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Naval blasts linked to dolphin deaths

Naval training exercises such as those protested by Humboldt and Mendocino County residents are killing dolphins off the Southern California coast.

A spokesman said the Navy has an “excellent track record” when it comes to training, and the exercises will continue.

The dead dolphins were unable to comment on the Navy’s alleged excellency.

Full story.

  1. March 27, 2011 at 12:13 am

    The tests average only 311 days a year with more than one detonation per average day. Dolphins get some weekends off and they don’t even have a union. If dolphins did have a union I am sure that the tea party would be working on taking that away with the help of Rick Scott in Wisconsin. The dolphins should just be happy that they have jobs as dolphins. That could be outsourced.

  2. March 27, 2011 at 12:19 am

    And then there is Raytheon and their new ELF system to communicate with submarines.

    http://uk.reuters.com/article/2011/03/23/idUKN2328630920110323

  3. March 27, 2011 at 12:27 am

    The story doesn’t says so but the system would seem to be HARRP.
    http://www.alaska.net/~logjam/HAARP.html

  4. SNaFU
    March 27, 2011 at 12:59 am

    The Navy (on a larger scale) is like harvesting craw fish using M-80’s.
    Does Flipper really taste the same as Charley?

  5. BonitAApplebum
    March 27, 2011 at 7:25 am

    I’m sure this is something that all you environmentalists like Tom Sebourn think is just terrible and the end of the world. If this was really a problem, wouldn’t there be a bunch of dolphins washing up on the shore? But, of course, that isn’t happening. The ocean is a big place and a few blasts aren’t going to kill all the dolphins. And even if a bunch of dolphins did die, I will take the trade off. Our military protects us from harm and creates jobs for young men in our country. If it means a couple of dolphins have to die to keep terrorists out of the country, then so be it. What do you people want, a perfect world where there are no broken eggs and just tasty omelets?

  6. Plain Jane
    March 27, 2011 at 7:43 am

    If this is just training, do they REALLY have to explode? With today’s technology, it seems they could figure out a way for the devices to electronically signal they were set (installed whatever) correctly. I know more about boys than I do military training and know how much like like a big bang, but its immoral to kill highly intelligent animals if there are other options, and I just don’t believe there aren’t.

  7. Anonymush
    March 27, 2011 at 7:47 am

    Mmmm. Omelets. I love omelets.

    I do wish the Navy would build little earplugs for the dolphins and set them out at strategic locations. America has so much know-how and can-do. Did you know we created the internet?

    Or we could at least build the dolphins hearing aids, if earplugs are impractical.

    But when I think about it just a little bit I ask myself this simple question. If the dolphins are as smart as “scientists” say, why don’t they just solve their hearing problem themselves? Why is America always expected to solve everyone else’s problems?

  8. Walt
    March 27, 2011 at 7:54 am

    Hell, if we don’t kill there, they’ll just follow us home. Since we know they’re smarter than us, they’ll take our cars, our homes and our women and convert ’em to muslims. . .or fish!

  9. High Finance
    March 27, 2011 at 8:01 am

    I better not tell Tom about all the little fishies I killed the last time we went fishing !

  10. Plain Jane
    March 27, 2011 at 8:03 am

    Dolphins aren’t fish.

  11. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    March 27, 2011 at 8:50 am

    BonitAApplebum says:
    March 27, 2011 at 7:25 am
    I’m sure this is something that all you environmentalists like Tom Sebourn think is just terrible and the end of the world. If this was really a problem, wouldn’t there be a bunch of dolphins washing up on the shore? But, of course, that isn’t happening. The ocean is a big place and a few blasts aren’t going to kill all the dolphins. And even if a bunch of dolphins did die, I will take the trade off. Our military protects us from harm and creates jobs for young men in our country. If it means a couple of dolphins have to die to keep terrorists out of the country, then so be it. What do you people want, a perfect world where there are no broken eggs and just tasty omelets?

    Response: No wonder so many moms and dad cry over egg omelets.

    Jeffrey Lytle
    McKinleyville – 5th District

  12. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    March 27, 2011 at 8:52 am

    Why does America cause problems unto itself?

    JL

  13. "HENCHMAN OF JUSTICE"
    March 27, 2011 at 8:57 am

    Glen Stockwell once told the class after a surfing outing prior to class that dolphins used to swim inside the spit/bay, but since the pulp mills toxic effluent pushed dolphins away years ago, let us see if we get dolphins over union workers back.

    JL

  14. Anonymush
    March 27, 2011 at 9:30 am

    Show me a dolphin who makes as much money as High Finance, and then I’ll worry about them. Until then, it’s just class envy and bad attitude.

  15. Goldie
    March 27, 2011 at 9:46 am

    The homo-centric view that humans, especially the lighter skinned humans, are the only species to be considered is problematic. What scientist have barely been able to explain, what poets, children and simple folks know is ever so simply told, too simply to be heard during the time of pavement. Our existence here is a gift. We travel on this blue jewel through space. It is wondrously woven with life forms supporting each other and the balance of our continued existence.
    What is being done, Navy testing in areas of whale migration and dolphin nurseries is wrong.
    How foolish to say ‘there were no dolphins in view when the training countdown began, and when they could be seen it was too late to stop safely.’ Dolphins and whales in view? They hardly ever are. They don’t fly above the water. They live within.
    When our life supporting seas are dead, when our air is no longer life sustaining, when our weather disrupts our ability to feed our too many young and humans cover the planet like an infestation,will we say… oh, a mistake has been made but now it is too late to stop?
    Someday we will run out of people to war with, resources to steal, and people to argue with. Homo-centric momentum only works for a limited amount of time.

  16. Plain Jane
    March 27, 2011 at 9:50 am

    Yeah, Goldie. Too bad the Navy doesn’t have equipment that can spot large mammals at a distance under water. Oh…..

  17. Mark Sailors
    March 27, 2011 at 9:51 am

    I really hate to say this, but it is the military that really runs our country. The “don’t ask don’t tell ” law was passed, and approved by the President, but it wont go into effect until the Military says its ok. Look around the world now and you can see that if the military is with t=you you can overthrow the government(Egypt) and if the Military is with the powers that be there can and will be “crimes against humanity” (Libya).

    The point being, that the military is going to do what ever the military wants to do ( think recruiters in our high schools).

  18. Mark Sailors
    March 27, 2011 at 9:52 am

    PS
    Sorry for the typos, I need way more coffee this morning…..!?

  19. Mitch
    March 27, 2011 at 9:57 am

    The problem with the country today is not “Don’t Ask Don’t Tell.” It’s “Dont Think, Don’t Speak.”

  20. robash141
    March 27, 2011 at 10:05 am

    They are killing the Dolphins over here,so that they don’t have to kill them over there.

  21. anonymous
    March 27, 2011 at 10:42 am

    Hidden in BonitAApplebum’s arrogant perspective is “creates jobs for young men in our country”. What kind of civil society depends on the military for jobs? To learn how militarized all of American society is read The Complex by Nick Turse.

  22. Bombs Away!
    March 27, 2011 at 10:48 am

    BonitAApplebum, I hear the Airforce is planning to test its bombs by dropping them in certain neighborhoods. Your house is their first target. But don’t worry, it probably won’t kill all your neighbors. And even if a bunch of your family did die, I will take the trade off.

  23. Plain Jane
    March 27, 2011 at 10:54 am

    An unpublicized aim for the neocons is that the US be a service society: soldiers serving globally to protect corporate interests, McCorp domestic low pay service jobs, and McGlobal slave wage manufacturing with a tiny “middle class” of managers.

    I saw in the news this morning that Issa has proposed legislation to force a cut in the minimum wage in states with higher than federal minimum wage by allowing companies to deduct the amount that they pay for health insurance from employees wages down to federal level.

  24. 4 Being Real
    March 27, 2011 at 11:19 am

    It is always the morons who get off reading their own writing. One big circle jerk! I am glad that insensitive fucked up comments will never be heard by credible media.

  25. March 27, 2011 at 12:19 pm

    “The problem with the country today is not “Don’t Ask Don’t Tell.” It’s “ Don’t Think, Don’t Speak.”
    Mitch you get my vote for the “Best of the Herald.” If only there were such a thing.

  26. Goldie
    March 27, 2011 at 12:44 pm

    I found this comment under the Times-standard…”when you have citizens that dont stand up for themselves and get their lunch money taken what can you do?”
    There is much cultural posturing in place to discourage the voice of the citizen: carefully designed confusing and conflicting reporting, mocking, and bullying. ” Don’t think. Don’t speak” (if you know what is good for you)
    I second it.. Give Mitch the Best of Heraldo. Such encouragement could be awarded often. :)

  27. BonitAApplebum
    March 27, 2011 at 1:02 pm

    The last time I checked, dolphins do nothing for our economy besides serving as a filler meat for canned tuna. We have collectively decided as a society that economic growth and the advancement of technology are the prime pursuits. We have also decided as a society that human beings are atop a hierarchical chain of being, which implies human mastery of and ownership of all lower beings. Therefore, it only stands to reason that American militarism will always win out over dolphin safety. What world are you people living in? I’m not trying to be mean or unpleasant, I’m just telling it the way it is. If you don’t like the way it is, don’t get mad at me, do something to change the way it is. If you are not actively resisting our social structure then you are implicitly endorsing it; thus your anger at me based in your internalized anger at your own shortcomings and fear to change or resist the system.

  28. Rainbow Brigade
    March 27, 2011 at 1:29 pm

    The Navy is not really out to kill dolphins, It’s out to prevent Russian and Chinese submarines from get close enough to launch an indefensible attack on America. All the commies are waiting for is more namby pamby liberal faggots to undermine the US military and then thy will launch an attack.

  29. retired guy
    March 27, 2011 at 1:49 pm

    We spend more on the military than all other nations combined. Remember the warning from Eisenhower, “beware of the military-industrial complex”. This was over 50 years ago. Soooo….

  30. BonitAApplebum
    March 27, 2011 at 2:01 pm

    Rainbow Brigade is right on. If enough environmentalists cry about the dolphins it will open the door for attack by the Chinese or Russians. It really makes you think that we should reopen Manzanar and put away all these damn environmentalists and pinko liberals who would rather see our country fall to Chinese rule than have a few dolphins get hurt. Hey environmentalists, go back to smoking your dope and wasting time while the rest of us work for a living and try to protect America.

  31. Goldie
    March 27, 2011 at 2:09 pm

    Being safe, surviving within our culture and standard of living requires being able to feed ourselves as well are protect ourselves from those who might wish harm to American citizens. When an enemy seeks to weaken a country a ploy often used is to cut off their food supply. The sea provides us and much of the world with food. When we mess with it we further interrupt it’s ability to keep our standard of living going.
    We have to be careful to look after the land in what is called a sustainable manner because we need and hope to be sustained.

  32. Bombs Away!
    March 27, 2011 at 2:09 pm

    BonitAApplebum says “If you are not actively resisting our social structure then you are implicitly endorsing it thus your anger at me based in your internalized anger at your own shortcomings and fear to change or resist the system.”

    There has been resistance to the system. The problem is, we have little to no influence over what our military/government does. Corporations are ruling this country. It is because we have no real avenue to change our government that you can say something this:

    “We have collectively decided as a society that economic growth and the advancement of technology are the prime pursuits”, when, in fact, society (citizens) do not have the power to decide what actions the military takes. We live in a military state.

    What would you do about this, Bonit?

  33. Plain Jane
    March 27, 2011 at 2:10 pm

    Rainbow and Bonit are such great parodies of ignorant red necks that I can’t believe they aren’t being sarcastic.

  34. Bombs Away!
    March 27, 2011 at 2:15 pm

    Rainbow, are you really Rumpelstiltskin? Been asleep for a long time? Not up to speed on current affairs, are you?

  35. anonymous
    March 27, 2011 at 2:16 pm

    Good grief! Some people are still living in the cold war era! The rest of the world is afraid of the USA as the leading warmonger and you’re afraid of the Chinese or Russians?

  36. Anonymous
    March 27, 2011 at 2:26 pm

    The Navy is small potatos. What about NOAA killing that blue whale in Fort Bragg?
    http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20091026/ARTICLES/910269915&tc=ix

  37. BonitAApplebum
    March 27, 2011 at 2:29 pm

    Bombs Away says: “There has been resistance to the system. The problem is, we have little to no influence over what our military/government does. Corporations are ruling this country. It is because we have no real avenue to change our government that you can say something this.”

    Then the resistance can be characterized as futile and lacking in either desire, forethought, or execution. We have little to no influence over our military/government because we have decided it should be this way. If collectively as a nation we really wanted change, then we would go out and achieve it. Obviously, we don’t really want it.

    Plain Jane: You sound like a bleeding heart liberal-environmentalist-touchy feely-treehugging-mate drinking-hula hooping-dope smoking-abortion loving-vegetarian-communist-socialist-pinko-maoist-darwinist-presbyterian who is too smart for her own good!

  38. What Now
    March 27, 2011 at 3:08 pm

    “Anonymush says:
    March 27, 2011 at 9:30 am
    Show me a dolphin who makes as much money as High Finance, and then I’ll worry about them. Until then, it’s just class envy and bad attitude.”

    Excellent observation.
    This needs to be in “Best Of Heraldo”!

    ******************************************************

    BonitaASSbaum’s posts are the essence of what is wrong with this country;
    ALL quality is ONLY quality if it can be quantified in monetary terms.
    The ever expanding market (in spite of acknowledging we live on a finite planet.)
    Expansion and growth at the expense of all other variables is the philosophy of the cancer cell-to the point of killing it’s own host by consuming it directly or causing it to drown in the waste by- products of it’s own defense (immune) system.

  39. Plain Jane
    March 27, 2011 at 3:21 pm

    The Presbyterian was going too far, Bonnit.

  40. Mitch
    March 27, 2011 at 4:31 pm

    It’s a bit remarkable that anybody in Heraldo’s tribe would think it a worthy quest to argue with BonitAApplebum. Ms. Applebum, has my nomination for Best of Heraldo:


    “If collectively as a nation we really wanted change, then we would go out and achieve it. Obviously, we don’t really want it.”

    I assume the more excitable of Heraldo’s audience are being twitted but, either way, Applebum — or should we call you Bonita — has cut to the core.

  41. March 27, 2011 at 6:00 pm

    BonitAApplebum should know a lot about dolphins, what with all the trolling and such.

  42. Bombs Away!
    March 27, 2011 at 6:20 pm

    “Then the resistance can be characterized as futile and lacking in either desire, forethought, or execution”

    .—-I’m with you Bonit—

    After considerable thought, I desire to execute the Revolution NOW!

    —You with me?—

  43. Farmer
    March 27, 2011 at 6:58 pm

    BonitAApplebaum is not for real, for those who haven’t realized by now. We have enough trolls online, try humor.

  44. March 28, 2011 at 8:50 am

    nothing like getting personal to divert from the topic under discussion. Classic diversionary tactic!!!!

  45. US Patriot
    March 28, 2011 at 11:06 am

    Can you do us a favor and just shut the fuck up Charles Douglas? Please crawl under a rock and leave us free of your twisted thinking.

    BonitAApplebum says:
    March 27, 2011 at 1:02 pm
    The last time I checked, dolphins do nothing for our economy besides serving as a filler meat for canned tuna. We have collectively decided as a society that economic growth and the advancement of technology are the prime pursuits. We have also decided as a society that human beings are atop a hierarchical chain of being, which implies human mastery of and ownership of all lower beings. Therefore, it only stands to reason that American militarism will always win out over dolphin safety. What world are you people living in? I’m not trying to be mean or unpleasant, I’m just telling it the way it is. If you don’t like the way it is, don’t get mad at me, do something to change the way it is. If you are not actively resisting our social structure then you are implicitly endorsing it; thus your anger at me based in your internalized anger at your own shortcomings and fear to change or resist the system.

  46. Mitch
    March 28, 2011 at 11:12 am

    I’m not terribly hopeful, but perhaps this will put an end to this line of argument:

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