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Feds blow half million on pot-grower-as-terrorist drill

WTF?

Federal, state and local officials carrying out a counter-terrorism drill in Northern California Wednesday played out a scenario in which local marijuana growers set off bombs and took over the Shasta Dam, the nation’s second largest, to free an imprisoned comrade.

According to an account in the Redding (Calif.) Record Searchlight, the 12-hour drill was part of the U.S. Bureau of Reclamation’s Critical Infrastructure Crisis Response Exercise Program, begun in 2003.

“More than 250 people from more than 20 agencies took part,” said Sheri Harral, a spokeswoman for the Bureau of Reclamation, according to the paper.

Harral said the drill took 18 months to plan and cost the bureau alone $500,000. The other agencies covered their own costs…

In the otherwise realistic mock-terror scenario, the marijuana growers’ “red cell” set off bus and car bombs as distractions, took over the dam with three hostages, and then “threatened to flood the Sacramento River by rolling open the drum gates atop the dam,” according to the paper.

Full story at the Washington Post.

  1. November 18, 2010 at 11:42 pm

    Pot growers setting off bombs to free one of their own? Flooding the Sacramento River? For plausibility reasons alone this sounds like the worst movie script I have ever read. Did they really think that pot growers would go that far to get Tommy Chong out of jail? (he is has been out for some time now, this must have been an old scenario)

  2. Rumbustious
    November 19, 2010 at 12:46 am

    Wow! Pot growers as the new Al-Qaeda. Will wonders never cease…

  3. nobody special
    November 19, 2010 at 2:08 am

    Unbelievable. OMG… oh my word…

  4. Anonymous
    November 19, 2010 at 4:14 am

    Your reaction to this news indicates you don’t understand how deep the divide is between growers and non-growers in Humboldt County. We don’t like the crime you bring to our neighborhoods. We don’t like the fire threat. We don’t like our population shrinking because people don’t live in houses anymore. We don’t like the fear you bring when walking in nature. We don’t like you, period. It’s not a stretch for me to think up a scenario where a small group of growers become criminals committing crimes where there are victims, because you already do. We already feel like victims, and you are the aggressors.

    Blah blah blah about why you think I’m wrong. It’s how some of us feel.

  5. Dont be fooled again
    November 19, 2010 at 4:48 am

    “The whole idea that they would equate growers with terrorism is absurd and insulting,” sputtered NORML founder Keith Stroup. “This is too ignorant to take seriously. It’s hard to imagine that in this time of fiscal crisis, someone would have the nerve to propose spending money on such a ludicrous exercise. My goodness! Of all the potential violent criminals out there, the idea that they would focus on pot growers shows that this is a political game,” he said.

    Too much! So sad to think that this is only one half of one day’s budget for the Bureau of Reclamation.

  6. Walt
    November 19, 2010 at 5:55 am

    That’s the essence of this whole terrorism thing: anyone who disagrees with the government is a terrorist. But it’s just pretend. . .this time.

  7. Anonymous
    November 19, 2010 at 6:23 am

    the point was the response, not the “back story”. somebody probably came up with that to F*** with the pot growers. i doubt they plan on blowing shit up, but they are making quite a mess out of this area. in the neighborhoods and the hills alike.

  8. Anonymous
    November 19, 2010 at 7:13 am

    hmmmm, wonder if that sort of thing would actually work??

  9. Thomas Paine Jr
    November 19, 2010 at 7:45 am

    “Anonymous says:
    November 19, 2010 at 4:14 am

    Your reaction to this news indicates you don’t understand how deep the divide is between growers and non-growers in Humboldt County. We don’t like the crime you bring to our neighborhoods. We don’t like the fire threat. We don’t like our population shrinking because people don’t live in houses anymore. We don’t like the fear you bring when walking in nature. We don’t like you, period. It’s not a stretch for me to think up a scenario where a small group of growers become criminals committing crimes where there are victims, because you already do. We already feel like victims, and you are the aggressors.

    Blah blah blah about why you think I’m wrong. It’s how some of us feel.”

    I am really sorry to say this to you, but maybe it is time for you to MOVE AWAY.

  10. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    November 19, 2010 at 7:54 am

    WOW,

    Government (as well as many other folks too) always claim that the water concerns, run-off concerns, profit concerns, etc.. are the focus of MJ AND that growers and consumers are already brain dead and too stupid to think and organize such complex ordeals – surprising that MJ is used again as a cover/front. Mix in a little sea water with the oxygenated air, and before too long, both will be like sybiotic twins – a brownie and a blueie.

    Foo Foo on the Fed POPO.

    Now, it would not have anything to do with the “deep intellectualists” who KNOW that corporarte/fed fascist profit schemes don’t work as well when more people “analytically, constructively, diagnosticly”, (any other words of understanding anyone WANTS TO ADD) REALISE the frauds going on by the U.S. Government. Is this a play off the black ops from the 1980’s??? Is there a surface to air missle threat (not that I would cry to see a fed chopper go down)?

    Anonymous says:
    November 19, 2010 at 4:14 am
    Your reaction to this news indicates you don’t understand how deep the divide is between growers and non-growers in Humboldt County. We don’t like the crime you bring to our neighborhoods. We don’t like the fire threat. We don’t like our population shrinking because people don’t live in houses anymore. We don’t like the fear you bring when walking in nature. We don’t like you, period. It’s not a stretch for me to think up a scenario where a small group of growers become criminals committing crimes where there are victims, because you already do. We already feel like victims, and you are the aggressors.

    Blah blah blah about why you think I’m wrong. It’s how some of us feel.

    Response: Sure, problems exist and many in he community will come and and petition those problems as it is their right; however, let me just chew up the above comment just as an example for thoughts of “what if’s” and “what if not’s”.

    #1. The divide is more than just growers versus non-growers as that is very generalized and non-categorical in socioeconomic specificity.

    #2. Rural or urban and by what percentage ratios the further away from Humboldt Bay?

    #3. Fire threats – It is true there exists those other kinds of fire threats too that neighbors cause.

    #4. Actually, more people like the lesser populated neighborhoods – more quiet. Now, of course, when rents come down, people will rent those vacant dwellings and the noise will go back up, as well as the conflicts.

    #5. Fear while walking in nature won’t be gone if MJ all-of-a-sudden vanished. In fact, provided that people are not trespassers, I would agree that “PUBLIC ROW’S” should be free of illegal activities. Trespassers – no worry in the world since they are trespassing, obviously!

    #6. The part about not liking people, period – first bit of honesty in the above blockquote.

    #7. Feeling as a victim is warranted; yet, let’s make dog-gone sure whatever victims are A REAL VICTIM AND NOT A PROPAGANDIST FOR DIFFERENT KINDS OF PROFIT OR SOCIAL TAKINGS/DENIALS.

    With the ongoing Urban versus Rural Water War as an excuse, I expect to see more war-like warlocks side against the evolving American People.

    Jeffrey Lytle
    McKinleyville – 5th District

  11. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    November 19, 2010 at 8:04 am

    Just a side note:

    Was that Guatamalan dead guy an illegal immigrant? Seems to me the Feds allow illegals to get in on the MJ trades too, intentionally to make people think it is an all in-house problem with MJ activities.

    Look, one comes from Guatamala to be a part of MJ on top of KNEELAND – what’s the international immigration scoop of news = NADA, nothing, zilch!

    Social militarized Set-Up by FEDS – TRUTH! Now, is PREZ OBAMA STILL NOT A PUPPET LIKE PAST PREZ PUPPETS?

    JL

  12. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    November 19, 2010 at 8:13 am

    Part of Humboldt’s problems is “city slickers” who never soiled under their finger nails and don’t know rural lifestyles and acceptances. Urbanites are brainwashed losers of society, period. It is sad, but urbanites choose their poisons. Them, urbanites come to a rural area to designate it as a restricted rural zone through conditions borne from urbaite lifestyles, not rural lifestyles. Those who claim they moved back have move backed with a tainted idealism to destroy rural opportunities so that only the “social and political select” get the rural opportunities.

    Is it not hypocritical that urbanites collectively live poisoned lifestyles in concrete and steel atmospheres; then, they decide to morph a rural area into the same poisons that were previously caused in the former urban lifestyle.

    Yes, there is a domestic battle afront – rural folks versus urbanites who steal and graft from ruralites to subsidise the over-populated urban areas. California Water Rights need major over-hauls to disallow local waters to leave the area for other selfish and greedy humanoids who knowingly live in an area that is environmentally unsustainable under the conditions and effects.

    CITIES ARE POISON CENTERS FOR CONFLICTS, period.

    JL

  13. Harold h. Greene
    November 19, 2010 at 8:15 am

    regarding the idea of internationals encroaching, growing marijuana in our forests, let’s remember People come from guatamala to clean houses and make burritos at the aztec grill, too.

    illicit marijuana growing, it *is* an “in-house” thing.

  14. November 19, 2010 at 8:39 am

    When will the madness stop? Pot terrorist? Really? I thought this was a joke till I went to the article in the Redding Searchlight.

    Marijuana demonization has taken on new heights since the Obama administration took over.

    I’m so tired of these hypocrites wasting taxpayer money on their paranoid fears.

  15. Ditto
    November 19, 2010 at 8:44 am

    The ideology of the “terrorists” doesn’t matter. “Pot growers” is a less inflammatory villain than a nationality or religion since they could be from any or multiple groups. Drills like this one, just like fire drills in schools, are necessary to check preparedness. They should drill for hurricane / tornado / earthquake / tsunami disasters too since the damage is equivalent to a terrorist attack.

  16. Nor Cal inlaw
    November 19, 2010 at 8:44 am

    Remember Waco Texas. Everybody must come in line. It’s not just that you are a bunch of fornicators and own a gun or two. You are not paying into the government entitlement program (the government is entitled to your money).

  17. Ditto
    November 19, 2010 at 8:51 am

    Waco, Texas, where a heavily armed child molesting cult leader was barricaded in with brainwashed followers, including children?

  18. November 19, 2010 at 8:55 am

    And the feds took care of it by murdering them all?

  19. Big Al
    November 19, 2010 at 8:56 am

    probably picked pot growers as the make believe bad guys so people wouldn’t freak out over the idea that jihadists made it to Northern California…

  20. Harold h. Greene
    November 19, 2010 at 8:59 am

    everybody knows that using marijuana legally doesn’t hurt anybody.

    to a paranoid, racially prejudiced and ignorant public, keeping it illicit was easy for those who are dependent on the marijuana prohibition trade – growers, trimmers, dispensaries, law enforcement agencies and inane local politicos running for District Attorney on the ticket of cracking down on illegal cannabis use.

  21. Steve
    November 19, 2010 at 9:05 am

    Gotta keep fear alive. Stephen Colbert would be proud.

  22. Ditto
    November 19, 2010 at 9:09 am

    All the people weren’t murdered at Waco. Dozens were released through negotiations which were on-going until no more people, including children) were willing to leave. The final assault to end the siege was because they were worried about mass suicide / murder like what happened at Jonestown. What should they have done?

  23. Harold h. Greene
    November 19, 2010 at 9:20 am

    “What should they have done?”

    They probably should not have used the tank.

    That “siege” should not have happened. WE all know that. We also know that it was just as wrong as, say, like so many who have been wrongfully subjected to capital punishment in Texas over the last decade, or so.

  24. November 19, 2010 at 9:24 am

    The feds set the Waco compound on fire and then fired on people trying to escape. See Waco: the Rules of Engagement.

  25. Ditto
    November 19, 2010 at 9:38 am

    BS! There is no evidence that anyone was fired on as they escaped the fire and lots of evidence, including tape recordings from taps inside the compound, that the fires were set by the cultists themselves. Pretending that the siege shouldn’t have happened is crazy. What do you expect when law enforcement shows up to arrest someone and they barricade the premises and refuse to surrender?

  26. November 19, 2010 at 9:39 am

    There is video evidence that people were shot trying to escape the fire. See the documentary.

  27. tra
    November 19, 2010 at 9:47 am

    Getting back to the subject of the original post — the pot-growers-as-potential-terrorists scenario:

    I guess since the Feds have the time and resources to practice how to repond to such a vanishingly unlikely event, that must mean that they’ve already got us covered for the thousands of far more likely scenarios…right?

    Unless it was just a convenient way to slip “marijuana” and “terrorist” into the same press release? Naw, that couldn’t be it…our law enforcement agencies wouldn’t play around with something as serious as terrorism, just to score a few PR points in the War on Pot, would they?

    The next thing you know, they’ll be describing non-violent Earth First! activists as “terrorists” and accusing them of making bombs, placing them beneath their own car seats, and blowing themselves up, or something equally as ridiculous. Oh, wait a minute….

  28. Harold h. Greene
    November 19, 2010 at 9:53 am

    “Pretending that the siege shouldn’t have happened is crazy.

    Pretending that a siege was necessary killed 74 people and children.

    “What do you expect when law enforcement shows up to arrest someone and they barricade the premises and refuse to surrender?”

    The “Feds” brought in people who study religious cultists. They should have listened them, but they didn’t. They decided to storm the compound with tanks and helicopters. I suspect because of law enforcement hubris. They were wrong. You should admit that.

  29. Ditto
    November 19, 2010 at 10:17 am

    I just watched Waco: The Big Lie which was based on Waco being religious persecution by the feds and there was no mention or video of anyone being shot as they fled the burning buildings.

  30. E. Percival Ne'er-do-well Esquire III
    November 19, 2010 at 10:30 am

    Am I the only one that see’s a direct correlation between the Waco incident and the Cherrie Moore assisted suicide?

  31. E. Percival Ne'er-do-well Esquire III
    November 19, 2010 at 10:31 am

    The only thing pot growers are likely to terrorize is the local custom diesel exhaust, trick out my dually, boutique full of expensive shit for the brain dead hottie sitting on your lap shops with their 20 dollar bills.

  32. November 19, 2010 at 10:36 am

    Ditto, watch Waco: The Rules of Engagement.

  33. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    November 19, 2010 at 10:53 am

    Harold h. Greene says:
    November 19, 2010 at 8:15 am
    regarding the idea of internationals encroaching, growing marijuana in our forests, let’s remember People come from guatamala to clean houses and make burritos at the aztec grill, too.

    illicit marijuana growing, it *is* an “in-house” thing.

    Yes, and I enjoy greatly culturally positive and beneficial practicies, but just saying the borders are allowed to stay open in a manner that creates conflict for politicians to gerrymander and manipulate and deceive – those who live here legally as well as those who are moving here legally to live as a citizen and yes, even those who are allowed to *sneak* in. Pack ’em into a city, all hell breaks loose, obviuosly. Go rural, force hell in order to break loose.

    JL

  34. Harold h. Greene
    November 19, 2010 at 11:06 am

    no, just some go rural to grow illegal marijuana because marijuana dispensaries say it’s worth $3,200, but only pay ten, a pound to those who need OMG Kush to relieve fatigue.

    … or pain.

  35. tra
    November 19, 2010 at 11:17 am

    “The only thing pot growers are likely to terrorize is the local custom diesel exhaust, trick out my dually, boutique full of expensive shit for the brain dead hottie sitting on your lap shops with their 20 dollar bills.”

    Thanks for the belly-laugh! Your vivid description painted a charicature that was very easy to visualize, since there ARE quite a few yahoos around who fit that description perfectly. (Of course some of these are not pot growers, and the same goes for plenty of other parts of the country where pot growing is not a common occupation.)

  36. Future Resident
    November 19, 2010 at 12:10 pm

    The argument that one lives in fear in Humboldt County is simply a function of the “Al Capone” syndrome! The prohibition itself is the problem that attracts the low life shit that comes to the trade all over America. Not just in California. I’d worry more about the Mexican mafia that thrives on its illegality that makes profits from keeping it all underground and in the forefront of the ignorant feeble minded. To provide a ongoing window of opportunity for the criminal element among us is onto itself of uncommon sense. Further more to maintain inalienable rights of all to oppugn the lawlessness is the backbone of law and order as set fourth by our founding fathers to maintain a cohesive free society not a divided counterproductive culture some would prefer as written in the book “Common Sense” by Thomas Paine.
    A great man once said “there is nothing to fear but fear itself!” accordingly “if an enemy does not exist one shall be created!” To have such a government entity for all of our protection is fine and perhaps justified in today’s world of Muslim hatred toward the infidels but to waste perhaps a total of a billion dollars or more the public will never know how much it cost. Then to blame a bunch of pots heads that grow and many pay taxes for its production displays the measure of ignorance some in government possess.
    If so-called pots heads were of any danger especially at that level! It would have happened a long time ago in the name of freedom and inalienable rights as free fighting Americans! It would have happened for much more that some guy in jail! Equating these two together shows how much college education (if any) has gone to waste in our men and women that can’t find work doing something productive for America and instead end up as bullies in the name of good for America displaying the inability to govern productively instead of stupidly!

  37. tom
    November 19, 2010 at 5:52 pm

    maybe they will launch an all out war and people can get some decent price supports. where is nancy reagan when she is needed?

  38. Mr. Nice
    November 19, 2010 at 6:37 pm

    If they blasted Shasta Dam, how the fuck would they grow weed? Why not just block the sun to break their boy out?

  39. Goldie
    November 19, 2010 at 7:14 pm

    Mr Nice is the voice of resin.

  40. Nor Cal inlaw
    November 19, 2010 at 8:16 pm

    Interesting……. in light of Congressman Mike Thompson’s recent comments. http://www.redwoodtimes.com/ci_16523581?source=most_viewed

    “In answer to a related question, Thompson declared that the U.S. should bring its troops in Afghanistan home to fight terrorism in the U.S.”

  41. Nor Cal inlaw
    November 19, 2010 at 8:33 pm

    Just saying…….

    U.S. Military To Assault U.S. Citizens: 1878 Posse Comitatus Act Destroyed

    In yet another astonishingly treasonous act the U.S. administration has eliminated yet another key check to control out of control government, the 1878 Posse Comitatus Act. The Posse Comitatus Act abolished the use of the U.S. military against our own citizens and eliminated the ability of the U.S. government to eliminate the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights by declaring Martial Law.

    In early 2006 Congress passed bill H.R.5122 granting the President the right to commandeer Federal and State National Guard Troops for use against citizens. The bill is entitled the John Warner Defense Appropriation Act for Fiscal Year 2007

    Section 1076 of H.R. 5122.ENR allows the President to:
    “…employ the armed forces, including the National Guard in Federal service, to… restore public order and enforce the laws of the United States when, as a result of a natural disaster, epidemic, or other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack or incident, or other condition in any State or possession of the United States…, where the President determines that,…domestic violence has occurred to such an extent that the constituted authorities of the State or possession are incapable of maintaining public order; suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy…”

    This act attempts to nullify the Posse Comitatus Act and the Insurrection Act (10 U.S.C. 331-335) and gives the President the legal ability to declare Martial Law under any condition he so chooses.

  42. Anonymoose
    November 20, 2010 at 8:29 am

    Shit like this does encourage a social divide, and if that divide were to turn into class warfare then it isn’t “terrorism” to respond in defense of the constitution, and our lives, with “violence”.

  43. Anonymous
    November 20, 2010 at 8:34 am

    The divide already exists and will unless the grownups surrender to the paranoid left.

  44. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    November 20, 2010 at 8:50 am

    TERRORISM : INTERESTING HOW THE FEDS AND STATE AND LOCAL ELECTED OFFICIALS TRY THEIR DARNDEST TO APPLY ANY ADVERSE CRITICISMS IN HEAVILY DEBATEABLE POLITICAL ISSUES AS TERRORISM RELATED.

    The U.S. Govt. and its subordinating States and local stoolies have already declared war on it’s citizens by accepting tax dollars for military operations within its own terrortories (notice spelling), yet outside of military bases.

    This country is becoming one fracked ideal gone wrong.

    JL

  45. Snaggletooth
    November 20, 2010 at 9:03 am

    The “Red Cell”?!… those commie pinkos are back! … we barely survived the Red scare in the fifties when “Them” almost took over “US” an’ our country. Was that because they hated us for our freedom, I can’t remember?
    Anyway stay vigilant citizens, that grower living next to you might be putting together toner cartridges to blow up a dam… we’ve gotta keep an Eye on this…hopefully the FIB has infiltrated all the local Kinkos and is keeping a close watch for pinkos.

    Please if anyone sees a convoy of dirty Toyota 4-Runners (I read on Heraldos that this is the terrorist choice of vehicles)ooaded up with computer printers (this is how they hide their explosives)and headed east… uh… tell Heraldo, and Kevin, and Hank, and Eric, and Ernie… the Feds have gone back home and we are all along with the “Growers!”.

  46. cheesedick
    November 20, 2010 at 11:36 am

    There is only love and fear. The feds do not love us.

  47. Scared & Afraid
    November 20, 2010 at 2:25 pm

    Hey, any of you guys know where I can buy a good tin foil hat? I think I need one after listening to you all.

  48. Big Al
    November 20, 2010 at 3:11 pm

    http://zapatopi.net/afdb/
    protects against chem trails too!

  49. Anonymous
    November 20, 2010 at 6:11 pm

    ok I am officially in love with big al

  50. Nor Cal inlaw
    November 20, 2010 at 7:31 pm

    “They have computers, and they may have other weapons of mass destruction.” – Janet Reno

  51. Bolithio
    November 22, 2010 at 12:52 pm

    Urbanites are brainwashed losers of society, period.

    Hench, wtf? You sound very ignorant ranting about people who live in cities. Urban environments are hot spots for culture, art, and all kinds of things lacking from rural places. Its not better or worse, but to blame our perceived problems on people from cities is ridiculous.

  52. Anonymous
    November 22, 2010 at 1:10 pm

    I wonder how much we will have to pay Garr when he is fired? The plan is already in the works. Garr is a political hack and I will not be sorry to see him go because of the damage he has done to the Department.

  53. November 22, 2010 at 1:46 pm

    Damage from stopping the killing spree by EPD?

    Please, no blogging while sitting on Tyson’s lap.

  54. Harold h. Greene
    November 22, 2010 at 2:06 pm

    “Garr is a political hack and I will not be sorry to see him go because of the damage he has done to the Department.”

    I don’t understand why people don’t like the current EDP chief.

    The one we had there before, Hrpham, overwhelmed with the politics of the position but blamed it on Eureka (“it’s a hell hole”)such as he did was not impressive at all, though he was a bit pathetic. Mr. Nielsen, on the other hand, is competent and responsive.

  55. Goldie
    November 22, 2010 at 2:08 pm

    The plans to fire Gar must be from a meth house. Gar is the best thing that has happened to this neighborhood. Police cars an be seen on patrol constantly. The department responds to calls and concerns.

  56. Not A Native
    November 22, 2010 at 2:39 pm

    Recent study on the long-term effects of using pot, focusing on adolescent users. I’m no scientist but the findings seem to be ‘pot makes people stupid’. Another expensive study for something thats already known.

    Not that it matters, but the author of the study is a lesbian, so I’m assuming she’s not an arch political conservative.

    “The findings showed habitual marijuana users made repeated errors even when told that they were wrong. Users also had more trouble maintaining a set of rules, suggesting an inability to maintain focus. Early-onset users and those who used the most marijuana had the most trouble with the test, making more than twice as many errors and fewer correct responses than later-onset smokers.”

  57. Truth in information
    November 22, 2010 at 2:50 pm

    Sometimes it is hard to get the double talk on the police Chief. My neighborhood is much, much better than a couple of years ago. His officers are doing their job around here, that is for sure. The POP have busted some dope houses close by and the illegal activity and trouble makers are gone. What a relief for the older folks that live here. The Chief is doing a great job and has not caused a problem at EPD. From the story in the Times Standard last week, it was a bunch of malcontents that didn’t like the changes. I thinks it was the good ole boys and girls that didn’t want to clean up their act. It cost $200,000 to find that out but we now know who did what to whom. Meanwhile the Chief was just doing his job.

  58. Mr. Nice
    November 22, 2010 at 6:12 pm

    I’m no scientist but the findings seem to be ‘pot makes people stupid’. Another expensive study for something thats already known.

    That study is hella bootsie.

    Im a summarize this for ya.

    Alright I got a bunch of 20 something kids filling out my survey like “do you smoke weed?” “how much?” “when did you start?” “how many lifetime joints?”

    I take the ones who smoked at 9 and admittedly smoke every goddamn day having burned 3,000 fucking joints in their life… I invite them to come play a computerized card game with rules that I’ll explain later.

    Now, unless I hold these kids hostage for 8 hours before they took the test, every last one of them will be mad blazed before, during, and probably after the test. Now I test some stoned folks on a new card game… result being kids 15 and under probably shouldn’t smoke weed.

  59. Bolithio
    November 22, 2010 at 7:09 pm

    As with all drugs, it depends on the person, the brain chemistry. I new a girl who majored in math, and would smoke a huge joint – by herself – before most math classes. She maintained a solid 4.0 all through college.

    Met plenty of stoner dufus’s too, but is it the weed?

  60. Harold h. Greene
    November 22, 2010 at 7:11 pm

    well, most people already know that a stoned thirteen year old should be talked to. When my dad caught me smoking marijuana, he told that if I keep doing that my breast are going to grow like a woman’s.

    experts also say that over exposure to too much television at too early an age makes our kids stupid, too.

  61. Bolithio
    November 22, 2010 at 7:20 pm

    They should also try a test that utilizes different parts of the brain. I bet creative and visual/audio tests favor the pot head.

  62. Anonymous
    November 22, 2010 at 8:12 pm

    Garr Nielsen and the POP made the long arm of the law accessible to the people being victimized. It took me 1 week to shut down a meth lab, 3 days to slam the doors closed on a dope house, and 1 week to move out miscreant transient car burglars living in a camper; and that is with the reductions our police force has suffered! I have lived in this neighborhood for years and the dope dealers, prostitutes and thieves used to rule with disregard. Thank you Garr Nielsen and the Officers of the POP I actually walk my dog at night now, your efforts have improved the quality of my life.

  63. Anonymous
    November 22, 2010 at 9:04 pm

    Pot smoking makes people unmotivated. Show me someone who smokes it every day and I’ll show you a person who had potential to do something in life they are not able to achieve now.

  64. Mr. Nice
    November 22, 2010 at 9:24 pm

    Pot smoking makes people unmotivated. Show me someone who smokes it every day and I’ll show you a person who had potential to do something in life they are not able to achieve now.

    It’s not real deep drive to repeat some debunked bullshit cooked up in the 70s by using some no-style cliché you show me this, I’ll show you that shit.

    What’s up with all these folks who all they got to say for living up to their potential is they live in Humboldt but don’t smoke weed? That’s having some pretend leg up on folks. Achieve some actual shit and then get back to us on how we shoulda done like you.

  65. High Finance
    November 22, 2010 at 9:31 pm

    Next time don’t toke up on the shit before posting. You make more sense when you’re sober Mr Nice.

    9.04pm has it exactly right. Regular pot use ruins the motivation for heavy users.

  66. Anonymous
    November 22, 2010 at 10:14 pm

    Anonymous says:
    November 22, 2010 at 9:04 pm
    Pot smoking makes people unmotivated. Show me someone who smokes it every day and I’ll show you a person who had potential to do something in life they are not able to achieve now.

    Response: You enlightened me – now, show me someone who has never smoked weed and I can show you many people who had potential to do something in life they are not able to achieve now because they have to much faith in those who dictate through power and control.

    In fact, were all those stupid former foreclosed upon homeowners weed smokers; or, just greedy wannabe elite types who think money is everything but don’t know what its value is, or not?

    JL

  67. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    November 22, 2010 at 10:15 pm

    Me above,

    JL

  68. CheckYourMyopiaAtTheDoor
    November 22, 2010 at 10:44 pm

    HiFinance-a legend in his own slime.

    The absolute cream of the craptocracy.

  69. Harold h. Greene
    November 22, 2010 at 11:05 pm

    “Pot smoking makes people unmotivated.”

    tv watchers are usually wanton and over weight !

  70. Jacqbear
    November 23, 2010 at 12:21 am

    Be aware, people. Perhaps the war on drugs is going literal. All kinds of folks could fit the description of “terrorist” and this is one example. Certainly growers are at least outlaws and the demagoguery of government bureaucracy enhanced by the Patriot Act can easily make the leap from “outlaw” to “terrorist”.

    Watch your backs people; this could get ugly under the cover of what now seems goofy.

  71. Anonymous
    November 23, 2010 at 7:51 am

    Mr. Nice, I did achieve, I do make a living in Humboldt County, and I never said I don’t ever smoke pot, or don’t condone its occasional use. I think those who use any drug every day don’t live up to their potential. Pot’s problem is that it demotivates. Other drugs have other problems.

  72. Harold h. Greene
    November 23, 2010 at 8:15 am

    “Pot’s problem is that it demotivates. Other drugs have other problems.”

    corn syrup and cartoons are gateway drugs; and commercials selling barbie dolls is the key hole.

    If you listen to the right people, smoking marijuana will make your breasts grow like a women’s.

  73. Bolithio
    November 23, 2010 at 8:46 am

    Again people – depends on the brain. Do all people black out when they’re drunk and get in fights? Do all people who smoke weed act like Herald and Kumar? No. You know what demotivates people? Depression. Weed may magnify that, but its not just the weed.

  74. Anonymous
    November 23, 2010 at 9:04 am

    Keep your head in the sand. I think a clear mind means a clearer life.

  75. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    November 23, 2010 at 9:10 am

    “Pot smoking makes people unmotivated.”

    Response: Where do the growers come from? Even Guatamala has motivated illegals who want to travel long and far distances for pot smokers. If that is not motivating……

    JL

  76. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    November 23, 2010 at 9:17 am

    Motivation = what type and for whose benefit? The motivator or the motivatee? Anyhow, it would be good to get an explanation of how a mind is always “clear” in a practical reality for anyone who uses no drugs
    but is caught-up in the normalcies and weirdnesses of life’s gifts and displeasures and abuses. So many turbulant roller coaster ups and downs that it seems awefully impossible to have a clear mind whenever a person wants it to be clear – too many outside forces that dictate one’s life, adverse or not.

    JL

  77. Anonymous
    November 23, 2010 at 11:18 am

    It takes a clear mind to make what happen that you want with your life. When I say motivation I mean keeping your dream for yourself alive and striving to make it happen.

  78. Harold h. Greene
    November 23, 2010 at 1:07 pm

    “When I say motivation I mean keeping your dream for yourself alive and striving to make it happen.”

    Yes, it is true that the most effective ways to deal with substance abuse is one individual at a time.

    And one of the many advantages of seeing marijuana use for what it is, is in seeing more effective ways of addressing substance abuse as acknowledged social phenomena where medical models of treatment replace that of law enforcement models.

  79. Anonymous
    November 23, 2010 at 2:05 pm

    Yeah whatever. I think what it does to people who smoke it all the time sucks. Other than that, it can be very fun!

  80. Anonymous
    November 23, 2010 at 2:31 pm

    i been smoking it for years an it ain’t done me no harm

  81. Harold h. Greene
    November 23, 2010 at 2:46 pm

    “Yeah whatever. I think what it does to people who smoke it all the time sucks. Other than that, it can be very fun!”

    prop. 19 supporter.

  82. tra
    November 23, 2010 at 6:57 pm

    “Pot’s problem is that it demotivates. Other drugs have other problems.”

    Is there a drug that causes sweeping generalizations? If so, you might want to ease up on your dosage.

  83. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    November 23, 2010 at 7:11 pm

    Anonymous says:
    November 23, 2010 at 11:18 am
    It takes a clear mind to make what happen that you want with your life. When I say motivation I mean keeping your dream for yourself alive and striving to make it happen.

    Response: Fair, but please keep in mind the many human beings whose dreams are bing obstructed, denied, manipulated, etc… You realise obviously the non-natural abuses in life.

    JL

  84. Mr. Nice
    November 23, 2010 at 8:42 pm

    Mr. Nice, I did achieve, I do make a living in Humboldt County, and I never said I don’t ever smoke pot, or don’t condone its occasional use. I think those who use any drug every day don’t live up to their potential. Pot’s problem is that it demotivates. Other drugs have other problems.

    There is no link between chronic pot use and change in motivation. That’s some mental magic trick to say pot causes “amotivational syndrome.” Everybody knows that is bullshit now so you might want to let that legend go. It’s gotta be a combo of folks’ own depression, stupidity, and polydrug fucked up shit that demotivates.

    I’ve never known anybody who smokes just weed that got this lazy pothead syndrome that don’t also do tobacco, alcohol, shrooms, peyote, ghb, mdma, lsd, leak, ludes, speed, crack, glue, gas, opiates, and downers in some kinna combination.

  85. Brattle
    November 23, 2010 at 9:00 pm

    Maybe someone can explain this.

    The Post says, “In the otherwise realistic mock-terror scenario, the marijuana growers “red cell” set off bus and car bombs as distractions, took over the dam with three hostages, and then “threatened to flood the Sacramento River by rolling open the drum gates atop the dam.”

    But the Post doesn’t describe those parts of the scenario it claims are “otherwise realistic.”

    And I guess it accepts as “realistic” (since it just blandly notes) reported warnings from something called the federal High Intensity Drug Trafficking Areas program, about a recent change from “pot users merely growing their stash” to a “marijuana war.”

  86. Anonymous
    November 23, 2010 at 10:25 pm

    Life experience, Mr. Nice. I have seen this scenario over and over, so many dreams lost.

  87. High Finance
    November 23, 2010 at 10:29 pm

    So what is the federal government to do Brattle? Just sit back & not plan for nor practice for real life emergencies?

    Regardless of who does it, somebody setting off bus & car bombs as distractions to take over a tempting target such as a dam is something that could happen in the real world.

    But it is not PC to call the attackers Islamic terrorists so they have to come up with some other practice group. If they had called them Islamic terrorists your ilk would be screaming “racism” instead.

  88. CheckYourMyopiaAtTheDoor
    November 24, 2010 at 1:12 am

    @10:29 HiFinance wrote:

    “If they had called them Islamic terrorists your ilk would be screaming “racism” instead.”

    Islam is a religion not a race, you ignorant inbred shitstain.

  89. Walt
    November 24, 2010 at 6:05 am

    And when McVeigh and Nichols took out the Murrah Building in Oklahoma City in 1995, killing 168 people, including 19 children, did the government have drills for that, too? Did they require body scans of people renting trucks or enhanced patdowns for people buying fertilizer? No, because McVeigh and Nichols were “our people”. THAT’S racism. We don’t “celebrate” April 19 either.

  90. Anonymous
    November 24, 2010 at 7:09 am

    there were no attempts after that, no organization declared war on us, no beheadings of journalists, etc. get real walt. mcveigh was a one shot deal. man you guys are stupid.

  91. CheckYourMyopiaAtTheDoor
    November 24, 2010 at 7:41 am

    @ 7:09.
    you exhibit the intellectual capacity and awareness of shower fungus.

    homegrown acts of terrorism in this country have been ongoing since the jim crow laws.
    in 1996 jesse helms strutted his ignorant white trash ass around after the mid-terms stating to reporters there were plenty of military bases president clinton shouldn’t land in as his safety couldn’t be guaranteed.

    an entire national guard battalion out of stockton had to be lifted from iraq for running extortion rackets in occupied cities.once it was brought stateside, some members were drummed out and ran right over to blackwater which changed it’s name and opened it’s training facility in:stockton, califonia.

    there have been undercover busts in seattle, los angeles,chicago,michigan state, folrida, and oklahoma involving street gangs and militias buying automatic weapons from more of those “uber patriots” like nichols and mcveigh.
    the amtrak derailment in arizona has never been solved but all evidence still points to “patriot” militias.
    for the most part, the united states military apparatus and the banksters have become a state sponosored terrorists on a global scale.PFC bradley manning and sgt tawata (sp) have clearly shown that.

    7:09, it’s really charming that you’ve mastered some pollysyllabic words like “stupid”.
    now you’ll know some trigger words for getting yourself on social security for brain damage, you palmwad.

    if you have insurance coverage or can otherwise afford to have surgicak correction for that severe case of rectal-cranial inversion you can proceed to find your t.v. remote and change the channel from “fux”/”pox” news channel, limbaugh the rest.

  92. Myopia sucks
    November 24, 2010 at 8:27 am

    What an asswipe. Debate without insults you lousy little *&^5%$. :-(

  93. Harold h. Greene
    November 24, 2010 at 8:44 am

    “Life experience, Mr. Nice. I have seen this scenario over and over, so many dreams lost.”

    This your brain … this your brain on drugs. Bacon on the side, please.

  94. Anonymous
    November 24, 2010 at 9:09 am

    Good luck with your so-called unrealistic life.

  95. Harold h. Greene
    November 24, 2010 at 9:24 am

    I actually wonder how many middle class families were created and is sustained by our American War on Drugs.

    there are studies that show the negative economic impacts the war has had. But we don’t have the studies showing the positive economic sides to funding things like marijuna and hemp prohibition activities.

  96. Mr. Nice
    November 24, 2010 at 11:34 am

    HiFi makes an excellent point. If they were to say what they really mean – an exercise in case a domestic Al-Qaeda cell is about to blow up a dam – people would panic and call it racist. Something stupid like pot growers blowing up a dam doesn’t make the public afraid as everybody knows that is unlikely.

  97. High Finance
    November 24, 2010 at 1:00 pm

    Agreeing with me on anything here will get you in trouble Mr Nice.

  98. CheckYourMyopiaAtTheDoor
    November 24, 2010 at 1:57 pm

    Anonymous says:
    November 24, 2010 at 7:09 am
    there were no attempts after that, no organization declared war on us, no beheadings of journalists, etc. get real walt. mcveigh was a one shot deal. man you guys are stupid.

    Myopia sucks says:
    November 24, 2010 at 8:27 am
    What an asswipe. Debate without insults you lousy little *&^5%$. :-(

    just following your lead, chickendick.

  99. Anonymoose
    November 24, 2010 at 5:51 pm

    This story just made Keith Olberman’s Worst Person In The World bit on tonight’s show. It was the first place finisher!

  100. November 25, 2010 at 9:39 am

    Eric posted the video.

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