The fact is, Eureka is a center/right town.

    The faster you all fight through the classic stages of denial to get to acceptance, the faster you can go on with your lives.

  53. Plain Jane
    November 13, 2010 at 9:19 am

    HiFi, repeatedly ignoring the facts about how the money spent for Measure N (and the actual price for Measure N) was really for the Arkley slate and repeating the lie that they were economically evenly matched will never make it true, no matter how many times you say it or how condescending the delivery. If Eureka was center right then Newman would have won a plurality, and he didn’t by a long shot.

  54. High Finance
    November 13, 2010 at 9:54 am

    PJ, repeatedly ignoring the facts about how money didn’t affect other races in Eureka.

    Those other races her candidates won so she’ll just ignore those races & concentrate on her candidates that lost.

  55. Plain Jane
    November 13, 2010 at 10:02 am

    Which races are those, HiFi? The Arkley slate won across the board in the city and county elections. Measure N and local politics wasn’t a factor in district and state-wide races in which “center right” Eureka voted for Democrats.

  56. cheesedick
    November 13, 2010 at 10:45 am

    Can anyone, in one sentence, tell me why you all hate Arkley?

  57. Huh
    November 13, 2010 at 10:53 am

    Plain Jane: Arkley slate? Pierson dumps over $100,000 the last few elections but you point out Arkley slate? Which candidates have taken money from the Arkley’s? Not on record are they. So are you just misinformed? Show us the money trail that leads to an Arkley slate or just shut up!

  58. mresquan
    November 13, 2010 at 11:00 am

    “The Arkley slate won across the board in the city and county elections.”

    Them winning was the easy part for them.Now they have a much harder thing to do in actually delivering the MC to Eureka voters as they have sold it.I don’t think that will happen and it will hurt them politically as a result.A message was sent that people want to see that property developed,so voters put that more in control of who they see best at this point to do it.A lot of progressives like me have been correct in saying that Home Depot ain’t coming here,and the MC development is likely much different than what has been sold to the public.Voters in Eureka did not necessarily vote against the progressives (as Jane noted,Newman’s progressive opposition at this point have 56% of the vote in that race),but for cleanup and responsible development of the balloon tract.
    So not only is the slate responsible for the future of the MC,they are responsible for maintaining public safety,and for maintaining a balanced budget,which were effective strides made by the minority of the council.
    The Eureka city council has always been an Arkley friendly council,this election didn’t necessarily bring about anything new.Kerrigan was a lone wolf throughout the most of his term,and despite that the council majority has failed to deliver the MC,and effectively delivered an array of excuses as to why it hasn’t happened.I expect that to continue,and to see voters who checked yes on N on their ballot to be largely disgruntled as the process unfolds.

  59. Harold h. Greene
    November 13, 2010 at 11:02 am

    Can Mr. Arkley tell us why one more big box store development in downtown Eureka is so completely important?

  60. Plain Jane
    November 13, 2010 at 11:26 am

    The Arkley slate = the candidates whose sole platform was the Marina Center.

  61. Reinventing The Wheel
    November 13, 2010 at 1:52 pm

    The state-wide democratic candidates saturated local TV. Brown’s $38 million made him a serious contender, the fact that his opponent outspent him over 4-to-1, and still lost, is merely an exception to the rule.

    We’re still waiting for our resident “economist” demagogue to explain the Newman vote.

    Can’t trust your own?

  62. High Finance
    November 13, 2010 at 2:03 pm

    Kuhnel was a better candidate than Glass or Bonnie were. People liked him while many disliked Larry & Bonnie.

    Mike Newman was not as good a candidate as Bass or Brady were.

    Therefore his margin of victory was less. But he still won. Get over it.

  63. Plain Jane
    November 13, 2010 at 2:12 pm

    Bass and Brady were “good candidates” irrespective of their complete lack of preparedness for the campaign or govern. Even the T-S noted that Bass hadn’t made an attempt to acquaint herself with the issues. It’s obvious to anyone with a brain that they don’t need to do the homework because they will be told how to vote. New-man just wasn’t as cute as Hooked on Bass or the Brady Bunch and his signs weren’t as visible. It’s hilarious that HiFi thinks the election of all those Democrats means Eureka is a center right town.

  64. High Finance
    November 13, 2010 at 3:40 pm

    You have really blinded yourself to the truth.

  65. Reinventing The Wheel
    November 14, 2010 at 12:49 pm

    “THE TRUTH”? You can’t take the truth!

    The other half of the potential electorate aren’t even registered or they abstained. It’s a corrupt, rigged system: One rule with few exceptions…money wins. That socialist bastion Australia fines citizens $50 if they fail to vote, it’s rightly seen as a minimum responsibility…like registering your gun or insuring your car! Little wonder they enjoy a universal health care system.

    Hi-Hypocrisy Strikes Again:

    High Finance says:
    November 12, 2010 at 11:03 am

    “Because liberals can be very mean Bob”.

    High Finance says:
    November 8, 2010 at 8:20 am (From: 13,000 Votes Still To Be Counted).

    “…most people in Eureka are stupid sheep who fell for a lot of advertising paid by big money…”

    (No one but HiFi EVER typed such words!).

    “…you are angry, hurt & a little scared”

    “It must suck to be so bitter”.

    This nut is one mean manipulator; you have to be when you’re generally dead-wrong.

  66. Mr. Brown
    November 14, 2010 at 6:33 pm

    Move on, there is noting to look at here.

  67. Anonymous
    November 14, 2010 at 7:59 pm

    I think HiFi is right most of the time.

  68. High Finance
    November 15, 2010 at 8:33 am

    Be gentle on Reinventing.

    His brand of politics has been repudiated by the Eureka voters & he is hurting.

  69. Reinventing The Wheel
    November 15, 2010 at 1:17 pm

    Eureka’s progressive community was dealt a setback that could easily have gone the other way given matched-funds and a better turnout.

    The obvious “pain” is in silly hypocrites desperate to paint a city with: “conservative majority”, when half are either unregistered or abstained!

    After months of linking Kuhnel to those “over-the-top, left wing, progy’s”, SUDDENLY HiFi SWALLOWED HARD and claimed “people liked Kuhnel”… in order to maintain his lie.

    Another hilarious political analysis by the “Hi-Mythmaker”.

  70. Anonymous
    November 15, 2010 at 1:27 pm

    My, you do reinvent the wheel. Over and over. Same old spin on why you think the left lost the election.

  71. High Finance
    November 15, 2010 at 9:42 pm

    Reinvent is not only hurting he is stupid.

    Ron’s politics were repudiated. That does not mean people disliked him the way they disliked Larry Glass.

    And Bill Pierson gave the lefties many thousands of dollars after the final reporting period cut off.

  72. Percival Ne'er-do-well Esquire III
    November 16, 2010 at 5:29 am

    GFY HiBall, you stupid MF

  73. Reinventing The Wheel
    November 16, 2010 at 11:46 am

    It’s so painful for mere provocateurs to make outlandish claims without evidence that the pain is all they have left to share in personal insults.

    Sad.

    1) Those who oppose the development community’s candidates are always outspent and always lose…with a few exceptions. It’s like this all over the world, try getting out once in awhile. It takes courage for anyone to stand against them, especially one of Mr. Pierson’s stature.

    2) Half of the eligible voters are either unregistered or abstained, a national disgrace. Thus, trying to claim Eureka is a conservative majority isn’t just stupid, it’s outrageous.

    3)Once again, local media spins a 38% abstention rate as a positive “milestone”! Back on earth, the real MILESTONE was John Osborn’s recent NCJ article outing the local development community’s political dominance for the first time since I moved here in the 70’s.

    4) A return to Ron Kuhnel’s platform reveals little for a “conservative” to repudiate. Conservative is in quotes because the development community’s plans to saturate Eureka in even more low-wage jobs and the homes they can’t afford is nothing short of RADICAL.

  74. High Finance
    November 16, 2010 at 12:10 pm

    You know & I know that Ron opposed the MC even though he refused to say so during the debates.

    Ron also is quoted as saying that corporate personhood “threatens the existence of the planet”.

    Your accusations about money always wins has been debunked here many times. Meg Whitman lost, Johanna Rhodoni lost and so did Cheri Arkley & all her money when she ran for Mayor.

    And when the final campaign tallies are made public, you’ll find that Kuhnel/Glass & Vallee got a lot of money at the end by Bill Pierson.

  75. "JG"
    November 16, 2010 at 2:30 pm

    Larry was voted out cuz he was a real ass and made people feel unwelcomed at the meetings. Mr. Glass is not a statesman he is a jerk who should never been elected to represent Eureka. The voters get it.

  76. Reinventing The Wheel
    November 16, 2010 at 2:40 pm

    “Claiming” is truly your M.O.

    “Debunked”?

    Back on Earth, John Osborn’s investigation was the FIRST of its kind and hasn’t been debunked.

    Since 1975, please name the Eureka city council candidates who won without the support of the development community.

    I can only think of five, but you must know of many, many more, since money has nothing to do with it, should be easy, right?

    Was your “conservative majority” not aware of your quotes above? Now YOU are the one saying they were “uninformed”?? (I think you used the words “too stupid” to describe the liberals that voted wrong).

    Despite your silly verbal manipulations, Kuhnel, Glass and Vallee will be outspent.

  77. High Finance
    November 16, 2010 at 2:52 pm

    I also believe that the left slate for city council will have been outspent.

    However, I think the difference will be less dramatic than the earlier reports had reported.

    Since 1975? My memory doesn’t sear the council people’s names in my brain forever, I have to leave room for all my passwords & ID numbers. I will have to google & see.

  78. High Finance
    November 16, 2010 at 3:58 pm

    I had a hard time finding any names from the old days. But I can come up with seven without even trying.

    Bonnie Gool, Chris Kerrigan, Linda Atkins, Peter LaVallee, Larry Glass, Jim Gupton and Jeff Leonard were not backed by the evil (gasp!) developer community.

    You should change the name from “development community” to the “job provider community”.

  79. Percival Ne'er-do-well Esquire III
    November 16, 2010 at 4:54 pm

    Can’t wait till dinosaurs like you and your backward looking mind set blows away like the useless dust you will turn into Mr High Falutin spew master. Give it a rest asshole.

  80. Jeffro
    November 16, 2010 at 5:49 pm

    Jeff Leonard was out spent in two City Council races. He ran against Democrat Cutler-Ploss 8 years ago and was outspent $35,000 to $10,000? and then 4 years ago against Kuhnel he was outspent again and won. Bohn and Kerrigan both spent around $100,000 each in their monumental cash bonanza for Eureka City Council. Makes these “developer” driven less than $20,000 dollar campaigns seem tame.

  81. Funnygirl
    November 16, 2010 at 7:02 pm

    Might it just be that the people who work for those evil developers might just vote the way they do for the sake of their jobs? That would be the surveryors, sheet rockers, plumbers, electricians, carpenters, painters, excavation dudes, pavers, concrete workers, architects, the dudes who do the heat cals, landscapers, realtors, title company employees, bankers and credit union folks, roofers, and probably more that I can’t think of.

  82. High Finance
    November 16, 2010 at 8:50 pm

    Yer’ right Funnygirl. Also the corner grocery store owners, the lawn maintenance people, the people at the Coffee shop, the accountants, the doctors, the lawyers, the advertising people, the newspaper delivery people and the cable technicians & installers, among many other people who work for & with the job providers.

    That leaves the retired, the government employees, the indigent & the non profit people to vote for the liberal slate people.

    There is a divide in town.

    But it isn’t between the rich & middle class, it isn’t between the old & young, it isn’t between the long time residents & the newcomers. It is between the people who give to society & those who take.

  83. Percival Ne'er-do-well Esquire III
    November 16, 2010 at 9:16 pm

    Delusional thinking in a threesum, how quaint.

  84. Anonymous
    November 16, 2010 at 9:30 pm

    HiFi is a divider, not a uniter. What would Dubya say about that?

  85. A-Nony-Mouse
    November 16, 2010 at 9:51 pm

    HiFi likes Jeffy ’cause Jeffy was Arkley’s pet. “One of the ten best EIRs I ever read”. It would be hilarious if it wasn’t so sad.

  86. tra
    November 16, 2010 at 10:34 pm

    “It is between those who give to society and those who take.”

    Somehow you forgot the phrase “useless eaters.” I’m sure it was an oversight.

  87. Heidi
    November 16, 2010 at 10:54 pm

    “It is between the people who give to society & those who take.”

    God damn, I agree with Hi Fi, but I bet we have a different definitions of give and take.

  88. anon
    November 16, 2010 at 11:17 pm

    HiFi, are you really that black and white? No shades of gray in your belief system?

  89. anon
    November 16, 2010 at 11:35 pm

    I’m still enjoying that Reinventing the Wheel pointed out that HiFi said that Eureka is center right and most Eurekans are stupid sheep. By my math that means center right people are stupid sheep.

  90. anon
    November 16, 2010 at 11:46 pm

    Oh and 1 last thing HiFi,you say that liberals can be mean. What word would you use to describe the conservatives over at the mirror? Sweet? Nice? Repsectful?

  91. High Finance
    November 17, 2010 at 9:16 am

    But anon, as I pointed out, Reinvent was lying about what I said. He took something I did say out of context to make it appear the opposite of my real intention. Now you are repeating the lie.

    The Mirror is also mean. Aren’t liberals supposed to be more pure? The libs here outnumber the cons there by at least three to one.

  92. Reinventing The Wheel
    November 17, 2010 at 12:41 pm

    These are HiFi’s own words, “Most people in Eureka are stupid sheep”. If he is now claiming someone on our team uttered such nonsense, he’s still a liar!

    This person has ZERO credibility:

    It seems like just yesterday when he made claims about the Chamber’s finances without public access to them, or when he exposed his right-wing bigotry by brandishing the poor as “lazy” because they won’t starve their families working at a toxic bulb farm, or when he ignores the Great Recession to claim “The Market” is not a conspiracy…his “evidence” is to ridicule the word “conspiracy” by listing one from over a half century ago! An “economist” who ignores big box research or diversification.

    Isn’t this always the case for those who are so eager to call “others” stupid?

    Once you prove a point…he changes the point! Poor HiFi could only list 7 council members that won without the support of the development community, CLEARLY, the exceptions to the rule! (Leonard and Kerrigan actually had that financial support for one of their terms: Kerrigan his first; Leonard his second!).

    Therefore, the point MUST CHANGE, and we’re tossed outrageous apologies for one segment of the community that dominates local political representation:

    “They’re the job-creation development community”!?

    See, tyranny is OK when its supporters are deluded in believing they are benefactors.

    The irony is that this dominance is purely motivated by the biggest-profit development model of sprawl and big boxes that have negative impacts on rural economies according to virtually all local and national research. It’s not sustainable.

    Didn’t we just “learn” what happens when industries rapidly grow by focusing on the biggest, most profitable cars, homes, and medical tests?

    Thus, while a world of alternatives languish, Eureka continues to dig its GROWTH HOLE: more poverty-wage jobs and the houses they cannot afford, more rent-to-own stores, dollar stores, storage units, pawn shops, check cashing, bail-bonds and drug rehab houses in our neighborhoods.

    It will keep our kids from moving away!

    Unbelievable.

  93. Reinventing The Wheel
    November 17, 2010 at 12:49 pm

    I wonder what the other majority of non-voters would think if the “liberal media” began routine reporting on the political dominance of the development community?

  94. A-Nony-Mouse
    November 17, 2010 at 2:14 pm

    Sadly I must ask, “What Liberal Media is that?” I’m still looking.

  95. anonymous
    November 17, 2010 at 4:58 pm

    HiFi, the context of both posts does not appear to me to change the meaning of what was quoted. In one you plainly said that Eureka was center right, and in the other that most Eurekans are stupid sheep. Tell us, please, how we miscontrued either of those statements.

  96. High Finance
    November 17, 2010 at 8:56 pm

    I believe that what I said Anon, was that the left was was thinking the people of Eureka are stupid sheep for voting wherever the money for advertising told them to vote.

    That is the exact opposite of what you are saying I said.

  97. Reinventing The Wheel
    November 18, 2010 at 12:36 pm

    Got it.

    You were lying for others….

    Stick to what you know Hi-Liar:

    “Whales are fish”.

    You DEFINITELY deserve to be ignored.

  98. High Finance
    November 18, 2010 at 9:08 pm

    You cannot possibly be as dumb as you post Reinvent.

  99. Anonymous
    November 19, 2010 at 11:38 am

    Look who put the “U” in “dumb”!

    Hi-Liar needs another Hi-Ball!

    Hi-Larious

  100. High Finance
    November 19, 2010 at 12:24 pm

    Guess I was wrong.

  101. Harold h. Greene
    November 19, 2010 at 12:33 pm

    burp.

  102. Fullerton's Ass
    November 19, 2010 at 12:43 pm

    yes, your wrong and dumb!

  103. anonymous
    November 19, 2010 at 4:03 pm

    I am amazed at how many immature assholes you guys have posting here.

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