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Public meeting on offshore naval training Wednesday at Wharfinger

Not exactly the congressional hearings called for by the City of Arcata and others, but Congressman Thompson has organized a meeting for Navy reps to talk about military training activities off the coast of Humboldt County and points north.

Press Release:

WASHINGTON– At the request of Congressman Mike Thompson (D-Napa Valley), representatives from the United States Navy will hold public meetings regarding the Northwest Training Range Complex (NWTRC) on Wednesday, December 15th from 5:00-7:00 pm at the Wharfinger Building in Eureka, and on Thursday, December 16th from 5:00-7:00 pm at Pentecost Hall at 822 Stewart Street in Fort Bragg.

“I requested that the Navy come to the North Coast to provide information for the community and answer their questions regarding the NWTRC,” said Congressman Thompson. “A highly trained Navy, transparency regarding planned activities off our coast, and protection of marine life are not mutually exclusive.”

The NWTRC is one of many Navy Range Complexes used for training of operational forces, equipment and other military activities. Based at Whidbey Island, near Puget Sound in Washington, the Navy has been training in the NWTRC since World War II. The bulk of the air, surface and subsurface activity takes place in waters off the state of Washington, but the scope of influence covers approximately 122,400 nautical miles and extends from Washington to the southern tip of Humboldt. Training exercises vary in scope and effect, and in California, are carried out between 12 and 250 miles offshore.

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  1. Ponder z
    December 14, 2010 at 5:50 am

    OhhhhMG, they have kilt all those dolphins, and they are not even going to eat them. They just left em on the beach to rot.

    BTW where is this pic form? Washington state? The south Pacific? Al Gore?

    How did they really die?

    Sensationalizing!

  2. Decline to State
    December 14, 2010 at 7:11 am

    I believe those are beaked whales.

  3. High Finance
    December 14, 2010 at 7:27 am

    There have always been stupid & crazy people in this country but more so now than ever before in our history.

    Now the Navy is having a hard time practicing in the open ocean, far off shore because some fish might be killed? Unbelievable.

  4. woodsworker
    December 14, 2010 at 8:03 am

    Yes, hi fi, ignorance is rampant and your post backs that up. Gotta love those stupid, uninformed opinions that so many like yourself spew forth.
    This is not an issue about a few fish being killed. The Navy has done extensive damage with their sonar testing and have left a great deal of toxic material on the ocean floor. There have been whales beaching because the sonar has the capability of driving them mad, bursting their eardrums, bursting their lungs and more.
    What will it take for you fools to get that we are interdependent and we need our oceans and it’s inhabitants.

  5. Bolithio
    December 14, 2010 at 8:20 am

    Anyone ever heard or seen a fighter jet squadron fly down redwood creek? I wonder how much of the training in our vicinity is actually in or on the water. I would not be surprised if 99% of operations here occurs in the air.

  6. Jed
    December 14, 2010 at 8:37 am

    Agreed.

  7. Plain Jane
    December 14, 2010 at 8:39 am

    I saw one once years ago, Bolithio. We were swimming at Redwood Creek and a single jet flew overhead so low that you could read the letters on it and the sound was deafening. We thought it was on its way to a crash.

  8. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    December 14, 2010 at 8:49 am

    Been on Kneeland too to see the jets veer off once they hit the coast…..and out in Trinity just west of Weaverville too. If a person was a good shot, easily hitting a jet with a bullet, a potato gun or some other item is very doable. I have often wondered when a SAM would be introduced domestically against the military. It’s gonna happen at some point, we know it will.

    JL

  9. Sven
    December 14, 2010 at 8:55 am

    I like the way you think, henchman. No kidding. Generationally, the future really is getting more and more bleak. People are only gonna take so much.

  10. Big Al
    December 14, 2010 at 9:05 am

    Hench, homeland security is going to come for you…

  11. Sven
    December 14, 2010 at 9:10 am

  12. December 14, 2010 at 9:11 am

    I agree with Big Al. Some honk will come along and say if you are against the Navy Training Exercises than you support the Terrorists.

  13. Sven
    December 14, 2010 at 9:12 am

    Careful! Nobody say what they think!!!!

  14. Big Al
    December 14, 2010 at 9:27 am

    I was in a tree on a ridge above the Matole back in ’84 (ish) a military jet flew so close to the ridge top (and right over me ) I could see rivets, the pilots face for a flash, and smell the exhaust! I didn’t know whether to hold on to the tree or cover my ears, did some of both…
    I didn’t hear it coming and it was like an explosion.
    they have been flying low around here for years

  15. Big Al
    December 14, 2010 at 9:30 am

    Mattole, sorry

  16. Auntie Arkley
    December 14, 2010 at 9:49 am

    The idiot right-wing somehow thinks we are separate from the rest of nature, that somehow we can live on a barren planet! We need to kill these assholes before they kill our planet.

    BTW, whales and dolphin are mammals, not fish! Your ignorance is showing.

  17. tra
    December 14, 2010 at 10:17 am

    “We need to kill these assholes before they kill our planet.”

    So your solution is to call for the mass murder of your political opponents? Really?

    How about “we need to PERSUADE OR OUTVOTE these assholes…”

  18. Big Al
    December 14, 2010 at 10:37 am

    “How about “we need to PERSUADE OR OUTVOTE these assholes…””

    how about outvote, can’t persuade a mind thats all slammed shut.

  19. Anonymous
    December 14, 2010 at 11:07 am

    I’m tempted to go to the meeting just to watch the theatrics.

  20. Big Al
    December 14, 2010 at 11:19 am

    I think we all should when ever possible,
    Bring a snack and it becomes dinner theater!
    Now the question becomes, is it a farce or a tragedy?

  21. Anonymous
    December 14, 2010 at 11:37 am

    We should send all you idiots to the front lines. Then you will understand why training is so necessary.

  22. Anonymous
    December 14, 2010 at 12:45 pm

    I must have been there with you Big Al. The Mattole valley is on one of the military training routes where they also practice infiltration maneuvers. Back in about the mid 80’s we saw a c-130 with a fighter flying in formation under each wing fly up the valley lower than the height of the ridges of the valley and then pull up after a while while the fighters continued up the valley. We loved it and the hippies bitched like crazy. Please send more of those!!!!

  23. Big Al
    December 14, 2010 at 1:30 pm

    flying up the valleys is one thing, bombing baby whales is another…

  24. December 14, 2010 at 1:35 pm

    You know Jeffery the people flying those planes are only performing the mission that we, the nation, give them. It’s really up to us to change the mission. Not to punish or harm our own children, who are only performing their patriotic duty. I know it’s all tongue and cheek, But considering how many of our guys are actually dying, in the performance of an impossible mission, I find it in bad taste.

  25. Anonymous
    December 14, 2010 at 1:56 pm

    Confronting our military and causing them any sort of damage hits me the same as moviedad (they are following orders only. If you want to change the orders, you have to start higher up), and it would result in very very bad trouble for the person dumb enough to try it.

    I have also seen practice runs up Redwood Creek 30 minutes by car from Arcata off 299. It is true. You don’t hear them coming and suddenly this fighter jet streaks past you only a couple of hundred feet above. It’s pretty exciting and impressive.

  26. Bolithio
    December 14, 2010 at 2:22 pm

    bombing baby whales is another…

    lol

  27. Anonymous
    December 14, 2010 at 2:44 pm

    “they are following orders only”

    That was the infamous “Nuremburg defense.”
    It’s no more valid now than it was then.

  28. Anonymous
    December 14, 2010 at 2:48 pm

    Good point again. Especially if you’re equating the Navy’s testing of sonar signals with the eradication of the Jews. I don’t think that’s what you meant but the comparison was so silly I had to bite.

  29. Anonymous
    December 14, 2010 at 3:47 pm

    “Following orders” is a subject quite a bit more complex than hinted above by other commenters.

  30. Anonymous
    December 14, 2010 at 3:59 pm

    Rex “LNG plants are good for Eureka” Bohn has submitted his papers for Eureka City Council Ward 4. What? What?

  31. skippy
    December 14, 2010 at 4:37 pm

    I’m on the fence with this one. No, I don’t want to see sea mammals injured or killed like anyone else in their right mind, and yes, I want a well-trained military for self-defense.

    I’ll go to the meeting tomorrow with an open mind. I appreciate Senator Thompson and the Navy setting this up for our community and citizens to weigh in. I suspect they didn’t have to do this. I’d like to hear what everyone has to say.

    Even though it’s noted above, here’s the meeting info again for those who’ve scrolled down in these comments, as a reminder if you’d like to attend:

    “At the request of Congressman Mike Thompson (D-Napa Valley), representatives from the United States Navy will hold public meetings regarding the Northwest Training Range Complex (NWTRC) on Wednesday, December 15th from 5:00-7:00 pm at the Wharfinger Building in Eureka…”

  32. anonymous#1
    December 14, 2010 at 6:56 pm

    I have seen fighter planes numerous times blasting through the valleys, on the deck, so to speak. Once two of them came by my place in So. Hum. on either side of my house, so low that I looked down on them. They were only 200 or 300 ft. away. My understanding was that they were trying to sneak in under radar and were part of a training exercise for the radar people.
    Be that as it may the training offshore is so old-school. Brainless. True military narrow. Now days all this stuff could be done using computerized simulators. Shit, they simulate nuclear explosions to test the damn things. I think the whole thing is environmentally destructive, a waste of carbon fuels and the taxpayers money. But then isn’t most of what these guys do. Who is the enemy?

  33. anonymous
    December 14, 2010 at 6:59 pm

    The U.S. spends one half of all the money spent for war in the world. Our military is so vastly superior there isn’t another country who even tries to keep up with us.
    Our military fights for our corporate empire. Rather than excusing personnel for “following orders” it’s time to demand they say “I will not be your soldier!” Tell me why our Navy really needs to do this. No don’t. It’s just plain cruel and arrogant.

  34. taxed
    December 14, 2010 at 7:07 pm

    They have killing whales like this for years. There are mass strandings and sightings of whales jumping out of the water trying to get away from the sonar. I remember citizens in Hawaii were protesting against the atrocities inflicted upon the ocean by the Navy. They already know how bombs work so someone is making $. The makers of ammunition, war planes and ships gain in this violence.

  35. pete
    December 14, 2010 at 7:18 pm

    Will this meeting really lead to change. Will they really listen? Is this meeting just to appease the masses? Good luck good people standing up to the all powerful Navy, in trying to save our oceans.

  36. December 14, 2010 at 11:36 pm

    For me to use the “Nuremberg Defense” I would have to believe (stupidly) That the kid flying the jet is somehow more guilty of supporting the imperialist-war-machine, than I am, or you are.
    We are all guilty.

  37. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    December 15, 2010 at 8:39 am

    Northwest Training Range Complex (NWTRC)

    Thoughts:

    1) If this has been around for soooooooo long in the PNW, then how come local officials are out in the cold and dark?

    2) How many years in a row and collectively has the NOAA issued a permit along California Coastal Waters?

    3) How many years now has the likes of higher level State leadership like Mike Thompson, Wes Chesbro, Diane Feinstein, Barbara Boxer, Nancy Pelosi, and many others just DENY OR CARE LESS that these “war games” were occuring?

    4) Has any California jurisdiction ever given CEQA exemptions or DEIR exemptions for these wargames? Heck, were they even included in the impacts from sea to land effects?

    5) What are we fighting under water? Seems to me that the real sophistication and technological advances is to not merely blow-up stuff, but to be able to see what the frack your doing. No reason why the military can’t continue working on devices and equipments to see where they can’t see now under water. Heck twice now, for all I care, they can go to an asteroid to blow-up stuff on their own dime and not the taxpayers’ dime, especially when the food chain that is getting abused, manipulated, damaged and tainted.

    moviedad says:
    December 14, 2010 at 11:36 pm
    For me to use the “Nuremberg Defense” I would have to believe (stupidly) That the kid flying the jet is somehow more guilty of supporting the imperialist-war-machine, than I am, or you are.
    We are all guilty.

    Response: Hmmmm, I can’t help BUT FEEL that the guy in the Jet is more guilty than one not; and, the guy (or gal, sorry ladies) that monetarily finances the deal, well, that person is guilty too.

    Yet, those who have a gun or other means of force pointed at thy heads that politically steal personal/individual scraplings of wealth to funnel into the war machine, but yet for which the one thieved from disagrees with the takings and uses of those takings, then it can’t be the guilt of those good people unless some other over-riding (or under-writing, lol) issue is not openly made known.

    Now, if guilt is by direct victim association of not killing or denying that abusive political thief from taking for the government to create “military guilt trips”, then that is just crazy unacceptible unless schitz has hit the fan. So, what is merely being rationalized is that by being peaceful, one can’t ever be guilty so long as peace is pure.

    Jeffrey Lytle
    McKinleyville – 5th District

  38. High Finance
    December 15, 2010 at 8:43 am

    “imperialist war machine” That is so quaint a phrase.

    Dude, the 60’s are over.

  39. December 15, 2010 at 9:21 am

    Dude, the war machine lives on.

  40. Anonymous
    December 15, 2010 at 10:54 am

    Yeah dude- and it bombs whales.

  41. Sven
    December 15, 2010 at 11:09 am

    The 60’s are over??!?! holy shit, that means it’s 50 years later and some people still support business as usual.

  42. pete
    December 15, 2010 at 11:54 am

    The 60’s are over and we are seeing the outcome of our destructive ways. 50 years later we now realize that the resources and species are disappearing. Good luck to all of you that eat fish tainted with poisons. Good luck to the fishermen watching their business disappear. Watching whales and dolphins writhe in pain doesn’t seem to bother those like HI FI. This whole world is going to come to an end with this attitude. Oh yeah- Hi Fi you have are just a piece of trash in a global takeover by the few elite running the armed forces. You are just rabble to them.

  43. Anonymous
    December 15, 2010 at 11:56 am

    Yeah and thank God the war machine lives on. The war machine is why we are free to post nonsense here and never had to learn to speak Nazi. The war machine is why the Muslims in the old Yugoslavia weren’t annilated. The war machine is why the Jews in Israel weren’t slaughtered. Our war machine stopped saddam from taking over the Middle East oil and keeps South Korea and Taiwan free. We are free today because of our war machine and that is the only thing that keeps us free.

  44. A-Nony-Mouse
    December 15, 2010 at 2:28 pm

    And this is an excuse to use spent uranium shells and other toxic munitions in our coastal waters?
    Hard to believe one is necessary to support the other.
    Maybe the Navy is training to invade Afghanistan???

    Having a strong military does not mean ‘anything goes’ or anything is OK in support of them. A strong military does no good when the planet dries up and dies. There are better ways for the Navy to train.

  45. Anonymous
    December 15, 2010 at 3:03 pm

    Right on A-Nony-Mouse, let them use video games.

  46. Big Al
    December 15, 2010 at 5:41 pm

    word on the street is there is no parking to be had anywhere near the meeting, looking forward to more updates

  47. taxed
    December 15, 2010 at 9:24 pm

    There was a huge crowd at the meeting the crowd was out the door. Good questions asked. The Navy’s messengers had their inadequate evasive answers. Their dog and pony show was pathetic. There is really nothing the Navy could say that would make wrecking the ocean OK.

  48. Anonymous
    December 16, 2010 at 7:05 am

    The dog and pony show met the clown act.

  49. Anonymous
    December 16, 2010 at 11:22 am

    Once again our heroic female elders, and many others, read and spoke volumes of wisdom to the Navy’s flack-catchers.

    Only one Eureka city council member was there, I thought their positions were non-partisan, all should have attended.

    No doubt George Washington, among other U.S. presidents and generals would be screaming to high hell to reign in a military gone wild.

    Only a fool would defend America’s imperial empire and the 750 foreign military bases used to expand it. None survive the test of history.

  50. skippy
    December 16, 2010 at 12:08 pm

    I was at the meeting. Here’s my report:

    Crowded with approximately either side of 400 folks with standing room only at the Wharfinger, 9 Navy public relations representatives presented an hour long session of power-point information, ‘myths vs. facts’, and answering concerns until opening up to questions that continued on for another 3 hours, until 9pm. The Navy representatives were extremely professional, patient, courteous, attentive, and gracious, standing without breaks for the entire 4 hour period, enduring a few unruly and rude outbursts from the crowd. They seemed to be chosen for their expertise on sonar and engineering issues, public relations, working on the Environmental impact Statement, or having many years of naval experience in different capacities. As well as having complete Patience and Grace. Only one was in uniform, the rest attired in civilian wear.

    Many familiar faces were there. Supervisor Lovelace was there, briefly. The sometimes ornery Humboldt crowd, from all geographical areas of the County, walks of life, environmental interest groups, old and young, hip to square, didn’t buy into the Navy’s suppostion that sonar testing and war exercises were acceptable whatsoever; in fact, it was downright damaging to the environment, sea life, and mammals in a number of ways. The audience made many good arguments and pointed out contradictions in this regard. I, myself, was swayed and do believe there are damaging effects of sonar which aren’t fully known or disclosed; on the other hand, the Navy has gone through many mitigating procedures and reports coupled with marine research to avoid the killing– or ‘taking’– of sea life. Unfortunately, it’s not a perfect fit.

    Many took notes and recorded the meeting. Although the ground rule was to pose questions to the Navy in a two minute format, many passionate and concerned folks chose to address the audience with tedious 8-12 minute diatribes of points, subjecture, opinion, or far-flung loosely-associated bits of fantasy, with occasional (and prejudicial) questions of import asked. Give some folks a microphone and watch one gallop down a merry cattle trail unto themselves towards deliberately self-styled agendas, jumping to conclusions, flying off the handle, and going off on wild goose chases. They were certainly preaching to the choir as evidenced by fellow compadres’ cheering and clapping for the suporting cause. Only one fellow in the audience supported the Navy maintaining military preparedness; he was met with stone-walled silence and groans.

    A young girl on either side of ten years old asked nicely and cogently, ‘Do you have a choice of using sonar testing?’ She was respectfully and politely told ‘No’ by the reps with an explanation. A small group of misguided teens sporting mohawks, piercings, and Doc Marten boots timidly passed out anarchist brochures. One interrupted the speakers repeatedly only to alternately apologize. Another audience member with the cherry red nose and bloated cheeks continually blurted out in seemingly drunken fashion, ‘Why!? Why!!?’ every few minutes. There were, of course, the usual theatrics: A fellow in a Commodore’s uniform addressing the crowd while another posing as Uncle Sam gave the Navy reps booklets on the Constitution (graciously accepted and put into back pockets). They didn’t add much of anything relevant or important, but were certainly colorful.

    One individual in camo gear said he ‘Knew the Navy!’ because, as he asserted, ‘They ran over Brian Wilson’s legs… with a train! So, I know the Navy!’; further stating he also factually knew that spies and infiltrators were being placed in our Humboldt community to report on our uppity populace as exercises commenced. I like Brian Wilson and what he stood up for and sacrificed, but I truly doubt the young questioner purportedly knew the Navy as much as the Navy representatives knew themselves here. Perhaps it was the marijuana.

    Another concerend citizen opined ‘of how the exercises lead to toxins in our fatty tissues leading to diseases she didn’t want to say out loud because she didn’t want to promote them’, snorting, breathing, sighing, and pausing angrily into the microphone for effect. It reminded me of my grandmother who had to whisper such terrible words as ‘diarrhea’… lest someone catch it. Another speaker stated the Navy should promote strength through environmental awareness and peace so we would be respected by other nations; another, that we should connect to sea mammals on a metaphysical level as fellow sentient beings. Some members freaked hearing small military trainings have been occuring off our coast for 60 years now– or that fighter jets jettison unspent fuel into the air before landing on their carriers.

    At the end of the meeting the few remaining crowd members who hadn’t left congratulated itself. For standing up to the Navy, for saying ‘Hell, no!’, for undertaking this for both the cause, the people, and sea life everywhere, for feeling they had somehow made some kind of difference. I doubt anyone’s hearts and minds were changed on either side, quite frankly.

    My thought was that while most folks were well-behaved, they were throughly entrenched, hardened, and often times terribly misinformed. Believing what they hear through hearsay, the Internet, and generally what truly belongs within the ranks of a good conspiracy novel, the meeting was truly a Humboldt Drama unfolding into true blossom. Those staying on the script generally co-opted the meeting, a few being reasonable and realistic, others having a difficult time making clear and logical associations aside from personal sentiments and resentments, and yet still a rare few acting like liberal fascists or burned-out-long-ago clowns. I truly wish they had their act a little more together and stayed on point. And the two minute limit.

    The Navy, as professional and patient as they remained, must view Humboldt is that unique geographical area full of passionate and concerned loons, kooks, fools, and brainwashed semi-and-overly literate idiots going off half-cocked depending on whatever cannabis whims are blowing in the wind at any given time. They’d be right in part, although never giving an inkling of it.

    Perhaps it’s the rural isolation and our love for all things natural and divine. I love my community and it’s beautiful diversity, as much as that of the ocean. Our community certainly gave the Navy a very direct message.

    (Sorry so long, folks. I hope you find this somewhat interesting… and a bit biased on my part as an observer. My bad!)

  51. Anonymous
    December 16, 2010 at 12:27 pm

    How idealistic of you. Try reading the newspapers to familiarize yourself with the global situation we’re faced with. Perhaps we could meet the realities and threats posed world wide with a neat little costume party and emotional rantings and our heroic female elders could speak volumes to all those world wide that want our heads rolling in the streets.

  52. High Finance
    December 16, 2010 at 12:29 pm

    That sounds a lot like they said back in the early 30’s and then they cut the military way back.

    How did that work out for them?

  53. David Isley
    December 16, 2010 at 12:53 pm

    “The 60′s are over??!?! holy shit, that means it’s 50 years later and some people still support business as usual.”
    Right you are, Sven.
    Pax Americana is repeatig the same failed poilicies of former empires,(the now less than ‘great’)Britain,Rome,Holy Roman,Spain and others.
    Spend any and everything to invade and conquer, enrich a few exclusive groups (ie ,corporations)and squander the nation’s resources and people in the process.
    Albert Speer made this observation when he toured the captured British Expedition at Dunkirk-poorly nourished young enlishman, bad teeth,thin and out of shape.THAT was the standing army of the world’s greatest empire.
    The united states has been lurking in the shadows of empire since day one-invasions of canada,latin american countires (“our backyard” is someone else’s “front yard”), the Phillipines, Hawaii,Panama Canal,Cuba, Haiti…..and the idiotic stockholders,blind nationalists,and religious fanatics all wrap themselves up in the flag calling for more.
    Hell, Israel is little more than an overseas military base dependent on hundreds of millions of u.s. military credits and zero intrest loans in order to fight-off slingshot wielding teenagers.
    We’ve now reached the point having to openly invade soverign nations for the purpose of feeding out bloated war machine-the united states military apparatus is the single largest consumer of fossil fuels and has been for over 20 years.

  54. anonymous
    December 16, 2010 at 5:35 pm

    Skippy didn’t you admit that you didn’t know much about this subject? Wow, you certainly have an opinion now. You should study up on this subject a little more. If you did some research on this without the Navy’s slant only- you would be upset about what has been happening in our oceans.

  55. Anonymous
    December 16, 2010 at 9:55 pm

    Our resident demagogue oozed-out again for his beating.

    We must either fully fund all 750 foreign military bases and occupy other nations or “it’s the 1930’s again”!???

    More idiotic drivel from a fool who couldn’t name half the 24 nations the U.S. bombed, without Congressional declarations of war, since WWII. An ignorance manufactured by a complicit media that enabled Bush the Second to claim, “they hate us for our freedoms”.

    Chain of Fools.

  56. I Was There Too
    December 16, 2010 at 10:40 pm

    It’s the oldest trick in the book to discredit an event from the exceptional bad-actors. Many protesters came well-armed with scientific references.

    When members of the Chamber of Commerce, Rotary, or the Ingomar rise to their feet to speak in tongues, (that baseless, flag-waving, ill-defined homage for more high profit big boxes and sprawl; codewords: “growth that benefits everyone”), more members than you think squirm in our seats from the volumes of contradictory economic research.

    However, unlike the Navy-protesters, our “loons, Kooks and fools” are this areas most connected speculators, profiteers, and political insiders. And like the Navy representatives, it could cost our careers to show our true feelings.

    This is how change lags so far behind knowledge in America, especially in Eureka and Humboldt County.

  57. skippy
    December 16, 2010 at 11:27 pm

    Thank you, anon @5:35. I believe what was said previously @4:37 was that ‘I was on the fence… and going to the meeting with an open mind’… not that, in your words, ‘admitted I didn’t know much on the subject…(and took) the Navy’s slant only.’

    Now, where did that come from? Reporting I was admittedly swayed and believing sonar use is indeed damaging to mammals would hardly support that premise.

    Our small rag-tag mosquito fleet might have thought they roared by putting forth their best effort, but it was sorely lacking compared to what we could’ve done. Believe me, I wanted so much more out of our dear Humboldt–but it pitifully and painfully just wasn’t there– for the reasons noted. We can do much better… and we should.

  58. December 17, 2010 at 4:13 am

    Gosh,it’s always the same with these guys. They take whatever you say, interpret it through their own flawed reasoning, and then apply to it some False-cause fallacy. After that’s done, you are told what your thought/belief/position actually is. Then of course it is very easy to show how you wickedly despise all that is good and pure.
    Get therapy Neo-Con. See a doctor, or better yet; see a veteran.
    Listen up New-anti-American-Centurion. People who are not jingoistic-driven simpletons, know that geo-political issues are complex. They know that domestic issues are complex. Sometimes the solutions are simple; sometimes they are not.
    Our military is one giant weapon. It can be used for good. It isn’t being used for good.
    The military is filled with our people. They will perform whatever task we give them. The rich of this country have given them the task of stealing the world’s resources. They’ve made our people accessories to crimes against humanity. We are all complicit in this. We all benefit from the death and destruction of the innocent.
    Because Americans listen to propaganda with such itchy-ears, they can tell themselves they are apart. They are not guilty like those terrible military people, or those terrible billionaires, or the millionaires/politicians. this is why we have no constitutional revolution. Because when they see photos or film of dead children, they don’t say “I am responsible for this happening, I am letting this happen day after day, and year after year.”
    But, they don’t see those photos, they keep the blinders on. When they hear evidence of the chilling ice-cold murder of people defending their homes and families, they go after the person who dared put the truth on their web-site. We are a Gangster-Nation, just like Nazi-Germany was a Gangster-Nation. And this time there is no democratic super-power to save the world.

  59. Dont be fooled again
    December 17, 2010 at 6:36 am

    moviedad! That is one depressing world view! Though there is some truth in what you wrote above and it is very serious and very troubling, I am glad to know that there is a larger truth which is perfect beyond our understanding. If I were to take this life and the problems associated with it too seriously, I’d go stark raving mad. (Hey, I think I may have just explained the root of much of the fervor constantly blathered on this blog!) I’m grateful that I can step back and consider creation in its entirety (in my own limited way) and my groovy little place in it. Your point that we are all guilty of these heinous crimes simply because we are born in a particular place is very similar to the notion of original sin. By that logic I should probably ground my kids for their part in global warming. They have ridden in my truck many times without staging a revolution. In fact my son wants to drive! Heartless Bastard!

  60. Secret History II
    December 17, 2010 at 12:23 pm

    Perhaps many of you probably didn’t know this area wasn’t a safe place during the “Cold War” and probably still isn’t now. The area was a target slated for nuclear attack due to the now defunct Navy Listening Station at Centerville, the array of antennae on Trinidad Head that was part of the Military Communications Network, and more importantly, if the U.S. came under attack Trinidad Head our coast would be the reassembly point for the Navy’s West Coast Fleet. This is always a possibility again.

    I won’t get into our further history– why the WWII bunkers were built on the jetty, military and naval observation from the Arcata airport, Japanese subs sighted and balloon firebombs drifting into Oregon’s forests…

    Let’s not be too complacent here on the West Coast given our history. Keep it all in fair comparison and balance.

  61. Anonymous
    December 17, 2010 at 1:41 pm

    I remember the 60’s when the fishing around here was booming. Poor starving SOBs like me asked how we could get into the fishing business as highly paid grunts and we were told unless you have an uncle or brother or father in the fishing business, you don’t stand a chance of getting in. So you see my darlings, when they talk about “our fishing industry” you and I are not included.

  62. 344thBrother
    December 17, 2010 at 4:26 pm

    Pretty good report Skip. I thought you covered the meeting well and your reportage was amusing yet insightful.

    I’d be curious to know if anyone brought up the Navy’s proposal to NOAA to allow them to “TAKE 11.7 Million Sea Mammals”? To me that pretty much says it all.

    Keep em comin pard
    d

  63. skippy
    December 17, 2010 at 6:50 pm

    Thank you, 344th Brother. And for Heraldo’s patience allowing the long post to begin with.

    I– and most of our readers– didn’t know about the take of 11.7m mammals. Do you have a reference source? This is pretty significant and important news.

    A fairly decent and short 4 1/2 minute video by SF news station KGO-TV (ABC network) explaining some of the pros and cons related to both the Navy meeting and training exercises is here. It’s a good and balanced primer/refresher for the readers and I appreciated Congressman Mike Thompson’s input:

    http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/assignment_7&id=7838655

    …But be sure to return back to the Humboldt Herald!

  64. taxed
    December 17, 2010 at 7:13 pm

    Last nights news clip of the Navy’s main mouth, made a comment that the 11.7 million was not right. I forget his exact words but they were meant to deceive, such as no MANDATE to kill. He didn’t admit that they would have incidental death of the animals. Could end up being way more than that Number. They do not follow the whales and dolphins to see if they die after they have been disturbed. They do not count the dead fish and ruined breeding grounds. These large mammals have sonar and are affected many miles away from where the Navy can see them.

  65. Mission Accomplished
    December 19, 2010 at 1:22 pm

    The point is to get the Navy’s testing and training in the papers, on the TV, and with any luck, fill communities with controversy to milk the issue. It’s all propaganda. They can’t afford to run these ships for long, so they’re making a big deal of it. There will be plenty of jets making noise.

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