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Newman’s big head

Eureka City Councilman Mike Newman seems to think Eureka voters carried him to city hall on a golden chariot in November. But he forgets that he won the election despite a majority of voters going against him.

As noted in a recent guest editorial in the Times-Standard, the city council lacks a mandate for some of its recent actions:

The Eureka City Council is made up of one council member who was appointed, one council member who ran unopposed, one council member who won the seat with less than a majority of the voters, and just two members who were elected by a majority of the voters. This is not a council that has a clear mandate to make drastic changes to the course of our city.

When the Council voted Tuesday to send a letter to Humboldt County Supervisors seeking to halt the 13 years-in-the-making General Plan Update, Newman said he’d been to one — count ’em, one — Planning Commission meeting and felt he wasn’t heard.

That’s strange coming from someone who ignored comments from his own constituents — who worked for years on the Jefferson School project — and stuck to his ill-informed talking points.

Perhaps the Board of Supervisors should vote to send a letter to city hall requesting a stop to city proceedings until Newman gets a clue.

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  1. Anonymous
    March 6, 2011 at 12:24 am

    A councilman ran unopposed? That’s called a good thing. It either means people are satisfied with his performance, or he’s so popular with voters that no one wants to waste their time running against him.

    All but one council member was elected, and the other one was appointed by elected representatives. Democracy’s a bitch, huh?

  2. Get a Clue
    March 6, 2011 at 1:27 am

    If only it were so simple. You see, you run against the Arkley machine and they kill you with money.

    Good luck with that.

    “A lie repeated one hundred times becomes the truth.”

  3. Decline to State
    March 6, 2011 at 7:26 am

    I can’t imagine anyone being surprised at the course of action this council is taking. The only mandate they serve is from the business and development communities. They most certainly don’t represent the community at large nor the people who comprise it.

    First Eureka, the rest of the county will follow. In a democracy people get what they deserve. I blame us.

  4. "JG"
    March 6, 2011 at 7:30 am

    No Arkley money to be found on those disclosure forms but lots of Pierson bucks. Talk about buying influence.

  5. Plain Jane
    March 6, 2011 at 7:39 am

    That’s because Arkley and his many front groups were running smear ads for years against the opponents of those he favored, JG, which they didn’t have to list as contributions.

  6. Down the Road
    March 6, 2011 at 8:11 am

    You have overrated Newman. In order to get a clue,
    one must have some intelligence.

  7. March 6, 2011 at 8:23 am

    Since all business and corporate contributions are secret, just how do you figure you would know if certain persons donated or not? Only the “Little People” have to report. Check: “Citizens United”-Get with new millennium.

  8. Pitchfork
    March 6, 2011 at 8:48 am

    “Bumper sticker seen on a vehicle on the Westside of Eureka today”
    March 5, 2011 post by Eric Kirk

    “Don’t blame me, I voted for Larry Glass.”

    This is of course in response to what is being viewed as a sleezy move by the majority of the Eureka City Council which has made activists of a number of Westside residents.

  9. Plain Jane
    March 6, 2011 at 9:00 am

    Republican over-reach is creating activists all across the country. Their bait and switch was too blatant and extreme and made their agenda clear to those who haven’t been dumbed down to tea party level or sold out DINO’s.

  10. Toohey
    March 6, 2011 at 9:29 am

    PJ you spend too much time on here. Most people are middle of the road, i.e. not progressive. If you talked to your neighbors, the ones you don’t like, you would know that. They vote too.

  11. March 6, 2011 at 9:43 am

    I notice Newman demands even more “public” input for the County’s General Plan Update (GPU), but does the planning for the city behind doors in CLOSED SESSION with just the developers invited:
    http://www.times-standard.com/localnews/ci_17550398
    “City, developer exploring options for Eureka Pier project; discussions being held in closed session”

  12. Plain Jane
    March 6, 2011 at 9:47 am

    Toohey, you should be reading the polls rather than my posts. Even the right leaning Rasmussen reports that a large majority (in Wisconsin and across the country – including a large percentage of Republicans)are opposed to the GOP’s agenda of undermining union influence, public and private. A large majority favors increasing taxes on the rich rather than cutting wages for middle class public employees. Politicians who ignore this swell of working class unity will become an endangered species.

  13. Anonymous
    March 6, 2011 at 9:54 am

    You see, you run against the Arkley machine and they kill you with money.

    “A lie repeated one hundred times becomes the truth.”

    Were you intending to be ironic? You must talk in your sleep because you’re starting to believe your own lies.

  14. Anonymous
    March 6, 2011 at 9:58 am

    running smear ads

    You refer to the overly stupid smear ad that a candidate created to attack himself so he could use it as evidence to say his opponent was slimy. There’s only one political consultant slimy enough to lie like that. And it worked. Bravo again, progressives. Your deviousness knows no bottom.

  15. Voter
    March 6, 2011 at 10:02 am

    it is truly Orwellian for the Eureka City Council to call for more public input. Remember what happened with the Headwaters grant for a public process for the future of the Balloon Track?

  16. Anon
    March 6, 2011 at 10:03 am

    I doubt the “developers” were invited to the closed session. It was probably only the Council discussing what would be best for this site and then it will be brought forward to an open session for discussion.

  17. Ben
    March 6, 2011 at 10:06 am

    What an election does is either keep the status quo, when the incumbants are reelected, or change things, when the incumbands loose. In this case, the imcumbants lost (big time)and therefore there is change. So are all of you complaining that Obama is not doing what Bush did? Bet not.
    By the way, Clendennon was elected with only 38% and I do not hear on this blog that he has no mandate, or does that only apply to those who you oppose?

  18. Plain Jane
    March 6, 2011 at 10:15 am

    Who ever said Clendenen has a mandate, Ben? What exactly is Obama not doing that Bush did? Obama made very tepid attempts to fulfill his campaign promises, but even what he was able to do was very much watered down from what he promised. GITMO is still open, tax rates the same, 2 wars still sucking billions daily, mandatory payments to private insurance but no public option, Patriot Act still in place, invasive as ever, recovery still a dream for all but those at the very top. Am I missing anything?

  19. Anonymous
    March 6, 2011 at 10:17 am

    Yes, the rule only applies to people you oppose. It’s one of many double-standards progressives embrace. Their fake outrage gets tiring at times. I don’t doubt that they feel outraged, but it’s an absurd, childish, nonsensical outrage that everyone else can’t help but roll their eyes at. Grow up.

  20. Plain Jane
    March 6, 2011 at 10:23 am

    You’re right, righties. That’s why you never accused Obama of “ramming through health care reform” against the will of the people, apparently ignoring the fact that he was elected by a majority on a platform which included a public option. Same for tax increases on the wealthy. Bait and switch is a time honored tactic of a certain type of businessman as is accusing others of it even when it is demonstrably not the case.

  21. "JG"
    March 6, 2011 at 10:33 am

    bumper sticker now that’s original. I saw the same idea used when Kerrigan defeated Bohn. “Don’t blame me I voted for Rex”. Proudly voted for Rex.

  22. Goldie
    March 6, 2011 at 10:34 am

    These council members, while campaigning talked of jobs and bringing business here and fueling the economic situation. I have seen nothing that resembles their promises.
    At the last city council meeting a group proposed a plan that would build an Olympic size swimming pool which would bring lots of people to our town and be able to operate at a profit. It would be the only Olympic sized pool between San Francisco and Oregon.
    Jefferson school project with city cooperation would also create jobs and operate at a profit. But the council only shows this project in a slanted and bad light.
    Eureka has amazingly intelligent and creative citizens. I do hope the council will turn their attention to helping them bring their projects to life.

  23. Bumper Sticker
    March 6, 2011 at 10:35 am

    The idea was first used as “don’t blame me I voted for Rex”. We proudly voted for Rex as Kerrigan did nothing but cause problems for this community.

  24. Plain Jane
    March 6, 2011 at 10:40 am

    Only Newman said anything against the city buying Jefferson during his campaign and his opponents, both proponents of the Jefferson purchase, received more votes than he did. Reversing a previous council decision is a big deal, especially when people didn’t know that was a possibility when they voted.

  25. Goldie
    March 6, 2011 at 11:01 am

    They are there to represent the people. If they think they have become small kings it is up to the people to remind them. This process does not stop with the casting of a vote. There have to be many folks who are upset at the amount of work and dollars they are wasting by undoing work that has already been done and not paying effective attention to current needs… JOBS… and the ECONOMY, oh, and FACTS.
    Their direction and lack of attention is not going to change until we remind them in a way that can not be ignored.
    There seems to be a GOP copy cat process here. First they express ‘concern’ then apply a ‘stall’ then go in for the ‘kill’.
    The Medical Marijuana Dispensaries process is being lined up for the kill, kill by stalling. Should they refuse to allow the applicants to go to the next step, the Planning Commission, it will be step 2 of the known GOP tactic, the stall before the Kill.

  26. THe Challenger
    March 6, 2011 at 11:13 am

    All of you — what makes you believe that the people of Eureka — in general, not just westside or on this blog — really give a damn about what happen in the city council sandbox?

    It may just be that the great majority of Eurekans (i.e, the non-political ones) just don’t care. They have more pressing concerns, like meeting rent/mortgages and putting food on the table.

  27. Plain Jane
    March 6, 2011 at 11:22 am

    People are starting to notice that their pressing concerns are impacted in political sandboxes, 11:13. They are awakening from their consumption-induced stupor due to the fact that their ability to consume has been reduced and in real danger of being further reduced. What’s happening in Wisconsin is just the beginning.

  28. High Finance
    March 6, 2011 at 11:32 am

    Listening to the liberals here gladdens my heart.

    Because it is apparent that you people have learned nothing by your debacle last November 2nd. Having learned nothing you are doomed to repeat it.

    All your noise to the contrary, the majority of Eurekans are applauding the new direction and the new backbone of the city council.

  29. Goldie
    March 6, 2011 at 11:34 am

    We shall see.

  30. Plain Jane
    March 6, 2011 at 11:35 am

    Poor HiFi needs to check some news besides Fox, check Rasmussen polls. The gig is up, toadies.

  31. Plain Jane
    March 6, 2011 at 11:35 am

    *jig is up

  32. funnygirl
    March 6, 2011 at 12:00 pm

    They might be awakening to the fact that the self employed pay for their own health insurance and public employees much better health insurance that includes dental and vision with no or low deductables. They might be awakening to the fact that they get to pay for their pension plan (if there is any money left after taxes) and pay for the public employee’s pension. They might be awakening to the fact that they cannot choose to retire early at a reduced pension, or even have a decent pension but public employees can and do retire as early as 50. The people might be getting pissed off. Just a thought.

  33. Plain Jane
    March 6, 2011 at 12:13 pm

    Funnygirl needs to read the polls as well. The alarm went off in Wisconsin and it rang loud and clear across the country. Teapartiers need to take out their ear plugs and pay attention to the facts rather than the propaganda they are hearing from Fox and friends.

  34. funnygirl
    March 6, 2011 at 12:16 pm

    I’m just saying – the polls may not be aware of the anger that business owners and the self-employed have regarding the overly generous benefits paid to public employees. Sidney Olsen just retired from the City of Eureka at 50. I just heard from a fellow who stated that his mother, a teacher, took an early retirement at reduced benefits and will only get $40,000 per year. When you hear that, it just not only doesn’t seem fair, it isn’t fair. This debate is just getting started because of all those who are as yet uninformed.

  35. tra
    March 6, 2011 at 12:20 pm

    funnygirl,

    Yes, lots of people have noticed how union workers, both public and private, are able to negotiate better pay, health benefits, retirement plans, and working conditions than those who aren’t represented by a union.

    Some folks respond to that fact by seeking to end collective bargaining and thereby destroy the unions so that these employees can be forced to work for crappier pay, fewer benefits, and less say over job conditions. In other words, the “misery loves company” approach.

    Others respond to that fact by supporting collective bargaining as a bulwark of the middle class, acting in solidarity with the union workers and demanding fair pay, benefits and working conditions for all workers, whether they are in a union or not. In other words the “united we stand” approach.

    (In Wisconsin, Gov. Walker was banking on the hope that most voters would be jealous of the public employees and happy to see them under attack, but numerous polls show public opinion continues to move in the other direction, especially among unaffiiated voters).

  36. Plain Jane
    March 6, 2011 at 12:24 pm

    Was it fair that the CEOs and other executives who crashed our economy and got bail outs still got their bonuses because “a contract is a contract,” Funnygirl? If the pay is too high, which is arguable, or their benefits too sweet, then the place to resolve those issues is over a negotiating table where they were gained, not legislating their rights to negotiate away. The deceit and hypocrisy of cutting taxes and then demanding the working and middle class give up their rights to organize and negotiate to pay for those tax cuts for the already wealthy is what has people so angry. Holding hostage every scrap that benefits the poor for more tax cuts – again for the rich. Concentration of wealth is bad for our economy and for our democracy.

  37. funnygirl
    March 6, 2011 at 12:28 pm

    The problem with collective bargining (federal employees do not have that right) is that the teacher’s union, the prison guard union, etc., receive mandated union dues which are then funneled to the Democrats who then, it seems, pay back the unions with overly generous benefits. The unions can orchestrate a “get out the vote” campaign in a tight election. You have to remember that the private sector does not get paid holidays, paid vacations, paid sick days. Just saying.

  38. funnygirl
    March 6, 2011 at 12:33 pm

    Hey, tax the rich. I don’t care. But really take a look at where the unfunded pension benefits are going just in California. It is unsustainable. It needs to be addressed. Jerry Brown isn’t going to do that. Arnold tried to address it and was shot down by the Democrat majority. It is not a Democrat or a Rebublican issue. It is a fiscal issue. Do you really want to pay more in taxes when CalPers cannot meet its obligations? It is now, thanks to legislative action, a part of the California constitution that the taxpayers will bail out CalPers. And how is that different from bailing out anyone, banks, AIG, whatever. None of it is right. China is now going to spend more on infrastructure, schools, housing, etc than on its defense budget because they do not what to face an uprising like Egypt.

  39. Walt
    March 6, 2011 at 12:35 pm

    So if the unions would only wet the Republicans’ beaks too this could all be settled amicably.

  40. High Finance
    March 6, 2011 at 12:39 pm

    Gee PJ, I was not aware that Fox News covered Eureka or that Rasmussen has ever conducted a poll in Eureka.

    An ever increasing number of the general public are becoming aware that when government employee unions contribute hundreds of millions of dollars every campaign cycle to politicians they are buying influence.

    They are also becoming aware that when the unions sit down at the bargaining table the unions are then sitting on both sides of the table. The unions and the politicians are congratulating each other while they both screw the taxpayers.

    Anyone want to hazard a guess as to what percentage of the employees salary that Humboldt County gives each year to the employees pension fund ?

  41. Anonymous
    March 6, 2011 at 12:43 pm

    Speaking of Newman. He is the most inarticulate council person yet. It is painful to watch him trying to pronounce even a simple word. He got the council seat by default.

  42. Plain Jane
    March 6, 2011 at 12:47 pm

    We elect the negotiators. People with an interest in the policies those elected will carry out donate. The Chamber of Commerce donates to those who will do what they want, unions too, and we, the taxpayers as well. The attempt to gut the ability for working class people, union and non-union, to have a voice in the political process is what has people all across the country so upset. Propaganda aimed at creating envy of those rich middle class workers is absurd, but some people fall for it.

  43. High Fiananze
    March 6, 2011 at 12:57 pm

    Finally some sanity, thanks Funny Girl, 12:16!

    As I’ve always repeated, class-envy is ugly!

    Unless it serves to antagonize and divide working-class voters who must pay their own pensions and health plans….from working-class public employees who pay less.

    Divide and conquer, (sometimes you’ve gotta love the haters!).

    I get tears of joy every time I think of how our free market has enabled our best and brightest patriotic corporations the efficiency in redistributing public wealth to themselves, if I got multi-billions in bailouts, I’d open my next factory in Vietnam too!

    Don’t punish “doers” like Microsoft for being innovative.

    If the public wants to benefit from its own wealth, it should have to work for it!

    With love,

    HF

  44. tra
    March 6, 2011 at 12:57 pm

    I’m not usually a fan of the Huffington Post (too glitzy, pop-culture oriented, too predictable in their political content) but they do have a useful summary of some of the recent polling on the Wisconsin struggle:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/04/wpri-poll-wisconsin-wants_n_831652.html

    Basically, both the Republican-friendly pollster Rasmussen, and a poll commissioned by a “free-market think tank” called Wisconsin Policy Research Institute (WPRI) show Walker with unfavorable ratings from a sizeable majority of voters. These two polls actually showed slightly higher unfavorables for Walker than a pair of polls commissioned by the AFL-CIO.

    The most recent of the polls was by WPRI, and showed that 43% of respondents approved of Walker’s job performance, while 54% disapproved.

    Meanwhile, in the same poll, public employee unions received a 59% favorable rating, compared with a 34% unfavorable rating. Dems in the state legislature got a favorable/unfavorable rating of 50/42, Rpeublicans 46/46.

  45. tra
    March 6, 2011 at 12:58 pm

    Not quite working out as planned for Walker and his allies. Unless their plan was to completely polarize the electorate, while driving unaffiliated voters into the arms of the Democrats.

    In the WPRI survey, Dems gave Walker a favorable/unfavorable rating of 8/91, Reps gave him pretty much the opposite at 90/10, and unaffiliated voters gave him 41/57. 69% of unaffiliated voters, and 65% of voters overall, said that Walker should compromise with the unions. Even among Republicans, about a quarter said he should “compromise” as opposed to “stand strong.” (And this despite the negative connotation of the word “compromise,” and the positive connotation of the phrase “stand strong.”)

    At this point, Walker and his allies are flailing. Pressing forward with their attacks on the unions would be disasterous for their electoral chances, which hinge on their ability to swing unaffiliated voters their way. Yet to retreat now could also be problematic, as Walker’s Republican base is strongly in favor of his anti-union proposals. However, the fact that nearly a quarter of the Republicans polled thought he should “compromise” rather than “stand strong” suggests that even his Republican supporters are seeing the handwriting on the wall, and are looking for a way out.

  46. Anonymous
    March 6, 2011 at 12:59 pm

    “Finally some sanity, thanks Funny Girl, 12:16!

    As I’ve always repeated, class-envy is ugly!”

    Didn’t funnygirl just tell us of how envious she/he is of public worker’s pentions?

  47. Plain Jane
    March 6, 2011 at 1:09 pm

    HiFi is envious of them too! He admires corporations who can use their economic power to increase their wealth from the public coffers, but despises working class people who want to use their right to organize and the power of their numbers to increase their wealth from the corporate or public coffers.

  48. Plain Jane
    March 6, 2011 at 1:12 pm

    The little people should be restricted by law from making demands because all power rightly belongs to the rich.

  49. Plain Jane
    March 6, 2011 at 1:17 pm

    Taking money out of the pockets of the middle class, who spend it, to give more tax cuts to the rich, who save it, makes no sense if you are trying to create jobs. Putting more people in financial jeopardy, regardless of where they work, by cutting their wages and benefits is not only heartless, it is sociopathic. We have the lowest tax rates in modern history, corporations and the rich are making more money than ever and the middle class is disappearing. How that bodes for a healthy economy is a mystery.

  50. tra
    March 6, 2011 at 1:21 pm

    funnygirl said: “You have to remember that the private sector does not get paid holidays, paid vacations, paid sick days. Just saying.”

    Well that’s not quite true. Some private sector employees do get paid holidays, paid vacations, paid sick days, etc. Certainly management-level folks usually do, and these benefits are usually quite generous compared to what lower-level employees — union or non-union — receive. Among non-management private-sector employees, workers who belong to a union and have a contract certainly do get better benefits, on average, than those who don’t.

    Unions increase the bargaining power of workers relative to their employer. Understandably many employers aren’t crazy about that, but unfortunately for them, most people believe that, especially when dealing with huge corporate employers, employees do need greater leverage in negotiating the terms of their employment. And many people recognize that by winning higher pay for union members, unions provide upward pressure in wages and benefits, even for those (the majority of us) who don’t belong to a union.

  51. March 6, 2011 at 1:31 pm

    Funnygirl said: “You have to remember that the private sector does not get paid holidays, paid vacations, paid sick days. Just saying.”

    I work in radio which isn’t known for good pay or benefits. I have paid holidays, vacations, sick days, even a 401K that the company doesn’t match. We also have health insurance. Where the heck to you work, Walmart?

  52. Plain Jane
    March 6, 2011 at 1:32 pm

    I have to add that as someone who always worked in the private sector, for many years as an employee of a small, local corporation, I had great wages and benefits, 100% employer paid pension, health insurance, paid vacations, holidays and weekends off, and bonuses. Tax cuts which enabled owners to keep more profit at lower cost ate into those benefits. Rising health care costs resulted in co-pays and reduced coverage. Wages stagnated. Pension contributions were cut. The owners made more and the employees made less. Multiply that by millions of work places across the country and you might get a clue of what happened to our economy.

  53. March 6, 2011 at 1:33 pm

    Gosh, I just figured out why my company isn’t unionized!

    Companies that have unions usually deserve them.

  54. tra
    March 6, 2011 at 1:34 pm

    This whole “class envy” line that’s being peddled just cracks me up. Apparently, “class envy” is ugly, but “intra-class envy” is to be exploited at every turn.

    This is captured well in the joke that’s making the rounds in various forms:

    Governor Walker and a CEO are sitting at a table with a tea partier and a public employee. There are a dozen cookies on a plate in the center. Walker grabs 11 of them, hands them to the CEO, who hands a couple back to Walker. Walker turns to the tea partier and says “better keep your eye on that public employee, he’s fixin’ to steal your cookie!”

  55. Plain Jane
    March 6, 2011 at 1:54 pm

    Yeah, Tom. We didn’t need to unionized since we were getting all the union bennies without having to pay dues or upset our employer whose biggest competitor for labor was the public sector.

  56. funnygirl
    March 6, 2011 at 2:04 pm

    I own my own business. I get to pay for everything. I am not jealous of anyone’s life, benefits, salaries, pensions ,etc. After all, living well is the best revenge. I just don’t want to pay for mine and theirs too. That is what is not fair. Paid holidays, good for you. The private sector figures out how to retain employees. They pay into all the benefits. Good for them. That is not the issue for me. It is the unfunded portion of CalPers. I do not want to pay into CalPers when it goes belly up. Neither should you.

  57. Right to work
    March 6, 2011 at 2:16 pm

    Unions are wrong because they deny others the right to work. Men and women should not have to join a union to get a job. Some people are morally opposed to joining a group of covetous thieves. On top of that they lock out the majority of qualified applicants from the “best” jobs through their control of complete job sectors and employers, such as government.

    That is why unions are evil. They force their way onto every person and institution they are able too, by force. That is not freedom and it discriminates against the poorer classes.

    That said, I am not justifying abuse of employees or control of labor markets by small groups of men or corporations like in communist and third world factories. The error of the “other” side is that they do not break up these collusion’s of men and corporations that seek to control labor markets and prices. Democrat or Republican, they are not enforcing antitrust (anticorporation) laws such as they were intended to be enforced to keep our country free and prosperous.

    So we have a battle. Poorer classes forming alliances (unions) to demand their way against the small groups of men and corporations that seek to control labor markets and greedily try to amass huge fortunes.

    Both groups are going to burn in hell fire if they don’t repent, they have caused great harm to their fellow men, and it’s going to be a horrible road on the way to destruction.

  58. tra
    March 6, 2011 at 2:24 pm

    If we want quality teachers, nurses, firefighters, and so on, we have to provide good compensation. It’s really that simple. Note that Wisconsin, with its collective bargaining and relatively good pay and benefits for teachers, is number two out of 50 states for student performance. The handful of states that ban collective bargaining for teachers all rank among the lowest for student performance.

    It’s funny how the same people that will be quick to defend management and executive compensation on the grounds of “you get what you pay for” — in other words if you want quality employees you have to be willing to pay for quality employees — somehow fail to apply that logic to rest of the labor market.

  59. March 6, 2011 at 2:25 pm

    Why employee pensions aren’t bankrupting states.

    http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2011/03/06/109649/why-employee-pensions-arent-bankrupting.html#ixzz1FrL3maYW

    A little knowledge on this subject would go a long way in this discussion.

  60. Plain Jane
    March 6, 2011 at 2:29 pm

    We ALL pay for ours and theirs too regardless if they are public or private. You pay for the wages and benefits of the checker at Safeway, the receptionist at the doctor’s office, the bank clerk, the guy who reads your meter, fixes your phone, maintains your vital records, protects your property, etc. As a business owner you should understand that when your customers have a decline in income, so will you eventually. Cutting the wage / benefits of public workers means a spiral of decreased spending and lower wages in the private sector. Good luck with that.

  61. Plain Jane
    March 6, 2011 at 2:34 pm

    Are you advocating reneging on the contracts the state made to public employees, Funnygirl? New contracts can be negotiated for future wages and benefits, but “a contract is a contract.” They can’t be unilaterally, retroactively voided.

  62. March 6, 2011 at 2:44 pm

    Plain Jane, I agree with you. In a dictatorship contracts don’t mean anything. In a republic where there is rule by law, a contract is a contract. If contracts can just be broken in this republic then we should be able to renegotiate our credit cards and mortgages. We cant.

    One has to ask, are we still a republic ruled by law?

  63. Plain Jane
    March 6, 2011 at 2:57 pm

    And, Funnygirl, your customers are who pay your wages, benefits and retirement as well.

  64. tra
    March 6, 2011 at 3:03 pm

    In the case of Wisconsin, the public employees unions have already agreed to all of the wage and benefit cuts contained in Walker’s budget plan. But agreeing to change the terms of the contracts wasn’t good enough, Walker and his allies want to gut collective bargaining right, preventing public employees from being able to negotiate for better wages or benefits in the future.

    Walker’s proposal wouldn’t allow collective bargaining over benefits at all, and would only allow workers to bargain for wage increases that are below inflation. In other words, you can bargain about how fast your standard of living will fall, but with no chance of it going the other way, even in sunnier economic times.

    That will result in many of the best, most qualified, most experienced workers leaving their public sector jobs to work in the private sector, and it will also dissuade many of the best-quality workers from applying for public sector jobs in the first place, forcing the state to hire more less-experienced, less-qualified people who have poorer private-sector prospects. The thing is, it’s all one labor market and supply-and-demand does operate.

    Of course for some folks, they’re perfectly happy to skimp on teachers, nurses and firefighters, because obviously those jobs aren’t important, like, say, the people who made billions cooking up the credit-default-swaps and bundled junk mortages, and other crucial “financial products” without with we surely could never survive.

  65. Plain June aka High Finance
    March 6, 2011 at 3:11 pm

    You bet the private sector gets vacations & sick leave, retirement too!

    Vacations; private sector two weeks. Public two weeks, three weeks after five years, four weeks after 10.

    Paid sick days; private sector five days. Government employees ten days and their unused sick days accumulate.

    Paid Holidays; Most private sector get 7 days. Gov’t employees typically get 11 or 12.

    Retirement; private sector gets maybe $1,500 a month at age 66 less if they retire at 62, nothing if before. Government people get somewhere between 60-80% of their last pay at age 55. Many get that at age 50. And the private sector people have to PAY INTO THEIR OWN RETIREMENTS. Gov’t employees DO NOT!

    There is a reason the unions spend hundreds of millions of dollars every campaign season. All of you not working for the government are getting screwed by those of you posters who do.

  66. Plain Jane
    March 6, 2011 at 3:13 pm

    Their desired end is, of course, all the currently public services being privatized so someone can make a profit on the taxpayer dime for lower priced labor. It goes without saying, but I’ll say it anyway..less experienced / qualified employees are more likely to result in dissatisfied “customers” and make privatization desirable. A major cause of graft is low wages in the public sector in the third world.

  67. Plain Jane
    March 6, 2011 at 3:14 pm

    The “Plain Jane” at 3:11 is not me.

  68. High Finance
    March 6, 2011 at 3:14 pm

    Tra, you are usually more honest than your last post.

    The Wisconsin unions only agreed to the Governor’s dollar demands for a term of only one year.

    It’s peanuts meant to fool those who don’t think or read beyond the headline.

    And as you said, the Governor is not trying to take away all bargaining rights, just the benefits & limits the dollar bargaining rights.

  69. High Finance
    March 6, 2011 at 3:15 pm

    3.11 is not Plain “June”, Plain Jane.

    Heraldo said it was OK because the wording is different and your avatar does not show up.

  70. March 6, 2011 at 3:26 pm

    HiFi needs a babysitter.

  71. Plain Jane
    March 6, 2011 at 3:28 pm

    Limits the bargaining rights raises BELOW INFLATION and does not allow them to bargain on other benefits. So what can they really negotiate? Like Tra said, “you can bargain about how fast your standard of living will fall,” and it is legislated that it WILL fall – forever.

  72. tra
    March 6, 2011 at 3:29 pm

    “just the benefits and limits the dollar bargaining rights”

    Oh, is that all? “just” the benefits, and “just” limiting wage negotiation to how quickly the wages will fall behind inflation. Gee, what are they so worked up about? “Let them eat cake,” right?

    This kind of arrogance is exactly why Walker and his allies are losing ground with the public. Most people may not be a teacher, nurse or other public employee, but most of us DO know someone who is, and no, most of us don’t think those people are overpaid. At all.

  73. Plain Jane
    March 6, 2011 at 3:38 pm

    Either there is collective amnesia on the right or they are willfully deceitful. They have forgotten that working class wages started to decline when tax rates were cut for the wealthy. They have forgotten that declining wages led to increased personal debt and a housing / financial bubble that nearly collapsed the global economy. They have forgotten that the very people who benefited most from the tax cuts, the debt bubble, the collapse and bail out are the very people who are now whining about those middle class rich people who are receiving what they fairly bargained for, demanding that they give up their gains and lose any ability to regain them to pay for more tax cuts for themselves, essentially a wage cap that guarantees always lower wages relative to inflation and having to pay more for their benefits as well. What a deal!

  74. tra
    March 6, 2011 at 3:47 pm

    HiFi said: “The Wisconsin unions only agreed to the Governor’s dollar demands for a term of one year.”

    The Governor’s own proposal requires that contracts be limited to no more than one year. Are the public employees supposed to all get together and make a public “pinky promise” about future years, or something like that?

    Perhaps you were not aware of the fact that it is Walker who is demanding a one-year maximum on the length of contracts…or should I help myself to the assumption that you knew this, but were being “dishonest?” (Apparently such assumptions are all the rage around here.)

    “peanuts”

    You’re totally out of touch if you think a year’s worth of pay cuts and slashed benefits is “peanuts” to the actual workers and the families and communities those workers help support. More “let them eat cake” arrogance.

  75. Steak n Eggs
    March 6, 2011 at 3:57 pm

    Tra, I really don’t think Walker cares about public sentiment. This is less about politics and more about a guy who doesn’t seem to care about backing down. Even if its political suicide.

  76. tra
    March 6, 2011 at 4:01 pm

    PJ,

    To be fair, Walker’s proposal does contain a provision that would allow a wage increases higher than inflation, but it would take a statewide referendum to approve it. By the way, beyond trying to make unions useless by not allowing them to bargain for anything that workers actually need, there are several other classic union-busting provisions in Walker’s proposal, see below.

    I think Walker’s proposal was summarized concisely and, I think, pretty fairly, by one of the questions in the WPRI poll:

    “As you may know, Governor Scott Walker recently announced a plan that would require public employees to contribute to their own pensions and pay greater amounts for their health insurance, which would, in effect, be a pay reduction. The plan would permit most public employees to negotiate only their wages, and future wage increases above the rate of inflation would have to be approved by a voter referendum. Contracts would be limited to one year. In addition, Walker’s plan also changes rules to require public employee unions to take annual votes to maintain certification as a union, stops state or local government from collecting union dues, and allows individual members to decide if they wish to pay union dues. Unions for law enforcement and firefighters would be exempt from the changes.

    Do you favor or oppose Governor Walker’s plan?”

    The result: Favor 46%, Oppose 51%.

    http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/03/another-poll-wisconsinites-disapprove-of-walker-want-him-to-compromise.php?ref=fpblg

  77. tra
    March 6, 2011 at 4:15 pm

    You might be right, Steak & Eggs, but it’s really up to the Republican State Senators as far as how far they’re willing to follow someone as (stubborn? crasy? stupid? corrupt?) as Walker. All it takes is for 3 Republican State Senators to decide they’d rather negotiate with their Democratic colleagues than keep bailing our Walker’s leaky boat.

    Of course for many of those Republican State Senators, they’re in “safe” Republican districts where many of their constituents are probably on Walker’s side. But a few of those republican Senators are in much more closely-contested districts, and you know that they and their advisors will be looking at these poll numbers, especially the numbers about which way unaffiliated voters are breaking on this issue. A few won by only a few hundred votes, and unlike the Governor, people don’t have to wait a year to force a recall election. When you won by just a couple hundred votes, and public opinion has swung so far among unaffiliated voters, a succesful recall campaign is a very real possibility, and these guys are smart enough to know it.

    I’ve seen what seem to be confirmed reports that there are already at least 4 Republican Senators who are “wavering” and considering coming out against Walker’s collective bargaining proposals. Once three Republicans officially jump ship, the Democratic Senators will return from Illinois, and the legislature can get back to legislating.

    If the Governor wants to then veto the budget, that’s up to him, but it will only get worse for him if he’s seen as standing in the way of a bipartisan compromise.

  78. tra
    March 6, 2011 at 4:17 pm

    In other words, they can throw the drowning Governor a rope, but if he decides to use it to hang himself from the dock, well that’s his decision.

  79. Anonymous
    March 6, 2011 at 4:46 pm

    HiFi at 311. You are just plain wrong on many of your statements.
    I’m a government worker.
    1. I pay into my retirement every month. I also will not receive social security even though I paid into it years ago in my private sector job – the state views that as “double dipping”.
    2. I’d be a fool to retire at 55 even though it is allowed. The only way it would make sense is if I began my government job at 20 and put in 30+ years. Most government workers will not get the percent you cite until they are 60+ (with the exception of the perhaps the military).
    3. My friend works for a large private corporation and gets 4 (or is it 5) weeks of vacation a year.
    4. I’ve worked in the same profession in both the public and private sector and I made more in the private sector, and I got MUCH more in per-diem and travel expenses. I get more satisfaction in the public sector because I spend more time helping people than making a profit from their problems.

    Just so you know, I saw more waste in the private sector, but it was passed onto the client/customer. In contrast, I’ve never seen a group squeeze more out of $100 than teachers trying to make supplies last. They usually spend out of their pocket.
    Let stop the myth of the lazy overpaid public employee.
    Most people work hard in both the private and public sector. There are lazy people and opportunists, but they are NOT the norm and they exist in both worlds. I’ve seen it first hand.

  80. High Fiananze
    March 6, 2011 at 4:58 pm

    I understand why I’m being mocked and the others are not. Yes, my conceit is no small matter.

    I will try and be more responsive to the thousand pound elephants in the room that tend to make my comments hypocritical:

    The bailouts, and litany of other public subsidies to industry used to export high skilled jobs;

    Exploiting U.S. jobs to foreign child-labor;

    Offshore tax havens;

    U.S. tax rates of 90% for 20 years following WWII and the good public education this provided me, (I’ve argued that there were more exemptions then, but there’s no proof, and the last time I looked the tax code is even bigger);

    Polluting foreign nations far beyond domestic standards;

    Local developer’s perceived right to use the public’s infrastructure to maximize personal profit…beyond infrastructure capacity…

    Newman, like Brady, campaigned on supporting another big box on Humboldt Bay…Newman was asked at his campaign booth at Arts Alive in Eureka what he thought about the Bay Area Economics report of 1999, (concluding that Eureka was already saturated in national retailers back then):

    His response?

    “I never heard of it”.

    I wish I hadn’t either, it interferes with my opposing economic studies that don’t exist.

  81. Owltotem
    March 6, 2011 at 5:26 pm

    Loraine Parnell is My Hero!

    Mr. Newman said at city council, out loud, “now that we have had a change in elected officials, we might be able to actually sit down and get some problems solved”(regarding the general plan and an advisory committee, suggesting the advisory committee would be “we”). I had to lean back from my TV and say ” did he actually say that out loud?” He actually copped to the fact that they planned to stack the advisory committee (again) with their folk to get their way.

    And listen Newman, if not for Xandra Manns stupidity you would be at home licking YOUR wounds and atleast there would be 2 voices of reason on council.

    I want to have an air horn in the audience for every time Newman or Brady shove their feet in their mouths. How bout it Eurekans, Air Horns For All!!!!!

    And By the Way Where do I get my Sticker?

    Drums in the Jungle Jane, Drums in the Jungle!!!!!

  82. funnygirl
    March 6, 2011 at 5:30 pm

    Let me clear up something. I have a brother-in law who worked in the private sector and has a pension. Good for him. He then went to work for HSU for a little over 5 years and gets a pension. Fine with me. He also gets health care for LIFE. Paid by the taxpayers. Doesn’t matter if he lives to 100. Then he also collects Social Security Disability to the tune of $3500 a month. He figured out the system and took advantage of what he could collect. He is 62. SSI disability goes away at 65. Nothing illegal with all of that, but WTF? Working the system for personal gain. What, I have to ask, I’m I getting for my money from all the early retirees whether they are teachers, firefighters, police, CalTrans, county workers, city workers – what are they doing for me in their golden years? How long do I have to keep paying for services no longer received? A teacher in Wisconsin stated that she makes $70,000 a year. She doesn’t work for 2 and a half months. How many folks get that sweet deal? Overpaid? Yes.

  83. funnygirl
    March 6, 2011 at 5:33 pm

    Collective bargining got the public sector employees the right to retire as early as 50. They can then get another job with the government and still collect the retirement money. I ask again, what do I get for my money from that deal? They can retire at 65 like the public sector, or early at 62.

  84. Anonymous
    March 6, 2011 at 5:48 pm

    If anyone from another city were to see our city council now they would not think much of our city. With members like Newman one can see why this city is called EUFREAKA and is such a mess. Is this the caliber of person that serves as a leader in the Chamber of Commerce? I predict Eureka will never be prosperous and a destination for new residents, business or tourism.

  85. Anonymous
    March 6, 2011 at 6:19 pm

    Sour grapes Larry?

  86. pto
    March 6, 2011 at 6:35 pm

    As a “customer” of government, I’m generally dissatisfied. Where is my alternative?

  87. Owltotem
    March 6, 2011 at 6:42 pm

    Again, Mike Newman was not Elected by the People, Xandra Manns fell victim to Susan Brandenburg who had a grudge against Ron Kuhnel over the cell tower.
    Even Xandras Greens tried to coax her to drop out. She was ill advised, gullible and trusted Susan (is she still your buddy Xan or did she use you?).

    Now we all pay by having to be governed by Snidly Whiplash himself and the creep actually has a vote. Anyone (including you Newman) who believes that Mike Newman represents the majority of Eurekans, take a poll! He’s a troll!

    And where do I get my STICKER!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  88. Anonymous
    March 6, 2011 at 6:53 pm

    Snidely Whiplash! I knew he looked familiar. A cartoon turned into a horror story.

  89. funnygirl
    March 6, 2011 at 7:04 pm

    Newman was elected. Get over it.

  90. Anonymous
    March 6, 2011 at 7:07 pm

    Newman should show some respect for the city of Eureka and get elocution lessons. If he does not have the intelligence to see this shortcoming of his then someone close to him should advise him to do so.

  91. Anonymous
    March 6, 2011 at 7:09 pm

    Sorry to tell you this but Xandra was a spoiler.

  92. Anonymous
    March 6, 2011 at 7:13 pm

    Intentionally a spoiler?

  93. Owltotem
    March 6, 2011 at 7:13 pm

    Electrocution, Yeah, I like that better than air horns, shock collars!

  94. Anonymous
    March 6, 2011 at 7:16 pm

    Who kidnapped Owl?

  95. Anonymous
    March 6, 2011 at 7:54 pm

    funnygirl – The top 400 wealthiest people are worth more than the bottom 155 million Americans and you think teachers get paid too much? Give me a break!

  96. March 6, 2011 at 8:05 pm

    Michael Moore’s rousing speech in Madison, WI mentions this ugly fact.

  97. Living In Eureka
    March 6, 2011 at 8:15 pm

    Hi guys,
    I see that the Old Grinch has made the News again!

    To all of you out there that just love the new bumper sticker showing up around town, a little birdie told me about them & I have mine! All the profits from the sale of these bumper stickers will go towards the next City Council election! Give Larry a call at The Works. He doesn’t have anything to do with them, but he knows who does!

    Linda Atkins is the only voice of reason this city has. No one on the Clown Council is listening right now. In two years we have another election. It won’t help us with Newman, Brandy, or Madsen, but it’s a start!

    PS: Newman & Brady,
    If you don’t stop undoing everything the last Council did, you’re not going to have the time to bring all those jobs into town……and I’m keeping count. Your honey moon is Soooo over & right now, it’s zero from the zeros!

  98. CalPerbaggers
    March 6, 2011 at 9:02 pm

    Call them “Calpetbaggers.” They’re the 200 local governmental entities fingered in last week’s Little Hoover Commission’s pension report that have defiantly increased public pension benefits since 2008 — in the face of a $240 billion shortfall in the 85 public pension systems in California.

    http://www.calwatchdog.com/2011/03/02/calpetbaggers-still-spiking-pensions/

  99. March 6, 2011 at 9:05 pm

    Some of these “Tea-Party” types are a lot like Al’Queda terrorist cells. They don’t get any overt orders from their leaders. They just know what to do:
    Repeat the lie, whatever it is.
    Attack the logic of the working person affected.
    Discredit, Discredit, Discredit!
    False analogy, Straw man, red-herring, Ad Hominem, Whatever works.
    They are on the side of the rich against the rest of us. they constantly defend and glorify the greediest men to ever walk the planet. They help to steal my own kid’s future and turn his generation into wage slaves for this new monarchy.
    At some point it gets hard to be polite.

  100. funnygirl
    March 6, 2011 at 9:23 pm

    CalPers current employees include the basketball coach at UCLA whose salary = $600,000. Dentists who work for the prisons = $400,000. There are a few doctors who teach at UCLA = $1,000,000 per year. Look it up online. The top 400 richest people got there by inheritance, luck and work. Whatever, I can’t control that. But plundering CalPers for personal gain sucks.

  101. funnygirl
    March 6, 2011 at 9:25 pm

    And making $70,000 per year while taking 10 weeks off is just stupid. Sorry, but that is overpaid. I have taught classes, it isn’t digging ditches or putting on a roof. You don’t ache after work.

  102. March 6, 2011 at 9:29 pm

    There are tons of air horns at the dollar trees in town right now…..

  103. Eric Kirk
    March 6, 2011 at 9:34 pm

    By the way, Clendennon was elected with only 38% and I do not hear on this blog that he has no mandate, or does that only apply to those who you oppose?

    Why does this 38 percent figure keep getting repeated? It was closer to 40 percent, which isn’t that big of a difference, but I wonder why the continuous pushing of the false percentage?

  104. Eric Kirk
    March 6, 2011 at 9:37 pm

    The idea was first used as “don’t blame me I voted for Rex”. We proudly voted for Rex as Kerrigan did nothing but cause problems for this community.

    Actually, it goes back to 1973 with the bumper sticker “Don’t blame me I’m from Massachusetts” in reference to the fact that the state was the only one which had voted for McGovern.

  105. Plain Jane
    March 6, 2011 at 9:53 pm

    No, Funny girl isn’t envious of public employees at all. She should know that many teachers further their educations, travel to seminars and for class material over the summer months. If people were paid more for back breaking work, farm workers would be the highest paid, strawberry pickers at the very top. Its odd for someone who claims to be a business owner to denigrate non-labor work, the education required, the mental stress, and long hours teachers put in. Their day doesn’t end when the kids leave school and they spend lots of weekends grading papers and writing reports.

  106. Owltotem
    March 6, 2011 at 9:59 pm

    air horn: $1

    note pad, voice activated tape recorder, friend with video phone: arrangeable

    the look on Tyson’s face as his best laid plans unravel: priceless!

    drums baby drums!

  107. Not A Native
    March 6, 2011 at 10:15 pm

    While I don’t want to write as an echo of Hi Fi, supply and demand are very important factors for the price(labor rate) of jobs. Roofing IS hard and dangerous but a lot more people are able and willing to do that work than to teach in a public school. Now, roofing a steeple requires specialized ability so theres a low supply of those roofers and it pays much better than low peaked roofing.

    And the requirement to have a credential also limits the number of qualified teachers versus roofers. Sweat and toil aren’t highly valued because there’s a large and easily gotten supply

  108. Anonymous
    March 6, 2011 at 10:33 pm

    yet CR routinely pays lecturers $100 a class with no benefits, no perks and often no education and no one complains (but of course they receive the same compensation for each student).

  109. Anonymous
    March 6, 2011 at 10:42 pm

    For Funnygirl:

    Are you sick of highly paid teachers?

    Teachers’ hefty salaries are driving up taxes, and they only work 9 or10 months a year! It’s time we put things in perspective and pay them for what they do – babysit! We can get that for less than minimum wage.
    That’s right. Let’s give them $3.00 an hour and only the hours they worked; not any of that silly planning time, or any time they spend before or after school. That would be $19.50 a day (7:45 to 3:00 PM with 45 min. off for lunch and plan– that equals 6 1/2 hours).
    Each parent should pay $19.50 a day for these teachers to baby-sit their children. Now how many students do they teach in a day…maybe 30? So that’s $19.50 x 30 = $585.00 a day.
    However, remember they only work 180 days a year!!! I am not going to pay them for any vacations.

    LET’S SEE…. That’s $585 X 180= $105,300 per year. (Hold on! My calculator needs new batteries).

    What about those special education teachers and the ones with Master’s degrees? Well, we could pay them minimum wage ($7.75), and just to be fair, round it off to $8.00 an hour. That would be $8 X 6 1/2 hours X 30 children X 180 days = $280,800 per year.

    Wait a minute — there’s something wrong here! There sure is! The average teacher’s salary (nation wide) is $50,000. $50,000/180 days= $277.77/per day/30 students=$9.25/6.5 hours = $1.42 per hour per student–a very inexpensive baby-sitter and they even EDUCATE your kids!) WHAT A DEAL!!!!

    Yes you are indeed a “funny” girl and your brother-in-law sounds like a sleaze ball. Are we really at the point of blaming someone with a degree, certificate, 10 or more years of experience and does one of the most important service jobs in our society? 50-70K is middle class these days. If you want crappy teachers and an uneducated populace then go ahead and make it a minimum wage, no benefits job.

  110. The Other Majority
    March 6, 2011 at 11:38 pm

    Imagine how disgusted “funny girl” would be if a school teacher took billions in bailouts and started teaching Vietnamese children how to make computer components.

    She’d pop.

  111. High Finanze
    March 6, 2011 at 11:49 pm

    Thanks for the link Heraldo.

    I’d forgotten how much Michael Moore hates America.

    I’m leaving for Madison now to tell working families how broke and weak America is and it’s mostly because American workers lost their positive attitude.

    See where all that negativity took Egypt, Libya, and Tunisia…!?

  112. Anonymous
    March 6, 2011 at 11:56 pm

    Great post Anon 10:42…even if a teacher is lucky enough to enjoy *reduced* class size, your point is well made!

  113. Anonymous
    March 7, 2011 at 1:10 am

    10:42 merely reposted a viral e-mail.

  114. Anonymous
    March 7, 2011 at 6:48 am

    Anon 1:10 – and your point is? It’s viral for a reason.

  115. Anonymous
    March 7, 2011 at 7:30 am

    10:42 they should open up a school then and get rich.

  116. In the Know
    March 7, 2011 at 8:39 am

    Are teachers underpaid? How much per hour do YOU make?

    Most teachers get at least $60,000 after 15 years and that doesn’t count their retirement and health care benefits which are worth another $18,000. They work 184 days at 7 hours per day. $70,000 divided by 1,288 hours equals over $46 per hour!

    If you add in the generous benefits its over $60 per hour.

  117. Anonymous
    March 7, 2011 at 8:54 am

    Only in an impoverished area like Humboldt County do we villanize a middle class worker making $60,000 per year. It’s not that much money in today’s economy for someone with a degree and work experience. I can understand that a lot of people reading and writing this blog don’t have much money, but do you spend as much time focusing on people who make over 250,000 and then get generous tax breaks.

    Anyone who has taught full-time for any significant period knows that 7 hours per day, 5 days per week for 9 month are not the hours of a teacher. They get up before dark, prepare and grade, come home at night and grade and prepare. They do the same on weekends and they spend a lot of their summer preparing for the next year. If you are not absolutely ready to go on the first day the students will eat you alive.

    Sure, have a discussion about how to measure good teachers and how to ensure that the public is getting their 50-60K worth, but please do not take out your economic angst on teachers. Most of them (the good ones) work way too hard and provide too important of a service to society to be treated like this. Of course we could have them vow a life poverty, put them in robes and then (maybe) you’d be happy. And how, exactly, do the rest of you make your money?

  118. March 7, 2011 at 10:29 am

    Plain Jane makes her first post on this thread around 7am on Sunday and makes many comments during the day, with the last at 10pm Sunday. You are one worthless piece, are you not. You wasted a whole day, on a Sunday for God’s sake, to spew your hatred. You need to get a life, or counciling. Too bad you didn’t use this energy to help your candidates.

  119. Random Guy
    March 7, 2011 at 10:42 am

    Ben, your understanding of the definition of “status quo” is skewed. The status quo is the video game you’re playing, not the one level you’re stuck on. By all accounts, the status quo won the last election. Using lots of money and every trick in the book, nonetheless. Don’t believe me? Look at what’s on their roster: shopping malls and apartment complexes. The status quo’s simcity government in action.

    The last election was especially disgusting. The entire population of Humboldt County is less than a third that of Oakland. When the candidates who are in office right now come out of their private compounds to grace us with their presence, they should be talking to us like we’re their neighbors. Instead, they were as vague and outright deceptive as possible. Take a look at their campaign websites, still chached, and see for yourself. They didn’t want people to know what they really had planned. They should be very ashamed of themselves, in the very fucking least. I say they should be run out of town.

    The real status quo’s mantra was “jobs and economy!”…and local candidates mirrored that rhetoric. They flip-flopped their political affiliations on paper, hid their backer’s agenda and ultimately LIED to everybody in Humboldt County. The status quo dug its heels in a little deeper. Local blog readership and active meeting perticipants are somewhat informed, the remaining 130,000 people in this county think Virginia Bass is an environmental democrat fulfilling wishlists for lower income residents.

    Sick sick sick…especially in such a relatively small and very isolated community. They’re not the types of personalities I want living in my community, if they can’t look us in the eye and tell us what’s really on their mind.

  120. Plain Jane
    March 7, 2011 at 10:43 am

    Richard Marks apparently thinks and types very slowly if he thinks I wasted a rainy day here. A few minutes here and there is all it takes to keep up for people of reasonable intellect, Richard. But someone who thinks defending public employees is spewing hatred obviously doesn’t qualify as having reasonable intellect. I probably made more money yesterday between posts than Richard made all week.

  121. March 7, 2011 at 11:39 am

    Plain Jane: 20% of the comments on this thread are you. Few of the posts are defending public employees. The rest are rants on the predictable: Arkley, Tea Party, Righties, Fox News, Chamber of Commerce blah blah blah. I see you are at it today. started at 6am and you are still going strong near noon. You do not have reasonable intellect. You keep proving that day after day on this public forum. Dolt!

  122. Plain Jane
    March 7, 2011 at 11:49 am

    So what, Richard? I happen to work at my computer, often 7 days a week, long hours, and if I want to pop in and out and post my opinions, what business is it of yours? You don’t like my posts, THEN DON’T FUCKING READ THEM you ignorant sycophant.

  123. Anonymous
    March 7, 2011 at 11:51 am

    Richard Marks: Defending his fellow Republicans while he’s on the public dole. When was the last time you worked to earn a day’s pay, Richard?

  124. Anonymous
    March 7, 2011 at 11:55 am

    Richard Marks is a joke! Political betrayal should have shamed you enough to not have such an inflated view of your own worth, but no one ever accused you of being wise.

  125. Plain Jane
    March 7, 2011 at 12:00 pm

    Richard can’t refute my points so he insults to shut me up. That might work with his wife, but he isn’t the big man on the blogs he thinks he is. No one gives a rats ass what such a weasel thinks.

  126. Anonymous
    March 7, 2011 at 12:03 pm

    Richard Marks is a good Republican.

  127. E. Percival Ne'er-do-well Esquire III
    March 7, 2011 at 2:13 pm

    What happened to the Richard Marks that was a union leader at the pulp mill? This can’t be the same Richard Marks that is disparaging Plane Jane for defending public workers unions. Would the real Richard Marks please stand up.

  128. Anonymous
    March 7, 2011 at 2:25 pm

    Richard Marks sold out to the Humboldt County Republican apparatus. It’s kind of baffling as to why. Maybe he thought his Republican friends would pay him. Maybe they did.

    Richard started his transformation in 2006 and completely joined the other side in the most recent election cycle, when he supported local Republicans over Democrats. It is sad.

  129. Anonymous
    March 7, 2011 at 2:26 pm

    I should also point out that the Democrats Marks opposed this past election cycle are pro-labor while the Republicans he supported are anti-labor.

  130. Anonymous
    March 7, 2011 at 2:37 pm

    Newman may have a big head but he has a little brain.

  131. Eric Kirk
    March 7, 2011 at 2:57 pm

    Actually, in the local context trade unions have always been “conservative.” Unions and environmentalists/smart growth advocates have always been at odds for obvious reasons. The divide is quite deep in San Francisco where the unions backed Frank Jordan for mayor. Jordan was a Democrat, but he appointed his Republican god daughter to the Board of Supervisors (the last registered Republican to hold elected office in San Francisco, and she was tossed out in 1994). Unions want jobs and often the enviro/smart growth interests conflict.

    That’s not to say that I agree with all of his agenda. But it doesn’t make him a Republican. In fact sometimes the green issue folk, often better off, are more prone to fiscal conservatism than their union antagonists.

    The local unions have backed the pro-development forces. I believe it’s short-sighted. But it’s not necessarily about “selling out.”

  132. Get Smart
    March 7, 2011 at 3:10 pm

    One thing that folks around the country (and globe) are figuring out is that “smart growth” or whatever you want to call it is actually good for jobs and good for the economy. Whether talking about new mixed-use developments, redevelopment or the subsequent revitalization of commercial districts, jobs are maintained (and are perhaps even more stable) through good planning and community design. Look at cities like Copenhagen, Denmark or Portland, Oregon – economically they are doing very well because people want to live there.

  133. Random Guy
    March 7, 2011 at 3:23 pm

    Get Smart, in Humboldt County, “mixed-use developments” means “Marina Center mega-villages”, “redevelopment” means “rezoning to accomodate density” and “subsequent revitalization of commercial districts” means “giving favors to developers and real estate interests”…that’s what our current local representatives and supervisors mean when they say those things.

    Before hearing what Denmark’s new middle class looks like, I want to hear what the people in their circumferencing sprawl have to say about how great things are in Denmark. Are they tearing down Denmark’s ghetto’s? What happened to the people that lived there? And if the ghettos are still there, who still lives in them? and why isn’t THEIR quality of life getting any better?

  134. Plain Jane
    March 7, 2011 at 3:25 pm

    I guess using the term “selling out” is only accurate if these conservative union members ever really believed in solidarity to improve working conditions and wages for the working classes. There are undoubtedly quite a few who are only in it for themselves, but what sort of union man supports people who want to abolish unions?

  135. Random Guy
    March 7, 2011 at 3:37 pm

    …my point, get smart, is that what’s on the table right now in Humboldt County is anything but “smart growth”. Our representative’s minds were made up before they got the job…they’re telling us “smart growth” happens to be their growth.

  136. E. Percival Ne'er-do-well Esquire III
    March 7, 2011 at 3:40 pm

    You are correct that the local trade unions are siding with the pro development crowd Erik. I think this is a serious mistake and will bite them in the ass. The pro development crowd is almost exclusively right wingers and will use anything they can (promising jobs, Humcpr, DINOS) to get their plants elected and once in office change everything to their benefit (aka the Eureka city council demanding a “citizen advisory board” for the general plan update). The local unions that backed these shills will be rewarded with jobs that go to non union contractors when these developers get their projects rubber stamped and continued efforts by the right to get rid of unions altogether.

  137. Not A Native
    March 7, 2011 at 3:42 pm

    C’mon Eric, you’re just an apologist. Being short sighted, taking an immediate small gain while giving up larger future benefits, is the very definition of selling out.

    Since much of your wisdom comes by way of pop culture, its time for you to watch ‘On the Waterfront’. Compared to Marks, Brando looks like a genius.

  138. Plain Jane
    March 7, 2011 at 3:47 pm

    What will prevailing wage be if there aren’t any unions? That’s something the non-union construction workers should think about.

  139. March 7, 2011 at 4:37 pm

    When it came right down to it – when local Labor around here made it 100% clear how they felt about a particular candidate – when they took the unprecedented step of holding a joint PRESS CONFERENCE to make their wishes known – supporting Charles Ollivier for Harbor Commissioner – they got to find out just how much their opinion mattered to the
    “progressives”/heraldo-ites.

    Oh sure, they go trotting their candidates to the Unions to secure their endorsement, because that helps make a nice disguise, but when it came right down do it – zero support. Zero respect and zero consideration.

    It’s about power, and if they can dupe you along the way, that is the “progressive” way and they don’t feel any remorse because to them – it’s your own fault for believing them in the first place.

    Richard Marks learned it the hard way, too. And it continues to this day. It’s the proggy way or the highway.

  140. March 7, 2011 at 4:39 pm

    Same with Gallegos, btw – all promises of securing civil service protection for the people who work for the DA’s Office – broken and ignored – and now 9 years later, STILL not one iota of action on that front, and STILL he goes to ask for their endorsement. The Proggy way. Say anything it takes, then do nothing.

  141. Anonymous
    March 7, 2011 at 4:52 pm

    I agree with Rose. Richard Marks should join the Republican Party. It’s a better fit for him.

  142. Simone
    March 7, 2011 at 6:39 pm

    Funny how no one mentions the tenured teacher who puts in the minimum hours required each day, teaches from the same plan they developed 10 years ago and does a lousy job educating/motivating our kids.

    The type that’ll use all the union tools at their disposal to milk every sick day (sick or not), every discretionary day (a day off with no reason necessary) and skip out the door as soon as possible.

    Can you get rid of them for doing a poor job? Can you replace them with someone with drive and a deep desire to educate our future? What might get in the way of doing such a thing that would be expected/demanded in the private sector? Their union.

    The union that absconds their mandatory union dues and lobbies legislators with it (whether they want to or not) so that this practice is protected, encouraged and perpetuated.

    Lets not all be so silly to think that all teachers are such suffering altruists. Teaching is a good job. Not all teachers do a good job.

  143. A-Nony-Mouse
    March 7, 2011 at 6:55 pm

    To return to a theme, NoNo Newman is the biggest embarrasment the council has seen since Jack Mc Kellar. Even old Jack was fun and occasionally listened. Newman has his ears surgically shut so he can ignore anything even remotely resembling a fact.
    Ever see him at his 3rd Ward appartment? Can you prove he lives there in isolation with no family, few friends, and not even a dog. Must be a deeply enriching lifestyle for old NoNo. Maybe that’s why he’s against everything.
    We shouldn’t even talk about Brady. She got so messed up tryinmg to talk about Jefferson School that many members of the audience were shouting “What the heck are you talking about?” We had no clue and neither does she.
    Boy are we lucky to have ’em?

  144. March 7, 2011 at 7:27 pm

    Arcata Theatre Lounge should start showing Eureka City Council meetings on the big screen as they do other pop culture events,full bar so invite Sundberg to be the MC and make a drinking game out of it.

  145. tra
    March 7, 2011 at 7:27 pm

    Simone,

    Such substandard, unmotivated, uncaring teachers do exist, but they are only a tiny minority. So the question is” Do we obsess about that tiny minority and try to design a whole new system to address that obsession, or do we focus on strengthening the proven system (including tenure and collective bargaining rights) that allows us to have so many competent, motivated, caring teachers adn make sure that system is not dismantled in the name of saving money or because of the obsession over the relatively few bad apples?

    Again, I doubt that it’s an accident that every one of the states that disallows collective bargaining for teachers rate among the lowest in the country for student performance.

  146. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    March 7, 2011 at 8:25 pm

    Plain Jane says:
    March 7, 2011 at 3:47 pm
    What will prevailing wage be if there aren’t any unions? That’s something the non-union construction workers should think about.

    Response: Self-employed are not unionized. Unionized are the too big too fail businesses that rip off society in various forms often using public tax dollars in some instances, using government exemptions, exceptions, offsets, better efficiencies when wanting too (compared to other applicants for projects), etc… to attain higher profits by throwing money at projects to make it more expensive so that it is harder to actually get close to the “real money value put into the development/project for which is lower, meaning less valuation = less taxes should be collected”.

    Additionally, higher wages create higher costs; so, costs should go down, but will they when greed is so bad right now. Anyhow, without a job, I’d rather have low costs and no money than high costs and no money. Ya’ll know who wins power in that get-up and it ain’t the common citizen.

    JL

  147. Random Guy
    March 7, 2011 at 8:31 pm

    smokemonster, ryan sundberg shouldn’t be denied his fifteen minutes of fame in any theater lounge’s broadcast of local snafu. Ryan Sundberg introduced himself to me by way of big yellow signs with his name on them all over every block of the town I live in…tagged up the area like a new mack. In the papers he introduced himself to me as the local good ol’ homeboy native, with a nuclear family of his own and a community to look after. So how does he feel about rezoning McKinleyville into apartment-ville? How is crowding the area serving the best interests of anybody in the area?

    Our supervisors shouldn’t escape scrutiny regarding their decisions about what’s being decided right now.

  148. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    March 7, 2011 at 8:31 pm

    E. Percival Ne’er-do-well Esquire III says:
    March 7, 2011 at 3:40 pm
    You are correct that the local trade unions are siding with the pro development crowd Erik. I think this is a serious mistake and will bite them in the ass. The pro development crowd is almost exclusively right wingers and will use anything they can (promising jobs, Humcpr, DINOS) to get their plants elected and once in office change everything to their benefit (aka the Eureka city council demanding a “citizen advisory board” for the general plan update). The local unions that backed these shills will be rewarded with jobs that go to non union contractors when these developers get their projects rubber stamped and continued efforts by the right to get rid of unions altogether.

    Response: I am not politically right or left; and, unions still are terrible for overall society. So what does that make me?

    JL

  149. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    March 7, 2011 at 8:37 pm

    THANK YOU SIMONE:-)

    Simone says:
    March 7, 2011 at 6:39 pm
    Funny how no one mentions the tenured teacher who puts in the minimum hours required each day, teaches from the same plan they developed 10 years ago and does a lousy job educating/motivating our kids.

    The type that’ll use all the union tools at their disposal to milk every sick day (sick or not), every discretionary day (a day off with no reason necessary) and skip out the door as soon as possible.

    Can you get rid of them for doing a poor job? Can you replace them with someone with drive and a deep desire to educate our future? What might get in the way of doing such a thing that would be expected/demanded in the private sector? Their union.

    The union that absconds their mandatory union dues and lobbies legislators with it (whether they want to or not) so that this practice is protected, encouraged and perpetuated.

    Lets not all be so silly to think that all teachers are such suffering altruists. Teaching is a good job. Not all teachers do a good job.

    JL

  150. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    March 7, 2011 at 8:42 pm

    Get Smart says:
    March 7, 2011 at 3:10 pm
    One thing that folks around the country (and globe) are figuring out is that “smart growth” or whatever you want to call it is actually good for jobs and good for the economy. Whether talking about new mixed-use developments, redevelopment or the subsequent revitalization of commercial districts, jobs are maintained (and are perhaps even more stable) through good planning and community design. Look at cities like Copenhagen, Denmark or Portland, Oregon – economically they are doing very well because people want to live there.

    Response: No “Smart Growth Plan” has ever been evidenced in Humboldt as being a success; so, all-of-a-sudden, most everything is incorrect (regarding Planning). As for economics, it is GROWTH, not Smart or poor, just GROWTH. This is a Pyramid scheme manipulation based on expanding populationes by way of birth or re-locations, that’s all.

    JL

  151. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    March 7, 2011 at 8:47 pm

    Anonymous says:
    March 7, 2011 at 2:25 pm
    Richard Marks sold out to the Humboldt County Republican apparatus. It’s kind of baffling as to why. Maybe he thought his Republican friends would pay him. Maybe they did.

    Richard started his transformation in 2006 and completely joined the other side in the most recent election cycle, when he supported local Republicans over Democrats. It is sad.

    Response: What is sad is that more people are realising a bit late their vicitmizations based on political sides. It should not be about sides, lest especially a 2-sided, open-ended box.

    JL

  152. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    March 7, 2011 at 8:57 pm

    Anonymous says:
    March 7, 2011 at 8:54 am
    Only in an impoverished area like Humboldt County do we villanize a middle class worker making $60,000 per year. It’s not that much money in today’s economy for someone with a degree and work experience. I can understand that a lot of people reading and writing this blog don’t have much money, but do you spend as much time focusing on people who make over 250,000 and then get generous tax breaks.

    Anyone who has taught full-time for any significant period knows that 7 hours per day, 5 days per week for 9 month are not the hours of a teacher. They get up before dark, prepare and grade, come home at night and grade and prepare. They do the same on weekends and they spend a lot of their summer preparing for the next year. If you are not absolutely ready to go on the first day the students will eat you alive.

    Sure, have a discussion about how to measure good teachers and how to ensure that the public is getting their 50-60K worth, but please do not take out your economic angst on teachers. Most of them (the good ones) work way too hard and provide too important of a service to society to be treated like this. Of course we could have them vow a life poverty, put them in robes and then (maybe) you’d be happy. And how, exactly, do the rest of you make your money?

    Response: How many of these sophisticated boob types with inked paper degrees own a home? How about still own a home?? How about personal debt due to poor spending habits??? No need to de-value those in society without inked paper degrees that never guarantee a job, ever. Often, on the job training (field experience) blows away institutional book educations by professors/teachers.

    Yep, I can see why certain people want more and more money by way of higher wages – poor spending habits create expenses that need to be paid.

    JL

  153. Eric Kirk
    March 7, 2011 at 9:16 pm

    One thing that folks around the country (and globe) are figuring out is that “smart growth” or whatever you want to call it is actually good for jobs and good for the economy. Whether talking about new mixed-use developments, redevelopment or the subsequent revitalization of commercial districts, jobs are maintained (and are perhaps even more stable) through good planning and community design. Look at cities like Copenhagen, Denmark or Portland, Oregon – economically they are doing very well because people want to live there.

    And ironically, unions are at their strongest in those cities as well.

    C’mon Eric, you’re just an apologist. Being short sighted, taking an immediate small gain while giving up larger future benefits, is the very definition of selling out.

    Since much of your wisdom comes by way of pop culture, its time for you to watch ‘On the Waterfront’. Compared to Marks, Brando looks like a genius.

    Actually, no. The very definition of selling out is to give up one’s integrity or principle for material gain.

    As to On the Waterfront, it was a great movie, but with a right wing message. It was Elia Kazan’s attempt to justify his snitching on his friends in his HUAC testimony.

    Arthur Miller responded with a different viewpoint in a play entitled “A View from the Bridge” which he presented to Kazan and said, “I want you to know what I think of snitches.” Kazan took his pro-HUAC and somewhat anti-union message and cashed in, while many of his friends languished under blacklists. There is your “exact definition of selling out.”

    When he was given a lifetime award at the Academy Awards in 1999 a number of the audience sat on their hands.

  154. Plain Jane
    March 7, 2011 at 9:36 pm

    My prevailing wage question was about how non-union employees in construction receive prevailing union wage on some contracts. That’s a lot of money they won’t be making. That’s a two-fer! Lower taxes because of less income and lower rates.

  155. Plain Jane
    March 7, 2011 at 9:36 pm

    Touche, Eric.

  156. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    March 7, 2011 at 9:54 pm

    If the Fascist gubbamint created an over-valuated public project which is a rip-off financially, the workers would be making too much to begin with, union or not, prevailing wage versus union wages or not. I have been there and understand the theft. Besides, forced wages upon labor IS increasing costs in society that does offset any wage increases – the boom-“I”-rang affect. Sometimes, people just need to know that the nice sounding retoric about higher wages comes with a caveat…… the “two-fer” is THAT one cancels out the other = no net gain, period; yet, it is ok that everything economic expands to unsustainable levels.

    JL

  157. Anonymous
    March 7, 2011 at 10:45 pm

    Ron Kuhnel cost Xandra Manns the 3rd Ward seat on the City Council, not the other way around. Kuhnel had his chance in 2006 for his precious one-on-one race and LOST.

  158. Anonymous
    March 8, 2011 at 1:11 am

    Hey Newman ! If you or your friends read this blog PLEASE shave that ugly shit off your face. It creeps everyone out.

  159. Anonymous
    March 8, 2011 at 1:13 am

    Not so Newman don’t forget to get those elocution lessons.

  160. High Finance
    March 8, 2011 at 12:09 pm

    “Not so Newman don’t forget to get those elocution lessons.”

    Maybe you should take those lessons also 1.13am. Maybe some english grammer lessons also ?

    LOL Thanks for the laugh of the day you idiot.

  161. Anonymous
    March 8, 2011 at 3:40 pm

    Newman had a campaign slogan claiming to be a NEW man. He is just another good ole boy. Nothing new about him.

  162. Plain Jane
    March 8, 2011 at 4:09 pm

    Nothing gets by HiFi, 3:40. It always smacks him right between the eyes.

  163. A-Nony-Mouse
    March 8, 2011 at 4:51 pm

    Not so Newman is a good description. I’ve been using NoNoNewman based on his great respect for what previous city councils have done.HA! Want an ironclad prediction? The Clowncil will manage to kill the Medical Marijuana Ordinance so painfully worked out by public, staff, and several council members. It represents what the people want so NoNoNewman MUST be against it. I’d almost make cash bets on it (sorry, don’t think they’re legal on the internet). But watch. It’ll be good theater seeing how NoNo finds excuses, slithering all around the issues.
    He thinks it makes sense to give it to the County (Myrtle Ave. or Humboldt Hill, maybe?) along with all the taxes. Way to create jobs, NoNo.

  164. High Finance
    March 8, 2011 at 5:32 pm

    See, Mouse shows how insults should be delivered. A little humor, a little creativity. “Clown Council”, “NoNoNewman” is much better than the drunk at 1.11am and the jerk SmokeMonster at 7.27pm.

    Of course, Mouse is dead wrong just like the others.

  165. March 8, 2011 at 7:51 pm

    “Never argue with a person who buys ink by the gallon.” Or in this case, “Never argue with a blogger who has 24 hours a day to blog.”

    Plain Jane: You win. I can’t keep watch 24 hours to check your anonymous stabs at me. But I will answer a few of your comments.

    I was a successful union organizer and was able to help thousands of workers all over the west coast actualize better wages and working conditions. I wouldn’t dare attack you for sticking up for union workers. That was not my intent. It was your other rants.

    “Richard can’t refute my points so he insults to shut me up. That might work with his wife,”……. For years I have been an active board member of the Humboldt Domestic Violence Services. My wife has too. What have you done for battered and abused women?

    “I should also point out that the Democrats Marks opposed this past election cycle are pro-labor while the Republicans he supported are anti-labor.” Really? Do you have a list? You don’t. I didn’t. Virginia-Democrat. Brady-Democrat. Jackson-Democrat. Brown-Newsome-Harris-Chesbro-Thompson…….I did not support any Republicans publically this last election cycle. You say a lie enough, you hope it is the truth.

    “When was the last time you worked to earn a day’s pay, Richard?” Wow. 34 years of union work does not give me any cred? Many of those years were over 3,000 hours. I work part time now.

    I am a life long Democrat. Moderate. Not too much tolerance for that here in Humboldt County.

    Plain Jane: You are an anonymous hater. Too bad. Now get off that computer and get a breath of fresh air.

  166. Plain Jane
    March 8, 2011 at 8:03 pm

    Still trying to boss me around, Richard. It’s obvious that you have a serious problem with strong, opinionated women. The people who insulted you got a pass, but you are fixated on me. Your “little man” complex is also very obvious.

  167. March 8, 2011 at 8:09 pm

    PJ-All those posts were you. At least come clean with that.

  168. Plain Jane
    March 8, 2011 at 8:11 pm

    They absolutely were not! I use Plain Jane. Heraldo can attest to that.

  169. Not Plain Jane; A real Democrat; Marks is not
    March 8, 2011 at 8:27 pm

    Heraldo can verify that not the anon posts you refer to, Richard, are not Plain Jane. I made two of them.

  170. March 8, 2011 at 8:28 pm

    LOL

  171. March 8, 2011 at 8:49 pm

    Plain Jane goes by Plain Jane. The anons responding to Richard were not PJ.

  172. Anonymous
    March 8, 2011 at 8:50 pm

    Richard, how is it going at the harbor commission?

  173. Not A Native
    March 8, 2011 at 8:56 pm

    Its not about the director Eric, the message of Brando is that staying loyal to corrupt masters is selling out, regardless of whether those corrupt masters are on the Right or Left.

    In Miller’s play, informing is a tactic of the prejudiced character, unlike Kazan’s where informing is a tactic to defy corruption.

    The plays aren’t about informing, they’re about the moral challenge of not selling out by standing up to unfairness. As the plays depict, informing can be moral or immoral depending on who the culpable party is. In both plays the corrupt party, informer or informed on, is ultimately vanquished in a violent confrontation.

    In fact, Miller collaborated with Kazan on the corrupt waterfront idea in an unproduced screenplay “The Hook”. Both plays are the result of their collaboration.

    In SoHum there’s a lot of fear and loathing and persecution of ‘snitches’, those who would turn in illegal growers who cause fire hazards, dewater creeks, pollute the environment, and sometimes assault intimidate, and kill others in disputes over the take. I’d say the hold of illegal growers over SoHum is not dissimilar to that of the corrupt union officials of ‘The Waterfront’. IMO, SoHum would beneift from more Brandos.

  174. Mike Buettner
    March 8, 2011 at 9:15 pm

    Lots of good discussion here. But this is so right on:

    “Hey Newman ! If you or your friends read this blog PLEASE shave that ugly shit off your face. It creeps everyone out.”

    And oh… Richard. I used to appreciate your perspective but really, just stick to softball.

  175. Anonymous
    March 8, 2011 at 11:08 pm

    High Finance are you saying that anyone that posts at 1:11am is a drunk? Are you speaking from your own experience as an alcoholic? Don’t get so tweaked about it when someone calls Not so Newman a clowncil member. And further more Newman looks like a wax figure that is melting under the camera lights. The least he could do for the constituents sake is to shave that shit off his face.

  176. March 9, 2011 at 8:29 am

    Thank you hi-fi,from you that is a compliment

  177. March 9, 2011 at 8:32 am

    How about some “SHAVE THAT SHIT MIKE” bumperstickers?

    Westside group might actually raise enough money with that idea.

  178. Big Al
    March 9, 2011 at 8:36 am

    mattress face mike

  179. Heidi
    March 9, 2011 at 8:38 am

    The Westside Community Improvement Association Takes a Run for the Purchase of the Jefferson Site. Come show your support, Wednesday 5 pm 3200 Waldford Avenue

    The Westside Community Improvement Association will present to the Eureka City School Board Wednesday Night before closed session at 5 pm and request the school board work with them to see the Community’s vision to restore common ground at the abandoned school site be realized.

    The self determination of the community is inspiring and overwhelming. We have been struck down so many times and literally the community comes back with pledges of financial support, offers of professional support, offers of good, services, prayers and mostly their un-yeilding desire to restore the commons on the Westside.

    Those that have followed the saga know that:

    1) The First blow came when the school district permanently closed the campus.

    2) Then, when the community college interrupted a purchase in progress between the school district and the Redevelopment Agency.

    3) Again at the 11th hour when the financial partner Northcoast Children’s Services backed out with no warning

    4) and Finally, when the newly seated city council reversed the decision of the previous unanimous vote to purchase the property with redevelopment funds.

    It has been a study in adaptability and resilience but the one thing that has not changed; in fact it continues to grow is the broad base of community support for this project. It used to be a Westside thing, but now we get calls and pledges from Trinidad, Southern Humboldt, even one from Washington DC.

    Some excerpts from some recent emails are:
    (Sunday March 6th)

    “The Westside Community Improvement Association has been working with a gentleman from Davis who has extensive experience building community owned cooperative projects. He is advising us and believes this is a splendid opportunity for the community to step up and secure this property for themselves. We are proposing a simple co-operative structure, “The Jefferson Community Co-Op”, this is the opportunity for the community to actually own this project and the mechanism to raise the funds to purchase the property”

    (Tuesday March 8th)
    “Friends Neighbors and Community Partners, We are calling for your support. We need to pack the School Board chambers tomorrow (Wednesday March 9th) evening. People do not need to speak, but they need to be there. If there is any way you can come, and bring other interested community members, to stand in solidarity in support of the Community Purchase of Jefferson School at 5pm at 3200 Walford Avenue (behind the Safeway up by Cutten) Eureka.

    A few of us will present a clear message tomorrow night before closed session:
    – That We Will be able to Purchase the Jefferson Property
    – That we intend to develop a Community Garden, a Park and a Multi Use Community Center at that site and
    – That the self determination of the community to take responsibility for this project and provide for its own needs is evident in the unyielding outpouring of support.

    What we need is back up in the audience. We need to show the community support that has been so inspiring and unyielding, please bring community members that you know are in support of the project, I know it is short notice, And let them know they don’t need to speak, just stand behind as members of the community” There will be 2 items, closed session comments at 5, and then a vote to adopt Resolution #10-11-032, Intention to Sell Real Property and Publication of Notice Thereof – Jefferson School Site” on the 7 pm open session Agenda.” Come for whatever part you can, but come show your support.

    From the rumblings of the emails, it seems the Westside Community Improvement Association and the restless citizens of Eureka, are as determined as ever to see this project succeed. Come show your support.Wednesday Night 5 pm (and or 7 pm) 3200 Waldford Avenue.

    Thank you to the community for your ongoing support of this grassroots effort.
    Heidi Benzonelli WCIA

  180. Anonymouse
    March 9, 2011 at 9:49 am

    Money talks and bullshit walks. All anybody has seen so far is your bullshit WCIA.

  181. March 9, 2011 at 10:24 am

    Thanks for that insight, HiFi.

  182. Anonymous
    March 9, 2011 at 11:46 am

    Clowncilman Newman shave that ugly shit off your face-PLEASE

  183. Anonymous
    March 9, 2011 at 12:02 pm

    How about a brown bag for clowncilman Not so Newmans head. We won’t have to look at him but it doesn’t solve that other problem of those incoherent sounds coming from his mouth. Bumper stickers are a great idea!

  184. High Finance
    March 9, 2011 at 12:35 pm

    Why aren’t you in school ? Is it the lunch hour ?

    Just asking, because you post like someone around the age of 14.

  185. Eric Kirk
    March 9, 2011 at 3:54 pm

    NAN – From Wikipedia, which is pretty much the account Victor Navasky wrote in Naming Names.

    The film is widely considered to be Kazan’s answer to those that criticized him for his identifying eight (former) Communists in the film industry before the House Committee on Un-American Activities (HUAC) in 1952. Kazan’s critics included his friend and collaborator, the renowned playwright Arthur Miller, who had written the original screenplay (titled The Hook) for the film that would evolve into On the Waterfront. Miller was replaced by Budd Schulberg, also a witness before HUAC.[1]

    On the Waterfront, being about a heroic mob informer, showed that there could be nobility in a man who “named names”. In the movie, variations of that phrase are repeatedly used by Terry Malloy. The film also repeatedly emphasizes the waterfront’s code of “D and D” (“Deaf and Dumb”), remaining silent at all costs and not “ratting out” one’s friends. In the end, Malloy does just that and his doing so is depicted sympathetically. Miller’s response to the film’s message is contained in his own play, A View from the Bridge, which presents a contrary view of those who inform on others.

    Brando just acted in it. He had no hand in the content. There is a very detailed story about the differences in the script between Miller and Schulberg. I read it in college, but I understand that Navasky has since updated the work.

    As I said, in terms of writing, directing, creativity – OTWF is brilliant. But make no mistake, it was an attempted justification for Kazan’s (and Schulberg’s) sellout at HUAC.

  186. PLUTO
    March 9, 2011 at 5:03 pm

    Newman Should shave. He looks ridiculous or scary. Not sure which one is worse.

  187. Mustache XXX
    March 9, 2011 at 10:32 pm

    The photo on the top of this post does not show how ugly the mustache looks. When he is on the the television or in person it looks like he has two petrified snakes that rotted and then were chewed by mice.

  188. HiFi:Pitifu lWaste Of Resources
    March 10, 2011 at 2:13 am

    On 3/8 HiFinance posts:
    “LOL Thanks for the laugh of the day you idiot.”

    On 3/8 HiFinance posts:
    “Clown Council”, “NoNoNewman” is much better than the drunk at 1.11am and the jerk SmokeMonster at 7.27pm.”

    On 3/6, Heraldo posted:
    “HiFi needs a babysitter.”

    This last would be a good start as long as the babysitter was given durable power of attorney and a Nurse Practitioner or Clinical Pyschiatrist monitored his meds and recreational substance ingestions daily.

    His obvious abuse of verbal diuretics coupled with his chronic mental constipation and emotional fagility makes him a perfect example of the need for society to institute retroactive abortions.

    On 3/8 Hifuinance posts:
    “Why aren’t you in school ? Is it the lunch hour ?

    Just asking, because you post like someone around the age of 14.”

    Obvious symptoms of a severe social adjustment disorder are clearly evident by projecting feelings of inadequacy on others along with alternating delusions of granduer. This indicates a SEVERE case of arrested development.

  189. High Finance
    March 10, 2011 at 10:54 am

    You’re much more articulate when you’re sober 2.13am.

    You should try it more often.

  190. Anonymous
    March 10, 2011 at 12:50 pm

    Best assessment of High Finance I have seen 2:13

  191. HIFi:Pitiful Waste Of Resources
    March 10, 2011 at 1:53 pm

    Thank you for you input,Anonymous,12:50.

    It is only a brief typed during a quiet moment while on call.

    It is obvious by HIFi’s chronic accusations of other’s use of drugs and alcohol that he’s in the throws of deep denial of addiction or possibly what substance abuse counselors commonly refer to as a “dry drunk”.
    I don’t consume the white man’s poison of dead yeast cells.
    It is tragic to see the aberant behavior,wreckage and ruin that it does to people such as in his case.

  192. Anonymous
    March 10, 2011 at 1:58 pm

    Well said 1:53

  193. mustache XXX
    March 10, 2011 at 3:13 pm

    Shave that ugly shit off your face.

  194. High Finance
    March 10, 2011 at 5:41 pm

    The children, being forced off the Times Standard blog, have arrived here.

  195. Anonymous
    March 10, 2011 at 6:20 pm

    I see your mommy has let you out of your room. I bet she doesn’t know that you are using her computer.

  196. mustache XXX
    March 10, 2011 at 6:26 pm

    Hi Fi you do not have a lot of talking room when it comes to behaving like a child.

  197. High Finance
    March 11, 2011 at 12:42 pm

    Go away kids, the grownups are talking.

  198. Sam Spade
    March 11, 2011 at 1:00 pm

    See what I mean No Class Finance, an authentic financial expert wouldn´t spat with ¨kids¨ but you´re low hanging fruit my boy. They pull your string and listen to you cluck. It´s been a tough day for all of us, don´t cluck it up.

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