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Imagine Humboldt survey

The public workshops for Imagine Humboldt — a project that aims to use community input to shape the future of Humboldt County — are underway.  If you haven’t yet taken the survey and want your 2 cents to be counted, go here.

Upcoming workshops:

Arcata High, Multipurpose Room – Thursday, January 20, 5:30-7:30 PM

McKinleyville High, Multipurpose Room -Monday, January 24, 6:30-8:30 PM

Hoopa Valley High, Cafeteria -Tuesday, January 25, 5:30-7:30 PM

Fortuna High – Wednesday, January 26, 6:00-8:00 PM

Wharfinger Building – Monday, January 31, 5:30-7:30 PM

  1. Goldie
    January 19, 2011 at 5:04 pm

    Who is doing this?

  2. January 19, 2011 at 5:08 pm

    Humboldt County Association of Governments (HCAOG).

  3. Anonymous
    January 19, 2011 at 5:29 pm

    I went to one of Eureka’s “Prosperity” meetings one time and it was a joke. Council, manager and staff eating coffee cake and slapping each other on the back. They gave the public 1 minute each to speak. Another meeting such as this had many good ideas from the public that were somehow not taken into account. Good time for officials to grandstand and make the public feel as they really have a voice.

  4. anonymous
    January 19, 2011 at 5:42 pm

    HCAOG-Are they the ones that figure what areas get all the drug rehabs and mentally ill. All the low-income rental housing. Do they decide who gets the grants and shove the redevelopment? By the way folks “affordable housing” is a euphemism for overnight shelter for homeless, housing the mentally ill, criminals, drug rehabs and transitional housing like the Serenity Inn. Is this the outcome of the workings of HCAOG? Affordable housing is not for the working poor. These things would not be bad if they were taken one at a time. But it becomes an overdose when it is all in a concentrated area. Heraldo who are these people? What are there names. What do you know about them?

  5. treesnstuff
    January 19, 2011 at 6:24 pm

    i wonder if hcaog will mention cannabis at any of the forums. i have heard that there’s been a cannabis industry in humboldt for decades, perhaps there’s a chance it would still be relevant in 2050.

  6. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    January 19, 2011 at 6:27 pm

    Filled it out, not bad, but some questions were kinda redundant and worthless when considering political agendas, terminologies and such.

    The 3 most important things I made clear were:

    1) forrest/timber products and resources / jobs
    2) Marine, fisheries, aqua culture, etc. / jobs
    3) Cleaner environment and resource / jobs

    Manufacturing ties into the above as well for better paying jobs.

    One thing too that is needed is better shopping and entertainments for all the makes and models of peoples in the various communities.

    Jeffrey Lytle
    McKinleyville – 5th District

  7. Anonymous
    January 19, 2011 at 8:27 pm

    Eyes Wide Open for Cal Trans Re-alignment here.
    H are sure it isn’t Cal Trans?

  8. treesnstuff
    January 19, 2011 at 9:40 pm

    henchman, your number one issue is timber and your number two issue is fishing? i think you misunderstood, it’s not what will humboldt be like in 1950, they’re asking about 2050.

  9. Anon
    January 19, 2011 at 9:55 pm

    From these comments it looks like in 2050 Humboldt will be a bunch of paranoid insular angry people. Hopefully not!

  10. 69er
    January 19, 2011 at 10:52 pm

    Filled out the questionaire knowing that I will be long gone by 2050 but hoping for a better community for those still here. I cannot imagine living in any other community and would like to see my decendants return to the area.

  11. snoopy
    January 20, 2011 at 12:20 am

    Loaded questions:

    e.g. public safety. If you are for public safety does this mean you want more police or a lack of cotention in your neighborhood?
    e.g. housing availability and affordability. If you are for it does it mean build new housing in the burbs or clean up the center-of-town dumps?

  12. Tiger
    January 20, 2011 at 6:20 am

    I filled out the survey, and I emphasized to keep agriculture and dairies going. We produce some of the world’s best milk products, and most of the dairie are in flood plains, so no houses should be built on the rich delt bottom land.

    Neither of my kids want to stay here. They don’t want to stay in Humboldt. It is too isolated and insular. I agree with them, but I have to stay here, because my work is here. But, hey, after this last election’s antics on the local stage, I was considering moving to LA. But this is where Tiger lives for now.

  13. Tiger
    January 20, 2011 at 6:23 am

    Like many, I live here for the natural beauty of this place. Where else can we find so many rivers, majestic mountains, the Pacific Ocean, and parks? It is truly a special place. My biggest problem is with some of the people. Most are very nice, but there is a homegrwon edginess and inability to listen to “the other side”.

  14. Annonymous
    January 20, 2011 at 8:11 am

    That “inability to listen” is not exclusive to this area. It is everywhere in the world and always has been that way. Today’s culture just lets people not hide it anymore.

  15. Anonymous
    January 20, 2011 at 8:38 am

    The area isn’t likely to lose its natural beauty, which is about the only thing it has going for it. It’s a pity that the inner (and outer?) beauty of the people who live here do not reflect that natural beauty. The self-touted ‘liberalism’ of this area is really a charade. Ulitmately it is just a whole lot of white people with dreads who are try (but fail) in hiding the true nature of their racism and intolerance for anyone but the white middle-class. Sad, really.

  16. Anonymous
    January 20, 2011 at 8:40 am

    I think that the “inability to listen” and our divisive manner of politics is the biggest threat to the future. If all viewpoints can’t come together to honestly, civilly discuss the direction of our county, we’ll just keep bouncing back and forth between the extremes.

  17. Not A Native
    January 20, 2011 at 8:46 am

    Snoopy and Tiger are pretty astute, treesnstuff made a funny joke.

    My advise to every high schooler here is realize your potential by rising above your HumCo upbringing. Being from a podunk place is no advantage in life, but it doesn’t have to be a great liability. I just feel sad for the teens who have parents that don’t value aspiration, education, or worldliness and make it their agenda to perpetuate their parochialism through their childen.

  18. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    January 20, 2011 at 8:51 am

    8:40 am,

    Over-Population is the single biggest threat, especially evil and peace busting types of people who defy social agreements and will not conform to its liabilities and responsibilities, that which causes all that is, BELIEVE IT! With over-population, there can never be a social atmosphere where all people support themself; and, the more that people become populated together, the more those very same people change and become less civil.

    Civilty is secured by proper spacings that separate people and their individual comfort zones, not sardine can them like a manufacturing plant.

    JL

  19. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    January 20, 2011 at 8:53 am

    I agree with the idea of a joke by Treesnstuff. I laughed.

    I will say that agriculture ties into the whole natural resource retention arguments as well.

    JL

  20. Anonymous
    January 20, 2011 at 8:54 am

    One thing that really bothers me are the snobs who live here & sniff that Humboldt Co is a podunk place & living somewhere else makes people brighter.

    Hey buddy, I was born and raised somewhere else but you are dead wrong. People are who they are. They become winners or losers depending on who you are, not where you are. I know lots of dead-end losers from the huge city I grew up in.

  21. Tiger
    January 20, 2011 at 9:27 am

    Tiger feels that public safety should be the highest priority and good planning. Who is behind this survey?

    Thanks!

  22. Anonymous
    January 20, 2011 at 10:20 am

    Those who were lucky enough to start out in a small town can have advantages over those who came from cities. For one, they seem more patient with other human beings and animals. If they were lucky enough to be able to broaden their universe and get some sort of skill or education and live elsewhere for part of their life, they appear to have a rich base from which to draw their opinions and philosophies. Whoever said it is who you are and not where you are is right on.

  23. CalTex
    January 20, 2011 at 11:31 am

    How does this exercise fit in with the General Plan update?

  24. Plain Jane
    January 20, 2011 at 11:36 am

    Does anyone wonder why Nan, who so hates it here and holds the locals in such contempt, stays? If where he came from was so much better, why doesn’t he go home?

  25. Julie Timmons
    January 20, 2011 at 11:38 am

    Well, I, for one, can’t “imagine Humboldt” without Stanton’s. My grandmother used to take me there after church! The media, including bloggers, is not paying enough attention to the businesses that have closed and the downward spiral in home prices while the rest of the State is leveling off.

  26. Anonymous
    January 20, 2011 at 11:43 am

    It’s not a hot topic if the general tilt is anti- business to start with. Maybe if Stanton’s was a Marijuana dispensary there’d be more interest.

  27. Anonymous
    January 20, 2011 at 12:29 pm

    Our downturn in house prices is just delayed from the state due to our pot economy. Still we are doing way better than the state average.

  28. longwind
    January 20, 2011 at 2:11 pm

    Yup. But challenges to the pot economy are increasing, as foundational decisions about countywide cooperation are about to be made.

    Dysfunctional-decision afficionados may have enjoyed how the county tried to begin its legalization process by trying to take Arcata’s Nip it in the Bud illegalization ordinance countywide.

    Not a thought-through start, but the Planning Commission showed itself to be open to input. It did not, however, call for the public process that it could have called for, and that we must have.

    This may have been an oversight. We need a lot more oversight, folks, keep watching. This stuff really matters.

  29. Not A Native
    January 20, 2011 at 3:52 pm

    Jane, just “slumming” for now observing a darker underbelly of humanity.

    I never wrote or believe that living somewhere else makes someone smarter, just that smarter people congregate together, in other places. And the less smart people congregate here. HumCo is the place that time forgot and where hippies come to die. Tiger’s kids figured that out, proving they’re smarter than average. And thats the qualification for successfully leaving HumCo.

    Robert Reich in his book “The Future of Success” called it a “filter function”. But an older way of describing it is ‘birds of a feather flock together’.

    Unless you’ve never lived in places where accomplishment is normal, its impossible to not notice the relatively large proportion of dysfunctional, antisocial, physically impaired, and emotionally scarred people that are here. But its all good if you’re one of them. And this ridiculous activity and survey is an example of what not so bright people come up with.

  30. anonymous
    January 20, 2011 at 4:52 pm

    Not A Native–your last two paragraphs at 3:52 sum it all up.

  31. Mike Buettner
    January 20, 2011 at 5:14 pm
  32. Plain Jane
    January 20, 2011 at 5:30 pm

    It’s good to know there are no groups of dysfunctional people in the cities where everyone is well educated, healthy emotionally and physically. The fact that the losers (I don’t mean that in the derogatory sense) are further separated from the winners in more metropolitan areas, for the most part, doesn’t mean there are more or less of them per capita. I guess those of us whose children left Humboldt County should be congratulated for raising kids smarter than Nan, since he chose to live here in this intellectual wasteland, flocking with the rest of us dysfunctionals.

  33. taxed
    January 20, 2011 at 5:36 pm

    When looking at Eureka there is so much potential with it’s proximity to the bay and it’s historic architecture. But what a mess. The social service welfare mongers. Slum lords buying up devalued property. Those in decision making capacities are those without imagination. This is such a physically beautiful place and yet it has been drug through the dirt and one wonders if it will ever be able to be turned into the diamond it should be. This survey is just one more charade. This is the same old HCAOG trying to get some valid press while they do what they have always done – Nothing.

  34. Anonymous
    January 20, 2011 at 5:57 pm

    Yes, PJ and NAN, but you forget, that the really smart ones with good work ethics can make a living anywhere. They can live wherever they want. Maybe even just the ones with the good work ethic can do it, if they are not stuck on having a particular job. I see it every day. Even have a couple of my own kids here who returned, and thriving. It can happen. They communicate with their smart friends online and by phone, and have some here too.

  35. Anonymous
    January 20, 2011 at 5:58 pm

    Why does everyone forget that during the heyday of the prosperous loggers and fishermen, alcohol addiction was common and wives and children often feared for their safety? Not all problems in local families are the result of declines in our economic health.

  36. Plain Jane
    January 20, 2011 at 6:04 pm

    Sorry, 5:57. I thought my sarcasm was obvious.

  37. Not A Native
    January 20, 2011 at 6:29 pm

    Ahh, De-nile ain’t a river in Egypt(or Sudan). Its all in the relative numbers of functional and dysfunctional.

    Smarter people DO have more choices and because they’re smart, more of them choose to live where they can use their smarts in collaboration with other smart people. Yep, the places where smarter people congregate are diverse with many different kinds of people. Its HumCo thats notably less diverse, with fewer well adjusted healthy people and more troubled and unwell ones.

    People sort themselves through self selection. Its no accident that lots of ill people are in a hospital, great athletes on a professional sports team, good looking people on a Hollywood set, and well educated people in a research lab. Similarly its no accident that less smart and damaged or wounded people concentrate in HumCo.

  38. Anonymous
    January 20, 2011 at 6:51 pm

    Julie Timmons says:
    January 20, 2011 at 11:38 am
    Well, I, for one, can’t “imagine Humboldt” without Stanton’s. My grandmother used to take me there after church! The media, including bloggers, is not paying enough attention to the businesses that have closed and the downward spiral in home prices while the rest of the State is leveling off.

    Response: Hmmm, it reads as if these businesses cared too much about the wrong things and not the socio-political agendas that affect businesses. Maybe these businesses were just operated by nimwits who don’t listen to what other people are telling them about this country and what your elected officials are doing to ya.

    JL

  39. Julie Timmons
    January 20, 2011 at 6:53 pm

    Anon at 12;29, what’s your basis for saying we are doing better than the state average? Have you seen the real estate ads lately? There are houses for sale in Eureka for $150K and the median is now below $200k. Proportionately,we’re doing worse, and there are hundreds of foreclosed houses that haven’t even hit the market. Wish I could share your rosy outlook. .

  40. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    January 20, 2011 at 6:55 pm

    Oops,

    did not sign in for me above,

    JL

  41. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    January 20, 2011 at 7:04 pm

    Housing and financing and what contractors were forced to do and how that equated to profits for the banks and higher tax bases (fraud) by county tax collectors/appraisers:

    Here is how, simply put, using a standard construction loan process.

    1) contractor gets loan

    2) Coast Central Crook Union says, you must pay interest.

    3) Coast Central Crook Union then says to contractor, you get 5 disbursement payments of 20% each (one of many negotiated percentage/disbursement terms)

    4) Coast Central Crook Union says, oh, by the way, the last disbursement will not be deposited UNTIL AFTER THE PROJECT IS COMPLETE 100%.

    5) So, contractor says oh shit, I better seek more money than I actiually need if last disbursement won’t come until after completion.

    6) So, finance charges are rigged based on the snow-job by the banks to force higher loans to leverage interest charges against during the coc process.

    7) Compoundingly, the Coast Central Crook Union then sends over loan papers to the building department when they verify contractor and all his/her legalities…blah, blah, blah

    8) Then, the building department forwards over to the county appraiser the falsely inflated valuation that then gets attached to the tax base.

    9) SO, as one who is smart can understand, the whole housing industry is a sham.

    More to come at a later date! Don’t say I didn’t warn ya!

    JL

  42. Anonymous
    January 20, 2011 at 8:09 pm

    Julie, go here:

    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=111494514&sc=nl&cc=bh-20090807

    and tell us how many counties in California. have a lower foreclosure rate than Humboldt. Not many.

  43. anon1
    January 20, 2011 at 8:19 pm

    Nan are you here for cheap dope prices or what..If you were so smart you would be doing something spectacular..Become a human, it would be a blessing for you..Humble isn’t your strong suit..

  44. not a native (thankfully)reviled
    January 20, 2011 at 8:31 pm

    Oh, the blessings from on high— our self-venerated, hugely accomplished “Not-One-Of-You-Slobs-But-I-Still-Won’t-Shut-Up–Not-a-Native spills this upon us, the unwashed, undeserving, Humboldt County people…

    “Unless you’ve never lived in places where accomplishment is normal, its impossible to not notice the relatively large proportion of dysfunctional, antisocial, physically impaired, and emotionally scarred people that are here. But its all good if you’re one of them. And this ridiculous activity and survey is an example of what not so bright people come up with.”

    …yes “Not One-of-You-Lowlife-Natives” -you are so obviously of a “higher accomplishment places” class of people. Tell us about the accomplished dysfunction that has manifested from your superior {former} world. The superior place you escaped for the vastly inferior Humboldt County. You are now officially at the apex of the…

    “less smart and damaged or wounded people concentrated in HumCo.”

    so pleeeeease, NAN, spill your beneficent wisdom upon us. It might help you heal your obvious emotional scars. You didn’t quite measure up in that “superior” world, did you? Came crawling up here to the “Land of the Dysfunctional”.

    You doth protest too much NAN. You belong here.

  45. again, for you, not a native (thankfully)
    January 20, 2011 at 8:49 pm

    In the spirit of finding common ground, NAN, I agree with your observation that…

    “And this ridiculous activity and survey is an example of what not so bright people come up with.”

    But, I submit that this activity is manifested by CalTrans. Is CalTrans “of” Humboldt County”? Will the survey engage a significant proportion of the population, and will it confirm what what people here want? Or is it another PR / BS piece, not unlike the kind of “accomplishment” foisted upon us by the people you so admired? (in your former, life, when you were still, thankfully, not a resident of Humboldt County)

  46. Anonymous
    January 20, 2011 at 10:07 pm

    I agree with whoever said that a person with a work ethic might thrive here if they make that their goal – but they have to be willing to compromise in terms of professional aspirations. Living here currently may be less costly than elsewhere, thus a person’s standard of living might be superior to other places, but the range of employment opportunities is much more limited. If a person works in a field such as medicine, education, law or something entrepreneurial they could potentially live a very nice lifestyle in Humboldt County. However, other options are quite limited. It becomes a matter of putting location first, which some do. Ideally, imo and though I will be long gone, we should be working toward developing many more opportunities for 2050 – that will be the basis for everything else.

  47. Mindful
    January 20, 2011 at 11:13 pm

    Here is Shasta’s similar process:
    http://www.shastaforward.com

    Most counties in the state are conducting these ‘Blueprint’ efforts to 1) marry land use and transportation, since they’re inextricably linked and our scripted planning processes hadn’t allowed for that yet, and 2) to push the visioning processes out further that inform and guide decisionmakers. Urban areas are required to do it. Most of the rural counties are now doing it because they realize that if we don’t avoid the mistakes the metropolitan regions made (e.g. everyone wants their elbow room til all you have left is sprawl and massive traffic congestion), we’re doomed to repeat them… look at the Sierra foothills if you want an example.

  48. Anonymous
    January 20, 2011 at 11:35 pm

    I hope this is finally about some kind of intelligent planning. I won’t be here to enjoy the benefits but I do hope they get it right. Our area has gone too long without foresight in terms of development. We have so many resources to capitalize on and enhance; hopefully this is a sincere effort to work in the best direction for all.

  49. Julie Timmons
    January 21, 2011 at 9:22 am

    Anon 8:09, you and I are making the same point.

  50. Anonymous
    January 21, 2011 at 9:38 am

    Really? Look at the stats. Proportionally we are NOT doing worse (than the rest of the state).

  51. skippy
    January 21, 2011 at 12:11 pm

    Collecting resident’s visions for the next 40 years to determine our strengths, challenges, values and priorities, this survey was both informative and easy to do. Funded by Caltrans and led by the Humboldt County Association of Governments (HCAOG: http://www.hcaog.net/), Imagine Humboldt! surveys and workshops are intended to direct the use of our transportation means, monies, and regional planning into the future.

    Yours truly attended the first workshop held at Arcata High School. Comprising of an introduction, powerpoint presentation, and audience voting, it offered a sometimes surprisingly immediate and statistical analysis of what we hold dear as community. Capably led by long-time economic and community strategist Kathleen Moxon, the workshop promoted insights, participation, and consensus building.

    Some of our finest and engaged citizens were represented in the audience: Dr. Ann Lindsay, Health Officer of the Public Health Branch of DHHS and local family practitioner, peacefully knitting away; Kevin Hoover of the Arcata Eye newspaper, simultaneously wired into his laptop, camera, and iPhone; James Zoellick, research engineer for the University’s Schatz Energy Research Center (SERC); the bright and articulate Arcata Councilmember Shane Brinton offering proficient observations; and 26 other interested participants.

    More workshops are being offered; Eureka’s community meeting is at the Wharfinger, Monday, January 31, at 5:30 pm. Mark your calendars, folks.

    Skippy encourages you to attend, participate, and meet your fellow citizens in determining what we love, value, and cherish about Humboldt. It will certainly enlighten– and possibly surprise– you.

  52. Anonymous
    January 22, 2011 at 11:56 am

    Here, here Skippy! Thanks for shedding some intelligent insight on this matter. What’s the problem with a visioning exercise folks? Why not be proactive for once! I have taken the survey and will be attending the Eureka workshop (at the Wharfinger on the 31st) and I hope many others also participate! The more that participate, the more accurate the end result, a “community vision.” This is your chance- quiet looking for some hidden agenda for once and do something worthwhile with all of your energy!

  53. Anon2
    January 22, 2011 at 3:00 pm

    There is no problem with a “visioning exercise” in of itself. As long as those in charge recognize the people that show up for these meetings are not representative of the people at large. They always tend to be more liberal and not working folks. Lots of retired people, college students and the like.

  54. skippy
    January 24, 2011 at 5:29 pm

    As a kind reminder for you and your calendars, the meetings are:

    McKinleyville High, Multipurpose Room -Monday, January 24, 6:30-8:30 PM

    Hoopa Valley High, Cafeteria -Tuesday, January 25, 5:30-7:30 PM

    Fortuna High – Wednesday, January 26, 6:00-8:00 PM

    Wharfinger Building – Monday, January 31, 5:30-7:30 PM

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