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Council kills Jefferson School project

The Eureka City Council voted 4-1 tonight to withdraw from purchase of Jefferson School. The issue dominated the meeting, but in the end, Councilman Mike Newman prevailed with his argument that the purchase would be “speculative.”

Meanwhile the pie-in-the-sky idea that College of the Redwoods will — despite its financial problems — buy the property and set up shop in a neighborhood that doesn’t want it sounds rock solid. Ahem.

Whatever happens, the City of Eureka will have no “skin in the game,” as former Councilman Jeff Leonard put it.  Instead, it will be on the outside looking in with little say in the outcome.

  1. Owltotem
    February 1, 2011 at 10:11 pm

    What a shame, this is what happens when idiots are elected to govern. At least the Westsiders can be proud of their efforts and their commitment to do the right thing…regardless.

  2. Ruth
    February 1, 2011 at 10:12 pm

    Sorry state of affairs, it’s a good project. I am as well as many in this community, would make sure this be a benefit for all. Since the City has already spent well over $100,000 grand, will they get stuck with $200,000 penalty for backing out of escrow? It’s a no brainer, buy the property, if it doesn’t work sell at a gain. It’s pathetic that Council doesn’t have faith in their own community!

  3. Communitarian
    February 1, 2011 at 10:17 pm

    I am so angry that the council gave a giant middle finger to the best thing to happen to the West Side of Eureka in a long time. We will not forget this betrayal.

  4. Anonymous
    February 1, 2011 at 10:25 pm

    Again the west side is slapped in the face.

  5. A-Nony-Mouse
    February 1, 2011 at 10:29 pm

    That loud sound you heard at the council meeting was the sound of FOUR BRAINS SLAMMING SHUT!!!
    Brady literally dithered, apparently having no clue what was going on. She had the GALL to suggest that the Westsiders, obviously known for their vast financial resources, just come up with $500,000 in the next two weeks. She apparemtly believes the numerous properties owned by Westside residents could be fixed up with a little interior decorating and sold to pay for the project. She has NO IDEA!!!!!

    The “Fabulous Four then waved their large middle digits at the citizens of Eureka and all of their hard work. The FF seemed to think those folks did all that work and put themselves on the line just so they could present bogus numbers and unrealistic plans to confound the city. What a lousy way to treat your citizens. The next person or group that wants to do a project that involves the city might just as well forget it. There is NO TRUST there. And that goes both ways now.

  6. Heidi
    February 1, 2011 at 10:30 pm

    Chin up folks, we still have a building in blight on the Westside and no immediate prospects of ownership so lets just keep doing what we have been doing all along. We all knew we had a snowballs chance in hell with this new council but it doesn’t mean our primary focus has changed. This is our neighborhood. Lets keep it nice. See you Sunday at 2:00 at Jefferson, bring your weed whips, brooms, dustpans, mowers, pruners, garbage cans, snacks and water. See you there. Thank you all for all your support and lets start thinking about the next project. Heidi Benzonelli

  7. Owltotem
    February 1, 2011 at 10:34 pm

    How about thinking about the next election.

  8. A-Nony-Mouse
    February 1, 2011 at 10:39 pm

    I’m still reeling from the cheerleading squad that turned out for Tyson. Took a lot of balls for VB to add her two cents worth.

  9. Anonymous
    February 1, 2011 at 10:39 pm

    If the property is so valuable, the price so attractive, and the advocates’ plans so air-tight, then perhaps these advocates will all pitch in and invest their life savings (and home equity and second mortgages) in buying the property and carrying out their plans under private ownership.

    If it all worked out as the advocates predicted, they would each end up with a handsome profit. Of course the downside is that if the plans turned out to be a little bit optimistic, and the project ends up losing money year after year, the advocates’ own wealth would be on the line. But, again, since their plans are so air-tight, that’s nothing they’d really need to lose any sleep over, right?

  10. anonymous
    February 1, 2011 at 10:39 pm

    Newman and Brady have been consistent. Brainless and not gonna change.

  11. anonymous
    February 1, 2011 at 10:42 pm

    Do you think the fair people of Eureka who voted for this bunch have a few regrets after tonight’s charade? If they don’t we are truly in for a rough ride. On the other hand, watching four council members with no vision for and no trust in the people of Eureka, may just energize more of us.
    Up until we were brainwashed into buying this austerity crap, spending was the means to get the economy going again; the New Deal, for instance. Spending on public projects actually increases revenue for the city, state, nation.

  12. Anonymous
    February 1, 2011 at 10:45 pm

    Yes, that was quite a show they put on brown nosing. Actually a couple of them left with black noses.

  13. Anonymous
    February 1, 2011 at 10:47 pm

    Finally, a council that has the guts to do
    the right thing.

  14. 69er
    February 1, 2011 at 11:07 pm

    What a sheme, they will live to regret it.

  15. anonymous
    February 1, 2011 at 11:09 pm

    I wonder if part of the reluctance of the council was based on saving face for ECS. Eureka schools apparently are pretty bad so lots of parents drive their kids to schools in other towns. How much of the enrollment loss is due to that? Wouldn’t a charter school, filled to capacity at Jefferson, confirm what many parents here already know? ECS is not serving the kids of this city as they should! ECS submitted faulty documents which prohibited closing escrow. Between ECS’s incompetence and this narrow minded council, the people of Eureka got shafted again.
    One other thought. Why do parents find it easier to drive their kids 10-20 miles round trip every day than fight for quality in their neighborhood schools? Why aren’t they running for School Board to change the ECS administration culture? I know there are great teachers here but I haven’t heard one good thing about the administration. Why is it we Eurekans turn to other towns (Arcata mostly) for the good stuff but are content with mediocrity – at best – for Eureka. Damn this gets old!

  16. February 1, 2011 at 11:24 pm

    Meanwhile the pie-in-the-sky idea that College of the Redwoods will — despite its financial problems — buy the property and set up shop in a neighborhood that doesn’t want it sounds rock solid.

    Cancel a few more classes and the money to buy the property to offer more classes only to cancel them is by far the tastiest pie in the sky.

    CR is just another broke-ass Community College in a broke-ass state.

    My admiration to the residents of the West Side, and a special nod to Heidi for keeping such a positive attitude in wake of tonight’s events.

  17. Anonymous
    February 1, 2011 at 11:33 pm

    All the closed schools in Arcata are now thriving with charter schools. Eureka doesn’t want to be like Arcata at any cost (or benefit).

  18. Anonymous
    February 1, 2011 at 11:42 pm

    It was the smart move. Anything else happen at the council meeting that was noteworthy?

  19. stingerhawk
    February 1, 2011 at 11:56 pm

    I see lawsuit,grand jury complaint,recall comming soon the westside group are licking there wounds tonight but I do not see them takeing this laying down its just a matter of time!!!

  20. Goldie
    February 2, 2011 at 5:21 am

    Stingerhawk, I agree.

  21. Goldie
    February 2, 2011 at 5:44 am

    If Tyson still has the receipt for the Global Investigation and lawsuit can we return it and it will pay for the purchase of the school.

  22. Plain Jane
    February 2, 2011 at 6:06 am

    How did they decide on the issue of helping the Zoo get their grant to increase exhibits?

  23. Owltotem
    February 2, 2011 at 6:21 am

    4-1

  24. humboldturtle
    February 2, 2011 at 6:29 am

    The zoo’s a nice, safe place. Not like the west side…

  25. Anonymous
    February 2, 2011 at 6:30 am

    The only way the vote makes sense is if they know a developer is waiting in the wings.

    CR won’t buy the site if community opposition remains. Keep beating the drum and then vote in a new council that is community focused. Start over in four years. When the building is restored, erect a plaque to honor the new council at the entrance. In the bathroom, erect a plaque naming the elected officials who opposed the community.

  26. anoni
    February 2, 2011 at 6:38 am

    It is a shame but not surprising.

  27. Anonymous
    February 2, 2011 at 6:39 am

    All the closed schools in Arcata are now thriving with charter schools. Eureka doesn’t want to be like Arcata at any cost (or benefit).

    It’s true that charter schools are killing the public school system. There is a HUGE loophole in the law that allows charter schools to open when they are unwanted by a community.

    The loophole: the charter school can be located in a town that is no where near the school district doing the chartering. Find a tiny school district in a remote region who wants extra money and you’re golden.

  28. Anonymous
    February 2, 2011 at 6:40 am

    BTW, I don’t think Fuente did that. I’m speaking about charter schools in general.

  29. Heidi
    February 2, 2011 at 6:41 am

    My deepest apologies to the children and families of the Westside that were so looking forward to a Park, and to the Charter Board of Fuente Nueva for getting their hopes up. In hindsight I should have asked for 30 year deferred payment on the 600k The economics of that would have worked. It really is heart breaking to have a solid feasible plan, to share all the economics and the process with Ms Brady in the “less formal” meeting and then have her dismiss the work. I just do not see how our community is so divided that our city leaders can not support a community group willing to stand in and assume all of the risk for a 2.4 million dollar renovation and all the interim costs of such a sorely needed resource for the Westside. This divide in this community is truly heartbreaking. I wish I could have done more.

  30. Plain Jane
    February 2, 2011 at 6:52 am

    You did your best, Heidi. Brady is a shill for developers and nothing you could have done would have changed her mind or those of the other developer whores. Let’s see who steps up to buy Jefferson now and play connect the dots to find evidence of corruption that we all know is just below the surface.

  31. Anonymous
    February 2, 2011 at 7:13 am

    Heidi and Westsiders,

    I think you’ve now been given a demonstration of why doing things “the right way” might not lead to useful outcomes.

    What I hope you do now is look back through the Herald comments to find the thoughts some had about developers waiting in the wings. Start looking for any illegalities you can find. Start looking for conflicts of interest. Someone is usually stupid enough that there will be something in writing if the comment was true. Get someone put in jail, the bigger the better.

    Then you can be nice, and do things “the right way.”

  32. Heidi
    February 2, 2011 at 7:24 am

    Anonymous, I will have to step aside and let someone else chase corruption with litigious intent. I am not saying I do not believe there are profiteers drooling and using whatever means necessary illegal or otherwise to win. I just personally feel like focusing my energy in a negative direction affects me. Lawyers are expensive. When I spend $1000 on a lawyer I think, I could have just prepared 2000 healthy meals for children. To me it does not balance out. You are right, it needs to be done, just not by me, my spirit is not in it.

  33. Anonymous
    February 2, 2011 at 7:27 am

    Understandable and admirable. I hope there’s a mean bastard waiting in the wings, ready to step up and have some fun.

  34. Derral Campbell
    February 2, 2011 at 7:37 am

    anon @ 7:13: “Start looking for any illegalities you can find. Start looking for conflicts of interest. Someone is usually stupid enough that there will be something in writing if the comment was true. Get someone put in jail, the bigger the better.” The ignorant mindset that can’t allow outside-the-box creativity is really susceptible to these kinds of mistakes, and they’re waiting to be exposed. Think Cairo.

  35. Anonymous
    February 2, 2011 at 7:48 am

    The org’s mistake was in courting Fuente. Take a look at who supports immersion schools. Do you think a bunch of conservatives want to have a school in their city that teaches Spanish? Or any language other than English?

    Sure, in 50 years all public American schools, and most private ones, will teach bilingual or trilingualism (always playing catch-up to other first-world nations, as we do), but in the meantime, they ain’t gunna have dat in der towhn!

  36. Goldie
    February 2, 2011 at 8:00 am

    There is that issue of Tyson having the two letters needed to close escrow on his desk and not forwarding them to the title company.
    And then there is the Brown Act.
    And then there is being Stupid in Public, annoying but not illegal.

  37. Anonymous
    February 2, 2011 at 8:02 am

    It was the Community who supported Fuente. There is NO ELEMENTARY SCHOOL for the kids of the west side, they are bussed! They go where there is room! They don’t know who there next teacher will be nor whether they will be in the same school as their siblings or their friends. They are throw aways! Fuente Nueva offered stability for our children and our community. They offered reliability as a tenant, a track record for success and an incredibly valuable resource for our future EDUCATION. I do not care how conservative you are if you can not see the benefit in that you are just plain stupid. I am not mad at you anonymous I am sick of ignorance. The Community group offered 2.4 million in support for a 600,000 dollar investment. This city is so closed minded they could not see the value in the futures of our families and our children because there is no dollar sign in front of it. Mr. Newman needs a crash course in Eureka’s finances he is clearly the LEAST knowledgeable of the whole council and Marian Brady, give me a break, the day you dedicate one IOTA of energy to your community you can call yourself a west sider until that time you are a bought and paid for Puppet!

  38. Anonymous
    February 2, 2011 at 8:09 am

    and further more, where were all your conservative constituents who supposedly back your play? Huh, the pig poker leo sears, my god have another shot. A tea bagger from lundbar hills and a woman from arcata. The people you represent were in that room last night and they are getting sick of business as usual.

  39. Anonymous
    February 2, 2011 at 8:21 am

    Are all of you people blind ? Did any of you even listen to Arnie Hersovic’s report? He is the engineer from SHN.

    1- The break even point for rents would be $1.60 per square foot. A ridiculous number that is unmatched by any comparable property north of Santa Rosa.

    2- Carrying costs of the project would be ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS PER YEAR for the 3 years needed for the project to get off the ground.

    3- Grant funding would be difficult. The best we could hope for would be $1 million dollars of the $2.5 million dollar fix up costs.

    3- Bank financing of the project would require a $750,000 down payment.

  40. The thinking anonymous
    February 2, 2011 at 8:25 am

    Marion Brady completely skewered Heidi Benzonali to the wall with logic. If this project is so worthy, if the price of the property is so cheap, if Benzonali has so much financial support……

    …… why doesn’t her group just buy the property themselves?

  41. Anonymous
    February 2, 2011 at 8:25 am

    Could Heidi or someone else in the know respond to 8:21?

    Was the breakeven point for rents actually $1.60?

    What’s the story?

  42. John Adams
    February 2, 2011 at 8:28 am

    “Democracy… while it lasts is more bloody than either [aristocracy or monarchy]. Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There is never a democracy that did not commit suicide.”

  43. Goldie
    February 2, 2011 at 8:37 am

    Dear The thinking anonymous,
    The property at this point can only be purchased by a public entity. A little understanding of the situation may be required before what is logical can be discerned. No wonder you think Brady was effective.

  44. Anonymously
    February 2, 2011 at 8:49 am

    Goldie, you are wrong, wrong and wrong again. Public entities had a 120 day window to make bids that had a priority.

    The window closed over a year ago. The school district bent over backwards trying to work with the city who strung them along. The administration and school board were insulted and accused of all kinds of things for their actions. People here and at last night’s meeting again insulted the school district. I do not know why they put up with all that nonsense.

    The school district can sell it to anybody now including the group I am meeting with for lunch at the Ingomar Club today.

    You might check out the facts before posting next time.

  45. February 2, 2011 at 8:49 am

    A little understanding of the situation may be required before what is logical can be discerned.

    Welcome to the real Final Frontier. Where anonymous readers suddenly become resident armchair experts. In this arena of blog threads, logic and understanding have very little currency. People just want to wave their finger at a group of people who have dared to make a difference in their neighborhood.

    I know apathy, and I hope that the residents of the West Side do not take this decision by their city council as a signal to retreat into their homes and stop caring.

    These West Side folks have been a breath of fresh air in a stale city.

  46. February 2, 2011 at 8:56 am

    The school district can sell it to anybody now including the group I am meeting with for lunch at the Ingomar Club today.

    Perfect. The sale of the school will be brokered at the Ingomar. Who better to decide what’s best for the Westside than Ingomar members?

  47. Heidi
    February 2, 2011 at 8:58 am

    8.25
    With 750 grant funding the break even point is $1.30

    With 750 grant funding and WCIA and RCAA’s offers to manage and maintain the break even was 1.075

    With no grant funding and WCIA and RCAA’s offers the break even is at 1.30

    With no grant funding and no WCIA and no RCAA the break even point is 1.57

    But that is not the situation at hand. We have WCIA, letter of intent to manage, maintain or act as full 3rd party. We have letter of intent from RCAA to not only act as property manager, but the original letter of intent dedicating staff time to assist the WCIA and securing grant funding. We have $110,000 cash donations committed (without even owning the building!) we have over $50,000 dedicated in kind donations. We have a dedicated group of citizens willing to put up their own time money and talents to see this project through to success. The only person who accounted for the WCIA and RCAA’s dedicated funds in the financial was Me and that made the rent 1.075 that DID NOT include either the cash pledges nor the in kind pledged.

    You do not bring an economic argument to a political debate. It did not work. What we have is feasible, and we are willing to take the risk. what I did not think of was asking for the 600K to be deferred til after the mortgage. I just knew because I have done the economics 100 times that the project could not bear another 600k in costs up front. I am an engineer, I do things slowly and methodically. A question like “can you come up with 500K in 2 weeks” has only one answer and Ms. Brady knew it.

    Got to go guys

  48. Anonymous
    February 2, 2011 at 8:59 am

    Alcohol inspires the illusion of such brilliance.

  49. February 2, 2011 at 9:01 am

    Who better to decide what’s best for the Westside than Ingomar members?

    Perhaps H just stumbled onto what Brady and Newman were thinking last night as they watched these insignificant grass roots types blather about saving their neighborhood.

  50. Anonymous
    February 2, 2011 at 9:03 am

    Comment on alcohol inspired brilliance is in reference to the Ingomar Lunch Bunch.

  51. Heidi
    February 2, 2011 at 9:04 am

    Dont worry tapperass, retreat is not in our vocabulary, commit and follow through, definitly. See ya’ll Sunday.

  52. Anonymous
    February 2, 2011 at 9:07 am

    The break even point for rents would be $1.60 per square foot.

    Sometimes you do things to uplift a community and enjoy the community in which you live. This council is supporting the zoo, correct? It’s the same thing (assuming you like zoos). Is the zoo breaking even?

  53. Anonymous
    February 2, 2011 at 9:07 am

    Thank you, Heid 8:58.

    So what about it, Anonymous 8:21? How can you claim a breakeven rent of $1.60? Is it that you know what you are talking about but wish to lie? Or is it that you don’t know what you’re talking about?

  54. QP
    February 2, 2011 at 9:07 am

    So threaten litigation?
    Wow.

    CR walked away because you didn’t want them.
    You made your beds.

  55. QP
    February 2, 2011 at 9:09 am

    To all asking Heidi for the truth, please go to the City’s website and read the SHN report for yourself.

  56. Anonymous
    February 2, 2011 at 9:18 am

    if you can not see the benefit in that you are just plain stupid.

    Perhaps you missed my point. Would it help if I said I am a Fuente parent? I was being facetious when I said the mistake was courting an immersion school. It’s a mistake only because the council is conservative. Republicans across this country have clear issues with bilingualism, especially if the second language is Spanish.

  57. Anonymously
    February 2, 2011 at 9:20 am

    9.07am, DON’T JUST ACCEPT HEIDI’S PROPAGANDA! THINK FOR YOURSELF ! Like QP suggested, go to the city’s website & read the SHN report YOURSELF !

    Quotes from last night;

    Heidi supporter Lorene Dunaway “the financial news is grim”.

    From Lois Sullivan, Lori Canzornella (excuse spelling) and Leo Sears ALL OF THEM WITH FAR MORE FINANCIAL EXPERIENCE than Heidi can even dream of “This project does not pencil out”.

  58. Anonymous
    February 2, 2011 at 9:20 am

    You made your beds.

    We made our beds and the city council kicked us out of our beds.

    If the building lies dormant, it’s a bed made by this city council.

  59. Anonymous
    February 2, 2011 at 9:21 am

    9:07.

    Wow? Wow?

    From a unanimous vote in support of a neighborhood group’s two years of work to a nearly unanimous group opposed? And you are surprised people think you are crooked?

    Wow.

  60. QP
    February 2, 2011 at 9:28 am

    9:21,
    Which council is wrong? The ones with SHN’s report or the ones that supported the purchase before all the bad news?

    Things change.

  61. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    February 2, 2011 at 9:44 am

    The West side should consider a list of legal arguments arround the impacts and nuisances that will be above and beyond what they had prior to the site shutting down. One can’t justifiably use a post-de facto vacant site to cover-over past, but previous to vacancy, those neighborhood issues that were not present in future forms prior to such condition of vacancy.

    Is anyone surprised by the decision? I am not as it was forebearing and already conclusive in reality which way the new council was directed. Typical power and control reasonings. Now, it is cold this morning, but not as cold as the decision, apparently. Time to get back to workin in the cold.

    Jeffrey Lytle
    McKinleyville – 5th District

  62. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    February 2, 2011 at 9:54 am

    Anonymous says:
    February 1, 2011 at 10:39 pm
    If the property is so valuable, the price so attractive, and the advocates’ plans so air-tight, then perhaps these advocates will all pitch in and invest their life savings (and home equity and second mortgages) in buying the property and carrying out their plans under private ownership.

    If it all worked out as the advocates predicted, they would each end up with a handsome profit. Of course the downside is that if the plans turned out to be a little bit optimistic, and the project ends up losing money year after year, the advocates’ own wealth would be on the line. But, again, since their plans are so air-tight, that’s nothing they’d really need to lose any sleep over, right?

    Response: Good points, but these points really apply to government elected officials who quitclaim their ethics and public responsiblities to not disclose financial reality or lack of city codes/ordinances enforcements, so they continue taking grants, raising taxes on citizens and such to cover-up those dubious financial decision makings elsewhere in the city that waste tax dollars, incluseively also wasting County Headwater’s Funds monies. So, the argument about money is just another fecal matter of chunks in true bluers’ stools. Why? Strawman rational applied falsely with regard to flip-floppings.

    JL

  63. Anonymous
    February 2, 2011 at 9:56 am

    “From Lois Sullivan, Lori Canzornella (excuse spelling) and Leo Sears ALL OF THEM WITH FAR MORE FINANCIAL EXPERIENCE than Heidi can even dream of “This project does not pencil out”.”

    The Leo Sears who thinks the train is financially feasible?

  64. skippy
    February 2, 2011 at 9:59 am

    Skippy’s report:

    Redevelopment Director Cindy Trobitz-Thomas gave a thoughtfully thorough historical overview of the project leading to the present– and the 3 voting options for Council’s consideration.

    SHN consulting engineer Arnie Herscovic presented his analysis of the project strengths and weaknesses, adding the potentially expensive proposition could have fewer financing, grants, and insurance than ideally desired.

    Many proponents including Ms. Ollivier, Scott, Dunaway, Robertson, Manns and Benzonelli; Mr. Kuhnel, Leonard, Tollison, Evans, Bravo, and 20 others, commented in favor from their different perspectives.

    Opponents Mr. Todoroff and Sears, citing experience ‘crunching numbers,’ and Ms. O’Neale, opined it lacked fiscal sense and didn’t ‘pencil out.’

    Council member Atkins, informed, sound, and logical, said the project made good economic and community sense from all the angles. She patiently countered every position from fellow members with accurate, knowledgeable, and persuasive argument– combined with her tenacious foundation of fiscal, ethical, and moral vision.

    Council members Ciarabellini, Madsen, Brady, and Newman primarily dissented for fiscal reasons. Ciarabellini, the rising costs; Madsen questioning costly use of redevelopment funds; Brady, suggesting the WCIA provide its own funding, continually finger-pointing to the exclusion of CR and alternatives for a community park, center, or kitchen; Newman, the newly seated conspirator lying in wait after the Council’s previous September proposal to move forward with the Jefferson purchase, stated it had ‘capacity issues’, wasn’t a ‘core project such as streets, sewer, or the ‘Carson Block,’ and would stress City staff and resources being speculative in both its debt and ‘cloudy title’ for the City’s budget. The Jefferson Project simply ‘didn’t make dollars and sense,’ he calmly noted.

    The Jefferson School Acquisition was withdrawn on a Council vote of 4-1, Atkins the lone vote. The WCIA group departed, respectfully, shaken and disheartened, but not defeated.

    After several long hours of discussion with the project ultimately killed, yours truly humbly suggests this isn’t the last you’re going to hear of the Jefferson School, WCIA, and the indomitable Heidi Benzonelli.

    Reading the comments here, many are most accurate and of worthy opinion and consideration.

    Today’s Times-Standard article by City reporting stalwart Allison White is here .

  65. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    February 2, 2011 at 10:02 am

    What current and former tax appraisers for government entities can’t make real-estate and property over-valuations pencil out?

    It is a tax collection game against the citizenry based on property over-valuations. Projects are stalled until they can become more tax collecting. TRUTH!

    JL

  66. February 2, 2011 at 10:03 am

    Thanks for your report, Skippy. Nice job.

  67. Anonymous
    February 2, 2011 at 10:20 am

    Don’t blame them, they voted Republican.

    Heidi should run for council.

  68. Anonymous
    February 2, 2011 at 10:26 am

    They better not dump more low income crap on the neighborhood or we will sue.

  69. February 2, 2011 at 10:58 am

    This entire episode reminds us of how slow the gears of bureaucracy move in our society. By the time things were in place to make this project go, an election comes along and seats four new people who had no interest in making this project happen.

    The economics argument is rather trite. This city has shelled out money for things that ultimately made no difference. Things that lacked the support of galvanized residents (constituents to boot) like this project. It is sad, but unless you are putting money in somebody’s pocket (or election), then you best move your lemonade stand down the road.

    The one thing that ultimately killed this project was that these West Side residents were not “Name” players in this game.

    However, I do love their spirit! It is an inspiration in a city bogged down in uninspiring leadership.

  70. Anonymously
    February 2, 2011 at 11:14 am

    How many cops or firemen should lose their jobs in order to pay for this project Tapperass ? I voted for the tax increase in November for them, not for some half thought out idea that benefits one block of Eureka.

  71. anonymous
    February 2, 2011 at 11:17 am

    Skippy – you failed to note that streets and sewer are not funded through redevelopment funds. Newman didn’t have a clue and Tyson didn’t mention that until Atkins brought the point forward. Only then did Tyson own up to the correct funding sources. What is it called when important facts are withheld?
    And I beg to differ that Trobitz-Thomas gave a thoughtfully thorough overview. Again – omissions about the work and solutions brought forward by the WCIA. Listening to her, one would never know the WCIA exists.

  72. February 2, 2011 at 11:39 am

    you failed to note that streets and sewer are not funded through redevelopment funds. Newman didn’t have a clue and Tyson didn’t mention that until Atkins brought the point forward.

    True, that’s what happened. It was clear by this point that Newman and Brady (“can you find $500,000 in the next two weeks?”) were grasping at any argument they could conjure to kill the project.

  73. Anonymous
    February 2, 2011 at 11:39 am

    If the developers were to want to build they should do something smart and tasteful. Change the zoning to single family, divide into lots, sell lots which will return the property to the tax rolls, have design standards such as victorian architecture, no size limit on houses 500 or 5,000 sq. ft. This would bring home owners into the neighborhood which will create stability. If a person wanted a bigger property they could buy 2 lots. A person could build a beautiful cottage and it would be affordable. That is the way it was historically. Individuals buying lots and building a house. This would create jobs for contractors, or build it yourself.

  74. anonymous
    February 2, 2011 at 11:52 am

    Anonymous at 11:39
    In this age of dwindling resources a 5,000 SF house is not tasteful. In fact, it’s only the old farts and boomers who think a huge house is cool. Kids of the boomers want small houses but lots of public gathering places. Sounds nice, doesn’t it? Sounds like the Jefferson project, doesn’t it?
    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/ontheblock/detail?entry_id=81136

  75. Anonymous
    February 2, 2011 at 12:35 pm

    Sounds like the Jefferson project, doesn’t it?

    It sounds like the turn of last century, when Eureka and Arcata were being built. Our communities were rife with fraternal organizations, usually gender-specific and/or religiously and/or ethnically based (Masons, Knights of Pythias, Knights of Columbus and skads of others forgotten to history), but nonetheless, each had its own meeting place, dance hall, etc. Ingomar Club is a fraternal organization too, albeit it seemingly classist in nature.

    Then we had non-religious Rotary, Lions, etc., except they don’t have community meeting halls.

    Probably the closest comparison to what the community tried to start at Jefferson is the Bayside Grange, except more robust because they were lining up permanent paying tenants in addition to having a community meeting venue.

  76. BEHOLD
    February 2, 2011 at 12:40 pm

    Seriously, you can’t keep calling these folks “conservatives”!

    It’s RADICAL to add more big boxes to a town saturated in poverty wages, to add more sprawl to an over-capacity infrastructure, or to cancel the city’s $150,000/year street sweeper, while continuing the $150,000/year subsidy to the Chamber of Commerce.

    I call them “royalists”; protectors of public subsidies benefiting the rich, (via their agenda of quick-money sprawl and big boxes), repeating the discredited claim that it “trickles down” to everyone. A fallacy enforced on citizens since the time of kings…

    Royalists complain about the “blind risk” of the Jefferson investment, but have sent multi-millions to the Chamber over the years with ZERO public access to the Chamber’s finances!

    There’s another way to take the “risk” out of the Jefferson project: Have Leo Sears calculate the current value of the free-rent provided to the Chamber of Commerce, sell the property and building, and lease them a few rooms at Jefferson School; use the procedes of the sale, and the Chamber’s annual public subsidy, to return a fully-attended elementary school to a deserving community.

    This would provide the Chamber with the opportunity to have a positive influence on our children and community. Once they are TRULY worthy of public subsidies, they might begin to attract the other half of Eureka’s businesses as members…and start paying their own way for a change.

    It has always been, and will always be, about public subsidies and who controls the purse. It’s what makes the development community’s financial dominance of local politics the best investment of chump-change they’ll ever make.

  77. Anonymous
    February 2, 2011 at 1:16 pm

    What do you think of the Eureka City Council’s change of mind on buying Jefferson School?
    You can vote your opinion oh channel 3’s site.
    http://kiem-tv.com/news

  78. Anonymous
    February 2, 2011 at 1:50 pm

    anonymous 11;52 what was being said is that a person could choose the size of the house that they wanted to build. Big or small, their choice.

  79. Not A Native
    February 2, 2011 at 2:08 pm

    Oh yeah Anonymous(Hi Fi??) its solely ‘their choice’. Their Choice is sacred, regardless of the effect it has on the environment, the character of the community and their neighbors. Is it also their choice as to how many slaves they own? You’re just regurgiating, in another form, the same ole’: “THE PROPERTY OWNER” has a right to do whatever (s)he wants.

  80. Ben
    February 2, 2011 at 2:36 pm

    I find this an interesting thread where some want funding from one source taken away for another use. But what we see is what elections are for. If the majority of the public wanted what the prior council wanted, then they would have been reelected. But with close to a 60/40 victory for the new council, they seem to be acting in a way that the voters wanted. In another thread when Virginia was being criticized for appointing Linda to the Planning Commission and all of the commenters spouting their anti-Marina Center stuff, it looks like Virginia is right on the target because the vast majority of her consituents support the Marina Center. Just like the last Presidential election was a message of change and the last congressional election changed again, electiona are all about what the public wants at that time and it is the responsibility of elected people to listen to their voters.

  81. Mitch
    February 2, 2011 at 2:51 pm


    Our leaders are the finest men,
    and we elect them again and again,
    that’s what I learned in school today,
    that’s what I learned in school.

    –Tom Lehrer, mathematician and satirical singer songwriter

  82. February 2, 2011 at 2:58 pm

    Ben wrote, I find this an interesting thread where some want funding from one source taken away for another use.

    I find this issue interesting as it seems like one that started, not because of the Jefferson School purchase itself, but because of certain players involved.

    I could be wrong, but it seemed to me many of the purchase supporters took that side because they supported Larry Glass and he was involved in it. Once Glass lost, it seemed the lefty types here got really involved in supporting it more as being in opposition to the new council than because of the merits or lack thereof involving the issue itself.

    It became an us vs. them thing early on, even before the election. Then again, Larry Glass seemed to me to be an us vs. them type of guy to me and his legacy lived on after his defeat. This groundswell of support from (what I feel is the minority) is more along the line of homage to Glass from his supporters.

    I’m not saying there might not be some merit to purchase supporters’ arguments. I’m just saying much of the anger here started irregardless of the issue itself and more because of their anger at Glass’ loss.

  83. Anon1
    February 2, 2011 at 3:02 pm

    I just have one question does the Chamber of commerce and the visitors bureau pencil out? 100,000 for the chamber and I think 200,000 for the bureau..I guess Newman should look in the mirror and ask that question. and little Ginny is thankful that David didn’t out her.. in the deposition..Brady is just plain, never mind. I think we should look at recall time!

  84. tra
    February 2, 2011 at 3:06 pm

    Of course, Fred, it’s possible to view the evidence in exactly the opposite way — that many of those on the Anti- side are largely motivated by their desire to block something that was supported by Glass and by others who the Antis see as their political enemies.

    I suspect there is a bit of truth in both points of view, though I also suspect that many of the people on both sides are genuine in their policy concerns.

  85. Anon
    February 2, 2011 at 3:16 pm

    Great, another abandoned dilapidated property in Eureka left to sit and rot. That’ll be great for the neighborhood. Such vision!

  86. anonymous
    February 2, 2011 at 4:10 pm

    Ben, the city council election was not 60/40. Marian Brady won by that but Lance Madsen was not opposed, Melinda Ciarabelli was appointed and Xandra Mann and Ron Kuhnel, combined, got more votes than Mike Newman who got less than 50%. Stop trying to mislead people.

  87. Anonymously
    February 2, 2011 at 4:14 pm

    Regardless 4.10pm, Larry Glass opposed the Marina Center and Robin Arkley & pushed the purchase of Jefferson. Marion Brady supported the Marina Center & expressed doubts about Jefferson.

    Marion kicked Larry’s ass.

  88. robash141
    February 2, 2011 at 4:15 pm

    Remember ,the very first act of this new council was to hook up their buddies in the Chamber with a big fat public subsidy for rent. Fiscally conservative indeed.

  89. robash141
    February 2, 2011 at 4:25 pm

    Anyone passing around a recall petition for these chumps, don’t hesitate to hit me up.

  90. Decline to State
    February 2, 2011 at 4:33 pm

    Jefferson school, soon going the way of the Downtowner motel and the Arctic Circle. What a mess.

  91. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    February 2, 2011 at 4:55 pm

    Ben says:
    February 2, 2011 at 2:36 pm
    I find this an interesting thread where some want funding from one source taken away for another use. But what we see is what elections are for. If the majority of the public wanted what the prior council wanted, then they would have been reelected. But with close to a 60/40 victory for the new council, they seem to be acting in a way that the voters wanted. In another thread when Virginia was being criticized for appointing Linda to the Planning Commission and all of the commenters spouting their anti-Marina Center stuff, it looks like Virginia is right on the target because the vast majority of her consituents support the Marina Center. Just like the last Presidential election was a message of change and the last congressional election changed again, electiona are all about what the public wants at that time and it is the responsibility of elected people to listen to their voters.

    Response: The majority you speak of IS = voter majority that actually voted; voter majority is NOT = to majority of community, nor majority of all potential eligible voters. So, as the turn of the century comment about factions above speaks of, it is true that money is floated around to these groups of politically connected who can do some very, very good advertisings and campaigns bought and paid for elections of all types……. I can’t imagine how many grants are used on projects that have been priced upwardly for higher valuations cuz public tax dollars get thrown and wasted on so many minor public projects that use the paperwork charges to try to make something outta nothing, really. Let’s not discuss the doggy park or skateboard park either cuz we would not want to start making comparisons and priorities in list form.

    JL

  92. Nancy Woodward
    February 2, 2011 at 4:56 pm

    Charter Schools were invented by dedicated parents and teachers who insisted on quality education and refused to be defeated. As one of the pioneers, and proud of it, I would suggest that to such people, a set back is just that, no worse. We win because we have created wonderful schools and because families want us.

    The neighborhood is aligned. That ought to be enough.

  93. mitchelllimas
    February 2, 2011 at 5:00 pm

    Eureka has many more problems (largely economic) than the buying of the Jefferson School. I applaud their decision because it may actually mean that they are willing to focus on more important issues.

    Buying up an old school is something that a well-managed, safe, and financially sound city should do… not Eureka.

  94. Matt
    February 2, 2011 at 5:49 pm

    If they aren’t using the redevelopment money to buy the school, what ARE they using it for?

  95. February 2, 2011 at 6:15 pm

    Roads and sewers, according to Mike Newman.

  96. Anonymous
    February 2, 2011 at 6:23 pm

    Redevelopment money went to buy the Serenity Inn. It went to several halfway houses for the addicted. It is interesting to see the Chamber of Commerce gets what they want and what do they bring to the table where the prosperity of the city is concerned.

  97. Anonymous
    February 2, 2011 at 6:25 pm

    I wonder if this same scenario was happening in the East side of town what the outcome would have been.

  98. February 2, 2011 at 6:36 pm

    How many cops or firemen should lose their jobs in order to pay for this project Tapperass ?

    Redevelopment funds are used to pay for cops and firefighters?

    I love arguing with anonymous, they make me laugh.

  99. Tapperass doesn't listen
    February 2, 2011 at 6:52 pm

    They also laugh, but at your lack of listening skills Tapperass. Did you even listen to Arnie Herscovic when he said the carrying costs would be $100,000 per year for 3 years before any project would be completed ?

    Did you listen to him when he said the break even point would require rents of a $1.60 per square foot ? Such outlandish rents would be impossible. At the very best we would only get $1 per square foot and even that is only possible if the charter school is NOT one of the tenants.

    Did you listen to him when he said, at best, only $1 mill of the $2.5 million improvement costs would be paid by any grants. That even that mill would be doubtful ?

    Tapperass, learn to read & listen with a open mind. the carrying costs, the shortage needed from rent and maybe more than $1.5 million of the improvement cost WOULD ALL BE PAID BY THE GENERAL FUND.

  100. Don't be stupid
    February 2, 2011 at 6:53 pm

    6.49pm, you’re an ass. Cowardly little punk ass internet bully.

  101. Anonymous
    February 2, 2011 at 7:01 pm

    The bully title is reserved for the right-but I’m glad that you are so upset-the truth is a bitch, and maybe you need to warn your pathetic city council lovers that their truths will see the light of day and they should not have gone after such positions if they didn’t want such scrutiny. Coward this you anonymous whiner!

  102. Anonymous
    February 2, 2011 at 7:04 pm

    This whole thing is showing how little most people know about Redevelopment. It also shows how little the new city council knows. Brady did not know what “recuse” meant when she started to vote on the Chamber of Commerce issue, she is a Chamber member. Newman looks like a wax figure that is melting and doesn’t know jack shit. Note to puppet masters! When selecting a puppet be sure to insert information about the office that they are being placed in.

  103. Anonymous
    February 2, 2011 at 7:12 pm

    Anonymous 6;49 is right on. We have been wondering why he doesn’t shave. He is creepy with his sappy and whiney voice. He is totally weird.

  104. tra
    February 2, 2011 at 7:18 pm

    That 6:49 post was classic lowlife mudslinging. Lots of rumour, gossip and innuendo, very light on facts.

    There are plenty of legitimate arguments to be made against those City Councilors, but you haven’t made any of them.

  105. Mitch
    February 2, 2011 at 7:32 pm

    I hope Heraldo deletes 6:49, unless s/he’s prepared to defend it.

  106. Anon1
    February 2, 2011 at 7:36 pm

    Boy a couple of you don’t want the truth. Lets have them answer the questions posed about their usage..I’m not a fan of Leonard but he had the balls to ask the question.

  107. tra
    February 2, 2011 at 7:44 pm

    And, H, feel free to also delete my above comment quoting 6:49’s fact-free claims.

  108. tra
    February 2, 2011 at 7:50 pm

    As far as legitimate grievances go, I certainly agree that an elected official not knowing the meaning of the word “recuse” is not exactly confidence-inspiring.

    I mean how could you even grow to adulthood in this country without hearing in the news, hundreds of times, that one judge or legislator or another had to recuse themselves due to a conflict of interest?

    I know there’s always going to be a learning curve, but it would be nice if they didn’t have to start from a position of utter cluelessness. Is that too much to ask?

  109. February 2, 2011 at 7:52 pm

    6:49 comment removed.

  110. February 2, 2011 at 7:56 pm

    Brady’s platform was a noun, a verb, and “Marina Center.” What else does she need to know?

  111. A-Nony-Mouse
    February 2, 2011 at 8:01 pm

    TDL 6:52 oh where to start? Arnie and SHN gave the council what it paid for: half a report. They analyzed options 1 through 3 but ignored 4 through 6 which were to ones that did “pencil out”. Bias? You damn betcha!
    People like NoNoNewman have NO concept of community or belonging. He’s a carpetbagger in his own ward. Yeah, Larry moved, too, but he at least had a 30 year connection to the First. NoNoNewman was a walk-on who gained office only from a 3 way race were the better candidates split the vote. (Xandra, I’m still mad as hell!). He has no more concept of community than a muskox has of a skateboard!
    Then there’s Brainless Brady. She actually DITHERED! She was so far off the audience was asking what the hell she was talking about. She was codescending and insulting. She offered NOTHING except to faithfully vote with the drones. It was downright embarrassing.
    There’s more but I have to share this computer with the family.

  112. Anonymous
    February 2, 2011 at 9:12 pm

    A-Nony shows his own prejudiced views of Newman & Brady and does not reflect the reality of the situation.

  113. Dancing
    February 2, 2011 at 10:14 pm

    A-Nony clearly does NOT know Mr. Herskovic or his well earned spotless reputation.

    The Jefferson project did NOT pencil out. Disappointing, Yes.
    Well played by the new council, No.
    Fiscally conservative as could easily be justified by the terrible economic mess we are in, Yes.
    A wake up call to Newman and Brady that they are woefully uninformed about the ins and outs of city management, I sure as hell hope so.

  114. Anonymous
    February 2, 2011 at 10:21 pm

    Anonymous 9:12 YOU talk of prejudiced views? The situation pointed out in a glaring manner by A-Nony-Mouse is that Newman and Brady in reality are imbeciles. Newman is a ridiculous clod that looks down on all those that are so much more intelligent than he could ever dream of being, which is a true sign of stupidity.

  115. Owltotem
    February 2, 2011 at 10:39 pm

    Don’t blame me, I voted for Larry Glass

  116. Owltotem
    February 2, 2011 at 10:49 pm

    Ben, you blew it
    Newman, Not a majority, Manns was the spoiler
    Madsen, unopposed (THAT WAS A MISTAKE!)
    Ciarabellini, appointed by puppets of Lurch
    Only Brady won, how many of you Brady voters would do that again? She and Newman alike were married to Measure N riding SN pursestrings all the way to council chambers.

  117. Owltotem
    February 2, 2011 at 10:56 pm

    Mangles, it is regardless, there is no such word as irregardless. And Yes Larry Glass empowered the West side Community, he encouraged them to take responsibility for their neighborhood, so did Jeff Leonard, and Polly Endert. Just look at what we have now, how much do the citizens really have to say about what goes on in the community, these deals all happen behind closed doors. It is a sad sad state of affairs. Keep blaming Glass and turn a blind eye.

  118. Anonymous
    February 2, 2011 at 11:37 pm

    Larry Glass actually listened to his ward members. By doing this he worked with law enforcement and the citizens to get rid of several drug houses. He understood the problems of the business owners in Old town having been a business owner there for many years. He actually wanted to Eureka a safer place to live and work in. I guess all of you that live near the zoo do not care about Old Town and the surrounding neighborhoods. If you lived in the west side you would probably have appreciation for all the hard work he did to improve this town. You would understand why we all like him so much. He was nobody’s puppet. But he did listen to citizens concerns and actually did something about the problems we had. Unlike all the other council members he was in it to improve the town. All the others couldn’t care less about the west side.

  119. Anonymous
    February 3, 2011 at 12:17 am

    Mitch says:
    February 2, 2011 at 2:51 pm

    Our leaders are the finest men,
    and we elect them again and again,
    that’s what I learned in school today,
    that’s what I learned in school.

    –Tom Lehrer, mathematician and satirical singer songwriter

    Mitch, are you entirely sure that song wasn’t written by Tom Paxton?

  120. Anonymous
    February 3, 2011 at 12:37 am

    Good luck, Owltotem, trying to get Fred to stop using the word “irregardless.” I tried some time back, but as you can see, it did no good.

    My online Merriam-Webster dictionary says: “Irregardless originated in dialectal American speech in the early 20th century. Its fairly widespread use in speech called it to the attention of usage commentators as early as 1927. The most frequently repeated remark about it is that “there is no such word.” There is such a word, however. It is still used primarily in speech, although it can be found from time to time in edited prose. Its reputation has not risen over the years, and it is still a long way from general acceptance. Use regardless instead.”

  121. Mitch
    February 3, 2011 at 6:15 am

    12:17 is right. “What Did You Learn in School Today” was written by Tom Paxton, not Tom Lehrer.

    They’re both great.

  122. Plain Jane
    February 3, 2011 at 7:07 am

    True ward voting is the answer, people. None of us would permit the entire nation to elect our senators and representatives, not even at the county level, so why allow it at the city level? It makes no sense from a representative democracy point of view.

  123. February 3, 2011 at 7:42 am

    I ask any of you with spare time to try and reach out to a new audience and express your views on this,since most of people on here are the same regular group,not much new blood.
    Yesterday I posted a rant about virginias Bullshit comments about Tyson as reported in the T-S. Flagged and removed within 15 minutes literally. So throughout the day I would repost and allways flagged within an hour. Meanwhile idiots on there post all sorts of vile anti-semite,anti Obama shit and its never flagged! Coincidence? I think not. So if interested in trying this theory out go to humboldt Craigslist R R and post an opinion about our new council of morons and see for yourself. I was told commenting on Tyson costing and wasting city if Eureka hundreds of thousands was LIBEL,HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. They really don’t want the mass public talking about this

  124. Eric Kirk
    February 3, 2011 at 8:33 am

    This is what happens when progressives split their votes, fail to run candidates, and fail to organize. You’re stuck with these types of votes for at least four years.

  125. Anonymous
    February 3, 2011 at 9:36 am

    Good point Eric. It’s not an evil conspiracy when you lose because you did a shitty job organizing. If progressives find candidates can appeal to voters instead of just the small group of progressive cadres they can turn the entire City Council around again in four years. Here’s a hint. Don’t use only one very devisive issue as you entire brand. The Marina Center issue killed progressives last go around.

  126. February 3, 2011 at 9:41 am

    Progressives didn’t use the Marina Center last election. The Brady Bunch did.

    Where is the MC anyway? Voters were told they would get it “now.”

  127. Not A Native
    February 3, 2011 at 9:46 am

    Eric’s observation is correct but he’s also part of the problem by playing the blame game and ineffectual handwringing. He simplistically focuses on symptoms, not causes.

    Quite a few people are attracted to claiming themselves ‘progressive’ simply to further their personal narcissistic and independent tendencies. They defy organizing and loyalty to the ‘greater good’ for fear of being regimented and having their ‘creativity’ stifled. Essentially, they don’t care if their candidate wins. For them, ‘making a statement'(of their own uniqueness and individuality) is more important. ‘Progressives’ who truly want to effect change need to realize those people aren’t reliable partners, must stop catering to their agendas, and enlarge the ‘progressive’ appeal to more reliable voters, who share their desire to actually make a difference rather than stroking their egos to feel good about themselves.

    Winning politically in a democracy requires organization and willingness to stay loyal to your organization when the chips are down. Conservatives have an edge in that respect because, by definition, their value system prizes deference to, respect for, and faith in authority. Progressive need to take a page from that playbook, while also rejecting other aspects of it. Thats a more challenging task than merely exerting control.

  128. Anonymous
    February 3, 2011 at 9:49 am

    Or maybe, just maybe it’s at least in part what happens when the agenda of progressives becomes too extreme for the mainstream voter. I am not refering to the Jefferson school which the city should probably have purchased and which is an unfortunate causality and example of backlash from the far left overreaching in other areas.

  129. Anonymous
    February 3, 2011 at 9:51 am

    The Marna Center is waiting on hold until they do not have to do a proper clean up. As soon as they can just pave over the toxic stew in the soil they will start.
    They need to kill the town a bit more. Discourage jobs, run off more people, and wait until Arkely is the only show in town.

  130. Anonymous
    February 3, 2011 at 10:32 am

    “Progressives” have been splitting the vote in Eureka for decades. Ron Kuhnel is only the latest victim.

  131. Anonymous
    February 3, 2011 at 10:56 am

    Most issues are simple. People slant their view a certain way due to a key influence and then seek out reasoning to support their viewpoint. In this case, I think the council members value CR as a tenant over poor people organizing a community center.

    It’s poor people or CR and they choose CR. It doesn’t matter that CR might never buy the property. Their minds were made up long ago.

  132. Mitch
    February 3, 2011 at 12:19 pm

    Not A Native has described the problem for progressives with 100% accuracy, IMO:


    Winning politically in a democracy requires organization and willingness to stay loyal to your organization when the chips are down. Conservatives have an edge in that respect because, by definition, their value system prizes deference to, respect for, and faith in authority. Progressive need to take a page from that playbook, while also rejecting other aspects of it. Thats a more challenging task than merely exerting control.

    I think owltotem, on another thread, had some good ideas for community-building. That’s one route, maybe the only one, with which progressives might develop enough trust in one another to stick together when confronted with would-be partners who are inevitably imperfect.

    One really nice thing about getting together to accomplish a real-world task is that you find out, quickly, who will really do actual work (even when it’s tedious), who mostly wants to expound, who mostly wants to be in charge, and who mostly wants someplace where people won’t tell them to go away.

  133. Anonymous
    February 3, 2011 at 12:30 pm

    Or you could all be wrong & the new council just saved the Eureka taxpayers millions of dollars.

  134. The Other Majority
    February 3, 2011 at 12:31 pm

    Any debate about what last Nov’s election meant is pure fantasy without acknowledging the “silent majority” that either doesn’t register to vote, or that registers and abstains…this is at least 50% of the eligible voters, if national trends are applicable.

    If our “community media” bothered to routinely illustrate how (painfully) few citizens elect our leadership, and how one tiny minority successfully funds them, (ie, express a little righteous outrage), many more citizens would have the opportunity to “get it” and register tomorrow.

    Assisting the media in its responsibility is one of the challenges Progressives face. If Progressives truly want to effect change we must broaden our appeal FAR beyond the “reliable voters” and begin hammering out the language that informs and motivates the silent majority.

    Focusing democratic values to appeal to the “reliable voters” has once again served the seamless shift of republicans to the democratic party. “Trickle-up economics” is a fundamental principle of the democratic party, rediscover it during the New Depression, and watch the rats jump ship.

  135. Anonymous
    February 3, 2011 at 2:56 pm

    Is there really any way the Marina Center can be built “now” or in the foreseeable future if SN does not have the funds to perform the clean-up on the site? Where is the money needed to develop this project going to come from?

  136. Anon1
    February 3, 2011 at 3:01 pm

    Time to write a check to the Chamber..it pencils out..are Newman and Hockaday related. its time to pull a rabbit out of the hat. RECALL, RECALL, RECALL.

  137. Anonymous
    February 3, 2011 at 3:36 pm

    The rampant ignorance here makes me fear for the future of the country.

    Please tell me, Anon1, A-Nony, Plain Jane and others, that you do not vote.

  138. LDCambigue
    February 3, 2011 at 3:45 pm

    Well, I have been waiting to see if anyone would mention this; so far I haven’t seen it, unless I missed it. Are all of you aware that the City Council just incurred a two hundred thousand dollar penalty ($200,000.00) for pulling out of escrow with Eureka City Schools. That was known in advance, Eureka City Schools made it clear at a board meeting several months ago; that is exactly one third of the cost of the entire property. Too stupid to believe.

  139. Plain Jane
    February 3, 2011 at 4:35 pm

    You make such a compelling argument, who could disagree with you, 3:36? Maybe if you used a pseudonym rather than Anonymous we could parse your posts for evidence of your brilliance; but since the only post that can be ascribed to you is at 3:36, the evidence says you are an idiot who can only insult without making a case for your own viewpoint.

  140. Anonymous
    February 3, 2011 at 4:41 pm

    I too heard that the city will have to pay $200,000 for backing out on the escrow. Is this really true? Where will the $ come from. I suppose it will come from the same pot as the redevelopment funds that bought the Serenity Inn.

  141. LDCambigue
    February 3, 2011 at 4:52 pm

    Regarding the penalty of $200,000.00 if the City of Eureka backed out of escrow; Greg Haulk, Superintendant of Eureka City Schools, was actually asked during a board meeting months ago; what would happen if the city did back out? He responded, the penalty would be steep; again, $200,000. Wouldn’t you think that the city staff, or any one of the council members would have pointed out that penalty during the Tuesday meeting? Nobody did. Further, the public speaks at the council meetings on this and other topics before the council does; the public is not allowed to go back and clarify later. So, when the council did not mention the penalty, the public had already had their turn to speak; it was too late.

  142. Anonymous
    February 3, 2011 at 4:59 pm

    No wonder Sidnie Olson Eureka community director is quitting. This is frightening that this city grows more incompetent by the moment. Look at the whole city council excepting Atkins the IQ doesn’t reach 100. $200,000- YIKES!

  143. Plain Jane
    February 3, 2011 at 5:13 pm

    I can’t believe the city manager wouldn’t have told the dumber than rocks council members that it costs money to back out of an escrow? Haven’t these people ever bought a house?

    And then there’s their legal counsel. Surely someone must have foreseen the council was going to renege on the deal and told them how much it would cost the city with nothing in return. Another $200,000 down the frigg’n drain.

  144. Plain Jane
    February 3, 2011 at 5:20 pm

    “The city negotiated with the school district to pay $600,000 in redevelopment funding for the 2.3-acre lot, paying $200,000 up front and the remainder by the end of the fiscal year.”

    link

  145. Plain Jane
    February 3, 2011 at 5:23 pm

    Well, at least the money is going to the schools rather than a wronged employee or the fat cat developers. Do you think the schools will now knock $200,000 off the purchase price for the developer who buys it?

  146. I know
    February 3, 2011 at 5:45 pm

    The City will most definitely NOT be losing the 200,000 in escrow. How do I know this? Because I called city hall and asked.

    Time will definitely tell whether or not my statement is true or not, but the answer I was given was a big NO.

  147. Plain Jane
    February 3, 2011 at 5:54 pm

    Why would ECS give back the money they’ve already received just because the new council reversed direction? It isn’t the schools’ fault.

  148. Anonymous
    February 3, 2011 at 6:09 pm

    Checking with my lawyer, he said the schools could probably keep the deposit for any damages they suffer. For example, it now sells for $500,000 instead of six they could keep $100,000 of the deposit.

  149. Anon1
    February 3, 2011 at 6:48 pm

    Tyson 200,000 deposit 200,000 100,000 chamber wow were almost there..LOW INCOME HOUSING here we come. I feel sorry for all of us.

  150. Muffy
    February 3, 2011 at 7:06 pm

    Check with Greg Haulk at Eureka City Schools, not City Hall. Do you really believe someone at City Hall would tell you honestly the size of the penalty for pulling out of an open escrow account?

  151. bunny
    February 3, 2011 at 7:46 pm

    The big question is know will the City have to pay $200,000 for backing out of escrow? One member who spoke up at City Council meeting asked that question. The City spent at least $100,000 prior to it’s decision, $20,000 for Landscape Architect, $50,000+ for SHN, $20,000-$25,000 for Legal $$$$ Overtime hours for Staff and Planning and the list goes on….Why would Sidnie Olsen let it slip of the lips during a Historical planning hearing on this property in September 2010 that “I was instruct to split it into 4 parcels. They just posted NO TRESSPASSING signs all over Jefferson. The reason why escrow didn’t close in a timely manner is certain people wanted the NEW COUNCIL to be seated so they could do just kill the project(just as certain that it was). Lots of questions people, read between the lines. It’s sad to say to us in the Community and the Children you aren’t worth it!

  152. Muffin
    February 3, 2011 at 7:49 pm

    I just saw the signs today, over many of the windows and all over the playground at Jefferson. They read “Posted, No Trespassing” does anyone know who put them up?

  153. LDC
    February 3, 2011 at 7:54 pm

    I believe that any $$ the City of Eureka spent, they just completely lost; SHN, everything. There were no instructions from another party regarding landscaping, architects, SHN, etc. That was their choice; I also believe Bunny is correct, we were snookered, the plan all along appears to have been to get it ready for a developer. So who put up the new signs, does anyone know?

  154. February 3, 2011 at 7:56 pm
  155. Truth Seeker
    February 3, 2011 at 8:28 pm

    Just once I would like you to think or do some research before you post another bullshit accusation again Heraldo. When the property goes back to bid it might be a developer, but they would have to outbid C/R or anybody else.

    I guess the neighborhood group might be sorry they chased C/R out before.

  156. February 3, 2011 at 8:41 pm

    Your pseudonyms are getting *really* creative, “Truth Seeker.”

  157. Owltotem
    February 3, 2011 at 10:11 pm

    Anonymous 609 sounds like an backdoor way for the city to gift redevelopment funds to an old boy developer. City puts up 2, loses it to ECS, developer gets the property for 4, esc gets 6 developer gets a deal lets follow this one carefully and see how things really work in this ole town. oh wait a minute david reduces his benefits, increases his pay, gets out on his highest earning year and retires fat. oh and how much do we pay annually for operations and maintenance at the zoo? 650K, annually, oh and the gate passes, those go to the zoo foundation right? hell with those dirty little kids on the westside, they dont have $1.25 for basketball at adorni (nor the expected attire) they dont have $2 for the zoo, they get bussed whereever there is room, and there are no trespassing signs on the playground. You may as well go play in the street .. this is ruffling owls feathers.

  158. Anonymous
    February 3, 2011 at 10:49 pm

    i can remember a few years ago when Kevin Hamblin was community development planner. He was confronted with the fact that all the low income, drug rehabs and so on were all dumped on the Westside. When asked why it was all dumped on us he said “Where else are we going to put it”. They get Redevelopment funds if they build more of this “Affordable Housing”. Nice way to say LOW LOW income apartments, housing for the homeless, the addicted, the insane. I can just see more shit dumped on the neighborhood. I can just see the builders of future slums lining up for those redevelopment loans and priority processing of permits.

  159. Anonymous
    February 3, 2011 at 11:18 pm

    We do not want CR in our quiet residential neighborhood, “TRUTH SEEKER”

  160. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    February 3, 2011 at 11:53 pm

    Heraldo says:
    February 3, 2011 at 8:41 pm
    Your pseudonyms are getting *really* creative, “Truth Seeker.”

    Response: Oh, Heraldo, do tell us who it is, cuz you do know, but you just won’t tell, will ya….oh well, worth a pseudonym background request anyhow.

    JL

  161. Owltotem
    February 4, 2011 at 7:09 am

    HJ,
    Our favorite neo-con? It is HiFi. He probably got a spanking from his Daddy and told not to use Hi Fi anymore because people had figured out who he was.

    Right Mark, Tom, Larry, John, Mathew, Rob. What the %^$ ever. Hi Fi you are a chicken shit. Bock Bock Bock Bock Boooooock.

    Y’all ruffled my feathers, I feel like grinding someone into a pellet!

  162. Owltotem
    February 4, 2011 at 7:10 am

    rrrr my gravatar, why doesnt that field auto populate anymore!

  163. Anon1
    February 4, 2011 at 1:06 pm

    OT as usual I love your posts..You and PJ are on the top of my list of Local HEROS..Thank you..I was told by one of my friends yesterday to be careful about what I say..Someone has to bring these things up or people just don’t know the TRUTH..Thanks again..

  164. A-Nony-Mouse
    February 4, 2011 at 8:45 pm

    From here it sure looks like one of those posting as Anonymous is the former HiFi. Who else could be so nasty?

  165. Anonymous
    February 6, 2011 at 7:35 am

    He/she may or may not be back. You however are doing the old trick of attacking your enemy by discounting them.

    There is not just one Anonymous. There are a number of us.

  166. Anonymous
    February 6, 2011 at 7:39 am

    The mighty T-S, in the name of Allison White, has weighed in with in-depth analysis. Ms. White appears to have forgotten what the prior vote was, but given her extensive reportorial skills, she was able to do a complete count of the current vote. It makes a reader proud.

    “After some ups, downs and an election, the Eureka City Council voted 4-1 on Tuesday to pull out of the deal, citing financial concerns.”

    Ms. White doesn’t stop here. She has quotes, with quotation marks and all.

  167. Anonymous
    February 6, 2011 at 7:46 am

    Is there any heroic researcher who can discover what the prior vote was? It must have been very close, and long, long ago. Right?

  168. Plain Jane
    February 6, 2011 at 7:48 am

    HA HA, 7:46.

  169. Anonymous
    February 6, 2011 at 7:53 am

    Oh, Ms. Jane, this is most assuredly not a matter for humor. No, no, no. It warms the heart to see the press go into battle for what is good and true! Thanks heavens for a free press. What would our fair city do without its protectors! Why, we’d be a damsel in distress lying tied to (balloon) tracks. I think I hear a developer to windward. But wait! Not windward after all. Hark — Leeward after all. There’s the developer!

  170. Anonymous
    February 6, 2011 at 8:02 am

    Avast! A mighty whale! And, can it be so? I bare believe my eyes. But I confess I see’t. A ring of minnows, favoring the mighty whale’s small sword with their tender affections.

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