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Ulansey gets another bite at Eureka Planning Commission

Lee Ulansey.

Frank Jager will do what former Eureka Mayor Virginia Bass failed to accomplish  — get Lee Ulansey of the Humboldt Coalition of Property Rights on the city Planning Commission.  His nomination is on the agenda for Tuesday’s meeting.

Bass first nominated Ulansey to the Commission in 2009 but couldn’t get the the 4/5 vote required for an nominee who lives outside city limits.  Ulansey lived at Freshwater at the time, but indicated that could change.  Councilmembers Linda Atkins and Larry Glass dissented.

But now that the council is stacked by the Borg, Ulansey is a shoo-in.  Glass is out and Atkins is the sole independent thinker outside the hive mind.

As noted during the 2009 debate, Ulansey believes that people should have an “absolute choice over where and how” they live, which should make work on the Planning Commission irrelevant.  HumCPR supports what it calls the “rural lifestyle” and its supporters depict urban life in the cities of Eureka and Arcata as rats in a cage where hill folk will be crammed shoulder-to-shoulder with other meth-smoking freaks after Humboldt County Supervisor Mark Lovelace takes over the world and decrees it so.

Resistance is futile.

  1. January 15, 2011 at 12:52 am

    Love the Star Trek reference. Assimilate!

  2. Anonymous
    January 15, 2011 at 2:00 am

    Eureka is quickly becoming a slow motion train wreck. It is so hard to watch.

  3. Ponder z
    January 15, 2011 at 6:17 am

    I also live outside the CITY, but own property inside city limits. So I am subject to the ridiculous city laws and tax increases. I welcome Lee to the PC. It will be an improvement.

  4. January 15, 2011 at 8:18 am

    Wouldn’t bother me if he’d just get rid of that ugly beard.

  5. Carol
    January 15, 2011 at 8:36 am

    It is a rare day when I agree with Fred.

  6. Carol
    January 15, 2011 at 8:36 am

    No, just kidding.

  7. taxed
    January 15, 2011 at 9:14 am

    Perfect timing for the Times Standard to pull their blog.

  8. Not A Native
    January 15, 2011 at 9:15 am

    Ulansey was on the civil grand jury last year. He was the principal behind the hit piece it did on the District Attorney’s office in support of unseating Gallegos. So, he’s proven his loyalty to the cause. His prejudiced attitudes and tactics resulted in acrimony among the jurors and complaints and resignation requests to the supervising chief judge.

  9. Anonymous
    January 15, 2011 at 10:23 am

    Isn’t Lee Ulancey one of those people that run around yelling that anyone that disagrees with them “extremist” and “divisive”? And now he wants to be on a commission? What a joke. Except its not funny.

  10. longwind
    January 15, 2011 at 10:36 am

    Lee was incredibly successful in getting popular but pre-rejected views represented before the county Planning Commission. What’s wrong with a range of views in Eureka?

    Now that so many of Heraldo’s boogeymen are coming into office, I suppose we’ll hear more and more Boogeyman-talk about caged-rat meth-freaks and similar impartial policy summations. I look forward to anonymous explanations of what’s really going on.

  11. anon1
    January 15, 2011 at 11:02 am

    longwind isn’t!

  12. 06em
    January 15, 2011 at 11:36 am

    Is this the same Lee Ulansey who worked for The Center Companies, a mega-mall ownership group?

    If this is the same guy, the beard is simply a disguise to fool locals into believing he’s one of us.

    Do you like the congestion and sprawl and endless parking lots of SoCal? Then you’ll love his ideas for Eureka.

  13. High Finance
    January 15, 2011 at 11:38 am

    How terrible!

    Ulansey believes that people should have a choice as to how & where they live? He supports the rural lifestyle?

    Off with his head!

    From now on I will consult Heraldo as to his opinon of people nominated for various commissions. If he is opposed to them, I will support them.

  14. Anonymous
    January 15, 2011 at 11:38 am

    Lee Elansey runs a Political Action Committee called Humcpr. That should be enough to disqualify him-but it won’t be. Humcpr spent over 50,000 in the past election to support their conservative candidates. I support some of the same candidates, but that muddies Lee’s ability to be impartial.

  15. High Finance
    January 15, 2011 at 12:06 pm


  16. Anon
    January 15, 2011 at 12:14 pm

    I think Lee would be a good fit for the Eureka PC–Eureka could use to have more development, esp. redevelopment (with or without redevelopment funds). More people living along the waterfront and in Old Town would be better for business, lower crime, etc. I say go for it!

  17. A-Nony-Mouse
    January 15, 2011 at 12:19 pm

    It is impossible to believe that there are no other qualified people who actually LIVE IN Eureka. Ulansey has shown clear anti-planning prejudice and does not belong on any Planning Commission, City or County.
    Jager’s claim that he will “calm things down” and “seek consensus” just flew right out the window. He did OK with his seat appointment but this retread is one step too far in the wrong direction.

    BTW, HiFi, Heraldo likes Fillet Mignon and good wine. So I guess you’re opposed to both by definition. Too bad. They’re nice!

  18. Anonymous
    January 15, 2011 at 12:46 pm

    Anti-planning ideologues are bad for business. You think there is uncertainty for developers now. Just wait. The chaos that Ulancey will bring to the city planning process will end up driving more businesses to Arcata. Sad.

  19. Anonymous
    January 15, 2011 at 1:05 pm

    Anonymous 2 am, nothing slow about this trainwreck, my god, twisted wreckage and carnage, if you have to look, you are obligated to stop and help!

  20. anonymous
    January 15, 2011 at 1:33 pm

    Virginia gave planning commissioner Mike Egan the axe and tried to put Ulancey in before. Egan was thoroughly qualified being an engineer, smart and lived in Eureka. Maybe he was tossed out because he believes in historic preservation and lives in the west side Maybe it is because he can’t be bought. This should mean that although I live in Eureka I can be on the Arcata planning commission. Right?

  21. Anonymous
    January 15, 2011 at 1:45 pm

    Jager has made an interesting choice. If he was so inclined, Ulansey is perhaps the only person who could actually keep the developer crowd in check. He is personally pretty moderate dispite the sometimes feisty rhetoric. He is hardly beholden to anyone on the right and in actuality it is more the other way around. It’ll be fun to watch. I am actually suprised Jager didn’t go for someone more controlable and predictable. Ulansey is capable of being very independant.

  22. Anony
    January 15, 2011 at 1:55 pm

    Egan live in Fortuna.

  23. Walt
    January 15, 2011 at 2:09 pm

    “Humcpr spent over 50,000 in the past election to support their conservative candidates.” Golly, what a coincidence!

  24. Anonymous
    January 15, 2011 at 2:23 pm

    HumCPR didn’t spend anything on specific candidates or political races and went out of their way NOT to endorse a candidate though they certainly had unendorsed and obvious preferences.

  25. January 15, 2011 at 2:27 pm

    Nothing wrong with adding a city planning commissioner who supports local job growth.

  26. Mitch
    January 15, 2011 at 2:41 pm

    Geez. Ponder z owns property? I’d assumed he was somewhere between 12 and 14 years old. Live and learn.

  27. Anonymous
    January 15, 2011 at 4:04 pm

    The rural lifestyle = rural sprawl with McMansions and gated drives covering the hillsides. Makes true timber production properties look like environmental nirvana.

  28. Anonymous
    January 15, 2011 at 4:26 pm

    Saying you are “pro-business” and actually creating an environment that promotes job growth can be two very different things. Slowing down good planning will only deter businesses and the jobs they bring.

  29. Anonymous
    January 15, 2011 at 5:04 pm

    Local job growth, Rural lifestyle…my ass. The only lifestyle that Lee and CPR-bigwigs believe in is the “right” to capitalize on each and every one of their properties to the greatest extent possible. What about those that can’t afford land or a home? Tough sh!t as far as CPR’s concerned.

  30. Plain Jane
    January 15, 2011 at 5:05 pm

    These people want to take us back to a simpler time, to the third world where if you have the money you can do what you like and the majority live as wage slaves, with very slim chances of ever owning anything. They love doing business in the third world, but the shipping costs!!! Not to mention the bribes!

  31. A-Nony-Mouse
    January 15, 2011 at 5:30 pm

    Politically, Ulansey is a bad choice. Whatever the truth, he is perceived as an anti-planning, big developer type who does not live in Eureka. What right does he have to tell Eureka how to do its business? Since perception is everything, Jager would do well to pick someone from within the city, preferably someone who appreciates the unique aspects of our town. Come on, Frank. Show us that you’re representing EUREKA, not Freshwater.

  32. Anonymous
    January 15, 2011 at 5:47 pm

    Lee will work for the Eureka business class’ self-delusional path to self-destruction. Tally ho!

  33. anonymous
    January 15, 2011 at 5:56 pm

    Egan lives in Eureka.

  34. Anonymous
    January 15, 2011 at 6:04 pm

    I wonder if Bass supports Ulansey for Eureka Planning Commission. If so, it seems slightly contradictory given that she is looking to oust current County Planning Commissioner Jeff Smith simply because he no longer lives in the district he represents.

  35. Anonymous
    January 15, 2011 at 6:13 pm

    Ulansey certainly supported Bass for Supervisor. Not only did he endorse her, he contributed financially to her campaign. Bass appointed Jager as Mayor, Mayor nominates Ulansey. Follow the arrows, kids, and it starts to look like a diagram on Glen Beck – only with this diagram, the connections are crystal clear.

  36. Anonymous
    January 15, 2011 at 6:19 pm

    Wasn’t it Bass that appointed Ulansey in the first place? Some people see a conflict of interest because Smith is on the Eureka Redevelopment agency, Chairperson of the county Planning Commission and until recently he was the CFO of Danco, which gets many contracts throughout the county.

  37. Anonymous
    January 15, 2011 at 6:28 pm

    “Bass appointed Jager as Mayor”

    Sorry, there was that little think called an election. The one where Jager beat LaValle. Bass had nothing whatsoever to do with Jager becoming Mayor, the voters did.

    “looking to oust current County Planning Commissioner Jeff Smith simply because he no longer lives in the district he represents.”

    Unfortunately Smith is ineligible to continue serving due to the county ordinances. Lovelace refused to consider changing the rule not Bass.

    Somebodies sampling too much of the product.

    Oh yeah, Ulansey will do a great job.

  38. Anonymous
    January 15, 2011 at 6:31 pm

    “…he (Ulansey) is perceived as an anti-planning..”

    Good point, lets see how he does with the city planners. Bet they get along fine. Maybe the problem is with county planners not the majority of the public who hates dealing with them.

  39. Anonymous
    January 15, 2011 at 6:42 pm

    Has there been a conflict of interest going on with Smith? Danco uses a lot of that government funding. Eureka Redevelopment Agency, CFO of Danco and the head honcho on The County Planning Commission.

  40. Anonymous
    January 15, 2011 at 8:20 pm

    What county ordinance prevents smith from serving?

  41. Anonymous
    January 15, 2011 at 8:29 pm

    How many contracts has Danco gotten while Smith has been on the commission?

  42. Anonymous
    January 15, 2011 at 8:36 pm

    Bass has stated her only reason for ousting Smith is that he no longer lives in the fourth district. Bass voiced support for Smith to stay on, but in another seat.

    Seems that Bass does not believe there is a conflict of interest for him to serve. No mention has been made of any “ordinance” rendering Smith ineligible.

    PS – Bass’ support for Ulansey on Eureka’s Planning Commission is entirely hypocritical.

  43. Anonymous
    January 16, 2011 at 5:38 am

    How about facts rather than hyperbole here folks?

    There is no requirement to live in Eureka city limits in order to serve on Eureka boards & commissions. They only require that you live or work in Eureka. Almost half of Eurekans (Cutten, Pine Hill, Humboldt Hill, Myrtletown) don’t actually live inside the city limits.

    There is no conflict of interest in Jager selecting Ulansey just because Ulansey supported Jager in his election. There is only a conflict if Jager benefits financially by the nomination. Clearly he does not even by the most Beckish drawing of arrows nitwits try to draw.

    There might be something positive in having a pro development, anti planning department person on the planning department. Sometimes government bureaucrats need to be shakened & reminded they work for the people, the people do not work for them.

  44. Anonymous
    January 16, 2011 at 6:07 am

    Being “pro development, anti planning” is working “for the people”?

    Slumlords rejoice!

  45. Barb Leonard
    January 16, 2011 at 8:19 am

    “Isn’t Lee Ulancey one of those people that run around yelling that anyone that disagrees with them “extremist” and “divisive”?

    Funny, I think the same can be said of this blog.

    When the us vs. them attitude succumbs to reasonable discourse we might be able to move past the verbiage.

    In the meantime, calling voters stupid (a la Glass) and accusing fellow council members of breaking the law (a la Atkins) is just not a strategy to win the hearts and minds of the thousands that vote.

    I have been in favor of letting the West Side call the shots, however, after reading the NCJ article quoting Linda, Neil and Ron accusing the newly elected council members of everything from criminal action to being manipulated by a mysterious “higher power”, it’s hard for me to continue to support the project. If it’s difficult for me, a supporter, can you imagine how the new council members feel who only see the dollar signs and aren’t comfortable with spending city money?

    There is a conservative view of government spending. It’s legit and not born out of back room plots. The majority view is probably more on the conservative side these days to the economic turn down.

    The progressives have shot themselves down due to the circular firing squad of unreasonable accusations. The voters don’t buy it, so move on and come up with a better way of dealing with a difference of opinion.

    Publicly accusing honest hard working people of sinister and nefarious acts will neither cut it nor give you an edge in the argument.

    Same goes for the outrage over Ulansey and the accusations regarding his appointment. Get over it and let’s see what kind of planning commissioner he becomes before denouncing him.

  46. Anon
    January 16, 2011 at 8:50 am

    Each Supervisor gets to appoint one person from their district (meaning must live in that Supervisor’s district) to serve on the Planning Commission as that person will represent that district. There are also at large appointments – Gearheart and Emad that submitted letters of resignation and then said in the T-s that they would agree to stay if …. Virginia did say that if they resigned that Jeff Smith could be put in as an at large member. Sundberg also has a choice to select his own person or leave Mayo on. The other Supervisors do not get to “vote” on the choice and can only bicker about at large members.

  47. Anonymous
    January 16, 2011 at 10:02 am

    A true voice of reason on here is A-nony-mouse @ 5:30pm…
    “Politically, Ulansey is a bad choice. Whatever the truth, he is perceived as an anti-planning, big developer type who does not live in Eureka. What right does he have to tell Eureka how to do its business? Since perception is everything, Jager would do well to pick someone from within the city, preferably someone who appreciates the unique aspects of our town. Come on, Frank. Show us that you’re representing EUREKA, not Freshwater.”

  48. Anonymous
    January 16, 2011 at 10:11 am

    Barb Leonard has become a very divisive character, and has continued with her hypocrisy. I remember when Barb falsely claimed that the Herald were different members of the community that she did not agree with. Not based on any facts, but in response to the Herald writing a story about the Hansen settlement. She didn’t like this story being leaked-which it was written about in the ts a few days later-and then she starting accusing local politicians, a local police chief, and a coffee shop owner of being bottom dwellers and of being heraldo. Very divisive and lacking moral authority at this point. Your opinions have lost all validity, Barb. Go stir up the pot somewhere else.
    The concern should be, does a citizen from outside of Eureka, that financially donated to many of the candidates that just won in November, that runs a political action committee called Humcpr, does a person who has all of these traits best represent the community as a whole? And if Lee Ulansey is a possible candidate, shouldn’t we also consider Bill Pierson? He donates to local campaigns, has a vested interest in the community, he has a beard, and he’s also an artist. It’s amazing how many similarities there are. The point is that we need to start making decisions that don’t further divide the community, but bring them together. Bill Pierson as a candidate would cause the right to lose their minds, much as Lee Ulansey as a candidate has fired up the left. Do we have no one that hasn’t burned bridges either way-I’m not asking for Barb Leonard’s opinion either!

  49. Anonymous
    January 16, 2011 at 10:22 am

    “Jager would do well to pick someone from within the city..”

    You mean someone like Larry Glass who faked a move to Eureka to meet a residency requirement? At least Ulansey isn’t lying about where he lives and still meets all the requirements. Would you prefer that he got an apartment in old town that he never goes to?

    Or maybe someone like Linda Atkins who has no business in Eureka and only moved here a few years ago to get a bigger caltrans retirement?

    Both Larry and Linda care about Eureka and have a right to participate in city government. Ulansey moved here in the 70’s, has a business in Eureka that creates jobs and pays taxes, he too has a right to participate. To suggest that he doesn’t appreciate the unique aspects of Eureka is absurd. Try another angle cuz that one is dumb.

  50. Anonymous
    January 16, 2011 at 10:27 am

    10:11, If Bill Pierson wants to apply he should. He clearly meets the requirements and has a bonified interest in Eureka. Personally I would like it if he were a little more open and public with his opinions rather than simply writing huge checks to candidates.

  51. Plain Jane
    January 16, 2011 at 10:35 am

    The right to free speech includes the right not to speak, 10:27. Besides, SCOTUS has ruled definitively that money equals speech. I’m more concerned about the source of funding for PACs which dominate our nation’s political system, donors unknown, than a local guy making contributions which are publicly reported.

  52. Anonymous
    January 16, 2011 at 10:37 am

    Pierson and Ulansey might actually both be pretty good choices. Have lots of experience and a real vested interest in making Eureka a better place. There is nothing wrong with diversity on the commission.

  53. Anonymous
    January 16, 2011 at 10:40 am

    “I’m more concerned about the source of funding for PACs…”

    You mean like Local Solutions and all the DUHC groups, sub-groups, sub-sub-groups and affiliates?

  54. Joel Mielke
    January 16, 2011 at 10:40 am

    “…calling voters stupid … is just not a strategy to win the hearts and minds of the thousands that vote.”

    Ms. Leonard appears to agree with the good judgement of political consultants, but I wish that more politicians would speak with candor. References to the “wisdom of voters” are cynical tropes that reassure an electorate of dunces.

  55. High Finance
    January 16, 2011 at 10:57 am

    Bill Pierson would be a terrible choice.

    Go with Greg Pierson instead. He is the one with the real experience.

  56. Anonymous
    January 16, 2011 at 11:29 am

    Because Ulansey (apparently) does not live in Eureka, it will take a 4/5 vote for him to take a seat on the commission. It is obvious that Brady, Madsen and Newman will tow the line. Given that Jager tapped Ciarabellini, the outcome seems quite clear.

  57. Anonymous
    January 16, 2011 at 11:41 am

    The outcome seems quite clear unless any one of them shows that they operate outside of the “hive mind”.

  58. Anonymous
    January 16, 2011 at 11:48 am

    Barb says:

    ““Isn’t Lee Ulancey one of those people that run around yelling that anyone that disagrees with them “extremist” and “divisive”?

    Funny, I think the same can be said of this blog.”

    That is the point Barb. What if the last paragraph of your post read:

    “Same goes for the outrage over Lovelace and the accusations regarding his appointment. Get over it and let’s see what kind of Coastal commissioner he becomes before denouncing him.”

  59. Anonymous
    January 16, 2011 at 12:55 pm

    Greg Pierson might be one of the least bright people in the development business. I’m surprised you’d throw his name out there High Finance.

  60. A-Nony-Mouse
    January 16, 2011 at 3:03 pm

    HiFi has to do something to earn his paycheck!

  61. UllanseyStinks
    January 16, 2011 at 4:17 pm

    Best part of this piece is the apt description of the current City Council as “The Borg.
    Perfect call, Heraldo!
    Ullansey is an extremist.
    Glad he “came out of the closet” with the facial hair-he always reminded me of Saddamn Hussein with his arrogance.
    The berad just cements the similatiry.

  62. Joel Mielke
    January 16, 2011 at 4:24 pm

    Extremists always seem to be people on the other side of the debate.

  63. wurking stiff
    January 16, 2011 at 5:02 pm

    the proof will be in the pudding of whether the ‘bizness-&-growth-will-save-us’ faction can in any way assist, stimulate, facilitate or otherwise see to the provision of jobs through their varied and sundry development schemes. Will these jobs be ongoing or one-time and done? Will these jobs, if any, provide family wages and benefits or will they just be more of the same downward slide for all but the top 5 or 10%?

    Prediction: Their chamber of farsical commerce approach to economics will fail just as the non-reality based infinite growth economy they imagine seeing inevitably fails behind the unbearable burdens of infinite costs externalized to society based on their “greed is good” philosophy, all coming to fruition in the slow but inexorable collapse of the giant ponzi scheme that is our finance system which produces nothing while paying outrageous bonuses to con artists in designer suits and international capitalist pirates with no loyalty to democracy or the united states as they ship our industrial productive capacity to China.

    AHHH! nothing like a little run-on sentencing to clear the sinuses. Ta-Ta all!

  64. UllanseyStinks
    January 16, 2011 at 5:14 pm

    Great points made,wurking stiff.
    The concept of infinite growth is the philosophy of the cancer cell, to the point of killing it’s host.
    “Cancer” is an apt comparison of the corporatists and banksters bleeding the world white with their corrupt Federalist society courts and demagogic knee-jerk lamestream media apologists.

  65. anon1
    January 16, 2011 at 5:17 pm

    You can build and develop until the cows come home but,someone has to buy em and infrastructure for the growth..We have neither.

  66. owltotem
    January 16, 2011 at 6:17 pm

    Here is the deal, put your money where your mouth is folks (if you are so inclined), buy local, really, do it, all of it, it is not easy. In fact it is virtually impossible but do your best.

    Participate in the public process, like your very life depends on it, it does, at least the quality of your life does.

    The “power structure” is the process, if we do not share the values of those appointed to advise or elected to govern, we must not be content with just expressing our outrage, we absolutely must enter that arena and participate as citizens.

    If we have an idea or a better way it is our duty to follow through and do our best, no matter what, to try to develop that better way. Proof is irrefutable.

  67. tenth street dreamer
    January 16, 2011 at 7:07 pm

    What a regressive choice. Hifi go buy some animal crackers. Your taste level is 2nd grade at best.

  68. Anonymous
    January 16, 2011 at 9:14 pm

    That is the problem with these blogs. Know nothings like tenth st dreamer, wurking stiff and other anonymous assholes can insult their betters & belittle them without putting their names to anything.

    Farking cowards the lot of you. Man up and face your targets like adults or stfu.

  69. Anonymous
    January 16, 2011 at 9:18 pm

    Sounds like you’re calling out yourself, eh Anonymous?

  70. January 16, 2011 at 9:42 pm

    And so on, and so on….

  71. Joel Mielke
    January 17, 2011 at 1:46 pm

    Anonymous commenters are cowards, if they are on the other side of the political divide.

  72. Anonymous
    January 17, 2011 at 1:53 pm

    If there’s one group of people I can’t abide it’s anonymous posters!

  73. Anonymous
    January 17, 2011 at 2:05 pm

    1:53 was really me.

    Seriously though, I don’t care if a person uses their name or a pseudonym and understand there are good reasons for both. People who use their own names usually have nothing to fear or something to gain. Those who use pseudonyms are protecting their privacy and / or jobs but at least they can be identified as the one who said this and not that. Not so the multitudes of Anonymi.

  74. Plain Jane
    January 17, 2011 at 2:06 pm

    DANG I forgot to put my name back in the field. Sorry.

  75. Anonymous
    January 17, 2011 at 4:59 pm

    Let me get this straight – supporters of property rights who believe people should be free to make decisions about their own land are “the Borg” so where does that leave the heraldo’s of the world who believe that government should control every aspect of land use. Get your metaphors correct people!

  76. Anonymous
    January 17, 2011 at 5:10 pm

    You mean free to ignore the consequences to their neighbors of their decisions about their own land.

  77. Anonymous
    January 17, 2011 at 5:55 pm

    No, simply that the metaphor was inaccurate.

  78. tenth street dreamer
    January 17, 2011 at 6:22 pm

    The new line up at city hall is looking more and more like a foreign government. I wonder when we can expect the gulags. That is probably what they have in mind for Jefferson School. This is what an uninformed electorate will get you.

  79. A-Nony-Mouse
    January 17, 2011 at 6:22 pm

    None of this addresses the point; Ulansey DOES NOT live in Eureka. So why is he being put forward for OUR Planning Commission that makes decisions on development IN the city? There MUST be qualified people who actually live here that can do the job. It is an insult by Mr. jaeger to try to appoint Ulansey. He must remember how contentious Virginia’s effort to put Ulansey on the Commission was. Now, instead of finding a resident to help mind our affairs, he tries again to reward a political crony, an ardent HumCPR member, and a blatant NON-RESIDENT.
    Jaeger, all your talk about being fair and moderate is BULLshit. So far you’ve allowed Newman to try to KO the Jefferson School Project (that you once voted FOR), completely out of order when he gave ‘staff direction’ during ‘Council Reports’, avoiding public comment. Now you’re trying to appoint one of the most contentious possible NON-RESIDENTS to the Planning Commission. You have spoken clearly to the people that you DO NOT TRUST THEM. You don’t want them to improve their own neighborhoods and you don’t want them to be in charge of their own Planning Commission. Nice job, Frank. What are you doing here?

  80. Anonymous
    January 17, 2011 at 6:36 pm

    Jager “allowed” Newman ? Have you no idea of how the council works man ? The Mayor is a facilitator, not a dictator !

    One does not need to be a resident of Eureka to be appointed to its commissions or committees. Only to live or work or own property in Eureka. Don’t be so farking provincial.

  81. Anonymous
    January 17, 2011 at 6:38 pm

    Yes, tenth street dreamer, I would guess that you think of the new city council as foreign. But then your sympathies lie with the People’s Republic of Arcata so a normal town would seem foreign to you.

  82. Anonymous
    January 17, 2011 at 8:37 pm

    Eureka? Normal?

  83. Anonymous
    January 17, 2011 at 8:45 pm

    Ulansey would certainly be a more obvious choice on the Humboldt County Planning Commission but those spots have been filled with Loavelace’s “cronies.”

    If those who were elected by the people believe (by a supermajority) that the people would be best served by someone who lives outside of the city limits then that is their prerogative.

    Perhaps we are better off with a pro development person like Ulansey on a City commission and should count our blessings that he isn’t being appointed to the County.

  84. tenth street dreamer
    January 17, 2011 at 8:51 pm

    Actually Eureka is not normal. Study it’s history. I have little interest in Arcata. Being a local democrat, my interests are here. You have heard the term “good old boys”. We have them here in abundance and Ulansey is one that has very odd views. Just because they hold power currently does not mean they are right. I looked at the1800 court logs recently and these guys were playing land games with each other and shooting indians and kicking the chinese out at a very fast pace. Land rights are at the core of it and some still want to rule at any price. They hate the coastal commission, Bay Keepers or anyone else that stands in the way of their “god given rights”. I disagree. Land is power and they are drunk on it.

  85. AnonymousX2
    January 17, 2011 at 8:55 pm

    Even Floyd Squires would be better than Ulansey. At least he is really really up front with his views. They both live outside Eureka.

  86. January 18, 2011 at 2:23 am

    The up side is that hundreds of union jobs and apprentice training will be available for Humboldt County workers. Build on and I will make that decision whether to shop Home Depot or not. ….Anonymous.said…….hey the other Richard Home Depot Home Depot Home Depot—if that is what is going in that area—then that is what will be there plain and simple.

  87. A-Nony-Mouse
    January 18, 2011 at 8:07 am

    Anon 6:36 YES, Jaeger “allowed” Newman to direct staff action at a totally inappropriate place in the agenda. It was a item with NO NOTICE in the agenda. It was presented in a way that precluded public comment. These are procedural items, at least, that Frank has control over if he knew how to use them.
    Action Items must be noticed in the agenda in order to be acted upon. They MUST include citizen comment. Frank knows this but allowed Newman to run amock anyway. Hell, even the highly questionable Virginia Bass ran a tighter meeting than that. Nastier, often, but at least according to the procedural rules.

  88. Dancing
    January 18, 2011 at 10:42 am

    A-Nony-Mouse, Bringing up a “direct staff action at a totally inappropriate place” is apt for you (Staff, Action AND Inappropriate)…wasn’t your inappropriate place some alley in Henderson Center?

  89. Anonymous
    January 18, 2011 at 11:04 am

    Let me be the anonymous who gasps first at the last anonymous’s slander of the previous anonymous.

  90. Joel Mielke
    January 18, 2011 at 12:17 pm

    “Even Floyd Squires would be better than Ulansey.”


  91. January 18, 2011 at 6:41 pm

    City Council just voted 4-1 to approve all Jager nominations, including Ulansey to the Planning Commission. Atkins dissented. Very little discussion and no public comment preceded the vote.

  92. Asking Heraldo
    January 18, 2011 at 6:56 pm

    So, not public comment; what does that say to you? My take is that there is no material issue with Ulansey (or any other nominations)that were put forth.
    There is no there, there; yet you set up a post that says its “Jagers” nominations and “Atkins dissented”.
    If there is no discussion and no public comment; get a clue!

  93. January 18, 2011 at 7:00 pm

    There is no point in arguing with the Borg. Resistance is futile.

  94. January 18, 2011 at 7:02 pm

    Mayor Jager is now asking speakers on another topic to state whether they live in the city or not. Love that double standard.

  95. Asking Heraldo
    January 18, 2011 at 7:08 pm

    Required question, asked by all Mayors running a public meeting correctly.

    Again, nothing there; but it seems your machine is perpetually stuck on spin cycle! Keep up the futility; it suits you

  96. January 18, 2011 at 7:10 pm

    Jager must be the only who knows how to run a meeting “correctly.”

  97. oldphart
    January 18, 2011 at 7:16 pm

    And you know Robert’s Rules of Order?

  98. January 18, 2011 at 9:17 pm

    “There is no there, there”?

    A vacuous comment.

  99. Asking Heraldo
    January 18, 2011 at 9:22 pm

    AKA, Heraldo’s spin cycle posts!

    My god; your on to me!

  100. owltotem
    January 18, 2011 at 9:33 pm

    resistance may be futile but resist any way, go limp, speak out, stand up, sit in, read, research show up, meet, talk, make partnerships, collaborate, no matter what do not roll over and take it. these people are only people they are the cogs in this giant machine, we have to snap off a cog every here and there with common sense and courage, some where in the depths of most humans, there is a conscience and a soul to reason with it is our jobs to venture into those depths.

  101. Anonymous
    January 18, 2011 at 9:46 pm

    There was also virtually no one at the meeting. The people are totally fucked and they know it. Atkins tried to explain that you can not conserve your way into a cheap bill with 100% of the base costs spread across all users evenly, and still Newman says lets make a conservation brochure, you fucking idiots it wont make any difference, the poor will still have a high bill, it is BASELINE! and pin head cow brady has the freaking NERVE to ask “100% base rate wont hurt the large user like restaurants and industry will it?” what about the poor retired school teacher who got her retirement jacked by the crooked city school district and now starves on ssi? are you cold hearted, dense or just following orders? there is no other excuse. This is like witnessing a lynching. it is freaking hideous yet some still cheer. I am going to go puke!

  102. Anonymi
    January 18, 2011 at 9:57 pm

    What about the poor waiters, waitresses, busboys who might lose their jobs entirely because the restaurants have an enormus water bill ?

    That “poor retired school teacher” gets an average of $48,000 + in retirement pay plus free health insurance to age 65. That is a hell of a lot more than even the restaurant owners make, much less their employees.

    Get a FREAKING clue about life !

  103. January 18, 2011 at 10:11 pm

    Is “Asking Heraldo” related to the Henchman? I’m just wondering if syntax could be hereditary.

  104. RIFed
    January 18, 2011 at 10:27 pm

    I was RIFed after 28 years because of school closures, 31% of my pay, living on 18k a year, was not eligible for City Schools COBRA because I had my husbands medical insurance when I was RIFed, MediCal now no dental, (he’s gone with his pension, his insurance and a cocktail waitress). $65 a month for water? Thank god I did not refi like my neighbors on both sides or many of my former co-workers, I might not lose my house. Speak for yourself Anonymi

  105. Anonymous
    January 18, 2011 at 10:44 pm

    How many meetings and the Mayor, Frank still can’t figure out how to turn on the microphone for the public speakers.

  106. Anonymous
    January 18, 2011 at 10:47 pm

    Anonymi, A restaurant owner has the choice to raise the price of some drinks or some meals a little to offset the cost of a rate increase (not their hamburger or soup and salad menu, their steaks and call drinks are items people with disposable income order, they don’t blink at a quarter). Someone on a fixed income does not have that option. They have what they have and it only goes so far. Restaurants don’t have extra waitresses or busboys just hanging around, staff is usually pretty lean. However all those customers also pay water bills, this might definitely effect their soup salad hamburger and well drink money. If the consumer cant spend it it wont matter how much corporate saves. Trickle down economics never worked, you are falling for it again.

  107. Anonymous
    January 18, 2011 at 10:53 pm

    When those in a decision making position do not live in town we end up with decisions that don’t address the concerns of residents. Many of those people that work in city hall and make decisions for the town live elsewhere. It is only natural that a person takes care of his property first. This has been a pattern that has ruined Eureka.

  108. "JG"
    January 19, 2011 at 7:03 am

    10:53 kind of like Larry Glass who lives in Freshwater but claimed he lived in Eureka while he was on the City Council. Funny now he lives in Freshwater again. I agree with your assessment that living in town is important for decision makers.

  109. Annonymous
    January 19, 2011 at 11:08 am

    10.47pm has never owned a restaurant and 10.27pm was not a teacher.

    10.53pm, are you aware that most Eurekans live just outside the official city limits, sometimes mere blocks ?

  110. Plain Jane
    January 19, 2011 at 11:16 am

    11:08 must be a psychic!

  111. Anonymous
    January 19, 2011 at 12:29 pm

    Glass owns a business in Eureka and Ulansey owns commercial property.

  112. tenth street dreamer
    January 19, 2011 at 10:30 pm

    11:28 is not a psychic and lies for what reason? Another right wing nut with no compassion and is out of touch with reality and has no ideas. Sounds a bit like hifi doesn’t it. They love to spout off but dry up when it comes to solutions.

  113. Truth in information
    January 19, 2011 at 10:36 pm

    Just saw the evening news and heard that Crescent City has a brand new state of the art water treatment plant. Too bad Eureka’s city manager squandered and misappropriated water fund money for other uses, leaving us high and dry. How does he get away with making the public think his poop doesn’t stink?

  114. Plain Jane
    January 19, 2011 at 10:49 pm

    That was a typo, Dreamer. I meant to say psycho. :)

  115. Xandra Mannsl
    January 20, 2011 at 12:27 am

    The HPCR newsletter actually has some good articles, and I’ve been accused of being a progressive.

  116. Anonymous
    January 20, 2011 at 8:20 am

    Tenth Street Dreamer wears his heart on his sleeve & yet is far more cruel than most. He has no compassion for the restaurant business owner and the restaurant employees.

    “Let them eat sushi” seems to be his motto. He is far more concerned about his water bill is going up $4 per month than the jobs & lives of others.

    I can flat out state that there is no teacher with 28 years experience in Calif schools that is retired on only $18,000 a year unless that teacher retired 40 years ago or was only a substitue teacher. You get 2% for each year served & you get FREE health insurance until age 65 when Medicare takes over. 10.27pm also spelled “Riffed” wrong.

  117. A-Nony-Mouse
    January 20, 2011 at 8:26 am

    Oh Boy! Now we have at least two out of five of our city’s Planning Commission the DO NOT live in the city (maybe three?). I hear there’s a guy from Redding who’s interested next time an opening comes up. What is wrong with us? Is this the best we can do? Frank, you’re a HUGE disappointment to the citizens who elected you (let alone the ones who did not).

    And FYI, Larry moved to an apartment in Old Town well inadvance of the 06 election. He actually lived there the whole time. His house, which is just across the line, was occupied by his daughter. Mike Newman moved to the 3rd ward just in time to beat the filing deadline. He has no loyalty to his ward (at least Larry’s business was in his ward for a LONG time). Newman was pure carpetbagging because he saw a vulnerable seat thanks to a three-way race. I will always hold a sad opinion of Xandra for putting us where we are today. The Clown Council is showing it’s rubber noses and big feet. We’re in trouble, Eureka!

  118. A-Nony-Mouse
    January 20, 2011 at 8:31 am

    It is obvious that the Clown Council does NOT trust the very people who elected them. Witness The Jefferson School Project. Delay, don’t trust those pesky citizens. The Planning Commission appointment, appoint from outside the city, don’t trust those pesky residents. Extend the city manager’s employment, he never has lived within the city limit.
    Trust? Doesn’t look like it to me. Looks more like Eureka bought an old Gremlin all wrapped up as a Mercedes (or a new Marina Center?). Good luck getting parts!

  119. Anonymous
    January 20, 2011 at 8:57 am

    Mike has lived in Eureka for decades before he ran, not weeks like Larry.

    We should put the Jefferson purchase to a vote of the people. Oh wait, ….. we already did. It was on Nov 2nd & the purchase lost.

  120. Plain Jane
    January 20, 2011 at 9:08 am

    Can you provide any evidence that the people who won made the Jefferson School purchase an issue and were elected on that basis, 8:57? As you undoubtedly know, Newman received less than a plurality and he was the only candidate who won who even mentioned the issue before he was elected. His 2 opponents, who received a majority of the votes, were both supportive of the Jefferson School purchase so it’s obvious that most of the people in Eureka (who voted) did not support him or his agenda. If Xandra had quit the race, it’s more than likely Kuhnel would have won. But don’t let any facts get in the way of your myth creation, Mr. Newman.

  121. Truth in information
    January 20, 2011 at 6:57 pm

    I am sure one of you will pin the Stanton closing and all the other store closings on Glass’s shoulders. Any excuse to bad mouth the guy will do, never mind the truth. So the other side is in power, where are the ideas for job creation, or saving our neighborhoods from decline, or following the will of the voters and designating all the new tax money from prop “O” to police and fire. How about getting the Marina Center up and running now Marion? We haven’t heard a word from you since the election on that subject. As a matter of fact why are you demanding that city staff help you deal with your constituents? That is your job now, not staffs. That is why you were elected, deal with them. This is what your predecessor did on a daily basis. Crescent city built a brand new sewage plant and are paying for it with a straight forward $15 a month addition to their bill. They won’t be paying double for water and sewer in four to five years. I will predict now that in four years we will have no more jobs than we do today and many more long time businesses will be gone, and Jefferson school will still sit empty. Empty campaign promises will come back to haunt this new council.

  122. Anonymous
    January 21, 2011 at 12:19 pm

    Yeah, because Marion has been a councilman for a whole three weeks now. Get over it Larry, you lost.

  123. Truth in information
    January 21, 2011 at 8:31 pm

    Sorry anon, I am not Larry. I was only responding to derogatory comments made about Larry Glass. Marion is too whiny for my taste and she also made a big deal about the Marina Center “now” and made very pointed comments about creating Jobs. I have not heard any proposals from her about how to actually carry out those campaign promises. Where is the beef?

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