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2012 election polls underway

Humboldt County residents report a new phone poll clearly aimed at the 2012 election cycle.

Focusing on voter sentiment about Supervisors Mark Lovelace and Jimmy Smith — and the viability of failed politico Rex Bohn — the poll appears to be fleshing out Humboldt County’s next political battle.

As with any similar regular report, we slap cheeks and wonder: Gosh! Who could be behind such a poll?

  1. Ponder z
    January 23, 2011 at 7:01 am

    Well, who is behind this poll?
    Olbermann got canned for being such a cynical bore. H you own the stump so you cant be canned, but we still have the same opinion of you.

  2. Plain Jane
    January 23, 2011 at 7:21 am

    Olbermann had the highest ratings of any show on MSNBC. He wasn’t fired for being cynical or boring, but for fighting with his bosses. MSNBC has a history of firing its best hosts (remember Donahue?) when they upset the corporate masters. PonderZ should ponder more and post less. He again speaks as if he has multiple personalities (we) and posts on a blog which he wishes didn’t exist. He should know that he can make this blog disappear from his own reality by not reading it or posting on it (like most of us deal with the vile Mirror), but that apparently is beyond his limited comprehension.

  3. Decline to State
    January 23, 2011 at 7:21 am

    Seriously? Already? The stench of the last election is still fresh in my nostrils. Do we really have to start this all again so soon? What possible meaning can a poll taken so long before an election possibly have?

  4. Humboldt Politico
    January 23, 2011 at 7:29 am

    Polling so early? Does it get any more goofy?

  5. Anonymous
    January 23, 2011 at 7:45 am

    What are you, crazy? What does a poll have to do with “stench”? It is just normal politics to want to know what the voters are thinking. That is not a bad thing. And it is not too early. Now is the time for candidates to start thinking if they want to run. They will have to start announcing & lining up support for June of 2012 by this fall.

  6. Mitch
    January 23, 2011 at 7:49 am

    If you get a call, don’t forget that your answers can guide the pollsters in the wrong direction. You’re under no obligation to tell anonymous people anything except what you think it will be in your interest to say, especially if you believe the anonymous people are working for someone whose interests oppose yours.

    Perhaps at some point, only reputable polling companies will exist, and the ones which exist to help one side in an election will disappear because of their inability to generate useful predictions.

  7. tra
    January 23, 2011 at 7:51 am

    “…a bore, and a dyke, and a comedian”

    How is the sexual preference of one of the TV personalities relevant to your point?

  8. Mitch
    January 23, 2011 at 7:55 am

    To continue, first determine if what you are encountering is a “push poll.” A push poll is usually easy to identify — it will ask questions like “Does knowing that Candidate X will raise your taxes and reduce your take-home pay make you MORE likely to vote for Candidate X, LESS likely to vote for Candidate X, or about the same.

    Just remember that the poor soul on the other end of the line is just trying to get an income, and probably agrees with you about the nature of their employers. Your goal is to keep them on the line for as long as possible without conveying any useful information.

    A good start is to speak in an elderly voice, explain that your spouse is the one who answers all such questions, but that they’re under the house doing repairs and you’ll get them. Then put the phone down and shuffle off, shouting “Elmer!” or “Bertha!”. Come back in about ten minutes and explain that Elmer or Bertha wanted to know who was calling before they stopped what they were doing. Let the person answer. Then (again, be quick, don’t let them stop you) say you’ll tell Elmer or Bertha. Come back in another ten minutes and say Elmer’s for taxes, and ask sweetly if they have another question.

  9. anon1
    January 23, 2011 at 7:56 am

    PJ..as usual is right on!! Pz again shows who puts money in his pocket..If they lie enough they think people will believe it.

  10. Mitch
    January 23, 2011 at 7:59 am

    If it’s not a push poll, ask the caller who is employing them. If they give the name of a polling organization, ask who the polling organization is working on behalf of. If they won’t give out that information, you can either hang up or (better) flip coins to generate your answers. If they give out that information, and it’s an organization that opposes your interests, you can give the employee an education in how you feel their employer is opposing your interests. No need to be rude to the employee, just let them know that in your opinion they are stuck working for a scumbucket and explain why. Perhaps you can use the call as an opportunity to commiserate with the employee about the economy, and to find out where they’re calling from and what the weather is like there.

  11. Walt
    January 23, 2011 at 8:15 am

    Better still, Mitch, just hang up. Anyone you don’t know who calls you wants something you don’t want to give them. Why they are not prosecuted for seizing a phone I pay for to harass me I don’t understand.

  12. Plain Jane
    January 23, 2011 at 8:17 am

    PonderZ “logic” is such that McDonald’s makes the best food in the world since they sell the most. Nutritional content is irrelevant.

  13. Ponder z
    January 23, 2011 at 8:22 am

    MSNBC is guided by feelings not thought. Openly gay “personality” has an agenda. Opinion vs news is fine, lets define both before hand. A personality presenting the news= is really just an opinion (skewed). A personality giving opinion is the first amendment at work. You just have to ask yourself if you are listening to a wackjob. MSNBC presents the news in a skewed format.

  14. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    January 23, 2011 at 8:34 am

    Plain Jane says:
    January 23, 2011 at 7:21 am
    Olbermann had the highest ratings of any show on MSNBC. He wasn’t fired for being cynical or boring, but for fighting with his bosses. MSNBC has a history of firing its best hosts (remember Donahue?) when they upset the corporate masters. PonderZ should ponder more and post less. He again speaks as if he has multiple personalities (we) and posts on a blog which he wishes didn’t exist. He should know that he can make this blog disappear from his own reality by not reading it or posting on it (like most of us deal with the vile Mirror), but that apparently is beyond his limited comprehension.

    Response: True, Olbermann was anything but boring….go back to the FOX SPORTS NEWS DAYS prior to political news at MSNBC (sarcasm—->Multiple Sclerosis Non-Biased Censorship)…..Fox ain’t any better if that makes people happy.

    Ya see, Olbermann finally figured it out – he was all left wingin’ it as a liberal host slamming the reich wingin’ conservative base. Then, he finally realised after all these years that its the dualopoly, sillies.

    Jeffrey Lytle
    McKinleyville – 5th District

  15. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    January 23, 2011 at 8:37 am

    Mitch says:
    January 23, 2011 at 7:49 am
    If you get a call, don’t forget that your answers can guide the pollsters in the wrong direction. You’re under no obligation to tell anonymous people anything except what you think it will be in your interest to say, especially if you believe the anonymous people are working for someone whose interests oppose yours.

    Perhaps at some point, only reputable polling companies will exist, and the ones which exist to help one side in an election will disappear because of their inability to generate useful predictions.

    Response: Good Point, mislead and re-direct the pollster to a different scenario since they are being sinister anyway.

    JL

  16. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    January 23, 2011 at 8:42 am

    tra says:
    January 23, 2011 at 7:51 am
    “…a bore, and a dyke, and a comedian”

    How is the sexual preference of one of the TV personalities relevant to your point?

    Response: Glen Beck said he likes and wants to know who says such dribble so that he knows all he needs to know about that person based upon what they say…..a freedom of speech thing-a-ma-bob. This is how the sexual refernce is relevant – it tells us all we need to know about the person who made the word relevant. Aye, the dualopolists media outlets got people a twisted and looped (simile) like a pretzel that continually stings as it singes its open wounds with rock salt.

    JL

  17. Plain Jane
    January 23, 2011 at 8:59 am

    People who don’t know the difference between news and opinion are likely Fox viewers. Maddow, Olbermann, Beck, Palin, O’Reilly, etc. are pundits who give their opinions on current events, not journalists who strive for a lack of bias in their reporting. Equating the popularity of certain pundits with accurate reporting is, to reuse my McD’s analogy, comparing a fine chef with a burger flipper. There are lots more burgers sold than gourmet meals, but that doesn’t mean the burgers are better.

  18. Mitch
    January 23, 2011 at 9:01 am

    Ponder z is absolutely correct. Both openly gay and openly straight “personalities” have agendas. For example, openly straight “personalities” generally opposed the criminalization of sex between persons of opposite genders. I’m a bit less sure where they stand on the Arab Israeli conflict.

  19. anonymous
    January 23, 2011 at 9:11 am

    Don’t give pollsters who won’t identify for whom they’re polling the time of day. Hang up and spend your time organizing in your community.

  20. Mitch
    January 23, 2011 at 9:52 am

    Almost as important as the debate over Marina Center, I think everyone at the Humboldt Herald owes it to themselves to watch
    this.

    It’s a good part of my religious dogma, so I apologize if evangelizing is inappropriate here.

  21. Franklin
    January 23, 2011 at 9:57 am

    True politicos would be foolish not to be thinking of 2012 now.

  22. Franklin
    January 23, 2011 at 9:58 am

    And, Jane, I loves me a good burger!

  23. Anonymous
    January 23, 2011 at 10:00 am

    Jeffrey Lytle, Dribble is what you do in Basketball. Drivel is what you write.

  24. Schwingerkönig
    January 23, 2011 at 10:19 am

    Clif is doing a fundraiser, someone is doing polling, and everbody is waiting to see what Jimmy does over the next 12 months. Don’t look away now, folks, it’s just about to get interesting.

  25. Plain Jane
    January 23, 2011 at 10:20 am

    Most of us love a good burger, Franklin, but they aren’t available at McD’s, BK or anywhere for that price. Quality is rarely available when the greatest concern is quantity. There is a place for McD’s (and Fox) in our society, but the fact that they sell the most doesn’t mean they are best. Fox isn’t selling news any more than McD’s is selling quality food. That a lot of people are satisfied with the intellectual content of Fox, as they are with the food served at McD’s, doesn’t make either a quality product. If you just want your brain filled with spin, Fox is an excellent value (free). If you want in depth and factual news you have to work for it (read).

  26. Plain Jane
    January 23, 2011 at 10:35 am

    Thanks for sharing that Hubble video, Mitch. It’s a very humbling reminder of how insignificant our galaxy is from a universal perspective without even bringing individual earthlings into it.

  27. January 23, 2011 at 10:51 am

    All of this hamburger talk is making me hungry.

  28. Mitch
    January 23, 2011 at 10:54 am

    PJ,

    You’re welcome. It just shows how much more there is to own, even when we’re sure we own more than anyone else.

    Frustrating, isn’t it. ;)

  29. Mitch
    January 23, 2011 at 10:55 am

    It also is a plausible explanation for why God hasn’t been paying any attention lately. The guy is old and has other problems to attend to.

  30. Goldie
    January 23, 2011 at 11:07 am

    Who is paying for these polls? Thinking of who might be able to afford to pay for them might bring a clue to the surface.

  31. Anonymous
    January 23, 2011 at 11:17 am

    Why does it matter ?

  32. Anonymous
    January 23, 2011 at 11:37 am

    it matters because whoever is paying for the polls has a lot at stake. Polls are incredibly expensive and need to show clear results. The results of the poll will tell the sponsor which candidates he can remove and replace, and which issues will help gain popularity for his candidates. Corporate personhood is a serious issue-and is clearly playing a huge role in our local political process. Remember, corporate donors no longer have to declare themselves, but can pour money into any campaign or candidate that they choose.

  33. Plain Jane
    January 23, 2011 at 11:42 am

    Since the universe is expanding and galaxies are moving farther apart, what it says to me is that, save some incredible quantum physics discoveries, the likelihood of interstellar travel is decreasing. We need to figure out how to sustain life on this planet without depleting it – stop squandering our vital resources – (air, water and soil) stop using our oceans and atmosphere as a garbage dump, and how to get along globally. We have to stop acting like microbes in a petri dish, mindlessly reproducing and gobbling up the medium without thought for the future.

  34. Mitch
    January 23, 2011 at 11:52 am

    PJ,

    Damn! I’d been sure interstellar travel was the solution to all our problems. Now we’ll have to find some other way to get away from Sarah and the Elves.

    Of course, if the universe is expanding, we’re getting farther away from them all the time, anyway. Maybe that explains why it’s getting harder for opinions to meet at the center.

  35. Anonymous
    January 23, 2011 at 11:55 am

    So now “corporate personhood” and “intersteller travel” are the reasons why people are polling Humboldt County voters for the 2012 election?

    Who woulda’ thunk it !

  36. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    January 23, 2011 at 12:00 pm

    Anonymous says:
    January 23, 2011 at 10:00 am
    Jeffrey Lytle, Dribble is what you do in Basketball. Drivel is what you write.

    Response: Oops, thank you….funny cuz I had March madness on my mind at the time writing thinking about what lay between playoffs and baseball.

    Thanks again for the correctomundo for me bobble head up arse drivel ala dribble.

    JL

  37. Mitch
    January 23, 2011 at 12:02 pm

    Surely, 11:55, you know that Humboldt voters lead the nation in travel on the astral planes?

  38. Schwingerkönig
    January 23, 2011 at 1:57 pm

    I never understood how Stars Hamburgers could be soooooo good and not cost more than a crappy McD burger…

  39. anon1
    January 23, 2011 at 2:15 pm

    Pz..Why do you care if someone is gay or not..You’re not sleeping with them..I find most homophobes have question about their own sexuality..Maybe you’re not old enough to get over yourself..Live and let live..Your kids wont be gay because they see gay people.

  40. Plain Jane
    January 23, 2011 at 2:16 pm

    Maybe because they didn’t, 1:57. Stars burgers are good, but they cost quite a bit more than McD’s, at least they did the last time I ate at either which was several years ago.

  41. sfb
    January 23, 2011 at 2:18 pm

    I miss Arctic Burger.
    Maybe R.A. can do an ADA retrofit and help a sista out?

  42. tra
    January 23, 2011 at 5:12 pm

    Mitch,

    Thanks for the link to that Hubble video. Pretty amazing stuff!

  43. Ponder z
    January 23, 2011 at 7:54 pm

    anon 1 at 2:15
    Dont care if you are gay. Until you start with the in Yur face bullshit. And the attack on the marriage thing is an attack on established religion. Push “the gay lifestyle” into public education, so my kids do see gays. The in Yur face loosed that argument, and has set the whole gay family back a few steps. Why not focus on being a normal person?

  44. Ponder z
    January 23, 2011 at 7:56 pm

    Rex is a good guy, why bust him up?

  45. Mitch
    January 23, 2011 at 8:03 pm

    Funny, I feel the same way about Ponder z. You can be stupid all you want, but why do you need to be so “in Yur face” about it?

  46. Truth in information
    January 23, 2011 at 8:27 pm

    I Wonder why Ponder doesn’t follow his own advice. Focus on being a normal guy. He is teaching his kids how to be the next bigoted generation. God forbid we have a diverse, accepting, and dynamic society.

  47. anon1
    January 23, 2011 at 8:38 pm

    Pz- and you are the pattern for normalcy..What are you hiding from..Normal..Pz, you I think have some latent issues..I’m not gay but, it doesn’t bother me.. I can tell by your tone you maybe one of those guys who puts his leg under the other stall in a public bathroom.. You probably act macho in front of your kids as not to make them question your femininity..I bet your kids could tell you more than you think..If you think you are hiding you’re not..

  48. Tiger
    January 23, 2011 at 9:29 pm

    Jimmy was re-elected with 70% of the vote 2 years ago, Mr. Schwingerkönig. Can’t give politics a break?

  49. SNaFU
    January 23, 2011 at 9:36 pm

    God must love stupid people; he made so many

  50. Owltotem
    January 23, 2011 at 10:38 pm

    Proselytize on Mitch, you got me, now dig, if the Universe was infinite, then when you looked out, every single space everywhere would have a galaxy in it because there would be an infinite number of galaxies and when you looked at the night sky it would be white, the beautiful black night sky is proof that the universe has boundaries. Maybe if you could look far enough, you could see the back of your head. :)

  51. owltotem
    January 23, 2011 at 10:38 pm

    hey, my gravatar what happened!

  52. January 23, 2011 at 10:41 pm

    The gravatar is based on whatever email address you leave in the field when posting a comment. One typo and poof! You’re a monster rather than an owl.

  53. owltotem
    January 23, 2011 at 10:45 pm

    woopsies, fat fingered it

  54. Sagan
    January 23, 2011 at 10:56 pm

    If there were boundaries, 10:38, it would be like putting a fence around it. If you could put a fence around it, then you’d be containing it and keeping it in. In from what? By definition there would have to be something beyond it, no?
    Thanks, Mitch, for the humbling Sunday sermon from the Church of the Infinite Cosmos. AUM

  55. owltotem
    January 23, 2011 at 11:03 pm

    If there were something beyond “the fence” since you are thinking about it so 3D, it would contain galaxies no? and if so, how many?

  56. longwind
    January 23, 2011 at 11:23 pm

    I don’t believe in galaxies.

  57. Filibuster
    January 23, 2011 at 11:24 pm

    Owltotem: The reason you don’t see a white night sky is due to the universe’s expansion, not presence or absence of boundaries. If it were not expanding, you would have the phenomenon you describe.

  58. owltotem
    January 23, 2011 at 11:49 pm

    Sagan, Your perception of “a fence” and the Hubbles visual images are understandable in human terms. We live and then we die, we are here or we are there; or we are here then we are there. Think about it mathematically, if you have an x,y,z graph you could draw dots all over and connect them and make a solid shape. If you added a t axis then you could shoot that shape out through time, you could show how it changed over our human concept of time . However, let’s just say you have an x,y,z,t of 1,1,1,1 can 1,1,1,1 and 1,1,1,2 exist simultaneously? We know 1,1,1 and 1,1,2 can, we can even draw them on a graph. That is because as humans, we understand tangible objects and we understand time as a linear set of occurrences, we are born, we live, we age, we die, therefore t=1 is before t=2. But, that may well only be our perception because of the humanness of our existence. If 1,1,1,1 and 1,1,1,2 can occur simultaneously just like 1,1,1 and 1,1,2 then so can we. Today, yesterday…eternal. If this is true, it is happening now. My proselytization for the night, Thanks Mitch.

  59. Walt
    January 24, 2011 at 5:54 am

    When Gort calls, just say “Klaatu barada nikto.” He’ll know what to do.

  60. Mitch
    January 24, 2011 at 7:34 am

    I just think it’s pretty, and pretty humbling.

    I’ve never understood why people think that explaining it all with a sort of Superman is sufficient, since any Superman strikes me as infinitesimal compared with what’s already before our eyes.

    For clarity, “Superman” is just one conception of God, a shallow one, but widespread. But it’s always seemed to me that any attempt to personalize God is to trivialize any true meaning she might have.

  61. Anonymous
    January 24, 2011 at 7:42 am

    So I could be here, now; and I could be here,later; right now;
    and I could be here, now; and there now; right now. COFFEE! NOW! RIGHT NOW!

  62. owltotem
    January 24, 2011 at 8:00 am

    Mitch,
    “But it’s always seemed to me that any attempt to personalize God is to trivialize any true meaning she might have.”

    I believe we do this because we only have our human experience, it is the way our brains develop. When we are born, we seek nurturing from our mother a person who held our very existence in her womb. It is a comforting concept we understand.

    Trying to wrap a human brain around another concept is almost impossible to explain with human language. I think the Native Americans and Buddhists mostly get the interconnectedness of all things, I feel it but never understand it and certainly can not explain it.

    Thanks again for the Hubble shot. Owl

  63. Mitch
    January 24, 2011 at 8:05 am

    You’re very welcome, owl.

    For anyone interested in Buddhist ideas of interconnectedness, there’s this Wikipedia entry:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indra's_net

    And this Thich Nhat Hahn poem (which I’ll sneak into any conversation given any excuse):

    http://www.quietspaces.com/poemHanh.html

  64. Plain Jane
    January 24, 2011 at 8:13 am

    That was a beautiful poem, Mitch. We can’t be more than we have experienced, but I’d still shoot the pirate if given the chance.

  65. Mitch
    January 24, 2011 at 8:17 am

    Yeah, me too, PJ. But I’m not proud about it.

  66. Mitch
    January 24, 2011 at 8:22 am

    To expand on that, PJ, I think the “trick” TNH has in mind is devoting your life to helping people not become pirates. “Shooting the pirate” — at least after his actions — is too late.

    Most of what we do is too late, and too embedded in our desire to find a single EXTERNAL entity to blame.

    That’s not to say anyone shouldn’t protect themselves, their families, or their societies, but it IS to say that we need to recognize that, in addition to the shallow techniques we now use, there are deeper techniques as well. The shallow techniques may stanch bleeding here and there, but we’re only going to make it as a species if we learn to apply the deep techniques.

  67. skippy
    January 24, 2011 at 8:26 am

    Still no definitive word on this poll, what’s it about, and who’s behind it? Are we left with opinion and presumptive guesses? No clues, firsthand hearsay, or facts?

    Meanwhile, Mitch @9:52, great link offering perspective for our little corner of the galaxy.

  68. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    January 24, 2011 at 8:35 am

    SNaFU says:
    January 23, 2011 at 9:36 pm
    God must love stupid people; he made so many

    Response: If many means two or one man and one woman, then damn him. Sorry, no PC in this argument as women were inferior then and still now in the minds of many religious folklore types. Kinda sad that the basis of mankind’s origin in theocratic circles is juxtaposed BASED on a position of superiority,rather than one of compromise (ie. The Garden of Eden, lol at scoff law religious type reactions). Today. more and more, religion is looked at jocularly. This is widely the result of factually open communications on touchy topics AND family units being broken down by its parent base. Simply, its evolution baby and quite frankly, I am ecstatic!

    JL

  69. Plain Jane
    January 24, 2011 at 8:41 am

    Of course, Mitch. Global social justice would prevent a lot of pirates from being created by giving them the access to alternative means of survival, but not all pirates are Ugandan. The US has lots of pirates too, created in a society where it wasn’t virtually mandatory for survival. And, while they may not rape young girls, they do condemn millions of children to abject poverty and that increases the likelihood that they will become “pirates” and the victims of pirates.

  70. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    January 24, 2011 at 8:44 am

    Walt says:
    January 24, 2011 at 5:54 am
    When Gort calls, just say “Klaatu barada nikto.” He’ll know what to do.

    Response: A favorite movie line of mine in “The Army Of Darkness” – such a funny flick.

    Now, I shall chainsaw that witch back into the dirty witch well of the dead…….

    Or, half arse the phrase like a wimp when trying to save the beautiful feminista when attempting to get the book,

    “Klaatu, Barada, nih hi hiktu.”

    Funny movie – Time to poke an eye out, burn myself and get tied down by minitaure carbon copies Don Quijote style.

    JL

  71. owltotem
    January 24, 2011 at 8:45 am

    Mitch, PJ and Skippy, Here is the amazing part, this started as a bullshit political poll, mans dominion, the power of wealth trying to control every last aspect of profitability in Humboldt County (a speck). Yet here I sit at my kitchen table, with joy in my heart, tears rolling down my face, a victim and a victor, a bird, a stone, the ocean, myself, experiencing interconnectedness with at least a couple of other folks within my current realm, Janey, the drums beat, we are growing, we are loving, we are connecting.

  72. Mitch
    January 24, 2011 at 8:48 am

    We’re both preaching to the choir, PJ.

    If it’s hard to feel sorry for sea pirates, it’s beyond hard to feel sorry for the Hurwitzes. But it’s important to remember that they grew up in a society in which extensive mind control technology pushed them to think that “more profit than the next guy” was key to their happiness. They followed the rules to the limit (and often beyond).

    We’re all stuck being primates. When the system says jump, we’re all inclined to ask how high, and to think the highest jumper is the alpha primate.

  73. Mitch
    January 24, 2011 at 8:53 am

    owltotem,

    Oh yeah! Who’s winning? ;)

  74. Plain Jane
    January 24, 2011 at 8:58 am

    If we were thinking we would have higher standards for who we consider alpha primate.

  75. owltotem
    January 24, 2011 at 9:00 am

    mmmm, mitch, I think you know that, I actually deleted that part, I am trying to reframe it in my soul so it is not a competition. dig, no contest ;)

  76. not_really_mitch
    January 28, 2011 at 8:54 am

    I hear Rex will do an auction at The Pool Party to raise funds for the Vector Pool, I’d donate generously if he would do it in a Speedo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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