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T-S to clean-up comments

Readers may have noticed that the Times-Standard is ditching anonymous comments on its website and will require a Facebook account for anyone who cares to leave on-line feedback.

The Humboldt Herald welcomes this improvement.  It doesn’t take many forays into the T-S comments section to realize the internet has so much more to offer than the bile anonymously spewed there.

Such sentiments from an anonymous blogger are sure to raise hackles of those who suffer elevated blood pressure from the existence of the Herald. But let us recall the oft-stated differences between this g*dd*mn f*cking blog and the proper, official, totally legit outfit that is the real newz.  Those reporters have names, phone numbers and offices where their professional hind ends can be contacted by people who care to deliver a grievance.  This blogger does not.  Feel free to spew away in the comments section below — they might even make it past moderation standards.

Maybe the new requirements will encourage more readership — and even participation — in the T-S comments section.  Perhaps this blogger will even check them out when time allows after slogging through the brilliant anonymous commentary left here.

  1. Anonomi
    January 12, 2011 at 10:12 pm

    It’s hard to tell who the enemy is unless you know who they are……. or something like that. Here’s to more open gun fights……. none of this cowardly gorilla stuff.

  2. Anonymous
    January 12, 2011 at 10:42 pm

    This is a net loss for communication because political consultants will still pretend to be a bunch of different people, but now they’ll have the appearance of legitimacy because the comments will come from Facebook accounts with real-sounding names.

    It takes just a minute to create a fake Facebook account.

  3. DavidIsley
    January 12, 2011 at 10:58 pm

    Appears that Goldman-Sachs will eventually be Rupert Murdoch’s only competitor in the “lamestream” media arena.

  4. January 12, 2011 at 11:03 pm

    This was going to happen at some point. More of a when than an if… that comment section was the gutter. It can only get better.

  5. f*ing blogger
    January 12, 2011 at 11:17 pm

    Like!

  6. Anonymous
    January 12, 2011 at 11:33 pm

    ha ha (like nelson from the simpsons)

  7. F*ing Anonypotami
    January 13, 2011 at 12:41 am

    [Quote] “clearly qualidoobians believe in scooby doo and rastafartians do the watusi underwater, while far diagonal ubertubers practice farzabarzadarzawarza. It’s all about finding a loopy scoopy doopy about who belongs to the least exorcistic mandalabras and candelabras concerning proletaritits– and tots– to conjure ELVIS.” [/Quote]

    (titters to Random Guy’s previous brilliance)

  8. Tinkerbell
    January 13, 2011 at 12:49 am

    Who cares? You can still email the YS if you want.

  9. Franklin
    January 13, 2011 at 7:22 am

    The Times-Standard becomes less relevant by the minute. As does the concept of a free press and free expression of ideas.

  10. Carol
    January 13, 2011 at 8:15 am

    “We don’t yet know Facebook’s results for 2010 but it has been reported that the company’s revenue could be as much as $2 billion. That’s almost a 160% increase over 2009! Well, it’s Facebook so perhaps we should expect such results that reportedly are largely attributable to advertising growth. The odor is increasing.

    I am quite dubious about the Facebook — Goldman Sachs transaction because we’ve been there before. Back in the late 1990s and early 2000s we heard about company’s such as Lucent Technologies, Sunbeam, Qwest, WorldCom and, off course, Enron that all had one thing in common — they cooked the books and fooled investors into thinking they were doing a lot better than the true numbers indicated. I hope that’s not the case with the Facebook deal for the sake of the investors and our fragile economy. Otherwise, there may be a sequel to the movie, The Social Network — The Demise of the Social Network!”

    from:
    http://www.ethicssage.com/2011/01/facebook-goldman-sachs-deal.html

  11. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    January 13, 2011 at 8:31 am

    Yep, experienced that switcharooski last evening

    T-S is joining the fascist club even deeper now through FaceBook, wow.

    The real deal is that T-S has a lot of posters for whom they know are politically threatening to the T-S insider political agenda that it has with those political characters it protects and endorses locally.

    The switch to Facebook is to eliminate as many of these anti Times Standard folks as possible (those who break down the insider media political agenda – T-S is a wet rag of a pulp product. This ain’t about money; rather, it is about forcing out people who will never use FaceBook, and those who do, will simply be defrauded by internet scammers, eventually. Facebook is a personal security threat – anyone who understand politics understands the threat of FaceBook to the individual and the power it gives to government and internet frauds who seek personal informations. So, this move also forces people to do business with a multi-billion dollar company – hmmm, I thought Humboldt was all about local….err, wait, the T-S owner is an out-of-stater-media-fascist regime endorser for pyramid scheming and graftations of societies memebers.

    Last – it ain’t about identity as T-S already allows people to identify themself. This switch is a switch to inconvenience many and eliminate some posters from interacting on the site due to some T-S moderator not enjoying the facts that certain posters advertise that hurt the corrupt local public figures who use the T-S as a political shelter and a political tool to promote fabricated agendas.

    Jeffrey Lytle
    McKinleyville – 5th District

  12. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    January 13, 2011 at 8:33 am

    Carol,

    the little jizz-head that owns FaceBook – the youngin – is a fascist pervert to want to do to people’s identity for profit what he is doing. Nothing about FaceBook helps mankind’s evolutionary advances. Facebook is deplorable.

    JL

  13. Anonymous
    January 13, 2011 at 9:00 am

    Nothing about FaceBook helps mankind’s evolutionary advances

    Umm, Henchman, are you expecting a website to affect the evolution of our species? Perhaps you should lay off using big words for a while.

  14. Anonymous
    January 13, 2011 at 9:05 am

    Tinkerbell asks who cares. Who cares????

    Some of us are on a fixed budget. With Domino and his friends not sharing their thoughts as frequently, how are we to heat our homes?

  15. Anononymous
    January 13, 2011 at 9:13 am

    How could the Herald “welcome this improvement”? The posters here are no less anonymous than the T/S posters were. Most of the coments there were tame compared to many of the comments here.

    And then what about the 95% of us who do not have, nor do we want to have, a Facebook account ? Those of us without a Facebook account cannot even read the three or four posters left who do post comments !

    What the Times Standard did was essentially end their public comments. All ends because of a tiny handful of immature asswipes ?

    The answer to the problem was far easier than ending comments altogether. But the T/S really did not want to work, the reporters really did not want to be criticised. Franklin is right at 7.22am, the Times is accelerating its slide into irrelevancy & obscurity.

  16. tra
    January 13, 2011 at 9:14 am

    Oh no! With the Times-Standard tightening the rules on their comments section, where will the screechers and preachers go to spew their hateful bile?

    Uh-oh, brace yourself Heraldo. If that crowd heads over here, you’re going to find yourself spending a lot more time deleting defamatory and threatening posts.

    Hopefully most of those creeps will just slink over to the Mirror, where they belong.

  17. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    January 13, 2011 at 9:14 am

    Anonymous says:
    January 13, 2011 at 9:00 am
    Nothing about FaceBook helps mankind’s evolutionary advances

    Umm, Henchman, are you expecting a website to affect the evolution of our species? Perhaps you should lay off using big words for a while.

    Response: I can handle it little mocking bird. If you enjoy that FaceBook type of evolution, you can have it. Down the road though, you’ll need health insurance for the persoanl pain suffered by FaceBook.

    JL

  18. January 13, 2011 at 9:17 am

    Uh-oh, brace yourself Heraldo. If that crowd heads over here, you’re going to find yourself spending a lot more time deleting defamatory and threatening posts.

    The Herald has measures in place to limit the garbage freely spewed on the former T-S comments section. Moderating pointless, vile comments is a major time suck and it’s easy to see why they don’t want to do it.

  19. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    January 13, 2011 at 9:22 am

    Anononymous says:
    January 13, 2011 at 9:13 am
    How could the Herald “welcome this improvement”? The posters here are no less anonymous than the T/S posters were. Most of the coments there were tame compared to many of the comments here.

    And then what about the 95% of us who do not have, nor do we want to have, a Facebook account ? Those of us without a Facebook account cannot even read the three or four posters left who do post comments !

    What the Times Standard did was essentially end their public comments. All ends because of a tiny handful of immature asswipes ?

    The answer to the problem was far easier than ending comments altogether. But the T/S really did not want to work, the reporters really did not want to be criticised. Franklin is right at 7.22am, the Times is accelerating its slide into irrelevancy & obscurity.

    Response: it was not immature arsewipes – it was those with facts that were making the T-S ragdoll look exactly like it is – a rag doll. T-S insiders are merely protecting local fraudulant citizens connected to politics by eliminating the locals that make-up the base of internet reades and posters, that is all.

    Yes, let’s also assume that the Tuscon shooting and connected retoric also had some value in this T-S decision to eliminate more posters and content. Why? Why not? Afterall, a national tragedy is a perfect excuse to change even when change is not necessary because that which led to the change really had nothing to do with the national tragedy.

    JL

  20. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    January 13, 2011 at 9:25 am

    Heraldo says:
    January 13, 2011 at 9:17 am
    Uh-oh, brace yourself Heraldo. If that crowd heads over here, you’re going to find yourself spending a lot more time deleting defamatory and threatening posts.

    The Herald has measures in place to limit the garbage freely spewed on the former T-S comments section. Moderating pointless, vile comments is a major time suck and it’s easy to see why they don’t want to do it.

    Response: Why moderate as a human when computes can do it. Also, as a human, you could have just disallowed the poster from ever posting again, after a warning of course. No time suck, see…it is very easy. Then again, everyone has their host reasons.

    JL

  21. Rumbustious
    January 13, 2011 at 10:08 am

    Since one can always create a phony Facebook account, linked to a gmail or hotmail address created solely for the Facebook purpose, I don’t see what the big hoo-hah is about. The poster can still be effectively anonymous.

  22. January 13, 2011 at 10:11 am

    The TS comment area was hardly worth using, but now you have to go through MyFace? I intentionally don’t have a FB page and don’t really want one. Could be useful for finding old friends, but just to comment on the TS website?

  23. January 13, 2011 at 10:47 am

    Tried to set up a Facebook under stenchmans name but someone beat me to it,watch out little jeffy.

  24. January 13, 2011 at 11:24 am

    Tried to set up a Facebook under stenchmans name but someone beat me to it,watch out little jeffy.

    The Henchman is part of a Syndicate. You go a few hundred miles south, you will be in the district of another Henchman of Justice. At least that is what I read

  25. Anonymous
    January 13, 2011 at 11:35 am

    If you enjoy that FaceBook type of evolution,

    For a second time, you demonstrate that you don’t know the meaning of the word ‘evolution.’

  26. January 13, 2011 at 12:43 pm

    We’ve already seen the destruction of independence on the internet. Thanks to the FCC, the three major companies can, and will, slow-down sites they don’t like, and beef up sites that are in line with the New American Century. Perhaps Faceb**k (Beware of Copyright Law) is being setup to be the de facto internet ID. What’s really sad is the way the net is turning into another Direct TV with one or two channels for people who want a “Web-site” In the last ten years I’ve watched the freedom of expression on the web die a slow death.
    I never understood why people gravitated towards one single search engine. G**gle has become the clearing-house for all internet searches. You want to get a good idea of what kind of control they have over everything you do? Go to “Advanced Search” and try to skip the first couple of thousand pages to search for small independent shops doing business in the trade you’re searching for. You won’t find them. Your search is completely controlled by G**gle. You will be funneled through the paid for sites first. I’ve searched for say: Kayaks-(for sale). I get a million sites, Ok by the time I’ve reached the tenth page, I’m into articles about kayaks and chatrooms about Kayaks. Does that mean that after I’ve exhausted the first fifty commercial sites that there are no more stores? of course not, there are a hundred thousand stores. But how could g**gle sell it’s placement, if it “allowed” us to skip to the mom and pop shops? They took over the internet with help from the FCC and the Commerce dept. The internet is nothing more than a shopping channel with a few extras.
    I have no problem with internet ID. You should have a good reason to be anonymous. But I want to own my ID. I feel violated that companies like g**gle and faceb**k get to steal my demographic information and buy and sell it and make money on it; and I never see a dime of it.
    Another example of our loss of power on the internet, is companies like the two mentioned, now completely control the look, the template and style of your page. you have no choice in the size of the ads, or whether you even want ads on your page. With G**gle, you can’t even upload your own pictures to use for background. Same is true with WordPress. They now control every aspect of the page design. the only way around it is to make your own web page with html. Good luck with that, because that to is being shoved to the back room. Yes, you can design your own page, but the url with have fifty or sixty letters, numbers and characters, so no one will ever be able to find it.
    It’s just like it was in the late 1940’s with Television. it was going to be the great empowerment of individuals. There was talk of private broadcasters sending out signals from their garages. Well, we saw what happened with TV and Radio. The internet is no different. The rich capitalists have stolen it for themselves, and they will charge us whatever the market will bare to use it. While at the same time making it less and less useful.
    They can have the web, they can have the gold and the silver, they can have the oil; but when they hold back the water and air, I’ll be ready to fight. Of course by then it will be too late.

  27. Anonymous
    January 13, 2011 at 12:50 pm

    That’s the first really enjoyable thing I’ve read from Moviedad in quite a while. (Am I still permitted to post kudos anonymously?)

  28. January 13, 2011 at 1:06 pm

    I just made my first two T-S comments using the Facebook thing. No big deal, but not as fun as the old Topix format.

    But, it seems to work as I expected. I’m the only one that commented on those stories, so far, so I get the last word!

  29. Toohey
    January 13, 2011 at 5:45 pm

    If half the inbred yahoos come over here from the T-S it will raise the average IQ of commenter’s on both sites.

  30. Thinking
    January 13, 2011 at 6:27 pm

    The T-S gets a lot of well deserved criticism.

    However, to their credit, they never did something so stupid, so partisan and so low class as the Humboldt Herald’s topic on blaming Sarah Palin for the Tucson murders.

  31. Ponder z
    January 13, 2011 at 7:28 pm

    Thinking 6:27 is right on, the, oh, umm, TARGET!!!

    And as for the other BS about the AZ shootings on HH. You have to ask HH, really?

  32. January 13, 2011 at 9:09 pm

    Market will “Bear” dammit! “BEAR” like Yogi. Ahhhgh!

  33. pete
    January 14, 2011 at 3:17 am

    Now a person has to get facebook or send a letter to the editor that will get edited, not printed or printed many weeks after the topic is old and dead. TS gets rid of all the comments they don’t like. When a poster lets everyone in on some of the dirty backwater local politics, they don’t want to risk retribution from the yahoos. Times Standard is living up to their other names of Sub Standard and Slime Standard. Freedom of the press, news and ideas-kiss em goodbye.

  34. anon1
    January 14, 2011 at 5:05 am

    tooley–You smokin crack again?

  35. Ponder z
    January 14, 2011 at 5:51 am

    Pete 3:17,

    In the last two days of TS, I have noticed …….improvement. More detail in reports, less pro pot and liberalism. You can still send a letter to the editor, or comment online (facebook). They may edit but your facebook account is up for all to see. I predict a slue of Fakebook accounts to happen though. Let me be the first to call them that, new tech slang (FAKEBOOK)LOL. FKB for you txters.

  36. Casey
    January 14, 2011 at 8:08 am

    Now you only see happy upbeat comments on the TS
    forum. FB people appear to paint phoney pictures and
    stories of their perfect lives. Let’s hear the real
    stories LOL!

  37. Queso Pendejo
    January 14, 2011 at 11:16 am

    It all reminds me of the Twilight Zone episode where the residents of a small town must pretend they are happy in order to placate a young boy (Billy Mumy) who has terrifying mental powers.

  38. Anonymous
    January 14, 2011 at 11:18 am

    Pete hit the nail on the head.

  39. plainy
    January 14, 2011 at 3:40 pm

    FOR THE RECORD:
    The T-S is not doing this. It is a move by their parent company, Media News Group. Every paper they own is being required to make the change. The T-S gets zero credit for this because they have to do it whether they want to or not.
    It doesn’t matter because, as previous posters have noted, the T-S has gone back to its former occupation of digging its own grave.

  40. Anonymous
    January 14, 2011 at 3:43 pm

    Whichever system is used, someone needs to sift the wheat from the trash.

  41. January 14, 2011 at 4:20 pm

    [Quote] “clearly qualidoobians believe in scooby doo and rastafartians do the watusi underwater, while far diagonal ubertubers practice farzabarzadarzawarza. It’s all about finding a loopy scoopy doopy about who belongs to the least exorcistic mandalabras and candelabras concerning proletaritits– and tots– to conjure ELVIS.” [/Quote]

    Henchman? Is that you?

  42. jupe
    January 14, 2011 at 6:01 pm

    new comments are boring, unrevealing & selective

  43. huufc
    January 14, 2011 at 7:24 pm

    Garbage spewed freely? …”inflammatory swine”. Let’s hope so.

  44. Scott W. Binder
    January 15, 2011 at 6:12 am

    I’m glad to see them make the switch. T/S Topix was soo entrenched in trolldom that a comment thread was irrelevant within the first few posts.

    …and if you don’t have the testicular fortitude to put your name behind your comment, adopt a pair.

  45. High Finance
    January 15, 2011 at 11:40 am

    Binder is more right than wrong in this.

    Still, it is sad to see the T/S decline even more. It once was a good paper.

  46. January 15, 2011 at 12:21 pm

    Craigslist’s Rants and Raves; enough said.

  47. Just A Citizen
    January 15, 2011 at 1:59 pm

    Now the TS is free to print only the happy and sappy letters. This way no one reading outside of this town will know the dirty politics of this place.

  48. anonymous
    January 15, 2011 at 2:02 pm

    It was better when TS had to compete with the THE REPORTER.

  49. January 15, 2011 at 2:57 pm

    Except that it was so worried about being labeled the “Liberal Alternative” to the Reporter, that it tried to outdo them in terms of Government talking points and corporate propaganda.
    I think they are very short-sighted. If they did make themselves an “Alternative” paper, they would be shocked at how popular they would be. Not only from those searching for unbiased truth; but also those trying to prevent it from ever seeing the light of day.

  50. taxed
    January 15, 2011 at 6:07 pm

    Again the TS has outdone themselves. They are a genuine piece of toilet paper. Actually not that high a quality paper. They just edited someone calling themselves Redwood Troll. He was blogging about the mexican drug cartel. His posts were outrageously funny. TS SUCKS

  51. Anonymous
    January 16, 2011 at 6:53 am

    Smart, Moviedad, because “alternative” papers are so rare and so successful.

    Let me guess, you’re not in business are you.

  52. January 16, 2011 at 7:49 am

    I ain’t afraid of no ghost.

  53. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    January 16, 2011 at 9:01 am

    Upthread, comments were made with respect to the Parent Company, protecting inside interests/dirty politics (it takes at least 2 politically to tango), etc…

    Response: It does not matter that the parent company (Media News Group) is outta state.

    Why: Because even though the corporate “heads of state if you will/ownership interest class level types” don’t live and work here locally, they still hire local people, some local people who use their local employment position knowing it is a tool for political interests and agendas (either by using that media source to openly transmit dirty politics or not).

    It does not matter even if the wet rag does less promotion of its material here locally and more non-locally because by that way, as others upthread have stated, no one will have that choice to find out; and, the less pressure to produce some material to the local citizenry, then the less material they shall get – corporate HQ understand that by shifting its approach by mandatory “company best interest shenanigans” that it can effectually shift social atmospheres within any community by reducing here or increasing over there the amount of irrelative and immaterial information/non-news that has really nothing to do with the local area not served, as well as, any other area that which does not host that locally sited media/paper outlet business.

    JL

  54. taxed
    January 16, 2011 at 12:09 pm

    The blog was the best thing the TS had going for it. It was a place for the reading public to give there opinion immediately. Keep the public ignorant and call the shots. This town seems to take one step forward then the backwater locals pull it right back where it started from.

  55. Anonymous
    January 16, 2011 at 12:26 pm

    What the hell does “backwater locals” have to do with this other than your paranoid delusions ? The parent company of the Times Standard headquarted down south made the decision for all their newspapers.

    Move on please, no conspiracy here.

  56. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    January 16, 2011 at 2:20 pm

    Anonymous says:
    January 16, 2011 at 12:26 pm
    What the hell does “backwater locals” have to do with this other than your paranoid delusions ? The parent company of the Times Standard headquarted down south made the decision for all their newspapers.

    Move on please, no conspiracy here.</blockquote?

    Response: The non transparent poster could never be connected to local politcal manipulators and their agendized conpiratorial actions. Is it 100% of the time – absolutely not.

    Does it exists – ABSOLUTELY, with or without media outlets. Squash public inputs and participations through medium forums and other oulets that serve other than the local area. No communication is a good thing for those who graft, steal, defraud, corrupt, launder, manipulated, deceive, etc…. It is like fabricating or doctoring a police report to fit a political agenda that is damaging to the victims of that agenda.

    JL

  57. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    January 16, 2011 at 2:20 pm

    Anonymous says:
    January 16, 2011 at 12:26 pm
    What the hell does “backwater locals” have to do with this other than your paranoid delusions ? The parent company of the Times Standard headquarted down south made the decision for all their newspapers.

    Move on please, no conspiracy here.

    Response: The non transparent poster could never be connected to local politcal manipulators and their agendized conpiratorial actions. Is it 100% of the time – absolutely not.

    Does it exists – ABSOLUTELY, with or without media outlets. Squash public inputs and participations through medium forums and other oulets that serve other than the local area. No communication is a good thing for those who graft, steal, defraud, corrupt, launder, manipulated, deceive, etc…. It is like fabricating or doctoring a police report to fit a political agenda that is damaging to the victims of that agenda.

    JL

  58. humboldturtle
    January 16, 2011 at 2:24 pm

    Thanks for posting, Henchy. It’s good to see the sun.

  59. Anonymous
    January 16, 2011 at 9:20 pm

    How dare heraldo adopt a superior tone & say the Times Standard is cleaning up the bile the T/S had in its comment section, while heraldo himself encourages much worse bile in his own Ulansky thread.

    Clean up your own house first before criticising others you jackwad.

  60. January 16, 2011 at 10:12 pm

    Encourages? Ha.

    Kiss my Ulanskey.

  61. Anonymous
    January 17, 2011 at 1:49 pm

    The TS has now watered down their blog to match their boring lackluster small town no “news” paper. They are censoring the Face Book comments. Heaven help that some real information or feelings of distrust be known. Now they can make sure that no one says anything they don’t like. The citizens of this county are silenced if they do not agree. Now everyone be sure to get a Face Book account and be sweet and bland. What a SHITTY LITTLE PAPER

  62. Anonymous
    January 18, 2011 at 11:09 am

    The Times-Standard moderates its comments section, not for political content, but to remove SHITTY language.

    Only time will tell whether Facebook helps the T-S achieve a forum where issues can be discussed without sujecting the reader to gutter filth.

  63. Annonymous
    January 18, 2011 at 11:55 am

    They could have done the same thing on their own blog.

  64. January 18, 2011 at 5:58 pm

    “Clean up your own house first before criticising others…”

    Anonymous then ran off in a huff to the Humboldt Mirror, where comments are so much more civil.

  65. anonymous
    January 19, 2011 at 7:42 am

    And who wants the Mexican cartel looking at your FB
    page???

  66. Annonymous
    January 19, 2011 at 11:09 am

    The Herald is no more civil than the Mirror is.

  67. January 20, 2011 at 6:46 am

    Anonymous has obviously never visited the Mirror.

  68. Anonymous
    January 20, 2011 at 8:23 am

    Joel has obviously never visited the Dear Sarah Palin topic here.

  69. taxed
    January 20, 2011 at 5:59 pm

    TS Sucks!

  70. January 20, 2011 at 8:29 pm

    I challenge Anonymous 8:23 to post the worst comments he can find on the Sarah Palin thread. I will then go (not far) into the the most recent thread on the Mirror and share what I find. Don’t worry, I’ll clean my shoes off before I come back.

  71. taxed
    January 20, 2011 at 8:37 pm

    Anonymous 11:09 sorry to have to tell you this but the TS is a SHITTY paper.

  72. January 21, 2011 at 7:20 pm

    I won’t hold my breath for Anonymous 8:23 to respond.

  73. Anonymous
    January 22, 2011 at 8:56 am

    Oh I don’t know about your circles Joel, but in my world accusing somebody of murdering children & innocents is about as bad as you can get. In fact I think Heraldo is guilty of worse inflamatory rhetoric than anything Sarah Palin has ever done in her life.

  74. January 22, 2011 at 9:31 am

    She wasn’t accused of murdering anyone, Anonymous. In “my world,” I expect people who are able to post comments to also be able to read and comprehend.

  75. Anonymous
    January 22, 2011 at 3:04 pm

    Lets stop the pretense and the word games shall we? She was accused, (along with Beck, Limbaugh and all of talk radio), of inciting people to murder. In my world, I expect people to debate honestly instead of nitpicking word games.

  76. Plain Jane
    January 22, 2011 at 3:31 pm

    Did you ever respond to the questions about Palin’s claim in her “blood libel” speech that accusing her of inciting violence was inciting violence against her, 3:04? Since Palin acknowledges that accusing people of evil can incite violence, how can she possibly claim that her (and the rest of the right wing pantheon)lying accusations don’t incite people to violence? We all agree that only crazy people actually take these demagogues seriously, but they are out there and Beck and Palin know that as well as you or I. Beck’s latest victim is a 78 year old woman, an academic who, since Beck has “targeted” her repeatedly as the cause of the economic crisis, of trying to incite violence and trying to destroy the American economy, has received numerous death threats, even on Beck’s own site which he had the ability to remove but did not.

    Either rhetoric can incite violence or it can’t. If violence can be incited against Palin by accusations, true or not, then the same is true of those she and her ilk incite with false accusations.

  77. January 22, 2011 at 3:53 pm

    Anonymous objects to “pretense and the word games,” except when it serves his own purposes. I wonder how he would feel if gun nuts put crosshairs on him?

  78. Plain Jane
    January 22, 2011 at 4:11 pm

    It isn’t SANE people who are making death threats against Frances Fox Piven, Congresswoman Giffords, or Sarah Palin. Death threats are at record levels. Some of that is undoubtedly attributable to bad economic times, but a lot is undeniably attributable to crazy people being repeatedly provoked to focus on certain “enemies” by the media, a relatively recent phenomenon.

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