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POSTPONED: Jefferson school purchase hits wall

Got years of work into improving your neighborhood? Don't expect any support from this guy.

The City of Eureka will postpone purchase of Jefferson School — whatever that means — while City Manager Dave Tyson says he will go ahead with the escrow process.

The Jefferson issue dominated Tuesday’s City Council meeting until after 9pm, with about thirty residents speaking in favor of moving forward with the purchase that has been in the works for some 2 1/2 years.  Representatives from Arcata Charter school Fuente Nueva said they are interested in the school and would provide education services for more than 100 children.

Several speakers said the outpouring of support for the school was heartwarming and that they’d never seen anything like it.

But new Council members Mike Newman and Marian Brady are apparently convinced that College of the Redwoods has money and plans to fix the school and make a viable project — yet no one from CR came to the meeting.

The new council members said they want a guaranteed and complete business plan before approving the purchase, but councilwoman Linda Atkins called it a chicken and egg issue.

“Until we have site control you can’t finalize all these plans,” Atkins said.

Some residents walked out of the meeting after Council Mike Newman said the project couldn’t be completed quickly enough, and that money for the school would come out of the General Fund.  Jefferson supporters voiced their disagreement before leaving.

Mayor Frank Jager, who campaigned on his ability to bring opposing sides together, let the newbies express their ignorance about the years-long process but didn’t attempt to help them catch up.  Jager was part of the unanimous vote to move forward with the purchase in September, but his political allies are leading the charge against the project.

  1. Eric Kirk
    December 21, 2010 at 10:22 pm

    It does seem to be playing out like Republicans on the national level who first dreamed up concepts like Cap and Trade and the universal health care mandate, but oppose them now that political winds have changed. And it is a bit chickens–t to pull this after the election. But that’s what elections are about I guess. Buyer beware.

  2. Goldie
    December 21, 2010 at 10:22 pm

    Mike Newman says the funds for the purchase will come out of the general fund? Why would he say that? The purchase will come from Redevelopment money or from third party funding. Was his simply using the wrong word, a slip of the tongue or has he no clue about what he is talking about?

  3. Anonymous
    December 21, 2010 at 10:24 pm

    Heraldo,could you spin this any more slanted your way? Lets see the articles in tomorrows Times Standard, and lets look at the posting of the general population in the City of Eureka; and you will see that you (and your fellow bloggers) need to pull your heads out of your ass long enough to take a breathe of fresh air; and realize that your at best; a 10% minority viewpoint.
    Of course you have the right to express your point of view; but stop whining, and figure out how to make a difference. Whining is not getting it done.

  4. December 21, 2010 at 10:27 pm

    Was his simply using the wrong word, a slip of the tongue or has he no clue about what he is talking about?

    They were all pretty open about being clueless. In fact they appeared to be hiding behind an aura of gee golly gosh we just don’t know about all this complicated stuff.

    Atkins said new council members are acting like everyone who worked on this didn’t have a brain in their head.

  5. Eric Kirk
    December 21, 2010 at 10:28 pm

    Whining is not getting it done.

    It sure works for some people. It killed the public option for instance.

  6. December 21, 2010 at 10:28 pm

    10% minority viewpoint.

    You must have missed the meeting. The support was overwhelming.

  7. Goldie
    December 21, 2010 at 10:34 pm

    Heidi sent each council member a packet of a professionally complied report on how very viable the project is. It is so solid that it would be attractive to third party funding.
    Perhaps the newcomers could read up on this subject and from an educated opinion. Their ignorance is very costly.
    Is CR interested again in the site? No one but the new members of the city counsel knows about it. Are the members of the counsel also clueless about the Brown Act?

  8. Anonymous
    December 21, 2010 at 10:36 pm

    Nice try H. Showing up at a council meeting is not the end all endorsement. Try again!

  9. Reporta
    December 21, 2010 at 10:36 pm

    I said it once, I’ll say it again. During the election season, when the Jefferson School Committee had a pow-wow in City Hall about what to do, which was attended by Larry Glass, Frank Jager, and Jeff Leonard, Ron Kuhnel and Xandra Manns, Marian Brady and Mike Newman roll up hours late at the end because they were attending a fundraiser.

    Brady then had the audacity to criticize to me, not the organizers, about how they blew off the CR deal and were unwilling to compromise. Seems to me that Brady and Newman cared more about raising money and rubbing elbows with Eureka’s elite than listen to the concerns of a group of constituents.

  10. Henderson Center resident and Jefferson neighborhood supporter
    December 21, 2010 at 10:37 pm

    It was mostly predictable but a few encouraging moments for the Jefferson School neighborhood.

    Lance was very supportive and interested in the charter school idea … it sounded like he hadn’t heard about it before.

    Marian said something like maybe C-R could come up with a plan that would look like 90 percent of what the Jefferson neighbors wanted — compromise was the word she used, I think.

    I’m not sure what Newman said.

    Did anyone else notice that even those who tried to speak against the neighbors’ plan spent their first couple of minutes talking about how they loved children and parks and then spent their last seconds saying how it wouldn’t work without CR?

  11. A-Nony-Mouse
    December 21, 2010 at 10:43 pm

    Newman showed a serious lack of respect for the public, the hard work of the Jefferson Neighborhood, and our collective intelligence. He simply lied to our faces. He clearly demonstrated that he had not heard a word that was said during the hearing. He has obviously made NO effort at all to study and learn about the project proposal. His mind was made up and CR was IT! Never mind that the ONLY one at CR who wants this is Jeff Marsee who has little respect among his colleagues and employees. It’s unclear what Newman is trying to get out of all of this. Any other city in the country, when presented with such a thoughtful and thoroughly worked out plan that would actually MAKE MONEY for the city, would leap for joy and embrace it.
    Newman does not have any understanding of the concepts of civic pride or connection to community. Maybe that’s because he has NO roots in where he lives now.
    It’s going to be a LONG four years.

  12. Anonymous
    December 21, 2010 at 10:47 pm

    So do something about it Mouse! Since your so sure that “any other city in the country would leap for joy and embrace it” then clearly everyone else is wrong and your right.

    Do something about it other than whining. Make a difference beyond casting stones.

  13. Goldie
    December 21, 2010 at 10:49 pm

    The people who have worked so hard to put together a plan and funding for this property in such a way that it provides profit and property for the city and jobs for those in the community and a place for kids to play are not enemy combatants. They are NEIGHBORS…. why is the city fighting them?

  14. iPhone Prog. Liberal
    December 21, 2010 at 10:54 pm

    Remember we could always recall them all.

  15. Yo Yo
    December 21, 2010 at 10:55 pm

    Yo, Anon 10:24,
    Are you suggesting that the Topix postings associated with T-S stories represent, what was it, “the general population in the City of Eureka.” If that’s the case we’re all in deep doo-doo because Topix is a complete cesspool.

  16. A-Nony-Mouse
    December 21, 2010 at 10:57 pm

    Who pays this “Anonymous” guy? He has no idea what I contribute.

    Goldie has made the best point of the night. Why IS the City fighting its own citizens?

    Newman also showed great disrespect for the previous Council with “my idea is better than anything the community could come up with”. The previous Council sure must have been dumb, huh, Mike?

  17. anonymous
    December 21, 2010 at 11:03 pm

    This is just an example if the complete disregard of the whole west side and it’s residents. Interesting how Jeff Smith who is Chairman of the county planning commission, on the Eureka Redevelopment agency and until last year was CFO of Danco was there. He was asked back for another time during the comment unlike other speakers. The west-side was duped into changing the school zoning from public to Multi-family. I can see more low income housing by coming our way. This is how corrupt this town is. This conflict of interest seems not to be known or just covered up.

  18. December 21, 2010 at 11:05 pm

    You get what you vote for.

  19. Anonymous
    December 21, 2010 at 11:06 pm

    Your still whining Mouse! Larry Glass also said on the radio that “sophistication of the voters is lacking; they were fooled; and they were not paying attention:!
    Perhaps that’s a bit of disrespect for everyone that voted!

    But of course, we can always grab a “quote” and make anyone look dumb!

  20. ReGifting
    December 21, 2010 at 11:06 pm

    Here is an old post on this topic. I regift you with it:
    Anonymous says:
    December 20, 2010 at 1:46 pm

    Here’s the real Jefferson Deal, Big Fat Elephant, you’ve got 2 flat buildable acres, the city already tried sliming the zoning change through the planning commission to multi family, there are 20 oversized city lots and room for an alley, at 80K each for the dirt alone that is 1.6 mil, with a 2 unit $175,000 share a wall town house on each that is 350,000 X 20, hmm $7 million AND it costs about 1/2 that to build,THAT MY FRIENDS IS 100% RETURN ON YOUR MONEY invest 3.5 mil get back 7 (on credit opm, short term construction loans, more good ole’s to arrange that), oh yes and subsidizable because we need affordable housing and we are already in bed with the city, nice and lubed up with a puppet council, big fat money making profit for developers laying in wait, yucking it up at the chamber,eureka rotary, and the ingomar.

    This is a real estate deal saved for the good old boys and some idiots want to use it to serve the public, somebody go set them straight, that is not how things work around here.

    If in fact CR is still interested it is to inventory that property, use temporary Workforce investment Act funding to churn as many students through as they can for ADA, they are not hiring educators they are hiring temps, professionals in the community to come in and teach their craft for a week at a time, this is not creating any jobs, the building is a temporary holding facility to churn through ARRA funds and ADA, TAX MONEY YOU HYPOCRITS , then they (and it is undoubtedly already planned) will flip it to the developer laying in wait. Come on hi fi, come on you Fucks weigh in on the TRUTH!!!!!!!!!!! Oh wait you are all still at Rotary, this can be your dessert!!!!!!!!!

  21. Anonymous
    December 21, 2010 at 11:07 pm

    Topix is a complete cesspool.

    Look where you posted that comment. Pot, kettle, black.

  22. pete
    December 21, 2010 at 11:09 pm

    Don’t you just love it! They have redevelopment money for The Serenity Inn and other halfway houses. But no money for a park and charter school.

  23. Henderson Center resident and Jefferson neighborhood supporter
    December 21, 2010 at 11:11 pm

    A lot of people didn’t vote for this. And it was obvious tonight those who were elected had no idea what they were getting themselves into. No idea.

    Lance knows … but he really wasn’t voted in.

  24. Big Al
    December 21, 2010 at 11:18 pm

    I didn’t vote for this!
    Frank isn’t ready to run a meeting (staff had to guide them thru the process, Virginia was much better)
    Brady didn’t know to recuse herself,
    having Tyson’s contract renewal on the consent calendar suggests it was a done deal, either a brown act violation or a serial meeting…
    it’s starting to look like a recall is a good idea.
    I don’t want to say who Newman’s look reminds me of…

  25. conflicts of interest.
    December 21, 2010 at 11:19 pm

    Why hasn’t Jeff Smith been outed about his conflict of interests. This place is even more corrupt than it’s reputation.

  26. A-Nony-Mouse
    December 21, 2010 at 11:21 pm

    Anonymous, I think tonight’s meeting proved Larry’s point. And I would extend it to the new councilmembers themselves. I agree with HCsraJnss above. Except for Lance, they acted and sounded like they had no idea what was coming.

  27. A-Nony-Mouse
    December 21, 2010 at 11:27 pm

    Meeting #1
    Newman asks for postponement of JeffersonSchool purchase (an Action Item) during Council Reports
    Brown Act?

    Meeting #2
    Tyson contract appears under “consent calendar”
    already agreed to? Brown Act?

    Brady seconds motion to give funds to Chamber of Commerce. Motion is withdrawn for clarification.
    Potential Conflict of interest?

    But who’s keeping score?

  28. Big Al
    December 21, 2010 at 11:34 pm

    hand puppets or marionettes?
    (one has a hand up it)
    seems like they are trying to give us a fister

  29. clueless council
    December 21, 2010 at 11:53 pm

    Will Frank ever remember to turn on the microphone? It seemed he did let the microphone run out for some but not Mike Smith. Poor Brady didn’t know what recusing meant. Lots of learning to smooth this bunch out. Not much hope for the slimy one with the mustache.

  30. Anonymous
    December 22, 2010 at 12:00 am

    I think the name is Jeff Smith.

  31. Anonymous
    December 22, 2010 at 12:20 am

    But no money for a park and charter school.

    Three points.

    1. Charter schools are public schools with special privileges that are bleeding our traditional public schools dry.

    2. The original intent of charter schools was to experiment with alternate learning methods and then incorporate successful models into the traditional schools. That notion has been nixed in favor of killing traditional schools.

    3. Charter schools are supposed to stand on their own, without public handouts. As an experiment in education, if they can’t start up, they probably shouldn’t exist.

  32. thanks regifter
    December 22, 2010 at 12:29 am

    Thanks re-gifter starting to make sense yet ya’ll? And we’ve got a Danco insider as their cheerleeder. And, he’s holding Marian Brady’s hand and personally coaching her dumb ass through this. This fucking city is in an incredibly sad state of affairs when its council is so arrogant it doesn’t even care to study up to hide it ignorance. Impunity, nothing you can do about it. See that room tonight? see the KIEM polls, now does anyone think there may be something wrong with the election returns. This city is filthy, stinking, corrupt, fraudridden, oppressive, bought and paid for. Just wait you aint seen nothing yet. Unsophisticated? wrong word, just plain fucking stupid!

  33. stingerhawk
    December 22, 2010 at 12:56 am

    The city council wants out so they put it off so ecs gets tired of waiting and takes the 1st person with cash in hand and the city avoids a lawsuit from ecs for backing out of the deal or the westside neighbors!For the same thing!! CR is going to stay far from Jefferson for fear of being sued to stop them from putting campus there!I also see someone asking the grand jury to look into way escrow was not closed long before now!!and was tyson up to some funny bussiness with it taking so long?? bottom line its a money pit and the new city council does not to be stuck with it!!

  34. Matt
    December 22, 2010 at 3:51 am

    So what’s changed? The plan was good enough for the former council to approve it unanimously, and now just a few months later, the plan is no good? Did the plan change??!

    How’s Brady doing so far representing her constituents in the first ward?

  35. Dont be fooled again
    December 22, 2010 at 6:07 am

    Newman and Brady are blowing it right out of the gate! They demonstrate a terrific lack of integrity by trying to reverse the decision of the previous council. I don’t understand how they can make the argument that the city should not move forward because the community group lacks a business plan with hard numbers and that CR is better suited to execute a project. Heidi Benzonelli was right there with all the research and data compiled. CR didn’t even show up to express interest, much less “hard numbers.” Makes Brady’s comment that Linda has inside knowledge about CR’s financial situation seem very disingenuous.

  36. Dont be fooled again
    December 22, 2010 at 6:07 am

    RE: ReGifting December 21, 2010 at 11:06 pm; I can’t speak to what goes down at the Ingomar Club or the Chamber of Commerce, but Rotary is one of the finest service orginaztions in Eureka and throughout the world. On the whole the three Rotary clubs in town have donated countless hours and millions of dollars toward the betterment of our community and the health and welfare of the people in it. You proably have no idea of all the good that has come out of these clubs, (and is still coming) because they prefer to spend their time, money and energy producing constuctive humanitarian works rather than promoting their accomplishements. If you don’t believe me ask Heidi Benzonelli. She is herself a fine Rotarian.

  37. Plain Jane
    December 22, 2010 at 6:11 am

    Is anyone surprised that Newman and Brady aren’t ready for prime time?

  38. Dont be fooled again
    December 22, 2010 at 7:00 am

    Pig in a poke? Leo has a pair accusing the community group of dishonesty. Besides, I thought conspiracy theories were for progs!

  39. Anonymous
    December 22, 2010 at 7:27 am

    Looks like they’re learning fast PJ.

  40. ReGifting
    December 22, 2010 at 7:30 am

    Yes, Rotary does a great deal of good. I reposted a comment someone else made because I felt it might explain why the city was turning down a viable plan to bring a discarded building to life, give kids a place to play, and produce jobs and profit for the city.

  41. December 22, 2010 at 7:48 am

    I have warned since his name first came on the scene that Newwwwwwman is a pompous,d-bag that has no business being involved in politics. This is all to stoke his ego and help get chicks. If you thought tyson/bass had a fun fiasco,wait until tyson/newman go on the prowl while out of town at our expense.

  42. Fed-up
    December 22, 2010 at 8:19 am

    I hope letters are being written and sent to the Journal as well as the Times-Standard. Mike Newman did not hear a single word that was said last night-he did not hear any information, did not absorb a single fact that was given, he reiterated false statements and speaking points that were written for him. Get these thoughts and ideas out to the general public-they need to know that Adolf Newman’s values are not representative of theirs.

  43. Anonymous
    December 22, 2010 at 8:36 am

    I think Rotary will go down in history for their part nearly eradicating polio.

  44. Anonymous
    December 22, 2010 at 8:38 am

    This charter school is a joke. The “principal” pulled the 120 student number out of her ass. This is an Arcata Sch District charter school & their Arcata location has a much smaller number.

    So how much rent have they contracted to pay? What happens if they only get 30 students? The question remains as to where does the $2.5 million dollars to rehab the building come from?

    Should the Eureka city council be in the business of hurting the Eureka school district to benefit the Arcata school district? What happens if the city spends $3.1 million dollars of taxpayer dollars & this shaky charter school gives up the idea?

    Are you aware, that if this Arcata charter school actually got 120 kids, that eight Eureka teachers would have to be fired to pay for the loss of the children to Eureka?

  45. Goldie
    December 22, 2010 at 8:49 am

    Fuente Nueva is a top rate school and attended by many children from Eureka.
    They can not at this time contract to pay rent because there is no legal owner to make a contract with. You can not rent out a home you do not own.
    No one is asking the city to pay for the repairs and bringing the building up to code that expense will be met by grants and possibility third party funding.
    There is a great deal of effort put forth to make people think this purchase is going to be costly to the city of Eureka when the opposite is true.

  46. anonymous
    December 22, 2010 at 8:56 am

    Anonymous 8:38:
    Well, even Jeff Smith said last night the kids live in Eureka but they don’t go to school here. This charter school may be just what disaffected parents are looking for and they’ll come back. It’s time to make the ECS accountable for its loss of students. I’m thankful for the letters to the editor from the teachers’ union rebutting some of the administration’s decisions. Their commitment to good education is the only thing going for ECS IMO.
    Loss of teaching jobs? Who do you think is going to teach at the charter school?

  47. ann
    December 22, 2010 at 9:04 am

    Linda Atkins is really exposing herself to be an intellectual lightweight.
    Why don’t the progs gets it? We can’t afford this.
    Let Arkley do it. He will do it right!!!

  48. Fed-up
    December 22, 2010 at 9:04 am

    8 teachers would be fired. Are you trying to use your fear tactics to overcompensate for your lack of knowledge? Communities should support education, and should give students the foundation needed to live successful lives.

  49. Anonymous
    December 22, 2010 at 9:11 am

    The funding is not in place to do the project AFTER the purchase. Secure the funding, and then you might have something.

  50. Plain Jane
    December 22, 2010 at 9:23 am

    Did Arkley hire more people to cheer for him, or just reassign some for this project?

  51. Anonymous
    December 22, 2010 at 9:27 am

    Interesting question, but as usual PJ, does nothing to address the issue.

    Concept is noble (redevelop an old school and upgrade the area); seems to be the right thing to do; but where is the money.

    Pretty simple concept. Kudos to Newman for asking the question and demanding answers.

  52. Mary
    December 22, 2010 at 9:32 am

    8.56pm and Fed-up.

    Funding comes from the state per the average daily attendence. If Eureka really did lose 120 students they would lose about $700,000 to the Arcata Sch district. That $700,000 would cause them to lay off at least 10-15 teachers because of fewer funds.

    Meanwhile the Arcata Charter School would probably hire only five teachers. The children of a charter school that small would have to suffer many combination classes.

    At the same time class size averages would have to raise in Eureka schools because of the loss of 10-15 teachers.

    And yes, I am a teacher in the Eureka school district. While my job is safe, those of many I know would not be. My children also attend Eureka schools and I don’t want them to suffer in order to benefit Arcata.

    I question the agenda of Heidi Benzonolli, she doesn’t even live in Eureka.

  53. Anonymous
    December 22, 2010 at 9:38 am

    Not really wrote:
    No Ray, the money needed to bring the property to code will come from grants and funding.

    Not good enough. You don’t spend taxpayer dollars on initiating a project that requires unknown millions of dollars to get off the ground. No Business Plan? Relying on grants and “funding” that doesn’t really exist?

    When talking about purchasing Jefferson school, we are talking about at least 3 million dollars to begin (500,000 for the purchase, 2,500,000 for the repair)

    This is unwise. Brazenly mad and basically: Crazy.

  54. Anonymous
    December 22, 2010 at 9:49 am

    It was a bad idea, still is. From reading the comments above which seem to mainly be personal insults that the arguments in favor are still sketchy. Show us how it pencils out in the long run please. Vicious insults still don’t count as compelling well reasoned arguments.

  55. Jefferson School neighbor
    December 22, 2010 at 10:08 am

    We who live in the Jefferson School neighborhood have learned to be suspicious. I fear the scenario that ReGifting suggests. We have seen how developers and others who make money off the poor have blighted our neighborhood. How many low cost housing units does one neighborhood need? How many treatment facilities and satellite houses for the mentally ill? The poor are the victims of a system that intentionally seeks to create a ghetto. We will be watching closely what happens to Jefferson School, and we will not just be quiet.

  56. December 22, 2010 at 10:22 am

    CR would be crazy to strong arm its way into a neighborhood that doesn’t want a satellite campus there. Newman’s name is mud after this stunt. We will see if CR wants to be painted with the same brush.

  57. Anonymous
    December 22, 2010 at 10:27 am

    ann is proving herself to be an intellectual joke. let arkley do it-he’ll do it right? has he done the marina center project right? he won’t even submit the information asked for! you are a joke ann! go over the script that you’ve been handed because I’m sure that you are missing a few of the talking points that randy gans has highlighted for you! speak on truth not speculation!

  58. Anonymous
    December 22, 2010 at 10:34 am

    Kudos to the new city council for standing up to a small and noisy special interest group.

    Keep asking the tough questions & resist spending taxpayer dollars on foolish projects.

    Mike Newman, Sarah Brady and Lance Madsen deserve a mini “Profiles in Courage” award.

  59. anonymous
    December 22, 2010 at 10:43 am

    Anonymous at 10:34
    This isn’t a small and noisy special interest group. From my experience this is supported by most in Eureka. I took a petition for the Jefferson School project around my neighborhood and only 2 out of 19 people refused to sign. I live on the east side of town.

  60. December 22, 2010 at 10:44 am

    Sarah Brady

    Marsha, Marsha, Marsha!

    Neighborhoods are now “special interest groups.” That’s rich. Why would anyone want to buy a home in Eureka

  61. Anonymous
    December 22, 2010 at 10:46 am

    you don’t even know their names! that’s hilarious! wow, you really are an informed voter! newman, brady, and madsen deserve to humg by the telephone pole by their underwear while we throw snowballs at them. Public shaming is what they have earned! what an embarassment they are!

  62. Living In Eureka
    December 22, 2010 at 10:58 am

    Not only does Heidi live in Eureka, she own several houses in Eureka. You should ask yourself, “why is it that people would rather place their children in ANY SCHOOL OTHER THAN ONE IN EUREKA??????????

  63. Anonymous
    December 22, 2010 at 10:58 am

    10:46, their position on Jefferson wasn’t a secret during their campaigns. They were elected to do this and other things you probably don’t like. To call them an embarrassment means you don’t understand you hold the minority opinion among Eureka voters.

  64. Anonymous
    December 22, 2010 at 11:07 am

    “CR would be crazy to strong arm its way into a neighborhood…”

    There’s something fishy here that smells like collusion between CR’s president at the council.

    A simple walk around CR’s main campus and classrooms provides evidence of the abundance of maintenance issues that should be addressed by the local bond money. Additionally, the current cap on enrollment growth and class cut backs would lead any rational person to conclude that the college should concentrate their efforts on existing campuses.

    However, the current college president is not known for rational behavior. Hopefully the Board we have entrusted with CR will rein him (and this fishy business) in. Hopefully county taxpayers will question how their bond funds are being spent – in the same way that there was outrage about how EHS bond funds were spent.

  65. Big Al
    December 22, 2010 at 11:13 am

    Sorry I missed going last night (kids got me sick) but I was able to watch on tv.
    We should all go to the council meetings and voice our opinions, that is how the “system” works.

    It is obvious that some of the council members are irritated by the public presence and participation which is a shame. Next time bring a snack and let’s make dinner theater out of it. (potato chips next meeting)

    It was a really long meeting last night and I understand the frustration of those who walked out of the meeting but…
    that is exactly what they wanted!

    Even the Mayor took a shot at the old guy who comments on everything saying “it better be good” very sad…

    I advocate ballots not bullets, the “lock & load” language is only inflammatory. rally the citizens to participate is what we need to do.

    Mr. Latt is a good example

  66. "Living" is wrong AGAIN
    December 22, 2010 at 11:19 am

    Living in Eureka? I googled & it has Heidi living on Campton Rd. That is OUTSIDE the city limits.

    The advocates pushing the city to purchase Jefferson are wrong on many of their “facts”, just like this one.

  67. Anonymous
    December 22, 2010 at 11:28 am

    45% of Eurekans did not vote for these candidates-so don’t minimize our opinion or stake in what happens on city council. we have a representative democracy-and we must make sure that our opinions are represented.

  68. pluto
    December 22, 2010 at 11:53 am

    Times Standard article to day said 30 people at the meeting. Wrong. The place was packed. Mostly with Jefferson supporters. Maybe only 30 people spoke.

  69. December 22, 2010 at 11:53 am

    Where’s thadeus greenson to ask the tough questions like “is the Hitler look intentional mike?”

    Also with all of Larrys inside knowledge of the situation,I am hoping he shows up to a,meeting soon and asks some questions,that would be priceless

  70. Plain Jane
    December 22, 2010 at 12:02 pm

    A majority actually voted for the 2 candidates who were opposing Newman.

  71. something fishy for sure
    December 22, 2010 at 12:12 pm

    “There’s something fishy here that smells like collusion between CR’s president at the council.” How true. Our community should stop equating “CR” with a college president who is more interested in expanding his empire with real estate acquisitions than in promoting student success and access. An analysis done last spring proved that THERE ARE TOO MANY UNUSED CLASSROOMS ON THE MAIN CAMPUS. There is also currently $20 million of critical deferred maintenance on the existing campuses that the bond money is desperately needed for. Is it true that Marsee is colluding behind closed doors with the council? If so, how far will Marsee go to financially ruin CR to support his own egomaniacal agenda? The CR community won’t stand for it any longer, especially if the lay-off notices start coming out and classes are cut even more.

  72. December 22, 2010 at 12:12 pm

    The speaker count was closer to 35, including Heidi who opened with a presentation.

    Heidi said she’d wished Tyson would have given his canned report to educate the new council members who are admittedly uninformed on the years-long process.

  73. Confused
    December 22, 2010 at 12:15 pm

    Jeff Smith is on County Planning Commission.

    City of Eureka Planning Commission and Redevelopment Agency are different.

    Why is Jeff Smith’s name being mentioned?

    I do not support the City of Eureka purchasing this site.

    If it is so attractive as a private investment, let the private sector invest in it.

    I do not believe that the financial projections are solid.

  74. anonymous
    December 22, 2010 at 12:24 pm

    Eureka development advisory board-chairman county planning commission and CFO of Danco. Danco builds lots of stuff in Eureka with Government funds.

  75. Mike Buettner
    December 22, 2010 at 12:41 pm

    “is the Hitler look intentional mike?”

    My first thought when I saw him.

  76. TimH
    December 22, 2010 at 12:56 pm

    I don’t think Jeff Smith has worked at Danco in at least a year.

  77. Living In Eureka
    December 22, 2010 at 12:58 pm

    I am not WRONG! Like I said, Heidi has several houses. The Campton Road address is “the ranch”. On many of her weekends, you will find her there! But she also spends much of the week in town, at her B Street home, Google that up your ass!

  78. Anonymous
    December 22, 2010 at 1:01 pm

    It is more than just the “Little Hitler” look. It was the behavior as well. It was creepy.

  79. City Hall Watcher
    December 22, 2010 at 1:03 pm

    The corruption at City Hall has been there a long time. This just brings it more to the surface.

  80. wog
    December 22, 2010 at 2:09 pm

    just like the good old days

  81. Anonymous
    December 22, 2010 at 2:23 pm

    “A majority actually voted for the 2 candidates who were opposing Newman.”

    Kind of like Clif……Except that Newman got a higher percentage of the vote than Clif and of course Clif faces the voters in a year and a half not four.

    Maybe Newman moderates in the next four years maybe not. Fortuna is well aware of what they got in Clif and it is probably too late for him to move to the middle.

    Sorry, off topic I know but still an interesting observation.

  82. stingerhawk
    December 22, 2010 at 2:35 pm

    CR is going to stay far far from jefferson they dont want to deal with a lawsuit from the neighborhood group. the city is treading lighty for the same reason!

  83. December 22, 2010 at 2:39 pm

    DECEMBER 22, 2010

    I regret to record the chilling T-in-the-road which the JEFFERSON SCHOOL PROJECT is confronting.

    As an inveterate Truth-Teller, this Objective Observer for one never hesitates to say (referencing the recent election cycle) — “I TOLD YOU SO!!”

    That is to say,


    OR FOR CONSERVATIVES [Psychopaths]!!

    OR FOR CAPITALISTS [Sociopaths]!!

    OR FOR CORPORATISTS [Political Ponerologists]!!

    Respectfully speaking, Newman and Brady are dangerous, scary, chilling.

    To that end, may I respectfully recommend that you click onto::—

    Time for Change Democratic Underground, “Time for Change: Why the Corrupt Few Wreak So Much Death, Destruction, and Suffering on the Rest of Us,” at democraticunderground.com, August 22, 2010.

    The article deals with and reviews the following and other works:

    1.  Andrze M. Lobaczewski and Laura Knight-Jadczyk, Political Ponerology: The Science of the Nature of Evil Adjusted for Political Purposes, 2007; and

    2.  Dr. Paul Babiak and Dr. Robert D. Hale, Professor Emeritus and Industrial Psychologist respectively, Snakes in Suits: When Psychopaths Go to Work, 2007.

    PLEASE NOTE the numerous specific NEOCONS which are discussed in the article by the Democratic Underground.


    Laura Flanders, GRIT TV, “The Laura Flanders Show.”
    Ed Schultz, “The Ed Schultz Show.”
    Mike Malloy, “The Mike Malloy Program.”

    Amy Goodman, “DEMOCRACY NOW! The RAW WAR and Peace Report.”

    Julian Assange, WIKILEAKS.

    asb2525, “Vermin under Suits, Skirts, and Military Garb: When Anal-Fixated and Psychopic Political Ponerologists Go to Work and WAGE RAW WAR!!,” 2011. [to be e-mailed].

    PS::— For those Graduates who rather read the psychopic message of the Conservatives in their own words (rather than in the words of the diagnosing psychiatrists and psychologists mentioned above), and who rather observe for themselves the mentality of the clearly elitist and sociopathic Conservative Corporatist Politicos, PLEASE SEE the following informative source materials::—

    1.  Sir Edmund Burke, Reflections on the Revolution in France, 1790.

    2.  J. C. D. Clark (ed.), Reflections on the Revolution in France. A Critical Edition (Stanford University Press, 2001).

    3.  Russell Kirk, The Conservative Mind: From Burke to [T.  S.] Eliot (7th ed. 1992). Original title, The Conservative Mind: From Burke to [George] Santayana, 1953.

    4.  NEOCONSERVATIVES Abrams, Armitage, Bolton, (Jeb) Bush, C h e n e y, (Steve) Forbes, Krauthammer, Kristol, McCain, Perle, Quayle, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, et. al., “PNAC, Project for the New American Century,” 1997.


    George OR  –  WELL, Nineteen Eighty-Four [1984], 1949; and Animal Farm, 1945.

    Zager and Evans, “In the Year 2525, (Exordium and Terminus),” 2525 Exordium and Terminus, 1969.

    Dr. Ravi Batra, The New Golden Age: A Revolution against Political Corruption and Economic Chaos, 2009.

  84. anon1
    December 22, 2010 at 3:04 pm

    Newman isn’t smart enough to hit the ground running..don’t we Have a conflict of interest with the Chamber…Who do we call and complain about all the Brown act violations..And corruption..

  85. Anonymous
    December 22, 2010 at 3:24 pm

    What corruption specifically are you talking about? Please share.

  86. A-Nony-Mouse
    December 22, 2010 at 3:40 pm

    Newman showed a complete lack of respect for the citizens of Eureka. He was elected by just over 40% of voters, not any kind of majority or mandate. I still hold Xandra responsible for having to go through this process all over again. That, of course, is NO excuse for Newman’s behavior. He lied straightfaced to us. He came in with his mind made up and would listen to nothing. He had RIGHT IN FRONT OF HIM the business plan, the list of tenants, and the list of potential monies. Yet he claimed to have never seen them. Blind as well as illiterate?

    He deserves just as much respect and considerationas he gave us…..NONE!

    And when I hear people cry to the council that THEY had not seen a Plan or a list, I want to kick them. We cannot publish the damn thing in the newspaper. Unless they take the initiative to ask and come to look, of course they haven’t seen it. DUH. I guess it should have been printed on all the election mailers so they’d have it shoved in their faces. Even then, some would complain that the type was too small. No accounting for some people.
    It’s there to see. Contact Tyson or Heidi if you’re serious. You’ll be amazed!

  87. Matt
    December 22, 2010 at 4:02 pm

    Ann – “Linda Atkins is really exposing herself to be an intellectual lightweight.
    Why don’t the progs gets it? We can’t afford this.”

    Then why did the entire city council vote for it just a few months ago? The entire council hasn’t changed in membership, so what’s the difference?

  88. Matt
    December 22, 2010 at 4:13 pm

    Is Brady representing the constituents in her ward, or not?

  89. Living In Eureka
    December 22, 2010 at 4:17 pm

    CR is not a good fit for our neighborhood & we will do whatever it takes to keep them out! It’s really too bad that the city is so shortsighted but what else is new around here.

    Both Newman & Brady were bought & paid for by the Arklry Camp. This city voted them in & we are stuck with the idiots for 4 years. When you play with the devil expect to get burned! But I’ll bet everyone here & now; CR will go into Jefferson long before ANYTHING ever done to that damn Balloon Tract!

  90. December 22, 2010 at 4:34 pm

    Relative to some of the astute comments submitted above::—


    Even if or since Larry has a neat deep (unsmiling) truth-telling voice; and since Clendenen — Here comes the Cider Man! — has a keen (smiley) voice and professional competent presence as Head of the Supervisors, especially since he was new when he took over from the vastly experienced and greatly community-minded HONORABLE JIMMY SMITH.

    In Xandra’s defense, Newman entered the race LATE — AFTER she did!

    But I still say the Progressive candidate should ask her/his supporters to VOTE FOR THE DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE AT THE END OF THE CAMPAIGN — when the good-old-boyz Newman reality is/was written on the wall!


    Bobby Dylan
    Buffy Sainte-Marie

  91. Mortimer Snuckerman
    December 22, 2010 at 4:40 pm

    Are you people really that stupid?

  92. Anonymous
    December 22, 2010 at 4:45 pm

    You remove irrelevant listings from some others (e.g., JL). Why do you tolerate the incomprehensible listings of asb2525? It really degrades the discussion, and who wants to scroll through a bunch of references and signatures that have nothing to do with this post.
    A habitual reader

  93. Time to get real
    December 22, 2010 at 4:54 pm

    The new council only believes in democracy to get elected, then throws it out the window once they have a seat. They could care less what all those residents at the council meeting felt or had done one the issue. That was the way the Hitler crowd hoodwinked the German people. Let’s see how power corrupts this time around.

  94. anon1
    December 22, 2010 at 5:03 pm

    Newman, acted like he didn’t have the motion and It was already written in front of him, he asked for it to be repeated and I think Lance told him it was in front of him,in his package..When a person runs for anything shouldn’t they have spent many hours in meetings before they get into office…It seems by their replies about the issues, that maybe running was a decision made in haste. why this is happening has been posted..Linda’s IQ obviously is higher than all the rest combined..When the old council member is preparing to depart, isn’t there some kind of briefing about the issues that had most affected the ward, the new member is representing?

  95. December 22, 2010 at 5:04 pm

    “Anonymous says:
    December 22, 2010 at 4:45 pm

    You remove irrelevant listings from some others (e.g., JL). Why do you tolerate the incomprehensible listings of asb2525? It really degrades the discussion, and who wants to scroll through a bunch of references and signatures that have nothing to do with this post.
    A habitual reader”

    ANONYMOUS!! PLEASE cease and desist from exhibiting your ignorance and rubbing your bile in others’ faces.

    I would not boast or parade or be proud about one’s darkness and want of knowledge.

    Respectfully reported, Sir,

    Zager and Evans

  96. bile
    December 22, 2010 at 5:18 pm

    Thank you for re-posting my request. Heraldo?

  97. skippy
    December 22, 2010 at 7:04 pm

    Yours truly was at the meeting. Here’s my report– sparing the obvious others have noted.

    Skippy wanted to see what all the hub-bub was about, putting faces to the names, keeping an open yet skeptical mind while balancing the scales of justice. My, oh my, what a meeting it was! I wish you were there.

    Familiar faces; people concerned about our Eureka; beautiful neighbors. Passionate about something close and dear to their heart after 2 1/2 years of arduous struggle and setbacks. Yours truly admits, the Jefferson folks– Sylvia, Xandra, Reece, Ruth, Sue, Richard, Lloyd, Neal, Eric, the children, and so many others– had me with their vision and determination by taking something rough and making it magnificent. They did their homework, coming together as community and kin alike.

    Heidi? Impressive. Being an effective and galvanizing community organizer unlike any other seen in Eureka’s recent collective memory, Heidi is one tough, hard-working, smart-enough, convincing and compassionate chick. In Skippy’s book, Heidi Benzonelli rocked.

    Council member Atkins was on the ball; prepared, competent as usual, leading the high ground for an already redundant process. Ms. Brady kept a cool demeanor between sinking and swimming, preferring to gracefully dog paddle somewhere in between. Mr. Newman? Skippy, wishing graceful consideration and kind thoughts to all involved, hopes things will improve when pigs fly, letting previous comments stand. Frank was … well, Frank. God bless him. Sparing and cogent in his questions from previous lengthy council experience, Mr. Madsen was the keen voice of wiser skill and reason, mediating away from the looming and imminent failure at hand by motioning for ‘a business plan and list of tenants’ to determine the true fiscal nuts and bolts– and operational validity– of the whole shebang. By requesting a postponement for this information to be pulled together, Mr. Madsen allowed not only cooler heads to prevail but allowed a breath of life to remain. He ended the befuddling and ongoing stalemate in what Skippy reckoned would’ve been a failing 3-1 (or 3-2, at best) vote, otherwise.

    Heidi and the Jefferson kin– you got another shot, another chance, the patient is still breathing. That’s a good thing. Use it as an opportunity, get the details needed together, it’s reasonable and realistic.

    Skippy believes you can do it; you got it going on. But pleeeze folks… Yours truly wishes you didn’t hoof it out of the chambers like a pack of angry bovines midway through the trail in a loud and childish huff– and when things don’t go to your liking. That was uncool. Way uncool. Calmer heads need to prevail. Mr. Madsen was on the right course and I hope you take it.

  98. Sylvia Scott
    December 22, 2010 at 7:16 pm

    Bless your heart Skippy – I needed to smile today. Another day, another battle plan! Maybe the Grench didn’t steal Christmas after all….
    Happy Holidays to all!

  99. "JG"
    December 22, 2010 at 7:49 pm

    The group walking out was way uncool. We need to work together as a community and get this right. Chris Kerrigan was right we are missing the boat. CR is not the bad guy here and should be look to as an asset. I live in this hood and would love to able walk to classes, get retrained, and have something other communities compete for. Let’s have a true dialog and not walk out of a meeting just because someone has questions we may not like or comments we don’t
    agree with. Passion is good but it doesn’t pay the bills.

  100. Anonymous
    December 22, 2010 at 8:56 pm

    CR is not a bad guy, but they are a political mine field with administrative changes every few years. For example, they changed the plans for the new main campus buildings four times and they dropped the plans for a new student union. In addition, they are dragging their feat on the restoration of the Garberville School site and they never cleaned up the mold at the old Arcata site. To expect them to “save the day” and keep a Jefferson School site viable for years in the future is naive. They are likely to change direction in a few years when they hire a new president.

    And, they should be spending our property tax dollars (that you pay directly or through rent) on keeping their main campus maintained, not branching out into acquisitions of white elephants.
    CR’s budget is fixed. They won’t be able to afford to offer a complete set of courses at a new site. Any courses or maintenance at Jefferson will be at the expense of the main campus where most students attend.

  101. anonymous
    December 22, 2010 at 9:00 pm

    Newman was insulting. He is so stupid. There are some very bright people that didn’t want to put up with his lack of knowledge and found it insulting having to sit there while he gets everything wrong on funding and was so dead set against anything the neighbors had to say. It was obvious that he is someone’s puppet. He has the nerve to look down his nose at people that have I Qs higher than he can count. Who wants to sit there and be insulted.

  102. ruth
    December 22, 2010 at 9:08 pm

    Thanks Skippy! You can’t kill the human spirit…
    Your my hero.

  103. anon1
    December 22, 2010 at 9:14 pm

    Listening and watching him speak, really surprises me he actually could be trusted by anyone..He’s definitely an over achiever..WOW!!!–Watch for skeletons.. I think we are gonna see some bones in the next few years..Follow the money..My prediction, someone is going to jail?hmm its already starting and its only the first meeting..

  104. Anonymous
    December 22, 2010 at 9:23 pm

    That Newman look-Hitler meets Deliverance.

  105. Stretch
    December 22, 2010 at 10:02 pm

    Well, I was at the Council meeting last night and here are my impressions. Linda was great and offered concise and analytical comments and questions to the discussion about Jefferson School. After all, she has seen and heard it all before and voted for the purchase, along with the rest of the Council. Brady and Madsen seemed to pay attention to what people said and were respectful to the speakers. However, Newman was a BIG disappointment. I observed his behavior as arrogant and closed! When individuals spoke in favor of the Jefferson School proposal, he mostly kept his eyes down and had a smirk on his face. Then, when a FEW people spoke against the proposal, he was all attentive! How disrespectful he came across to those of us who watched him! When it came time for comments from the Council, he acted as if he had heard nothing that was said – just spouted his already formed opinion. He had NOT done his homework and didn’t apprear to have read the materials he was provided by Heidi. Then, he started off with comments that showed how little he understands what city budgets and redevelopment monies should be used for. He gave NO acknowledgement of the hard work and opinions that differed from his. If he cannot LISTEN to the citizens of this city and has no respect for opinions other than his own, he has no business representing “us” on the Council. No wonder many people were insulted and left the Council Chambers!

  106. A-Nony-Mouse
    December 22, 2010 at 10:19 pm

    Newman had the unmitigated gall to sit there and lie to our faces. He said ” This is not the way redevelopment money is supposed to be used”. Could he be more clueless? He told us all about all the money CR has when he has no credible knowledge about that (unless he’s a plant, after all). Then he claimed city money would have to used for maintenance of the building. He must be brain-dead or unable to read simple information sitting right in front of him. With that, he simply dismissed all the hard work and careful planing that went into the Neighborhood Plan. The Plan went to great lengths to make sure the city WOULD NOT have to pay for maintenance and , in fact, would actually realize a healthy INCOME from the site.
    I suspect Mr. Newman wouldn’t know a clue if it flew up his nose. His cute little sneer when anyone spoke in favor of the plan was the last straw. I’m sorry some folks walked out but after Newman’s obvious insults , lies, and total lack of respect, some kind of response was necessary. Hats off to those who told him to gfh (he doesn’t deserve CAPS).

  107. Heidi
    December 22, 2010 at 11:54 pm

    Thank you to all the people who showed up to the council meeting last night, there were so many people who offered their support. There were times the crowd got a bit unruly but I know it was inspired by their passion. There have been so many people so intimately involved with the details of this project, we have all had to learn more than we ever thought we would need to know about redevelopment, general funds, the different agencies (redevelopment and city) the rules the laws, the acronyms, the Brown Act, OH My Gosh it is not a wonder we feel like we know this stuff better than new council, we do. Like I said, stay positive, stay committed , work together in partnership, help each other. Keep your vision in mind, and be patient, what if it was your very first time at a real fullfledged meeting as a council person. You just got elected, you have all these plans it takes a little time to learn how to prepare and how to represent. Thanks to Linda for trying to inform the newbys of the tiring process, including plan after plan oh my, I am exhausted, and thank you Lance for keeping an open mind and atleast asking for more information. And Frank, you’ll figure it out. By the way there is a serious problem with the audio in the chambers, only one speaker worked, it was very difficult to hear the speakers from the audience. Once again, thanks to EVERYONE who showed up, New Guys, there’s your peeps, we are going to work with you, if you need something please ask Dave who to ask, we don’t want to drop any balls and we want to make sure we can assist you to get what you need without all of us running in circles. Thanks again everyone. Heidi Benzonelli

  108. Anonymous
    December 23, 2010 at 8:08 am

    Heidi you are a class act!

  109. Reality Check
    December 23, 2010 at 8:19 am

    Thanks to Heidi and all of the community members and neighbors that showed up to fight for the Jefferson School. This project exemplifies the type of change that we need to see in this community. Your hard-work, discipline, and thought for the future is truly inspiring! Heidi-your organization and energy is remarkable, and any negative comments about this project are unwarranted and should not be taken personally. This project can and will move forward with such an amazing group of dedicated folks. Thank you all, and Happy Holidays!

  110. Anonymous
    December 23, 2010 at 8:48 am

    Instead of stupid and childish insults why don’t we think about this calmly? The plain sad truth is that there is no money to fix up this property. Nobody is going to hand us two and a half million dollars. Pig in a poke is what one speaker said and he was right.

    So why not let C/R buy it & fix it up? They have the funds to do it and do it right. Then, if you are right and it fails, a few years from now we can get the property back and it will be fixed up and ready to go as a great community center.

  111. Plain Jane
    December 23, 2010 at 8:55 am

    Newman’s constituents are not the people of Eureka, but the business owners. No matter how many people show up at meetings to express their opinions of what should be done with Jefferson School it will make no difference in his votes. You will either have to work around Newman or recall him.

  112. anon1
    December 23, 2010 at 9:16 am

    anon-8:48–not TRUE apparently you don’t read much…CR is in trouble with every building they occupy..Another potential land grab for the insiders.. AGAIN..Don’t be like the rest spewing misinformation..

  113. anon1
    December 23, 2010 at 9:19 am


  114. Anonymous
    December 23, 2010 at 9:34 am

    Anybody who thinks the purchase of Jefferson by the city is popular with the people of Eureka are deluding themselves. The majority of people packing the chamber might have been in favor, but they number only a dozen or two of the almost ten thousand voters in Eureka.

    Just like Measure N proved how out of step you people are, another measure about Jefferson would prove it again.

  115. Anonymous
    December 23, 2010 at 9:39 am

    The redevelopment agency gave the Serenity Inn Motel funds to start up. Now the Redevelopment agency won’t go to purchase the school? All this city cares about is keeping the slumlords in business and placating the homeless. Don’t help a neighborhood of tax paying citizens. Let this be a lesson to any of Eureka’s historic neighborhoods. Don’t look to this city council for help.

  116. ann
    December 23, 2010 at 9:51 am

    Arkley is going to buy Jefferson School or at least try to. Heidi’s threats of lawsuits are no big deal to him. He knows how to win those types of suits and will spend what it takes to win. He likes to say that he learned their playbook and now is taking it to the next level.

  117. anonymous
    December 23, 2010 at 9:54 am

    It is becoming clear now why the zoning was changed from Public to Multi-Family. This is what many of us were afraid would happen. Bait and switch to get low-income housing. Some builder will make out on this. They will probably use redevelopment funds to build cheap ugly apartment buildings. This is the redevelopment area you know.

  118. anonymous
    December 23, 2010 at 9:58 am

    If this is true ann then maybe we will get some single family homes that would better the neighborhood instead of more degrading low-income crap.

  119. ann
    December 23, 2010 at 10:07 am

    Actually, Arkley wants to put in some single family homes, a park and keep the office in place and allow the EPD to have an on-site office…an efficient POP.

  120. Anonymous
    December 23, 2010 at 10:15 am

    To Arkley, with his money and connections–using Eureka as his personal cat box is “taking it to the next level”?? This guy IS cracked.

  121. anonymous
    December 23, 2010 at 10:16 am

    That would be great ann. I hope you are right.

  122. Living In Eureka
    December 23, 2010 at 10:16 am

    For all of you jumping up & down for CR, I know that you do not live in our area. I assure you that there are at least 100 people in our group & several other people around the school that support our efforts. After the last council meeting, all of our phones have been ringing off the hook with supporter who have asked to help to include a couple of attorneys!

    CR is not welcome in our neighborhood & NEVER will be. Quite frankly, they are not good neighbors!

    For 70 years, children have filled the halls of Jefferson. We want that back. We have worked very hard on this project. We will have it one way or the other. If the city wants a battle on their hands, they better start digging the trenches!

    We haven’t got the courts or Sacramento involved YET, but if push comes to shove, we will! This city belongs to the people….all of the people. This city has blighted our area. Now it is time for them to stand accountable or help fix the problems they created. If this city can give every rehab joint in town money, they better be prepared to explain their actions to the court & state. The state holds the purse strings on this money & they can take it away!

  123. ann
    December 23, 2010 at 10:25 am

    You clearly have Arkley P Envy. What has he done that is not great? The Zoo? The Vance? The Arkley? The EHS pool? The Marina Center? The Starbucks? Fairhaven? The Co-Op?? There are many others that are not even counted.
    Arkley has created hundreds of jobs and has been a one man blight eradicator. I don’t think that it is cracked to improve the town in which you live and share your success through community gifts. Obviously, you do. You have a big problem. It looks like it is you.
    I think that part of your problem is that Arkley does not ask for your permission or blessing to do things. He hates hand wringing, which the people on this blog seem to love.
    Just wait, he will make Jefferson School a rel asset to the community.

  124. Plain Jane
    December 23, 2010 at 10:29 am

    CR is the bait and then comes the switch. They’ll scuttle the community center and then, when CR (like Home Depot) doesn’t work out, they will announce an “alternative” which profits members of the COC like HiFi who are buying up distressed properties that once belonged to the people Republican policies destroyed.

  125. ann
    December 23, 2010 at 10:37 am

    Plain Jane, you make us laugh. A Community Center will not get funded. You can threaten, scream, berate and sue, but until you come up with both the purchase price and money to improve the property, all you are doing is talking. It would be irresponsible for the City to move forward with you. Atkins seems unable to grasp this issue. Glass never got it either.
    You have more than had your chance. It is time for something to happen. If you don’t actually do something, and very soon, Arkley will. You will blame him, but it is your fault. You, and you alone, will have failed.

  126. Anonymous
    December 23, 2010 at 10:38 am

    Annie, corrupting a government is a bit larger issue than erecting a few monuments to one’s ego. Sorry, Eureka sucks – and it’s because of Arkley and people like


    Merry Xmas.

  127. Living In Eureka
    December 23, 2010 at 10:43 am

    Arkley with all his money, can’t even win a lawsuit with Baykeepers over the Balloon Tract! The city sat on their asses for 40 YEARS & did nothing to clean it up. So pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee get a clue!

  128. Anonymous
    December 23, 2010 at 10:50 am

    You are wrong Ann, Plain Jane doesn’t make me laugh she (and other sick with envy stupid people like her) make me cry. If Arkley ever leaves Eureka (and who could blame him) Eureka will be far worse off.

    OTOH, if people like 10.38am and Plain Jane and Living In Eureka, left we would be better off.

  129. ann
    December 23, 2010 at 10:52 am

    Merry Christmas to all of you.
    I hope that New Year brings a more construcutive and less envious attitude, Anonymous 10:38. You clearly are missing the spirit of the Season and are caught in a trap of sadness and envy.
    Actually, to the best of my knowledge, Arkley did not get terribly invovled in the local races, except for Measure N, which won by an unprecedented 70-30 margin. Most likley, Larry Glass’ vendetta against Arkley cost Glass some votes, but really he was just beaten by a better candidate who overwhelmingly connected with the voters in a way that Glass did not.
    I think that the only monument is The Arkley, on which he used private money and, once again, took care of more blight.
    It is nice to see a person put money back into this town and community rather than only extract, like Bill Pierson.
    Jefferson School will be done well if Arkley buys it. On that, you can be sure.

  130. Trent
    December 23, 2010 at 10:53 am

    Humboldt County would be much better off if it had more people with the vision and ability to DO SOMETHING instead of just TALK about doing something.

  131. Trent
    December 23, 2010 at 10:59 am

    IMHO, the west side of Eureka needs more high-end houses, townhomes, and condos. Without attracting something or someone new (see also $$) to the area, it will continue to decay like Uranium.

  132. Big Al
    December 23, 2010 at 11:09 am

    Ann = Gax

  133. ann
    December 23, 2010 at 11:16 am

    Ann=Gx??? Not. Ann is just a resident of Eureka.

  134. December 23, 2010 at 11:23 am

    poor thing.

  135. Plain Jane
    December 23, 2010 at 11:55 am

    Arkleyville professional cheerleaders like Ann and the multiple (?) anonymi don’t care about Eureka. They care about who signs their next paycheck. That’s what’s wrong with Eureka. A better future for everyone doesn’t pay off immediately so we are stuck with dead end “improvements” like strip malls, half way houses, government subsidized low income housing and fewer living wage jobs. The west side of Eureka has been unofficially red lined as ghetto by the local power elite who, unfortunately, were able to lie their way into even greater control in the last election. Change is inevitable, and this too shall change.

  136. Living In Eureka
    December 23, 2010 at 12:33 pm

    Yes Ann, Larry lost the election, that I will give you.
    BUT, Brady lied out her ass, that is also a fact. That woman is too stupid to come in out of the rain. She was bought & paid for by Arkley! There are real nasty words for woman who put their self’s on the auction block!!! Keeping with season’s spirit, I will refrain from using them. For all of you out there that voted for her…..you deserve the idiot!

  137. anon1
    December 23, 2010 at 1:31 pm

    Ann must be new to this HUMAN thing..Are you for real?-seriously!!!—-Re-Develop…understand the word..doesn’t that area of Eureka need it?–Planning Commissioner and CFO of a Construction company..Newman and the chamber..At some point the Attorney General is gonna get involved and then no-one can save em..Watch, and tell where all the bodies are buried..Its time to believe these people are really setting the course of Eureka for many generations to come..With a plain and simple,no other way to put it but corruption..By means of bullying and buying their way to success..over and over again..

  138. Mortimer Snuckerman
    December 23, 2010 at 1:35 pm

    You three will never learn. At this rate Atkins is toast and conservatives will five all the city council for years to come. Thank God !

  139. Heidi
    December 23, 2010 at 1:37 pm

    “Heidi’s threats of lawsuits are no big deal to him”
    never in my life,that is not my style

  140. Anonymous
    December 23, 2010 at 1:48 pm

    Hello Ann, can you please tell me how Bill Pierson is “extracting” from this town & community?

  141. Anonymous
    December 23, 2010 at 1:53 pm

    Hi HumboldtTurtle, we missed you :)

  142. anon1
    December 23, 2010 at 2:16 pm

    Pierson…ahhhhhhhh,More smoke..They aren’t conserving anything..especially people..

  143. Living In Eureka
    December 23, 2010 at 2:19 pm

    Atkins can hold her own with the best of them. She is the only one not standing in line asking the Great Oz for a brain. She can overhaul the car in the morning, fix dinner in the evening, and still have time to save Eureka’s ass before bedtime! And she can’t be bought!
    The Chamber better be nice to her from what I saw on Tues. – they need her vote! Too bad Newman!

  144. Living In Eureka
    December 23, 2010 at 2:23 pm

    P.S. and will somebody at city hall reading this give Brady a tutor or something? She is making the city look bad, we have enough problems!

  145. pluto
    December 23, 2010 at 2:34 pm

    If Arkley or anyone else were to build good quality single family homes on the sight this would be the end of the blight and problems that have plagued the west side and downtown- Old town. The police already use the facility for training and we neighbors like having them here in the neighborhood. If new victorian style houses were built this place would be the best place to live being so close to Old Town. This would be THE GOOD NEIGHBORHOOD.

  146. cheesedick
    December 23, 2010 at 2:37 pm

    Let the school district take responsibilty for the problem (opportunity) they created. Why the city? Why all the drama?

  147. Anonymous
    December 23, 2010 at 2:51 pm

    The following links are for documents that people
    interested in the Jefferson School issue may find interesting – all
    on CR’s web site. Contrary to some misinformation, CR would have to
    spend local bond money (measure Q in Humboldt County) to purchase
    Jefferson School. This is being paid for through our property taxes
    (over the next 30 years). This first site has pdf documents for
    CR’s Major projects, deferred maintenance, and program review
    analysis. There is little (or no?) mention of Jefferson school, and
    the program review analysis does not justify a need for purchase of
    a new off-campus building.
    This page gives a list of what the voters were told the local bond
    would pay for. This was prior to CR receiving the State Allocated
    funds for constructing the three new buildings on campus. There is
    no mention of purchasing an off-campus site/building.
    http://www.redwoods.edu/Bond/Oversight/facil.asp Page 7 and 8 of
    this pdf is an accounting of both the local bond (where a Jefferson
    School purchase would come from) and State Allocated funds that are
    being used for the new on-campus buildings (these later funds can’t
    be used for a Jefferson purchase). An updated account is within the
    Board of Trustees packet each month – also on the CR website.

  148. Bigger Picture
    December 23, 2010 at 3:33 pm

    Lets take a step back for a minute and forget what use the school will be put to after the City buys it. Lets forget that there are limited redevelopment funds, and whether there is city wide support to spend that money to buy the school.

    Isn’t the bigger picture issue, whether or not the funds necessary to fully implement any plan, have been secured? Who spends limited money to buy an asset with the intention of spending $3.5 million more to do the project, but have no idea when and/or where that money will come from?

    I may be simple, but that’s just dumb!

  149. skippy
    December 23, 2010 at 3:44 pm

    Skippy humbly asks to please not let others yank your chain or rattle your cage.

    The more Skippy looks into this Jefferson School Project project, the more intrigued and optimistic Skippy becomes. As a refresher, do we really know what the community project and vision is? Perhaps some research is in order: for yours truly or perhaps busy members of the council who missed it, Ms. Benzonelli addressed this in her recent community outreach:


    Ok, granted, she’s kept the community informed. She’s smart, tenacious, an organizer. Her and the compadre posse have done their homework.

    But who is Ms. Benzonelli? She (humbly) doesn’t speak much of herself. Does the City Council know the track record of whom they’re working with? Exactly what are her qualifications? Has she contributed to community projects before? Has she earned a college degree, preferably in the harder sciences? Ever owned a business? Experience with budgets, grants, consulting, or analysis? Worked either blue or white collar jobs? Raised children? Involved on civic boards, clubs, agencies, or work groups? Skippy believes the People (!) need to know!

    Skippy finds it hard to believe any person could ever pass the most arduously difficult criteria test above and be vetted for anything, let alone fly-by-florence-nightingales with sweet visions of sugar plum fairies dancing in their heads.

    Alas;… it is all true. Skippy sighs for the reader, too. Yes, she’s done it all. Ms. Benzonelli has pulled herself up by the bootstraps doing very well with outstanding merit at every turn. She is a most honorable community member of the highest order, along with her compadres.

    Research in hand, Skippy is mightily impressed now with the Jefferson School Project. Skippy extends his sincerest apologies for his intrusion– yet civic-minded individuals and newer council members should know the results of the above vetting:


    Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to all– to you and yours. Peace. skips

  150. Time to get real
    December 23, 2010 at 4:35 pm

    Motimer, you may really enjoy thanking god but that is of little use in the Jefferson school issue. Linda may not be reelected, or she may. Way to early to see into that crystal ball. She does fall on the right side of most issues and that may save her or as Glass found out, the public wasn’t listening, but preferred to swallow the Brady lies. We will see what they think of her in four years. It will be much harder to cover up the truth then. Progressives wimped out and didn’t support the right people last time, with votes or money. You don’t get what you don’t pay for in the good old USA. Rob knows that message, clearly.

  151. Living In Eureka
    December 23, 2010 at 5:17 pm

    Thanks for the information Skippy. But now I think I owe
    Mr. Newman an apology. With that “C” average High School diploma he is so proud of, he just doesn’t understand Ms. Benzonelli. Maybe the city can get him a tutor too!

  152. Heidi
    December 23, 2010 at 5:37 pm

    Skip, That is nice of you, but I am only one member of a large movement of dedicated exemplary citizens. We all have our own gifts, talents and passion and work as a team. Somehow I have been presented to the community as the leader, that is really only because I manage the email list and usually present, I am more like the communications officer, but I could not do any of this without my compadres as you call them. Actually, we are Eureka, we are the heartbeat, the grandparents, parents, children, homeowners, business owners, renters, students, landscapers, artists, fisherman, mill workers and environmentalists, we are right, we are left, we are green, we are blue collar, white collar, we are friends we have come together with a common cause, our city. There are many amazing people who presented Tuesday night.
    But thanks Skippy that is really nice.

  153. cheesedick
    December 23, 2010 at 5:45 pm

    Can you put a link to the plan that was excluded from the council’s packets?

  154. Heidi
    December 23, 2010 at 7:00 pm

    cheese dick, I just checked my linkedin to see if I could post a file there, I can not but let me work on figuring out how to make this stuff public. Heidi

  155. Bigger Picture
    December 23, 2010 at 8:46 pm

    Heidi, can you address the funding issue I raised above? Is your plan to have the City buy the property now, and then hope to get the real project implementation money later?

  156. cheesedick
    December 23, 2010 at 9:52 pm

    Thanks Heidi. I think it would help everyone.

  157. Heidi
    December 23, 2010 at 11:25 pm

    Didn’t anyone watch the council meeting, it should be streamed somewhere, here’s as close as I can get to doing it again.
    Under the SHN strategic plan modified to today’s market conditions reviewed by a national mortgage broker to assure this project has debt service coverage ratio to secure financing and it does (over 1.2)
    The NOI on this property is 215K, $1/sq ft for a single tenant eave to eave, this is cheap for a school they also pay utilities and maintenance the city covers structure and roof (on a retrofitted building) the debt service using the highest total project cost 10% contingencies is 179K this leaves the difference for a reserve. A credit worthy tenant willing to negotiate a long term lease who presented both to redevelopment on Thursday and Council on Tuesday is key to having this work, we have had tenant after tenant, they go away and find other locations as the infinite process drags on. Now the other construction bid, the Danco CR bid was actually 800K less numbers like that blow this thing out of the water as a money maker but we cranked the costs up to be conservative. Another factor not included is the Committees partnership with the Community Action Agency, the RCAA Executive Director also presented at both the Redevelopment meeting and the City Council Meeting , not only are the agency’s top planners, directed to assist the committee to locate and write grant funds but we will also look for funds to replenish redevelopment, none of those grants were included in the above numbers, they would simply sweeten the reserve even more.. Heres the deal, redevelopment is for curing neighborhood blight. This is from the redevelopment agency’s FAQ sheet:
    “What types of projects do redevelopment agencies take on?
    Redevelopment agencies breathe new life into specific project areas in need of revitalization, economic development and new opportunity by:.
    Building and rehabilitating community centers, parks, libraries, public safety buildings and other community facilities;
    Revitalizing rundown or blighted neighborhoods, which can help reduce crime and increase opportunity for struggling communities; and
    Beautifying communities through landscaping, improvement of neighborhood streets and creation of greenbelts.”
    Dig it, this is what redevelopment funds are for.
    I also ran trhe above scenario for a multi use facility with 80% occupancy and a higher /sqft to cover o&M.
    The brief overview above was based on the SHN strategic plan commissioned by the city 15K, modified to todays conditions by me and a first class top notch “developer” for free (free to you).

    The following scenario is how municipalities nationwide fund projects they do not have the time or money for. Known as 3rd party financing It is slightly more expensive for the tenant.
    Redevelopment secures the property using the 600k. Turns the project over to the city who leases the land to a 3rd party for 45 years. The third party purchases for a minimus amount everything above the dirt “the project”. The third party secures the loan, the tenant, renovates the building, everything, and pays the city 42k for the land lease, this is in effect 7% return on your redevelopment investment that goes into general fund for police, fire street sweeping etc. In the presentation I suggested we use a 3rd party governed by a BoD of community members working in partnership with the city for the benefit of both, not profiteers which 3rd party investors usually are. So the 3rd party handles the project, pays the lease, works with the community and the city to keep the priorities of the community needs met and turns the land lease payment over to the city. Then at the end of the 25 year mortgage, we are still drawing a 215K lease, what to do with that money now? Normally, a 3rd party would have already cashed out, let the tenant pay down the mortgage, sold the project pocketed the equity and gone to Hawaii or Banff or where ever rich guys go, we suggested that by using a 3rd party governed by community members with the benefit of both the community and the city in mind, at the end of 25 years that lease money goes back to the city, 215K (actually escalated) + a 42 K land lease this is a freaking quarter of a million dollars a year for the remaining 20 years. 1 million in land lease for the first 25 and 5 million in total lease for the remaining 20, then what? 45 years is up, the building, tenant and 2 continuous acres, zoned public, protected preserved, blight cured, park playground, childrens services, 215 (escalated) income stream, children laughing playing, commonground restored, reverts back to the city (btw the facility retrofitted todays value 3.1 million. So you invested 6ook redevelopment and you got what redevelopment is for, you also got a million back in land lease, then you got another 5 million in facility and land lease, then you get the whole Marianne back.That is the “jist”of the 2nd scenario.

    The Committee which would be a 501c would have to go out and secure a partnership with an established non profit in order to be able to develop the capacity to do this, but you know what, never under estimate the abilities, nor the connections of your community members, we come in all shapes sizes, colors and professions, we are willing to think outside the box and approach things in new and unique ways. Leveraging local (and non local)resources, building capacity, collaborating and using partnerships to optimize opportunity is the way large projects are going to have to move forth in the future, we can not keep looking for a sugar daddy, we need to band together as partners and make these things happen for the benefit of all involved. This is an elegant proposal.
    There is the jist for whoever asked for it. Now, I am going to bed.

  158. snoopy
    December 24, 2010 at 1:35 am

    When a councilman starts lying it’s time to walk out on him. I would do it again and again.

    MAYBE people need to know that there are foundations and private monies that are given as grants for special purposes such as restoring historic schools, neighborhood improvement, rescuing old buildings and beautifying street environments.

    MAYBE people need to know that you cannot broadcast the list of people who have pledged to work on a project or help fund it before you actually have control of the site.

    MAYBE people need to know that we take care of the site regularly, weeding and trimming the landscape plants and sidewalks. We would have repaired/replaced broken windows long ago if we could have had access to the building without being cited for trespass.

    MAYBE people need to know that many retired people in the vicinity of the school have used their own blood, sweat and tears to rehab sizable buildings in the past and participate in barn-raising-type activities and are still able-bodied and dedicated to doing things like this.

    Eureka needs to get over its inferiority complex about not being able to do anything… about not being worthy of doing anything. Wake up! Just because you don’t want to work your butt off, why stop someone else who is willing to do so???

  159. Mortimer Snuckerman speaks out
    December 24, 2010 at 8:47 am

    MAYBE people know when they are being snookered. MAYBE people can tell when phantom tenants are just made up. MAYBE people aren’t as stupid as Heidi & the Jefferson purchase supporters think we are. MAYBE people don’t want their tax dollars to feed the ego of one person & cater to the wish of a tiny group of selfish people.

  160. Anonymous
    December 24, 2010 at 9:08 am

    Maybe Mortimer is out of touch or has made up his mind, the tenant was at the meeting, there is a letter of interest and she testified they would produce a letter of intent based on the strategic plan for expansion to David Tyson. What do you think, they were actors? liars? Mortimer, differences of opinion do not constitute discredidation. These people are there, working with the city. There is nothing made up about what they are doing they have been working with the city since Polly Endert days, it should not be a threat, it should be welcome, they are bringing solutions to the table. You sound suspiciously like the new councilman who has made up his mind and is now set to discredit everything else to get his way. so “the peoples tax dollars can feed his ego & cater to the wish of a tiny group of other selfish profiteers” pot,kettle,black, good morning Mr Newman and Merry Christmas

  161. Plain Jane
    December 24, 2010 at 9:28 am

    Mortimer Newman won’t be swayed with facts. Facts don’t matter. He will do what his masters tell him to do without regard for the wishes of the Jefferson neighborhood or the majority of the people in Eureka.

  162. Bigger Picture
    December 24, 2010 at 9:39 am

    You still have not directly addressed the funding commitment issue. The acquisition should not take place unless and until the funding commitment is in place. No different than qualifying and funding your loan at the time you buy your house (at close fo escrow).
    Quit talking about Letters of Intent; and bring a binding commitment of funds to the closing; then you have something.

  163. Pig in a Poke.
    December 24, 2010 at 9:59 am

    They have no tenant. They had someone from a tiny Arcata School district charter school say they might be interested. The charter school made no real commitment. There was nothing in writing from them. The Charter School person pulled a number out of the air and said they thought they could get 120 students, even though after five years they only have 72 in Arcata.

    There was no business plan. No stated amount of rent they were willing to pay. No study has been done as to how many students they could reasonably expect to get. No survey done. No projected budget. Nothing was said as to what happens if the city spent millions to modernize the place and the school could get only 30 students.

    And for that we taxpayers should spend $3.1 million dollars? If you went to the bank with that, you would be laughed out the doors. Leo Sears was right when he said this was a “Pig in a Poke”.

  164. Anonymous
    December 24, 2010 at 10:20 am

    Leo thinks a successful charter school is a “Pig in a Poke” but thinks the railroad is viable. Whatever.

  165. Anonymous
    December 24, 2010 at 10:26 am

    “MAYBE people don’t want their tax dollars to feed the ego of one person”

    Funny how willing people are to have CR use their tax dollars (property taxes) on this pig in a poke. Especially in an environment when the school can’t meet the needs of its students on its existing campuses, and when the state is considering cutting back community colleges as a permanent budget solution.

  166. Anonymous
    December 24, 2010 at 10:43 am

    Advocating for a CR purchase is basically an exercise in screwing CR students who are attending class on the existing campuses that are in desperate need of renovation – this was the intended use of the local bond funds that CR (at least the president) is considering using for Jefferson.

    And, college presidents typically last 3-5 years. So, about the time a purchase would occur it is likely a new president/administration will reconsider this boondoggle and pull the plug. It certainly is not a stable situation at CR, and their accreditation is up for review (once again). Part of that review is financial stability and the Jefferson purchase will require maintenance and spreading out resources – not a model for financial stability when the state is cutting funding.

  167. Heidi
  168. Ahhhhhhh
    December 24, 2010 at 12:16 pm

    That is cute Heidi & totally irrelevant.

    Those children are all in Middle School now. The children of today are in just as warm & fuzzy classrooms at Alice Birney, Grant, Lafayette and Washington.

  169. C/R fan
    December 24, 2010 at 12:21 pm

    For those of you financial experts who say C/R can’t afford the repairs & upkeep ? C/R already has an Eureka campus in a rented building that is not suitable for classrooms.

    Jefferson will save them money. First the rehab will be paid through bond monies. Once it is operating they will no longer have to pay rent and rent comes from the General Fund.

    Current & future C/R students will benefit. The Eureka students will have real classrooms and all C/R students will benefit by not having the rent payments coming out of the General fund anymore.

  170. A-Nony-Mouse
    December 24, 2010 at 1:39 pm

    Too many targets!
    Pig, all your comments are addressed in the extensive post above. Can you read? You certainly have the numbers all screwed up in your head. Try reading it again.

    At some point business is a leap of faith that both party’s will do what they say they will do, whether its buying shoes or building a house. If the Neighborhood Committee says they will do something and can demonstrate a clear path for doing it, they have every bit as much claim on our trust as anyone could.

    C/R Fan, take note of the instabiliies stated above regarding CR’s administration. It has TOO MANY satelite campuses now while the main campus goes to hell from lack of maintenance. CR is not the villain in this piece but it should be looking more closely at its priorities and we should be looking more closely at how it spends its bond monies that we are paying for. So far CR has proposed a lowball retrofit that would do only a minimal job. Where will that be in 10 or 20 years? What if an even better site comes along? CR flips the property, it becomes low rent housing, another developer makes a KILLING, and the neighborhood still sits underserved with no park or playground or center. Not good.

    This Neighborhood Committee is a remarkable thing. It has tackled a real problem and come up with several creative and workable solutions. It has done its homework and is ready to go. It has already created immense civic pride and a real sense of community, both of which are often lacking these days. So, Pig and C/R fan, what are you doing to better your community? Thought so.

  171. cheesedick
    December 24, 2010 at 1:59 pm

    Thanks Heidi,
    So the site is 215,000 sf or is that 215K spread out?
    $18,000/month sounds really high.

  172. C/R Fan
    December 24, 2010 at 3:00 pm

    A-Nony-Mouse stop hyperventilating for a few moments to stop & read. The Jefferson campus will replace the already existing campus. It will not add to the number of satellites.

    What are YOU doing to “better your community” other than posting a hundred times a day on the Herald? Thought so.

  173. OMG
    December 24, 2010 at 3:26 pm

    Reading Heidi’s 11.25pm amateurish post is hard because of her misuse of a lot of terms, lack of punctuation and its run on sentences. But she is so far off in so many areas it is very sad and alarming at the same time.

    215,000 square feet? This is laugh out loud funny. The buildings aren’t even one-tenth of that amount of square footage.

    $42,000 a year lease and that is just for the land? What planet does she live on? And if she was right, there is no charter school this side of Beverly Hills who could afford even a fraction of $215,000 a year rent. $215,000 a year rent for the finished project for a school or a non profit is unbelievably so far beyond their financial capabilities it is absurd to even think that a person making that kind of claim should be taken seriously!!!!!!!

    Nobody has made any bids on this property. Nobody has had access to this building, much less spent the many tens of thousands of dollars for architectural plans or really any idea of what to reconstruct the building for. Anybody who makes that claim either does not understand what the term “bid” means or is lying to you.

    You people need to back off & double think this before you are fall off the cliff like lemmings.

  174. Anonymous
    December 24, 2010 at 3:27 pm

    Why didn’t more supporters show up at City Hall? Was it even a majority of the neighborhood?

  175. Anonymous
    December 24, 2010 at 3:54 pm

    CR Fan – the CR purchase and upgrade to make Jefferson useable, ADA compliant, address asbestos is somewhere in the $3.5 million range. There current rent downtown is about $200,000. So, it takes over 15 years to break even.
    In the mean time they’ve spent $3.5 million that could have been used to fix the community pool, make the classroom temperatures bearable and a host of other maintenance issues. See this link to get an idea of the problems on the main campuses and at their cqmpuses in Del Norte and Mendocino, who also pay for this bond money through property tax: http://inside.redwoods.edu/StrategicPlanning/Facilities/supportingdocs.asp
    The students and staff are already complaining about the campus being stretched too thin. The college has not hired any more technicians (for IT infrastructure votech equipment, and labs), custodians, groundskeepers, and administrative assistants. So a Jefferson School site wouldn’t be much better than the 6th and K site. Also, the classrooms at 6th and K are fine, I’ve taken classes there; I don’t see the problem.
    Ask students about all of these satellite campuses; it’s a pain in the ass. You have can’t get a full degree of classes at these small campuses and are required to travel back to the main campus to get math, english, science labs, art classes. Put it all in one place! If I’m using the autoshop at the main campus I don’t want to have to travel to Jefferson to take my welding class. It just doesn’t make much sense – financially or from a student point of view.

  176. C/R Fan
    December 24, 2010 at 4:14 pm

    Understand that 3.54pm. But the $3.5 million comes from one-time bond money and the $200,000 comes from the ongoing general fund. The $200,000 would then be free for things that are paid out of the general fund like custodians, groundskeepers & IT technicians.

    IF C/R is to have a satellite campus in Eureka, Jefferson makes a whole lot more sense than the present location. I do agree that it is a debatable question whether there should be one in Eureka at all. Apparently it does make it easier for more very low income people to attend.

  177. anon1
    December 24, 2010 at 4:15 pm

    Anybody who ever started a business didn’t have built in customers..You put good people in the position that know what they’re doing and push forward making a business work..Little by little…Like Harper motors,Pierson’s,Security National, or any other business..Work hard don’t RIP anybody off. Usually with a good product, good service, and a vision. The chances for things to work out are good..If you don’t try you can never fail and a vision will never become a reality for the people..Not big business.

  178. Anonymous
    December 24, 2010 at 4:48 pm

    C/R Fan – I understand your point of view. I’d be OK with using remaining bond funds for purchasing Jefferson IF the school had already used most of the $40 million to fix up the main campus.

    Classes I had in the Art building was very cold because of an ancient boiler. Another class in the technology building had banks of lights out most of the semester. And another had a ten year old computer that couldn’t access most of the stuff on the internet our teacher was trying to show.
    And why have they not fixed the pool when they had $40 million in bond funds? It’s the only community pool between Fortuna and Arcata. The school doesn’t have a great track record for following through on these bond projects.
    If they can’t afford to hire needed staff because they are spending $200,000.00 a year for 6th and K then they should abandon the site. When I was there, they always had one or two of the four classrooms empty, so the demand can’t be that great.
    Also, the “serving low income students” argument- because of the time and money to travel to the main campus – doesn’t make sense if you consider that those low income students can’t get all the classes they need at these satellite campuses – even if it was made larger at Jefferson. It is not realistic to have all of the general ed, science, math, art, and vocational classes at a small campus. That is why the smart people 45 years ago decided on ONE campus at the current location.

    I guess my biggest complaint about this discussion is a lot of people think CR will be a perfect sugar daddy with unlimited funds and without political changes that leave the westside with even more blight. Look under the hood, CR has as many or more problems than the city of Eureka.

  179. Heidi
    December 24, 2010 at 10:00 pm


    the numbers came out of the SHN strategic plan, it is not 215000 sq ft, it is 17954 sq ft of usable space.

    And you are right, my punctuation is terrible and I am notorious for run on sentences. Tech writing has never been my strong suit, but the content? Gimme a break.

  180. cheesedick
    December 24, 2010 at 10:22 pm

    So the lease is $17,954/month?

  181. High Finance
    December 25, 2010 at 7:57 am

    After reading your post Heidi, I think your 215,000 sq ft
    number may be the ANNUAL square footage (engineers think, talk
    & act differently than the rest of us). In other words the
    17,954 sq ft figure you quoted multiplied by 12 months. So lets use
    those figures of a $215,000 annual rent. Even if the charter school
    could possibly get 120 students (a high fetched number) their
    entire annual income would only be $700,000. There is no possible
    way on earth that the school could come close to paying that amount
    of rent and pay for at least 7-8 teachers, plus janitor, principal,
    part-time nurse, psycholgist, PG&E, insurance, advertising,
    water/sewer and on and on and on. At the very extreme, they might
    be able to pay $50,000. If the school got only 70 kids they would
    not be able to afford any rent at all. You people are looking at
    this with your heart & not your heads. Using your heart has
    its place but not when you are talking about starting a new
    business venture.

    December 25, 2010 at 10:07 am

    HiFi’s comment above reads like a current example of enough of today’s home-ownership financial efforts…….. no real possible way to own the home tomorrow but what the heck for today.

    What would government have people do? Own more debt; or, live happily ever after?

    anon1 says:
    December 24, 2010 at 4:15 pm
    Anybody who ever started a business didn’t have built in customers..You put good people in the position that know what they’re doing and push forward making a business work..Little by little…Like Harper motors,Pierson’s,Security National, or any other business..Work hard don’t RIP anybody off. Usually with a good product, good service, and a vision. The chances for things to work out are good..If you don’t try you can never fail and a vision will never become a reality for the people..Not big business.

    Too funny the quote and the word “rip-off”. I remember growing-up and parents just “goin’ off” about how Harpers was “rippin off” its local customers and how parents would drive to Ukiah, Santa Rosa, etc.. to purchase that new truck or car. Then Security National was used as a “good example of good business”? Hmmmm, there is nothing from the financial sector or industry that is a good example of doing business. Pierson’s BC – now, aside from the product sales and selection, they too still sell products that are 5-10 times more expensive than say a Platt Electric or other parts distributors. So, it really seems to fall back on the customer to “understand business” and not be its “bailout pawn” inheriting by purchase those over-valueated products that cost too much time and money to maintain, use, operate, etc….. for long term stablenesses.


  183. Anon2
    December 27, 2010 at 11:36 am

    I guess Hi Fi’s numbers must be irrefutable.

    Henchman, I will defend to the death your right to say whatever it was that you just said.

  184. A-Nony-Mouse
    December 27, 2010 at 4:31 pm

    The charter school should ‘recapture’ some students that now travel to Arcata, so the bar for new Eureka students isn’t really that high. I can’t tell you what rent they could pay but I bet Heidi could. There is also the addition of Red Cross classes (they pay rent for classrooms in the evenings), and the commercial kitchen which would rent out to startup businesses at night like they do in Arcata.
    I don’t think HiFi has read the business plan or the financial plan for the site. He would rather be gloomy. “Poor poor Jefferson. Nothing can ever work there. I know ’cause HiFi told me so”. Why not focus on the positive, the energy, and the benefits? Maybe HiFI just couldn’t stand anyone actually being PROUD of his/her neighborhood? What a concept!!!

  185. A-Nony-Mouse
    December 27, 2010 at 4:35 pm

    I also notice many more posts from C/R fan than I’ve
    possibly made. Strange he should think i do this all day. I pop in
    from time to time but never have this damn box on for more than an
    hour or two. And I never use any other names. Why should I? CR is a
    red herring. It’s not a villain, just the wrong tenant for
    Jefferson School. CR has its own problems without taking on

  186. Anonymous
    December 27, 2010 at 5:27 pm

    I believe the charter director presented with the committee not only at the council meeting but also they referred to a meeting before council, ms brady said she thought they would be there to offer information but all she got was presentations yet she still seemed uninformed. It sure seems like these guys are doing their home work to me. It also seems like all partys are talking, no secrets, no surprises the new man and marion were uninformed, and they clearly have their own agenda anyway, why would they even try to get informed, some of the responsibility should be their own. .

  187. Joel Mielke
    December 28, 2010 at 5:48 pm

    “Henchman, I will defend to the death your right to say whatever it was that you just said.”

    Thanks very much for making me blow wine out my nose, Anon2.

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