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Eureka to pay $100,000 to settle Hansen lawsuit

The Times-Standard reports that the City of Eureka is on the hook for half of the $200,000 settlement in the lawsuit brought by former EPD dispatcher Tawnie Hansen.  Hansen alleged — and apparently proved — that she was the victim of vicious harassment by her co-workers while the city conducted a watered down investigation that failed to stop the harassment.

The City Council never agreed to the settlement because its insurance carrier, the Redwood Empire Municipal Insurance Fund (REMIF), “has ‘full authority’ to control settlements under its coverage agreement with the city.”

Oddly, city manager Dave Tyson, who was named in the suit for his role in the harassment, was part of the city’s litigation team, though he is unsure if he was an “official member.”  One might guess he was officially in charge of sitting on the settlement agreement these long weeks, however.

The city released a statement announcing the settlement yesterday, despite the lawsuit’s resolution at the end of October.

The Humboldt Herald announced news of a $200,000 check from REMIF to Hansen on November 7.

  1. sam crow
    November 19, 2010 at 9:34 am

    Tyson’s behavior in all of this is unethical, unprofessional and possibly illegal. He should be investigated by the state of California just like they did the City of Bell. He believes he is untouchable now that his candidates all won for City Council and Mayor.
    Well Citizens of Eureka his he?

  2. Anonymous
    November 19, 2010 at 10:04 am

    He his not!

  3. Pitchfork
    November 19, 2010 at 10:14 am

    This whole sad saga has cost the City (tax payers) at least one half million. I think Tyson should have to make restitution to the City.

  4. Harold h. Greene
    November 19, 2010 at 10:19 am

    in another world, as an employee, let’s say. if he cost home depot that amount, where would he be right now?

  5. E. Percival Ne'er-do-well Esquire III
    November 19, 2010 at 10:40 am

    If Tyson can get away with this he will be much sought after by the right as a candidate for higher office.

  6. Sam Spade
    November 19, 2010 at 11:11 am

    “Feds blow half million on pot-grower-as-terrorist drill” and “Eureka to pay $100,000 to settle Hansen lawsuit”.
    HappyHank and his buddy CheezWhiz are right, I need to lighten up. It isn’t like we keep electing idiots over and over again (sigh) DuhMockracy Rocks!! (No, I have nothing against Democracy, just how dumb the results make us look, We’re not dumb, are we?)

  7. Outsider
    November 19, 2010 at 11:29 am

    It would be great to compose a readers digest version of this whole ridiculous mess including Dee Dee’s involvement, the fact that Tyson actually facilitated her getting another job elsewhere, the trips to the East Coast, and whatever else I’ve forgotten. If it was all in one place, it would seem impossible he is still employable with the City.

  8. Goldie
    November 19, 2010 at 11:29 am

    Can we wiki up a complete list of the cost to the city regarding the mishandling of this grievance?

  9. November 19, 2010 at 11:50 am

    Having recently concluded a legal action that involved an insurance company, the fact that REMIF was willing to cough up that amount of money instead of going to trial suggests that they knew there was a good chance of losing. In which case, who knows how much they would been out. They weren’t going to defend the indefensible.

    I think the dollar amount speaks volumes about what went on in the City of Eureka. And it ain’t gonna get any better any time soon. Wonder what the next one will cost the taxpayers.

  10. Anonymous
    November 19, 2010 at 12:02 pm

    All of our resident right-wing hypocrites must have slithered back under their rocks.

  11. Anonymous
    November 19, 2010 at 12:17 pm

    What does this have to do with “right wing” ?

  12. November 19, 2010 at 12:22 pm

    Perhaps it has to do with right-wing support of Tyson and its beef with Police Chief Garr Nielsen who they hoped to bring down in this failed scandal that blew up in the city’s face.

  13. Eureka Taxpayer
    November 19, 2010 at 12:39 pm

    Here is a conservative rough estimate of the cost to the taxers of just THIS PART of this little oopsy.

    40 hours of staff time at fully loaded rate
    6 team members 6 hours of meetings fully loaded rate (base rate, cheapest staff)
    20 hours of admin
    20 hours of legal
    40 hours of Dave
    100,000 out of city coffers
    = over $120,000 like I said way way way conservative
    = 24,000,000 that is 24 million in sales tax revenue from Measure O which was supposed to restore public safety reductions, remember the signs, remember what we voted for?
    That is the first 1300 new and used cars sold in the city of Eureka. How long do you think is takes to sell 1300 new and used cars in Eureka? All measure O sales tax from all those car sales every single car sale for HALF the time period until measure O sunsets will go to pay for this little oopsy instead of restoring public safety.
    Are you really Taxed Enough Already? Really? Keep up business as usual and this is what you’ll get.

  14. nobody special
    November 19, 2010 at 12:40 pm

    Glad the news is finally out for all to see. Readers heard it first, here, on November 7. Thanks, Heraldo.

  15. Eurekan
    November 19, 2010 at 12:45 pm

    Now I wonder, are the Five Stooges (Brady, Newman, Jager, Madsen, and Jager’s mini-me) still going to (as rumored) beg Tyson to reverse his course and stay on as City Manager? I mean, he’s done such a stellar job, right?

    Don’t be surprised if they do. And then, count on Hi Fi to furiously justify it!

  16. Eureka Taxpayer
    November 19, 2010 at 12:57 pm

    If Pitchfork is right that is 100,000,000 in sales tax revenue from measure O how many police and fire will a half a mil carry. do you realize we just passed a tax increase to pay for Dave Tyson’s indiscretions and city halls attempt to cover it up. DO ANY OF YOU REALLY REALIZE THAT??? ARE YOU ALL SICK YET??? BEND OVER BABY THERE’S MORE TO COME.

  17. Decline to State
    November 19, 2010 at 1:16 pm

    Not only was Tyson part of the city’s litigation team he’s apparently also going to be signing the check to pay the $100,000 the city owes without going through the Eureka City Council. In the TS article he came across as being quite smug about this.

    I see no reason why we should be paying for Tyson’s transgressions. He’s the one who should be paying!

  18. Goldie
    November 19, 2010 at 1:31 pm

    The now famous massively expansive Global Investigation was over $100,000.

  19. Joel Mielke
    November 19, 2010 at 1:43 pm

    Great. Now instead of a 4.2 million dollar deficit, it’ll be 4.3 million.

  20. November 19, 2010 at 2:25 pm

    Yeah, pretty soon it will be real money.

  21. OffTheRez
    November 19, 2010 at 3:19 pm

    goldie it’s is more like $280,000 for the gobal cover-up. Cover-up was what it was too.

  22. anon1
    November 19, 2010 at 3:57 pm

    Cant someone do something about this..

  23. anonymous
    November 19, 2010 at 4:02 pm

    Those numbers are as phoney as a three dollar bill

  24. Mitch
    November 19, 2010 at 4:45 pm


    You ask, “Can’t someone do something about this?”

    The answer is, “yes.”

    You can bring this to the attention of out-of-town press.

    You can contact everyone on your incoming city council and ask what their position is on this incident.

    You can make it clear that you will not only vote your feelings about this issue, but that you will campaign for and contribute to only people who agree with you about the situation.

    You can bring this up with your neighbors, even if they find it distasteful.

    You can investigate this yourself, starting by calling the City Manager’s office and requesting information.i>

    What you should not do is expect the local press to investigate, or the local politicians to act without pressure, or think that just sitting back is fine, because someone else will do something.

  25. Anonymous
    November 19, 2010 at 5:34 pm

    $200K isn’t that bad. they probably would have spent twice that much to win.

  26. tenth street dreamer
    November 19, 2010 at 5:57 pm

    So just keep in mind folks, that part of city hall has been trying to pin this whole thing on EPD and the Chief. I wouldn’t be at all surprised they will still try to make Garr out to be the bad guy. When in reality he has remade the police force into a great organization, in spite of Tyson and crew.

  27. anonymous
    November 19, 2010 at 7:56 pm

    Tyson had to manuever a settlement because he knew that Tawnie could prove things he did not want to come out. Now the fun part. After costing the city all that money, Tyson will retire, collect his very generous Calpers taxpayer-funded allotment, and be cajoled back to city hall by buddies Bohn, Jager, etc to stay on as a consulting manager and earn an additional high 6 figures in pay. Let’s just hope he can keep his hands and his immaturity to himself the next go-around

  28. tenth st drmr x 2
    November 19, 2010 at 7:57 pm


  29. Anonymous
    November 19, 2010 at 9:27 pm

    Money aside, this has been a distraction from city business and an embarrassment. Too bad for all (and families) involved and a drain for the city. What’s done is done, though, and time to move on. Not sure if Dave is the person to move on with – but what has been done to find a replacement?

  30. anonymous
    November 19, 2010 at 9:59 pm

    Nothing because Dave nows he isn’t going anywhere.

  31. anonymous
    November 19, 2010 at 10:00 pm


  32. Anonymous
    November 19, 2010 at 10:45 pm

    What about Gary Bird?

  33. Eric Kirk
    November 19, 2010 at 10:46 pm

    Definitely not a “nuisance settlement.”

    And add to the city’s negligence in selection of an insurance policy which doesn’t cover lost earnings.

  34. Anonymous
    November 19, 2010 at 10:49 pm

    Good points, Eric. I wonder who insures the city?

  35. tenth street dreamer
    November 19, 2010 at 11:43 pm

    I can’t imagine a city so inept that they would ask this city manager to come back for any reason, except to clean out his desk. His hands are all over this untidy mess and he needs to be on his way. He has caused this city government a great deal of unneeded stress and money, staff hours preparing for the grand jury and the court trial, loss of staff quitting to get away from the taint, and dissension in a police department trying to rebuild itself. These are firing offenses, not invite you back offenses. It is pretty hard to call it any other way and keep a straight face.

  36. anonymous
    November 20, 2010 at 12:09 am

    Mike Knight would be a natural for city manager. I heard the city was spending a lot of $ to interview prospective managers. Why? Mike really cares about the city, is honest and has experience with the city. Eureka would be in good hands with Mike who is already the assistant city manager.

  37. November 20, 2010 at 7:32 am

    Hansen alleged — and apparently proved — that she was the victim of vicious harassment

    In the legal field, we call this assuming facts that are not in evidence. In reality it merely shows your bias on this topic.

  38. legal beagel
    November 20, 2010 at 8:02 am

    Wrong Chris, this was a civil case which has a standard of a “preponderance of evidence” obviously the Cities insurance carrier thought that had been reached. So they settled for this large amount!

  39. Ditto
    November 20, 2010 at 8:10 am

    Crawford is now pretending to be a lawyer? Here’s a clue Crawford. Setting up court computer systems doesn’t make you a member of the legal field. You’re just a glorified computer tech with delusions of grandeur.

    The harassment of Hansen was public knowledge (Above the Law blog), the “gifts” sent to her in Nielsen’s name and ownership of the “ATL” blog were proven by her (not Tyson’s hundred thousand plus global investigation) to be connected to Wilson. There were many other participants on the blog and the harassment and Wilson knows who they are. Tyson’s extraordinary (by his own testimony) attempts to help Wilson get another job when he obviously knew she was a walking disaster in the work place smells like another payoff. Tyson should be run out of town on a rail after he is tarred and feathered.

  40. Anonymous
    November 20, 2010 at 8:28 am

    You know, people talked about how the city gave up $200,000 to settle out of court proves the city thinks there is something substantial about Tawnie’s case.

    The same is true for Tawnie. She gave up $1.4 million dollars so she must have thought her case was very shaky.

  41. November 20, 2010 at 8:51 am

    Tawnie proved her point, and as noted by a relative in yesterday’s paper, she wasn’t in it for the money.

    Her lawyer proved what Tyson’s big, expensive global investigation could not. Had her legal team turned up the same non-results at Tyson, there wouldn’t be a $200,000 settlement.

    November 20, 2010 at 8:55 am

    …..and still,

    the chances of an awarded judgement for between $200K and $1.4 million were still very probable had the settlement been unaccepted.


    November 20, 2010 at 8:58 am

    anonymous says:
    November 20, 2010 at 12:09 am
    Mike Knight would be a natural for city manager. I heard the city was spending a lot of $ to interview prospective managers. Why? Mike really cares about the city, is honest and has experience with the city. Eureka would be in good hands with Mike who is already the assistant city manager.

    Any relation to Steve Knight, Humboldt County Sheriff’s Deputy/Animal Control Officer?


  44. Ditto
    November 20, 2010 at 9:29 am

    “The same is true for Tawnie. She gave up $1.4 million dollars so she must have thought her case was very shaky.”

    Vindication was the most important aspect and the settlement gave her that. The lawsuit could have been avoided with a real investigation and appropriate punishment of those involved rather than the deliberate attempt to muddy the water it turned out to be. There was no shakiness in Hansen’s case. $200,000 in the hand is better than a gamble on what a judge or jury would award in the bush, possible appeals of the judgment, increased legal expenses etc and a long period without income. People who want Tyson to stay on are totally nuts.

  45. mayfly
    November 20, 2010 at 10:31 am

    Uggg. Eureka politics stink. Nothing new. Tyson must go!

  46. anonymous
    November 20, 2010 at 11:05 am

    Tyson’s hands were dirty and he knew it. Got a few questions for ya Dave. Did Wilson get her settlement because her sister was your longtime assistant? Did you feel sorry for her? I mean come on, giving a reward for proven harassment of another employee and lying about it? Or was it plain old hush money because your assistant, even though she is BFFs with your wife, helped bury some of your skeletons?

    And how could you possibly think you alone should approve a settlement in a lawsuit in which you were such a prominent player?

    It all stinks. You stink. And if the city welcomes you back, they deserve whatever stink keeps on rolling in.

  47. Big Al
    November 20, 2010 at 11:28 am

    I will agree Tyson must go.
    I don’t understand how he isn’t personally on the hook for all this, is that even legal?

    Bring him back and I will join the recall movement too

  48. Anonymous
    November 20, 2010 at 11:54 am

    Costly scandals, higher taxes, and record deficits is the enduring legacy of “growth” under an entrenched good ‘ol boy governing class, (the few dozen who can throw down $30,000 each at the Ingomar to elect their shills and run the smear ads). Socializing the costs of development beyond capacity was never cheaper. The scandals, taxes and deficits are a brief distraction.

  49. Good 'ol Boy
    November 20, 2010 at 2:23 pm

    The only “boy” I know who threw thirty grand at any candidate was Bill Pierson. Name these horrible scalawags you speak of and the candidates that got such obscene amounts!

  50. A-Nony-Mouse
    November 20, 2010 at 4:11 pm

    I guess GOB doesn’t listen to KINS.
    And FYI, Pierson may have put that much total into all the races he supported, not any individual. I suspect that figure is way too high. If you’re doing it, blame to other guy for it. Works every time.

  51. Anonymous
    November 20, 2010 at 5:51 pm

    Pierson is an A Hole. Over the past ten years total up the money he and his have put out to influence elections so they can keep Home Depot out.

  52. robbie
    November 20, 2010 at 6:04 pm

    Recall TYSON.

  53. Goldie
    November 20, 2010 at 6:06 pm

    Home Depot has NO intentions of coming here.
    Real estate market DOWN
    Future employment levels.. Not looking great.
    Home Depot closed a bunch of stores and canceled most of their plans to expand.
    Godot is going to show up before Home Depot.

  54. Harold h. Greene
    November 20, 2010 at 6:12 pm

    Home Depot on the water front, it’s not right.

    Mr. Pierson may be an asshole and a political freak, but I’m sure Modesto, or some damned place like that, has a Home Depot. I suggest go there to shop for everyday low prices on a hammer and paint, if you gotta.

  55. Walt
    November 20, 2010 at 6:37 pm

    “Godot is going to show up before Home Depot.” Godot Depot? Shopping of the Absurd! Zut alors!

  56. tenth street dreamer
    November 20, 2010 at 7:59 pm

    Rob Arkley is an A hole. Over the past ten years total up what he and his have paid out to influence elections so they can bring Home Depot in. Who is calling the kettle black? Both are pissing on their turf like a couple of old bulls. Don’t come near my grassy knoll or you get gored.

  57. mresquan
    November 20, 2010 at 8:45 pm

    “Home Depot has NO intentions of coming here.
    Real estate market DOWN
    Future employment levels.. Not looking great.
    Home Depot closed a bunch of stores and canceled most of their plans to expand.”

    I was told pretty much the same thing by HD’s northwest director about 2 years ago.

  58. Anonymous
    November 20, 2010 at 9:05 pm

    Everyone’s an asshole. OK

  59. anonymous
    November 20, 2010 at 9:43 pm

    No, just Tyson.

  60. Anonymous
    November 20, 2010 at 9:47 pm

    Wallyworld, right on the bay, just wait. we are all so stupid it makes me sick, just keep whoring out our resources. Whole logs whats left of them right on to barges, fueled here, fattening another pimp, turning out our waterfront for profit, pimp! We are idiots and we deserve what we are going to get! Hey why dont we find something really stinky or really filthy and polluting to go along with the whole disgusting ball of wax and usher that in too. Buurlllaaahhhh

  61. A-Nony-Mouse
    November 21, 2010 at 8:50 am

    Maybe we could build a Dioxin Factory with BIG spray nozzles? Or maybe a factory that builds Fast Food Outlets? That’s it, a Fast Food Outlet Mall. Man, the juices are flowing now. Moohoohooahhahhahhh.
    (reads similar to “Buurlllaaahhh” above)

  62. anonymous
    November 21, 2010 at 9:13 am

    This place blows lately. How about a new topic, you know one that will attract intelligent posters with something intelligent to say ?

  63. mresquan
    November 21, 2010 at 9:15 am

    Kudos to the T-S for its nice editorial in the paper today.

  64. Hell Ya!
    November 21, 2010 at 9:19 am

    Silence isn’t always golden
    The Times-Standard
    Posted: 11/21/2010 01:30:27 AM PST

    We got some interesting news from the city of Eureka on Thursday. It was an official confirmation that the Tawnie Hansen harassment lawsuit was settled. She had alleged that the city, and specifically City Manager David Tyson, vindictively and unreasonably delayed and diluted an investigation into complaints that Hansen was being harassed by other department employees, consequently allowing the harassment to continue.

    The Times-Standard has been asking city officials and the involved attorneys point-blank about a settlement in the Hansen case for weeks. We were given the same answer each time. No comment. We can’t talk about it. We were referred to Eureka’s REMIF attorney, Adrienne Moran.

    REMIF is an insurance pool that several public agencies, including Eureka, belong to for coverage in these sorts of cases. From Moran — deafening silence. No returned calls. No returned e-mails. Nothing. Her office basically said she was not interested in talking to us.

    But this isn’t about what city officials and Moran didn’t tell the Times-Standard. It’s about what they chose not to tell taxpayers — the citizens of Eureka.

    What we know now is that the citizens of Eureka paid $100,000 of the $200,000 settlement. That’s taxpayer money that won’t be going to restart the street sweeping program, hire a police officer or help maintain parks.

    We expect our public officials and our elected representatives to be up front and transparent with their decisions. This is why open meeting and disclosure laws like the Brown Act exist, to give the public a firm platform for demanding answers and knowing what decisions are before their elected representatives — and what decisions are being made by their elected representatives.
    Legal experts said it appears the city slipped through a “quirky” loophole in the state law. That doesn’t make silence an OK response. Maybe the city didn’t violate the letter of the law, but we view the lack of disclosure as a violation of the spirit of the law and a violation of the trust of Eureka’s citizens. Instead of taking the high road of honesty and transparency, someone at some level decided to keep the whole thing under wraps until they were pushed hard enough.

    While it’s still unclear what the city was obligated to tell the public under the law, there was nothing that prevented the city from being up front.

    Regardless of whether the two sides agreed not to talk about the case, the city of Eureka is a public agency and taxpayers had a right to know about the settlement when it happened. Not when it was convenient, but when it happened. Instead, the taxpayers received silence.

    We understand that this case got nasty. That it shook City Hall to its core and dredged up unpleasantness on a number of fronts. In our eyes, all the more reason to be up front.

    At this point, we can only speculate about the decisions made and why they were made. We demand, and we hope the citizens of Eureka demand, a full explanation.

    This is your money. This is your right to know.

  65. Bolithio
    November 21, 2010 at 9:22 am

    Rob Arkley is an A hole. Over the past ten years total up what he and his have paid out to influence elections so they can bring Home Depot in.

    Thats it? What about the Arkley Center? The Coop? The development across from SN? And all the cash he has donated to local causes? Whos calling the kettle black?

  66. Anonymous
    November 21, 2010 at 9:33 am

    It’s time for another City Manager from out of town. Tyson pretty much showed us why a local is a bad idea. Too bad.

  67. Big Al
    November 21, 2010 at 9:41 am

    everything RA “gives” to the community comes with BIG strings attached.

  68. Anonymous
    November 21, 2010 at 9:52 am

    Strings attached to the AHS pool, St Bernards computer lab, the boardwalk, the zoo? The Center for Performing Arts? Specify!

  69. November 21, 2010 at 9:54 am

    Perhaps the next City Manager should be chosen from the ranks of the Castrati…just sayin’…

  70. Snaggletooth
    November 21, 2010 at 11:28 am

    “Waiting for Home Depot” ala Waiting for Godot… c’mon Seven-0-Heaven…

    Didn’t we have a Whole Logs outlet here in the early nineties shipping redwood logs to Japan to stash in holding ponds?

  71. No Philanthropist
    November 21, 2010 at 12:27 pm

    I wonder what Arkley pays to have his lobbyist Kay Backer attend and occasionally dominate General Plan Update workshops, Public Hearings, Elements, and even HCSD sewer meetings in Cutten over the last 5 years? Imagine the outrage if Pierson matched such influence, or if he were behind as much AstroTurf: “Humboldt Sunshine, Eureka Coalition For Jobs, Citizens for A Better Eureka, Humboldt Economic land Plan”.

    Arkley’s $6 million cumulative donation to Eureka is nice, but it’s CHUMP CHANGE. Even if his lawsuit against the county fails, he has enough political influence NOW to maintain the local legacy of fast profit big box and subdivision development subsidized by devastated public budgets.

  72. Anonymous
    November 21, 2010 at 12:32 pm

    Back when subscriptions meant more than ad revenue, community newspapers would be the first to file formal requests demanding investigations.

    Following 35 years of investigative journalism atrophy, all we get from the Times Standard is:

    “We feel your pain”

  73. Joel Mielke
    November 21, 2010 at 1:14 pm

    “…we call this assuming facts that are not in evidence.”

    Mr. Crawford’s comment is one of the few on this thread that isn’t simply an assertion of opinion not supported by facts, but I’ll bet that a lot of people would like to hear the City Council’s closed-door discussion of this expensive little mess.

  74. November 21, 2010 at 1:25 pm

    The facts are in evidence. Tawnie’s team did what Tyson’s useless-but-expensive “global investigation” failed to do — deliver proof that at least one of Tawnie’s co-workers were behind the creepy “gifts” she received at work, which were part of the harassment she complained of.

  75. Barb Leonard
    November 21, 2010 at 1:48 pm

    ….and Tawnie’s team will be handsomely paid. Wonder what Tawnie will net?


  76. Joel Mielke
    November 21, 2010 at 2:12 pm

    Well Barb, do you think she’d think it was worth what she went though?

  77. sam crow
    November 21, 2010 at 2:25 pm

    Hey Barb, was Jeff part of this, did vote for the global investigation? Is it alright with him that Tyson, the defendant, agreed to the settlement with out council approval?

  78. Goldie
    November 21, 2010 at 2:36 pm

    The hierarchy of ‘who laughs last’ is completely beside the point. The situation was this: the work place became hostile. Management was contacted for this is managements responsibility to present a cure as per state law. Management failed to instigate a reasonable cure and state courts were called upon to present compensation where law required it. People will be paid for representing their clients and their clients concerns on all sides.
    When one part of the system fails another part steps in according to law.
    Playing high school, playing favorites, or simply just playing is costly. The concerns of the people who live here have suffered. The price this is costing our community is very high at a time we can least afford it.
    I don’t think anyone is laughing last. Those who try look pathetic.

  79. Joel Mielke
    November 21, 2010 at 2:53 pm

    How about Sam Crow tell us who he is so that we can grill him about what his family members did or did not do?

  80. High Finance
    November 21, 2010 at 5:04 pm

    A few things to keep in mind when discussing (and hopefully thinking instead of knee jerking) this sad issue.

    The person who instigated this whole mess & started the blog that called Nelson everything in the book got off with only a $20,000 settlement.

    The city, whose only misdoing was to have a slow investigation, got nailed for $200,000?

    Second; while Tyson should be criticised for costing the city $200,000 on this, why do you people let Larry Glass off the hook for costing the city MILLIONS of dollars for the Jefferson School mess.

    And third, I have read only parts of the blog that started all of this. Only Heraldo has reported parts of it that I have seen. But what while what I have read is despicable, it is no worse many of the posts a number of you have posted against Bass/Newman and Jones.

  81. tenth st drmr x 2
    November 21, 2010 at 6:08 pm

    Now…the next adventure is the settlement with Suzie Owsley. Will we hear the moment she gets her $2.98 settlement?

  82. Anonymous
    November 21, 2010 at 6:25 pm

    It is not agreed by everyone that the Jefferson School is a mess. This your opinion, but as usual when you state your opinion you would think it was delivered on stone tablets. And the City Council voted unanimously to approve this purchase. So why HI FI are you singling out Glass?

  83. Goldie
    November 21, 2010 at 6:47 pm

    Mr. Fi, The person who instigated this whole mess was an employee working under a manager. The manager handled the situation in a manner that ended up with a price tag of almost $500,000.
    You may if you wish, divert the topic to pandas at the zoo, skate parks, parking at Home Depot, or where to buy or not buy classic rock albums.

  84. anon
    November 21, 2010 at 7:21 pm

    Suzie Owlsey has not prevailed yet in any part of her complaint process. If Tyson is still around let’s see if he writes her a check she doesn’t deserve, like he did with Wilson, or does something in secret, like he did with Hansen.

  85. anon
    November 21, 2010 at 7:26 pm

    HiFi, the Jefferson School issue is a lot different than the lawsuit settlement. One was all out there in front of the public at the council meetings. The other was done in private, is money down the toilet and Tyson was the only one who gained from that.

  86. mresquan
    November 21, 2010 at 7:49 pm

    I think hifi is saying that so long as deals are done behind closed doors,and without public access or getting any info out to the public,it’s just fine in comparison to a situation where a deal is done in a public venue and the info is readily available to whoever wants it.

  87. Heidi
    November 21, 2010 at 9:03 pm

    Oh Hi Fi stop it, I just took a break from grant writing to peek at the blog and you are at it again.

    We have a committed group of community partners working on this project, we are not a rag taggedy bunch and we are working diligently to take responsibility for our community.

    The City Council, Mayor Bass and the City Management and Staff all reviewed our work, recommended approval and voted unanimously because we are credible, have leveraged existing resources in the community and established organizational partnerships to help secure funding. We have a broad base of support. The grant writers we are working with are top planners for the community action agency, that is a donation to the city because the agency sees the community benefit to this project as well. Committee members, volunteer countless hours, and are screaming for the city to gain site control so we can do more.

    This is 2 continuous acres, zoned public use that is a valuable thing for the city to preserve, in 20 years you may need a school there, it is irreplaceable, in the mean time, for goodness sake, we are revitalizing an abandoned school building in blight, providing a space for needed, cost effective services for the community, and restoring common ground for the west side. And we are not using city money to do it.

    We have a well thought out and well researched plan which includes funding mechanisms. If this was not an appropriate redevelopment project it would not be a project at all. Dave would have pulled the plug on it, he has supported this project at every turn because it is the right thing to do. Every now and then believe it or not people do something because it is thing to do.

    I personally commit 10-16 hours a week every week to this project, this is out of my heart man, I am engineer, I have employment, a business, plenty of things I could focus on for profit but you know what, I live here, I raised my daughter here, someday my grandkids will be here, I love Eureka and every minute I put in to the future of this community will come back 10 fold to another generation. That is profit man, that is what I am talking about.

  88. High Finance
    November 21, 2010 at 9:33 pm

    You have vague promises & well wishes. The city doesn’t even know what to do with the property. In other words you have nothing Heidi but we taxpayers are on the hook for millions.

    And who are you to commit our tax dollars? Nobody elected you to anything & your sponsor got whupped on Nov 2nd. The people of Eureka never had a say. The politicians who defended this turkey all lost on election day but it is too late to stop this. The Redevelopment fund doesn’t even have the money to buy this. Will the $400,000 come from our Measure O sales tax dollars?

  89. November 21, 2010 at 9:42 pm

    Jager supported “this turkey.” Looks like you’re wrong again, HiFi.

  90. Eurekan
    November 21, 2010 at 10:25 pm

    Hi Fi: Don’t you get tired of talking out of your ass continually?

    The rest of us sure do.

  91. High Finance
    November 21, 2010 at 10:42 pm

    No Heraldo, Jager expressed big doubts at the time of his vote, but said he voted for this turkey because of all the “energy & good intentions by the neighborhood” group” or words to that effect.

    Voting for something he knew was a mistake was not his finest hour. Some suspect he might have done it for politics.

    Tough shit “Eurekan”. Somebody has to speak reason around here.

  92. The Monitor
    November 21, 2010 at 10:50 pm

    If hifi got an education in truth, it would be a great help. Besides, just because someone got defeated in the election doesn’t make their ideas wrong, anymore that winning make their ideas right. Good ideas and good people get defeated all the time. The ideas have to be tested by actions and a will to test their validity. HiFi is a demagogue, pure and simple.

  93. High Finance
    November 21, 2010 at 11:02 pm

    Have you ever stopped to think Monitor or do you just blindly support anything your candidates do or say?

    Think man, THINK. They bought a property that will take up to $3 million dollars of taxpayer dollars, with no idea of what they are going to do with it, no business plan of any sort, no money on hand to pay for it, no tenants signed up, no idea of what rents they will charge for the space & no idea who the tenants will even be.

    All they have are good intentions expressed by people who have no financial committent to follow through & no experience in ever doing anything of this sort before.

    I gaurantee that you, Heraldo, Larry Glass & even Heidi would never dream of handling your own finances this way. If you did you would soon be bankrupt.

  94. November 22, 2010 at 6:29 am

    Jäger said he was moved by the dedication of the residents’ commitment to support the acquisition. Maybe you think he was lying.

  95. Pitchfork
    November 22, 2010 at 7:47 am

    HiFi keeps screaming about millions of dollars the city will have to spend. That’s bullshit. if we can’t get the grant funding or cdbg money, then the buildings can just sit until we get the funds with minimal volunteer maintenance, if not we can level the buildings and make it all a park. $600,000 for that property is a steal.
    You have this irrational hate for Larry Glass, it seems very personal.
    You also sound like a bean counter that doesn’t seem to have any real world experience.

  96. Back on Topic
    November 22, 2010 at 7:57 am

    Trying to get back on topic here… what about what Hi Fi said at 5.04pm about the blog that started this lawsuit being no worse than many of the things posted here about conservative candidates in the last election ? maybe those candidates should sue the Humboldt Herald

  97. November 22, 2010 at 8:11 am

    Maybe they can call HiFi as a witness.

    But seriously, trying to conflate shitty comments on a blog with real world harassment in the workplace misses the mark.

    That said, nasty comments about local politicos of all stripes have been deleted from the Herald.

  98. Ed
    November 22, 2010 at 8:12 am

    You must mean Back off Topic.

  99. Heidi
    November 22, 2010 at 8:23 am

    HI Fi There is no convincing you so why waste my breath. But, we do have tenants lined up, we do have funding streams, both public and private (we need both or we would have pursued C3 only, we are not dumbass’s), we do have a plan, it is the communities plan, Frank Jager and Virginia Bass were genuine in their support, why would it be politically prudent for Frank and Virginia to support it and a turkey for Ron and Larry? The world is changing, things have to be approached creative;y, collaboratively, you just dont go to one place anymore and say this is what we are are going to do. Multi faceted projects of this scope take a broad base of support and frankly we cant do squat without site control so we have just continued to lay ground work, score grant applications, go through rating criteria refine our game plan, and keep our partners engaged. I suspect in your heart you really want this to work, I think you have a big bad conservative persona on this blog and inside there is a human who cares about the future of the kids in this community.
    Heidi Benzonelli

  100. Harold h. Greene
    November 22, 2010 at 8:37 am

    “HI Fi There is no convincing you so why waste my breath.”

    he’s mad that he wasn’t cut into the deal. That’s all.

  101. A-Nony-Mouse
    November 22, 2010 at 8:59 am

    Maybe HiFi had a ‘Grinch moment’ in reverse and his heart SHRUNK?

  102. anonymous
    November 22, 2010 at 9:05 am

    HiFi forgets that the politicians who were on board with this before being voted, were voted in at one time, and that’s the way it works. So as much as it sticks in his craw, he has to live with it, just as we will live the next few years with the joker, the penguin, etc etc

  103. anonymous
    November 22, 2010 at 9:09 am

    And I am still waiting for your explanation of how the settled-in-private-by-Tyson lawsuit can be compared to the school issue, other than that taxpayer money was spent.

  104. E. Percival Ne'er-do-well Esquire III
    November 22, 2010 at 9:09 am

    Why anybody engages or cares what HiFi thinks is beyond me. He is a pompous asshole that thinks only of himself and his progeny and will fuck you or anyone he can any chance he gets, so keep on engaging his highness and be sure you stock up on the KY.

  105. anonymous
    November 22, 2010 at 9:15 am

    You know Heraldo, you nailed it. Nasty blog comments are a long ways from the stuff that went on at EPD, like Hansen being sent anonymous harassing gifts by DD and Nielsen being followed and having pictures taken. If HiFi thinks those are the same, there’s no help for him.

  106. Anonymous
    November 22, 2010 at 11:00 am

    Tyson should not be asked back and Garr Nielsen deserves our support. I would suggest folks send letters to the editor expressing both opinions. IF the new city council does not feel pressure from the citizens, you can bet they’ll fire Garr and re-hire Dave.

  107. tysha
    November 22, 2010 at 11:08 am

    Ditto to Anon @ 11:00

  108. Big Al
    November 22, 2010 at 11:08 am

    Dave should stay gone, retire out and probably move away.
    Mike Knight would make a great interim city manager, he cares about the city and stays away from the slime.
    Mike was smart enough to stay away from the city officials sucking face and lap sharing at the FEMA conference. the unseemly public behavior displayed by the Eureka hick council while out of town is an embarrassment to the city.

  109. skippy
    November 22, 2010 at 11:20 am

    Readers might enjoy this information, and some money piling intot he City’s coffers, courtesy of the North Coast Journal’s Ryan Burns:

    “Humboldt County Has Received $121M in Recovery Funds”

    “$121,125,647 to be (more or less) exact. That’s how much of Uncle Sam’s money flowed into Humboldt County between February 17, 2009, and September 30, 2010, as a result of President Obama’s American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009. And the vast majority of that cheddar has been in the form of grants…

    “…Here’s a brief breakdown of the county numbers:…

    “…•$2.1 million in grants went to the City of Eureka (and still they have budget problems?), including $631,796 to hire cops and $665,129 for street repairs…”

    This is an informative read for you number crunchers out there. More information and the specific links are found at the North Coast Journal:


  110. High Finance
    November 22, 2010 at 11:25 am

    Well, I hope all you know-it-alls really do know it all & the Jefferson project works.

    If it doesn’t, will Heidi, Mouse, Percival, Anonymous, Anonymous and Anonymouse all kick in to pay the taxpayers back for all the money wasted & about to be wasted?

    C/R’s plan was not based upon wishful thinking & hope to be or crossing of fingers.

  111. toady two shoes
    November 22, 2010 at 11:53 am

    Well, it’s already a done deal so we have to give Heidi and RCAA a fair chance here. Oops! Did I say RCAA? Uh-oh, did I let the cat outta the bag on this one?!….

  112. The Monitor
    November 22, 2010 at 12:45 pm

    Bettering the neighborhood with a project like Jefferson school is not a waste HIFI. Only in your own mind, old boy. I get a sneaky feeling you are connected to Eureka schools and don’t like the deal. I’ll bet you are one of the administrators. Stop demogoging and tell us your real motive.

  113. A-Nony-Mouse
    November 22, 2010 at 2:36 pm

    HiFi, maybe Heidi, Percival, Anonymous, Anonmymous, and Anonymouse would like to join me in rearranging your priorities? That’a a sarcastic euphamiism, if you didn’t understand it.

  114. A-Nony-Mouse
    November 22, 2010 at 2:37 pm

    EUPHAMISM is how it’s spelled.

  115. Anonymous
    November 22, 2010 at 3:01 pm

    “Euphemism” is the correct spelling.

  116. anon1
    November 22, 2010 at 7:14 pm

    Hey I’m just trying to understand here..Aren’t conservatives supposed to be unhappy with any kind of misuse of public monies on unnecessary things. Why have all of the so called conservatives like HI/SLY haven’t said one thing about the complete waste of money for being inept. What do Jager,Virginia,Mike,and the rest of the conservative group think about wasting this money..A third the cost at least of Jefferson school.. Why would a mostly conservative city council want to keep someone who cost us this much money for not doing his job. Is that what being a conservative is?

  117. Truth in information
    November 22, 2010 at 7:32 pm

    Remember, the conservatives are a part of the group of ‘NO’. Under bush they spent us into a recession. It is all a matter of where to spend our tax dollars, not save them. They cover well for the misdeeds of their cronies and have a coordinated political machine and can tell stories that have little basis in reality. They are also well funded by the moneyed few, as seen both locally and nationally. The bold faced lies about ideas and people they disagree with is particularly troublesome. You can’t maintain a democracy on false information.

  118. High Finance
    November 22, 2010 at 9:27 pm

    Mouse, that sorta sounded like a threat.

    Eureka school people made out like bandits. I do not know how they took advantage of the city like they did. There should be some sort of an investigation.

    “Truth” speaks with a forked tongue. The budget deficits by the Obama administration is higher in two years than in all eight years of the Bush administration combined. The budget deficits for California belong only to the Democrats.

    And by the way, the Governor has called the state legislature back for a lame duck session on Dec 6th to address the six billion dollars in budget cuts needed right NOW for the current fiscal year. Budget deficits for the next fiscal year are now projected to be $25 BILLION dollars.

    Since the Democrats are in charge and since they have no political will to cut spending, they will be raiding Redevelopment funds and any other funds they can get their hands on again.

  119. Goldie
    November 22, 2010 at 9:35 pm

    Bla bla bla everybody and by that I mean Happy almost Thanksgiving! Go Global or Go Vegan, I wish you all a pleasant and safe holiday.

  120. Anonymous
    November 23, 2010 at 12:58 pm

    9:09 said it best.

    Clearly, this disaster belongs to Mr. David Tyson.

    Meanwhile, enabling “Hi-Lie” produces a ribald SM drama. His lame provocations illicit immediate punishment, then he invents another: “Larry Glass did it, OUCH OUCH, that felt good”, “No, look at Jefferson school, OUCH OUCH, I like it”, “No it’s Obama, he’s paying too much for Bush’s bailouts, wars, and economic collapse…hurry, somebody punch me…”

    Normal folks feel in our gut that an elementary school in a neighborhood is inherently good. Our opponent’s gut tells them a big box is good for the economy. Both require public subsidies.

    The difference is in centuries of knowledge and experience.

  121. Anonymous
    November 23, 2010 at 2:29 pm

    Im with Hi Fi on this one and so is almost everyone in town who doesnt live by jefferson.

  122. anon
    November 23, 2010 at 3:57 pm

    I’m still waiting for HiFi to explain
    1) How he could consider that stuff said on this blog is the same as what Tyson allowed to go on at EPD for a year in the way of gifts sent to people in other people’s names and people being followed and having pictures taken.

    2) How Tyson settling the lawsuit under his own authority in private and not releasing the information until after the election is the same as anything Glass did in the Jefferson deal.

  123. Truth in information
    November 23, 2010 at 4:06 pm

    That is the point. They don’t live in the Jefferson School area. If they did, it would be obvious why this type of facility is needed. It would be a very positive influence in the west side of Eureka, which is primarily lower income families that need a safe place for their children to play, go to school, a place for adult programs to develop, and so much more. HIFI is a elitist and judging by his handle, thinks the only thing of importance is money, not anything that smacks of societal needs. Baa humbug!

  124. Joel Mielke
    November 23, 2010 at 4:30 pm

    “… almost everyone in town who doesnt live by jefferson.”

    One whiff of this comment would indicate that Anonymous has not taken a poll and is simply full of shit.

  125. Anonymous
    November 23, 2010 at 4:44 pm

    “The Democrats” implies a coherency that does not exist in the Democratic Party. C’mon HiFi. Be a Democrat. You would fit right in.

  126. anon1
    November 23, 2010 at 7:30 pm

    It seems hard to defend wasting 200,000. + legal fees..

  127. Anonymous
    November 23, 2010 at 8:02 pm

    You are right, it is much easier to change the subject or divert peoples attention.

  128. High Finance
    November 23, 2010 at 10:23 pm

    Nobody is defending Tyson’s actions here, that is just a red herring Anon1. You know that is a dishonest & lazy way to debate.

    As far as a poll being taken on Jefferson Joel? Were you asleep on Nov 2nd? The prime instigator of the Jefferson purchase, Larry Glass, got his clock cleaned.

    And exactly what “type of facility” does the Jefferson neighborhood need Truth? Not one person on this earth really knows what to do with Jefferson.

    Money is not the ONLY thing that is important Truth, it is not even the most important thing. But it is foolish, short sighted & fiscally reckless for you to claim that it is not important. Such idiotic thinking is what has driven California to the brink of bankruptcy.

  129. Westsider
    November 24, 2010 at 8:08 am

    These are your two unrelenting themes.
    1.”Nobody is defending Tyson’s actions here”. except that’s all you do. Good Luck his actions are indefensible.

    2.”Larry Glass, got his clock cleaned’. Maybe, maybe not, we’ll see, I tell you this, he stood shoulder to shoulder with us in the trenches, fighting for the West side that he represented. He may have lost the election, but his integrity is untouched.
    He still represents us, in my view, not Brady.

  130. Another Westsider
    November 24, 2010 at 8:23 am

    Who are you to speak for us? Nobody elected you. A lot of us were looking forward to taking classes at College of The Redwoods.

  131. Goldie
    November 24, 2010 at 9:05 am

    I hope larry stays in the conversation. He did a lot to help the Westside and to support the changes in the police department that made a world of difference in our neighborhood. He won’t have a vote but he can have a voice and we still need him.

  132. Ditto
    November 24, 2010 at 9:43 am

    That Larry, who had wide and deep support in his ward, “got his clock cleaned” is exactly what is wrong with our “half-ward” system. With the exception of Atkins, the entire council now belongs to the C of C and don’t represent the voters in the wards they were elected to represent. Of course, arrogant elitists like HiFi don’t believe the voters deserve representation. We need a ballot initiative for a real ward system, not the half-assed system that benefits the good ole boys.

  133. Big Al
    November 24, 2010 at 9:53 am

    Move public access television from the EHS campus to Jefferson. Access Humboldt is in a poor place right now with the public having to come onto campus during school hours.

  134. High Finance
    November 24, 2010 at 10:22 am

    That would make a lot of sense Big Al.

    Any idea of how much that would cost to remodel Jefferson for the TV studio, how much rent would Public Access pay the city and what about the lease they have with the school district? Finally, where is all that money going to come from?

  135. Anonymous
    November 24, 2010 at 12:12 pm

    Since you’re asking yourself, “where does the money come from”, please allow readers to experience the full-stench of your hypocrisy:

    Do you, or do you not, support Tyson’s retention?

  136. High Finance
    November 24, 2010 at 12:37 pm

    No I do not, Anon 12.12pm.

    However I would have a fun time laughing at the hysterics that you guys would go through here!

    I do feel that Tyson has been the best city manager we have had in decades but now its time for a fresh perspective.

  137. A-Nony-Mouse
    November 24, 2010 at 2:59 pm

    HiFi, I wouldn’t waste my breath threatening you. Obviously any offer to actually ‘educate’ you must be very threatening to your squinched-in world view. As you view Eureka through your tiny peephole, try to realize that there are many people with broader vision who try to see what places like Jefferson School could be rather than what they could not. The possibilities are endless, not limited to CRs plan. Sort of like the Balloon Track. Your take on that one shows you have NO imagination. There are vast numbers of economically viable ideas for that site that would have broad public support and would not threaten Eureka’s local economy. I’m predicting right here that if that godawful thing gets built, within 5 years Eureka will have many more empty storefronts, fewer businesses, lower wages, and empty blighted buildings , both at the Bayshore Maul and the MC. At least Jefferson School site will be a positive influence.
    Now, HiFi, take your negativity and sell it somewhere

  138. A-Nony-Mouse
    November 24, 2010 at 3:00 pm

    OO OOO ooo I missed the part where HiFi identifies a turd-pile as a fillet mignon. Marvelous!!!

  139. Big Al
    November 24, 2010 at 3:24 pm

    Ok HiFi
    i will answer your money questions after work today, just in for lunch. first clue is to look at your cable bill…

  140. anon1
    November 24, 2010 at 5:16 pm

    History has a way of repeating itself..RIGHT..Remember when we trusted the same rhetoric about Hurwitz and Maxxam..Why are we so fast to continually trust big business to do the right thing. Name one?? That has done the RIGHT thing and they always buy off big name locals to take up the cause. POLITICS. In the name of green paper called money..maybe Jefferson can be a project for the people to better themselves. Do you suggest staying home and watching T.V.

  141. High Finance
    November 24, 2010 at 7:47 pm

    Mouse, you never listen, you never try to think about what I am saying. Your mind is closed – period.

    My point is, perhaps Jefferson could be made into something worthwhile & that would be nice.

    But BEFORE you spend $600,000 & commit the city to millions more you better have a real plan and not just hopes that something will turn up! That is such a simple basic fundamental act of fiscal responsibility, that I just shake my head at your complete lack of understanding.

    For the sake of the people of Eureka, don’t any of you dare run for any city council position.

  142. High Finance
    November 24, 2010 at 7:52 pm

    Thanks Big Al. It would be nice to see more people here look up the facts.

    I too made some phone calls this afternoon for those answers. I look forward to comparing notes.

  143. Ditto
    November 24, 2010 at 8:09 pm

    Too bad HiFi isn’t fiscally responsible when it comes to tax cuts.

  144. Anonymous
    November 24, 2010 at 9:07 pm

    That Larry Glass, protecting the downtown business district, establishing clear and effective lines of communication between neighbors and police, defending the downtrodden, seeking equality, empowering citizens, representing his constituents, HOW DARE HE! Somebody put him in his place! AND MAKE SURE THAT NEVER HAPPENS AGAIN!

  145. Big Al
    November 24, 2010 at 9:50 pm

    I will drag my copy of the contract out tomorrow, the hammer and tongs of light industrial manufacturing kept me busy till 8:30 tonight.
    I will add now and additional problem with PEG television at the high school is that any structural or remodeling changes take extra time and money as the approval has to go thru the schools rather than simply the city building dept.
    my main point was the siting could be better. Jefferson would be a great place for public access, when it was in Arcata as “acat” it was operated out of a place smaller than the woman’s bathrooms at the community center…

    gone pretty far from the Hansen topic, sorry H

  146. November 24, 2010 at 9:56 pm

    Comment threads naturally take on a life of their own after a while. Thank you for participating in the great Humboldt Herald current.

    Happy Turkeylurky.

  147. Heidi
    November 24, 2010 at 10:05 pm

    Al,We interviewed Access Humboldt as potential tenants at the beginning of the feasibility study I can not remember exactly why they or we were not a good fit. I think it was with our timeline, it seems like they had a dead line to spend money and we would not be ready in time for them (I can not remember exactly and do not have my notes with me). The ungodly length of time everything takes is really difficult to learn how to operate effectively with, but we are talking about bureaucratic processes which as I am learning just take a lot of time, if you remember, that is why we lost NCS too. Regardless, iy is what it is, we continue to lay the foundation for a fantastically beneficial community development project. Heidi Benzonelli

  148. mresquan
    November 24, 2010 at 10:12 pm

    If you want hifi to back off on this issue,just stick a couple of monkeys in a classroom for people to look in at,throw up a barn outside with a goat for someone to pet,and he’ll call it an institution worthy of funding despite the city’s dire financial situation.

  149. heidibenzonelli
    November 25, 2010 at 8:17 am

    Just trying to set a gravitar (with my cute little nephew, just one of many things to be so incredibly grateful for

  150. heidibenzonelli
    November 25, 2010 at 8:18 am

    ha, success

  151. Anonymous
    November 26, 2010 at 2:49 pm

    Well said mresquan.

    Hi-Hypocrite’s defense of the zoo’s annual $600,000 is more important than a neighborhood’s potential elementary school.

    Too much energy is wasted here trying to exorcise Hi-Lies’ demons. After a few days of blaming Glass, invoking Jefferson School and Obama, he concedes Tyson should be fired…

    “But he was the best we ever had”(!?).

    These hypocrites DEMAND to know “where the money’s coming from” unless it’s the public subsidies for another big box, THEIR pet project, or more subdivisions near a city that needs every penny of Humboldt’s $128 million in Recovery Act funds to merely update Eureka’s existing waste water system, expand the treatment facility, and construct the interceptor.

    They despise “socialism”, except the part that socializes the COSTS of their business: to wrap the bay in brownfields, saturate Eureka in poverty-wages, or the narrow focus of “growth” on the big homes, cars and medical treatments few can afford.

    A history of economic collapse still unfolding.

  152. High Finance
    November 26, 2010 at 9:12 pm

    More lies 2.49pm ?

    I did not say Tyson should be fired. I only think that he should not be rehired.

  153. Anonymous
    November 27, 2010 at 1:16 pm


    Hi-Liar knows damn-well “fired” / “not-rehired” is a legal distinction exploited by bureaucrats. A distinction Hi-Lie wouldn’t quibble over if it were a “lefty” city manager who’s incompetence cost us hundreds of thousands of dollars plus unknown staff time.


    When Hi-Liar isn’t deriding others debating skills, he’s taking cowardly refuge in semantics, avoiding the hypocrisy of supporting a zoo over a community’s potential elementary school, or defending his failed right-wing trickle-down ideology…”A history of economic collapse still unfolding”.

    Was a clown ever more hilarious AND sad?

  154. High Finance
    November 27, 2010 at 5:43 pm

    Are you really that dumb, 1.16pm, that you don’t know the difference between retiring & being fired?

    And what the hell “potential elementary school” are you talking about? Jefferson? Jefferson will never, ever be an elementary school again.

    And I’m sure that Joel will post soon about your cowardly anonymonity, hiding behind the word “anonymous”. You sound just like Plain Jane, hiding behind a double facade.

    And BTW, I don’t “deride” other’s debating skills unless they’re idiots or post a ridiculous post. I do deride yours.

  155. Goldie
    November 27, 2010 at 6:09 pm

    Mr.Fi, The purpose of your post seems to be to intimidate. Your words are harsh and I would suppose you somehow feel it is up to you to declare who is an idiot and who is not.
    I enjoy reading the posts of others. I would not call them idiots. I hope they keep posting on this community board.

  156. anon1
    November 27, 2010 at 6:59 pm

    sly, were you an alter boy? Seem very angry.

  157. Anonymous
    November 28, 2010 at 1:51 pm

    Goldie, Hi-Lie just made my point in spades.

    First he used semantics to avoid the debate, it didn’t work, so now he’s gonna get nasty…and avoid the debate…

    You have to admit, it was a hard-swallow on Heraldo to suddenly write that Tyson shouldn’t be rehired, following months defending Tyson, and days of distraction blaming Glass, invoking Jefferson School and Obama, (above).

    Of course, Hi-Lie would be demanding immediate termination of any incompetent “lefty” costing taxpayers hundreds of thousands of dollars.

    In order to prevail in his support of subsidizing the zoo over a school:

    “(I decree) Jefferson will NEVER, EVER be a school again”!

    Who’s “dumb”!?

    Even his demagoguery is crappy. It’s certainly not debating! Apparently, he’s one of those anti-growth activists we keep hearing about!

    Expecting a childless recovery?

    Hi-Hypocrisy strikes again…

    Maybe we can extract ALL of his superlatives by demanding to know the benefits of that lower-tax, trickle-down, deregulation movement we’re still enjoying.

  158. Anonymous
    November 29, 2010 at 8:08 am

    Goldie, was that last post harsh also ?

  159. Anonymous
    November 29, 2010 at 11:27 am

    Deriding others debating skills in the same sentence calling your opponent an “idiot” and “ridiculous” without example is an unparalleled example of poor debating skills.

    Hence, “Hi-Liar” and “Hi-Hypocrisy”.

    I will defer to other Heraldites to decide if it’s “dumb” to point out the semantics of the word “fired”. Bureaucrats have been using a host of terminology to fire long-serving employees without lawsuits.

    Today’s musical chairs of grossly negligent bureaucrats, and their “not-fired” letters of praise, is a result.

  160. High Finance
    November 29, 2010 at 4:32 pm

    If you have any information that Tyson was fired, you should present it.

    I know several of the council members & I can confidently state that you are full of sh*t.

    Anyone who says they know Tyson was fired is a flat out liar.

    Sorry about calling them “idiots” Goldie. I just get frustrated at “anonymous” posters who make absurd claims with no facts or knowledge to back them up.

    I also get frustrated at people like you & Joel who are very one-sided & selective of their disapproval. Like 8.08am pointed out, you are disappointed in my posts and then let 1.51pm and 11.27am slide by without comment.

    Likewise Joel was criticising my anonymonity & then criticising others on another topic, but has nothing to say about the countless “anonymouses” who rip conservatives (and me).

    If you and Joel are to criticise me you must criticise the others even if they are liberals. Well, either that or forever be branded as hypocrites. But you won’t & neither will he.

    Now, if you two are to remain true to form, you will both disappear & not respond until Heraldo erases this topic from the board.

  161. Anonymous
    November 30, 2010 at 8:47 am

    Guess you were right Hi Fi !

  162. Ditto
    November 30, 2010 at 9:01 am

    Hardly Anonymous. No one responded to his straw man argument because no one said Tyson was fired.

  163. Harold h. Greene
    November 30, 2010 at 9:33 am

    well, he should not be rehired, whether that means being fired, or not.

  164. Harold h. Greene
    November 30, 2010 at 9:46 am

    the hicknee tongue in the ear, driving after drinking while on city business, pubkic indiscretions should be reason enough.

    Like it was said before, who in their right mind would keep somebody on the pay roll after something like this?

  165. tra
    November 30, 2010 at 10:36 am

    “…hicknee tongue in the ear, driving after drinking while on city business…”

    Facts or rumours?

  166. Harold h. Greene
    November 30, 2010 at 10:52 am

    if not fact, I apologize for rumor mongering.

    though a $100,000 is a pretty big fact.

  167. Ditto
    November 30, 2010 at 10:58 am

    Weren’t those “facts or rumors” from his own sworn testimony in the Hansen deposition?

  168. tra
    November 30, 2010 at 11:22 am

    I don’t know, that’s why I’m asking.

  169. Anonymous
    November 30, 2010 at 11:23 am

    There Hi-Liar goes again.

    No one claimed Tyson was fired, and Hi-Hypocrite won’t shed a tear when Tyson is retained.

    This is NOT a debater, he is a demagogue-provocateur. Expose him, and superlatives become his salve.

    He gets far too much traction on Heraldo.

  170. Reinventing The Wheel
    November 30, 2010 at 11:32 am

    In an earlier post Hi-Fi responded to Jane: “So, if I understand you correctly, Eureka voters are too stupid to sort out the facts….”

    No one claimed Eureka voters are stupid.

    Hi-Fi just fell in his his own sh*t.

  171. Ditto
    November 30, 2010 at 11:44 am
  172. Anonymous
    November 30, 2010 at 12:01 pm

    Whatever happened to Plain Jane? We haven’t heard from her since the election.

  173. November 30, 2010 at 12:03 pm

    Thank God Anonymous is still with us.

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